WEBVTT - The Quiet Zone, NSA Surveillance + WI-FI Daredevils 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:07.400 Really really. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:13.680 No, really, Hello everybody, Welcome to really No Really. I'm 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:17.520 Jason Alexander. I'm here with my best friend Peter Tilden. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.840 And you may ask why am I speaking so quietly? 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:22.480 Because there's a golf game in the other room? What 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:23.720 are you talking about? What are you doing this for? 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.960 It's a theme. I'm on theme. Our theme today? Are 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:28.760 really today has to do with quiet? 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:30.960 Does it not? Yeah? 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:34.559 Well, so I'm setting a tone. I'm not allowed to 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:35.240 set a tone. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.240 Wow, you're like magic. It's like working with magic anyway. 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.440 Today is about the quiet, Yes, because because we found 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.280 out there's a quiet zone in the United States. It's 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.760 thirteen thousand square miles lard no Wi Fi? 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:50.240 What? 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.680 No Wi Fi? No cell phones? And we wanted to 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.360 find out from a guy who visited and wrote about it. 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.560 Are the people there happier because we talked about technology 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.400 and cunning back on your cellphone? Every week I get 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:05.480 to another article about on Fridays, do quiet Friday for 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:06.800 four hours? And I go shut up? 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:09.360 Where do you get Wait a minute, where do you 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.560 get an email? Who's sending you an email about quiet Fridays? 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.560 I was in radio for many years. Authors send me stuff, 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:16.319 I get stuff all. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.840 And they would send you a thing saying, hey, respect 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:19.760 quiet Friday. 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.920 Well, somebody wants to come on the show to promote 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.600 quiet to be healthier so you can have better mental hygiene. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.360 And that show went off the air. I can't believe 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.520 that is what a top picture was on for years. Anyway, 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:32.600 can we get to this? 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.520 Can I ask one another question? Thirteen thousand square miles 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:37.280 in the United States? 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.080 Is a quiet let's get let's get you? Did you 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.080 add a zero thirteenth? I believe. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.240 I believe one hundred and thirty square miles thirteen thousand 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.360 square miles. If you read at a stand behind me, 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:50.120 you read a thank you quyat where there's no technology, 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.360 no cell phones, no nothing, thirteen thousand. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:53.280 Where is this place? 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.360 I don't know, but I'm yearning to get there. It's 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.760 two and a half hours out of Washington. Stephen Curzy, 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.200 our guest visited there, wrote a book about it, has 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.680 moved about it. Stephen, thirteen thousand square miles, right. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.640 Right, that's the correct size. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.680 Yeah, well, I need floating. I need a minute. 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:14.680 Oh, let's take a moment of quiet gloating thirteen thousand 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.720 square miles and located where exactly, Stephen. 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.680 So it covers three states, West Virginia, Virginia, and a 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.079 little bit of Maryland as well. 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.560 I well, it must be quiet because I've never heard 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:26.720 of it. 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:28.480 A lot of people never heard of it. And that's 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.760 because explain what's there. It's our surveillance. Is there are 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.720 our telescopes and our listening devices for the country our station. 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:36.320 Correct. 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.560 Yeah, So maybe I can go back to the beginning 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.720 of why was established. So back in the nineteen fifties, 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.000 the United States was investing big in this new science 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.000 of radio astronomy. It's listening to those radio ways that 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.840 are coming in from the deep reaches of space. And 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.760 to establish a radio astronomy observatory, you got to put 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.000 it in a really radio quiet place, just like you 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.880 got to put an optical astronomy preservatory in a really 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.760 dark place. And this area of West Virginia a kind 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.120 of circled around Green Bank, West Virginias and the Appalachian Mountains. 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.640 There it was deemed one of the quietest places on 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.040 the eastern United States and the most suitable place for 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.679 hosting this first National Radio Astronomy Reservatory. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.240 So you're saying it's listening to the stars, it's also 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.800 listening to Brenda in her bathroom in Colorado. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.400 Correct, well in a sense. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:25.960 Yeah. 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.520 So around the same time that the US was creating 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:34.600 this National Radiostromium Servatory, the US Navy was also active 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.920 out there in the Appalachian Mountains to establish a very 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:42.880 secretive listening post where to this day, the National Security Agency, 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.600 which is kind of like the intelligence armor of the 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.040 Department of Defense, operates its own collection at about a 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:53.400 half dozen radio antennas which are actively swooping up millions 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:57.920 of phone calls, messages, emails, everything every single second. 