1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: for tuning in. The rumors are true. It is summer one. 4 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: And when you when you think of summer, you know 5 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: here in the US, there are certain things that come 6 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: to mind. One of those things is the traditional image 7 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: of the enterprising kid opening the lemonade stand. Hi, I'm Ben. 8 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: That's our super producer Max Williams. And hey, hey, I 9 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: gotta ask you, no, do you ever have a lemonade stand? No? 10 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: I didn't, but I mean, you know, I think the 11 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: classic image that pops into one's head it has to 12 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: be made of very hastily assembled planks, you know, that 13 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: are like nailed together very precariously, and that could collapse 14 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: at any moment. Of course, that certainly isn't the modern 15 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: lemonade stand. It's probably more of like a card table situation, 16 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: perhaps like a piece of paper taped to the front 17 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: that says lemonade. You know, what's the inflation rate on lemonade? 18 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: What does a glass of lemonade go for in modern times? 19 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: Dollar two dollars? Uh? You know it's interesting you ask, 20 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: because I think for I'm sure the price has changed 21 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: when kids are doing it over time, but I also 22 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: imagine you can make quite a hefty profit from lemonade 23 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: because the recipe is simple. It's lemons, water and then sugar. Right. Yeah, 24 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: but you know, I feel like people need a little 25 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: more of these days. You got your basil lemonades, it 26 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: got your raspberry lemonades, you know, blueberry limits. I feel 27 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: like kids these days got to take it a step further. 28 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: If you've read basil lemonade, by the way, it's it's 29 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: a weird one, but I dig it. I've made basil lemonade. Uh. 30 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: I went through a heavy lemonade phase a few years 31 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: ago that lasted for about a year. And that's where 32 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: I learned from an old dear friend the secret of 33 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: using a gove a nectar in pictus of sugar. It's 34 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: secret super super smooth, and I myself had when I 35 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: was a kid, I did make a lemonade stand, but 36 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: I had all kinds of at all kinds of hustles, 37 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: and most of the most of the people in my 38 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: neighborhood who were who were by now our lemonade was 39 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: because it was a group effort. Most of those folks 40 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: were like the folks who frequent lemonade stands whenever they 41 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: see them. They just wanted to reward some kids for 42 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: being go getters, you know what I mean. So, if 43 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: I'm honest with you, I feel like a lot of 44 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: people bought our lemonade and may didn't drink it. Our 45 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: prices were competitive to I'll admit that I appreciate that. 46 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: And that's the thing that you're right Ben about the 47 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: idea of the classic American lemonades, Dan, it almost represents 48 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: the entrepreneurial spirit of this country, you know, And it 49 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: honestly has its roots in that, and especially specifically, one 50 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: of the most famous young enterprising lemonade uh lads was 51 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: a young immigrant. And we will get to that in 52 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: due time. But first of all, I want to ask, Ben, 53 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: do you know what a citron is? I only just 54 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: recently kind of put together the image of what this 55 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: fruit is and the name. Yeah, it's It can be 56 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: confusing because citron is a kind of tree that bears 57 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: fruit that look They look a lot like lemons, but 58 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: they have some they have some important differences. The two 59 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: biggest differences are if I recall correctly that the citron 60 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: is more fragrant, and it's a little bit less acidic. 61 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: I want to say, is that correct? I think that's right. Um. 62 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: It's definitely a barlier looking fruit too. It's got all 63 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: these kind of wrinkles and ripples on the skin, and 64 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: the rind is a lot thicker and more hearty, let 65 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: us say, but it is kind of the o g 66 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: citrus fruit. And it's something that you would even see 67 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: in like ancient Roman murals, right um. And and and 68 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: easy to confuse for lemons because lemons probably originated in 69 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: India or China or somewhere in that neck of the 70 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: global woods, as you would say, ben um. But you know, 71 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: we do see images of lemons or lemon like citrus 72 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: fruits and some of these Roman murals as well. And 73 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing because the lemon on its own 74 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's kind of like what do you 75 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: do with it? It's so sour, it's I know, some 76 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: people enjoy probably sucking on a lemon, as Tommy York 77 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: would say, but in general they work best when you 78 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: pair them with other things, whether it should be a 79 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: cocktail or using it to kind of like, um, add 80 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: a little acidity to a dish or adding a heck 81 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: of a lot of sugar and making what has become 82 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: known as lemonade. Yeah, yeah, it's it's actually it's an 83 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: ancient practice. We know relatively