Speaker 1: Hey guys. This week on the Group Chat, we are
Speaker 1: taking our group therapy a step further and we're hearing
Speaker 1: from you, the fans, through emails and phone calls, and
Speaker 1: I promise you do not want to miss this. Yesterday
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan moves to the sign and was and then
Speaker 1: we take a look at quarterback Kyle Allen and what
Speaker 1: we expect out of him in New Orleans like we
Speaker 1: have that and so much more, including a song at
Speaker 1: the end of this podcast that I promise you do
Speaker 1: not want to miss. We've got that much more on
Speaker 1: this week's the group Chat. You've been added to the
Speaker 1: group Chat with your friends Caroline can, Max Sensen, and
Speaker 1: Will Brian. Welcome everyone two group there a p How
Speaker 1: are we doing today? Really relaxed, actually very relaxed. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is no longer the group Chat. We have turned
Speaker 1: this into group therapy And if you saw a tweet
Speaker 1: that went out this week, we wanted to help all
Speaker 1: of you. Are groupies, are friends out there with dealing
Speaker 1: with you know, the reality of Panther football right now
Speaker 1: and what we're what we're dealing with as a fan
Speaker 1: base and as as friends. So we're just here to help.
Speaker 1: I think we should all close our eyes. Is this
Speaker 1: what's the I don't know what comes next. I'm uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: What's the what's that the noises that people make that
Speaker 1: make them relax? What are those called? A S A
Speaker 1: M A s mmr. Clearly, like I thought it was
Speaker 1: just like the rain app on my phone? Is that
Speaker 1: was like that of one of the I don't think
Speaker 1: that's one of the noises that people apparently like, is
Speaker 1: my pet peeve? It's the sound of people chewing. There
Speaker 1: is a full track of this A s mr. Is
Speaker 1: that correct? The A S m R track of people chewing.
Speaker 1: That's what the Cowboys did for their schedule ease. Remember
Speaker 1: this year when they had like like they had sounds
Speaker 1: of each team and they had like the packers and
Speaker 1: they had like the cheese grater, remember that, And they
Speaker 1: had like the different sounds for each one. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: do they use chewing for? I think they played the
Speaker 1: giants and they chewed into an apple. Oh, it's not
Speaker 1: the noise of the food that gets me. It's just chewing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. It's the worst. But back to group therapy.
Speaker 1: What we're doing here is is just like I mentioned,
Speaker 1: sitting down as friends talking about the reality of Panther
Speaker 1: football right now in the act that this past weekend
Speaker 1: was tough, it was rough, it was not a fun
Speaker 1: weekend for Panther fans. Owner David Tepper said it best.
Speaker 1: But because we're a family friendly podcast, we can't say
Speaker 1: exactly what he said, but he just said it was
Speaker 1: a poopy weekend. Poopy. That'll be our line of the
Speaker 1: week this week. Also, let's just get that out of
Speaker 1: the way. That will be with a poopy weekend. So
Speaker 1: as the reality of where we are, we're turning this
Speaker 1: into we just want to help you out. We want
Speaker 1: to hear your problems, we want to talk about it,
Speaker 1: we want to help you work through it and to
Speaker 1: get ready for the New Orleans Saints because this season,
Speaker 1: it moves quickly, it moves fast. So we've actually given
Speaker 1: you more time than the players get. Then the team gets,
Speaker 1: they get this twenty four hour rule to move on.
Speaker 1: It's spoiler alert. It's been more than twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: But some of you are so fired up in your
Speaker 1: email and your voice smails that were left to us
Speaker 1: when we put out a hotline for our group, he's
Speaker 1: out there that we need to address some of the
Speaker 1: emails and phone calls that we got, so welcome to
Speaker 1: group therapy, our first client. Today. We're not gonna say
Speaker 1: he's the front runner of our groupie fan club, but
Speaker 1: if it was a competition, I think he would be winning. Agreed.
Speaker 1: You might know him on Twitter as the Mayor of
Speaker 1: Flavor Town. He's not the mayor of Flavor Town. We're
Speaker 1: not even sure if this is a fan account for
Speaker 1: the Mayor of Flavor Town. But he's our mayor of
Speaker 1: Flavor Town, and that's all that we need to max.
Speaker 1: Who's the actual mayor Flavor Town. Well, his abbey is
Speaker 1: a image of Guy Fiertti. What you gotta make sure
Speaker 1: you pronounce it right, Fietti Fietti. It's not fiery. Well,
Speaker 1: probably what you were going to say, That's what I
Speaker 1: was gonna say. That's that's also why I didn't say it,
Speaker 1: though I knew it was wrong, So I just stuck
Speaker 1: with Mayor Flavortown, hoping everyone knew. Well, we're gonna help
Speaker 1: him out here because he sent an email that he
Speaker 1: said originally was twenty words long, but he narrowed his
Speaker 1: angle to just pick the top frustration for this season,
Speaker 1: and it is as followed the defense, specifically, how did
Speaker 1: this defense become completely inept and seemingly do so overnight.
