1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is no they call 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: producer Paul, Mission controlled dec and most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: You are here and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: want you to know, as we have been doing. At 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: the top of this show, we're gonna we're gonna do 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of of a Twitter roll call. That's 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: where we find some tweets from you and your fellow listeners. 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: Just give them, give them some time on air to 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: see what you all think about them. Who would like 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: to do the honors today? Let's go to in DAG fifteen, 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 1: In DAG fifteen, in DEG fifteen, says Yo. So, Harvey 17 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: Weinstein got twenty three years and everyone's talking about coronavirus. 18 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: Was this planned or something? This is the same thing 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: as Wendy Williams fainting during the wildfires? Interesting? What is 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: he saying that coronavirus is the Wendy Williams Fanning in 21 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: the way during the wild. Yes, the coronavirus is the 22 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: hey look over your smoke screen and the real thing 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,919 Speaker 1: is Harvey wind cover story. Yeah, I don't that seems wrong. 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like generally that would go 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: the other way. That's what I'm thinking. But and that 26 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: is not too you know, well, it's it's not to 27 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: say the the victims of Harvey Weinstein are not important. 28 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 1: That is just to say that's it's going to affect 29 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: a lot more people, the coronavirus. Weinstein went to jail, Yes, 30 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It would it would feel 31 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: like more of a one to one cover story comparison 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: if Weinstein somehow did not go to jail and got 33 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, put in mental institution or rehab, like when 34 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: he went to that when he tried to go to 35 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: that sex addiction rehab and then dropped out early. That 36 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: also happened. Uh, you know, probably so we could go 37 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: have some sex. Who knows. And the reports of we 38 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: may have talked about this off air, may have talked 39 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: about what you guys, but the reports of his uh, 40 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: the reports of his surgery bits, his unmentionables. Oh yes, yeah, 41 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: it's really like like the like the descriptions, descriptives, and 42 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: it had the pleasure so painful for survivors have to 43 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: mention that. But his his bits, his Australia as a 44 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: train wreck, uh in a medically bizarre way. But yeah, 45 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: it could it be a cover story. We know that those, 46 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: We know that those do occur. We've had a lot 47 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: of people actually right in to say that. People have 48 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: said that the coronavirus is a cover story for something different. 49 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: Many political partisans are saying coronavirus is a alarmist story 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: meant to distract from what they see as the d 51 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: n C conspiring to push an establishment candidate over the 52 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: one that they feel is closer to their values. But 53 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: the thing about those cover stories is you never really 54 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: know until it's too late to do anything right. So 55 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: here's another one. There's another Twitter shout out from technol Music. 56 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: Technol Music says, guys, big fan, I got some stuff 57 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know and would love to 58 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: share it with you guys. It involves black hat s 59 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: e O, search engine optimization, bots, elections and what we 60 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: expect in the upcoming elections. I know how all that 61 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: stuff works. Intimately because I used to do it. Yeah, 62 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: big shout out to Technology Dash Internet God. Um, I 63 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: I do not know who you are, genuinely technologe. You 64 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: seem to have a lot of followers Technology Internet God. 65 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: We should say that in technolog Internet CAD. I apologize, man, 66 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 1: but that's uh. You know you've intrigued us. We would 67 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: love to know if you want to send things, detailed things. 68 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: Our email is conspiracy at I heart radio dot com. 69 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: And you know we've got that phone number that you'll 70 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: hear at the end. And if you would be more 71 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: comfortable using an encrypted info drop site, then I can 72 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: set one of those up and we can communicate that way, 73 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: or proton mail or proton mail as well. This is 74 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: not a commercial proton mail, but they do good work's 75 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: proton mail where you like molecularly deconstructed and then reassemble 76 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: it on the other side, or something almost exactly that, 77 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: just with encryption. Yeah, it's pretty secure. A lot of journalists, 78 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: especially in dangerous authoritarian countries, use proton mail. And this 79 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: concludes our Twitter roll call. On with the show today, 80 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: we return fellow conspiracy realist once again to the controversial 81 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: and fast moving Get It world of UFO revelations in 82 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: recent years. In recent months, West and governments have done 83 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: something kind of hilarious. Uh, They've revealed internal documentation that 84 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: flatly contradicts their earlier stated policies. Remember in the days 85 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: after Blue Book, the famous Project Blue Book, where where 86 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: in the government collected all these reports of unidentified flying objects? 87 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: In the years since then, Uncle Sam's main official line 88 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: had always been we did this, we didn't find anything. 