little about the origin other 84 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: than things we can piece together, like the fact that 85 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: the earliest proven human cultivation of the lemon tree was 86 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: probably in medieval Arabia. So that's where if we were 87 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: saying lemonade, like actual lemonade instead of you know, citronade 88 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: or whatever, that's where this occurred. And you know, I 89 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: was searching for the phrase for this snol. It's Norman 90 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: Rockwell esque here in the US, the idea of the 91 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: lemonade stand. I also want to give a shout out 92 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: to h some of the sources we're gonna be using today, 93 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: and a very special shout out to our two part 94 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: series on pink lemonade. Uh. All I remember is the 95 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: second when the Rise of the clown paths. Yeah, check 96 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: that out. Please do check it out. But just that's 97 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: gonna something along the lines of that story is going 98 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: to come around and today's story as well. Yeah, and 99 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: we're doing this with the help of History Extra dot com. 100 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: We've got some great mental Floss articles as well. One 101 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: of these that stood out especially was Greg Jenner's who 102 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: invented lemonade. So we're going to be pulling from these 103 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: and a few other fantastic sources. We may even run 104 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: into a couple of recipes for lemonade, no promises. We'll 105 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: see where the day takes us. And in a stunning, 106 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: um sort of full circle type situation, I think we've 107 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: got a couple of house stuff works articles on here 108 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: as well from the from the good old Days. And 109 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: one of my favorites too is the Battle against Lemonade 110 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: stand Crackdowns Three Arrests on Lemonade Freedom Day by Alexander A. 111 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: Bad Santos from the Atlantic. We'll just tease it with 112 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: that title and then we'll get to it in due time. 113 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: But you're right then, I mean, the practice of making 114 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: a sweetened citrus based drink goes back to I believe 115 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: ancient Egypts during the Crusades at the very least, if 116 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: not earlier. Right, we know that's when um, a lot 117 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: of Europeans may have encountered this, and you know, people 118 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: were trying to figure out what goes well with lemon 119 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: for a long time. They had a couple of things 120 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: that we may look back on as missteps. Perhaps one 121 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: of the best is, as Jennera mentions in Tudor, England, 122 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: when lemon juice was used for a drink that we 123 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't recognize lemon ad today. It was called water Imperial. 124 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: It was a cordial and uh, you know, so it's 125 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: as you can tell, it's got lemon juice, it's got water. 126 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: It's also got cream of tartar, and people drink less 127 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: because they've felt it at a curative effect. What is 128 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: cream of tartar is supposed to do? I've seen that 129 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: in the spice rack section of the grocery store, but 130 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: I've never quite fully understood what you're supposed to use 131 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: it for. Uh, it is usually the main use I 132 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: know for it today is to stabilize whipped egg whites, 133 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: and then it can also stop sugar from crystallizing. But 134 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: stiff peaks, stiff peinks, so like the it's one of 135 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: those things. Honestly, you know, I cooked a lot, we 136 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: both cooked pretty frequently. Cream of tartar is one of 137 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: those things that I've just had and maybe used once 138 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: a year or something. I'm never I'm never having. Oh, no, 139 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: we've got to get to the store before it closes. 140 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: I'm almost a cream of tartar moments. Nothing to do 141 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: with tartar sauce. I imagine completely separate things or or now, 142 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: uh funny enough separate things. Tartar sauce doesn't have any 143 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: cream of tartar. Instead, Tartar sauce is named after the 144 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: tar Her family, and it's basically gend up mayonnaise. It's 145 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: just mayonnaise with like pickle chunks in it, like mayon 146 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: aids and relish mixed together. Is essentially what tartars and 147 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: I like it. I don't really like those things separately, 148 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: but I do like a good McDonald's fish filet sandwich, 149 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: excuse me, filet o fish sandwich every now and again. 150 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: So so yeah, uh, everybody has their own taste, and 151 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: some people were with some people were honestly digging water imperials. 152 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: But along the way, by the mid sixteen hundreds, various 153 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: people in London and elsewhere had started using sweet lemon 154 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: juice mixed with honey and water as a beverage. And 155 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: they but they didn't necessarily make it on their home soil. 156 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: They imported it from France and by six hundred. France, 157 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: there was this huge um. I guess we would call 158 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: them pop up stores. ROW mean lemonaders, right or lemon 159 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I don't know. I wish Casey Pegram was 160 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: here tell us out with that, but yeah, Lemonators would 161 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: probably be the Americanized pronunciation, and lemon ideas because it's 162 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: spelled l I m O n A d i e 163 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: r s. Sounds like a little more of the Francophone pronunciation. 