Speaker 1: He then goes on to list a bunch of others.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more, and Mayor, we're all about being thorough,
Speaker 1: but for the sake of time, we're gonna skip over.
Speaker 1: Although we did read your email, we're going to to
Speaker 1: answer some of the things that you said. But my
Speaker 1: favorite part of this entire email is at the bottom.
Speaker 1: He doesn't leave us his real name, your favorite Twitter,
Speaker 1: which is kind of true. Mayor flavor Town with his
Speaker 1: Twitter handle at j t f C underscore t M disclaimer.
Speaker 1: I understand that making an NFL roster puts you in
Speaker 1: the very, very small small percentage of athletes in the
Speaker 1: world that I often trip walking up the stairs. I'm
Speaker 1: in no position to criticize the athletic proudness of anyone,
Speaker 1: especially any of my beloved Panthers has shoutag keep pounding.
Speaker 1: We appreciate that. But you spent words saying otherwise self awareness.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that he does. And he also put asterisks
Speaker 1: in his paragraph where he would like that disclaimer to go,
Speaker 1: which is perfect. It was right after did you notice that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was right after the day. Oh yeah. It's kind
Speaker 1: of funny though, Like you know, you don't remember the
Speaker 1: Curb episode where it was like if you say, now,
Speaker 1: having said that, you can pretty much say anything you
Speaker 1: want after Like, so that's kind of what he's doing
Speaker 1: here by providing that disclaimer. So like he acknowledges that
Speaker 1: he's not an athlete. But now having said that, I'm
Speaker 1: going to criticize every single thing about these athletes. Don't
Speaker 1: take offense. No offense, but no offense. Again, I do appreciate.
Speaker 1: I do appreciate the email. Um, will do you have
Speaker 1: initial thoughts to you? I mean to take the take
Speaker 1: the first stab at this therapeutic response, I think, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like you necessarily heard this before,
Speaker 1: but you know, playing defense in the NFL is hard.
Speaker 1: It's especially hard when the player that you drafted number
Speaker 1: one first round this year to help shore up your
Speaker 1: defensive line has been struggling with a risk injury for
Speaker 1: the last six games. It's especially hard when you have
Speaker 1: Probowl caliber players learning a new system that they have
Speaker 1: to understand, they have to get and the system requires
Speaker 1: from one part of it from a run defense part
Speaker 1: of it. I think that there's you know, and they
Speaker 1: coaches kind of went into it a little bit more
Speaker 1: last week than he's done before, But there really are
Speaker 1: there's a lot more ways to make mistakes in this
Speaker 1: system against the run, and there has been in previous
Speaker 1: iteration of this defense because there there's more space in
Speaker 1: the middle, and guys have to make decisions at the
Speaker 1: last second and in concert with each other's decisions all
Speaker 1: the same time. You know, when you when you're holding
Speaker 1: up a block and you have to decide am I
Speaker 1: going left or right? And you have to do it
Speaker 1: not too soon, not too late. You have to get
Speaker 1: off of it, and then the guy next to you
Speaker 1: has to get off his at the same time. I
Speaker 1: think that's Will said in a simpler way. Is it
Speaker 1: also just an adjustment going from this same system for
Speaker 1: years to now? I think I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: where I go first. Is just this is maybe there
Speaker 1: have been some more growing pains, and we're initially anticipated
Speaker 1: in switching, and I know they were doing this a
Speaker 1: little bit before, but obviously this season we've seen more
Speaker 1: of a drastic shift than we ever have as far
Speaker 1: as how the front looks and how they're gonna operate.
Speaker 1: And I think that's been a real adjustment for guys now.
Speaker 1: I mean that seems and and guys, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: throughout training camp, throughout the beginning of the season, like
Speaker 1: you're you're going to say the right things. You're gonna say, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, you know that we've got this, we're learning this,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be able to succeed. And you know, as
Speaker 1: as you know, games happen in times happen. Yeah, it's taken.
Speaker 1: It's taken some time, I would say to I felt
Speaker 1: like kind of a snowball effect was happening, where you know,
Speaker 1: every defense is going to have, you know, a game
Speaker 1: or two. It felt like for this defense when the
Speaker 1: then that game or two first started happening, especially with
Speaker 1: the run defense, over compensation really started to take place.
