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Speaker 2: And that's the thing. You got to make Chris Dunn

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Speaker 2: it looked like the Nuggets were gonna get out there

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Speaker 2: you don't want to you don't want to just blow

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Speaker 2: it was the ball pressure. They just up their overall

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Speaker 2: then it was just but then it'd be like stop bucket, stop, bucket,

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Speaker 2: impossible to overstate how important that win is for Denver.

433
00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 2: They don't play again until Tuesday. This is a team

434
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 2: that is beat up. Michael Porter Junior is in rough shape.

435
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 2: He's he's been dealing with some issue with his feet,

436
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 2: he's been dealing with an issue with his shoulder.

437
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon.

438
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 2: Told an NBA reporter that he can barely jump right now.

439
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: Like they're beat up. They need to go home.

440
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: And sleep in their own beds, and they need a

441
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 2: couple of nights to relax. They need to get their

442
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,120
Speaker 2: legs back underneath them. And so for them to pull

443
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 2: that game out and to because they were losing by one,

444
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 2: that could have been an absolute catastrophe heading home down

445
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: three to one. Is this could have been like it

446
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 2: felt like the entire series was hanging in the balance

447
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 2: there and now now the Nuggets get to go home,

448
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 2: get a little bit of rest, home court advantage the

449
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 2: rest of the series. They just have to win two

450
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 2: out of three, much much stronger position for Denver to

451
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 2: be in after that incredibly insane finished, another clutch win

452
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: for Denver two shouldn't have been clutch, should have been

453
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 2: more of a comfortable win. But I still trust Joks

454
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 2: more than I trust and James Harden in a close

455
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: game late. I didn't like some of the shots that

456
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 2: Kawhi got late in the game. He took a he

457
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: had Jamal Murray on a right wing ISO late where

458
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 2: I thought he could have worked more towards the elbow

459
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 2: to try to get like a right shoulder or left

460
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: shoulder fade away that's more of like a fifty percent

461
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 2: shot for Kawhi. He ended up taking a pretty tough

462
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 2: off the dribble three that I didn't particularly like, like

463
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 2: the in crunch time. I do trust Jokic more obviously

464
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 2: game two, notwithstanding when they ended up making their mistakes.

465
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 2: But it's just a reminder that these series are decided

466
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: by the tiniest of margins. That game could have literally

467
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: gone either way, and now now the Denver's in a

468
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: much much more commanding position they lose that game, Clippers

469
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: are going to win the series. Denver wins that game,

470
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: now it feels much closer to that fifty to fifty

471
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: kind of spot that we were in after Game one,

472
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Speaker 2: and that's kind of where I feel at this point.

473
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: I'm still feeling like this series is very much a

474
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: coin flip. But LA had a chance to close it

475
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: there and it just couldn't close the deal. Some clip

476
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: notes James Harden's overall level of intensity and focus was

477
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: just off for the first three quarters. Didn't really bring

478
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 2: aggressiveness or decisiveness and pick and roll until the fourth quarter,

479
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: which I thought hurt the team. His off ball defense

480
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 2: has been bad all series, but it was especially bad Tonight.

481
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 2: Made several mistakes during Denver's third quarter run. I talked

482
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 2: about Kawhi needing to be able to operate a little

483
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 2: bit closer to the rim towards the end of games.

484
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: This is it almost feels to me watching that Kawhi

485
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 2: is a little afraid at double teams at the end,

486
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: and he knows that if he works into the mid

487
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 2: to short range, he knows he's going to get attacked

488
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: and he's going to have to use his passing ability,

489
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: And it almost I've seen this dating back even to

490
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 2: the Warriors game on Sunday right before the play in tournament. Like,

491
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 2: Kawhi is seems to be more comfortable at the end

492
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: of games, settling for further jump shots to try to

493
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 2: avoid double teams, and he just needs to embrace that.

494
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: He needs to embrace set it up ty Lou needs

495
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: to set up the spacing a certain way that makes

496
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: Kawhi's passing reads easy so that he doesn't have to

497
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 2: stress about it, but needs to operate closer to the

498
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: basket at the end of games and the hard and

499
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: pick and roll is still their best action. It just

500
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 2: depends on James Harden bring in the necessary pop and

501
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: as we know, James Harden is known for having that

502
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: type of game like, oh, massively important a game, opportunity

503
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: to take complete and total control of the series, and

504
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: James Harden just half asleep for three quarters of the game,

505
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: which we've seen over the years, like the like it

506
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: you know there, we go to that back to that

507
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,239
Speaker 2: Spur series and there's the concussion that people point to,

508
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: but there are just so many different examples throughout his career.