89 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: We don't waste money on it anymore because your taxpayer, 90 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: that's your money. We spend it on good stuff like bombs, 91 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: maybe weaponized diseases. But recent weeks later confirmed that the 92 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: US Navy at the very least as well as the 93 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: Pentagon were in fact closely monitoring what they called u 94 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: a p unexplained aerial phenomena, while simultaneously claiming they were 95 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: doing no such thing. Isn't that just like a synonym 96 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: for UFO? How is that? Is there anything that sets 97 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: it apart? It doesn't have this stigma, so it's just 98 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: sort of like a stand in. Then it's sort of 99 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: like a less charged version of the same exact thing. Well, 100 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: it's it's more broad too, because it doesn't have the 101 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: implication that there's a physical object, it's a craft of 102 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: some kinds. It could just be weather, which is often 103 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: the explanation for UFOs as well. So it's interesting that 104 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: there's a separate term. I wonder who pitched that in 105 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: a meeting. I don't know. Yeah, this this is interesting though, 106 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: because this is still a developing story, we want to 107 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: give you a real quick walk through on some stuff. 108 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: For a deep dive into some of this information, please 109 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 1: check out our earlier episode not sponsored by Blink one two. 110 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: But when we talk about revelations, what do we mean? 111 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: Here are the facts. In The New York Times exposed 112 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: the Pentagon's previously secret, mysterious UFO program that was known 113 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: as Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program or a a d 114 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: I P AT TIP, A TIP I'm gonna go with 115 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: at tip. This program catapulted an individual who was previously 116 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: quite unknown by the name of Luis Alesando um right 117 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: into the public eye. Alexando as a former employee of 118 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence 119 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: or goosty uh and a former U. S Army counterintelligence 120 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: special agents Yes, and Luis Alizondo, as we will refer 121 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: to as Elizondo, henceforth he Uh, he was the head 122 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: of this A T I P Year, or at TIP 123 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: as we have named it. Now, this was a really 124 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: interesting thing. It was a program, type of program that 125 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: we've discussed before on this show called a Special Access program. 126 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: It was allotted somewhere between twenty two and twenty nine 127 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: million dollars and it was it got its start or 128 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: is initiated by the Defense Intelligence Agency. And here's the 129 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: here's what it was gonna do. It was going to 130 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: study unidentified aerial phenomena, these things we call now you 131 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: a P s um also UFOs. And this guy, like 132 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: we said, he just got thrust out there. He had 133 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: to start immediately answering questions about this thing that nobody 134 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: knew about. Really interesting too, because when he started answering this, 135 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: it was after the fact. He was an ex government employee. 136 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: And Louis made a lot of claims. I'm calling Louis 137 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: because that's what the History Channel refers to him. As 138 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: we'll get to it. Uh, he claimed that not only 139 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: was Uncle Sam cognizant of these various instances of U 140 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: A P, but he claimed that they retrieved the Holy 141 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: Grail U ethology which would be physical evidence. He said 142 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: there were metal alloys and other materials the government had recovered. 143 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: According to the d O D. This program was ended 144 00:08:54,800 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve after five years. However, that's what 145 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: they said about the kind of investigations that took place 146 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: during Blue Book, and that was true for some of 147 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: the time, but not true for several years. So of 148 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: course you cannot blame people for saying they don't believe 149 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: the official line. And he said Alzando was an ex 150 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: government employee. He resigned from that program in October of 151 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, and he said he resigned in protests of 152 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: government secrecy, what he saw his opposition to the mission 153 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: of the program, and his personal belief that in both 154 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: the d D, the Pentagon, and the Halls of Congress, Uh, 155 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: this mission was not being taken seriously. He felt kind 156 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: of like maybe with someone's pet project, if that makes sense. Uh. 157 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: And then you know, he left the government. He said, 158 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: I don't like your mission. I'm going to a place 159 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: where I can find a real home, where I'm gonna 160 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: really gel with what this company and this service is 161 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: all about. Slab City City. No. He started working with 162 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: to the Stars Academy that if you're a listener of 163 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: this show, you may be familiar. If you're a listener 164 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: of the Joe Rogan experience, you're probably familiar. If you're 165 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: a listener of really important I might say early two 166 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: thousands of music, you may be familiar. UM to the 167 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: Stars Academy is the private UFO investigation group created by 168 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: created by Tom DeLong, who is currently also famous for 169 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: being a founding member of the bands Blink one A 170 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: D two. He is retired from Blink one A D two. However, 171 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: To the Stars Academy still is involved in the music business. 172 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: But I talked about this before we did. But and 173 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: you may think, oh wait, a U a UFO slash 174 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: u AP focused company created by a former musician. I 175 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: don't need to worry about that. They're never gonna do 176 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: anything groundbreaking. They've definitely done some some stuff, That's what 177 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying, because in uh, they kind of shocked to 178 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: the world. They shocked us. Yeah, and eighteen, to the 179 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: Stars Academy released a thirty second video of U S 180 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: Navy pilots encountering a UFO. This was different from many 181 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: similar instances of alleged UFO footage. Well, I say alleged 182 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: of UFO footage, because the some of the people who 183 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: were involved directly on the Navy's side confirmed that this 184 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: was legit, and you may remember the one. I mean 185 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: it was. It was remarkable as well, because it was 186 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: very clear that the pilots we're seeing something that was 187 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: very unusual, and the way they were commenting on it 188 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: really rang true. Yeah, and they had none of the 189 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: usual disadvantages that you'll see in a lot of UFO reports. 