Speaker 1: Whereas guys and Mayor Flavortown listed this in his email,
Speaker 1: the names on the roster, I mean these are real
Speaker 1: names here. I mean we're talking Luke, Keith Lee, Jerald McCoy,
Speaker 1: Shack Thomps, and Eric Read. I mean these are Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl caliber players, some of the better players on the
Speaker 1: defensive side in the NFL. So the talent has never
Speaker 1: really been an issue. But it seems like all these
Speaker 1: talented guys, at one point another have tried to do
Speaker 1: too much. Uh, and I think that is that has
Speaker 1: hurt this defense At times throughout the season. The run
Speaker 1: defense was better someday, it was an issue now in
Speaker 1: the past. I mean, you gotta have a guy in
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley who had eight catches on eight targets for
Speaker 1: a D forty three yards. I mean, of course we
Speaker 1: know Julio Jones is going to do some damage. You're
Speaker 1: never You're never gonna completely shut that guy out. And
Speaker 1: you know, Matt Ryan was pretty comfortable all day. So
Speaker 1: it's just kind of been one thing after another. Uh.
Speaker 1: Their defense has just struggled to really play that complete,
Speaker 1: that elusive complete game, and I think frustration started to
Speaker 1: set in, which led to some more issues, is what
Speaker 1: I would say. And in defense, offense, and special teams,
Speaker 1: you know, they talk about these things is distinct kind
Speaker 1: of phases of the game, but in reality, you know,
Speaker 1: these are people and when you're out there on defense,
Speaker 1: you're feeling like you've got to get a stop, you've
Speaker 1: got to get a takeaway because you know the offense
Speaker 1: just you know, gave up a turnover in the red
Speaker 1: zone because you just had a punt return for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Now you're downtown nothing because of you know, you're you're
Speaker 1: trying to guard against you know, two Pro Bowl type
Speaker 1: receivers and you know a quarterback that's now ranked tenth
Speaker 1: all time in the NFL history in passing yards. Like
Speaker 1: you feel like you have to make a life. So
Speaker 1: when you go a little bit too much on one side,
Speaker 1: you try to really bite on something to make a play, well,
Speaker 1: then maybe you get beaten on the back side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think then this is another line from his email,
Speaker 1: um Ron's resumes defensive coach speaks for itself. That plus
Speaker 1: the talent on this roster leaves the defensive results on
Speaker 1: the field a bit of a mystery. And I can't
Speaker 1: argue with that. I think that's that we all came
Speaker 1: into the season thinking this defense has potential to be
Speaker 1: among the best in the NFL. Has not been among
Speaker 1: the best in the NFL this season. And I think
Speaker 1: he you know, points out, not wrongly that um that's
Speaker 1: been frustrating to watch because seemingly all the pieces are there.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, guys, I think the bottom line and
Speaker 1: what you guys were saying, and when you look at
Speaker 1: it from the big picture, is this over correction of
Speaker 1: this defense started out really really hot this season, and
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking they're still up there in a
Speaker 1: lot of categories because of how well they started. But
Speaker 1: now in these last couple of weeks, the run defense
Speaker 1: has been a problem. So then, you know, I think
Speaker 1: Luke Kickley has maybe tried to be the hero and
Speaker 1: he's trying to do too many things instead of just
Speaker 1: staying in the middle of the field and orchestrating where
Speaker 1: that defense is lined up. And then you finally get
Speaker 1: the run defense clicking this past week, but then your
Speaker 1: secondary struggles to be able to shut down the past
Speaker 1: I think it is this complimentary football just on the
Speaker 1: defense that we haven't seen that, you know. I think
Speaker 1: that defensive line does hide a lot of the youth
Speaker 1: in the secondary, and when they showed up the run
Speaker 1: and they took away the run, it exposed the youth
Speaker 1: in the secondary. I think there's just the give and
Speaker 1: take of this defense. Don Terry Post said it, you know,
Speaker 1: to me last week. We haven't been playing together long,
Speaker 1: and yes, they can't use that excuse all the time,
Speaker 1: and he said, it's not an excuse. We don't take
Speaker 1: it that way. But it seems like every game we
Speaker 1: leave saying, oh, we learned something new about us as
Speaker 1: a defense today, and whether it's a corre action that
Speaker 1: they need to make or hey, let's continue to do this.
Speaker 1: And the talking to him after the game, I said,
Speaker 1: is it a win for you guys to stop the run?
