1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Really really donks look at this now. Tip to Tim. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell. 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 3: Oheh Levity, Levity, Donk and Donkerretz. It is Friday, December fourth, 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 3: twenty twenty. This right here is Morning Combat. My name 7 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 3: is Brian Campbell, the Big beij one, one half of 8 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 3: your thrice a week live duo. The man in the 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 3: other window on that side you know him, well that side. Yeah, 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 3: he's a Harry Bastard and he's one of the most 11 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 3: respected voices in the fight sphere today. A native of India, 12 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: but he bleeds Washington, d C at CBS Sports and 13 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: a HQ's own. Luke Thomas, Luke, It's Friday. That means 14 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 3: orange background, no Jay, no rules. 15 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: How you feeling, brother, I'm feeling okay. 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 4: I know it's a little bit early for you. Also, 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 4: where were you born? What city and state? Country? 18 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: Waterbury, Connecticut? Okay, the dirty water? 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 2: Yes? 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: Thank you? 21 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: Wow? You are as Connecticut. You and Brennan Ward. I'm 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 2: not sure who the King of Connecticut is one of 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: you two? 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: Well, that guy bangs I'll tell you that much. Not 25 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: so much on this side. Luke, it's great to be 26 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 3: back with you. I, of course, is day five of 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: my LA story, hopping on a jet plane after this 28 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: show raps, but they're a little NBC Sports Ring City 29 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 3: USA Boxing last night. Did you happen to see Brandon 30 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: the can and Adams sending that late replacement to Hell? 31 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: I certainly did. 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 4: I also saw you and your stalker gloves, but they 33 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 4: make everyone wear those, including the other dude who was 34 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: doing interviews, and then Sean Porter and his co host 35 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 4: whose name I forget, But yeah, it's a good looking 36 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 4: the TV project you got going there. But you know 37 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 4: what I wish that you know what you guys to 38 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 4: get really in the nineteen eighty Street Fighter video game, 39 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 4: feel you got to have some people like banging on 40 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 4: garbage cans, and you know that would be nice. 41 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 3: I mean, the OJ gloves are enough. You know, I'm 42 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 3: about to feel like I'm about to get acquitted here. 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 3: But yeah, great stuff we're doing there. We'll be back 44 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: December seventeenth at the Wildcard. But Luke, we got a 45 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: lot to get into today. Let's not forget Showtime, great network. 46 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: You want to try it today. Thirty months free go 47 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 3: to Showtime. I'm sorry, thirty thirty days free go to 48 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: Showtime dot com. Obviously your alternative would be to pound sand. 49 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: But today would be a good day, Luke, you could 50 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: say to join the Showtime Express because tonight on Showtime 51 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: nine pm Eastern and Pacific is the debut of Macho, 52 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: the Hector Camacho story. You can certainly hear more about 53 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 3: this in my MK interview that's up on YouTube with 54 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: director Eric Drafth. But Luke, I don't think you've had 55 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: the chance to screen it yet. Good God, I have 56 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: and it is all that and then some I'm really 57 00:02:59,000 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: excited about this. 58 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 4: What's the uh what's the run time on that? About 59 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 4: two hours or so? 60 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 3: I don't know. Time stands still when it's Macho time, 61 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: all right. I was, I was deeply involved in that. 62 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 4: I went through and you know, he for folks of men, 63 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 4: I know he retired Sugar Ray Leonard. Now Leonard was 64 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 4: forty one at the time and had, you know, trying 65 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 4: to make a comeback, and Camacho retired him, but like 66 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 4: he really retired him, stopped him in the fifth round 67 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 4: and Leonard that was that was it. That was the 68 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: end of the road for the great Sugar Ray Leonard, 69 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 4: and so I felt down a bit of a Camacho 70 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 4: rabbit hole. You know what's funny, man, everyone thinks about 71 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 4: those It was obviously his tragic death and those crazy outfits. 72 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: That dude could box his ass all. And by the way, 73 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: yeah beat up Freddy Roachel along the way. 74 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he thought everybody. And obviously the eighties 75 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 3: version of him and his prime, maybe before the Edwin 76 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: Rozzario fight, which he did win, but it changed him, 77 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: is different from the nineties pay per view villain we saw, 78 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: but Luke in the late eighties like being a kid 79 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: and seeing Comacho on the screen, it's like a fly 80 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: to freaking you know whatever the comparison is. I mean 81 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: it's he was so fricking charismatic that you could not 82 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: take as I remember the bill to the Vinnie Pasienzo fight. 83 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: I mean, it was insane. It was the first time 84 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: I learned a lot of really bad words. So shout 85 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: out to Camacho. Enjoy that doc. Also, you want to 86 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: be dressed for success this holiday season. You want to 87 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: outfit your abuela and something very nice. Please head on 88 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 3: over to store dot show dot com We got so 89 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: much MK merchant. It's very comfy. Look, it's very it's 90 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 3: form fitting. It really makes me feel like one hundred 91 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: dollar bill. 92 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 4: You know, I broke my MK tumbler yesterday. My wife 93 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 4: got me those things where you can make ice and 94 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 4: it's one giant ball of ice and you use it 95 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: for your cocktails. Well, your boy poured himself a little 96 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 4: whiskey last night, which I know is totally out of character. 97 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: And I put the and I. 98 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: Put the thing in the whisky or in the Tumblr, 99 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 4: and it sliced the Tumblr from top to bottom all 100 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 4: in one go. It didn't shatter it, just like almost 101 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: like someone just broke it apart. So I gotta see 102 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 4: what was up with the ice. Other than that, the 103 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 4: tumblers are great. I have ten of them. 104 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: Buy some ten of them. No, I have seven of them. 105 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: I think forty nine of them. Yes, yes, please do 106 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: on our show and do that. Also check out our 107 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: bonus content. This week, we are punching a hole into 108 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: your life with Luke's Live Chat with Luke's Fantastic interview 109 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,559 Speaker 3: with Dustin Pourier. Ahead of the January Connor McGregor bout 110 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: all about his life and career. Also, we know it's 111 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 3: a big fight week this weekend. Spence Garcia. We got 112 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 3: both fighters on the MK channel plus Showtime Sean Porter 113 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: who will be calling the fight, and had fights with 114 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: both of them on the highest level. So a lot 115 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: of great shoulder content. But enough shoulders, Luke. We want 116 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: the meet, we want the big piece. It's time to 117 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 3: get into that right now. You want me? Do you 118 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: want to sell our people anything else? You're good? No, 119 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 3: Let's rock all right, all right, it is Friday BC 120 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: hosting the show. Let's get you ready for the weekend 121 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 3: of fights to come. And it goes down this Saturday 122 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 3: in Las Vegas, another UFC fight night, A little bit 123 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: of a switcher roo. In the main event, we're gonna 124 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 3: see middleweight's Jack Hermanson originally scheduled to fight Darren Till, 125 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: then scheduled the fight Kevin Holland he's gonna get Marvin 126 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: Vittori at the last minute. Luke, all things considered, not 127 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: a not a bad man event. I'm into this. How 128 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: pivotal will this fight be? For those you know that 129 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 3: the cloudy title picture there below israel a lot of 130 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: sonia at one eighty five. 131 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 4: It's clarifying in that sense, right, because you get guys 132 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 4: who below the Whittakers, you know, because Whitaker, by the way, 133 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 4: did said he did not deny winning a title shot. 134 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 4: But looks like USC is for the time being moved 135 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 4: on for Izzy's next fight. You know, obviously, you know 136 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 4: that's supposed to be Yanbolohovitch, although I guess we'll see 137 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 4: when the details are finally ready. But you know, so 138 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 4: you have Darren Till kind of floating out there, and 139 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: then Jack Hermanson he did lose to Jared cannoneer, but 140 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 4: he's on the comeback trail. Now you get a winner 141 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 4: for Marvin Vittori. He puts you sort of Ricochet's you 142 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 4: kind of it's where you were right before. Then maybe 143 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 4: top three, top four ish space something like that, maybe 144 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 4: a little bit below. But so let's say four somewhere 145 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 4: in that, give or take, which is a pretty good 146 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 4: place to be depending on how things shake out, especially 147 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 4: in a world where COVID is happening. If you can 148 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 4: stay COVID free, you just never know when the opportunity 149 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 4: knocks which you might get. The bigger issue for me 150 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: is Marvin Vittori. We've seen Hermanson do really well against 151 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 4: like Kelvin Gastlin, as we mentioned, but Marvin Vittoria has 152 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 4: been a guy who's been frustrated by a lack of opportunity. 153 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 4: Who you know, I came pretty close to beating Otdasignia. 154 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 4: I thought Autosignia won, But I don't think it's crazy 155 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 4: to say that Marvin Vattori fought really well and clearly 156 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 4: took at least a round from him. So you have 157 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 4: Marvin Vittori also, young, big athletic guy. You know, he's 158 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 4: very much full of vinegar and piss when you hear 159 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 4: him talk. He's kind of crazy, which is sort of 160 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 4: what you want from a prize fighter. 161 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: We see. For me this is it's interesting either way. 162 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 4: I don't want to I don't want to lie, but 163 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 4: to me, it'd be much more interesting if he actually 164 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 4: turns out that that tough fight Oda Signya had against 165 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 4: Victory early in his UFC run was no accident that 166 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 4: he might get it again at a later stage. Because, oh, 167 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 4: by the way, Ottasignia is very good, so is Marvin Vittori. 168 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 4: You just maybe didn't get a good sense of it 169 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 4: early on. I'm actually really looking to see. To me, 170 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 4: it's a little bit more. I'm not a showcase for Vittori. 171 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 4: I'm just a little bit more interested in that side 172 00:07:59,240 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: of the equation. 173 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: What about you? 174 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly, And it's a really good fight. I mean, 175 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: like both guys really streaking at the moment. Maybe the 176 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: brighter stock is inventory for all you said. I mean, 177 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: he's three and oh since that lost aatusnia in twenty eighteen, 178 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: working like hell to get a fight, fights, fall apart, injuries, 179 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: all that stuff. He shaved his head for this one, 180 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 3: so it's adding to the crazies. He kind of looks 181 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 3: like WWE star the Miz Luke. But I know you 182 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: don't care about that. But what you do care about 183 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: is he was supposed to fight Jockarey at UFC two 184 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: to fifty six. He's been subbed in Kevin Holland got 185 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: subbed out, and now he's gonna fight Jockarey at UFC 186 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: two and fifty six. So it's an interesting swing of events. 187 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: But I kind of believe given Jack Hermanson's hot streak 188 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: right now, he's won five of six and with just 189 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: that one loss to Cannon Air. But I mean he 190 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: whipped up Kelvin Gasselom. He made a statement in that 191 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: that you have to believe that a Vittori win over 192 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: her Manson, if he can get it, would probably be 193 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: more valuable in advance him than even one against Jockaray. 194 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: So this is a very interesting fight. Vittoria said this week, 195 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: everything Hermannson does, I do better, so he doesn't sound 196 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: like he's worse. 197 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 2: That's that's definitely not true. I mean that I was 198 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: gonna say. 199 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 4: The way this fight works is that Vittori is I 200 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 4: think her Manson's pretty athletic, but Victory is big and strong. 