190 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: They were not on they were not on the ground, 191 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: they were not inexperienced, you know, they were familiar with 192 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: all the things it could be, and they couldn't answer 193 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: the question. This was one of those very small percentages 194 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: of UFO reports that did not have, even on the 195 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: very skeptical end, a satisfying answer. They're commenting about the 196 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: way it's moving. It's like a little blip on their radar, 197 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: like a bogey, right, and they're well, look at it, go, 198 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: look at it, flip, you know, like they're saying all 199 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: these things that these like very um firsthand um observations 200 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: from people that are experts in such things context exactly 201 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: then they did as well. Absolutely the footage was recorded 202 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: on the East coast of the United States in so 203 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: that's what happened. All of that is real. Those are 204 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: factual events. There's another factual thing we have to mention 205 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: here about Alesando and about To the Stars. That is, 206 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: despite the fact that these this footage is real, it's 207 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: been confirmed that thirty seconds actually happened. Despite all that, 208 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: there was still an enormous problem of credibility for both 209 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: Alesando and for To the Stars Academy itself. First, Alisando's 210 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: post government career has led to some criticism, both from 211 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: skeptics and from people who are more true believers in 212 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: the UFO community. And that's because you know, his life 213 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: didn't stop when his government paychecks stopped, if it ever did, 214 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: which is another theory about it. Alazando joined the cast 215 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: of a show on the History Channel called Unexplained. And 216 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: you know how those kinds of shows go on the 217 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: History Channel, uh, which is not a ding on them, 218 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: it's just very much on the entertainment side of the spectrum. Uh. 219 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: Think of George Sukalos, right. So this has prompted some 220 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: critics to imply or insinuate that his goal is to 221 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: turn a profit rather than to pursue the truth. But 222 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: to be fair, those two are not mutually exclusive. Yeah. 223 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: And there's the other point here that's been made before, 224 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: which is possibly this story kind of like as our 225 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: Twitter friend identified earlier, this concept of putting forth a 226 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: bit of disinformation to be a smoke screen or to 227 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: throw people off a track. Um we hopefully we'll talk 228 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: about a little bit later in the episode. Um not, 229 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: it could be that his motivations are not just profit, 230 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: there to purposefully put out bogus information. Ah yes, yeah, 231 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: but again that is complete speculation. Who knows his intentions. 232 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: What's tricky about that, though, is that even if he 233 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: comes out later and says I was working as a 234 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: disinfo agent, you know, shout out to dot net, I 235 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: was working as an agent miss or disinformation and I 236 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: am going to confess at all, What if he said 237 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: that in a tell all documentary you know that people 238 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: had to buy, then you wouldn't trust him again, right, 239 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: because you would still unless unless there is a harsh 240 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: air gap, a clear separation between profit and uh prescience 241 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: or prophetic figure, then people are always going to ask 242 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: that question. And it's a valid question to ask us 243 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: asking it is just us describing the lay of the land. 244 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: He's a guy we interview that like sold like UFO 245 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: Tours or something, or like UFO Vision Quests. Doctor Stephen Greer, right, 246 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: that you know, again, not throwing shade directly, but it 247 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: does call into question when your whole purpose for espousing 248 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: a certain belief is to sell quite expensive seminar packages. Yes, 249 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: but in the case of Elizondo, who knows how that 250 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to be on the History Channel came about. It 251 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: could have been a tremendous opportunity for him, uh, money wise, 252 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: while like we said, kind of while still pursuing the 253 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: truth and seeking the truth. We just have to keep 254 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: all of that stuff in mind as we as we 255 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: continue along. Here one last point, and it's something that 256 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: some of our fellow listeners will know, but many of 257 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: us may not be aware of this. A lot of 258 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: times when people end up being pundits or subject matter 259 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: experts on entertainment shows like that, they get in that 260 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: old uh they're they're in that old frog and slowly 261 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: but boiling water kind of thing. They meet some producers 262 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: who are maybe not ethical, who say, we believe in 263 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: your mission, we want to help you, and then along 264 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: the way they just slowly nudge them further and further 265 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: away from something that's more documentary or fact finding into 266 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: something that's more entertainment. There's also absolutely nothing preventing a 267 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: lot of those companies from taking someone's statement out of 268 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: context or even what's called frank in biting. And you, guys, 269 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: can you describe frank and biting for everyone? Yeah, it's 270 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: sort of like um, taking little syllables and snippets of 271 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: things people say. Uh. It's typically done in reality television 272 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: where you cut away from the person's visual and then 273 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: you hear the sound of their voice saying a thing 274 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: that sounds believable, but it's really just a snipped up 275 