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Speaker 1: Always think I'm plugging is Forgotten Seasons.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, Matt. I think like two and

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Speaker 2: a half years ago we did this the first episode

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Speaker 2: of Forgotten Seasons, and a little bit has changed since then.

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Speaker 2: We talked about the magic then, but man, it's been

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Speaker 2: quite the two and a half years since then. I

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Speaker 2: think me personally, a lot has changed since then. So

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Speaker 2: it's great to be back here. I know a lot

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Speaker 2: of stuff is going around, but I'm excited just to

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Speaker 2: get right back into this because, man, this is kind

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Speaker 2: of where it all started.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Man, it definitely started two years ago. I did

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Speaker 3: your show, man. I was a huge fan of your show,

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Speaker 3: obviously all the smokers ever at showtime at the time,

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Speaker 3: and I hit Brian Dayta and like we got somebody

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Speaker 3: like what do you mean? It's like this young kid's

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Speaker 3: got to ship together. He's doing it all by hisself,

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Speaker 3: him and his brother. Like I like his energy, and man,

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Speaker 3: two years later, man, you're you're one of the top

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Speaker 3: dogs and all the smoke production. So it definitely has

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Speaker 3: come full circuit. Yeah, yeah, I love it, you know,

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Speaker 3: I love love love what you do. You know, love

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Speaker 3: what you bring to the table. You know, obviously adding

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Speaker 3: Jelani to your podcast and his uh, his computer mind.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy for everybody, you know what I mean? Like this,

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Speaker 3: this ship is dope. The building of our production company

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Speaker 3: has been an amazing journey. We've been able to, you know,

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Speaker 3: bring some talented people in. We're building our foundation. We've

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Speaker 3: been the line. So this is a two and a

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Speaker 3: half years ago, bro, A lot has changed.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, yes sir, Yeah, the computer mind to

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Speaker 2: the equation was uh, you know, to be determined. What

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Speaker 2: the outcome of that is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, talk your ship on your show, Dude, Lottie said,

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Speaker 3: you got to earn your ship. This ain't just giving motherfucker. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm playing.

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Speaker 2: So first time I had you on, we talked about

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Speaker 2: the twenty ten magic We're going to go a year

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Speaker 2: before that. I'm I give you a fact that you

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Speaker 2: might not know. The four best teams to miss the

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Speaker 2: playoffs in the modern NBA, you were on two of them,

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Speaker 2: and back to back years. The two thousand and eight

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Speaker 2: Warriors and the two thousand and nine Sons, two of

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Speaker 2: the four best teams to miss the playoffs in the

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Speaker 2: modern era, both loaded rosters. And this Sun's team, I

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Speaker 2: think it comes at an interesting point. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: get into the team a little bit later. But I

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Speaker 2: think for you, man, like you look at your career

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Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, this is the sixth consecutive year

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Speaker 2: that you've signed a one year contract, and obviously even

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Speaker 2: a one year contract in the NBA, it's good money.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's gonna people say, oh, you've got nothing

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Speaker 2: to complain about. But what is it like kind of

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Speaker 2: being in the NBA circle around all your teammates when

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Speaker 2: you're a dude that you don't know if the next

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Speaker 2: year you're going to even have a job. Like when

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Speaker 2: you think back to that time of your life where

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Speaker 2: it's like year after year no stability, Like what do

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Speaker 2: other one year contracts.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it was just a journey, a grind, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean when people say embrace the journey, Like,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't change nothing, man, because I was hungry. I

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Speaker 3: was a dog whether it was basketball or fighting, like

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Speaker 3: So each year I would get to show a little bit,

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Speaker 3: you know. So I was drafted, went to the G League,

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Speaker 3: get a call up from the Clippers. Played well there,

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Speaker 3: We're a terrible team. This is d Miles. Uh not

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Speaker 3: Chris came in, was a rookie. Bobby Simmons, Uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: the minimum. But then this. I was going home in

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Speaker 3: would have been there two more years too. Went to Sacramento,

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Speaker 3: got traded at the at the trade deadline to Philly.

