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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Samantha and welcome to stuff Mom never

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Speaker 1: told you a production of iHeartRadio. And once again we

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Speaker 1: are still anyless as she is still on jury duty.

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Speaker 1: This is October twenty twenty four. If you want to

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Speaker 1: put a time stamp, like maybe three years down the road.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to this and you're like, Anie's on jewlry duty.

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Speaker 1: Who's any because who knows who's gonna be here, right,

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Speaker 1: It's definitely gonna be Anie, not me, but you know whatever.

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Speaker 1: All that to say, we are any less today, but

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Speaker 1: don't fret as again. Today we are joined once again

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Speaker 1: by the lovely and multi talented, very busy superproducer guest

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Speaker 1: co host Christina.

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Speaker 2: Hello, thank you for all the nice words. I have

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Speaker 2: a few talents maybe, yeah.

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Speaker 1: You have so many talents, you know, and you're wearing

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Speaker 1: so many hats, especially this week because like we've got

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Speaker 1: you running around doing so many things, including keeping me

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Speaker 1: in line actually on Mike.

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Speaker 2: It's an honor, Fillyan, for Annie is an honor, and

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Speaker 2: being with you is another.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yes, we miss Annie, uh, but we know

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Speaker 1: that she has got to do what she's got to do,

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Speaker 1: so therefore we've got to do what we've got to do,

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Speaker 1: and we have the privileges. It's just actually hanging because

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Speaker 1: I don't really get to see you much. I know's

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Speaker 1: a record from home. So this has been lovely. Twice

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't even have my camera on, and I've

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Speaker 2: been having it on for these and it's nice for me.

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Speaker 2: Forces me to put on a better shirt. Not I'm

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Speaker 1: But like, yeah, I'm technically I'm not gonna say, okay, fine,

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing the same shirt of that war yesterday and

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Speaker 1: the name before yesterday. But I'm clean. Yeah, ish, I've

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Speaker 1: taken showers. Done saying too much. Anyway, We're glad you're here,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad to see you and talk with you

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Speaker 1: once again, and you're here for a full episode. So

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Speaker 1: it's probably still gonna be a shorter one. I say

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Speaker 1: a shorter one. We'll see and we're gonna keep it simple.

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Speaker 1: And we're revisiting a topic we've talked a lot about,

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Speaker 1: and it's about gaming. We've talked a lot about it

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Speaker 1: and I will say, you don't have to worry because

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Speaker 1: we'll probably talk about it again with Annie with similar

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Speaker 1: same references, as we know she has a lot of

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Speaker 1: to gaming in general, and most likely newish insights on

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Speaker 1: the games we know she loves. I got a lot

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Speaker 1: of good behind the scenes information by the way, Christina

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Speaker 1: while we were in Seattle, and I know she's been

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Speaker 1: doing quite a lot of replaying, also taking time away

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Speaker 1: to send us pictures of scenes that we visited in

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Speaker 1: Seattle so we could compare. I love that, I know, right,

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Speaker 1: So I will say she probably is gonna be like,

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Speaker 1: what why did you do this one without me? But again,

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Speaker 1: there's so much to talk about when it comes to

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Speaker 1: gaming world, and it's kind of the show's specialty, not

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Speaker 1: necessarily my specialty, but the show specialty, because not only

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Speaker 1: does any do a lot of gaming, but so do you, Right, yes.

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Speaker 2: I do. I do love a video game.

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Speaker 1: I do, and I want to break it down towards

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Speaker 1: end about your favorite games because you definitely sent me

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Speaker 1: like what is cozy games? And you're like, oh, try

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Speaker 1: I think it's again like the level of when I

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Speaker 1: So this is a Sony game created by Sucker Punch,

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Speaker 1: Dot dot dot dot dot dot. Well, again, what little

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Speaker 1: of Yota follows closely with that, except the new protagonist

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Speaker 1: And yes, people are angry because they don't want to

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Speaker 1: you can go back and take a listen to Annie's

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Speaker 1: misogyny in gaming. Oh and this article was published October

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Speaker 1: Sucker Punch created a new lead in the place of

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Speaker 1: The announcement of a female main character in Ghosts of

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Speaker 1: So like they just went in about how they were

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, this is so this this one

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Speaker 1: Like Twitter was flooded with different comments about oh I

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Speaker 1: So perhaps that's why I don't understand this, because I'm like, huh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Do you stand for again d I?

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Speaker 1: Diversity, equity and inclusion, and that they use that word. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they use that and as like a negative. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: Exactly, Like I don't get why you're up that because

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Speaker 2: or eight, And yeah, I mean it's a great great

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Speaker 2: for parents to play with their kids or you know which.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk more about. But yeah, I find

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Speaker 1: that interesting because it is a whole thing and on

435
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Speaker 1: like that's the PC, So like I find that fascinating.

436
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's versions of it their PlayStation.