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: mishmash of different things they've said to give it a 276 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: certain meaning. And this is something you have to do 277 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: in true crime podcasts a lot where maybe a fact 278 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: is slightly wrong and you don't have your host in 279 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: to do a fix or something. You know that's that 280 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: Wou's a much more magnanimous version of of reason to 281 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: do this. Well, I guess what I'm saying is that 282 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,479 Speaker 1: concept of frank in biting. It's something you can do 283 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: with editing tools, whether in video or audio. That if 284 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: you have control or rights over the materials you have 285 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: has been said. There's very little anyone can do about that. 286 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: And it's not inherently nefarious, is what you're saying as well. 287 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: I mean you can do it to help the person 288 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: sound like they said the correct thing, and you could 289 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: argue still maybe there's some ethical gray area there if 290 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: they didn't really say it, maybe you should just you know, 291 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: find a different way to say it. But what's done 292 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: a lot of times in reality television where it is 293 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: more nefarious to actually have someone say something that they 294 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: didn't really say right. So, uh, A hopefully fictitious example 295 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: would be on a reality show. Let's say we have 296 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: someone who says so and so is my best friends. 297 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: I would never sleep with his wife. Uh, but I 298 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: love having this conversation because when I get to air 299 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: this out, we can dispel any rumors. And so the 300 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: producers could take that and just pull the words out 301 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: and they would say I love having sex with his wife, 302 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: and it would be smooth enough that if you didn't 303 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: know the situation, you would think, Wow, what a dirt 304 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: bag to say that, and you would never know that 305 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: they made one sentence out of like two or three. 306 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: We're just saying that can happen. That can happen. So maybe, uh, 307 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: maybe Alesando was in a situation like that. Maybe we're 308 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: being too hard on this. We just have to admit 309 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: those things can happen in the world of television. And 310 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: there's no denying that Alsando did incredibly important work and 311 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: may still be doing it right. But the problem with credibility, 312 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: or we should say, the criticisms of credibility, don't stop 313 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: with this individual. We're gonna pause for word from our 314 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: sponsors and then we'll turn our eyes briefly to the 315 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: Stars Academy. To the Stars Academy, not literally to the stars. 316 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. Let's continue with to the Stars. It 317 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: was originally launched as a record label, which is, you know, 318 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: that's a cool thing. Record labels are cool. They're not 319 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: quite as profitable as they once were, but you can 320 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: still do uh some great works with within one of 321 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: those Yes, that was um. Then you know, over time 322 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: it evolved into kind of a mixed media a more 323 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: general entertainment company. And you know, as of the time 324 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: that we're discussing here, they existed as a public benefit corporation. 325 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: Now that is a fun status to have, like a nonprofit. Uh, 326 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: they can still make money, so they're they're kind of 327 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: a corporation that in their charter and their mission statement 328 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: and their goals, they can list public benefit as one 329 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: of their goals in addition to stuff like making the 330 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: most money possible for shareholders. It's like a legal way 331 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: of saying we're we're the good guys. Uh. So they 332 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: did that. Now they they've published graphic novels, They've published books. 333 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: They've also, of course done a number of TV shows, films, 334 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: and still as a record label doing albums. Right. The 335 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: company is responsible at least partially for reinvigorating public interest 336 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: in U foes as well as serious, serious research on 337 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: the subject. I mean, even if someone's critical of them, 338 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: they can't take that away from them. They are they 339 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: are driving force that conversation. Elsando is, as we record, 340 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: still with to the Stars Academy. What's his official title? 341 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: According to the current website, he is the director of 342 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: Government Programs and Services and in Government Programs and Services, 343 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: So he's kind of like their government expert, their subject 344 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: matter expert, or government liaison. Yeah, and underneath that just 345 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: it's really interesting. They have the team a little tab 346 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: you can click on under that lists all of his 347 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 1: his background there just to let you know, like he 348 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: really has had a lot of experience. He does. He 349 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: has a wealth of experience. It's also weird because I've 350 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: seen it in different places on the website where he's 351 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: described as the director of Global Security and Special Programs. 352 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: So maybe that title has changed over time. But as 353 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: of March of the latest news from to the Stars 354 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: is that they have announced a partnership with an equity 355 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: firm Try Point Global Equities to sell shares in their organization. 