WEBVTT - What We Can Learn about Criminal Justice from Luigi Mangione (3 of 3)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with us as we continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>Weekly Studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I am your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Rams this job.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Rams this job. I am q Ward. You

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<v Speaker 2>are tuned into Civic Cipher, Yes, indeed, and stay tuned

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<v Speaker 2>because we've got some more to talk about. If you've

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<v Speaker 2>been paying attention to the news, you might know the

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<v Speaker 2>name Luigi Mangioni. And normally this isn't something that we

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's well covered in the news.

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<v Speaker 1>But we've made some interesting connections Q in particular, and

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<v Speaker 1>we thought this was worth worth discussing because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes things look a little funny and you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>and so we will. So stay tuned because we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about obviously who he is if you don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're gonna present the way he's being framed in

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<v Speaker 1>a decidedly black lens and you you know, take from

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<v Speaker 1>it what you will, but we we think there might

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<v Speaker 1>change world together, all right. Luigi gi Mengioni, you know

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<v Speaker 1>we work at the Black Information Network. Man, we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the news. You know, we we we're supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>consume and discuss the news with a black perspective. You

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<v Speaker 1>and I have been black our whole lives since the eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not impossible that we might connect some dots

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<v Speaker 1>that the mainstream news sources might not connect. Even if

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<v Speaker 1>we worked at those mainstream news sources, we would connect

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<v Speaker 1>the dots that those other folks might not connect. And

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<v Speaker 1>this story has been sort of confusing at different points

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm like, Okay, is this what's happening here? Like

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<v Speaker 1>this a class warriors? Is this guy one of us?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this guy one of them? You know? And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know who us and them is? But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you get what I'm trying to say. How you process

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<v Speaker 1>the details as the story it continues to unfold. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're like me and you are still just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of watching it all unfold, stay tuned. But if if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not like me, and you're not like you, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're not in a newsroom, you know, six days a

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<v Speaker 1>week consuming all the news that exists, this might be

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<v Speaker 1>news to you. So allow us to just paint a

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<v Speaker 1>brief picture for you, all right. This from the Associated Press,

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<v Speaker 1>The man accused of fatally shooting the CEO of United

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<v Speaker 1>Healthcare wrote quick backstory. There was a video that came out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you all saw it, but for those that hadn't,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a man who's walks up to the CEO

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<v Speaker 1>as he's walking down the street, shoots him in cold

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<v Speaker 1>blood and gets on a bike and rides away. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it appeared to be a targeted attack. There was no robbery,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing like that. He's out in front of a hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>walks up to the guy, shoots him. He falls on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground, then he bounces to the ounce. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>So that man pleaded not guilty on Monday to state

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<v Speaker 1>murder and terror charges, while his attorney complained that comments

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<v Speaker 1>coming from New York's mayor could make it tough to

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<v Speaker 1>create and receive a fair trial. Luigi Mangioni, aged twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>was shackled and seated in Manhattan court when he leaned

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<v Speaker 1>over to a microphone to enter his plea. The Manhattan

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<v Speaker 1>District Attorney charged him last week with multiple counts of murder,

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<v Speaker 1>including murder of as an act of terrorism, in a

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<v Speaker 1>state case that will run alongside his federal prosecution. His

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<v Speaker 1>initial appearance in New York State trial court was preempted

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<v Speaker 1>by federal prosecutors bringing their own charges over the shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>The federal judges could sorry the federal charges could carry

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility of the death penalty, while the maximum sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>for the state charges is life in prison without parole.

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<v Speaker 1>When a Mangioni's attorneys told a judge that government officials,

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<v Speaker 1>including New York Mayor Eric Adams, have turned Mangioni into

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<v Speaker 1>a political pawn, robbing him of his rights as a

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<v Speaker 1>defendant by tainting the jury pool. Maggioni was arrested in

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<v Speaker 1>a Pennsylvania McDonald's after a five day search, carrying a

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<v Speaker 1>gun that matched the one used in a shooting and

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<v Speaker 1>a fake ID. Police said he was also carrying a

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<v Speaker 1>notebook expressing hostility towards the health care, health insurance industry

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<v Speaker 1>and especially wealthy executives. According to federal prosecutors and Ivy League.

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<v Speaker 1>Graduate from a prominent Maryland family, Mangioni appeared to have

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<v Speaker 1>cut himself off from family and friends in recent months.

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<v Speaker 1>He posted frequently online about his struggles with back pain.

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<v Speaker 1>He was never a United Healthcare client, according to the insurer.