437
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Speaker 2: You can play even on your phone. That's that's why

438
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Speaker 2: mobile gaming should be even taken more seriously. Yeah, as

439
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Speaker 2: it is. It's obviously it's it's a massive platform that

440
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Speaker 2: people are playing games on. But like a lot of

441
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Speaker 2: games that got popular on PCs, you could play pretty

442
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Speaker 2: much the full game on your phone because friends are

443
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: so good now, so hello, there's not a huge difference, yes,

444
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Speaker 2: and snake.

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Speaker 1: Snake, that's right. So in twenty twenty three, consumers spent

446
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Speaker 1: fifty seven billion dollars on video games and some for

447
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Speaker 1: some more detail. The top grossing console PC full games

448
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 1: were Hogwarts Legacy, followed by Call of Duty Modern Warfare

449
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Speaker 1: three and Madden NFL twenty four. The fact that there's

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Speaker 1: twenty four versions of Madden, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think every year a new one comes out.

452
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Speaker 2: There's probably more than twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, you think, so, I know there are too many.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there's like a nineteen ninety nine version. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I could.

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Speaker 1: See you think they're like specific todays. I know the

457
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Speaker 1: release you play.

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Speaker 2: It's called twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I thought like, this year's Oh I'm dumb.

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Speaker 2: No you're not. I don't say this is I don't

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Speaker 2: even know why people play this.

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Speaker 1: Was twenty four.

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Speaker 2: But I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go hide in the hall. This is how

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Speaker 1: a little old game. But thank you for correcting. But

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Speaker 1: you're corrected the twenty four.

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Speaker 2: You're right.

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Speaker 1: It does have different games. I'm a I'm a pertect.

469
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Speaker 1: Like there's twenty four out there, fouritions. I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 2: Do Modern NFL twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Game one, right, don't get me wrong. I played Knockout.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, don't get don't get me. I got I

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Speaker 1: got the Mike Tyson's Knockout. I was really bad at

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Speaker 1: it too, all right, anyway, And I love playing with

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Speaker 1: my brother who would just knock me out and think

476
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Speaker 1: it's hilarious. And then it didn't want to play with

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Speaker 1: me anymore because I was too easy anyway.

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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Speaker 1: And the top grossing mobile game is a Monopoly Go

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Speaker 1: and they got me and I spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: money on it.

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Speaker 2: I remember you talking about this game and you're like,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say what it is, but I could

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Speaker 2: tell what it was. This is like the biggest game,

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Speaker 2: which is absurd. The mart is absurd.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I've quit since then because I

487
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: got so mad. Because the more you spend, the more

488
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Speaker 1: it goes up. So when you first started, they're like,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get you in, which is the thing of

490
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Speaker 1: the trick with everyone like right, we're gonna get you

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Speaker 1: in with this ninety nine cents special. We got you

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Speaker 1: this package. And then it just kept increasing and I

493
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Speaker 1: was like, why am I doing this? There's no this

494
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Speaker 1: is not gonna stay with me, like if my phone dies,

495
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: it's so for although you can look at your Facebook

496
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Speaker 1: or if I deact to pay Facebook.

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Speaker 2: I will say Also, there are a lot of games similar,

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Speaker 2: not the same concept, but like mobile games like Monopoly Go.

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Speaker 2: I think a Kim Kardashian game. The people sunk hundreds

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Speaker 2: of hours into it and a lot of money and

501
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Speaker 2: they're just getting got rid of it, or they're getting

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Speaker 2: rid of it, and people are like so upset. So

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Speaker 2: it is like a thing that can just disappear on you.

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Speaker 1: It's true. And you know what I've recently figured out,

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Speaker 1: because once upon a time there would be games that

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Speaker 1: you could put like ninety nine cents to get rid

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Speaker 1: of the ads so you didn't have to see as

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Speaker 1: many ads. They do that as a subscription system, so

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Speaker 1: they're like pay like two ninety nine or I saw

510
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Speaker 1: one that's like nine ninety nine to get rid of

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Speaker 1: it for thirty days.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's wild.

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Speaker 1: What anyway? Oh, I'm okay, I've i you're doing stopped

514
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: with that addiction. Yeah, no, I've stopped with that addiction.

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Speaker 1: I figured out and I've kind of hinted at this

516
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Speaker 1: at like apps that help you make money by watching

517
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Speaker 1: ads and playing games and they get your information, yeah,

518
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Speaker 1: and then they reward you. And that's been able to

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Speaker 1: like feed enough, like I'll turn it on while I'm

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Speaker 1: playing games and then turn it back off. But that's

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Speaker 1: fees enough until like, oh I got fifteen dollars so

522
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Speaker 1: I can spend it that way. Yeah, which is still

523
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Speaker 1: not healthy probably, but you know whatever. But anyway, Monopoly

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Speaker 1: Go was the number one, followed by Candy Crush and Roapeblocks.

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Speaker 1: Roadblocks Is that the same thing as Minecraft?