164 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: There's a really great mental philost article called the Surprisingly 165 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: Disgusting History of Lemonade Stands, which is a good tease. 166 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: And if you've heard the Pink Lemonade episode, I think 167 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: you know what we're inching towards. But you're right, it was. 168 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: It was even taking a step further, right, because I mean, 169 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: France is where the whole cabaret scene kind of really 170 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: started to take off, and you know, the Mulan Rouge 171 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: and all of that stuff with burlesque dancers and just 172 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: all of this kind of showmanship. And you would see 173 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: boozy versions of these sold in some of these uh, 174 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: these cabaret theaters. Yeah, a light refreshing drink that also 175 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: gives you a light arguably refreshing is and uh this 176 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: they did sell more than just just this like predecessor 177 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: of Mike's Hard lemonade. But they got known for this 178 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: because it was a popular like novelty drink, and it 179 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: became it became so popular that eventually everybody who sold 180 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: it was able to get together and start a union 181 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: called the name would translate to the Company of Lemonade Deers. 182 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: And this is coming from Carrie Tatro in our own 183 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: House of Works article Fastening History of Lemonade. Yeah, and 184 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: and then there's another mention that article about I believe something. 185 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: We've also done an episode on how it might have 186 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: been part of a list I can't remember, um, but 187 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: a list episode. But it was the idea that Parisians, 188 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: at least they believed helped fend off the plague because 189 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: of all of the lemons that they were consuming, uh 190 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: in in this lemonade, because it was like a dose 191 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: of vitamin C that supposedly gave you ammuno boost kind 192 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: of you know, which is still definitely a thing that 193 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: we know vitamins C to do. It turns out that 194 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: it was more the fact that lemon peels have a 195 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: substance in it that can kill flea larva and also 196 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: adult fleas. So the more lemonade people drank, the more 197 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: of these discarded lemon peels were around, the more the 198 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: rats eighth lemon peels, and they ingested this chemical called 199 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: lemon eine that killed the fleas and their eggs. So 200 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't that it was giving them some kind of 201 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: magical immuno boost, even though it does a little bit, 202 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: certainly not enough to fend off the bubonic plague. It 203 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: was more that it was killing the source of the plague, 204 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: which was those uh, those fleas. Yeah. And it's interesting 205 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: because the idea of citrus fruit as curative in any case, 206 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: it's it's a long held belief in this part of 207 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: the world, even though it wasn't until what about seventeen 208 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: fifty three or so when Jane Lend from the Royal 209 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: Navy figured out that you could treat scurvy with citrus. 210 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: The point is they were onto something. Yes, they didn't 211 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: know quite what it was yet, right exactly, and so 212 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: then we have things like, um, you know, fast forward 213 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: a little while, we have the addition of fizziness and 214 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: the in seventeen sixty seven, and then that goes all 215 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: the way back to Schwepps if you remember the fizzy 216 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: drink that's still around to day. Swept started in seventeen ninety. 217 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: Eventually we get to what we call the era of 218 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: lemonade stands. By the eighteen thirties, fizzy lemonade from Schwebbs 219 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: was pretty available around Europe, and so you wouldn't see 220 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: as many European lemonade stands. But if we go to 221 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds, we see that lemonade has made its 222 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: way across as the Atlantic to what we recognize as 223 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: the United States today. Yeah, throughout the eighteen hundreds, UM, 224 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: we started to see more references, if a little bit 225 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: few and far between, in you know, news reporting. Right. 226 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: For example, the New York Times has mentioned of a 227 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: lemonade stand at a quote Ladies fair that took place 228 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: in October of eighteen thirty nine, pulling some of these 229 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: stats and details from that Mental Floss article once again, UM, 230 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: including one mentioning eighteen fifty three when a woman um 231 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: supposedly was operating a lemonade stand in Cincinnati. And hey, 232 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: this is also kind of like a very close connection 233 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: to our episode on Mashers and Wolf whistles. Right. Um, 234 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: this woman running the stand in Cincinnati really stuck it 235 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: to these two men that were kind of cat calling her, 236 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: and she actually tore one of their coat tails off. 237 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: She's referred to them as a rowdy, which is definitely 238 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: seems like a progenitor of the masher. Uh. Then we 239 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: have one in eighteen seventy three Cornell University where a 240 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: young student was using a lemonade stand to help pay 241 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: college tuition in the student hall by setting up his 242 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: own independently operated lemonade stand in the in the student hall. Yeah, 243 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: and I fellow ridiculous historians, you will notice something interesting 244 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: with those two examples. It's part of a larger pattern. 