201 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 4: He's very foundational in everything he's good at. And her 202 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 4: Manson is strong as well, and I think a little 203 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 4: bit slicker on the ground, but also takes a little 204 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 4: bit more risk, and so there's an interesting clash of 205 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 4: styles there. I don't know if Victoria is gonna be 206 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 4: able to keep up with her Manson's kind of speed 207 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 4: chess game on the ground, but if he does, so, 208 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 4: what I'm telling you, look out he's your next guy. 209 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 4: Or her Manson is as good as we think he is, 210 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 4: and he will sort of reassert himself into the top 211 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 4: of that division. 212 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 3: Well, Victori's style Luke, tell me if I'm if I'm 213 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: sounding filthy or casual or both. It's a little cave man, 214 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: it's a little high pressure. It's a little let's turn 215 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: this thing into a brawl a shit show. Can that 216 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 3: work the higher he gets up on the elite level? 217 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: I mean it caught a younger out of Sonya off 218 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: off guard, and it was it was a competitive fight. 219 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: But does he have staying power at the high end 220 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 3: with that style? In your eyes? 221 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 4: Me, he definitely, You're right, he definitely is high pressure. 222 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 4: But I don't know that he's caveman asked. I mean 223 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 4: what you're sort of pointing out is the thing that 224 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: stands out versus a guy like Hermanson, which is, you know, 225 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 4: what does if I had to ask you, like, what's 226 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 4: Marvin Vatori's best weapon, Like what's his best single strike? 227 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 4: You know, Hector Camacho South Paul had a great right uppercut, 228 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 4: good left hook, right you can sort of pinpoint. 229 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 2: What he was good at. 230 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 4: What would you say that in terms of or how 231 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 4: would you identify that for Marvin Vattori. I'm not comparing 232 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 4: the two as like on equal footing. I'm just saying 233 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 4: what's his signature sort of strike Outasania has a question 234 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 4: mark kick, and you know, all kinds of stuff. Nothing 235 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 4: really stands out, does it. I mean, to him, he 236 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 4: might have a better sense of things, but like to 237 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 4: the audience's sense, it's not like he's got any kind 238 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 4: of real, identifiable, you know McGregor left. 239 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: Hand kind of thing going on. 240 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 4: But he's kind of good at a lot of different things, 241 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 4: and he doesn't take a lot of risk, but he's 242 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 4: not risk averse either. The one thing that he does 243 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 4: really well is, as I mentioned, big strong, decent wrestling, 244 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 4: well rounded, and he's kind of in your face. That 245 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 4: pressure is the thing that tends to get him him 246 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 4: to do a little bit better than he otherwise would 247 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 4: if he had a different kind of strategy or approach 248 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: to the fight game. For me, it's that her Manson 249 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 4: is eventually going to put him in some kind of trouble. 250 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 4: Maybe he'll take him down, maybe he'll take his back, 251 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 4: maybe he'll sit. 252 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: For a leg lock. 253 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 4: Right, who knows all kinds of different things is a 254 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 4: guy who doesn't play that kind of game. Can he 255 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 4: play it long enough like Cannoneer did to shut it 256 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 4: down and then implement your game or is he going 257 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 4: to get caught up in it. I mean there's a 258 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 4: real dividing line in terms of what her Manson can 259 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 4: show you. Kelvin Gastline, at least for that time being, 260 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 4: couldn't pass that test. The question is whether a Tory can. 261 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been underrating Jack her Manson for a long 262 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: time and I almost felt like the Cannoneer fight sort 263 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: of solidified that. But obviously he bounced back with a 264 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: big win against Gaslin. He's got a great motor. There's 265 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 3: a lot to like about his approach. His personality is 266 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 3: a fun little interview as well. So looking forward to this, Luke, 267 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 3: I don't love the rest of the card. I feel 268 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 3: like I say that all the time on these in betweeners. 269 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: I mean, look, if you're telling me Montana dla Ross 270 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 3: is gonna fight, I'm there. I'm a big fan of 271 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 3: her and her back story. I thought the UFC Fight 272 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 3: Pass documentary series really captured well. And you think you 273 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: think you know me, You think the direction I'm going, Luke, Okay, 274 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: I'm not. 275 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: I thought you're going to stop at the word back. 276 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: You think you think I'm going to react here to 277 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: those thirsty you want to picks on Instagram this past week. No, 278 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 3: but thank you, you know, fifty thousand people for sending 279 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: them to me. Oh luke, is there anything on this 280 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: card that moves you outside. 281 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: Of the mau Not really, it is. I mean, here's 282 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: the thing. 283 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 4: I always say this, A lot of folks are like, oh, 284 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 4: cards are worse than ever, and it's like, it's true, 285 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 4: yes and no. 286 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: I mean the fight game. 287 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 4: If you go back and you watch again, I saw 288 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 4: the Sean Shirk Matt Hughes fight. 289 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: From whatever was UFC forty or something. If you go 290 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: back and you. 291 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 4: Watch that, like, modern fighters are in terms of their 292 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 4: best practices anyway, you know, much much better than those 293 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 4: kinds of fights showcased all the way back in two 294 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 4: thousand and four or whatever it was. So in that sense, 295 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 4: there might be a lot to like. And as we've seen, 296 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 4: sometimes these guys are mismatched in a way where you 297 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 4: get a lot of decent finishes, you might get some 298 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 4: reasonable entertainment out of it. But it's a lot of 299 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 4: fighters who are very much on the fringes of the UFC. 300 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 4: It's a lot of fighters coming off the Contender series. 301 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 4: It's a lot of fighters who don't cost a lot 302 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 4: of money. This is the UFC taking a version of 303 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 4: their product, which isn't altogether bad, but it's definitely not 304 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 4: the UFC's premiere product. I mean, if you had to, 305 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 4: if you have to sort of like tear it out, 306 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 4: where would this be. This would be a you know, 307 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: not kind of the Contender series, which is guys who 308 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 4: weren't even in the UFC. 309 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: C we're talking about people were in the UFC. 310 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 4: This is their bottom tier product, which again is gonna 311 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 4: be better than a lot of regional orgs. 312 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: You do have a fantastic main event. It's great. 313 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 4: You know Ovin Saint Prue was on the card, as 314 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 4: you mentioned, Montanan Dela Rosa, the one that kind of 315 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 4: caught my attention and I. 316 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: Tweeted about it. 317 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 4: Matt Wyman is on this card, dude, Matt Wyman, handsome 318 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 4: Matt Wyman, gone for a long time, comes back and 319 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 4: loses two in a row, the first of those quite brutally, 320 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 4: and he's looking for He's lost three of his last four, 321 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 4: although one of those losses is from you know, an 322 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 4: another life basically, but two in a row since he returned, 323 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 4: and he's scheduled he's fighting Jordan Levitt, who is very 324 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 4: very good, like I suspect Matt Wyman will in fact 325 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 4: lose this contest. And then Nate land Were has taken 326 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 4: on movsar ev loev. 327 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: Wh where that's the he's the crazy him the hillbilly 328 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: guy who screams a lot. 329 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yes. And then one more name this dude. 330 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've noticed this BC. 331 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's just UFC or if it's 332 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 4: I don't watch enough International MM anymore to really get 333 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 4: his extensive things. We'd have to ask the Gribacca hitman 334 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 4: for this one, Caposa. But UFC has signed a lot 335 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 4: of Georgians, now, not the at L Georgia. You know, 336 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 4: what can we do for you? Outcast and Killer Mike 337 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 4: and all that. I mean, the ones from you know, 338 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 4: the other side of the world. Uh, they got this 339 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: dude Roman. I don't know how to pronounce his last name, Dola, Jay, 340 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 4: d o l I d z E. He's a maniac too. 341 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 4: All those Georgians are actually pretty goddamn good. And he 342 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 4: is back against John Alan, who is a thirteen to 343 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: five Brazilian. 344 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: So some interesting names on there. A little bit all 345 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: the way around. But no, not look at. 346 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 3: Look at John Valante in the in the Damn Curtain 347 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: Jerker Luke open. 348 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: Against j Collier, dude who put on so much weight? 349 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: Did you make it? 350 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 3: You were going to say, I was going to say, 351 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: in one year, do you think John Valante is throwing 352 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 3: punches in BKFC or getting his real estate license for 353 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: Ali Quinta's empire. 354 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 4: Well, you know, these are very rude questions, which I 355 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 4: you know, something like me, I don't say rude things 356 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 4: we see, but I'll tell you this seventeen and twelve. 357 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 4: I mean, we're not so much in racial Ostovitch territory, 358 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 4: but we're you know, not all that far from it. 359 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: He has curves, though he has curves at heavyweight similar 360 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: to Osovich. 361 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 4: You got to give him credit, right, Yeah, not the 362 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 4: same kind that I want to look at. But you know, 363 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 4: to each his own Lewis Smoke is on the card, 364 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 4: you know, justin James is on the card. There's some 365 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 4: there's a look, there's totally respectable talent. But in terms 366 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 4: of the UFC's premier product, this is pretty far from it. 367 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 3: You mentioned Joseph Gordon Levitt on the card loved him 368 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: in Fifty Days of Summer, by the way, fantastic little 369 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 3: Sweetheart of a movie. 370 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: I did not like him. I did not like him 371 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: as Robin and the Batman movies. 372 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 3: Let's get our second topic, Luke, and I got I 373 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 3: gotta bring you in quick on this one. The Usada 374 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: police are back, Luke, and they're slapping wrists. You want 375 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 3: to you want to smoke that weed they got there, 376 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: They're gonna be at your door. Okay, Yeah, you're Rodriguez. 377 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: This was the Oh well, okay, yes, go ahead. 378 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 3: Sorry, Yes, there's different violations here, but yeah, you're Rodriguez. 379 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: Suspended six months this time in this case because he 380 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: failed to update his whereabout information and was unavailable three 381 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: times in a twelve month period when he attempted to 382 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 3: track him down. That's a violation under the UFC Anti 383 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: Doping policy. Luke, the rules are pretty simple. This doesn't 384 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: seem like a typical you sata F job, right, Yeah, 385 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: you're fed up? You got to pay the piper. 386 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Christian Coleman, who is this decorated? I 387 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 4: think he's either the Olympic or raigning world champion, one 388 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 4: of the two. He just got a two year fine. 389 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 4: He has challenged that in the Court of Arbitrational Sport 390 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 4: because he had missed I think four or five whereabouts situations. 391 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 4: But this is like I mean again, it's a sort 392 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 4: of a long, complicated issue, but the basic idea is this, 393 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 4: to get the best antidoping, you have to give athletes 394 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 4: the least amount of privacy. So they have to big 395 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 4: brother themselves and tell the antidoping authorities essentially where they're 396 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 4: going to be at any given time so that they 397 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 4: can be tested. And I know a lot of folks 398 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 4: believe athletes don't deserve rights like any normal human being. 399 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 4: I don't know why, but some of them do. But 400 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 4: here's the thing. You can clearly go a foul of this. 401 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 4: And I'm not suggesting that Jayi Rodriguez did. But if 402 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 4: I wanted to take steroids or whatever BC and I 403 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 4: want to just miss three failures and I had some 404 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 4: kind of excuse, I could come up with. 405 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: You know what, They're gonna suspend me for six months. 