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Speaker 2: No, it's oh no, it's it's a fair assumption from

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Speaker 2: if you don't play either. Watched the game Roadblocks I

528
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Speaker 2: don't even I've never really played it, but I know

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Speaker 2: a lot of kids love it and a lot of

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Speaker 2: adults are into it. And there's a lot of different

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Speaker 2: games within the game, and it's very multiplayer heavy, and

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Speaker 2: I think if I was younger, I'm sure I would

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Speaker 2: have been all all about it, because I was really

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Speaker 2: into like online games where you could meet strangers, which

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Speaker 2: you know, back then it was more risky, but hopefully

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Speaker 2: Roadblocks now is like started.

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Speaker 1: I just saw a TikTok about them saying that they're

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Speaker 1: a haven for a pedophile, So I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't read too much into that. That woud

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Speaker 1: be a different conversation in itself. Oh and by the way,

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Speaker 1: speaking of TikTok, I just saw a video calling Candy

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Speaker 1: Crush a Gen X boomer game, and I just want

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Speaker 1: to say to that person, how dare you? Uh huh,

544
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: how dare you? I have a played Candy Crush in

545
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Speaker 1: a minute, but obviously it's still making its money and

546
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Speaker 1: how dare you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you could play it at a Dave and Busters,

548
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: So come on, okay, kids are playing it. I think

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00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 2: it's like a physical machine. A lot of games relate that.

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00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, nowadays that makes sense. And of course because of

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Speaker 1: these profits, uh, the companies suddenly realizing that women are

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Speaker 1: on the rise in the gaming world. I think it's now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we mentioned it again. It went

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Speaker 1: from forty five percent of being women to forty eight

555
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Speaker 1: percent women being the gamers. So with that, many companies

556
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Speaker 1: have jumped on board to include women outside of being

557
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Speaker 1: just you know, overly sexual life characters. And here's a

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Speaker 1: bit from an opinion piece in the Michigan Daily dot

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Speaker 1: com about one writer's beginning and love for gaming, and

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Speaker 1: she writes, the rise in female gamers has forced the

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Speaker 1: gaming industry to adapt in order to accommodate its growing

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Speaker 1: female user base, with some companies achieving more success than others.

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Speaker 1: My favorite video game is Fortnite, and they have been

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Speaker 1: successful in gaining and maintaining female users by creating more

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Speaker 1: female skins and fostering an inclusive environment. There are new

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Speaker 1: TikTok trends celebrating female gamers recently, like the Fortnite Girlfriend,

567
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Speaker 1: where men post clips of their girlfriends playing Fortnite, and

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Speaker 1: the trend is pretty wholesome. The girls struggled to learn

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Speaker 1: and play the game like any beginner, but their boyfriend's

570
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: support and encourage them by positively reinforcing female gamers. Like

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Speaker 1: in this trend, the industry can maintain is growing popularity

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Speaker 1: among women.

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Speaker 2: I did want to say that I have seen this trend.

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Speaker 2: It is. It made me laugh. It's pretty funny, you know.

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Speaker 2: It does like reinforce like, oh, women aren't as good

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Speaker 2: at this game. But it is funny and it's wholesome,

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00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: you know. It's not outwardly like, oh, my girlfriend is

578
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Speaker 2: horrible this game. It's just like maybe, yeah, she could

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Speaker 2: be a new player and a lot of Like Fortnite,

580
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: it's a hard game. I mean, it's also a game

581
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Speaker 2: it's like anyone could win or lose.

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Speaker 1: But the interaction between my partner and I is I

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Speaker 1: play a game to a certain point and that I

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Speaker 1: can't beat them, and then I have to be like, ah,

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Speaker 1: you being THEMT tired of this game to my partner,

586
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Speaker 1: and then they do that.

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Speaker 2: It's like the modern day opening the pickle jar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the Luigi's Haunted Mansion.

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00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: I struggled to course, like with the bigger bosses, and

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Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out how to use both bubble version.

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Speaker 2: What is what? I never actually I never played that game.

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Speaker 2: They want to people love. I do love.

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Speaker 1: It is super cute and it's like you collect all

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Speaker 1: these things. And I gave up too quickly because I

596
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Speaker 1: was like, I can't let this boss and I had

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Speaker 1: to get my partner to go beat them. Like I've

598
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Speaker 1: had those jibs.

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Speaker 2: We've done that.

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Speaker 1: I should go back and try to play it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I just wanted to say that that trend

602
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: is very funny, and I know that we've talked about

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Speaker 2: how gaming has become a way of connecting people, not

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Speaker 2: just through the online community, but families and partners as well,

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00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: just like with you asking your partner to help you out. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: According to the same essay statistics, families have used games

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Speaker 2: as a form of bonding. Eighty three percent of parents

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Speaker 2: they played games with their kids, and at least fifty

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Speaker 2: one percent play with their kids.

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Speaker 1: Weekly, which I find interesting. Now, I think we've known

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00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: about the siblings playing together. I mean except Annie and I,

612
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: whose siblings are either way more competitive or just mean,

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Speaker 1: like any of other stories about her brother like making

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Speaker 1: fun of her, which she was better and they did

615
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: not like that. As for me, I was worse and

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Speaker 1: they did not like that.