0:03:58.200 --> 0:03:58.680 Essentially. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.560 It's been called the large just eavesdropping bug in the 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.280 United States. So, yeah, there's this quiet zone for two reasons, 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.880 one for listening to the stars and also for listening 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:08.880 to this amazing Wow, And. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:13.240 You were complaining about the rumba gathering information on another show. 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:14.000 What's cool about this? 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.360 We've talked about tech and how teenagers are are ruined 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.760 and destroyed by tech and the fact that we underestimate 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.640 our screen time by one hundred percentage, which makes sense. 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:27.440 But I don't need to see my screen time. 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:28.240 I get it. 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.520 I get what I'm doing here, but Steven. The fascinating 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.040 thing about him before he went into the quiet zone. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.280 God rid if he traveled all over the world, He's 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.200 written articles for a lot of magazics. Gave up his 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:38.680 cell phone, so he didn't have a cell phone for 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:39.640 ten years. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:40.200 Yeah. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.200 Yeah, I it was back in two thousand and nine 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:43.840 when I last had a cell phone, and I just 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:45.640 kind of threw it away. I can just remember the 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.680 clinking sound of it landing inside. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:48.080 The garbage camp. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:49.000 Yeah. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.800 I've been living in Cambodia and I was traveling around 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.240 Asia and I just decided I wanted to take a 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.280 break from this device that wasn't going to work anyways 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.679 while I was traveling. When I got back to the US, 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.720 I didn't want to spend money on this fancy news 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.520 smartphone that everybody was pressuring me to get. And that 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.880 turned in two weeks, turned into months, turned into this 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:12.480 philosophical aversion to a culture of constant connectivity where were 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.240 forced to always be looking at this device. 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.640 And having an honest all the time and being available 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:18.880 for everybody all the time. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:23.120 I've just rejected that, and eventually that desire to live 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.960 that way led me to Green Bank, West Virginia where 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.520 it's quiet, not just naturally but by law. 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:30.520 And now we know why we had so much trouble 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:31.560 getting him to return a call. 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:32.880 Yeah, the guy goes, never. 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.280 Never had a phone, can't brother, I thought, can't be bothered. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.479 I love that one guy writing about clients. So was 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:43.200 this like an when they established this thirteen thousand square 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.159 mile was this an imminent domain thing? Did Brenda and 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.719 green Bank get to say, I'm not so happy about this? 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.200 Or was it imposed on people in a sense? 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.280 Yeah, I mean any remote communities that doesn't have a 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.719 whole lot going on economic wise would be thrilled to 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.440 have this huge investment of federal dollars. But at the 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.960 same time, when you're the person whose farm is getting 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.680 paved over to build this new astronomy observatory and to 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:12.720 have these new devices being erected in your out pasture 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.839 or whatever, you're not going to be the most sprilled. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.680 So there were some cases of eminent domain being used 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.800 to take farmers lands. The astronomy observatory it covers like, 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.880 it's over two thousand acres in that patch of green Bank, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:25.920 West Virginia. 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.800 So when we say a quiet zone, do we mean 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.440 merely technologically quiet, or is it like no fireworks, no 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:40.640 radios after ten o'clock. Is it really restricted in that 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:41.280 way as well? 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.520 No, it's not. It's only restricted in the radio noise sense. 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.080 Radio noise which is given off by your microwave oven 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.200 or are your smartphone, or even by starting up your 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.360 gasoline car, which is why on the observatory itself, you're 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.840 only supposed to have diesel engines beyond a certain point 0:06:57.960 --> 0:06:59.760 because they don't have a spark plug inside that's going 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.200 to give off that radio wave. If you think about it, 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.279 radio noise tends to be associated or to come with 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.720 actual audible noise, like a big factory making a lot 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:09.960 of noise is probably going to have a lot of 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.840 radio pollution coming off of it as well, So it 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.280 tends to be naturally quiet and radio quiet places I 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:15.520 would go. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.080 So there's still a dog barking, see I've missed mesophonia, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:19.320 which means background. 