WEBVTT - The Group Chat Episode 20: Group Therapy 2.0 (Fan Edition) 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.120 Hey guys. This week on the Group Chat, we are 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:05.680 taking our group therapy a step further and we're hearing 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:08.440 from you, the fans, through emails and phone calls, and 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.520 I promise you do not want to miss this. Yesterday 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:18.240 Matt Ryan moves to the sign and was and then 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.200 we take a look at quarterback Kyle Allen and what 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:27.159 we expect out of him in New Orleans like we 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.920 have that and so much more, including a song at 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.800 the end of this podcast that I promise you do 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.360 not want to miss. We've got that much more on 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:47.640 this week's the group Chat. You've been added to the 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:51.360 group Chat with your friends Caroline can, Max Sensen, and 0:00:51.479 --> 0:01:00.720 Will Brian. Welcome everyone two group there a p How 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:06.400 are we doing today? Really relaxed, actually very relaxed. Yes, 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.119 this is no longer the group Chat. We have turned 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.319 this into group therapy And if you saw a tweet 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.600 that went out this week, we wanted to help all 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.800 of you. Are groupies, are friends out there with dealing 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:23.000 with you know, the reality of Panther football right now 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.360 and what we're what we're dealing with as a fan 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:30.039 base and as as friends. So we're just here to help. 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:34.039 I think we should all close our eyes. Is this 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:40.920 what's the I don't know what comes next. I'm uncomfortable. 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:46.320 What's the what's that the noises that people make that 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.600 make them relax? What are those called? A S A 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:56.440 M A s mmr. Clearly, like I thought it was 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.680 just like the rain app on my phone? Is that 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:04.080 was like that of one of the I don't think 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:08.600 that's one of the noises that people apparently like, is 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:12.720 my pet peeve? It's the sound of people chewing. There 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.160 is a full track of this A s mr. Is 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.160 that correct? The A S m R track of people chewing. 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:23.080 That's what the Cowboys did for their schedule ease. Remember 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.519 this year when they had like like they had sounds 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.560 of each team and they had like the packers and 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.360 they had like the cheese grater, remember that, And they 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.640 had like the different sounds for each one. Yeah, what 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.320 do they use chewing for? I think they played the 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:41.880 giants and they chewed into an apple. Oh, it's not 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:48.560 the noise of the food that gets me. It's just chewing. Yeah, 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:51.320 I'm with you. It's the worst. But back to group therapy. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.360 What we're doing here is is just like I mentioned, 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.840 sitting down as friends talking about the reality of Panther 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.120 football right now in the act that this past weekend 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.800 was tough, it was rough, it was not a fun 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:11.960 weekend for Panther fans. Owner David Tepper said it best. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.880 But because we're a family friendly podcast, we can't say 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.720 exactly what he said, but he just said it was 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:22.400 a poopy weekend. Poopy. That'll be our line of the 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.120 week this week. Also, let's just get that out of 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:29.200 the way. That will be with a poopy weekend. So 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:33.400 as the reality of where we are, we're turning this 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.280 into we just want to help you out. We want 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.600 to hear your problems, we want to talk about it, 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.960 we want to help you work through it and to 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.560 get ready for the New Orleans Saints because this season, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:47.280 it moves quickly, it moves fast. So we've actually given 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:51.120 you more time than the players get. Then the team gets, 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.440 they get this twenty four hour rule to move on. 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.320 It's spoiler alert. It's been more than twenty four hours. 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.560 But some of you are so fired up in your 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.640 email and your voice smails that were left to us 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.160 when we put out a hotline for our group, he's 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.800 out there that we need to address some of the 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:12.560 emails and phone calls that we got, so welcome to 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:16.800 group therapy, our first client. Today. We're not gonna say 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.840 he's the front runner of our groupie fan club, but 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.360 if it was a competition, I think he would be winning. Agreed. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.640 You might know him on Twitter as the Mayor of 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:29.560 Flavor Town. He's not the mayor of Flavor Town. We're 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.719 not even sure if this is a fan account for 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.120 the Mayor of Flavor Town. But he's our mayor of 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:36.960 Flavor Town, and that's all that we need to max. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:41.039 Who's the actual mayor Flavor Town. Well, his abbey is 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.240 a image of Guy Fiertti. What you gotta make sure 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:50.680 you pronounce it right, Fietti Fietti. It's not fiery. Well, 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:52.800 probably what you were going to say, That's what I 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.880 was gonna say. That's that's also why I didn't say it, 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.000 though I knew it was wrong, So I just stuck 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.560 with Mayor Flavortown, hoping everyone knew. Well, we're gonna help 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.800 him out here because he sent an email that he 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.479 said originally was twenty words long, but he narrowed his 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:11.280 angle to just pick the top frustration for this season, 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:17.120 and it is as followed the defense, specifically, how did 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:22.400 this defense become completely inept and seemingly do so overnight. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.720 He then goes on to list a bunch of others. 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:30.159 There's a lot more, and Mayor, we're all about being thorough, 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.240 but for the sake of time, we're gonna skip over. 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.680 Although we did read your email, we're going to to 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.520 answer some of the things that you said. But my 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.400 favorite part of this entire email is at the bottom. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.400 He doesn't leave us his real name, your favorite Twitter, 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.560 which is kind of true. Mayor flavor Town with his 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:55.160 Twitter handle at j t f C underscore t M disclaimer. 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.159 I understand that making an NFL roster puts you in 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:02.560 the very, very small small percentage of athletes in the 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:06.920 world that I often trip walking up the stairs. I'm 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.320 in no position to criticize the athletic proudness of anyone, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.200 especially any of my beloved Panthers has shoutag keep pounding. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:21.560 We appreciate that. But you spent words saying otherwise self awareness. 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:25.360 I appreciate that he does. And he also put asterisks 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.159 in his paragraph where he would like that disclaimer to go, 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.920 which is perfect. It was right after did you notice that. Yeah, 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.200 it was right after the day. Oh yeah. It's kind 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:35.880 of funny though, Like you know, you don't remember the 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.960 Curb episode where it was like if you say, now, 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.360 having said that, you can pretty much say anything you 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.440 want after Like, so that's kind of what he's doing 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:49.039 here by providing that disclaimer. So like he acknowledges that 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.719 he's not an athlete. But now having said that, I'm 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.320 going to criticize every single thing about these athletes. Don't 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.719 take offense. No offense, but no offense. Again, I do appreciate. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.839 I do appreciate the email. Um, will do you have 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:04.520 initial thoughts to you? I mean to take the take 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:10.880 the first stab at this therapeutic response, I think, and 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:15.320 I don't want to sound like you necessarily heard this before, 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.400 but you know, playing defense in the NFL is hard. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:23.880 It's especially hard when the player that you drafted number 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.800 one first round this year to help shore up your 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.200 defensive line has been struggling with a risk injury for 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:34.000 the last six games. It's especially hard when you have 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.880 Probowl caliber players learning a new system that they have 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.360 to understand, they have to get and the system requires 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.640 from one part of it from a run defense part 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.240 of it. I think that there's you know, and they 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.200 coaches kind of went into it a little bit more 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.600 last week than he's done before, But there really are 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.320 there's a lot more ways to make mistakes in this 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.560 system against the run, and there has been in previous 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.320 iteration of this defense because there there's more space in 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.400 the middle, and guys have to make decisions at the 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.920 last second and in concert with each other's decisions all 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.000 the same time. You know, when you when you're holding 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:14.520 up a block and you have to decide am I 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:16.600 going left or right? And you have to do it 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.120 not too soon, not too late. You have to get 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:20.520 off of it, and then the guy next to you 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:22.480 has to get off his at the same time. I 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.120 think that's Will said in a simpler way. Is it 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.760 also just an adjustment going from this same system for 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.439 years to now? I think I think that's kind of 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:36.000 where I go first. Is just this is maybe there 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.680 have been some more growing pains, and we're initially anticipated 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.079 in switching, and I know they were doing this a 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.720 little bit before, but obviously this season we've seen more 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.480 of a drastic shift than we ever have as far 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.440 as how the front looks and how they're gonna operate. 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.800 And I think that's been a real adjustment for guys now. 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.880 I mean that seems and and guys, you know, you know, 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.000 throughout training camp, throughout the beginning of the season, like 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.040 you're you're going to say the right things. You're gonna say, Hey, 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.800 you know, you know that we've got this, we're learning this, 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.440 We're gonna be able to succeed. And you know, as 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.440 as you know, games happen in times happen. Yeah, it's taken. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.040 It's taken some time, I would say to I felt 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.400 like kind of a snowball effect was happening, where you know, 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.520 every defense is going to have, you know, a game 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.959 or two. It felt like for this defense when the 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.240 then that game or two first started happening, especially with 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:25.400 the run defense, over compensation really started to take place. 