509
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: We're like massive important game and just the energy and

510
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: competitiveness isn't there the way that it needs to be.

511
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 2: And that's one of the main reasons why, like, you know,

512
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: this Clippers team, they're very very good. I ended up

513
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: putting them fifth in my contender rankings before the postseason started,

514
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: but I had them below that top tier. And the

515
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: main reason why is just there there's the aggregate playmaking

516
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: talent piece that I've talked about a lot, but there's

517
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: just so many wild cards. It's like, are you going

518
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: to get a focused, intense, hardened are you gonna get

519
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 2: kind of like a sleepy Harden? Right, Like Kawhi has

520
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: even had an up and down nature to his game

521
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: over the course of the tail end of the season.

522
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: It just I don't feel like I can count on

523
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: the Clippers to be the best version of themselves night tonight,

524
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: and I don't think they have enough margin for error

525
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: to make up for that sort of thing, which just

526
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: kept me just a little bit lower on the Clippers

527
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: than many of my peers that cover the league. Are

528
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: all right, let's bring Jackson up here and let's take

529
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 2: some questions.

530
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

531
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

532
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 4: We got a lot of questions about you know this

533
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 4: Warriors Rockets game. Naturally, first question, you said Steph's this

534
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 4: was written wrong.

535
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: Sorry.

536
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 4: STEP's Game one performance was one of his better playoff

537
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 4: games because of what he was facing in the supporting cast.

538
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 4: How does today's game.

539
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: Compare the Steph didn't have as crazy of a shot

540
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 2: making game tonight. I didn't think in terms of like

541
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: that that Game one he hit four or five of

542
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: some of the you know, top tier tough shots that

543
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: he's hit in his career. Also, that Game one feel

544
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 2: too like you never know what you're gonna get in

545
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 2: terms of the defensive level of intensity, what the whistle

546
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: is going to be like. I don't think it quite

547
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: rises to Game one, but I did think that that

548
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 2: was a classic and fantastic Steph Curry performance.

549
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: Percent next question that we're getting a lot of from

550
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 4: this game is is this.

551
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 5: The end of the Jonathan Kaminga experiment.

552
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 4: If it's not the end, what are your not If

553
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 4: not the true true end, you know, what are your

554
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 4: thoughts on Kaminga sort of generally on.

555
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 5: The team as well as specifically in the rest of

556
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 5: this series.

557
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 2: Well, Tonight was the latest example in a very very

558
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: long line of examples that Jonathan Kaminga has some potential

559
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: as a one on one player, but in dead serious

560
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: basketball games, he's not good enough at it to be

561
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 2: able to really give him a lot of leeway to

562
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: try to drive that part of his game, and you know,

563
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 2: in the big picture, it's tough because there are the

564
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: realities of Jonathan Kaminga being at a point in his

565
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: career where a franchise needs to invest than him, and

566
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: it's just tough to make that sort of decision when

567
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: the development at this point at his age hasn't really

568
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: come to fruition. And again, on this team, you can

569
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: crack into the rotation earlier and more solidly as a

570
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: reliable read and react player who also plays defense soundly

571
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: both on the ball and off the ball. Then you

572
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: can crack into this rotation as an on ball player.

573
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: If you're going to crack into this rotation as an

574
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: on ball player, you got to be really, really efficient

575
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 2: because you're not going to run a lot of on

576
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: ball sequences alongside Steph Curry. Alongside Steph Curry, the majority

577
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: of the work you do is going to be operating

578
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: in his ecosystem. And so Jimmy Butler has shown a

579
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: wonderful ability to kind of shape shift between connective attacker, playmaker,

580
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: rim pressure guy, but also be able to command a

581
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: unit for these very short stretches, like here's a three

582
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: minute stretch where we're going to give you the ball

583
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: a bunch of times. But right now, Jonathan Kaminge is

584
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: just not good enough at it to be able to

585
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: justify that kind of role on a dead series team.