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Speaker 2: I remember being I remember being a kid, and I

618
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: have two brothers, and I remember being a kid, and

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Speaker 2: like me and my sister and I have a sister,

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Speaker 2: we would sit there and just sit on the floor

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Speaker 2: and watch them play games. But there's they would play

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Speaker 2: like the early granted photo games, and my sister would

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Speaker 2: like run to my mom and cry, like be upset

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Speaker 2: and be like if they heard a woman in the game.

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00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: You know, it's really easy to run people over in

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Speaker 2: that game, and so she didn't like that. And that's

627
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: always a funny memory for me. But just watch them,

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00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: yeah right, hey, I guess yeah, playing with your kids though,

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's like the I think one of

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Speaker 2: the coolest things about game.

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Speaker 1: It really is. And I'm wondering. I'm wondering with parents

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Speaker 1: joining in press because millennials are now the parents are

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Speaker 1: the ones that have the air children, and this being

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00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: more recent, I think that could be a big change

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00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: because we grew up and I say this as excellennial.

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00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: Gene's like right on the cusp and not having children

637
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: but being the age that my nieces have grown up

638
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: or watching like my friend's children, like they play these games.

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00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: My generation started kind of like really being into these games.

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00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, there was all these games before

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00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: we have the different systems, but with like Nintendo coming

642
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: out and PlayStation coming out, all of those Xbox that

643
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: was a whole different level, especially with handhelds, having game boys,

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00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: which was I think the first for us, and then

645
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: having a smaller place like all of those that you

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00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: could have portably. That changed a lot of perspectives in

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Speaker 1: what was a normal pastime. And I think that's really

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Speaker 1: interesting to see as they play with kids, because we

649
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Speaker 1: still came like that's still a thing. Obviously, we saw

650
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: the rise in fifty year olds still playing, like more

651
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: of them playing games. The fact that millennials are still

652
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: heavy into like console games as well as PCs, like

653
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: this is a big thing still. So I think it

654
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with like that bonding time.

655
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's easier than ever. You could. You

656
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: could play cross platform a lot of games too, like

657
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: I think Roadblocks. The kid could play on the computer,

658
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: and if you're a parent you want to play with them,

659
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: you could play on your phone or sname with Minecraft.

660
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: It's it's really cool that way too. So like, even

661
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: if you don't own multiple consoles or multiple computers, there's

662
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: still ways that you can play fun games that adults

663
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: and kids both enjoy playing and playing them together. And

664
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Speaker 2: like I, like I said, I played Minecraft with my

665
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: niece before, and it's she's great at it, and it's

666
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: it's funny because yeah, I played it when I was

667
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: a teenager, so it's it's a game. Games are now

668
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: like living on and on and getting updated. And you know,

669
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: I bought the game like thirteen years ago and I

670
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 2: could still plan the same account and that's really wow.

671
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, that's interesting. That's cool and yeah, and

672
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: partners have become more involved with things like the Fortnite Girlfriend,

673
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: which I've never seen, but also like girlfriend reviews, it

674
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: really like opened and expanded her world from like being

675
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: the partner that watches her boyfriend to being the person

676
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: who is trying the games as well and reviewing the

677
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: games as well and then flip flopping about the different

678
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: games and she they as like a duo, have made

679
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: tons of money and have been able to solely focus

680
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: on that as their career and like bring other people

681
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: to be interested because it is a funny take on

682
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: different games. And I think it kind of was what

683
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: my partner because when I was initially starting to game

684
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: through like switch and all of that, I didn't until

685
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: he was like, watch this, I think you'll like this game.

686
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: And it was partially watching those YouTube videos and being like, look,

687
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: she thinks it's fun. You should look at this type

688
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: of level. And it was interesting at least like the

689
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: way they they put that perspective. I also love making

690
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: fun of my partner when he dies in the game,

691
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: so I think that's also enjoyable. But hey, bonding right.

692
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, couch crow up games are just another way

693
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: I think are to me the perfect game to play

694
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: with a partner because you can be on the same

695
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: television if it's a split stream situation. And I love

696
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: those types of games like It Takes Too. I know

697
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: I've recommended that to both you and Andy before. Have

698
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: you played that one?

699
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: I haven't because we got mad about Overcooked.

700
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: Overcooked is so hard. It's way better than that. I mean,

701
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: there's probably some fighting that could happen with It Takes two, but.

702
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: I hardly just get annoyed.

703
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, like those types of like little little fights that

704
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: don't really matter, but that's a really good, like couple

705
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: of game to play.

706
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play with them,

707
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna come back and talk about it.

708
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: Is it like, is that a game that you and

709
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: your partner are playing?

710
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like that before, and it's yeah, it's like

711
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: a split screen, so you just need one TV and

712
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: then you're two characters who are working together to kind

713
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: of beat the game. And it's truly good. It's a

714
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: really good world too. It's like miniatures and toys and stuff,

715
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: and oh it's very cute and fun. It's not like

716
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: it's not too serious.