356 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: And talking about investments in that way, it makes people 357 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: a little skittish, you know what I mean. Now you're 358 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: messing with the money. Uh more than one person has 359 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: learned the hard way that that's not the best idea. 360 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: Uh So it's weird. When you go to the I 361 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: want to see what you guys think about this. When 362 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: you go to the website to the Stars Academy dot com, 363 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: the first thing that comes up is invest now. You 364 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: have you have a menu button. You have a two 365 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: buttons on the landing page at say invest now, and 366 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: you have one that says play video. Minimum investment fifty 367 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: dollars price per share five dollars. Huh. Interesting. You know, 368 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: I don't like it to to the stars. I don't 369 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: like it seventy share minimum by it. But but that 370 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: that being said, Ben, if you go through that team, 371 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: the team that they've got down there, there's a dude 372 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: named Steve Justice, which, first of all, incredible names. Justice. 373 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: Come on, he's the chief Operations Officer, Aerospace Division director. 374 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: This dude he's retired, and he retired from skunk Works 375 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: at Lockheed. He worked there for thirty one years. Uh, 376 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: come on. If you're going to have somebody ear your 377 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: team that knows this kind of stuff, that's the guy 378 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: Steve Justice. And you know, I don't want to sound 379 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: too credulous or something, but if you look at especially 380 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: the board members, I get the sense that they're not 381 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: in it for the money, which I like, you know 382 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: what I mean, I think they're there. I can't say definitively, 383 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: but it feels like they're in it because they believe 384 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: in it. Dude. Yeah. Jim Simmonvan he spent twenty five 385 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: years as an operations officer for the Central Intelligence Agency, 386 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: the director of Operations, I mean, come on, that's yeah. 387 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that dudes in a throw of the money. 388 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: That guy's that guy's espion Hoge City and he's just like, 389 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: what's going on over here? Or did they infiltrate immediately 390 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: and Jim is the inside guy. I just don't. That's 391 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: the thing. I just don't. This is just my opinion. 392 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: There's just one person's opinion. I try to keep opinions 393 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: out out of the show, but I feel like people 394 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: never really leave the CIA. Yeah, I feel like you're 395 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: always maybe you're officially retired, but you're always kind of 396 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: on call, you know what I mean. I feel that way. 397 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: I feel like that's absolutely the way, especially if you're 398 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: at the top. But you know, I never officially been 399 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: in the CIA. Add to the problem of credibility for 400 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: the organization is that they have a they ever reported 401 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: multimillion dollar operating deficits, something like thirty seven point four 402 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: million dollars in the hole, and this leads people, especially 403 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: again people are already more on the skeptical side, to say, 404 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: like this is a money grab instead of an actual 405 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: legitimate enterprise. But again for the skeptics, they did get 406 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: ahold of a thirty second thirty six second video that 407 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: is legitimate that no one can explain, including the US government, 408 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: And the US government admitted it. So they did that. 409 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: That happened, right. It is weird to have a piece 410 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: of evidence like that that you know it's real. You're 411 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: sitting there, You're looking at you like, Okay, there's something here. 412 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: But I can't I can't prove that this is real. 413 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: I just it feels real, it looks real, it sounds real, 414 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: but is it real? So that's where we're at, folks. 415 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: Alzando confirmed a secret program. The Navy admitted it, and 416 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: while it was the most significant disclosure since the declassification 417 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: of Project Bluebook, at least in this country, nothing much 418 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: seems to have come from the claims. Yet that mysterious 419 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: footage remains unexplained. The pilots went on record confirming stuff 420 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: they couldn't explain. They made their own guesses. But then 421 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: the story just sort of stopped. So that's the end, Right, 422 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: We're done with this episode. I'll finished, or are we? 423 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: You see this January? The Navy had something else to say, 424 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: and we'll tell you what it was. After a word 425 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, infuriating here's where it gets crazy. So 426 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: in January of not too long ago at all. UH 427 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: independent researcher Christopher lamb Right got a response to his 428 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: fo I requests Freedom of Information Act requests seeking more 429 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: information on the strange sighting by Navy pilots that we 430 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: discussed earlier, the episode that it took place on November 431 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: four of two thousand and four. UM. What he was 432 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: looking for, specifically was more information on the video footage 433 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: and some presentation slides from the Office of Naval Intelligence. Yeah, 434 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: the Navy shut him down. People who know who, who 435 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: are familiar with the FOIL request, they can take forever. 436 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: You know, often don't get the results you want, right 437 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: and the Navy. The Navy came back with with a 438 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: line that we really like the wave. VICE reported this. 439 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: We have we have a quote. So here's what the 440 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: Navy said. So the Navy said it had quote discovered 441 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: certain debriefing slides that are classified top secret. Of review 442 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: of these materials indicates that they are currently inappropriately marked 443 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: and classified top secret under Executive Order one three five 444 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: to six, and the original classification authority has determined that 445 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: the release of these materials would cause exceptionally grave damage 446 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: to the national security of the United States. Let's stop 447 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: right there. I think about that exceptionally grave damage to 448 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: national security? What the hell is on these slides? What's 449 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: in that footage? Right? Why is it exceptionally grave? Does 450 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: that imply that regular grave was fine? You know what 451 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: I mean? So so VICE followed up and