586
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: And so here's the thing. He might be twenty six

587
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 2: before he's ready for that role. So if he's twenty

588
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: six before he's ready for that role, there are some

589
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: realities about him being effectively useless on this team relative

590
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: to what he could be somewhere else. And so I've

591
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: been saying this since the trade deadline, this is he

592
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: just needs to be it's in the best interest for

593
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: all parties involved to send him somewhere else this summer.

594
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.

595
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like there was a period of

596
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 4: a year or two there where it felt like maybe

597
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 4: Steph Curry didn't have the championship ceiling that we thought

598
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 4: he might have run out of that from a gas

599
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 4: at an age standpoint, and it was like, well, maybe.

600
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Speaker 1: We need to keep him in around.

601
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 4: But now that it feels pretty clear that at least

602
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 4: for another year or two years or three years, but

603
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 4: at least another year or two, Steph Curry is capable

604
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 4: of being the best player on the championship team. You

605
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 4: gotta what's the point on Jonathan Kiming on this roster.

606
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: There was a bunch of buzz last year in the

607
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: middle of the season before the trade deadline, where some

608
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: Warriors fans would say things to me like like, well,

609
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: you know, the Clippers traded away Shake kildor Alexander and

610
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: look like I I Jackson and I were talking last night.

611
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: We find I find the Jalen green John, the Kaminga

612
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: type of athlete to be tantalizing in a lot of

613
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: ways because of just how physical these games get and

614
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: the ability to get to your spots is a real

615
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: asset in in super physical basketball. But at the same time,

616
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: like we can also admit even though Kaminga has potential,

617
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: like I think he has potential to enter into that

618
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: like somewhere between the twenty fifth to thirty fifth best

619
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: player in the league by the time he's in his

620
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: late twenties. I really do think he has that potential,

621
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: like a guy who could like make an All Star

622
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: team one day, maybe one you know what I mean.

623
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: Here's what he's not Shake Kills with Alexander. So like

624
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: let's just let's take that and set it aside. You're

625
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: not giving away the future here. So even to your point, Jackson,

626
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: I talked about this at the time, like like I'm sorry,

627
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: but like I like, I like a lot of these

628
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: young players Pajemski and Kaminga and Moody are not competing

629
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: in the Western conferen It's that that team's not good enough.

630
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: You're you are going to rebuild when this is all

631
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: said and done, except that reality and act accordingly.

632
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 4: Next question, If Jimmy is a fifty to fifty call

633
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: by Monday, which you know, the reporting tonight was that

634
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 4: he had a lot more swelling than maybe they expected.

635
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 4: He was struggling to move, which is why it wasn't

636
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 4: just a pain tolerance thing going against tonight. If he's

637
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 4: a fifty to fifty call on Monday, the tonight's result

638
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 4: impact Golden State's decision to play him next game? Well,

639
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 4: should they're this result impact it?

640
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: I think that if Jimmy's in a position where he

641
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: genuinely feels like another couple of days off could be

642
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: very good for his Actually, Jackson, can you do me

643
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: a favor while I'm saying this and just look up

644
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: how many days are off? I think they play Monday night, right,

645
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: so they.

646
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 4: Get one day play Monday after they play wednes so

647
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 4: they do go every other day for the rest of

648
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 4: the series, going every other Yeah, they're playing Wednesday back

649
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: in Houston.

650
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so that is a pretty quick turnaround.

651
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Speaker 2: But like, if you could somehow get away with sitting

652
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: him on Monday, you give him an additional all day Sunday,

653
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: all day Monday, all day Tuesday, most of the day

654
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: Wednesday to rest before he.

655
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Speaker 1: Has to play again.

656
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: And in theory, I feel like Jimmy and Stephen Draymond

657
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: with a mobile, Jimmy can go into Houston and win

658
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: a game five if needed, if it was two to two,

659
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: and then close the series out in six. So like,

660
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: if Jimmy's not feeling like he can be a real

661
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: asset on Monday, I would sit in.

662
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a tough call.

663
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 5: I mean, it's so hard to say without knowing how

664
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 5: bad it actually is.

665
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 4: But it's gonna be an interesting decision. Next question, this

666
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: is sort of a hard one to answer, sort of

667
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: the off the cuff.

668
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 5: But is Draymond Green the most clutch.

669
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: Defensive player of all time? It does feel like he

670
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: gets a lot of big stops late. I can think

671
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 4: of a bunch off the top of my head.