245 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: While we associate lemonade stands largely with children today, when 246 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: it when it first came into vogue in the US, 247 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: it was very much an adult business, and it was 248 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: it was a serious one and had the support at 249 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: times of teetotalers, people who abstaining from alcohol and don't 250 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: want anyone else drinking booze. And they they would say 251 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: lemonade is a great alternative to a cold beer. And 252 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: ever since The New York Times first referenced lemonade being 253 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: sold in Wisconsin in eighteen seventy nine, we saw lemonade 254 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: stands popping up like everywhere around New York City. Starbucks 255 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: had nothing on them. There was cell cups of lemonade 256 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: for a nickel each. And eventually, as heat waves came on, 257 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: people found that these lemonade stands were starting to out 258 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: sell bars and soda fountains because they had almost zero overhead. 259 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: You know, they didn't have to pay property taxes, they 260 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: didn't have to pay building fees or you know, upkeeper 261 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: maintenance for a building, and they were able to pass 262 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: those savings on as the old business saying goes to 263 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: the consumer. So if you went to a store and 264 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: you went to a bar or whatever, and you said, hey, 265 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a glass eliminade, it might be as 266 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: much as fifteen cents. But if you went outside and 267 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: just found somebody with a lemonade stand, uh, then they 268 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: would have it for five cents. Uh No, No, what 269 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: dates yet on whether or not you got to keep 270 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: the cup. That probably varied place to place. Yeah, totally. 271 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing that probably would come a 272 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: little later in terms of like really upping it, upping 273 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: their game with like a commemorative cup that you could 274 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: take with you. But this whole idea of selling low 275 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: overhead refreshments is certainly something as American as apple pie 276 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: or lemonade um. But we have an example of this 277 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: kind of disgusting history of lemonade um. If you'll recall 278 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: in the pink Lemonade episode, there were a couple of 279 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: competing theories as to where the pink lemonade come from 280 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: came from, and one of them involved I believe it 281 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: was a circus where the lemonade seller ran out of 282 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 1: fresh water and so instead used the water that the 283 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: clowns and acrobats were using to rinse their tights. Uh 284 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: and be because the clowns had red tights or pants 285 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: that die colored the water um pink. And then obviously 286 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: the sugar and the lemons were added in, which probably 287 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: cuts the uh the putrid nous of that clown pants water, 288 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: but still can't imagine it tasted particularly refreshing. So we 289 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: have a similar case of this. I can't quite remember 290 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: what year that story took place, but this one was 291 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: in the eighteen sixties in New York, when, of course 292 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: immigrants were making their way to this country. Through Ellis 293 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: Island on New York and people were looking to make 294 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: a buck off of these weary travelers. Right. Yeah, So 295 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: instead of buying you know, fresh lemons, a good quantity 296 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: of sugar and then makes you know, you know, with 297 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: clean potable water instead, uh, these unscrupulous folks would fill 298 00:18:55,080 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: up whatever dirty container they had with water, lasses and vinegar, 299 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: and then to make it appear like it was a 300 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: little bit closer to lemonade, they would take sliced leftover 301 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: lemon rinds and and sprinkle them across this the top. 302 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: So for some this is interesting because it means that 303 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: for some early immigrants to the country, the literally the 304 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: first thing they tried in their new homeland would have 305 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: been this terrible vinegar sugar water. But lucky, luckily, that's luckily. 306 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: That's um just one bad example, and there are plenty 307 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: of other very scrupulous lemonade dealers. If you if you 308 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: ever sold lemonade as a kid, which you know now 309 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: is kind of acute, relatively archaic thing I could I 310 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: could argue you might be interested to know that you 311 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: owe a lot of your inspiration to a kid named 312 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: Edward bok Bokay. He is the first American child that 313 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: we know of so far to have sold lemonade and uh. 314 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: And he also was an immigrant. He came over from 315 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: the Netherlands, right, yeah, that's right. Back in particular when 316 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: when he was hanging out um near his home in Brooklyn, 317 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: he would go towards Coney Island, which has changed some, 318 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: but there's still some lovely charming qualities of Coney Island 319 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: that are probably very much the same as they were 320 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: in Box day. And he noticed that some of the wealthier, 321 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: you know folks were riding around these horse drawn carriages 322 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: and that the men would make the children and the 323 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: women wait in the hot summer sun, you know, inside 324 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: these carriages while they would go inside to get a 325 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: cocktail or you know, a highball or whatever at the 326 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: cigar shop. And he thought this was odd. He found 327 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: this little unusual and was like, you know what'm I 328 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: bet you they're thirsty. And so he looked at this 329 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: as an end to make a little cash. So he 330 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: got himself a pail, a bucket, not a filthy one 331 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: like the folks that were targeting, you know, people like 332 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: Bok at the at Ls Island at the port. And 333 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: he attached three like hooks to the side and three glasses, 334 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: and he would fill the bucket up. And when the 335 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: horses stopped and the men went out, he would offer 336 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: the women and children, uh, glasses of cold ice water, 337 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: um for one cent a glass. Uh. So what are 338 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: we talking here, Ben? This is in the eighteen seventies. 339 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: What is a penny in eighteen seventies dollars amount to today? 340 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: That should help us determine the inflation for what maybe 341 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: a good price for a glass of lemonade would be today? 342 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: Can I get a booph you do? Actually, until let's 343 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: let's put a slight pause on fleation calculator. Uh, it 344 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: will will rerework some of the metrics. That's all right 345 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: with everybody. Let's we know that he made thirty cents total, 346 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: right for every paler page. So, uh, he went through 347 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: a lot of pails thirty cents in eighteen seventy. Now 348 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: let's run it. It is worth about six dollars and 349 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: sixteen cents today. That's a kind of inflation. But he's like, 350 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: you know, he's he could make a pretty a pretty 351 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: hefty amount of cash, especially for a kid. I know. 352 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a bummer that we don't 353 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: quite know how many, what size these glasses were, and 354 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: what size the bucket was. That would probably help us 355 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: a little bit more inflation math, But I think that 356 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: gets us about where we need to be. You can 357 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: imagine if he was working his butt off, he could 358 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: probably go through quite a few pails in a day, 359 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: right true, especially on like a Saturday when it's hot out. 360 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: He you know, he had his head in the game. 361 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: He's a smart kid. But he had a lot of 362 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: people following his lead, and soon he was not the 363 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: only water boy at the at the spot. And so 364 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: as these competitors started eating into his turf and his profits, 365 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: he decided he was going to do something a little different, 366 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: and he began selling a version of lemonade, just squeezing 367 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: lemon juice into the water, adding sugar to make it palatable. 368 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: And then he would sell this for three cents of glass. 369 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: Oh now we're talking so now we're talking like nineties 370 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: cents for every pale yes of of this. This this 371 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: delicious beverage. What do you think he got the idea? Ben? 372 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: Do you think he was like getting inspiration from somewhere. 373 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: Surely he wasn't aware of the ancient Egyptians or or 374 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: the lemonade craze in France. A kid of his age 375 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: where I wonder where he got the idea. He probably 376 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: saw it around. He probably saw the other people were 377 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: doing it, and they just weren't doing it at the 378 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: spot that he thought would be a great place to 379 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: sell it. So again, very smart kid. Also becomes a 380 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: celebrity of sorts in the US at the time. He 381 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: even he even gets to do a little bit of 382 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: work with Ladies Home Journal, And then later there's a 383 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: biography published of him in n One called the Americanization 384 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: of Edward Back. That's right, and he even himself wrote 385 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: a book that want to pull its surprise again. Fantastic 386 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: article on mental flaws by Jake Rawson, surprisingly discussing history 387 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: of lemonade. Stands highly recommend reading the whole thing. But 388 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: he his this story right. It really struck a chord 389 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist of the time, right, and it really 390 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: became that's sort of when I think the public consciousness 391 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: maybe shifted more from these you know, unscrupulous adults trying 392 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: to put one over on people, or you know, they 393 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: were obviously we're proper lemonadiers and all that, but it 394 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: became much more of like a thing associated with youngsters 395 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: that were like trying to hustle and um, you know, 396 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: lift themselves up by their bootstraps. But it really did 397 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: kind of inject itself into popular culture by the nineteen thirties, right, yeah, yeah, 398 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: it really, it really began to be a part of 399 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: the American zeitgeist. And now we we enter a part 400 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: of the story that reminds me of that scene with 401 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: the banker from Mary Poppins, the fathers, like penny compounding, 402 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 1: tourists and all that stuff. Because these these lemonade stands, 403 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: having one began to be seen as this sort of 404 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: wholesome lesson in the power of capitalism and free enterprise. 