406 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: It's nothing. 407 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 4: It's a very very easy way to get around the system, 408 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 4: at least for a short amount of time or however 409 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 4: much time you need to do it. Now, yes, you 410 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 4: do it enough like Christian Coleman, and they will really 411 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 4: hammer you. But six months I'm trying to tell people, 412 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 4: y'all can think what you want about sport. This idyllic, 413 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 4: this is the ideals of fairness and a level playing field. 414 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 4: You could take that shit to another sucker because I 415 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 4: don't believe it, and I don't believe it because there's 416 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 4: no evidence for it. It's dirty, it's ugly. It's for 417 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 4: people who want dirtiness and ugliness, and I do. 418 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: Wow. 419 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 3: A little pro tip to you, Sada. You can't find 420 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 3: you I air in the future. Check under the cage 421 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 3: inside Jackson wink. All right, say hi, did John for us? 422 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 3: And just yeah, all right? The other USADA wrist slap 423 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 3: Luke is a ridiculous one. 424 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 4: And no that's not you saw the next one's not Usada. 425 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 4: I mean you got to blame the right people. This 426 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 4: is the commission as right. 427 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you crazy welterweight Nico Price hit 428 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 3: with a six month suspension and an eighty five hundred 429 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 3: dollars fine for elevated THCHC levels. So I assume you're 430 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 3: telling me this was a state commission finding out that 431 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 3: he smoked a little bit of that sweet chiba. Maybe. 432 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 3: I mean, he could be a tincture guy or a 433 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 3: straight bud man. Either way, Luke, he's not gonna be 434 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 3: fighting for a while. Can we let these athletes who 435 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 3: put their bodies and minds through absolute hell for our 436 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 3: enjoyment medicaid? Please? Can we be done with this? 437 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, they didn't do just that. 438 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 4: I mean, that would be one thing to suspend him 439 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 4: in the middle of a global pandemic when work is 440 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 4: you know, short, they find him eighty five hundred dollars. 441 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 4: The guy has like four or five kids, so I'm 442 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 4: sure that you know, Christmas will be great thanks to 443 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 4: the Devide Athletic Commission. But worse than that, they overturned 444 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 4: his win over Donald SERRONIBC. They turned it into a 445 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 4: draw or no contest, I should say, I mean, you 446 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 4: want to talk about Okay, the fine is, you know whatever, 447 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 4: it's absurd, and the suspension not the end of the world. 448 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 4: But stupid you took away his best win. Really we're 449 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 4: doing that now? I mean, this is this is the 450 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 4: war on drugs. It was a draw, so okay, hold on, 451 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 4: hold on? It won from a to say yes to 452 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 4: save me a dead wrong let me clari if I 453 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 4: had the producer. 454 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 3: Shout out to it went from a draw trying to 455 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: prevent a look from losing a shit on. 456 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 4: Side hold on it either way, it went from a 457 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: draw to a no contest either way they but let's 458 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 4: say it had been a win BC, they still would 459 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 4: have overturned it. The point being is they're going to 460 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 4: fuck with the results of things as a way to 461 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 4: stick it to people for marijuana. So before I get 462 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 4: the details totally wrong, those are the more correct ones. 463 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 4: But the point still stands they'll overturn these results. 464 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: B see for what? 465 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 4: For what These guys have to train in the most 466 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 4: absurd way to compete for the most absurd thing or 467 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 4: absurd thing, and they can't even use the medicinal known 468 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 4: benefits of marijuana to heal this. 469 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 3: Legal which is legal in many states, and certainly medically 470 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 3: it's almost legal universally. I mean to quote the great 471 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: thorough good Jenkins from Half Banked Luke four years just 472 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 3: for a weed, damn right, I mean, come on, I 473 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 3: thought we were past this speaking of weed. Though Luke 474 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 3: Moro Ronaldo doesn't do a lot of podcasts or interviews. 475 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw him on Dan Kenobio's 476 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 3: Inside Compybox Live pod. But Moro said it was his 477 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 3: life's goal and dream and mission to uh you know, 478 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 3: past the Ducci to the left side with Snoop Dogg, 479 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: and he was able to do that in the state 480 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 3: of California after the Tyson Jones fight and to see 481 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 3: the joy in his face from that experience. We all 482 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: want to be there, right, Luke. 483 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if I've said this before. I don't 484 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: know if I want to smoke Snoops Weed. 485 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure it's good, But dude, even a 486 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 4: contact high will just you know, make a se shit again. 487 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 4: I like to keep my pleasures simple and minimal, man, 488 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 4: you know, in a stay in a straight and arrow. 489 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: I hear you. I hear you. 490 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 3: But you know, yeah, you Sawa sucks, Luke, Okay, you 491 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 3: pulled me to the dark side. 492 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 2: Whatever, Yeah, you know. 493 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 4: I mean, dude, they just don't want athletes to have rights. 494 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: That's what they don't want. They don't and they don't. 495 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 2: They can't. You can't have a real. 496 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 4: Anti doping system unless you've just the athlete has nothing. 497 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 4: And if they have something short of that, which is 498 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 4: a little bit of something. There's still plenty of room 499 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 4: to cheat. I'm I'm trying to explain to people there's 500 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 4: no real way to do this, but you know, people 501 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 4: seem to want. People want to lie to themselves b C. 502 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 4: People will tell themselves comforting lies over difficult truths ten 503 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 4: times out of ten. And I'm the guy who. 504 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 2: Likes to tell people difficult truths, which makes people very angry. 505 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: But I don't care. So there you go. 506 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: Wow, Wow, all right, Luke Thomas everybody, He'll be here 507 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 3: all week. Also in the news, Luke Nick Diaz remember him? 508 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 3: His manager quoted is saying he will return in twenty 509 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 3: twenty one. Here's the direct quote from Mubenga. What's the 510 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: guy's person name? 511 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 2: Uh? Kevin? 512 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 3: I think all right, he says, quote ninety nine point 513 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 3: nine nine nine percent. We just got to get everything 514 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 3: else right with the organization. We'll be able to move forward. 515 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 3: He's been training. People want to see him. Blah blah blah. 516 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: Other quotes you don't need to hear. Luke the Great 517 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 3: Nick Diaz of Nick Diaz jiu Jitsu has not fought 518 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 3: since January of twenty fifteen. There's the picture from the 519 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 3: famous aerial interview where you know, he had a few pops, 520 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 3: he was bloated, he was slurring, But I love this guy, 521 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 3: Luke book. The dream's over. He can't be in a 522 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 3: competitive fight again, right, it might being too harsh. 523 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. 524 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to that, but my feeling 525 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 4: is you're probably right. And if you are right, the 526 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 4: problem is it's not going to happen after one fight. 527 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 4: They're going to have to get him beaten several times 528 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 4: before they decide that that's not a I mean, look 529 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 4: at what it took for people to be like, Okay, I. 530 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: Think I'm done with Bjpenn. 531 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 4: Even now we're talking about Anderson Silva and we're like, 532 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 4: you know, that's a there's some things you could do 533 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 4: for him. Passion for these guys like these, like folk 534 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 4: lore figures, of which I would put Nick Diaz in. 535 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 4: The passion for them dies very slowly and very hard. 536 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 4: So either one or two things is gonna happen. One 537 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 4: he's gonna come back and still be pretty good and 538 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 4: we'll see, or he's not gonna be pretty good and 539 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 4: he's gonna have to take a series of really dramatic 540 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 4: l's before folks began to even think about turning on him, 541 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 4: not turning, but like moving away from him as an attraction. 542 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 3: Thirty seven years old has not had a win since 543 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 3: the first Obama term. 544 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 2: Luke, Jesus, Really, you know, here's the thing. 545 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 3: You never would have guessed, even with the you know, 546 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 3: he took time off, he fought, finally fought GSP, took 547 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 3: more time off. You never would have guessed though, that 548 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: six seven years later we'd be here that he only 549 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 3: fought basically Anderson Silva, right, and then you know, suspensions 550 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: and just weirdness. It's an interesting turn for a guy 551 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 3: who fought so many times as basically a late teenager 552 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 3: on the highest level with UFC and Strikeforce and has 553 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 3: a really really good resume. Luke, but I mean did 554 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 3: maybe he needed this mental health wise? He took a 555 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 3: lot of damage early. I don't know, Luke, but it's 556 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 3: sad to see a guy with that much star power 557 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 3: not sort of utilize his prime. Can he can he 558 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 3: get a couple of pay days left? Yes? 559 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but he's got dude, he's got at least 560 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 2: two big paydays left minimum. 561 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 3: Then how do you match him? 562 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 2: Though? 563 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: How do you match him? Are you going to use 564 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 3: his name to get somebody else. 565 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 4: Over, or are you gonna here's the thing to do. 566 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 4: It's not even how you match him, it's what he's 567 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 4: willing to do. Like I had someone on a live 568 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 4: chat yesterday asked me, you know, think he'd be a 569 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 4: good fight if he fought Tim Means? And I'm like, well, 570 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 4: do I think it'd be a fun fight if he 571 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 4: competed against Tim Means in some kind of vacuum. Sure, 572 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 4: they're In't a chance in hell he's fighting Tim Means. 573 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 4: I mean, this dude is only going to fight somebody 574 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 4: that interests him, is a list or you know, some 575 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 4: combo of therein like a Masvidal or something like that. Now, 576 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 4: if he gets his ass whooped by him, which again 577 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 4: I'm not declaring to you he is the future, but 578 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 4: let's say he does well, then you might begin to 579 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 4: start dialing back what is available and what it makes sense. 580 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 4: But at that point, he begins to get to a 581 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 4: situation where it's like, well, what is your you in 582 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 4: this case, Nick Diaz, what is. 583 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 2: His interest level? You know, what does he really want 584 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: to do? 585 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 4: My hunch is it's a very narrow set of things 586 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 4: that will make it easy for the public to accept 587 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 4: should he get some wins, but it will make it 588 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 4: very hard for the public to accept if he gets 589 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 4: like really dramatic l's. And there's no way to tell 590 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 4: exactly which way it will go, except there's a lot 591 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 4: of room for skepticism at this point, and once it 592 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 4: reaches past a certain place, the public might be interested 593 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 4: in a certain version of it. I don't know that 594 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 4: he is. You know, We're gonna have to see what 595 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 4: he says. 596 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 3: Well, there's plenty of washy fights for him, whether it's 597 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 3: another fight with Condit and Cowboy or a Mike Perry cut. 598 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 3: If i'm matchmaking, I'm making him against Mike Perry right now. 599 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 3: But you did make a good point on what he's 600 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: willing to accept. He's probably Luke knowing him still thinks 601 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 3: of himself as like the best waltweight in the world, right. 602 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: Probably, Oh yeah, pretty close? 603 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So Monsvidal would be a monster seller 604 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: with a built in storyline, and it would bang and Joorgey. 605 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 4: Would win, right, jorheywould win. Connor is a good fight. 606 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 4: What do you think about Connor versus Nick? 607 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? 