Speaker 1: And he said, sure, it's a win, But then we
Speaker 1: gave up a lot of plays in the passing games,
Speaker 1: so there's still this Ying and Yang effect that they
Speaker 1: need to figure out. I think you hit on it
Speaker 1: with the phrase complimentary football. I think you could say
Speaker 1: that about the defense with the run in Pasty, and
Speaker 1: I think you can extend that to the entire team
Speaker 1: right now because if you look at the defensive performance
Speaker 1: against Atlanta, it was terrific early on. It was the
Speaker 1: reason Carolina was in the game, Like it could have
Speaker 1: been really bad or nothing and half completely. I mean
Speaker 1: they forced they forced three successive field goal attempts from
Speaker 1: Atlanta with short fields. Okay, they missed one of those
Speaker 1: attempts too, so they were putting the Panthers offense in
Speaker 1: position to get back in the game at a certain point,
Speaker 1: there's only so much a defense can take before you're
Speaker 1: going you can you can only bend so much right.
Speaker 1: Eventually you're gonna break if if you're continuing to have
Speaker 1: to face short fields and you're not getting support from
Speaker 1: the offense. And I think that's kind of what happened.
Speaker 1: So I do want to give credit to the defense
Speaker 1: for making this competitive early on and putting Caroline in
Speaker 1: position to get back in it. As we know, the
Speaker 1: offense couldn't get roleing and it never happened for the Panthers.
Speaker 1: But that defensive performance in that first half is what
Speaker 1: allowed this team to have a chance, and I think
Speaker 1: that's important to say. I just want to say I've
Speaker 1: had a breakthrough. This has nothing to do with the podcast.
Speaker 1: I've had something in my eye since game day in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, and I just got it out. That's
Speaker 1: huge in this moment. I don't I don't even know
Speaker 1: what it was. Yeah, we're done. Podcast therapy is complete.
Speaker 1: I feel better and that's all that matters. You guys,
Speaker 1: imagine how annoying it is have something in your eye
Speaker 1: for days. Yeah, I don't know how you manage. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it was on my eyelid and I finally
Speaker 1: just found it, and wow, WHOA, I feel better. All right,
Speaker 1: we can move on now, but we're gonna stick to
Speaker 1: the defense. We had a fantastic caller. He's anonymous. He
Speaker 1: didn't want to leave his name, so we're just gonna
Speaker 1: call him the caller from Clover, From Clover, from Clover.
Speaker 1: And here is what the color from Clover had to say.
Speaker 1: I'm struggling to figure out what happened to the pass rush.
Speaker 1: They had an unreliable pass rush against Arizona in Houston,
Speaker 1: and yesterday Matt Ryan moves to the sign and was suck.
Speaker 1: Tell us how you really feel, caller from Clover. He sucked? Well, boys,
Speaker 1: help him out. Caller from Clover. We're here to help.
Speaker 1: I think, first of all, I think the sucked is
Speaker 1: just referring to like just how much it sucked, just
Speaker 1: that he kept avoiding the pressure because the pressure was there.
Speaker 1: They kept getting Ryan off his spot. He was moving
Speaker 1: around the pocket and and that's the first thing you
Speaker 1: have to do to have success against a guy like him.
Speaker 1: You let him stand back there, he'll pick you apart.
Speaker 1: So I thought the rush was active and they had
Speaker 1: him moving all sorts of ways. You just gotta give
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan a lot of credit for the way he played.
Speaker 1: And again, this is a former NFL m v P.
Speaker 1: This guy is good. And the Panthers did what they
Speaker 1: wanted to do. They had him moving around and he
Speaker 1: made a lot of plays on the run. And whether
Speaker 1: it was just fine he checked downs or keeping his
Speaker 1: eyes down field and finding guys open. Uh. They sacked
Speaker 1: him three times, and they had nine quarterback hits Kyle
Speaker 1: and had ten quarterback hits against him. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're at some point going to talk about
Speaker 1: the rush that Kyle had to deal with always hit
Speaker 1: one less match that Ryan was hit one less time.
Speaker 1: So the pass rush was very active for Carolina. But
Speaker 1: Matt veteran quarterback in this league, obviously was able to
Speaker 1: withstand that and make plays in light of the fact
Speaker 1: that he had guys in his face all day. And
Speaker 1: as a defense, I know people don't want to hear this,
Speaker 1: especially after a game that but at a certain point
Speaker 1: you tip your cap and say, you know, especially from
Speaker 1: Carolina's D line perspective, that they got after him, you know,
Speaker 1: And and again I think that's this is this is
Speaker 1: one of those cases where a really good quarterback made
Speaker 1: really good quarterback plays And how many times did it
Speaker 1: feel like you know, almost, they're almost, they're almost there,
Speaker 1: and then he gets the ball off just the last second,
Speaker 1: gets hit and then forty yards down the field, what
Speaker 1: like a play is made? Like what like? How? How
Speaker 1: did how did that happen? Right? You know, and you're
Speaker 1: just like you did everything you can too. You know,
Speaker 1: you almost get to him and he's like on his
Speaker 1: back foot just heaving the ball up and boom forty
Speaker 1: yards later, Julio Calvin. You know, a catch is made
Speaker 1: downfield and you know at some point you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: the past rush, you know, forced it and made him
Speaker 1: get out there. But you've got to make a play
Speaker 1: on the ball downfield. And you know his guys made
Speaker 1: plays for him, Yeah they did, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's an important part of this too,
Speaker 1: is there's a certain confidence when you're playing offensive football
Speaker 1: that comes with if you're going to take a shot
Speaker 1: and a guy makes a play for you, what that does?