405 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: So if your kid wanted like a penny farthing I'm 406 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: making up, But if your kid wanted something whatever their 407 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: version of the the Elmo or the Hottest Christmas toy was, 408 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: then what you would do as a parent is take 409 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: that as a learning opportunity, a quote unquote teachable moment, 410 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: and you would say, well, with just a little bit 411 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: of investment, I may not help you buy you know, 412 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: of this hoop and stick that you want, but I 413 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: will help pay for some lemons and get some sugar 414 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: from you know, the kitchen, and you can learn how 415 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: business works. And so it's kind of a cool experience, right, 416 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: It's experiential learning. If your kid you learn the importance 417 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: of accounting profits and loss, and then you also learned 418 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: the importance of location the whole now I think about it, 419 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: you learned a ton of stuff. You also learned the 420 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: importance of word of mouth, right, absolutely, And I mean 421 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: you're right, Ben, All of that stuff, I think would 422 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: probably also be considered sort of at the very least 423 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: part of the American zeitgeist, but also kind of the 424 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: impetus that led to its inclusion. And a lot of 425 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: pop culture tropes, right that we know and love. One 426 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: of the earliest examples would be in the Marx Brothers 427 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: film Duck Soup that came out in nineteen thirty three. 428 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: Um and and another great source that we used for 429 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: this as an NPR piece called America's Attack on Lemonade 430 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: stands by Linton Weeks. Um. And in this film Duck 431 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: Soup from thirty three, you've got Harpo Marx who kind 432 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: of gets into a beef. He's a peanut salesman. He's 433 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: got a cart and next to him is Edgar Kennedy 434 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: who is selling lemonade this lemonade stand, and uh, you know, 435 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: hilarity ensues when Kennedy starts to harass Harpo. And by 436 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: the way, Harpo was the Mark's brother that didn't speak um, 437 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: but he would do all kinds of physical sight gags. 438 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: And this one he rolls his pant legs up and 439 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: sticks his bare feet into Kennedy's lemonade dispenser. This week 440 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: really makes me think of the pink lemonade clown pants story. Um. 441 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: But then you start getting you know again, these are adults, 442 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: admittedly they're like man children. But a few years later 443 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: you've got the Little Rascals Gang Our Gang um in 444 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: an episode called the Lucky Corner Yep, yep. That is 445 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: a short film in which the Our Gang kids, the 446 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: Little Rascals set up a lemonade stand. Competition takes over. 447 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: They are cutting corners, lemonade gets spewed all over the place, 448 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: and uh, eventually, you know, hilarity with a heavy emphasis 449 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: on physical comedy ensues. There's there are more and more 450 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: and more cases of lemonade stands popping up in fiction 451 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: and in art. There is a lemonade stand in a 452 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: famous Norman Rockwell illustration from nineteen fifty five. Anybody remembers 453 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: the Andy Griffith show, which they you know that you know? 454 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: Of course, Opie had his own lemonade stand in the 455 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties and he was selling his lemonade. See this 456 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: is where they Hollywood Ice did. He was selling his 457 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: lemonade for just two cents. And this kid in New York, 458 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: decades and decades of decades of decades ago, is selling 459 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: it for you know, five cents. I I just I 460 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: feel like they they may be glossed over the economic sense. Well, 461 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: this isn't Mayberry dollars, so I think that the inflation 462 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: rate is different. Yeah, Mayberry is sort of a magical 463 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: place where lemonade only cost you two cents of glass. Um, 464 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: can we get a lightning storm, little ominous thunder on 465 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: the stories taking a turn? It is about to take 466 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: a pretty dark turn. We're into the forties now, and boy, 467 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: oh boy, we talked about how lemonade helped cure the plague, 468 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: or helped eliminate the vermin that infestation that caused the plague, 469 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: or that carried the plague. These rats that carried the 470 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: flea larva that lead to more fleas that spread that 471 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: horrible disease. In the forties, we have another you can 472 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: call it a plague at the very least, a pandemic 473 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: in the form of polio, an incredibly communicable disease that 474 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: affected children um at an alarming rate. Yeah. So, as 475 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: more people are creating lemonade stands, and as the sale 476 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: of lemon and lemon products becomes more commercialized, more mass produced, 477 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna see some kids starting to use frozen lemon 478 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,959 Speaker 1: juice concentrate or lemonade concentrate, or even store bought lemonade. 