608 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, just for the Shenanigans. Yes, please, let's do it. 609 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 3: Let's do it right now. 610 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, you got the whole thing going on, so there's 611 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 4: fights you can. 612 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 3: May But would Nate be okay with Nick taking everything 613 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 3: that he worked for? 614 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: Though? Yeah, I don't know how that would go. He 615 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 2: seems intensely loyal to his brother, which you could understand. 616 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. 617 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 4: I don't know how they're going to handle that, you know, 618 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 4: and the whole GSP thing is not really available anymore, 619 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 4: although who the fuck would want them? And I could 620 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 4: not believe there were people who wanted to see that 621 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 4: fight again? Did you not see the first one and 622 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 4: how much it absolutely sucked and how George just basically 623 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 4: wrestled him as minimally. 624 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 3: As Nick had like one moment I think it was 625 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 3: like round three where he put together a couple of 626 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 3: punches and you were like whoa, oh, yeah, that moment 627 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: was fleeting. Speaking of supporting your brother, do you think 628 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 3: your older brother blew off my DM attempt to bin 629 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 3: laden you with some inside information out of like, I 630 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 3: don't care. Did he never see it? Was it just 631 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 3: outright protection for his younger brother? Luke Thomas? 632 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 4: He hasn't even brought it up to me, Like, he 633 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 4: hasn't even mentioned anything. I mean, we visited him, I 634 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 4: don't know, months ago, right, and I took a bunch 635 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 4: of pictures of his wife, my sister in law, playing 636 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 4: with my daughter because the pictures were good and I 637 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 4: thought that she might want to see them. So I 638 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 4: get home and I sent them to my brother. I 639 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 4: was like, Matt, send these to your wife, and he 640 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 4: was like, okay. Six weeks later, I never hear anything 641 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 4: from his wife, and she never posted on social media. 642 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 4: I thought it was a little weird because she really 643 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 4: has an attachment to my daughter. Come to find out, 644 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 4: my brother never even gave those two her Like, I 645 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 4: didn't even hit forward on the email thing, nothing. 646 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: So I just send this to her direct. 647 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: He was busy making those burgers, putting the weed inside 648 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: of them. That's what we got. We gotta hang out 649 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 3: with Matt eventually. All right, it's gonna be fantastic. 650 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: He does cook well. He does like a mean, mean weed. Patty. 651 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 3: I guess, all right, hey, Luke, maybe this bit of 652 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 3: news helps the cryptic Habib story coming to focus a 653 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 3: little bit more. Maybe not. I'm interested to get your 654 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 3: thoughts their Malcolm edoff coming public and saying he is 655 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 3: going to make it his mission and go on a 656 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 3: pursuit to get MMA. It's become an official Olympic sport. 657 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 3: He's gonna be the voice in the push behind it. 658 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 3: Do you think while I believe this is a noble 659 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 3: cause and I think he actually is the right sort 660 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: of poster boy to go down this road, do you 661 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 3: think that sums up the meeting with Dana White and 662 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 3: the SEUs soon boy in all that stuff. Because as 663 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 3: we sit here right now, the year of our Lord 664 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, he ain't coming back. Luke. Okay, he never 665 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 3: said yes, he ain't coming back. 666 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean probably is more likely. But let me 667 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 4: ask you this, dude, where are you on the whole 668 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 4: MMA and the Olympics thing? Because I will say this 669 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 4: very quickly, I don't think it's the worst idea in 670 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 4: the world. If it happened, I wouldn't argue against it. 671 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 4: But this idea like, oh, if we you know, we 672 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 4: had EMMA in the Olympics, wouldn't that be great? 673 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: I guess I don't. It doesn't do much for me. 674 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 2: Where are you on it? 675 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 3: I fully agree with you on that it would be 676 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 3: a like a one time curiosity. I would think for me, 677 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 3: obviously you'd have to decide whether you're gonna have only 678 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 3: amateurs in it or whether you're gonna allow some kind 679 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 3: of pro crossover, which doesn't seem like it would work 680 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 3: or make sense. It didn't really work for boxing when 681 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 3: they opened that up. A couple of pro boxers did 682 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 3: try to make the you know, Hassan En Doom the 683 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 3: Forum Middleway Champions got lost pretty badly when he tried 684 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 3: to make that move against amateurs. But uh, I don't know. 685 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 3: I don't feel like it's needed from the standpoint of validation. 686 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 3: I mean, how much more validated could could this whole 687 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 3: cage fighting thing be At this point? It's on ESPN 688 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 3: with a massive pay per view deal, and it's it's 689 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 3: it's household. I mean, it's not you know, it's not 690 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 3: it's not bare knuckle, it's not a punching Josn's ball 691 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: bag anymore. It's it's legit. So we don't need that 692 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 3: side of it. Could I get into the purest idea 693 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 3: of country versus country? Nah? Not really, Luke, just me talking. 694 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 3: I like real fights, all right, I like I like 695 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 3: title belts. I like big purses. I like big butts. 696 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: I cannot lie, all right. 697 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: I also like large dairy ares. 698 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 4: I'll say this, if it was a way to clean 699 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,239 Speaker 4: up and professional not professionalized in the professional sense of 700 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 4: like amateur versus professionalized, but I mean, you know, make 701 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 4: it a real invested, organized amateur side of the sport. 702 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 4: If that's what going to the Olympics is all about, 703 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 4: then I don't really have a problem with it. But 704 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 4: you gotta understand something. MMA works really well in the 705 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 4: modern age on the matchmaker model, not the tournament model. 706 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 4: If the tournament is happening in short order, how are 707 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 4: you First of all, you're not gonna have any pros, 708 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 4: or at least very few. It would have to be 709 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 4: mostly amateurs because the pros what, you got a UFC 710 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 4: title shot, and you're gonna skip out on that to 711 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 4: go get an Olympic gold medal. I mean, I don't 712 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 4: fucking believe that. Sorry, Number one. Number two. On top 713 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 4: of that, if it's a way to clean up the 714 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 4: amateurs and make it something because obviously, you know, amateur 715 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 4: boxing is much more of an organized thing than amateur MMA, fine, 716 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 4: but because of the nature of the competition either amateurs 717 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 4: and b it has to be sustainable for a couple 718 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 4: of weeks. 719 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: They're gonna change the rules set. 720 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 4: There's gonna be headgear, no elbows, you know, all kinds 721 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 4: of stuff, and people are gonna get knocked out and 722 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 4: come to tournaments late. Like, it's just not what you 723 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 4: think is. 724 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: Going to be. 725 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 3: I'm really not into any kind of bastardization of it, 726 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 3: you know, like we did with boxing with fewer rounds 727 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 3: and headgear for that long stretch and the stupid computer 728 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 3: scoring system. No, let's not do it. Let's not do it, okay, 729 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 3: or just. 730 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 4: Do it and then you know, call it something else. 731 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 4: But you know, oh we we're gonna be in the Olympics. 732 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 4: Won't everyone love us? 733 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: Then? 734 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 4: No, all of you donks think COVID is the flu 735 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 4: you suck up to dictators. People hammer each other in 736 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 4: the face with elbows, They bleed in the most, their 737 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 4: ears explode on national television. People get sent to the 738 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 4: land of wind and ghosts. They have tattoos that are 739 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 4: inexplicable to anybody with a set of eyeballs. No, this 740 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 4: is going to be what it's going to be. The 741 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 4: Olympics ain't gonna clean it up for you, so give 742 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 4: it up. 743 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 3: Luke just wants less QAnon activity on his television screen appearance. 744 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 2: Lea less please, Luke. 745 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 3: I'd rather use that effort and money and get the 746 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 3: MK camera crew with Chill Malka and head to India 747 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 3: with the three of us, and you could show me 748 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 3: where you were spawned. 749 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: All right. 750 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 4: I don't know much about India. I was born there, 751 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 4: but that's about it got up. 752 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 3: How long did you stay, Luke? 753 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: Like a six months? 754 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 3: Look, You've had a fascinating life journey. 755 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 2: I'll give you that, Okay, been around dog, I mean 756 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: my life. 757 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 3: Had My life was twenty eight years inside the same 758 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 3: factory town. Not a lot to report on there, Okay, 759 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 3: thank you. 760 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 2: Pretty great life. 761 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 3: My explains my palette though, just the same. Let's close 762 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 3: the big topics this week, Luke with a final look 763 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 3: at who's going to win this Saturday's Big Time Fox 764 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 3: pay per view. The PBC back in a big way 765 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 3: welterweight titles, two of them at stake when Errol Spence 766 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 3: returns from a fourteen month layoff and a very scary 767 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 3: car accident to take on really as game and of 768 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 3: opponent as you can find at this level Danny Swift Garcia, 769 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 3: the former two division champion. If you're looking for a nice, 770 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 3: long winded look at this fight, your boys at the 771 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 3: boxing hardcorese Raf Bartholomew and myself did about forty minutes 772 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 3: on the technical aspects of this fight. But Luke, we 773 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 3: hit the storylines a couple of days ago. We know 774 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 3: Spence coming back from the accident. We know that is 775 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 3: a big thing that we all want to look for. 776 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 3: But I think Sean Porter said it importantly on this 777 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 3: show this week. He said, look, that's the big headline. 778 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 3: But headline one A or one B, excuse me, is 779 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 3: what is Danny Garcia going to do with that? How 780 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 3: is he going to tighten these odds in which he's 781 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 3: about a three to one underdog and really find an 782 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 3: avenue to success. Luke, we know that Danny Garcia's got 783 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 3: the big counterpunching, the one punch, knockout power, all that stuff. 784 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 3: Can he win a boxing match here? Can he step 785 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 3: on the gas and maybe pressure more? Can he do 786 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 3: things we haven't seen him do against the elites to 787 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 3: win what is the biggest fight of his career on 788 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 3: paper coming in. 789 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 4: Spence has got to be a lesser version of himself. 