Speaker 1: Burt Group and you saw that happen to Caroline offense.
Speaker 1: You know, Reggie Bonifon's dropped down the scene early in
Speaker 1: the game. There was a chance there for a big
Speaker 1: spar play. It didn't happen. And I think that's that
Speaker 1: that was a real difference between the two days for
Speaker 1: the offenses. Where guys are on Atlanta were taking turns
Speaker 1: making plays, guys in Carolina were taking turns making mistakes.
Speaker 1: And there's there's something about this Atlanta team and this
Speaker 1: Panthers team the last four years. Man. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: seven of eight Falcons eight. We're gonna get to this
Speaker 1: next one. We're gonna lump at least my point from
Speaker 1: this past rush too. Then this next question, I think
Speaker 1: go hand and hammer. We're talking about how Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: handled the pass rush verse, how Kyle Allen handled the
Speaker 1: past rush. So this is from Will not Greer Jones
Speaker 1: on Twitter. But although it could be Will Greers Burner
Speaker 1: account because of what was said at the end of
Speaker 1: this email, So that's still that's still out there as
Speaker 1: a possibility. We're going to follow up on that. But
Speaker 1: he starts his email with a question, which I love.
Speaker 1: I just feel like they really set the tone for
Speaker 1: how we should be reading this email. And the question
Speaker 1: is what we asked, what am I struggling with As
Speaker 1: a Panthers fan, you ask watching Kyle Allen every week,
Speaker 1: anyone who knows what they are doing when evaluating a
Speaker 1: quarterback can tell you that he is a problem. Poor
Speaker 1: pocket awareness, poor processing, poor decision making, and his deep
Speaker 1: ball is non existent. We asked, I guess we did
Speaker 1: ask for what people were struggling with, easy Will Jones.
Speaker 1: Here's why I want to double this up though, with
Speaker 1: the last struggle of of our of our dear friend
Speaker 1: color from Clover. The difference between I think that what
Speaker 1: you're saying of of Kyle Allen took one more hit
Speaker 1: than Matt Ryan did. There is a maturity level here.
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, He's a proven quarterback in this league. He
Speaker 1: has seen this before. There have been two games, really,
Speaker 1: I would say this season that Kyle Allen has been
Speaker 1: pressured the way San Francisco and then this pass game
Speaker 1: against the Falcons. I think we're the two games where
Speaker 1: you saw Kyle Allen not settle down and for good reason.
Speaker 1: Let's think about it for a second. He's getting a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on him. He can't set his feet,
Speaker 1: he can't, you know, feel comfortable back there the offensive line.
Speaker 1: This was a new ish We've seen this, but this
Speaker 1: was Greg Little's first game back and who he was
Speaker 1: going up against with that pass rush. There were a
Speaker 1: lot of things that were happening. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: agree with you here, will not Greer Jones that he
Speaker 1: has poor pocket awareness, poor processing. Some of his decision
Speaker 1: making was a little questionable. And you know against Atlanta
Speaker 1: and the deep bone is non existent. Here's where I
Speaker 1: want to sit on this one. This last deep ball.
Speaker 1: Jake Delon was on the call for the radio and
Speaker 1: he made a great I thought a great point about
Speaker 1: the deep ball from Kyle Allen. What we saw from
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan was on this deep ball, he overthrew the receiver.
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen's not doing that right now. He's not just
Speaker 1: airing it out. That's what Jake was saying. Just air
Speaker 1: the ball out and see if your receiver can go
Speaker 1: make a play. What's happening right now is it looks
Speaker 1: like Kyle is just trying to complete the pass instead
Speaker 1: of overshooting it when you're in coverage like they are
Speaker 1: deep down the field. I think that was probably to me,
Speaker 1: the most frustrating in the game against Atlanta, just because
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan was completing those passes in a game where
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't Matt Ryan and it wasn't Julio Jones
Speaker 1: and Calvin Ridley making those connections. Maybe you don't notice
Speaker 1: it as much. But to me, I can get on
Speaker 1: board with you will not Grew Jones about the deep ball.