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Speaker 3: Philly was a nightmare for me personally. Didn't get a

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Speaker 3: But then Baron Davis calls me. I'm in sack summertime.

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Speaker 3: we got a full team, we have a full training camp.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, damn, really, why do you feel like

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Speaker 1: Thrive in ours?

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Speaker 3: I think at that point, Julanni, I had thrown away

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Speaker 3: and found out what I needed to do in the league.

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Speaker 3: Like bro, I gotta play defense. I gotta be a

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Speaker 3: fucking dog. I love football, so physicality was nothing to me.

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Speaker 3: I loved it. I loved the competitiveness. I loved just

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Speaker 3: physicality of the game. So anyway, long story short, Nellie

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Speaker 3: rest is history. The following year, my mom dies at

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Speaker 3: Time, did my thing, you know what I mean? And

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Speaker 3: need to get a bigger agent, because I had like

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Speaker 3: thirty five million, woo woo woo. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: It would be seven a year.

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Speaker 3: Those those were the deals they're supposed to give. So

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Speaker 3: I I'm hearing that I had Dan Fagan rest in Peace,

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Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I think I'm gonna be able to

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Speaker 3: get to a certain number. I'm just like, so you tricked.

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Speaker 1: Off more money.

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Speaker 3: So I went in and I went and try to

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Speaker 3: find him.

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Speaker 4: I was about to get I want to want to discipline.

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Speaker 4: So you guys think like, yeah, after man, that's real.

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Speaker 3: That's life for death, bro death, and so think about it.

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Speaker 3: So now so I'm thinking, I'm going to be getting

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Speaker 3: seven million a year, five years, seven seven a year

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Speaker 3: once that falls through. This is how the end of

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Speaker 3: three years twelve million, so four million a year, and

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Speaker 3: Nelly's like, from Nellie's point of view, he was trying

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Speaker 3: We had a training can with Terry Ports. Motherfucker's making

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Speaker 3: fucking high school is almost bread down by the KK. Hey,

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00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,160
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about this old ass man is saying

430
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 3: I had a problem with Sarver after I left because

431
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 3: he said some slick ship to one of my homies

432
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,640
Speaker 3: on the team, And they literally told me right after

433
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna give his name away, but they told

434
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 3: me so I didn't have a problem with Sarver. There

435
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,920
Speaker 3: To answer the question, I w probably I would go

436
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 3: with Sterling, just because I really don't fuck with sar.

437
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 2: Have you guys read you get shut out to Baxter

438
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 2: Homes who follows the page and he broke that Sun's story.

439
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 2: Have you like read or seen some of the things

440
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 2: that the people within the Sun's organization, Like hundreds of

441
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 2: people said that Sarvar did.

442
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 3: I can see the I never personally saw those type

443
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,679
Speaker 3: of actions. But he's out there. He's loud, he always

444
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 3: has to be the center of attention at events. He's

445
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 3: like he's like rat boy, entitled, like energy and like nothing,

446
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 3: you know, whatever he does just goes, you know what

447
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 3: I mean. So when I when I heard what they

448
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 3: said he did, I'm just.

449
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 2: Like, I can only know you guys cool with playing

450
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 2: a little game and me reading off some of the

451
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:50,160
Speaker 2: things that confirmed he did. Sure, so we're gonna play

452
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,880
Speaker 2: a game. No, I mean all these things are true,

453
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 2: like these happened, like this is what people say. Do

454
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 2: you guys know the Blind Rank game? Have you seen

455
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 2: those videos? So there's there's seven things that he did

456
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 2: and without knowing what the next one was, We're gonna

457
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 2: play a game, Matt, you're the owner of the Sons

458
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 2: and this is if somebody within your organization did this

459
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 2: from one to seven, one being the most fireable offense,

460
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 2: seven being let it slide. You got to rank them

461
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: one to seven, all right, So we're gonna start off

462
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 2: Robert Sarver there was a team meeting and he passed

463
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: around a picture of his wife in a bikini to

464
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 2: all the employees and talking about times where his wife

465
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 2: performed oral sex on him. So would that be one

466
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 2: to seven? Where are you putting that?