790 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 4: Because if you're asking me who makes smarter decisions, especially 791 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 4: as the rounds progress, you know it's Spence. Spence by 792 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 4: a fair oh, I want to say considerable margin, but 793 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 4: a noticeable margin. He just makes better decisions. Garcia can 794 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 4: kind of play the dozens with you for a long 795 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 4: amount of time, and if you're not on the level, 796 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 4: as we've seen, like the Sulka fight, which was you know, 797 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 4: very much done on the level, he will knock your 798 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 4: block off and he can fight carefully if he needs to. 799 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 4: His wealth, he has a lead. But when he doesn't 800 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 4: have the lead and he has to play the catch up, 801 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 4: what kind of traps can he set for a guy 802 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 4: who is a very expert trap setter and trap identifier, 803 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 4: meaning what you're trying to do, I just don't know. 804 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 4: It's like Garcia has many of the elements we talked about, 805 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 4: the mean left hook. He's athletic, rock Chin does it. 806 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 4: He's not gonna fade with the cardio. Some footspeed issues, 807 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah. Okay, but he's pretty he's pretty athletic, 808 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 4: he's pretty experienced, but he just doesn't seem to have. 809 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 4: There's another order that you know. I'm not gonna say 810 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 4: Spence for MMA fans. I'm not saying Spence and out 811 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 4: of Signia are the same. But people who can take 812 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 4: a bit of a step back, survey a situation and 813 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 4: begin to think about the sixth or seventh chess move 814 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 4: ahead of time. 815 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 2: He's a little bit like that. 816 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 4: And even when people get in his face, like Sean 817 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 4: Porter did, and I thought Porter had some some pretty 818 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 4: decent success, That's not what Garcia is gonna be able 819 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 4: to do except in short bursts. But Porter only made 820 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 4: the most of that situation, and by the way, still 821 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 4: got dropped. But he only made the most of that 822 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 4: situation because he could just relentlessly pursue it. So Garcia 823 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 4: can do it in spurts. But I don't know how 824 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 4: much that gets you. He can play the game like Spence, 825 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 4: just not at the same kind of level. So the 826 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 4: answer is Kenny win Well, yes, provided Spence is not 827 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 4: what he once was, which could be true. 828 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 2: I don't know. 829 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 4: I'm just not quite incline to believe it until I 830 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 4: see it. 831 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, So let's look, it's almost there's been two sides 832 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 3: to Danny Garcia. Two division champion. He was great at 833 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 3: one forty. He was like an underpromoted underdog in the beginning, 834 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 3: and he went in there and the upset Americana and 835 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 3: knocked him out. And he you know, he was conning 836 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 3: out against Matissa as this big slugger that's going to 837 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 3: destroy him. And he showed us his toughness, his boxing ability. 838 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 3: But at welcherweight it's been a little bit different. He 839 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 3: stayed fairly high in his matchmaking. But the whole idea is, 840 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 3: can he win a fight against a fellow elite in 841 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 3: which he's behind and has to do something to come back, 842 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 3: or in which he makes very key adjustments to change 843 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,720 Speaker 3: the complete tenor of the fight. The only real example 844 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 3: we have of that is against Keith Thurman. Thurman came 845 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 3: out early. He hurt Garcia in the first round with 846 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 3: the big hook. He boxed beautifully, using some of the 847 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 3: same patterns and setups that Sean Porter did to out 848 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,720 Speaker 3: box Dandy Garcia and his only other loss. The difference 849 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 3: in the in the Thurman Garcia fight was that Garcia's 850 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 3: punching power seemed to eventually discipline Thurman. In the second 851 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 3: half of that fight, he stopped being the aggressor. He 852 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 3: started circling away. It wasn't necessarily like De la Joyce 853 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 3: Trinidad second half, but you saw a Thurman who kind 854 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 3: of left the back door open. Danny Garcia, to his credit, 855 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 3: stepped on the gas. He rallied a bit. He lost 856 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 3: seven to five on two of the three scorecards. But 857 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 3: this ain't Keith Thurman. From what we've seen up to 858 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 3: this point, it seems Spence to what you're saying, Luke 859 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 3: is true. I mean, he can do it all. He 860 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 3: purposely went out there against Mikey Garcia two fights ago 861 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 3: and said I'm gonna box him from the outside, improve 862 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 3: to people. I can do it, and he pitched a shutout. 863 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 3: Then he purposely, in the last fight against Sean Porter, 864 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 3: said I'm gonna go in there try to stop this guy. 865 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 3: He didn't get it because Porter had a fantastic game 866 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 3: plan and output, but it was a great fight and 867 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 3: all action affair in which Spence got his hand raised. 868 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 3: So I think we're gonna have to be asking Danny 869 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 3: Garcia to be something at the elite level that he 870 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 3: hasn't been yet. And I think it's very interesting what 871 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 3: Porter said to me this week on MK where you 872 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 3: know you call yourself elite, but if you're gonna go 873 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 3: into this fight and maybe make the same mistake you've 874 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 3: made in your other biggest fights. 875 00:38:59,520 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 2: Right. 876 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 3: Losses for Garcia both disputed against Porter and Thurman on 877 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 3: the scorecards, but both where you're like, maybe Danny should 878 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 3: have done it a little bit more. Even that Lamont 879 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,479 Speaker 3: Peterson close win, I felt like Danny left his foot 880 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 3: off the gas. Porter's comment was, are you really elite 881 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 3: at the end of the day if you cannot make 882 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 3: this adjustment. I'm gonna be very interested Luke in not 883 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 3: only seeing if Spence is still Spence, but seeing if 884 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 3: Garcia is willing to take the kind of chances that 885 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 3: he hasn't in the past at this level. Because you're 886 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 3: never gonna dominate him, You're never gonna beat him by 887 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 3: a wide margin. You're probably not gonna knock him out either, 888 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 3: because he's so smart, durable and defensively responsible. But I 889 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 3: need Danny Garcia to be the attacker and not be 890 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 3: the the heavy counterpuncher in this fight. Will work out 891 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 3: for him? I don't know, But you know what's not 892 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 3: gonna work Luke fighting the Danny Garcia away fighting a 893 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 3: Spence who's still there and losing eight rounds to four. 894 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,760 Speaker 4: Right, here's the problem with the way you're I agree 895 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 4: with you in general. The problem is if you try 896 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 4: to do the attacking thing, and of course the devil's 897 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 4: all in the details, but to the extent it incorporates 898 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 4: a bit of aggression. That means you do have to 899 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,760 Speaker 4: take some chances with your defense. And that was exactly 900 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 4: how Spence dropped Porter late. Remember that whipped his head around, 901 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 4: catching him with a punch in the middle of a combination, 902 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 4: or at least the end of one, and he didn't 903 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 4: see it coming. And it was only there because you 904 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 4: had this sort of wave crashing into the shore over 905 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 4: and over kind of scenario. He could eventually time the 906 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 4: waves and then he found it. So it's like, is 907 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 4: Garcia gonna do that too? I mean to me, honestly, 908 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 4: I think you have to switch things up a lot 909 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 4: on this guy. You got to give him a ton 910 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 4: of different looks. You have to slow him down, you 911 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 4: have to get him thinking. And if Garcia is gonna 912 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 4: lay back a little bit and just kind of hang Garcia, Like, 913 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 4: if I had to ask you, you see, can Garcia hang 914 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 4: with Spence. 915 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 2: Yes, he definitely can hang with him. 916 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 4: Can he do enough to get over the top, Well, 917 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 4: that's the part I'm a little bit skeptical about. 918 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly, if he hurts him with a big shot, 919 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 3: he can get him out of there. But the whole 920 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 3: idea is, if you're gonna fight on even terms, does 921 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 3: he have that extra gear, that extra strategic change, something different. 922 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 3: Here's an interesting flavor to this fight, though, Luke, and 923 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 3: I want to know if you think there's anything to it. 924 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 3: I told you Spence out box Mikey Garcia, like with 925 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 3: these from the outside, we saw this that the South 926 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 3: Paul is quick, smart, great, jab can control distance so beautifully. 927 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 3: If you're telling me that Spence is like at least 928 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 3: ninety percent, and you're telling me he's just going to box, 929 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 3: I'm telling you he's gonna win straight up. Put the money, 930 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 3: you know, at the window. But Spence has told me, 931 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 3: told a lot of people, I'm gonna go in there 932 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 3: and fight. We're gonna feel each other off for a 933 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 3: couple of rounds, but then it's going to be a fight. 934 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 3: And I want to make this a one sided ass 935 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 3: kicking a fight. I get Spence's makeup Luke. He didn't 936 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 3: want to comeback fight against nobody. He didn't want to 937 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 3: do anything but get right back in line where he 938 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 3: was before the accident, which is owns to a four 939 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 3: Walter titles. Is one of your pomp for palm bests 940 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 3: in the world. Is going to take this fight with 941 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 3: Dandy Garcia, and then he wants the really really big names, 942 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 3: the Pacquiaos, the Terrence Crawfords, et cetera, maybe even Canelo 943 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 3: down the line. A lot of things to talk about there. Uh, 944 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 3: do you think him though, coming in with that mindset, 945 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 3: if this is believable that he does want to make 946 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 3: a statement that he wants to stop Danny Garcia, is 947 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 3: going to maybe open the door for Danny Garcia to 948 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 3: have the best possible chance of success. 949 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 4: I'm not one of these guys who reads a lot 950 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 4: into it. That's why I don't do a lot of interviews, 951 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 4: you know, because I'm not even saying that they're being disingenuous, 952 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 4: although many times they are. I'm just gonna say something 953 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 4: to this fucking reporter just to you know, get a headline. 954 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:38,800 Speaker 2: But even when they. 955 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 4: Mean it, it's like the reality often forces them very 956 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 4: quickly out of it. So it's like, one, you might 957 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 4: be just lying to me just for lying's sake, and two, 958 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,240 Speaker 4: even if you mean it, it's just a really hard 959 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 4: thing to own up to. And when you switch out 960 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 4: of that game plan to something that is different or 961 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 4: maybe even a little bit less exciting but more winnable, 962 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 4: I don't even blame the guy. Dude Spence, how was 963 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 4: an eighth terrible car accident? We talked about this and 964 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 4: he's coming back. If you had to fight a little 965 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,919 Speaker 4: bit more carefully than normal to beat Danny Garcia, would 966 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 4: you blame him? No, Because if you don't beat Danny Garcia, 967 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 4: now you've got big fucking problems. Man, you got huge 968 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 4: problems on your hands, and you don't want those problems. 969 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 4: It wouldn't be great if you barely be a guy 970 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 4: who were kind of widely expected to be, but it 971 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 4: would be far worse if you lost. So my view 972 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 4: on this is, does he mean those things? Maybe impossible 973 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 4: to know. If he gets the ko I will I 974 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 4: will certainly say you know what he called it, But 975 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 4: so many times they try to call it, and more 976 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 4: often than not they might still get the win, but 977 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 4: the reality of the fight changes things pretty quickly and 978 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 4: they have to go away from it. So I don't 979 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,839 Speaker 4: I personally bec I don't read much into those things. 980 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 3: That's fair, it's very fair. I do believe though, that 981 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 3: that's Errol's makeup. He's gonna do it anyway. I mean, 982 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 3: he said straight up he believes Porter was only as 983 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 3: successful as he was against him because Spence defied the 984 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 3: orders of his own corner who told him to box more, 985 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 3: and he just kept coming and wanted to make that 986 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 3: a fight. So it's gonna be very Your. 987 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 4: Point, so I started to receive your point, is that 988 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 4: Spence's natural orientation. Yes, so saying as much is not 989 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 4: some kind of declaration of change. It's more just like 990 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 4: that's just kind of the way it goes. 991 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 3: Well, look, the winner of this fight, when you got 992 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 3: two of four belts in the in the most important 993 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 3: and lucrative. I mean, look, heavyweight is more important when 994 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,799 Speaker 3: it's populated well, and we're getting fights we want right 995 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 3: now we are, we're in a heavyweight renaissance, but we 996 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 3: know welterweight pays the bills in boxing. That's where your 997 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 3: big pay per views will be. I don't you know. 998 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 3: We don't like to get too much into the sixty 999 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 3: forty tall Spence and Crawford and all that bs, but 1000 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 3: Luke if Errol Spence's welterweight resume with a win on 1001 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 3: Saturday would be Danny Garcia, Sean Porter, Mikey Garcia, Kelbrook, 1002 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 3: Lamont Peterson. Those wins hold up against everybody not named 1003 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,800 Speaker 3: Manny PACIAU in the walterweight division. So yeah, this guy's 1004 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 3: in the driver's seat. It would be interesting to see 1005 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 3: what name he would throw out there. It seems like 1006 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,720 Speaker 3: everybody wants Paci out now because there's that short window 1007 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 3: left where he's so financially viable and still really good 1008 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,320 Speaker 3: at the same time we're beating him. Is a monster 1009 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 3: scalp on your resume? Do you think there's any chance 1010 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 3: though that Spence looks into that microphone and says, Terence Crawford, 1011 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 3: get your shit together, let's do this. 1012 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,440 Speaker 4: I wouldn't mind it, but I think you and I 1013 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,399 Speaker 4: both know that the much bigger dude. 1014 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 2: Why would you call. 1015 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 4: Out a tougher fight for less money when you can 1016 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 4: call out a fight that's still tough. I think we 1017 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 4: both agree with Pacio is still pretty tough, but a 1018 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 4: maybe not as tough as Bud, I don't think that's 1019 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 4: crazy to say. 1020 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 2: For uh, for if if. 1021 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 4: I PAKIAU a shitload more money, I mean, if it 1022 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 4: was the same challenge in more money, you would still 1023 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,719 Speaker 4: expect him to go with the more money you got 1024 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,800 Speaker 4: one that is easier and it's more money. 