672
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: These Yeah, So to the to the question the when

673
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: we talked about this a little bit last night, like

674
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: it's really hard to do an all time list right

675
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: off the cup of the cup, so that that might

676
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: be more of like a long for mail bag for

677
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: the summertime. But uh I, Draymond in general is a

678
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: wonderful clutch defender because of the physicality. You know, the

679
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: playoffs are always physical, but they get exceptionally physical when

680
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: you get into the late game situations and like they

681
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: even you know they're they're they You'll even see that

682
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: in the uh in that last layup that Shangun missed,

683
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: Like Draymond fouled him on that play. But like that's

684
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: the thing, Like there's fouls all over the court, and

685
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 2: like in a game where fouls are allowed to a

686
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: certain point, Draymond is like one of the like and

687
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: even just in a vacuum take away clutch defense, take

688
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: away any of the details that we're specifically referencing, just

689
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: Draymond is the most gifted legal fouler I've ever seen.

690
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: Like this dude in regular season games in February will

691
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: come out and he's gonna find a way in the

692
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: early part portion of the first quarter to kind of

693
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: like probe the extent of what the refs will allow,

694
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: and he kind of like finds that barrier and then

695
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: he operates within that barrier, and like he's just he's

696
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: just so smart and he's so the physical strength element

697
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: to me is so like I got into this argument

698
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: with the guys from the U and I should say,

699
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: a discussion with the guys from Basketball Illuminati. So like

700
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm in and Tom Haberstrow and we were discussing the

701
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: defensive Player of the Year debate, and like I was

702
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: trying to emphasize him. Like the big reason why I

703
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: think Draymond's a better defender than Evan Mobley is like

704
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: Evan Mobley can win a lot of battles in the

705
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: air as like a shot blocker and is like a

706
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: guy in rotation.

707
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: But I have.

708
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: Always been more drawn to the shorter, stockier defenders because

709
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: I think winning battles on the ground is actually the

710
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: most important part of basketball. And Draymond just does a

711
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: wonderful job of disrupting your base and keeping you off

712
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: balance and bringing the appropriate physicality using gamesmanship to is

713
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: to his effect to like to positive effect manipulating the refs,

714
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: like like like Draymond knows that he can get away

715
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: with enough for a certain like that the play where

716
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: he ran up on the ref after he clearly didn't

717
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: get fouled, which was hilarious. He that's like it's part

718
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: of his gamesman ship, if it's part of how he

719
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: gets away with stuff, And like, I just think he's

720
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: I just think he's the best defender I've watched in

721
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: this era.

722
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think the clutch thing, I mean, I

723
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 5: think most of.

724
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: The time, but on offense as well. The best clutch

725
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 4: players are usually just the best players, and the things

726
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 4: get everything just gets heightened and more challenging in the

727
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 4: biggest moments. So it requires the best players to be

728
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 4: able to succeed in those moments.

729
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: But so because of that, Dre's unbelievable blend, like singularly

730
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: unique blend of physical strength on that stocky aspect that

731
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: you're describing, incredibly long wingspan and incredibly high IQ just

732
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: makes him so hard to score on.

733
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: At the end of games.

734
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: And it allows him to cover up for mistakes he's made,

735
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 4: cover up for mistakes other people have made. It's crazy,

736
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 4: like all the stops he's gotten off the top of

737
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 4: my head that I can think of. Got the big

738
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 4: regular season stop against Kevin Durant, he got that block

739
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 4: against Daniel Gafford in the playoffs against the Mavericks. He's

740
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 4: getting these all and they're all different types of stops.

741
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: He's able to do so many different types of things defensively.

742
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 4: That's it's really challenging. I would just it's hard to

743
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 4: imagine going at him.

744
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: That point you made about how the best clutch players

745
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: are just the best players.

746
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: I love that.

747
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: I'm stealing that. That's fantastic stuff right there, exactly, like

748
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: they're just.

749
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: The best players.

750
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,479
Speaker 4: Speaking of the best players, where does Steph Curry rank?

751
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 4: And the best players in the world are ranking right now?

752
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 4: Because according to this comment or nobody's playing better than

753
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 4: him right now. I think the important context of the

754
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 4: question we should attack here is not on an eighty

755
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 4: two game regular season basis.

756
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: No one is going to argue he's better than the

757
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: Gianness on.