717
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, because the overcooked one of my problems well

718
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: Overcooked as well as Super Smash. I can never figure

719
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: out which one mine is and I start doing and

720
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: I really get frustrated.

721
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 2: Do you ever do that when playing Mario Kart?

722
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: I fall off so many times. I'm so far behind

723
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: that I know which one is me.

724
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: It's so bad when you think you think you're somebody

725
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: who's doing really well and you're like, whoa, I'm gonna

726
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: win and you're actually like in the place.

727
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been stuck and the cloud guy has been

728
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: helped lifting you up. The en hard time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway,

729
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm not bitter about this game anyway, but I'm wondering

730
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: if that's what it takes Sue, is anything like that,

731
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,240
Speaker 1: because I'm like, where am I?

732
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: Well, if you just know you're on the left or

733
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: the right, should be good and you can play as

734
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: I think the male or the female.

735
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: So okay, well one, this has become a hotel of

736
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: why I fil yes, and as women continue to take

737
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: more space in gaming, we are seeing the same on

738
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: the competitive level as we've kind of been talking about.

739
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: But as expected, it's been filled with many obstacles and

740
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: roadblocks and honestly, this is an episode on its own,

741
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: so we're just going to briefly look into it. And

742
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: according to Women's Game dot Org, this is an organization

743
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: that was created like way back when and there was

744
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: very few of them. And this isn't twenty twenty. We

745
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: have a global average statistic of twenty two percent of

746
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: women and gaming as in the industry, and in our

747
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: recent survey of the global top fifteen game companies, only

748
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: sixteen percent of women are represented in the executive teams

749
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: and a number of women working in any role or

750
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: competing in e sports is around five percent or one

751
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: and twenty so it's very very, very very small amount numbers.

752
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 1: And here's some more sad statistics from a twenty twenty

753
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: three article titled Women in Esports, Current Landscape and Ways

754
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: to enhance their successful participation. This was a statistics paper,

755
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: kind of a theory paper about getting women in esports

756
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: is as it is vividly reflected in the female share

757
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: in esports earnings. Dota two currently is the most lucrative

758
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: game for esports players and according to the BBC only

759
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: points zero zero two percent, which is about six thousand,

760
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: three hundred US dollars of about two hundred and thirty

761
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: five million US dollars as awarded in DODA two competitions

762
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: up to twenty twenty one has been won by women,

763
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: so literally just sixty three hundred dollars. This is to

764
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: remain largely unchanged as at the time of writing, none

765
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: of the teams that, according to current standings, are likely

766
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: to compete in this year's DODA two World Championship that

767
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: include a woman. Based on data gathered by esports Earnings

768
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Speaker 1: dot Com, Sasha Scarlett h Ho, a Canadian playing StarCraft two,

769
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: is currently the top female player who won the most

770
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: prize money in esports overall, which equal to be about

771
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: four hundred fifty three thousand, five hundred and seven dollars,

772
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: and in the list of players with the highest overall rankings,

773
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Speaker 1: she is ranked four hundred and eighty seven. The next

774
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: woman and I'm sorry this is gonna be bad, Li

775
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: Xiaoming or Lion on the list, with earnings of two

776
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: hundred and forty one thousand, five hundred and ten dollars,

777
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: does not rank among the top one thousand overall, So

778
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: currently there's only one woman in the top one thousand

779
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: of esports players with the highest overall earnings in the world.

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00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: Apart from this marginal female share in esports prize money distribution,

781
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: the female underrepresentation at the highest level also make it

782
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: difficult for women players to acquire additional revenue through sponsoring

783
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: and other brand partnerships. Currently, they largely miss out on

784
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: chance of capitalizing on esports rapid growth.

785
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: And some have tried to say it could be because

786
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: women aren't as interested, but they also have some numbers

787
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: on that quote. The female interest appears to be profound,

788
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: as the female audience share already is significant. In Europe,

789
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: for example, thirty seven percent of the estports audience in

790
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two was female. Given the high share of

791
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: women engaging video games, the number of female viewers can

792
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: be expected to drow. The reasons thus seem to lie

793
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: deeper in relevant articles and on platforms. It is often

794
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: claimed that a hostile environment for women is created in

795
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: gaming and esports. The field would be embossed with sexism, harassment, bullying,

796
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: and cultural bias. This is seen to be coupled with

797
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 2: the unfounded belief that women perform worse than men in esports.

798
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: This would lead to a reduced likelihood of entering the

799
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: path of becoming professional esports players and breaking through US

800
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: competitive players in comparison to men. Another reason could be

801
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: that the tendency for women to become more and more

802
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: engaged in gaming in esports is a development of rather

803
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: recent years that goes hand in hand with a general

804
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: societal development towards gender neutrality. Male players who are now

805
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 2: successful in esports likely started playing at a young age

806
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: at a time when gaming was still seen as an

807
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 2: activity mainly reserved to boys. They thus may have had

808
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: a head start on the way to becoming a professional player.

809
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: Right and we've talked about that before, about the fact

810
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: that the expectation is that boys will play video games

811
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: while girls played barbies in house and cook and all

812
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: of that, which you know, we've already talked about the

813
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: very specific gender road that parents may play for their children.