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:19.320 No. 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.240 It's like, if I'm talking to you right now, I'm fine. 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.720 But if there's a cadence of like scratching or my 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.239 dog like walks around with his nails on the wooden floor, 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.040 it drives me out of my mind. 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:29.360 I can't control it. It's like. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.560 It's horrible, especially if there's a cadence to it. So 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.360 I can't imagine in a quiet zone, if there's a 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.560 like dogs walking around barking, do they tell the dog 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:39.680 to shut up? Or it doesn't matter because it's not electromagnetic. 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.160 It doesn't matter if the dog has an electric blanket. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:43.960 That's malfunctioning. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.080 What is wrong with you? What does that mean? 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:50.920 This? 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:57.200 What is this condition? He's gonna need a Google time 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.280 check that giggle on yeah, yeah, Google time check. Yeah 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.800 I have If I have a disability, why are you laughing? 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:04.400 Why is it funny? 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.040 What is it? If your dog is walking around? 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.119 You can't If I hear nooid, Lauren, If I'm sitting 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:10.440 and talking in the front seat of the car to 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:12.840 somebody and somebody's in the back of the car talking, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.200 I lose my mind. And I don't do it intentionally. 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.400 It's not like Oh Lee's. It's that other noise is 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:23.040 so disruptive that it drives It actually drives me, drives me. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.400 So if I do this, yeah, I'm going to kill yes. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.520 For the rest of this interview. You won't be able 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.440 to focus, You won't be able to function. This is 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.360 making you crazy. You can't even understand. 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.520 Let me saying I can see the emails flying and 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.840 now telling stations shut when you punch Jake, that sound 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:37.520 I could do you. 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.480 Punch show you thirty years. I never know this about 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:40.760 you because you don't ask. 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:42.920 But that's a whole other show, a concern for other 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:44.520 people from a big star from Seinfeld. 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.719 So I heard big star everything else, Like that's that's 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:49.400 because you. 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.920 Don't hear that offer big says, you don't hear that off. 0:08:52.400 --> 0:09:00.559 Oh he has me so phony. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.280 Do they have television in the in the in the 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:06.000 quiet zone. 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.360 Yeah, they're just clarifying some misnumbers, like there's there's internet 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.000 in the quiet zone. It's not the land when the 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.640 internet ends, it's just supposed to be, you know, plugged 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.640 in internet. There's television. It's just supposed to be plugged in. 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:18.960 And the ring so they can see, they can see 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.880 run reruns a popular show. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:22.599 Oh here we go, here we go. So yes, you 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.360 couldn't walk on me. They could stream if they needed to. 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.560 They could stream a show. It wouldn't be wireless, but 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.320 they would stream it on a hard wire. What are 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.000 you trying to get at is even in the quiets 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.040 Gorge George stands yet No. 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:35.959 First of all, they can't yell it out. It's a 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:36.640 quiet zone. 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:41.600 They're allowed to yell no, nor yellow. 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.559 George in the quiet zone. I'm going quiet. 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.600 But let's get to it. So the people there limited 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.000 limited tech. I mean, after looking at the book, there 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.600 is some Wi Fi. There are people who don't adhere 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.280 to the worlds even though you're supposed to do. You 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.800 can get fined whatever. But by way, so there are people. 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.960 So this is an area where supposedly there's no real 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:04.040 available Wi Fi signals a tech, but people are gaming 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.560 the system. Sometimes I can't get a Wi Fi signal 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.000 with my house well, and I use a very prominent provider. 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:11.400 Yes, how do they pull that off? 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.600 It's still not ideal because you still have to use 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.320 a desktop, et cetera. But give us an overview of 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.120 these people about are they happier with face to face 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.640 or are they doing face to face? Does it look like Maybury? 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.000 There is everybody ever kno and board games? Are they 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.360 all playing inside? And it's lotti dot I'm really happy 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.080 because I'm not being judged online. 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:34.280 Yeah, that's a great question because when you first go 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.720 into the town. A lot of journalists have gone there 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.280 and written articles about it. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.760 You do get that Mayberry feeling. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.080 There's some quaint general stores, and people say things like 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.320 never had self service, never had Wi Fi, we don't 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.760 miss it. But then the longer you stay there, you 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.800 kind of start to see, oh, that family actually does 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:55.400 have Wi Fi at their home. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:56.120 It's just kind of. 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:57.679 Hidden in the closet, and they don't want to tell 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.320 the Observatory about it because they don't want to get 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.160 in trouble. Or you start, you know, kind of discovering 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.560 this culture and this history of quirky characters who've been 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.160 attracted to a super quiet place to kind of get 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.080 away from the all so they can go just like 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.400 the observatory, like the astronomers did. They wanted to go 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.240 to a place where they were quiet, could get away 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.920 from all the noise of society. There's lots of quirky 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:19.559 characters who are out there who have been trying to 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.480 get away from them all for various reasons. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.840 With face to face, do you see a difference. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.839 Is there an overall difference that people are a bit 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.680 happier because the tech is limited. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:29.560 Let's put it that way. 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.440 Yeah, there was actually an Italian researcher who did a 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.920 study where he interviewed a bunch of people around Pocahontas County. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.240 So Green Bank is in this county, which is the 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.320 size of a island. It's a state of sized county 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.160 called Pocahontas. They interviewed a bunch of people there and 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.160 also in a neighboring county where it doesn't have these 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.240 same quiet restrictions, and he found that people in the 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.280 quiet zone do you report being measurably happier and they 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.640 have less stress and they're less you know, freaked out, 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.760 I guess by having their devices all the time. There 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.240 was another researcher from the University of Illinois who went 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:03.440 out there and he found whereas in popular culture we 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.640 have this idea around dead zones, dead zones being places 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.360 that are lifeless or it's kind of like a glitch 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.320 in the matrix, it's this place that you want to avoid, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.800 these dead zones, but rather than it being a lifeless place, 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.200 the quiet zone, it's actually full of people who are 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.160 just more intentional about when they want to be online 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.120 and offline, and they can kind of re seize control 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.000 over this aspect of her lives that some many of 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.280 us had lost because we're always teethered. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:29.080 It's interesting. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.520 I've read about a teenager who and they venture out, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:33.760 they go to visit friends who are not in the 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.559 cuind zone, et cetera, and she has computers and all 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.520 of that. She comes back and said, I really missed 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.200 being outdoors and doing a lot of the stuff that 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.200 I did at home in the quiet zone. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.439 She wasn't done enamored with it being outside. Being outside. Yeah, 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.240 it was okay, and it's great. She went unlike a 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:50.360 room springer, and she did. 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:55.280 And by the way, the Amish only used different sex 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:59.319 use it differently, but they use it for commerce rather 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.400 than they leave it outside of the house. 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:02.400 There's all kinds of rules. 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.079 Because they don't want to be They don't want the 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.720 community to be absorbed into the outside community. And oddly enough, 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.280 a large percentage ofones could stay. So there must be 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:11.160 something to that. 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.960 Yeah, there's a strong sense of community of knowing everybody 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.920 there in Green Bay. In part that's because there's just 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:20.920 not a whole lot of people there. So it's a 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.640 Rhode Island sized county where there's only about eight thousand people. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.520 It's one of the most sparsely populated counties east of 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.120 the Mississippi River, which makes. 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:29.080 It a really quiet place. 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.840 Naturally in a great place to have this radio astronomy observatory. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.000 That also means that you're going to start seeing the 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.240 same people on a lot of the same events. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.440 So now all we've heard so far is that people 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.400 go to this place, they say either they were there 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:42.959 and they enjoy it and they stay, or they'll go 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:47.720 there specifically for it. So is you've lived there, Peter 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.400 reference to Mayberry. Is it all sunshine and light or 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.880 is there like an under barrel lead to the Quiet Zone? 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:55.959 Yeah? 0:13:56.040 --> 0:14:01.160 I mean it's not just radio scientists and NSSAY operatives 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.360 who've been attracted to the Quiet Zone. There's been a 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.640 whole host of like various groups over the decades, over 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.880 the past half century that this place has been around, 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:10.199 that have been attracted to this place. 