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:30.120 Whereas guys and Mayor Flavortown listed this in his email, 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.040 the names on the roster, I mean these are real 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.319 names here. I mean we're talking Luke, Keith Lee, Jerald McCoy, 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.240 Shack Thomps, and Eric Read. I mean these are Pro 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.320 Bowl caliber players, some of the better players on the 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.080 defensive side in the NFL. So the talent has never 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:44.800 really been an issue. But it seems like all these 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:46.880 talented guys, at one point another have tried to do 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.560 too much. Uh, and I think that is that has 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.360 hurt this defense At times throughout the season. The run 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.520 defense was better someday, it was an issue now in 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.240 the past. I mean, you gotta have a guy in 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.079 Calvin Ridley who had eight catches on eight targets for 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.560 a D forty three yards. I mean, of course we 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.800 know Julio Jones is going to do some damage. You're 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.679 never You're never gonna completely shut that guy out. And 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.640 you know, Matt Ryan was pretty comfortable all day. So 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.600 it's just kind of been one thing after another. Uh. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.880 Their defense has just struggled to really play that complete, 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.319 that elusive complete game, and I think frustration started to 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.520 set in, which led to some more issues, is what 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.360 I would say. And in defense, offense, and special teams, 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.199 you know, they talk about these things is distinct kind 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.880 of phases of the game, but in reality, you know, 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:37.280 these are people and when you're out there on defense, 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.040 you're feeling like you've got to get a stop, you've 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.240 got to get a takeaway because you know the offense 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.360 just you know, gave up a turnover in the red 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.559 zone because you just had a punt return for a touchdown. 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.600 Now you're downtown nothing because of you know, you're you're 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.160 trying to guard against you know, two Pro Bowl type 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.120 receivers and you know a quarterback that's now ranked tenth 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.880 all time in the NFL history in passing yards. Like 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:00.319 you feel like you have to make a life. So 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.680 when you go a little bit too much on one side, 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.480 you try to really bite on something to make a play, well, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.960 then maybe you get beaten on the back side. Yeah, 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.040 And I think then this is another line from his email, 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.240 um Ron's resumes defensive coach speaks for itself. That plus 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.680 the talent on this roster leaves the defensive results on 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.520 the field a bit of a mystery. And I can't 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:22.319 argue with that. I think that's that we all came 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.640 into the season thinking this defense has potential to be 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.880 among the best in the NFL. Has not been among 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.280 the best in the NFL this season. And I think 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:36.160 he you know, points out, not wrongly that um that's 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:40.400 been frustrating to watch because seemingly all the pieces are there. 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.040 I'm with you, guys, I think the bottom line and 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.640 what you guys were saying, and when you look at 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:51.480 it from the big picture, is this over correction of 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:55.120 this defense started out really really hot this season, and 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.280 you know, we're talking they're still up there in a 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.200 lot of categories because of how well they started. But 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.280 now in these last couple of weeks, the run defense 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.120 has been a problem. So then, you know, I think 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.080 Luke Kickley has maybe tried to be the hero and 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.520 he's trying to do too many things instead of just 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.040 staying in the middle of the field and orchestrating where 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.080 that defense is lined up. And then you finally get 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.120 the run defense clicking this past week, but then your 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.560 secondary struggles to be able to shut down the past 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.959 I think it is this complimentary football just on the 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.439 defense that we haven't seen that, you know. I think 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.480 that defensive line does hide a lot of the youth 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.760 in the secondary, and when they showed up the run 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.800 and they took away the run, it exposed the youth 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.240 in the secondary. I think there's just the give and 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.560 take of this defense. Don Terry Post said it, you know, 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.080 to me last week. We haven't been playing together long, 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.400 and yes, they can't use that excuse all the time, 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.240 and he said, it's not an excuse. We don't take 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.800 it that way. But it seems like every game we 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.840 leave saying, oh, we learned something new about us as 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.400 a defense today, and whether it's a corre action that 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.320 they need to make or hey, let's continue to do this. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.360 And the talking to him after the game, I said, 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.360 is it a win for you guys to stop the run? 