814
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: And it could be this conversation because esports, even though

815
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: it's not in my world I know, is very, very,

816
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: very popular. They are celebrities. People who are in the

817
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: top ten are celebrities. I know. I've seen content in

818
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: South Korea where they have their top players being almost

819
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: as big as some of K pop people, not internationally,

820
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: but definitely nationally, and they can make a lot of money.

821
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: For the fact that this is like that one player

822
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: was able to make two hundred and forty one thousand

823
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: dollars but is not at the top, right, that's insane. Yeah,

824
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: and that's probably without too many sponsorships either. So from

825
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: PocketGamer dot biz, they say a new blog post has

826
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Speaker 1: broken down the disparity in pay between male and female

827
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Speaker 1: esports players, finding that while one hundred and forty seven

828
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: people worldwide have become millionaires through esports, all of them

829
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: are men. In fact, no woman appear among the top

830
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,479
Speaker 1: four hundred players, and again that means only one woman

831
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: appeared out of the top thousand players, which is insane,

832
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: especially when we know that forty eight percent of gamers

833
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: are withen So, some examples of pay from different countries

834
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: that they give are as follows. Finland is identified as

835
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: the country with the greatest sparity between men and women,

836
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: with the country's ten professional female esports players earning just

837
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: seven cents for every one hundred dollars that a man does,

838
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,959
Speaker 1: a difference of ninety nine point ninety three percent. Over

839
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: a year, the average female player can earn three hundred

840
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: and thirty two dollars compared to the four hundred and

841
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: fifty nine nine hundred and twenty five dollars earned by

842
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: men in the same field.

843
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: And the quote continues. While other countries pay female esports

844
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: players far better than others, no country comes close to

845
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: pay equity. Chile is identified as the country with the

846
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: smallest gap, with female players earning eight dollars and fifty

847
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: nine cents for every one hundred dollars a man makes,

848
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: representing a disparity of ninety one point forty one percent.

849
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: Right, and then they say about the US, The United States,

850
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: which came in tenth place, has female players earn an

851
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: average of three dollars and forty two cents for every

852
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars earned by men. However, Lucidis esports scene

853
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: and the country means that they can earn more than

854
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: any other country, with an average income of twenty four thousand,

855
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: five hundred and nine compared to the seven hundred and

856
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: sixteen one hundred and twenty eight for men. So obviously

857
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about this as a job and career. You

858
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: can make some money, and it's according to whether or

859
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: not you have that opportunity. Once again, they talked about

860
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: how young boys oftentimes start earlier, but obviously I think

861
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: that's the we know that the times have changed. With

862
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: the growing numbers of women in community, I.

863
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, it reminds me of how we're seeing

864
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: older people play more games, and that's because they've had

865
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: games when they were younger. So hopefully we see those,

866
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: you know, numbers of women in these esports grow, because yeah,

867
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: the times are changing and young girls now are maybe

868
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: just as likely to get into competitive games as as

869
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 2: boys are, so you know, in some amount of time, hopefully, yeah,

870
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: this disparity is is way.

871
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: Better right, And I don't know with the numbers for

872
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: the esports specifically with the competitors, if they're adding like

873
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: Twitch stream numbers, because we know that Twitch streamers who

874
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: may not be competitive get a lot of can get

875
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: a lot of money. We've talked about that before and

876
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: we've had a whole episode about Twitch, yeah, specifically in

877
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: those kind of platforms that allow for esports players to

878
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: make money and make income. So I don't know if

879
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: that has been averaged with the competitors specifically with the

880
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: different levels, because we know, like there was an article

881
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: about FIFA who hosted an all women's World Cup of

882
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: Esports and that was specific to try to make the

883
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: difference in the gender gap in the sports. So there's

884
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: a lot to have in this conversation. Again, I think

885
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: we're going to come back because I do want to

886
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: focus specifically on esports and the women in that specific.

887
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll come.

888
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: Back to it. But with all of that, obviously there's

889
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: a lot to be changed. There's still a lot that

890
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: needs to happen with the growing community as well about

891
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: opening and being welcoming to all the marginalized, because we

892
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: haven't even stepped onto what it looks like for the

893
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: black community, where it looks like for the queer community,

894
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: because there's a lot, there's a lot to unpack. Obviously,

895
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: we talked about how they are seen at characters, which

896
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: is still not cute. You have sent me a recommendation,

897
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: so let's have a Christina's corner, a gaming corner, and

898
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: you give us recommendations your loves, your least loved, and

899
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: recommendations for me.