479 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: They're selling for a markup and then adding sweetener, bottled water. 480 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: They're experimenting with other flavors, like we talked about with agave, 481 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: or like we talked about with basil, blueberry, and so on, 482 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: because you can flavor, you can add any number of 483 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: flavors to lemonade. But in a suburb of Chicago in 484 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,479 Speaker 1: the summer of a young woman who was not named 485 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: in this in the story apparently started selling lemonade as 486 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: you would in a little makeshift stand just outside of 487 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: our house, and after a period of weeks the health 488 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: department of the local county came a calling because it 489 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: turned out that she had been having people reuse their glasses. 490 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: She had been rinsing them after after the customers returned 491 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: it to her. Then that gave her polio. And that 492 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: was just the beginning of the problem. Yeah, a bunch 493 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: of her friends got it too. I mean, again, this 494 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: is like very very contagious. You can get it from 495 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: just you know, sharing a glasses somebody. And I think 496 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: this pointed out too. I'm sure that others were doing this, 497 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: you know. I mean the original story we have about 498 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: the young boy from the Netherlands, he only had three 499 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,719 Speaker 1: glasses total, so I mean, and if he was selling 500 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: the water, I don't think he had anything to rinse 501 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: it with. So, I mean, the origins of these lemonade 502 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: stands is in and of itself kind of unsanitary. So 503 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: this really just pointed that out in a big way. 504 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: And they're then led to this crackdown on lemonade stance 505 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: UNSANC and lemonade stands unum licensed I guess selling of lemonade, right, yeah, exactly. 506 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: And this so this investigation finds that four of her 507 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: friends around her age should also contracted polio. And then 508 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: additionally they found seven people are asymptomatic carriers, meaning they 509 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: had it but they didn't show signs of having it. 510 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: And this, no, this is what really let people know 511 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: just how easily this virus could spread and how long 512 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: you could carry it before showing any signs. Luckily, luckily, 513 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: there is a character who comes into play to save 514 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: the day. By nineteen fifty four, the one and only 515 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: Jonas salt Is vaccine for polio was about to become 516 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: widely available. Wow, that's ten years before a vaccine. We 517 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: should really think our lucky stars, shouldn't we that we 518 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: have a giant pharmaceutical conglomerates working on our behalf for 519 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: surely no monetary gain, right right then? Yeah, no comments there. 520 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: So this is this is strange because you know, the 521 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: world comes together, the US comes together at least to 522 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: endorsed fundraisers to cover treatment for polio. The March of 523 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: Dimes begins, and now people start selling lemonade to support 524 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: the fight against polio. It's very strange, very strange Bedfellows 525 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: history makes Yeah, it really really is. But you know, 526 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: at the same time, this is really really interesting that 527 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: image endures, right, of like the entrepreneurial spirit of the 528 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: United States, and like you know, the fact that this 529 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: the story about Edward Buck, which surely the way it 530 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: was elevated and lifted up. You know, there was some 531 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: subs slightly I would say, um, propagandistic, you know, intense 532 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: behind that, like ah, this young immigrant lift himself up 533 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: by his bootstraps, you know, selling lemonade. And so it 534 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: was absolutely like part of the identity of the United 535 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: States as this like melting pop It's land of opportunity, which, 536 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: as we know, oftentimes that is just an image, you know. 537 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it certainly is a land of opportunity for 538 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: certain folks, but not not for everybody. Um, and a 539 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: lot of times getting ahead in that way requires some 540 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: aggressive tactics, more so than just being a clever lad 541 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: selling lemonade on the street. Yeah, And I want to 542 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: I want to give a special anti shout out to 543 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: the people who are they're doing the right thing but 544 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: still feel a little bit like Disney villains to me, 545 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: the folks who have slapped kids with lemonade stands with 546 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: fines because they need to comply with health and safety 547 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,479 Speaker 1: regulations or they haven't gotten a permit according to local law. 548 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: In fact, right now as we record, it is illegal 549 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: to have a lemonade stand without a permit in thirty 550 00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: six states in the nation. Yeah, this even at the 551 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: protests something a lot of folks may have never heard of. 552 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: Lemonade Freedom Day. Lemonade Freedom Day. And also I think 553 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: everyone knows probably the most popular canned and powdered and 