1025 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe he'll do it. Here's the thing. 1026 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 4: He might get asked about it, in which case he'll, 1027 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 4: you know, he'll just you know, so he'll project strength 1028 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 4: in every direction. But honestly, like what's his preference, dude? 1029 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 4: And also, b C, what would you rather see Spence 1030 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,800 Speaker 4: Pakia or Pakiao McGregor. 1031 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 3: Oh god, I'd rather see Crawford pack yaw to be honest, 1032 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 3: you know, like we've talked about, it's going to be 1033 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,320 Speaker 3: interesting to see what top rank does for the potential 1034 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,919 Speaker 3: last fight where they have butt under contract. But let's 1035 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 3: not forget Keith Thurman's name. He did put out a 1036 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,320 Speaker 3: press release this past week that said cornballly enough. It 1037 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 3: said twenty twenty one called and they want Keith Thurman back. 1038 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,399 Speaker 3: He has thrown his name out there to potentially face 1039 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 3: the winner of Spence Garcia. Look, you can clown on 1040 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,279 Speaker 3: Keith with the ponytail on the flu, and you know, 1041 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 3: he takes a lot of time off and he gets 1042 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 3: hurt and all that stuff. Luke, I thought his best 1043 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 3: performance ever was in that lost to pak Yaw. I 1044 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,359 Speaker 3: think he still got it, you know. I mean there's 1045 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,760 Speaker 3: some questions there, but I still need to see Spence 1046 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 3: Thurman at a very high level. 1047 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 4: You yeah, the haircut. I mean, listen, I'm forty one. 1048 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,280 Speaker 4: There's a lot about people younger than me. I don't understand, 1049 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 4: which is the old dad thing to say when you 1050 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 4: reach this sage. And I've never underquesited his haircut, but 1051 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 4: I do feel like he's a little bit like the 1052 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,359 Speaker 4: forgotten guy, which is funny because he was the guy 1053 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 4: for a time division. 1054 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 2: But yes, we should not lose sight of old. Was it? 1055 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 2: One punch right? One punch Keith Thurman. 1056 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 3: One time, one time ry Wyclef Jean of him? Yes, 1057 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 3: all right, good looking fight though obviously Spence Garcia gotta 1058 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 3: see at Saturday. We'll have an instant reaction afterwards to 1059 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 3: fill your MK palette hole. All right, Luke, let's get 1060 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 3: on to a segment that makes you increasingly angry week 1061 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 3: by week. It's called dead wrong. 1062 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,240 Speaker 4: Well, it won't make me angry if the dead wrongs 1063 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 4: are dead rights and I'm dead wrong. What I don't 1064 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 4: appreciate is when the motherfuckers just don't listen. 1065 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 2: But okay, some of us. 1066 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,719 Speaker 3: Are humble enough to allow to take a public l Luke, 1067 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,239 Speaker 3: I'll sit on the l Okay. 1068 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,880 Speaker 4: Hey, listen, we both take turns on the throne of 1069 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 4: l my friend. That's what That's what this Friday show 1070 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 4: is all about. 1071 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 3: All right, Well, beast's about to take one right here. 1072 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 3: On Wednesday show, Luke, we talked about basketball video games. 1073 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,760 Speaker 3: You mentioned the NBA one with the big head. Yeah, 1074 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 3: big heads, I instantly responded, NBA Jam. Turns out the 1075 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,359 Speaker 3: people all right, I went dead wrong. The arcade game 1076 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 3: with the giant Heads is actually called MBA Showtime. It's 1077 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,360 Speaker 3: similar to NBA Jam, but the size of the heads 1078 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 3: is a monster difference. Obviously, NBA Jam you get the 1079 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 3: spinny dunks and the player verticals off the rafters and 1080 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 3: all that. 1081 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 4: But which is what do What do basketball video game 1082 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 4: fans say is the better game? 1083 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I feel like we all 1084 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 3: have a little bit more of a nostalgic pull in 1085 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 3: our heart to NBA Jam, without question, and by the way, 1086 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 3: it still holds up. I play it on Sega Genesis 1087 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 3: with my kids when I'm able to blow into that 1088 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,799 Speaker 3: cartridge enough to give it new life. Luke, you ever 1089 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 3: get back into that game? 1090 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 2: No? 1091 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 4: You know what I bought for, Like, I don't know 1092 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 4: what was it, Like forty bucks, fifty bucks, something like that. 1093 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,920 Speaker 4: I bought it off Amazon. It's the Mini Nintendo system 1094 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 4: and you don't put cartridges in there. It just comes 1095 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,799 Speaker 4: loaded with like two hundred games. I bought one of those, 1096 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 4: and I was playing Super Mario one, two and three 1097 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,280 Speaker 4: not too long ago. It's fun for like thirty minutes. 1098 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 4: And I'm like, these fucking video games suck ass. I 1099 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,839 Speaker 4: read a watch pornography. But anyway, it's just me speaking la. 1100 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,960 Speaker 3: Some guy was trying to get me into a debate 1101 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 3: on Twitter today of Jenna Jamison versus Janine Lyndon Mueller 1102 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 3: of nineties Queen, and I'm. 1103 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,799 Speaker 2: Like, Sylvia Saint is your answer? Yeah? All right? 1104 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 3: Hey number two? How about I take an l for 1105 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 3: apparently my lack of celebrity boxing knowledge when getting us 1106 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 3: hyped for Tyson Jones and in the instant reaction, I 1107 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,400 Speaker 3: made references to Screech taking on Todd Bridges aka Willis 1108 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 3: from a Different Strokes in that short lived but very 1109 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,399 Speaker 3: funny Fox celebrity boxing series from about twenty years ago. 1110 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,479 Speaker 3: Turns out I was wrong, Luke. They never actually fought 1111 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,439 Speaker 3: each other. Dustin Diamond, who played Screech, beat the shit 1112 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,800 Speaker 3: out of Ron Polillo. Remember he thought he was the 1113 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 3: welcome back Cotter guy. And then Todd Bridges I really 1114 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,719 Speaker 3: used his jab well to out box Vanilla Ice and 1115 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,120 Speaker 3: win a three round unanimous decision. So yes, I'll take 1116 00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 3: the l It's like me saying, oh, I remember that 1117 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 3: time I ate five hot dogs and they're like, well, 1118 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 3: actually those were sausage sticks from the from the you know, 1119 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:04,839 Speaker 3: the same same shit in. 1120 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 2: The You know it's funny. I feel it. 1121 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,239 Speaker 4: But if someone had told me, hey, remember when like 1122 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,720 Speaker 4: Screech fought Todd Bridges, there's a part of your brain 1123 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,719 Speaker 4: that just that sounds so intuitively true. I didn't even 1124 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:16,759 Speaker 4: think twice about it. 1125 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 2: That is hilarious. I did not know that's funny. 1126 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 3: I went back and watched that series a couple of 1127 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 3: months ago on YouTube just for shits and giggles, and 1128 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:29,360 Speaker 3: I forgot that. Uh Joey Butafuco fought China the rest. 1129 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 3: I mean like there was like these were some wild 1130 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 3: she remember was ma new ball against refrigerator? Perry used 1131 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 3: to dude, freaking watch pc P. 1132 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,319 Speaker 4: See we got to get the guy who is the 1133 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,839 Speaker 4: genius who said we got to get Joey Buttafuco, which, 1134 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,120 Speaker 4: by the way, if you're at all anything over twenty 1135 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,799 Speaker 4: years old, there, I mean, you just can't get that. 1136 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 4: So that is that BC is Joey Buttafuco the nineties reference. 1137 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 4: I mean, I can't think of something more nineties than 1138 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 4: that guy. 1139 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 3: But I mean so wait, so he was like an 1140 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 3: auto sales guy in Long Island and he had cheated 1141 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,480 Speaker 3: on his wife with that young lolita. What was her name, 1142 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,120 Speaker 3: Amy Fisher? 1143 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 2: Uh, something like that, And then did he. 1144 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,320 Speaker 3: Help Amy Fisher conspire to shoot his to attempt to 1145 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,440 Speaker 3: shoot and kill his wife. 1146 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:14,239 Speaker 2: So that is my thing. 1147 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 4: He's an autobody shop owner who had a sexual relationship 1148 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,800 Speaker 4: with a minor, Amy Fisher, who subsequently shot his wife 1149 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,320 Speaker 4: Mary Joe Butafuco in the face, and I believe she lived. 1150 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 4: But the tabloids called Fisher the Long Island lolita. 1151 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,319 Speaker 3: Remember how many movies they made about that incident when 1152 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 3: we were kids, like made for TV movies. It was 1153 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,759 Speaker 3: like there was competing ones on different networks. People love 1154 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:36,320 Speaker 3: that story. 1155 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 4: Oh my god, dude, Joey Buttafuco got into a boxing 1156 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:45,720 Speaker 4: match with Amy Fisher's husband. Anyway, dude, we gotta find 1157 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,279 Speaker 4: we gotta find the producer who made that show, and 1158 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 4: we need to interview him. Yeah, whoever it was, would 1159 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,080 Speaker 4: that not be great for this show? 1160 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's fricking stories there. We used to get real 1161 00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,839 Speaker 3: high and watch those weird Fox shows, including that Man 1162 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 3: Versus Animal show when Kobayashi had the hot dog getting 1163 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,319 Speaker 3: contents against that giant bear. Do you remember this, Luke? 1164 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,600 Speaker 3: I know, I referenced this a lot. 1165 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,280 Speaker 2: I talk about that show all the time. 1166 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,400 Speaker 3: He took it so damn seriously and he was winning 1167 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,399 Speaker 3: until the bear slowly just picked up like fifty eight 1168 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,839 Speaker 3: hot dogs in one bite, just just down it and 1169 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,280 Speaker 3: Kobayashi was shattered. 1170 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,319 Speaker 4: Luke, Okay, dude, how about the one where they had 1171 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,000 Speaker 4: the orangutang go against the gymnasts and I couldn't remember 1172 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 4: who was like one long obstacle or like. 1173 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,400 Speaker 2: A series of obstacles. 1174 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 4: But you have this fat ass like orangutang scratching his 1175 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 4: buttthole and sniffing his fingers. Meanwhile, you got this fucking 1176 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 4: jacked gymnasts who is so muscular and you know they 1177 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 4: like go and the fucking orangutank is just sitting there 1178 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 4: hanging out like he's loitering in front of the seven 1179 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,759 Speaker 4: to eleven. Meanwhile, the gymnast is like screaming through. 1180 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 2: You know, the obstacle course. 1181 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,759 Speaker 4: Finally, the Orangutank's like, all right, let me go beat 1182 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,319 Speaker 4: up on this fucking, you know, lesser primate and just 1183 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 4: with like three strokes of the swing on the monkey 1184 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,960 Speaker 4: bars zooms right past him. It was like, I was 1185 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,239 Speaker 4: the most amazing shit, dude. Fox used to be the 1186 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,560 Speaker 4: dumbest shit back in the day. But the best thing, 1187 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 4: it was the best thing on television. 1188 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,760 Speaker 3: Somebody raced an animal, I remember, and they got smoked. 1189 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,960 Speaker 3: You can't beat animals. Come on, I mean, seriously, we're 1190 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 3: still we're still doing this right now. All right, Luca, 1191 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,880 Speaker 3: it's time for you to take an l u. 1192 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:18,640 Speaker 2: What all right? 