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<v Speaker 1>The killing has prompted some to voice their resentment at

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<v Speaker 1>US health insurers, with Mangioni serving as a stand in

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<v Speaker 1>for frustrations over coverage denials and hefty medical bills. It

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<v Speaker 1>is also sent shockwaves through the corporate world, rattling executives

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<v Speaker 1>who say they've received a spike in terror threats. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so Q, I know that you've connected some dots there.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a little bit more to share, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to open up the Florida you to jump in,

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<v Speaker 1>just because I know that there was a reason that

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to talk about this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>It came from I think that I have more questions

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<v Speaker 2>than connected dots.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's fair. That's fair.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some things that we just have to assume to

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<v Speaker 2>be true because we're not investigative reporters in this manner.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe it's just inconsistencies in the information that was provided.

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<v Speaker 2>But when there was a suspect at large before this

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<v Speaker 2>young man was arrested and you know, paraded across our

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<v Speaker 2>TVs and had a movie style super villain type perp walk,

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<v Speaker 2>we just saw photos photos of a young man, face covered, hoodie, jacket, backpack.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure I'm not the only person that noticed

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<v Speaker 2>that the hoodie, the jacket, the mask, and the backpack

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<v Speaker 2>are different. And a lot of the photos that were present,

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<v Speaker 2>which could be intentionally confusing, could be unintentionally confusing, could

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<v Speaker 2>be presented by sources without proper vetting. All these different

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<v Speaker 2>things can lead to all these different versions of the

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<v Speaker 2>information being presented to the public. And then you get

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<v Speaker 2>to public sentiment because many may have noticed a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people weren't really angry about what happened. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I have to press pause because I'm a father and

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<v Speaker 2>I have children, right, and the idea that it should

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<v Speaker 2>be okay too because a system has failed you take

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<v Speaker 2>out a gun and walk up and take someone's life

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<v Speaker 2>on the street should be ridiculous to everyone. However, circumstances

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<v Speaker 2>and a person's potential mind state might make you at

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<v Speaker 2>least say, oh, he shouldn't have done it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't agree that he did it that way. I

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely condemn how he did it. Didn't think what he

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<v Speaker 2>did was wrong, but I understand why he felt like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And as a black person in this country, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>difficult to mentally take yourself to the point where you

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<v Speaker 2>do not agree, do not condone, but understand that when

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<v Speaker 2>it feels like every system that is in places against

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<v Speaker 2>you and has failed you repeatedly, which you think wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be the case for this young man in this country,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to pause for a second and try to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out how come so many people in the public

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<v Speaker 2>are tattooing this man's face, and he's got his own

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<v Speaker 2>little cult following of fans and fangirls and people that

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<v Speaker 2>want to write letters, and he's become a sort of

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<v Speaker 2>pseudo celebrity in that way, not just a purp and

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<v Speaker 2>a heinous crime. The intention in the video, if you've

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<v Speaker 2>watched it, there are other people present. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting that the word terrorism or terrorist was included

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<v Speaker 2>in the charges brought against this man who took out

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<v Speaker 2>a gun and shot one person, did not attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot anyone else, did not disarm his weapon or i'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>discharge his weapon in the direction of anyone else. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very very premeditated, I'll take but interesting to call it

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<v Speaker 2>an act of terrorism when we've had people like Kyle

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<v Speaker 2>Rittenhouse and or name the mass shooter who didn't kill

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<v Speaker 2>a rich white American and that word was never brought up.

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<v Speaker 2>That word was never used, even when they killed an

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<v Speaker 2>even when they killed mass people. You know why, though,

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<v Speaker 2>It's because it's white on white crime, white on rich

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<v Speaker 2>white crime, which is an entirely different thing. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all of it just it gives you pause. It makes

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<v Speaker 2>you like, yo, something's off here. Yeah, because if you

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<v Speaker 2>read the story, it sounds straightforward. A guy walked down

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<v Speaker 2>the street, took out a gun, killed someone, got arrested,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's going to jail. Nothing to talk about here.

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<v Speaker 2>But like you said, if you watch the news, or

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<v Speaker 2>if you're on social media, or if you've been paying

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<v Speaker 2>attention to this story at all, it has from the

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<v Speaker 2>very onset felt different. Something was different. And this system

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<v Speaker 2>United States, of all forms. You pay into this fund

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<v Speaker 1>And if nothing bad happens.