asked about 452 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: this denial, and that's when Pentagon spokesperson Susan go elaborated 453 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: a little and she said, the Department of Defense, specifically 454 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: the U S. Navy has the video quote like the 455 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: full video, because there's more than that thirty six seconds. Apparently, 456 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: as Navy and my office have stated previously, as the 457 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: investigation of U a P Unidentified Aerial phenomenal sightings is ongoing, 458 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: we will not publicly discuss individual sighting reports observations. However, 459 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: I can tell you that the date of the two 460 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: thousand four us S NIMITS video is November two thousand four, 461 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: so I could tell you the date. Uh. I can 462 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: also tell you the length of the video that's been 463 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: circulating since two thousand seven is the same as the 464 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: length of the source video. We don't expect to release 465 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: this video, but everybody else involved directly has said that 466 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: they there's an eight to nine minute or even longer video. 467 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: And then additionally, some of the I don't know, it 468 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: gets sticky, like what what are they hiding? That's the question, 469 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: because they didn't really say, they just said it's secret. 470 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: It could be exceptionally dangerous to national security and favorite boogeyman. 471 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: But what I mean, what do we think a lot 472 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: of people are. There's a lot of conjecture about this, 473 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: and it feels like a lot of it is pretty solid, 474 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: at least valid understandable. Oh yeah, it feels it feels 475 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: very solid. I was reading another link a political article 476 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: that we had used for the research of this show, 477 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: just kind of going back over it right now. It 478 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: was from September of nineteen and in this case it's 479 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: a Republican House Homeland Security Committee member. He's actually the 480 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: ranking member of the Intelligence and counter Terrorism Subcommittee, and 481 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: he was asking specifically about some of these sightings, about 482 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: some of these things. And the quote that comes at 483 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,719 Speaker 1: the end of this article from Walker from Representative Walker says, quote, 484 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: if the Navy believes that China or Russia possesses advanced 485 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: aerospace technologies that represent a national security vulnerability, the American 486 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: people have the right to know what their government is 487 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: doing about it. So then they're saying that if there 488 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: is a if if this is a mundane thing and 489 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: there's some kind of let's say defense or war uh 490 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: war draft gap, then the public needs to know about it. Yeah, 491 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: if they're if they're really saying, you know, as they've 492 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: stated there, this could have this grave damage to national security. Um, 493 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: it's it either means that somebody else has some kind 494 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: of technology that's dangerous to us, or means we have 495 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: some kind of insane technology that it would be dangerous 496 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: if other countries knew we had it, right, I mean, 497 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: they would like preemptively strike or something, or they would 498 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: there be a retaliation, or it would just be less useful. Yeah, 499 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: it was that would be less of the element of surprise. 500 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: I got any Oh, in the third option, there is 501 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: that there's some kind of outside exterior force that is 502 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: a danger to all of humanity, which is the most 503 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: exciting one, though the least likely. Right, questions are exciting 504 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: when you do what we do. If you are on 505 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: the front lines of trying to keep people from dying, 506 00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: then questions rightly should terrify you. So worst case scenarios 507 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: they don't know what it is at all. Uh, So 508 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: you know, people have plenty of people have speculated that 509 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: there is more footage, right, and that's what was being denied. Um. 510 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: Popular Mechanics had multiple witnesses from the NIEMTS incident who 511 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: said that they definitely saw something that was much longer 512 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: and a lot more clear, higher resolution, which you guys 513 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: as editors, taught me a long time ago as one 514 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: of the trickiest things about a lot of at least 515 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: the video stuff. Uh. You know, that resolution once you 516 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: get past, once you get to a certain degradation, it 517 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what it is because the answer is moot. 518 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: But we are talking about two thousand four technology on 519 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: an aircraft. True. Uh, There's there's something else that I 520 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: want to put in a that's been reported in a 521 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: couple of different places. Witnesses said that after the incident, 522 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: shortly after the incident, unidentified people who had some kind 523 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: of credential showed up in a helicopter and took the footage, 524 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: just swooped it up. And still those people have not 525 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: been tied to any official government agency. But not everyone agrees, 526 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, they're There are also people who witnessed it 527 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: who said, clearly what I saw was not of this world. 528 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: You know, and they you know, they're again they're educated 529 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: and observation, they've seen the physics, and they're saying, you 530 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: just can't do a forty five degree move like that. 531 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: But there are other people who are more skeptical, like 532 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,239 Speaker 1: Commander David Fraber said, you know, longer videos of this 533 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: incident don't exist. I would have heard them. People are 534 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: being alarmist. But no matter how you slice it, no 535 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: matter where you fall on the spectrum, the answer is 536 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: simply this. There is more to the story. The Navy 537 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: is not letting it out. They say it's dangerous. There's 538 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: literally stuff they don't want you to know. Yes, yes, yeah, 539 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: Why would there not be long or video? In what? 540 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: In what version of this would there not be longer video? 