900
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I will fly through some of these because I

901
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: have some good ones. Okay, look, think the first one

902
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: I want to talk about, which yeah, I don't think

903
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: you were as into, but I did recommend it was

904
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: Starting Valley. I know. Maybe you just keep trying. Actually

905
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: you have to keep trying. No, but I get why

906
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't your favorite, because there are It is

907
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: like a fighting game in some aspects. But yeah, for

908
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: anyone who doesn't know, it's a farming and dating sim

909
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: inspired by Harvest Moon. And that's just like a very

910
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: vague way to put it. There's a lot more that

911
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 2: goes to it. But yeah, you play as a farmer

912
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: who inherited your land from your dead grandpa, and you

913
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: live in this town called Sturdy Valley and basically The

914
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: main plot is there's two routes you can take. You

915
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: can either help the town return to its former glory

916
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: and basically run Jo Jamart at a business which is

917
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: their local like capitalist like Walmart type business that nobody

918
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 2: really likes that much. They're kind of the evil people.

919
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, you could either choose to get rid of

920
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: them or you can actually choose to like help them.

921
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: And I like that about the game that you can

922
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 2: kind of go to evil route and it doesn't really

923
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: change the gameplay as much either one you choose. It

924
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: kind of makes it easier or harder. But I like

925
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: that about the game. But yeah, there's a lot that

926
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: you can do. You you obviously, you farm, you make crops.

927
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: You it's a dating sim like I said, so you

928
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: date people. It's kind of fun. And you know, people

929
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: in the community who play this game, they like to

930
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: argue like who's the best person to date? And that's

931
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: that's pretty fun and for anyone who's ever played it.

932
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: My first husband is Harvey. I recently divorced him. Yeah,

933
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: I recently divorced him. I'm also dating everybody right now,

934
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: which could be a problem for me if you know

935
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: you don't well, so yeah, I've been trying. There is

936
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 2: there's like one wizard.

937
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: Wizard, there's a wizard something like that. Unfortunately, oh well

938
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: that probably could turn out bad if you break up.

939
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a whole plot about him.

940
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: I won't go in detail, but okay, you're not gone

941
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: far enoughing. I will say my partner really started really

942
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: getting into it. It was very excited about it, and

943
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: then like he lets farm die.

944
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 2: That happens though, And it's cool because every so there's

945
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: four seasons and you have to kind of strategically plant

946
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: stuff and to sell it to make money and also

947
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 2: gifted to people. And that's why the game is kind

948
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: of fun, is that there's like a strategy to it.

949
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: And also there's like mining and fishing and you know

950
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: monster killing. Yeah, mining is super fun. And I know

951
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: that that's probably an aspecting and like too much does it?

952
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: It's scary.

953
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: I couldn't get out of the house at one point, Christina,

954
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: because I was so confused. All right, Like that was

955
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: a whole day of like how do I get it?

956
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: You're you're trying to beat the clock in that game.

957
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 2: There's like a that's definitely an aspect, but that is

958
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: is one of my favorite games there. I play on

959
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: the Switch and they're finally getting an update. There was

960
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 2: like a recent update that's pretty big that's coming to

961
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 2: the Switch and pferd to that playing that again. But yeah,

962
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 2: that's definitely a game I recommend for anybody who's into that.

963
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: So if you look it up and look at the

964
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: art style, some people aren't aren't into that like pixelated

965
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: top stuff, but I I get too. Yeah, but yeah,

966
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 2: I already mentioned Minecraft. Minecraft is another game I got

967
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: really into when I was a teenager. And what I

968
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: like about is that you play with other people. Multiplayer

969
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: gaming is really fun to me and building stuff, building

970
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: passes and farms. And I played it during COVID with

971
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of my friends who are all like over thirty,

972
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 2: and I think that's funny and cool that like adults

973
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: like this game. And it was great during COVID because

974
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: we couldn't hang out, so we would get on a

975
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: voice chat and talk and build a town essentially with

976
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: each other. Yeah that's fun and Okay, so I have

977
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: two honorable mentions. I love these games. Like I said,

978
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 2: the Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom, awesome game.

979
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 2: It's only like a year old now, but very fun.

980
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 2: Maybe not the coziest game, but some people tall at

981
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: that for some reason, that game's really cool. And as

982
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 2: somebody who never played any of the Zelda games before,

983
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: I still really liked it. And I didn't have to

984
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: know the lore. It definitely helps to know a little bit,

985
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: but you learn as you you don't need to. And

986
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: then another game that I it's kind of funny that

987
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: I play that. People are like, what, I don't play

988
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: that seriously. I got it on sale once. I think

989
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: it was like two dollars on Steam. But it's American

990
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: truck simulator. Yeah, I know that's what people say. And

991
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: I even went as far. I thrifted a physical wheel

992
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: that connects to the computer. So I'm like driving.

993
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: Around and it's actually.

994
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: Like meditative and fun and you can play with other

995
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 2: people and have like a convoy and it's just kind

996
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: of fun. It's it's a little challenging and it's really

997
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: easy to crash your truck and basically you're just it's

998
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 2: a driving simulator and your trucker and it's kind of fun.

999
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: I feel like I've heard of that there's a really

1000
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: popular europe truck simulator that people have a lot a

1001
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: lot of simulator games are pretty big, like farming simulator,

1002
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: and uh, you can definitely crash, but it's kind of

1003
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: funny when you crash. It's like if you're in like

1004
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 2: a convoy with people. I remember like cry laughing playing

1005
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: this game and like pretending to be a trucker and

1006
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: like do trucker lingo and stuff, and it's and the

1007
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: controller is funny too. I mean, you don't need that.