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:08.760 And he said, sure, it's a win, But then we 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.200 gave up a lot of plays in the passing games, 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:15.160 so there's still this Ying and Yang effect that they 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:16.600 need to figure out. I think you hit on it 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.280 with the phrase complimentary football. I think you could say 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.440 that about the defense with the run in Pasty, and 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:24.360 I think you can extend that to the entire team 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.240 right now because if you look at the defensive performance 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.560 against Atlanta, it was terrific early on. It was the 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.640 reason Carolina was in the game, Like it could have 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:38.360 been really bad or nothing and half completely. I mean 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:42.079 they forced they forced three successive field goal attempts from 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.959 Atlanta with short fields. Okay, they missed one of those 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.680 attempts too, so they were putting the Panthers offense in 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.000 position to get back in the game at a certain point, 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.520 there's only so much a defense can take before you're 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.360 going you can you can only bend so much right. 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.920 Eventually you're gonna break if if you're continuing to have 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.400 to face short fields and you're not getting support from 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:03.959 the offense. And I think that's kind of what happened. 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.200 So I do want to give credit to the defense 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.920 for making this competitive early on and putting Caroline in 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.480 position to get back in it. As we know, the 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.200 offense couldn't get roleing and it never happened for the Panthers. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.560 But that defensive performance in that first half is what 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.720 allowed this team to have a chance, and I think 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.400 that's important to say. I just want to say I've 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.560 had a breakthrough. This has nothing to do with the podcast. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.360 I've had something in my eye since game day in 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.640 the fourth quarter, and I just got it out. That's 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.880 huge in this moment. I don't I don't even know 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:41.640 what it was. Yeah, we're done. Podcast therapy is complete. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.880 I feel better and that's all that matters. You guys, 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.360 imagine how annoying it is have something in your eye 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.400 for days. Yeah, I don't know how you manage. I'm 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.200 just saying it was on my eyelid and I finally 0:14:54.280 --> 0:15:00.680 just found it, and wow, WHOA, I feel better. All right, 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.080 we can move on now, but we're gonna stick to 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.800 the defense. We had a fantastic caller. He's anonymous. He 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.200 didn't want to leave his name, so we're just gonna 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.960 call him the caller from Clover, From Clover, from Clover. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.200 And here is what the color from Clover had to say. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:21.240 I'm struggling to figure out what happened to the pass rush. 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:25.000 They had an unreliable pass rush against Arizona in Houston, 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:33.320 and yesterday Matt Ryan moves to the sign and was suck. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:43.600 Tell us how you really feel, caller from Clover. He sucked? Well, boys, 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.760 help him out. Caller from Clover. We're here to help. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.400 I think, first of all, I think the sucked is 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:53.280 just referring to like just how much it sucked, just 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.960 that he kept avoiding the pressure because the pressure was there. 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.200 They kept getting Ryan off his spot. He was moving 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.800 around the pocket and and that's the first thing you 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:04.760 have to do to have success against a guy like him. 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.960 You let him stand back there, he'll pick you apart. 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.800 So I thought the rush was active and they had 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.920 him moving all sorts of ways. You just gotta give 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:15.880 Matt Ryan a lot of credit for the way he played. 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:17.920 And again, this is a former NFL m v P. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.840 This guy is good. And the Panthers did what they 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.360 wanted to do. They had him moving around and he 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.600 made a lot of plays on the run. And whether 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.680 it was just fine he checked downs or keeping his 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:31.160 eyes down field and finding guys open. Uh. They sacked 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.920 him three times, and they had nine quarterback hits Kyle 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.160 and had ten quarterback hits against him. So you know, 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:38.680 I'm sure we're at some point going to talk about 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.600 the rush that Kyle had to deal with always hit 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.840 one less match that Ryan was hit one less time. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.840 So the pass rush was very active for Carolina. But 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:51.360 Matt veteran quarterback in this league, obviously was able to 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.360 withstand that and make plays in light of the fact 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.560 that he had guys in his face all day. And 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.840 as a defense, I know people don't want to hear this, 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:00.880 especially after a game that but at a certain point 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.160 you tip your cap and say, you know, especially from 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.000 Carolina's D line perspective, that they got after him, you know, 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.439 And and again I think that's this is this is 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.440 one of those cases where a really good quarterback made 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.720 really good quarterback plays And how many times did it 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.360 feel like you know, almost, they're almost, they're almost there, 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.520 and then he gets the ball off just the last second, 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.359 gets hit and then forty yards down the field, what 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.960 like a play is made? Like what like? How? How 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.360 did how did that