541 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: The only way is if somebody hit record on a 542 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: device and then hit record again after thirty seconds where 543 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: it stopped recording. Do we have a story as to 544 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: how they got hold of the video in the first place? 545 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: I think that is that is probably classified within the 546 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 1: halls of To the Stars Academy. Well from what I remember, 547 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: and this comes back from some of our conversations with 548 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: other people in the environment. From what I remember, Tom 549 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: Delong's account was that he had met with people surreptitiously 550 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: in like hotel rooms and stuff, and that someone slid 551 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: him the tape through un official channels. So it's definitely 552 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: a leak. I mean, maybe it's just the best, the 553 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: good part, you know. Yeah, But see, this is why 554 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: it screams dis info to me. It screams dis info 555 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: to me because it is this tiny, little tantalizing snippet 556 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: that was given to Tom DeLong in a hotel somewhere 557 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: by someone I don't know. And after all, I mean 558 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: it because of the nature of the resolution of the footage, 559 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 1: you could certainly fake a video like that pretty easily 560 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 1: with plug ins and you know, just downgrading the video 561 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: quality or doing any number of things. I'm pretty terrible 562 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: at it, and I'm confident that I could make it 563 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: because the voice you just hear the voices. You don't 564 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: even see their faces. You just see like a static 565 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: shot from within the cockpit, right, Yeah, it's it's the 566 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: observational um camera. I guess that they're using the equivalent 567 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: of like a like a dash cam and like a 568 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: uber or something kind of but they've got a hood 569 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: and it is a really or heads up display, and 570 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: it is a really sophisticated system. It's just you know, 571 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: with an Adobe suite, you could you could recreate all 572 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: Another interesting thing about that, why is there just the video? 573 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: Because those they don't just have a camera slapped in 574 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: front of the jet fighters. They have multiple monitoring systems. 575 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: There's a suite, so I would be interested in seeing 576 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: any other onboard sensor reports. Yeah, I mean, it's way 577 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: less sexy than a video, but it would go a 578 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: long way towards helping explain what this was. It would 579 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,959 Speaker 1: be better data at least, I mean because surely there, 580 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: if it's locking in on this bogey or whatever, there 581 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: would be a record of its trajectory and the way 582 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: it moved and stuff, and you should be able to 583 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: generate a report on that, I would imagine, right, Yeah, absolutely. 584 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: And here's another thing that's a little screwy about this. 585 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: The Pentagon repeatedly changed its story since the original exposure 586 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: past the point of fog of war or miscommunication internally, right, 587 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: which can totally happen. That can totally happen. Sometimes agencies 588 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: can just be wrong about what their message is but 589 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: as recently as last month, the Pentagon said that a 590 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: tip had nothing to do with UFOs what we would 591 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: call UFOs. Alizondo has said that he is quote not 592 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: able to comment further on the existence of a longer 593 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: video due to my obligations involving my n d A 594 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: nondisclosure agreement with the government and the fact that I 595 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: am no longer employed with the US government. However, he follows, 596 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: as I stated before, people should not be surprised by 597 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: the revelation that other videos exist and at a greater length. 598 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: So to unpack that, he said, I can't. I guess 599 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: what he's trying to do is skirt the line of 600 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: n d A and say, well, I can't say if 601 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 1: there's a longer version of this video that we're talking about, 602 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 1: But I can say you shouldn't be surprised if other 603 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,399 Speaker 1: longer videos exist, which is, you know, uh, that can 604 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: make a pretty good meal for lawyers, you know what 605 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: I mean? If that ever, that would be interesting in 606 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: the courtroom, you know. Uh, So so there we go. 607 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: I mean, what, what what do you all think? I 608 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: don't know about you guys. I would I would say 609 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: one of two things are most likely one, Like you said, Matt, 610 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: maybe there's an a rival military that has some kind 611 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: of maybe like a sub launched nuke or missile that 612 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 1: has some previously unknown abilities, or maybe there's something that 613 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: the US did observing this stuff and they don't want, 614 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: like to your point about the element of surprise, and 615 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: maybe they don't want rival militaries to know just how 616 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: they how good they are monitoring things like That's the 617 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: reason a lot of intelligence was classified in the years 618 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: before Five Eyes was public knowledge. Yeah, hiding the surveillance technology. 619 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: So are they hiding there's technology? Are they hiding someone 620 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 1: else's what's going on? Something else's, something else's Yeah, we 621 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,839 Speaker 1: want to hear from you tell us if you think 622 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: it's some kind of new sophisticated uh ua V technology, 623 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: because well, it looks like like it was probably a 624 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: smaller craft, but it did look odd in that video. 