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<v Speaker 2>If nothing bad happens, that you don't get a rebate,

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<v Speaker 2>pay them more money the next time around to continue

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<v Speaker 2>just and do nothing for you. And that's legal, and

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<v Speaker 2>have coverage, you will be fined. But if somebody sign

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<v Speaker 2>swipes you and keeps going and you're not hurt that bad,

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<v Speaker 2>they can decide we'll fix some of it. You've been

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<v Speaker 2>paying us without accident for twenty years, we'll fix some

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Maybe you've been paying us without incident for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they said something recently. If you're on an

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a preexisting condition, we won't cover you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you have coverage, but not for that thing that you

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<v Speaker 2>thought you did. And people die because these billion dollar

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<v Speaker 2>corporations that they pay to ensure them, to protect them

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<v Speaker 2>in the event that something happens to them, decide we

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to And when tens of thousands or hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of thousands or millions of people have to see their

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<v Speaker 2>loved ones die because the company they paid to ensure

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<v Speaker 2>them decided they didn't feel like it, over and over again,

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<v Speaker 2>because their corporation is not people. It's like these oppressive,

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<v Speaker 2>racist systems that we brought up before. They're not held

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<v Speaker 2>to the same level of scrutiny or the same level

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<v Speaker 2>of accountability. That corporation, by inactivity killed someone by the thousands,

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<v Speaker 2>by the hundreds of thousands, by the millions. And they

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<v Speaker 2>still get their pension, their bonuses, their vacation, their PTO,

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<v Speaker 2>their checks every month, every week, every other week, i'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>every year, profits, record breaking profits, and they get to

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<v Speaker 2>decide whether you live or die, and no one turns

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<v Speaker 2>and no one cares. So in this case, this young

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<v Speaker 2>man cared a lot, and his action may have zero impact.

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<v Speaker 2>Right It might start a conversation briefly, but we are

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<v Speaker 2>so callous as a nation and as human beings right

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<v Speaker 2>now we'll move on and we won't care. We have

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<v Speaker 2>fully accepted that this is just the way things are

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<v Speaker 2>across everything, politics, life, humanity. We live in a world now,

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<v Speaker 2>quite literally, where the rich are saying let them eat cake,

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<v Speaker 2>lining their pockets at the expense of our well being

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<v Speaker 2>and have convinced half of us to support them while

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<v Speaker 2>they do it. It's masterful, it's masterful, but it's diabolical.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Listen, I want to say something just because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel led on this show we have to have

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<v Speaker 2>conversations about race. Such as the nature of the conversations

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<v Speaker 2>that we have on this show, we don't broach these subjects.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't do any healing when we talk about race.

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<v Speaker 2>We talk about things in general terms. And I want

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<v Speaker 2>to just put a note in here that we understand

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<v Speaker 2>and recognize and respect that individuals are individuals. Individuals are

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<v Speaker 2>smart individuals or beautiful. Individuals are compassionate, individuals are wonderful,

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<v Speaker 2>but groups of people tend to be really ugly. We

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<v Speaker 2>also specifically talk about white men quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>On this show, and I want to affirm on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of myself and Q for those who might just be

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<v Speaker 1>coming to this conversation, we love white men the same

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<v Speaker 1>as any other human being on this planet. It is

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of my very being to love. I got

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<v Speaker 1>one setting, that's it. Do I get frustrated, yes, but

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<v Speaker 1>there is no hate in my heart. Okay, So when

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about white men in general terms. We are

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<v Speaker 1>talking specifically about the the white man that benefits from

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<v Speaker 1>and perpetuates those same invisible forces that ultimately oppress or

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<v Speaker 1>disenfranchise the rest of us. We know that there are

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<v Speaker 1>white men on various rungs of that latter. Some are

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<v Speaker 1>uber hateful and they are out loud with their racism,

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<v Speaker 1>and some are exceptionally kind and benevolent, and everyone in between,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone is on their journey, such as the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of any being endowed with consciousness, certainly so with human beings.

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<v Speaker 1>I am growing as a human being, all of us,

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<v Speaker 1>Homo sapiens sapiens. This is the nature of our life.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I feel like I need to disclose this

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Both Q and I have best friends that

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<v Speaker 1>are white men. You know, shout out to Tommy, shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to Kevin Bulekev that we grew up with, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and their families and their families have loved it. So

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure that that is well stated.