1193 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. When referencing the RDA Connor McGregor press conference 1194 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,360 Speaker 3: ahead of UFC one ninety six in the fight that 1195 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,840 Speaker 3: never happened. Uh, you mentioned that Connor wore almost the 1196 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,759 Speaker 3: exact same shirt that Pablo el scabar war turned out 1197 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 3: it was L Choppo. 1198 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, I almost have misspoke. Yes, that's I'll 1199 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 2: take the L. 1200 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,160 Speaker 4: I did not mean to do that, but yes, it's 1201 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,239 Speaker 4: a famous photo with Choppo going something like this and 1202 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,440 Speaker 4: the blue sort of like what'd you call that? 1203 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 2: BC tied I something like that. 1204 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 3: It was like a he wore it when he met 1205 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:51,240 Speaker 3: Sean Penn. 1206 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,600 Speaker 4: I don't know that story, but okay, well, anyway, Pablo 1207 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,719 Speaker 4: Escobar dressed much more plainly. 1208 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,800 Speaker 2: Chopo was a little bit more flair for the dramatic. 1209 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:02,799 Speaker 2: I guess you could say, well. 1210 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,239 Speaker 3: Our people are saying that Connor did once post an 1211 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 3: ig photo of him wearing Pablo's mugshot on a tank top. 1212 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,120 Speaker 3: So Luke, it must have played with your mind and 1213 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,400 Speaker 3: you screwed up your South American dictators drug traders. 1214 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 2: Aos a North American drug lord. No South American? 1215 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,960 Speaker 3: Maybe Central American, Okay, maybe American. All right, We're all 1216 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,279 Speaker 3: Americans at the end of the day. All Right, I'm 1217 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,640 Speaker 3: gonna take an L here. On Wednesday's show, I was 1218 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 3: referencing Muhammad Ali turning around his public image through philanthropy 1219 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,280 Speaker 3: and all that, and I referenced him as a former 1220 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,439 Speaker 3: black panther. That is dead wrong, Luke. 1221 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:38,680 Speaker 2: He said he was a black panther on the show. 1222 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did. Apparently I don't have that. Apparently he 1223 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,560 Speaker 3: was in the Nation of Islam's different. 1224 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,920 Speaker 4: By the way, the name Mhammad Ali is apparently a 1225 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,799 Speaker 4: very it was an it's a very coveted name for 1226 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,239 Speaker 4: I guess, not just for people who convert, but for 1227 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,839 Speaker 4: names generally. And they had saved that name for him 1228 00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,520 Speaker 4: because obviously he was initially Cassius Clay, but he was 1229 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,279 Speaker 4: a member of the Nation of Islam. But no, not 1230 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,240 Speaker 4: a black panther. Two very, very very different things. 1231 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,279 Speaker 3: I apologize for that. That dead wrong there, Ah, Luke. 1232 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,359 Speaker 3: Let's let's continue this. Apparently people are telling me I'm 1233 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,520 Speaker 3: dead wrong for not taking you off the hook of 1234 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,439 Speaker 3: your dead wrong a week ago. So this all started, Luke, 1235 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,279 Speaker 3: when Jennifer Mayah made her ring entrance to get sent 1236 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,840 Speaker 3: to Hell by Valentino Shipchenka, although the sending never quite happened, 1237 00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:33,879 Speaker 3: and she walked out to TNT by ac DC. Well, 1238 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,919 Speaker 3: here's the double dead wrong here. Luke Okay. Last week, 1239 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 3: in defending it, you said, it's the same shit. It's 1240 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,719 Speaker 3: just like everybody knows the Who's Baba O'Reilly people call 1241 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:51,839 Speaker 3: a teenage. Those are two different songs, Luke Okay. Yes, 1242 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,160 Speaker 3: TNT and Dirty Deeds have a similar melody to them, 1243 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 3: but they are two different freaking songs. 1244 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,920 Speaker 4: You are dead wrong, and so you wrong because when 1245 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,239 Speaker 4: I said that also dead wrong thing, you didn't correct me. 1246 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,719 Speaker 3: No, I didn't. In real time. I didn't correct you. 1247 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,719 Speaker 3: But that does make a lot of sense. So let's 1248 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,600 Speaker 3: put that to bed for good. You're dead wrong. One 1249 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,680 Speaker 3: more additional dead wrong. I was mentioning how rare it 1250 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,040 Speaker 3: is for a boxing match not involving Floyd and Connor 1251 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,000 Speaker 3: or Floyd in Paccio to do more than one million 1252 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,560 Speaker 3: buys sense maypack. I was dead wrong to forget that 1253 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,759 Speaker 3: Canelo when he fought julioseys Ar Chavez Junior a couple 1254 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,600 Speaker 3: of years back, did cross that one million pay per 1255 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,400 Speaker 3: view plateau. It was a you know, obviously a matchup 1256 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,120 Speaker 3: between two Mexican icons. Although the fight blee chunks, and 1257 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,759 Speaker 3: I did want to address one thing. People tried to 1258 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,560 Speaker 3: double me up on the dead wrong Luke and say, well, 1259 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,160 Speaker 3: what about aj Anthony Joshua. He's doing a million every 1260 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,040 Speaker 3: single time. He's doing a million in the UK every 1261 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,480 Speaker 3: single time. And here's the difference. I'm not trying to 1262 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,839 Speaker 3: be you know, USA only, but we when we talk 1263 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,799 Speaker 3: about pay per view numbers, we talk about them in 1264 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,240 Speaker 3: the sense of the US because that's how they're tracked. 1265 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 3: In the UK, they do have a vibrant pay per 1266 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,000 Speaker 3: view market, but they traditionally charged like twenty or thirty 1267 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 3: bucks for the shows, where in the States we charge 1268 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,719 Speaker 3: seventy five one hundred dollars. So it's not a fair comparison. 1269 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,560 Speaker 3: If we charged twenty five bucks here, I think we would, 1270 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:16,120 Speaker 3: we would have. 1271 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,840 Speaker 4: Ridiculous what's the equivalent of thirty English pounds to. 1272 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 2: Dollars, So thirty would be about forty bucks. 1273 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,800 Speaker 3: So yeah, in fairness, so they're basically looks, yes, they're 1274 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,400 Speaker 3: half pricing their pay per view. So yes, in John 1275 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,120 Speaker 3: Anthony josh was a monster star, especially on that side 1276 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 3: of the globe. But in the US he has not 1277 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,480 Speaker 3: reached that one million mark. So that's that, Luke dead wrong. 1278 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,439 Speaker 2: On all right, thank you, fair enough? These were better 1279 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,400 Speaker 2: this week. These were they got us dead to rights 1280 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,760 Speaker 2: on these ones, we see. 1281 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,600 Speaker 3: Okay, we Luke, didn't have to lose. Look Mikey, our producer, 1282 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 3: Mikey Morms, he was a little nervous at bringing up 1283 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,560 Speaker 3: the TNT thing again to you, Luke. He thought he 1284 00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,440 Speaker 3: was gonna lose. You thought he was gonna lose your 1285 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:53,920 Speaker 3: shot on him. 1286 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,000 Speaker 2: Okay, the only ones. 1287 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,080 Speaker 4: I just get pissed about what it's like you said 1288 00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,640 Speaker 4: X And I look at the tape and it was 1289 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,240 Speaker 4: like not even like no, like there's no possible way 1290 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,120 Speaker 4: to interpret that other than being deaf. That's the shit 1291 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,360 Speaker 4: I get angry about. But these are all fair These 1292 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:08,800 Speaker 4: are all fair game. 1293 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,840 Speaker 3: All right. We're breezing through this show today, Luke. It 1294 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,960 Speaker 3: is Friday, right, There's no rules we can put out 1295 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,880 Speaker 3: in our show. F you if you think differently, But 1296 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,640 Speaker 3: it's tip to tip time, Luke, just for a second, 1297 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,320 Speaker 3: just to see how it feels. We close every Friday, 1298 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,320 Speaker 3: of course, with offering you advice something to look out for. 1299 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,720 Speaker 2: Did you see the animey? 1300 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,160 Speaker 4: I want them to play the animation again, and I 1301 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,080 Speaker 4: want you to look in the bottom left hand corner 1302 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:34,600 Speaker 4: of your screen. 1303 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,560 Speaker 2: Can you play that again? Look at the look at that. 1304 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,800 Speaker 2: It's them shaking hands through the pants. 1305 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's great stuff. It's very manly, Luke, 1306 00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,400 Speaker 3: we are a sad group. Uh do you want to 1307 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:48,400 Speaker 3: share your sad tip? 1308 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,800 Speaker 4: First, Luke, I didn't have much. I kind of joked 1309 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,920 Speaker 4: I was borrowing from Dustin Poarier. Stay hydrated, just because 1310 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,440 Speaker 4: you've been seeing me. I'd been drinking these all show. 1311 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,600 Speaker 4: But more than that, actually, I'll give you a piece 1312 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,760 Speaker 4: of impromptu advice. I get a lot of questions about 1313 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,120 Speaker 4: my studio setup, and I'm still working on it before 1314 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,320 Speaker 4: I want to show everyone what I'm doing. I'm building 1315 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,200 Speaker 4: a tag board power station over here. I've got a 1316 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,080 Speaker 4: lot of things going on. But I've repainted it, I've 1317 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,480 Speaker 4: remodeled it, I've got all my equipment set up. 1318 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:17,840 Speaker 2: It's just a little bit disorganized, and. 1319 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,600 Speaker 4: I want to get that organization straight before I get 1320 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,520 Speaker 4: it going for wider consumption. But there's a place I've 1321 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,520 Speaker 4: used routinely. If anyone out there not even wants to 1322 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:26,880 Speaker 4: be on YouTube, but you want to know a little 1323 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,960 Speaker 4: bit more about how to use maybe your camera phone 1324 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,160 Speaker 4: make kind of video presentations, either for social media, for 1325 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,680 Speaker 4: YouTube or something else. Even just to make fun, creative 1326 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,280 Speaker 4: stuff for yourself or your friends, but also for people 1327 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,280 Speaker 4: who want to make a career out of YouTube. There's 1328 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,000 Speaker 4: a channel that is just invaluable. It's called think Media. 1329 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,080 Speaker 4: Think Media. Just google that on or just search, I 1330 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,360 Speaker 4: should say, on YouTube. They've got hundreds off, not thousands 1331 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,400 Speaker 4: of videos. Some of them may pertain to you, some 1332 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,240 Speaker 4: of them may not. But if you've ever been kind 1333 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,320 Speaker 4: of curious about, hey, how do I do this? On 1334 00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,920 Speaker 4: YouTube or Instagram or Twitter or with video or cameras 1335 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,920 Speaker 4: or anything involved in that world, it's good for beginners 1336 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,200 Speaker 4: and intermediates. Like once you get advanced, it's a little 1337 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,040 Speaker 4: bit less relevant. But for those two groups, Think Media 1338 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,640 Speaker 4: lots and lots of good stuff for them. And then 1339 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,560 Speaker 4: of course over the weekend, stay hydrated. 1340 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,280 Speaker 3: Thank you very much for that, Luke. I will take 1341 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,760 Speaker 3: that tip. I will receive the tip. My tip this 1342 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 3: week is, look, I want to continue where I've been 1343 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,960 Speaker 3: going on this vinyl journey with myself and trying to 1344 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,360 Speaker 3: share it with you, and I'll continue to say this 1345 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,920 Speaker 3: classic rock radio has lied to us. I was a 1346 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 3: long classic rock fan and the music snob, and I 1347 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,640 Speaker 3: love sixties rock and I love the big bands of 1348 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,000 Speaker 3: the seventies and nineties grunge, and a few of the 1349 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,920 Speaker 3: eighties weird stuff as well. I never realized that the 1350 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,280 Speaker 3: seventies is the greatest decade in music in rock history. 1351 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,280 Speaker 3: And it's not just my expansion into bands like Genesis 1352 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,240 Speaker 3: and Chicago, which you know, again, classic rock radio painted 1353 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,800 Speaker 3: a certain picture of who you thought they were. I'm 1354 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,040 Speaker 3: finding out that I'm a fan of so many more things. 1355 01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,240 Speaker 3: And one of those things when you give me five 1356 01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,920 Speaker 3: days alone and in Los Angeles hotel room and I 1357 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,040 Speaker 3: can't even leave my room because of quarantine, I'm gonna 1358 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,320 Speaker 3: go deep. Luke, I've begun the deep dive on an 1359 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,560 Speaker 3: artist who I have long hated, didn't like her, didn't 1360 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,280 Speaker 3: like what she stood for, didn't like her music, And 1361 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,600 Speaker 3: now I'm head over heels in love because I went 1362 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,080 Speaker 3: for it. Luke, I don't care what you think about me. 1363 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 3: I don't care what the people think about me. I 1364 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:25,800 Speaker 3: am shamelessly addicted to Joni Mitchell's prime seventies catalog, her 1365 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:31,520 Speaker 3: expansion into full time jazz, her absolutely stunning, incredible one 1366 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,240 Speaker 3: of the best five albums of all time nineteen seventy 1367 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:39,439 Speaker 3: two is Blue. I Am head over heels in love 1368 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,160 Speaker 3: with this crazy genius and her brilliance is. I mean, look, 1369 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,640 Speaker 3: maybe I'm predisposed maybe to like this because Bob Dylan's 1370 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,960 Speaker 3: my favorite artist of all time. But I assumed that 1371 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,560 Speaker 3: this woman was as annoying as her public image, and 1372 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,640 Speaker 3: it's not. She's a freakin genius and I'm all over, 1373 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,840 Speaker 3: Ladies of the Canyon. Yah. I mean, I am so 1374 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,400 Speaker 3: damn deep on all things, Joni, and I don't care 1375 01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,360 Speaker 3: what any of you think about me. How the hell 1376 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,720 Speaker 3: have I gone this long as a credible music fan 1377 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:15,120 Speaker 3: and self proclinmed snob and not taken the taste test, Luke, 1378 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,960 Speaker 3: I have tasted. I have seen. This freaking alien genius 1379 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,520 Speaker 3: is everything I need right now at age forty two, 1380 01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,640 Speaker 3: stuck in a hotel room. Thank you. 1381 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,840 Speaker 2: I'm not one of these dudes who. 1382 01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,000 Speaker 4: Buys into the idea that you have to standardize across 1383 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:37,600 Speaker 4: races and genders who you read or listen to or watch, right, 1384 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,200 Speaker 4: but you should ask yourself a question. Go through any 1385 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,000 Speaker 4: books you might have, See how many are male authors? 