Speaker 1: I think it is there. You're you're against him on
Speaker 1: the deep ball. I'm saying, I understand that the deep
Speaker 1: ball is non existent. I understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 1: In there, Here's what I would say, Kyle own is
Speaker 1: a good deep ball thrower. I mean, we saw his
Speaker 1: first start in New Orleans last year. Yeah, the guy
Speaker 1: can throw the deep ball like so to say like
Speaker 1: it's non existent, it's not true. He is capable of
Speaker 1: throwing a good deep ball right now. Obviously he's struggling,
Speaker 1: but like he's got the armed talent to do that.
Speaker 1: He's not executed. But that's where I'm sitting. I understand
Speaker 1: where you're coming from. I don't necessarily agree with the
Speaker 1: pocket awareness and poor processing, and so I'm the decision
Speaker 1: making he was he couldn't get his feet settled against Atlanta,
Speaker 1: where I said that at halftime, we get that, let's call,
Speaker 1: let's call the Atlanta game. What it was poor decision making,
Speaker 1: poor processing, pocket awareness. Yes to all three, it was brutal. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's just call let's just call that what it was.
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people are very excited
Speaker 1: to hear me talk on this podcast this week after
Speaker 1: I kind of stumped for Kyle last week good Luck Defendant.
Speaker 1: In this time, it's like, Okay, here's my chance to
Speaker 1: kind of sit here and say that. Let's just get
Speaker 1: that out of the way, right it was. It was
Speaker 1: a particular game. It was brutal. It was brutal, greg
Speaker 1: Olson said afterwards, not pointing any figures to anybody in particular.
Speaker 1: It was a comedy of terrible football offensively. Okay, so
Speaker 1: let's just we can all acknowledge that. But again, I
Speaker 1: will say this, which young quarterback going through his rookie
Speaker 1: NFL season is not going to struggle with pocket awareness,
Speaker 1: processing and decision making that is playing quarterback in the
Speaker 1: NFL as a rookie. I'm gonna remind you guys of
Speaker 1: a statistic and I'm not comparing Kyle to pay and Manning.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. Okay, So when somebody tells me
Speaker 1: on Twitter Peyton Manning through twenty eight interceptions as a rookie. Okay,
Speaker 1: playing quarterback in the NFL is a rookie is going
Speaker 1: to involve games where you are going to look like that. Okay.
Speaker 1: So and again this is going to sound a little
Speaker 1: bit like last week or making excuses for Kyle. I
Speaker 1: don't care say what you want. I'm telling you right
Speaker 1: now that the Atlantic performance is brutal. Kyle in Green
Speaker 1: Bay had acknowledged the fact that he had a poor
Speaker 1: decision throwing that pick in the end zone. He was
Speaker 1: going to learn from it. Unfortunate Atlanta, he made the
Speaker 1: same mistake twice and then the third time forcing the
Speaker 1: ball when he shouldn't. Look, you're gonna take your lumps
Speaker 1: in this league, and right now he's learned in the
Speaker 1: hard way, because that's two weeks in a row where
Speaker 1: it's really costs his team. But again I remind you
Speaker 1: that there is no rookie quarterback starting and again we're
Speaker 1: calling Kylo rookie because he has not even played a
Speaker 1: full season. This is this, this is what is going
Speaker 1: into his ninth start of his career. So he's still
Speaker 1: kind of in the midway point of what would be
Speaker 1: a rookie season. Uh, and this the issues that were
Speaker 1: described again, decision making, processing, pocket awareness. It's you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to go through some bad times to get better
Speaker 1: in those areas, and Payton Manning can be the will
Speaker 1: be the first to tell you here's one. One part
Speaker 1: of that though, is since we know there's gonna be
Speaker 1: some there's there's gonna be some bad decisions, especially when
Speaker 1: you know a team is rushing three players and they're
Speaker 1: still getting you. Let's also call that what that's what
Speaker 1: it was. I mean, there's eight guys back in coverage
Speaker 1: and you're having to bail out immediately because it all
Speaker 1: goes The defensive ends are already on you. But I
Speaker 1: want to see Kyle execute in ways where it's not
Speaker 1: a matter of decision making. They're here, here's a guy
Speaker 1: that has this guy beat down the seam or has
Speaker 1: this guy beat deep. You've got to throw it sooner.
Speaker 1: You've got to give him a chance to make a play.
Speaker 1: He I mean, of those twenty interceptions that pay me through,
Speaker 1: how many touchdowns did he throw? We haven't really seen
Speaker 1: Kyle getting the end zone. I mean we we we
Speaker 1: gotta see and you can tell that he's he's pressing
Speaker 1: with that, right, I mean, because clearly on a couple
Speaker 1: of those interceptions, he's trying to force the ball into
Speaker 1: the end zone, especially late in the first half, like
Speaker 1: you at least have to come away with three. Yep.