758
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 4: Their eighty two game basis, right, But for four playoff

759
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 4: series that you have to win, where would he Where

760
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 4: would he sort of fall in that pecking order?

761
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: I don't think he's playing better than everyone right now.

762
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: There are a lot of guys playing really good basketball

763
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: right now, But I do think Steph is operating at

764
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: that tier. Like I mean, Giannis is averaging thirty six

765
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: points a game right now, Like Jalen Brunson is averaging

766
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: thirty four points a game right now and has like

767
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: executed the pistons in the clutch over and over and

768
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: over again. Like there are a lot like Nikola Jokic

769
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: was playing at an insanely high level tonight, Chagos Alexander

770
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: just like eviscerated the Grizzlies today, Like there's a lot

771
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: of guys playing at a really high level right now.

772
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: I just think Steph is operating at that tier, which

773
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: is the key. Like you don't need Steph to be

774
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: the best player in the world, You just need him

775
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: to be able to go toe to toe with the

776
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: best players in the world. That is what it will

777
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: allow Golden State's number one ranks defense, post All Star break,

778
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: and the overall IQ advantage and the coaching advantage and

779
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: like Jimmy Butler's playoff upside, and that's what allows all

780
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: of that to operate. And like the it's been abundantly

781
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: clear to me pretty much since the all since the

782
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: Jimmy trade, that Steph has had that top tier superstar

783
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: ceiling still. And that's the key, Like, and there's a difference,

784
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 2: Like there are guys in the league, like Lebron, for instance,

785
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: is a guy that like on any one given night

786
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: in the in the in this playoff run, can reach

787
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: that level. He reached that level last night, but like

788
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: he wasn't at that level in Game one for example, right,

789
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 2: and you know, had a great defensive game too, but

790
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: wasn't able to really assert himself offensively in Game two.

791
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 2: And like the thing is is like Steph is night

792
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: in and night out right now providing the superstar offensive

793
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: upside that this team needs to reach their ceiling, which

794
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: is really all you can ask from him. But like,

795
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: as far as like actually officially ranking these guys, like

796
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: I just want everyone to know, like we that is

797
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 2: what we do in the summertime, and we take it

798
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: very seriously. We will do extensive detailed rankings of where

799
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: these guys rank in the league after what they've done

800
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: this season, What I would you know rank them going

801
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: into next season. Here's the thing, it's been what four

802
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: playoff games or three playoff games for Steph for for

803
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: a couple of these guys. It's hard to really like

804
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: parse them out ranking wise until we have a larger sample.

805
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: Next question, as you sort of alluded to in the

806
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 4: interacter to the last one, does this win say more

807
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 4: about Golden State and their championship ceiling being able to

808
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 4: win without jim Me or is it more about the

809
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 4: Rockets just not being on their level?

810
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: Tonight was championship pedigree. Tonight was we need to get

811
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: this win against this team under these circumstances. I don't

812
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: think it's even like a style necessarily that the Warriors

813
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: will play in future games when they're healthy and put together. Like,

814
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: you're not going to see that much Quentin Post, You're

815
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: not going to see that much of Buddy Heel, You're

816
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: not going to see that much of Jonathan comminga That

817
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: was just like, that's just championship pedigree, just getting through

818
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: a tough circumstance in a series. I have been pretty

819
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: consistent about how I feel about Houston throughout the entire season.

820
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: I viewed them as a non threat to upset the

821
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 2: Warriors in this series. Like I like I I was,

822
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: like I told you, Jackson in a mailbag one of

823
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: these last few nights that I thought they'd go to

824
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: in two and zero in Golden State, even without Jimmy.

825
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: So like, to me, this entire series is more about

826
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: surviving the Rockets. In next round when they face either

827
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: Minnesota or LA, it's gonna be a better indicator for

828
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 2: us of where they're at in relation to their championship ceiling.

829
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think winning games like this is sort of

830
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 4: like in the regular season, most championship teams beat up

831
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 4: on the bad teams. They don't just beat them by

832
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 4: a little bit, right, Like, it's an indicator of high,

833
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: high level basketball, but it's not necessarily an actionable thing

834
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 4: you can take and say this type of game means

835
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 4: they're going to win the bigger ones. It's a good

836
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 4: piece of evidence, but it's not necessarily predictive.