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.800 And not all of them have been the most savory characters. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.480 Oh really, well, listen to the Neo Nazi encampment there right. 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.280 One of our country's most well known at one time, 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.760 the pre eminent Neo Nazi formation of the National Alliance, 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.960 which was founded by this guy named William Pierce who 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.480 wrote the Turner Diaries, which has been a key motivating 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.080 text for the far right. 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:31.600 Timothy McVeigh actually had. 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.960 That copy had the copy of that book in his 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.720 getaway car from Oklahoma City after perpetuating that bombing there. 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.640 So it's been a real motivating text. And he was 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.120 operating out there from the quiet Zone just just south 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.360 of Koream Bank for several decades. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.360 So you got neo Nazis out there. There's a strong 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:47.880 back to. 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.320 The lander hippie movement that has been attracted to this 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.640 super quiet place. You can imagine they want to get 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.920 away from culture and from the economy and to kind 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:57.080 of live off the land, so they've been. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:57.880 Attracted to this place. 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.600 A more recent is actually these people who believe they 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.560 have something called electromagnetic hypersensitivity. You two are probably familiar 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.760 with the show called Better Call Saul. Sure, Yeah, I 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.320 remember the character Chuck McGill who he's yeah, yeah, he's 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.680 made ill by Wi Fi, by sales service, by the lights. 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.040 Inside the buildings that he goes inside. So there's many. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.880 People who believe they have this this illness, and one 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.160 hundreds of them have gone out to Greenbank. 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.680 So do you here's that is that a sister a misophone? 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.680 Do be condescending which means talking down to So my 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:32.000 question for you is this. 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:33.640 You have all those people. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:37.120 Escaping the electromagnetic fields and cell phones and lights, and 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.120 they're there. I had heard, first of all, somebody committed 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.480 suicide there, shot herself in the head, right wall speeder 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.040 who went there for that reason to get away. So 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.560 that got some attention aside from hippies to hippies dying 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:52.040 mysteriously there. So the town has some stuff going on, 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.240 but the electromagnetic thing has never been proven medically. I 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.400 looked that up. I heard that in the quiet zone. 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.080 Now somebody got small, aren't in the real estate that 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:07.440 they put out advertising saying, hey, escape the world of 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.680 electromatic come here, and the real estate value started going 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:15.160 up because it's like like Jimmy Buffett Land for seniors. 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:15.560 Come here. 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.520 We'll charge your premium because we have margat readers at 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.080 five there they advertise. 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.960 No I don't have come come to us. Here's what 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:22.560 we don't have. 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:26.880 Yeah, we don't have beautiful don't computer there is, we 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.920 don't have cell phones, we don't have pools. We have 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.880 only one bathroom, we only have and there's no clubhouse, 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:34.080 and we charge you more for that. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:35.920 Is that brilliant? It's brilliant. 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.560 We provide nothing, and that's because you asked for it. 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.360 That is that accurate that people are actually moving there 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.240 and that the real estate has been inflated? 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:45.600 Absolutely? Yeah. 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.720 I talked to one of the biggest real estate agents 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.560 there in the county and he said, yeah, we get 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.880 a call pretty regularly from the electro sensitives or some 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.200 people who say we want to grou sensitive. 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:55.920 It's a group these things. Wow. 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.080 Yeah, and they cater to that. 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.360 So now like this is probably the only real estate 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.640 agency in the in the world that actually has like 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.000 a little icon or whatever on that property listing saying 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:07.280 in the quiet zone. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.879 You know, if a family summarize this, what I'm thinking about, 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:13.919 and I'm just getting this for the first time, is 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.560 you got neo Nazis there, who I'm sure want to 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.719 be away from interracial mixing. So they're there because it's 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:24.280 predominantly white and law enform you threw that away. It's 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.359 predominantly white, the quiet zone. 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.080 It's I mean, it's an apalasia. 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.119 I would assume I would assume, and that's why the 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.159 Neo Nazis moved there. They're not going to move a 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.840 place they go, Hey, let's go to a Benetton at 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:36.960