Speaker 1: I mean that that that's a point in the game
Speaker 1: where if you go into the locker room down twenty
Speaker 1: to three, then you get the ball back to start
Speaker 1: second half. Conceivably things go right, it could be a
Speaker 1: twenty to ten football game and you're right back in it.
Speaker 1: I mean, so he And the thing about it is,
Speaker 1: if you watch Kyle's presser after the game, he knows,
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't need to be told. He knows
Speaker 1: he's better than that, especially because this isn't this wasn't
Speaker 1: something where it was like Atlanta scheming something up to
Speaker 1: really trick the young quarterback and he couldn't really decipher
Speaker 1: the coverage. Is he making poor decisions? You know, and
Speaker 1: that that falls on him, And again you can see
Speaker 1: it in his face afterwards. He knows as well as
Speaker 1: anybody that that's just something that he needs to be
Speaker 1: better at. He needs to keep this team in a
Speaker 1: position where he's not losing it. You know, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what he had done so well for so
Speaker 1: long when he was five and note without throwing a pick.
Speaker 1: Now a'll of a sudden, the picks have piled up
Speaker 1: and so the loss. And it's worth noting this Atlanta
Speaker 1: defense held Drew Brees with a touchdown to the week before.
Speaker 1: This is a good that that was a good defense.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm sitting here with Will not Grew Jones.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with the poor pocket awareness, poor processing,
Speaker 1: and poor decision making as saying that is who Kyle
Speaker 1: Allen is. I don't agree with that. I think Kyle,
Speaker 1: we've said from training camp, he has this very cool
Speaker 1: nature about him. He handles things, he can see things
Speaker 1: on the field when he's calm. He got rattled that,
Speaker 1: you know this past Sunday, and okay, he has a
Speaker 1: young quarterback. We're calling him a rookie. He's going to
Speaker 1: deal with that every now and then. The deep ball
Speaker 1: is just something I want to see. I'm with When
Speaker 1: Jake brought that up in the broadcast, I thought, that's
Speaker 1: exactly what it is. Let let Curtis Samuel like the
Speaker 1: game the times that he has it. I think there
Speaker 1: was one to DJ more. I want to say, against
Speaker 1: the Titans or the Jags in the corner where it
Speaker 1: was just a jump ball, he threw it up and
Speaker 1: let DJ go up and make a play, and DJ
Speaker 1: made a play. That's what I want to see more
Speaker 1: of and where I'm seeing this. The reason this might
Speaker 1: be Will Greer's burner account is because at the end
Speaker 1: of this email, he goes at least Will Greer through
Speaker 1: for seven thousand plus yards, seventy touchdowns and only twenty
Speaker 1: picks in college, get out of here. He seems to
Speaker 1: have more potential than this undrafted free agent who got
Speaker 1: benched everywhere he is gone, ouch, dude, chow, Will not
Speaker 1: Greg Jones. I think what you're seeing out of Kyle
Speaker 1: Allen is youth. Will Greer has even more youth. Will
Speaker 1: Greer is a true rookie. He has a lot that
Speaker 1: he needs to still process, and I think the fact
Speaker 1: that he's not playing is is a good thing. Well,
Speaker 1: I think we need to address that because I n did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that people have been people were tweeting that
Speaker 1: you could tell that was bubbling up, like but I
Speaker 1: think that just shows where we are as a fan
Speaker 1: base right now that they're that irrational, Like, I'm fine
Speaker 1: with the fan base jumping and saying, hey, we need
Speaker 1: to switch. You know, it's a valid question. That's fine.
Speaker 1: It's about U me drafted Will grew in the third round.
Speaker 1: It's a valid question. I think right now, the Panthers,
Speaker 1: unless it was at a necessity, would like this to
Speaker 1: essentially be a red shirt year for career. I mean,
Speaker 1: they know that he needed this kind of season to
Speaker 1: learn behind the scenes and get better before throwing him
Speaker 1: into the fire. And obviously they have full confidence and
Speaker 1: belief in Kyle to kind of get them through this season.
Speaker 1: And look, it wasn't it just trying to get through
Speaker 1: the season. They were trying to get a playoff spot.
Speaker 1: And I know this Atlanta loss is a huge hit
Speaker 1: to that. And that's part of the reason we're calling
Speaker 1: this episode group therapies, because this loss feels like it's
Speaker 1: a a massive one and it was. Again it was
Speaker 1: You're talking about a home game against a two win
Speaker 1: Falcon team who I know is much better than that
Speaker 1: record indicates. And clearly they figured something out with going
Speaker 1: to New Orleans and to Carolina and getting decisive wins.