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<v Speaker 1>But also those white men understand that they live in

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<v Speaker 1>a world where they got some some advantages that other

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<v Speaker 1>people don't help have just the same way that I

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<v Speaker 1>rams this jaw Rudy King Taylor The second understands that

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<v Speaker 1>I live in a world where I have advantages that

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<v Speaker 1>my own sisters do not enjoy. And my sisters are

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<v Speaker 1>smarter than me. They're better looking than me, more ambitious

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<v Speaker 1>than me, pick a thing, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>But I, because I was born with, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>Y chromosome, I got some access that they that either

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have or it's a little bit more challenging

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<v Speaker 1>for them to get there. So I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that that stated. Another part of this that I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to share, and this comes from Hollywood Unlocked. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let me back up a little bit. Those of you

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<v Speaker 1>that remember Derek Chauvin. He was the guy that kneeled

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<v Speaker 1>on the neck of George Floyd for eight minutes, causing

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<v Speaker 1>George Floyd to lose his life. He has gotten with

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<v Speaker 1>another doctor and petition the court in Minnesota to allow

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<v Speaker 1>him to have some evidence pieces of George Floyd's heart

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<v Speaker 1>material and his bodily fluids, so that they can try

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<v Speaker 1>to build a new case to somehow suggest that George

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd was going to die anyway, and that Derek Chauvin

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do with his death. This We're all going to die anyway. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So what they're suggesting is that George Floyd is more

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<v Speaker 2>responsible for his own death, or.

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<v Speaker 1>That Derek Chauvin was not responsible at all. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a judge in Minnesota who said, you know what, there's

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<v Speaker 1>enough here for me to reopen this or rehash this case.

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<v Speaker 1>I read the details, so you'll get him. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a judge in Minnesota that says, you know what, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's enough for me. And there in lies part of

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<v Speaker 1>what I think the point you've been trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>you is that a lot of times we'll see that

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<v Speaker 1>benefit of the doubt. A lot of times the fear

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<v Speaker 1>associated with black people won't be associated with white people

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<v Speaker 1>in the same circumstances doing the same thing. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times, the grace that we ask be, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>deployed evenly throughout the population is simply reserved for one

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<v Speaker 1>group of people. And of course that sounds like how

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<v Speaker 1>I feel. But the data, the conviction rates, the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of arrests are made, would certainly support that feeling, that

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion that I've arrived at right, And so what we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at and I'll share Hollywood Unlocked. According to doctor Shazel,

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd appeared to have died from a high level of

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<v Speaker 1>cat kick cola mines, which CBS News reports is a

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<v Speaker 1>neural hormone important in stress response associated with the fighter

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<v Speaker 1>flight response. How about that or Tako Tsubo myocardith this

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<v Speaker 1>myocard died. This maybe a heart condition that develops in

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<v Speaker 1>response to intense emotional or physical experience. Okay, so this

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<v Speaker 1>is Derek Chauvin's case, hinges on this Doctor Schazel's theory

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<v Speaker 1>that George Floyd died because his heart was stressed out

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<v Speaker 1>because of fighter flight. Okay, Yeah, if someone's kneeling on

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<v Speaker 1>your neck, you're going to be feeling that you're an

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<v Speaker 1>experience at or it's this other condition, the mileo k

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<v Speaker 1>card death, this which develops in response to an intense

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<v Speaker 1>emotional or physical experience, right, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Having your neck kneeled on.

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<v Speaker 1>He changed you. So what happens? A judge says, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's put everybody through this all over again. The George

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd's family, the community, the country, the world. Let's put

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<v Speaker 1>them all through this again because the benefit of the doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though we all, all of us reasonable people could

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<v Speaker 1>look at that and be like, well, clearly the George

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<v Speaker 1>flow would be alive and well, if this guy wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>kneeling on his neck, he is the reason we all

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<v Speaker 1>saw the video. We saw it multiple times. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to see it forever. It's going to be taught about

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<v Speaker 1>in classrooms forever. But that benefit of the doubt exists there.

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<v Speaker 1>It exists with a lot of these individuals, and it

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<v Speaker 1>seldom exists for people when your skin is black and

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking at this guy the I forget his name,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, imagine a black man shooting a white

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<v Speaker 1>man that's having a stroke and the stroke being blamed

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<v Speaker 1>for the death. Well, that's an interesting question uponder in

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<v Speaker 1>a great place to leave it. Thank you all for

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<v Speaker 1>tuning in for this episode and for every episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Civic Cipher. I have been your host, Rams's job.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Ramsy's jah. I am q ward. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>once again for ridding with us and hearing out our

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<v Speaker 2>perspective on some sometimes very very difficult stories. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and you know it might be our last

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the year, so I've interesting twenty of my

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<v Speaker 1>opinions Beyond that, it's an interesting twenty twenty four. But listen, man,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in it together and we're going to continue to

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<v Speaker 1>do our part again. This show is based in love.

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<v Speaker 1>We just have challenging conversations that don't always sound like it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I promise that that's every waking moment of our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>We exist, we walk in love, and we appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>trusting us with your time and, as you mentioned, hearing

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<v Speaker 1>out our perspective. And until next year, y'all peace,