837
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: Totally totally agree, And that's the thing, like we need

838
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: to see where like both LA and Minnesota present very

839
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: different types of challenges to the Warriors, and so in

840
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: that round we are going to get a better look

841
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: at them. Again, Like, let me just put it this way.

842
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: When I ranked my championship contenders, I didn't even put

843
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: Rockets in the top ten like I didn't even have

844
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: them on that list. So like Minnesota and LA are

845
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: both legitimate second tier championship contenders, So like that is

846
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: going to be a much better indicator. Like if Golden

847
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: State smokes one of the teams coming out of that

848
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: that series, that would be to me, like the holy shit,

849
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: they've got a real chance to get this done type

850
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: of series for sure.

851
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 5: Let's say a couple more questions.

852
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: First, I wasn't really going to ask this question, but

853
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 4: since we are on the topic, you know, I'm not

854
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: trying to jinx anything. If the Warriors are making able

855
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 4: to make it past this series, we had quite a

856
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: few questions about who would be the better matchup, easier

857
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 4: matchup for them in the second round, the Lakers or

858
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 4: the Timberwolves.

859
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: This is a really good question. I think Minnesota's I

860
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: think excuse me, I think Golden State's defense.

861
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: And you and I talked about this the earlier in

862
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: the series.

863
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: I think Golden State's defense because of Draymond, because they're

864
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: just a little bit faster, They're a faster team. I

865
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: think Golden State's defense would be able to do a

866
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: lot more damage to Minnesota's offense than this Laker defense

867
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: can do. Like, the Lakers defense is very much a smart, positional,

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Speaker 2: connected group. Since December eighth, which is a fifty nine

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Speaker 2: game sample, the Lakers are ninth in defensive rating. They're

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Speaker 2: a good defense, but they're not a great defense. They're

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Speaker 2: just a good defense, and they specifically are a defense

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Speaker 2: that depends on IQ and a forty year old anchoring

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00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: everything for them on the back line. So like, there

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Speaker 2: are obvious times where you can see them just completely

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Speaker 2: overwhelmed by Minnesota's athleticism, like Jada McDaniels last night, just

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Speaker 2: over and over again getting into the teeth of their defense.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the game, they're complete inability to

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Speaker 2: hang with Anthony Edwards. So like, there's no doubt that

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Speaker 2: Golden State, just athletically is more set up to grind

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Speaker 2: Minnesota's offense down into the mudd. And that's what's crazy, is, like, guys,

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Speaker 2: the Lakers, I just emphasized all these details about how

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Speaker 2: their defense is not as good as Golden State. The

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Speaker 2: Lakers are having more luck stopping the Wolves right now

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Speaker 2: then the Celtics are having stopping the Magic. So everything

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Speaker 2: I just said, still, Theakers are doing a better job,

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Speaker 2: Like still the Lakers are able to stop that Minnesota

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Speaker 2: Timberwolves offense, but that's in reference to half court offense,

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Speaker 2: by the way, per cleaning the glass. But the point

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to make is I think Golden State could

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Speaker 2: do some real damage to that Minnesota offense. Like I

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Speaker 2: think I think they could. I think they could win

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Speaker 2: that get that series with their defense in a similar

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Speaker 2: manner to what they do against Houston. But I think

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00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: the Laker offense can present some issues to them with

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Speaker 2: perimeter size. So it's man, it's really tough, Jackson. I

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Speaker 2: I think that Golden State would have a better chance

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Speaker 2: of beating Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. It's a very tough point, so different.

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Speaker 5: I my gut was they'd have a better.

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Speaker 4: Chance of being the Lakers thinking on the thought process

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Speaker 4: of being The Timberwolves present a lot of similar challenges

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Speaker 4: to the Rockets in terms of size, athleticism, but they

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Speaker 4: have an actual go to scorer on the offensive, an

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Speaker 4: actual offense. They have multiple scorers who are better than

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Speaker 4: you know the Rockets have. But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it could go either way.

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Speaker 2: That's tough, now that you put it that way, I

909
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Speaker 2: do think I'd would rather play LA but it's close.

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Speaker 4: To have this size and athleticism thing. But they're also

911
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: not as good of a defense statistically, as you.