Speaker 1: But this loss was a punch to the gut for
Speaker 1: what this team is trying to do as far as
Speaker 1: you look for the postseason. So I get all that,
Speaker 1: but this team has chosen Kyle to be the guy
Speaker 1: this this year and they want will to learn. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just and and that's kind of the answer to
Speaker 1: that question, and that's just what it's going to be.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see Kyle go back to New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I am. I think this weekend that's where, like, this
Speaker 1: is one of the things that we can say he's
Speaker 1: done this before. He has gone down to New Orleans.
Speaker 1: He has handled this situation before. Yes, a lot of
Speaker 1: things were different, but this is really one of the
Speaker 1: first times that he's done something already. So I'm just
Speaker 1: I want to see him bounce back from this. He
Speaker 1: was extremely dejected after this Atlanta game. I want to
Speaker 1: see how he rebounds from that in the type of
Speaker 1: game that he has. And I'm excited that it happens
Speaker 1: to be in a place that he's already played. He's
Speaker 1: going to know how to get around, He's going you know,
Speaker 1: just little things like that make it better. So I
Speaker 1: understand the grievance. I appreciate the email but now we
Speaker 1: need to get back to our voices because we got
Speaker 1: a little fired up there. Guys, are we feeling are
Speaker 1: we feel? Is everyone out there feeling like we were able?
Speaker 1: I think that's part. I think that's part of the
Speaker 1: theraputic experience, though. It's the kind of a release of
Speaker 1: that and then to kind of like come back and
Speaker 1: we've kind of gotten it out of our system. Let's
Speaker 1: get the music back on. Isn't that nice? Just very
Speaker 1: relaxed here at the end of this podcast, and before
Speaker 1: we go, we have something for you out there, and
Speaker 1: this is going to blow your mind, but not only
Speaker 1: how random it is, but really how how much you're
Speaker 1: about to learn about a certain song that everyone probably
Speaker 1: knows the first verse really well, but it's these these second, third,
Speaker 1: and fourth verses that I think are really good, just
Speaker 1: going to turn turn your week around. So to end
Speaker 1: this group therapy session, well, I would like for you
Speaker 1: to teach us the rest of the thumb War song one, two,
Speaker 1: three four I had declare a thumb more five six, seven,
Speaker 1: eight finger guns per lift for right nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
Speaker 1: digits can't protect themselves thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen Thumb you
Speaker 1: in won't intervene. I don't know what it ends with
Speaker 1: really wanted to go to fifteen. Then the next line was,
Speaker 1: I don't want to play with you anymore. Oh, no,
Speaker 1: we don't like that. I know. Last week it was
Speaker 1: the rapping episode. Wh can you wrap that? That for us? No?
Speaker 1: That was that was? That was it? Have you guys
Speaker 1: seen him do the actual finger guns when he doesn't? Ye,
Speaker 1: that's pretty yeah, finger guns for right? That So sorry
Speaker 1: that this is only an audio piece out there, but
Speaker 1: just just picture panther stack guy with digits. I don't
Speaker 1: even know how that became a thing. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: you're welcome. We need to have like a bonus pre
Speaker 1: show episode, like a mash up of all our apprecious
Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's retrace our steps. How did this happen?
Speaker 1: You start? You just started singing the thumb War song randomly, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know why we're doing a check. Oh that's
Speaker 1: what I was doing my my check and you said
Speaker 1: one to three, four, and then I said, and then
Speaker 1: I said, we didn't know what it was until Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: and you can't then you into the internet. It's Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: So maybe someone changed that last line and that's why
Speaker 1: it doesn't really work with fifteen. I don't know, because
Speaker 1: Wikipedia you can do whatever you want on there. You
Speaker 1: can just change anything. But I still like it. One
Speaker 1: to three four, I declare a thumb war anyone out there,
Speaker 1: you know the versus you say it now? Five, six, seven,
Speaker 1: eight finger guns flift for eight. It's so good, it's
Speaker 1: so good. We hope that that ended this therapy session
Speaker 1: on a high note and it leaves you feeling ready
Speaker 1: for New Orleans because this is not going to be easy. Guys. Hey,
Speaker 1: thumbs up, guys, that's all I have to say after
Speaker 1: this episode. Well, get your thumbs ready. We'll oh he's
Speaker 1: got he's got his pointer finger and thumb up in
Speaker 1: the finger guns. You're gonna be ruditute shooting then New Orleans,
Speaker 1: Texas tech red Raider right now. Oh goodness. Well, guys,
Speaker 1: that was the group therapy. We hope you feel relaxed.
Speaker 1: We hope you feel enlightened with a new song to
Speaker 1: share with all of your co workers and all of
Speaker 1: your friends. And we will see you. Um well, we
Speaker 1: actually won't see you, but we will talk to you. Actually,