1386 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,080 Speaker 4: See how many are female? Go through your record collection, 1387 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,560 Speaker 4: see how many are female? See how many are male? 1388 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,120 Speaker 2: And then begin to see if there's any kind of 1389 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:53,640 Speaker 2: pattern there, and listen, everyone's gonna have their own favors 1390 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,960 Speaker 2: or your style. You may like a certain. 1391 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,840 Speaker 4: Style of music, this is not particularly populated by one 1392 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,440 Speaker 4: gender or the other, whatever that may be. But I 1393 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,920 Speaker 4: begin to notice it was like, dude, I listened to 1394 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,040 Speaker 4: a lot of dudes all the time, right, I read 1395 01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:09,960 Speaker 4: a lot of books from dudes. I listen to mostly 1396 01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,959 Speaker 4: Cannibal Corpse and Vinnie Paz or when I'm watching it's 1397 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:13,920 Speaker 4: blah blah blah. 1398 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:15,320 Speaker 2: I try now and again. 1399 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,120 Speaker 3: Look porn, your porn search history, a lot of dudes. 1400 01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:20,680 Speaker 4: It just is what it is, you know, Even then, 1401 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,400 Speaker 4: all roads lead to James Dean. I'm just pointing out BC. 1402 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,400 Speaker 4: Sometimes you got to take a moment to step outside 1403 01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,800 Speaker 4: of yourself and say, wait a second, who is somebody 1404 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,520 Speaker 4: I've maybe never listened to it and doesn't have to 1405 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,120 Speaker 4: be defined by gender per se, But that can sometimes 1406 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,280 Speaker 4: be an easier way to find something new if you 1407 01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,080 Speaker 4: have a predominant trend towards one kind of side of things. 1408 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,320 Speaker 4: And so I don't know if that's your case, per se, 1409 01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,200 Speaker 4: but I've definitely caught myself. I would call it making 1410 01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,919 Speaker 4: a mistake, but just kind of correcting for my own 1411 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,960 Speaker 4: myopia at times, and more often than not, I find 1412 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,920 Speaker 4: something new that I at least like a little. 1413 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,120 Speaker 2: Bit, you know. 1414 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,720 Speaker 3: And I've been slow in the past, So this is 1415 01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,840 Speaker 3: a good point that you just made to really cherish 1416 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,040 Speaker 3: great female rock or folk artists or whatever on that level. 1417 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,360 Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, I own Carol King Records, 1418 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,000 Speaker 3: Fleetwood Matt, I mean, I've come around. I'm just telling 1419 01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:09,560 Speaker 3: you right now if you have, if you're not woke 1420 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,600 Speaker 3: to Joni Mitchell, she is of a next level ilk 1421 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,400 Speaker 3: both singing and songwriting and and and and the mind. 1422 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,040 Speaker 3: It's just it is. 1423 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,439 Speaker 4: Is she the one who originally wrote pink Furry Dice 1424 01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:21,479 Speaker 4: to put up a parking lot? 1425 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah texicat Uh you know. 1426 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,800 Speaker 2: Yeah whatever one that what's her face covered? Later? 1427 01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, she wrote Woodstock and but that's the thing. She 1428 01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,960 Speaker 3: has very little on purpose, very little you know, pop 1429 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,960 Speaker 3: crossover hits. I'm telling you, this album Blue Is is 1430 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,760 Speaker 3: unlike anything I ever I ever imagined it could be. 1431 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,760 Speaker 3: And uh, and I'm a change man because of it. 1432 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,320 Speaker 3: That's my tip for this week. Uh, please get on 1433 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:46,960 Speaker 3: on the end of that tip, all right, stay on there. 1434 01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:48,720 Speaker 2: You did you listen to it? Sober? 1435 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,560 Speaker 3: I don't have to tell you anything about what I 1436 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,720 Speaker 3: do when this camera turns off, Luke, Okay. 1437 01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,880 Speaker 2: This camera that turns your face the color of fucking 1438 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:00,720 Speaker 2: total bay. You just look at that. 1439 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have liver failure, right, the boy like, Wow, 1440 01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,240 Speaker 3: shout out to BC's liver. 1441 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,480 Speaker 4: I mean yeah, it's like it's like you know what 1442 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,280 Speaker 4: Jay was like, we gotta get we gotta get BC 1443 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,560 Speaker 4: that jaundice color. That's that's the color that we're missing here. 1444 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,600 Speaker 3: I mean, look shout out to the bubble here because 1445 01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,919 Speaker 3: obviously the numbers COVID Luke, California not strong right now. 1446 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,520 Speaker 3: Traveling is tough. We can't even leave our hotel room 1447 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,640 Speaker 3: for multiple days and you know, meals delivered to you, 1448 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,320 Speaker 3: you know, and and it's uh, yeah, I'm not catching 1449 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,480 Speaker 3: sun in here, Luke. Okay, I'm working hard, all right. 1450 01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,040 Speaker 3: I'm I'm delivering to many different bosses and I'm catching 1451 01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,920 Speaker 3: those checks. But uh, it's me some bed sheets, Jony. 1452 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,840 Speaker 3: That's about it. That's what that's that's my last five days, 1453 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:43,200 Speaker 3: all right. 1454 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,360 Speaker 2: Do you have big plans for the weekend? 1455 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,680 Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I'm gonna work from home covering the Spence 1456 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:49,480 Speaker 3: Garcia fight you. 1457 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,280 Speaker 2: It's about right. My house is. 1458 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:53,440 Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys have heard. My house 1459 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,480 Speaker 4: is being renovated a little bit. So I have to 1460 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,760 Speaker 4: walk around my own house house with the doors open 1461 01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,320 Speaker 4: and the windows open and my mask on. 1462 01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,320 Speaker 3: But that's fun that showtime Cheddar in the CBS. 1463 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,840 Speaker 2: He actually quite literally, that's where the money is coming from. 1464 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:07,480 Speaker 2: I didn't have it. 1465 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,440 Speaker 4: Before I got a new job, got a little extra 1466 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,520 Speaker 4: pocket change BC. Plus I've been saving and uh, I'm 1467 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,280 Speaker 4: gonna put it to some good use. My house hasn't 1468 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,160 Speaker 4: been remodeled since it was built. So is it started 1469 01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:20,880 Speaker 4: a little like you? I mean, people were coming over 1470 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:22,840 Speaker 4: and be like you did you get your grandma's couch? 1471 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:23,760 Speaker 4: What couch are using here? 1472 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,800 Speaker 3: So yep, yep, I've been told we have another graphic 1473 01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,520 Speaker 3: to show here Spotify. What are we talking about here? 1474 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:33,320 Speaker 2: Oh? 1475 01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,080 Speaker 4: People who for for Spotify is wrapped? People who had 1476 01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,000 Speaker 4: us basically either at or the top of their lists 1477 01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,400 Speaker 4: near the top of their lists for like year end 1478 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,840 Speaker 4: podcast listening. So let's give a shout out. Karen smuomr n, 1479 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:51,800 Speaker 4: Ben L. Powell, Pavell, p Anthony P. Jack s, Misha W, 1480 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:56,680 Speaker 4: Pete F, Stephen Tyson, Joshua, Chris G, Nathan Are, Sam H, 1481 01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:01,439 Speaker 4: Peter P. Niall, Rory F, Jason W. Jennifer's see Jennifer C. Wow, 1482 01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:02,280 Speaker 4: that woman doing it. 1483 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:03,120 Speaker 2: Unbelievable. 1484 01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,320 Speaker 4: Kevin G, Paul G rajot S and then Jackson dub 1485 01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:08,840 Speaker 4: look at that BC. 1486 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,360 Speaker 2: Good stuff for all those folks. Thank you so much, thank. 1487 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:16,120 Speaker 3: You really, thank you everyone for coming on this journey 1488 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,160 Speaker 3: with us, subscribing, liking all those stupid things, buying our merch. 1489 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:24,640 Speaker 3: But Luke, I don't know if there's anyone as prolific 1490 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:29,160 Speaker 3: in the fight sphere space as your MK brethren right now. 1491 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,560 Speaker 3: And we're not slowing down, we're not stopping. 1492 01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,760 Speaker 4: The lady who cut my hair goes, how often do 1493 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,240 Speaker 4: you podcast? I said, three times a week, lady, she goes, Wow, 1494 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,120 Speaker 4: that's a lot of it, I said. I said, well, 1495 01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,400 Speaker 4: I gotta afford these fucking expensive ass haircuts one way 1496 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,280 Speaker 4: or the other. But in all seriousness, yeah, dude, we 1497 01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,760 Speaker 4: put out Honestly, I think we put out maybe too 1498 01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,080 Speaker 4: much content, but maybe that's debatable, but at a bare minimum, 1499 01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,240 Speaker 4: you can't say you don't get enough. I mean, there's 1500 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,280 Speaker 4: plenty of stuff, and today I have an interview with someone. 1501 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,439 Speaker 4: I think we'll put that out tomorrow, though I don't 1502 01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,960 Speaker 4: want to say which names BC. But you've got interviews 1503 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:01,480 Speaker 4: lined up for. 1504 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,280 Speaker 2: Next week, dude, I cannot. 1505 01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,240 Speaker 4: Wait for at least one, if not two, of those. 1506 01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:07,640 Speaker 4: They're gonna be awesome. 1507 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you very much. I'm I'm I'm 1508 01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,960 Speaker 3: overwhelmed with love. Luke Okay, thank you. 1509 01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:22,120 Speaker 4: MKA dissected just went away. Well, you know what, I 1510 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:23,760 Speaker 4: might bring it back. I might bring it back for 1511 01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,519 Speaker 4: the boxing fight. We'll see, we'll see how things go. 1512 01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,040 Speaker 3: Serves you right for making that awful Pat Tillman joke 1513 01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:28,800 Speaker 3: that time on there. 1514 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:30,519 Speaker 2: Yeah was that mean? Does that mean? Who did that? 1515 01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,599 Speaker 2: Or was that some guy named Big Beige? I can't remember. 1516 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,799 Speaker 3: I mean I may have made a reference to nudes 1517 01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,719 Speaker 3: as well on a podcast about a guy who got 1518 01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,320 Speaker 3: who got wrongfully jailed for not touching children. 1519 01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,680 Speaker 4: So yeah, the good news is those those interviews did 1520 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,000 Speaker 4: huge numbers on our channel. 1521 01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,360 Speaker 2: I was so glad that they eccet. 1522 01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we only had to wait two months to 1523 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,719 Speaker 3: post it. After uh after. 1524 01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,920 Speaker 4: Guys, guys, has the has the interest in this show? 1525 01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,360 Speaker 4: Warn out hit the published button. 1526 01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, that's the m K for the week. 1527 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,519 Speaker 3: Shout out to our great staff, Showtime, Malco, CBS Sports. 1528 01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:04,800 Speaker 3: It's a collective effort. 1529 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,320 Speaker 4: Shots about social and then the email all that good ship? 1530 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, all right Social, what do we got here? 1531 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,800 Speaker 3: These are the handles you can follow us the show on. 1532 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:16,719 Speaker 3: Please grab a handle. 1533 01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:20,120 Speaker 2: All right, I think. 1534 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,920 Speaker 3: There we go at Morning Combat, of course on your 1535 01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,000 Speaker 3: social channels. A little bit different on the names there 1536 01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,040 Speaker 3: for Luke and I across the board, but that's it. 1537 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,880 Speaker 3: You know, have job, we will cast your check. This 1538 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,400 Speaker 3: is Morning Combat. This is what we do. All right. 1539 01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,360 Speaker 3: Thank you to the staff, Thank you to the people. 1540 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,280 Speaker 3: Thirty days free Showtime? Why not? Why not? Guys? It 1541 01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,920 Speaker 3: starts tonight with the Hector Macho Camacho story. You gotta 1542 01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,160 Speaker 3: see that doc And also, I'm told Luke by many 1543 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,040 Speaker 3: a source, including a brethren in this game, Josh Nason, 1544 01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,480 Speaker 3: who says you want to pump or pimp something for Showtime? 1545 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,479 Speaker 3: How about that comedy store docu series. I haven't checked 1546 01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,639 Speaker 3: it out yet, Luke, but I will be okay maybe 1547 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:00,160 Speaker 3: right after. 1548 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,719 Speaker 2: Of this, all right, I'll take a look. 1549 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,080 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Showtime, Thank you India, Thank you Providence. 1550 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,840 Speaker 3: All right for Luke Thomas, I am Brian Campbell. This 1551 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,479 Speaker 3: is morning Combat. Nobody does it better. Right, it's pretty 1552 01:10:12,560 --> 01:11:34,400 Speaker 2: Damn We're out.