happen? Right? You know, and you're 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.679 just like you did everything you can too. You know, 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.480 you almost get to him and he's like on his 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.359 back foot just heaving the ball up and boom forty 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.960 yards later, Julio Calvin. You know, a catch is made 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.240 downfield and you know at some point you know, yeah, 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.800 the past rush, you know, forced it and made him 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:45.320 get out there. But you've got to make a play 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.240 on the ball downfield. And you know his guys made 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:48.880 plays for him, Yeah they did, you know. I mean, 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:50.760 I think that's that's an important part of this too, 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.360 is there's a certain confidence when you're playing offensive football 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.280 that comes with if you're going to take a shot 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.040 and a guy makes a play for you, what that does? 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.520 Burt Group and you saw that happen to Caroline offense. 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.639 You know, Reggie Bonifon's dropped down the scene early in 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.960 the game. There was a chance there for a big 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.720 spar play. It didn't happen. And I think that's that 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.520 that was a real difference between the two days for 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.520 the offenses. Where guys are on Atlanta were taking turns 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.280 making plays, guys in Carolina were taking turns making mistakes. 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.119 And there's there's something about this Atlanta team and this 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.280 Panthers team the last four years. Man. I mean, there's 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:29.520 seven of eight Falcons eight. We're gonna get to this 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.920 next one. We're gonna lump at least my point from 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.280 this past rush too. Then this next question, I think 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.800 go hand and hammer. We're talking about how Matt Ryan 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.960 handled the pass rush verse, how Kyle Allen handled the 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:46.920 past rush. So this is from Will not Greer Jones 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.680 on Twitter. But although it could be Will Greers Burner 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:54.159 account because of what was said at the end of 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.040 this email, So that's still that's still out there as 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.760 a possibility. We're going to follow up on that. But 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:03.960 he starts his email with a question, which I love. 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.520 I just feel like they really set the tone for 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.720 how we should be reading this email. And the question 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.879 is what we asked, what am I struggling with As 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:15.119 a Panthers fan, you ask watching Kyle Allen every week, 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.200 anyone who knows what they are doing when evaluating a 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.960 quarterback can tell you that he is a problem. Poor 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:24.800 pocket awareness, poor processing, poor decision making, and his deep 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:29.280 ball is non existent. We asked, I guess we did 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:33.000 ask for what people were struggling with, easy Will Jones. 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.760 Here's why I want to double this up though, with 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:39.879 the last struggle of of our of our dear friend 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.560 color from Clover. The difference between I think that what 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.160 you're saying of of Kyle Allen took one more hit 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.360 than Matt Ryan did. There is a maturity level here. 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.760 Matt Ryan, He's a proven quarterback in this league. He 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:58.560 has seen this before. There have been two games, really, 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.880 I would say this season that Kyle Allen has been 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:07.359 pressured the way San Francisco and then this pass game 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.920 against the Falcons. I think we're the two games where 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:16.240 you saw Kyle Allen not settle down and for good reason. 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.119 Let's think about it for a second. He's getting a 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:19.960 lot of pressure on him. He can't set his feet, 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:24.159 he can't, you know, feel comfortable back there the offensive line. 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:27.760 This was a new ish We've seen this, but this 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.080 was Greg Little's first game back and who he was 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:32.080 going up against with that pass rush. There were a 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:34.960 lot of things that were happening. I'm not going to 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.560 agree with you here, will not Greer Jones that he 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:42.360 has poor pocket awareness, poor processing. Some of his decision 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:45.440 making was a little questionable. And you know against Atlanta 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.639 and the deep bone is non existent. Here's where I 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:50.600 want to sit on this one. This last deep ball. 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:54.000 Jake Delon was on the call for the radio and 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.120 he made a great I thought a great point about 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.320 the deep ball from Kyle Allen. What we saw from 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:03.160 Matt Ryan was on this deep ball, he overthrew the receiver. 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.560 Kyle Allen's not doing that right now. He's not just 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:08.760 airing it out. That's what Jake was saying. Just air 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:10.800 the ball out and see if your receiver can go 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.359 make a play. What's happening right now is it looks 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.440 like Kyle is just trying to complete the pass instead 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.439 of overshooting it when you're in coverage like they are 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:23.040 deep down the field. I think that was probably to me, 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.040 the most frustrating in the game against Atlanta, just because 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.960 Matt Ryan was completing those passes in a game where 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.639 maybe it wasn't Matt Ryan and it wasn't Julio Jones 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.240