554 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: I think even there's a version of it that comes 555 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: out of a soda fountain lemonade that's available today is 556 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: from the Country Time, which was probably is owned by 557 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: Coca Cola. Now I'm not quite sure, but there was 558 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: a time where it was probably a very folksy small 559 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: company um that got in the game early. But they 560 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: have in pledged sixty thou dollars in grants to help 561 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: some of these kids, these oppressed kids pay these fines 562 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: related to their lemonade stand. But I mean, I don't know. 563 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: In the times of COVID might be a slight different 564 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: direction in pr for this one. Yeah, yeah, it's true. 565 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: And you know, fun fact, I just checked on air 566 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: Country Time my friend is owned by Craft Foods. I 567 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: didn't see that one coming, but I guess it makes sense. 568 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: And before before we head out today, First, thank you 569 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: for tuning into the strange history of lemonade stands. We 570 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: wanted to add something special to today's show. And no, 571 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: we have a special guest today, don't we as someone 572 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: it's not the quister, because we're both very happy to 573 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: hear from this person. We sure are. We are going 574 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: to hear from an actual human child who is cringing 575 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: so hard right now. Can you hear the cringe? That's 576 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: the sound of her teeth literally gritting together. She's just 577 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: shaking her head up and down. I can't tell if 578 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: that's a yes or no. The ladies and gentlemen, Eden Brown, 579 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: my child, Hello, Hi, Hi, Eden, Hi. We have to 580 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: ask you a couple of quick questions. That's very important. 581 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 1: We need the inside scoop from what the what the 582 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 1: kids are saying these days. How do you feel about 583 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: the the idea of the lemonade stand as it relates 584 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: to American entrepreneurial ship. I'm scared of lemonade stands? Why 585 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: because of polio? No? No, because the children are gross? 586 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: Well then okay, that's good. So so it's it's less 587 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: about the lemonade itself eaten and more about the purveyors 588 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: of it. Huh, the kids creep you out? They probably 589 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: I feel like they're like sticking their fingers in the lemonade. 590 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: Why do you think that? Do you just think kids 591 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: are just something you do? Well? Why do you have 592 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: such a negative opinion of your fellow kids because because 593 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: they're gross? Well, okay, but I need more, I need 594 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: I need more. I'm I'm I am a sanitary child, 595 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: unlike my fellow my fellow children. Okay, so you're a 596 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: bit of a neat freak, you're a bit of a germophobe. 597 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: That's understoodable. I mean, especially coming through we've been through 598 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 1: right in the last year, literally living through a situation 599 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: where you're like, hey, if you don't wash your hands, 600 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: you might die. And you know what's funny eating is 601 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: I've first off, I totally I totally see your point. 602 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: It's funny to me is if you saw a lemonade 603 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: stand where someone had had a special announcement where they said, 604 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, uh, Max's lemonade stad guaranteed we don't put 605 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: our fingers in it. That would just make me more uncomfortable. 606 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: What about you? Yeah, that that sounds I wouldn't I 607 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't trust it. Wait a minute, are you saying you 608 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: don't trust advertisement? You need to you to eat, confirm, 609 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: but verify. Perhaps, Yeah, most advertisements just don't like, like 610 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 1: food advertisements. I don't know, they just they just gross 611 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: me out. So how do you feel about in general, 612 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: like food products. Do you feel like they're mainly safe 613 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: if they say they're safe, or do you not even 614 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,439 Speaker 1: trust like the f d A. How far does this go? Eating? 615 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: How far does this go? I mean I don't trust. 616 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't trust like fast food restaurants 617 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: or thing things that are made by children, so exclusively 618 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: distrust of children. I got yeah, okay, yeah, no, I 619 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 1: I get it. Uh you know, for instance, I would 620 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 1: like it's weird if it's you know, your your friends children, 621 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: or if it's people that you're friends with and they say, hey, 622 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: the kid made some cookies or something, then you feel 623 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: kind of obligated to take it. But uh, like, I 624 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: don't think anybody would drive a car or riding a 625 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: car that was made by you know, a six year old? Right, yes, yes, 626 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: all right, Well Dan, do you have anything to add? 627 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: Um m, I said it already, But lemonade stand are 628 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: scary and don't trust them due noted words from the 629 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: mouths of Babes Babes the Expert as well and big 630 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: big special thanks to the one and only Eden Brown, 631 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: Thanks to Max Williams and Casey Pegram, and thanks of 632 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: course to Jonathan Strickland, a k a. 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