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Speaker 1: Say, yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 2: That's it's really tough. Also, like the the the Shane

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Speaker 2: Goon problem, like the Rockets offenses looked its best when

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Speaker 2: they go through Shangoon, as you know, and the Minnesota

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Speaker 2: like the Shane Gun's.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, Shanguon is.

919
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Speaker 2: A better offensive player than Julius Randalls, so like I

920
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: think he could cause more problems there. Here's the other

921
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Speaker 2: thing too, Like I I think the I think the

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Speaker 2: Lakers are gonna win tomorrow. I could be wrong about

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Speaker 2: that and everyone could take another victory lap on me.

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Speaker 1: We'll see.

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Speaker 2: I think the Lakers are gonna win tomorrow, Like I mean,

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Speaker 2: they played like absolute shit in the two losses. Like

927
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: they played like absolute shit. And if if we've learned

928
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Speaker 2: anything from Clippers Nuggets, it doesn't matter if you're up

929
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Speaker 2: to one, it's check ball. You gotta beat us again.

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Speaker 2: And so like I I do think that this. I

931
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Speaker 2: think that series is still I have it like fifty

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Speaker 2: five forty five in favor of Minnesota. Like I think

933
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Speaker 2: Minnesota is a slight favorite for me in the Jason Sportsbook,

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Speaker 2: That's where I have it. But like I man, I think,

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Speaker 2: I think the point you made about Houston's physicality plus

936
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Speaker 2: a better offense would make them a slightly more dangerous

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Speaker 2: team to Golden.

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Speaker 1: State than the Lakers speed.

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Speaker 2: So I guess I'm saying Lakers fans or Warriors fan

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Speaker 2: should be rooting for the Lakers to come back and win.

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Speaker 1: Come over to the dark.

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Speaker 5: You're tempting, You're tempting the YouTube chat with the I

943
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Speaker 5: think the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: Are gonna win tomorrow. Let's take one more question.

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Speaker 5: And then cause for the night. If Joker continues to

946
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Speaker 5: show this is.

947
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Speaker 4: Just the commenter's words, not mine.

948
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Speaker 1: If the joke.

949
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Speaker 4: If Joker continues to show that he's the actual head

950
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Speaker 4: coach of the Nuggets, so obviously like in the game tonight,

951
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 4: parentheses Jokick was calling in subs for context. Does that

952
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 4: mean that is that a bad sign for David Adaman's

953
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 4: future as the head coach?

954
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Speaker 2: There no guys like you, don't think Steve Kerr sits

955
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: down with Steph and Draymond sometimes and ask them their

956
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: opinion or that Draymond is never Steph has ever run

957
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Speaker 2: over to Steve and been like get him out of

958
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Speaker 2: the fucking game. Like like, guys, like, that's just if

959
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: you're a if it news flash. It just because your

960
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: coach doesn't mean you know everything. Players are also very

961
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Speaker 2: very smart, and every smart person that I know, every

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Speaker 2: like smart, humble, like you know, kind of like well

963
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Speaker 2: grounded person I know leans on other smart people to

964
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: try to to try to answer problems. It's not I'm

965
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: the coach, you shut up. I solve all the problems.

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Speaker 2: Like Yo, Kitch is a basketball genius. I would recommend

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00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 2: talking to him as much as possible. Let's call it there,

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Speaker 2: all right, That's all we have for tonight, guys. Is

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Speaker 2: always we sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting us and

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Speaker 2: supporting the show. I'm gonna do a quick film breakdown

971
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Speaker 2: that should be up in the morning that is going

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Speaker 2: to cover just like some details from the two games,

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Speaker 2: might hit, some shake kills Alexander stuff in there too,

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Speaker 2: So keep an eye on the feed tomorrow morning for

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Speaker 2: some film. And then we have four two one series tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: So tomorrow is gonna be an old fashioned show like

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Speaker 2: last weekend. We're we have to hit four games at

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Speaker 2: the same time, so be ready live on YouTube after

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Speaker 2: the final buzzer of Pacers Bucks tomorrow night.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you guys then. What's up guys?

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Speaker 2: As always, I appreciate you for listening to and supporting

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Speaker 2: OOPS tonight. They would actually be really helpful for us

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Speaker 2: if you guys would take a second.

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Speaker 1: And leave a rating and a review.

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Speaker 2: As always, I appreciate you guys supporting us, but if

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Speaker 2: you could take a minute to do that, I'd really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: The volume