625 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I for a while there I was 626 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: convinced it was some kind of drone. Right. The shape 627 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: of it is almost like got that triangular kind of 628 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: vibe to it, right, Yeah, but odd, very odd. Quick 629 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: question you guys to derail and take us into the 630 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: spet realm of speculative fiction. Have you guys seen the 631 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: trailer for the new season of West World yet? Yes, 632 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: I think it looks awesome. Okay, you don't think so, 633 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: you seem yeah, no, I think so. I'm why did 634 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: you say that with a big question mark at the end. 635 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: I am looking forward to it, and it's coming out. 636 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: It will be out by the time this episode released. 637 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: The show will yeah, okay, but I just I just 638 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: like that it's in the real world and it's like 639 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, and it's got all these crazy max and 640 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: drones and stuff, and we haven't really seen much of 641 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: that in the show up until now. I'm excited. And 642 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: it's got Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad, which I'm whatever. 643 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: His name is the real actor, guy, Aaron Paul. That's it. 644 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: He's He's fantastic. Look, this show is not brought to 645 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: you by west World or HBO or any of the 646 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: other things that we mentioned today Tom DeLong, at least 647 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 1: Angels and at least at the time that we're recording it. However, 648 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: maybe one day in the future you will hear a 649 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: west World add on this episode in your mind will 650 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,439 Speaker 1: be blown. If we're still around, I mean, who knows, 651 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: how are we going to become a quote grave threat 652 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: to national security. I hope not extraordinarily grave threat. I 653 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: gotta I gotta ask you guys. You know how Tom 654 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: DeLong had a very distinct vocal style as one of 655 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: the singers of link Wanity two Let's six call a 656 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: little nasally, I guess you know. So the guy that 657 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: replaced him in the band, who was in the band 658 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: Alcohol and Trio, he does like a perfect copy of that, 659 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: And how how do you? How do you do that 660 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: and live with yourself? Like he's just totally doing his 661 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: best DeLong impression. It's probably, I mean, it's cool to 662 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: be a working musicians, probably living with himself all the 663 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: way to the bank. Maybe yeah, Or maybe he already 664 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: got picked because he's naturally sings like that. Maybe, so 665 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: it's sort of like Peter Gabriel versus Phil Collins. You know, 666 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: Phil Collins was the drummer for Genesis and sang all 667 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: the backups, and then when he took Peter's place as 668 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: the lead singer, he sounds just like Peter. But it's 669 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: because they kind of came up singing together. So maybe 670 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: it's not as rip off the as I think. I 671 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: quite enjoyed seeing them live. The drummer Travis Barker is 672 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: a monster. Oh yeah, Travis Barker has that invisible touch too, 673 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I'm I'm excited that you're excited. 674 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: Well thanks man. So everyone, if you can hear this, 675 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: please reach out to us on Twitter or Facebook where 676 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: we're conspiracy stuff, or let's say Instagram where we're conspiracy stuff. 677 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: Show tell us what you think about this serious UFO 678 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: slash u AP program that was occurring there, about this 679 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: specific k of some kind of unidentified aerial phenomena, and um, 680 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: what you think about this whole possibility that there's a 681 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: longer video out there somewhere. Have you seen it? Can 682 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: send it? Yeah, that's exactly what's gonna ask. Send it 683 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: our way if you any of those channels if you'd like, 684 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,439 Speaker 1: or hey, you can give us a phone call and 685 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: tell us all about it. Our number is one eight 686 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: three three st d W y t K. Leave a message. 687 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: We will hear you. And oh hey, guess what, it's 688 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: that special time we are going to hear the latest 689 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 1: message that has come in. Just pulling it up right here, 690 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: all right, Hey, guys, I just wanted to say I'm 691 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: a huge fan of the show. Well what you guys do, 692 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: keep up the good work. And uh and here's my 693 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: bend bowling impression, right, m hmm. Thanks whoa that one. 694 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: That one was unexpected. Ben your thoughts, You're fine, nailed it, 695 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,800 Speaker 1: Thanks so much many spot On. We found out some 696 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 1: somewhere on the Internet that people do a drinking game 697 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 1: based on our various idiosyncrasies. What's what's uh? So, what's yours? 698 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,359 Speaker 1: Do you know? Is it? Is it that? Yeah? Wait? 699 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: What's knowles? Knowles? Is funny question and yours is? But 700 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: what if? Okay, I thought mine would have been using 701 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: the words situation. I say that a lot, right, say, like, 702 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: you know it's a UFO type situation or a paper 703 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: cup type situation. You know, I could see that maybe 704 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: randomly bringing you up an HBO show that was not random, 705 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: that was drone based. Okay, that was very aproate drone 706 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: get it? I thought it was there, but awesome. Yeah, 707 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: And if you have if you have thoughts, if you 708 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: have full video, if you have more insight into to 709 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: the stars, U A P or U f O, let 710 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: us know. If you hate social media, that's fine. We 711 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: totally get uh, and if you hate phones, that's fine. 712 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: I get it as well. We have one last way 713 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 1: to contact us, other than midnight at a crossroad. Send 714 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: us an email directly. We are conspiracy at iHeart radio 715 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: dot com. Stuff they don't want you to know is 716 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: a production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts from 717 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: my heart Radio, visit the i heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, 718 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.