1008
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: You can play with a keyboard, but I know it's

1009
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,479
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool.

1010
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: That's the only way to play.

1011
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: And the last thing I wanted to mention, which I

1012
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: actually think I want to recommend to you. It's called Tichia.

1013
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of it? It's g c h

1014
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: I A. I think I played it on a console.

1015
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: It's it's possibly on Steam as well for PC. But

1016
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 2: it's like this super fun, cute open world game where

1017
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: you play this young girl who is uh in this

1018
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: fictional land that is based off of New Caledonia. So

1019
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: they do a lot of like good work about like referencing,

1020
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: you know, the natives of that of that country, of

1021
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: that land of the land, and it's really cute. It's

1022
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: really fun and you plays this girl who's like, I think,

1023
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: trying to save her town. And she can soul jump

1024
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: into animals, so she can like jump her soul can

1025
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: like jump into an animal, and then you can be

1026
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: that animal run around and you can fly around. You

1027
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: could be like a wolf or something, or a deer.

1028
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,959
Speaker 2: It's it's really a beautiful game, and it's it's there's

1029
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: not any super crazy fighting or anything. It's it's I

1030
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 2: would say a cozy game. But it is open world,

1031
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: so you have like this giant, really cool world to explore.

1032
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: And I know that the studio that developed it, the

1033
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 2: founders are from New Caledonia, and they were really inspired

1034
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: by the Kanook culture that right, and they're just the

1035
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: indigenous Melanesian people of New Caledonia. And it's very cool

1036
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: and I really like that aspect of it, and they

1037
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 2: they show that culture even though it is like a fictional,

1038
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: you know world that it's it's heavily based on this

1039
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: on this area that I didn't know too much about before,

1040
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: and you know, it was it was so beautiful and

1041
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: so cool, and I feel like you would like it

1042
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 2: because of that, and also it is fun and cute

1043
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: and you do play as a girl, you know, like

1044
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: so many, like so many dames. It's it's awesome. It's touching.

1045
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: I think I cried in a good way at the end,

1046
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: like it's it's it's really good. It's really touching and

1047
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: really well made and very beautiful and easy to pick

1048
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: up and put down. And uh yeah, to Chia, I

1049
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 2: recommend that to anybody.

1050
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: To Chia and you could. You said it was on Console?

1051
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: Can I do it on Switch? Can we get it

1052
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: on that?

1053
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: Actually? Yeah, it is on Switch and on Steam, so

1054
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: it's available on everything.

1055
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: I'll look at it, all right. I wrote it down

1056
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: so because that sounds awesome, I do. I love when

1057
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: you can learn about things outside of and cute.

1058
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels very cute and informative and respectful of

1059
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 2: a culture that maybe doesn't get a lot of you know,

1060
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 2: media recognition or stuff like that. It's really good, all right.

1061
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, those are my games Stardo Valley, Minecraft, Selda

1062
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: Truck Simulator, which just fun.

1063
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's tozy, I don't have to

1064
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: borrow your wheel.

1065
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: Then anytime, anytime you can borrow my wheel, that can

1066
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 2: be a whole podcast. A trucker like you're a Trucker

1067
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: Doing It podcast, the.

1068
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: Truck Yelling at people. I love it. I love this

1069
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: so much. Thank you so much for coming on again

1070
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: and giving us so much good insight at these amazing

1071
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: reversations that I have written down. I just wrote them

1072
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: down and I'm going to look into and of course

1073
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: thanks to you. And if you have any suggestions, listeners,

1074
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 1: you know I'm always down. You've given me so many

1075
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: that I really need to get back on it. It's

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Speaker 1: been a minute. I'm gonna need these other suggestions as

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Speaker 1: well as if you have any thoughts. I'm sure I

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Speaker 1: know y'all do you guys have tons of thoughts when

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Speaker 1: it comes to this conversation we're having within the industry.

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Speaker 1: If you have, if you're a competitor and e sports,

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Speaker 1: we would love to hear from you, tell us about

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Speaker 1: your experience because that's like a whole fascinating thing to me.

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Speaker 1: You can do this by emailing us as stuff Media

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Speaker 1: Mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can message us

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Speaker 1: at Instagram or even on TikTok or even on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Stuff Mom never told you we have a book where

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Speaker 1: we do talk about gaming characters and gaming in general. Annie.

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Speaker 1: You know, because she's the expert. We miss you. You

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Speaker 1: can find this in our books. Wherever you find books,

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Speaker 1: you can order it independent bookstores, all the things. Thanks

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Speaker 1: of course to our super producer and guest host, Christina.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to our executive producer Maya and our contributory Joey.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Annie, whom I missed but she'll be back soon.

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Speaker 2: I miss Annie, I know I did do.

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Speaker 1: And of course thanks to you, all of our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Stuff Mom Never Told You is a production of iHeartRadio.

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