467
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 1: It's just weird.

468
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give them. I'm gonna put that in the middle.

469
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 3: Let me give that a fuck.

470
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: During LaMarcus Aldridge's During LaMarcus Aldridge's free agency meeting in

471
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen with the Sons, the team knew that Aldridge

472
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 2: had young children in Texas and that playing near his

473
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: children was a priority for him. Sarver remarked to two

474
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: basketball operation staffers that the Suns needed to have local

475
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: strippers impregnated by NBA players so those players would have

476
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: children in the Phoenix area and feel obliged to be

477
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 2: closer to them.

478
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 3: M five because I have a feeling some ships coming,

479
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 3: so I don't I want to leave. I want to

480
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 3: leave the top open. That's just weird, Like both those

481
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 3: are weird.

482
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 2: Go ahead, uh, Taylor Griffin, Blake, Griffin's brother, was in

483
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: the weight room. He didn't have that much hair on

484
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 2: his legs, and Starv asked if he shaved his legs.

485
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: Griffin said yes, and then Sarvar asked him if he

486
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 2: shaved his balls too.

487
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that's fair, that's the least. Yeah, that's fair.

488
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 4: I mean you can get away with that considering all

489
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 4: this weirdo is like, I feel like he can get

490
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 4: that slope yeah six, yeah, yeah, all right, well.

491
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: This is bad. This one's bad.

492
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen, he hired Lindsey They fired Alvin Gentry. This

493
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: is in twenty thirteen, and everyone thought they were gonna

494
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: hire Dan Marley, who was like with the organization for

495
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: a while, really good player. They hired Lindsay Hunter over him,

496
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 2: also a former player, but Inexperience and Star Wars. Rationale

497
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: for hiring Hunter over Marley was that these N words

498
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: need an N word and he didn't abbreviate it.

499
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, show your two colors. Let me

500
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: get that number, Let me give you that, let me

501
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 3: give that, let me give that. I want to give

502
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 3: it a too, but that's fucking crazy, So I'm gonna

503
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: give it one.

504
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: I think that might be one. He the Sons needed

505
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: to really like find their future face of the franchise.

506
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 3: The GM.

507
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: Ryan mcdonat the time wasn't finding much success.

508
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: Diana he was a mess.

509
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 4: He was young too.

510
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: He was a mess.

511
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 2: That was remember uh Tyson Chandler said that, like he

512
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: had no idea. They drafted Devin Booker and remember they

513
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: had like no idea that he was good and didn't know.

514
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 3: What he was.

515
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 2: So he was The Mercury, which is the w NBA

516
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: team had Diana Tarassi, who was like one of the

517
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 2: best players ever. Sarver really wanted McDonough to like find

518
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: the goat, like he wanted the Sons to get their

519
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: goat like Tarassi, So he put a literal goat in

520
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 2: McDonough's office as a metaphor in the goat ship all

521
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: over the office.

522
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: I like that.

523
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: I'll get that. I'm not tripping off. I'm not tripping

524
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 3: off that like I want you to.

525
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: He pants the twenty five year old account executive during

526
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: the als Ice Bucket Challenge in front of more than

527
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 2: sixty employees.

528
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 3: Guy or Girl that's crazy. That's three.

529
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: Good question.

530
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 3: So the last the last one. Yeah, if you pan,

531
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 3: you pants a woman like, that's right. So that's three.

532
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 3: So this last one has to be number two. Yeah,

533
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 3: hopefully it's good.

534
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: Uh, it's just weird again. I mean, I think uh

535
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: four former employees said that in several all staff staff

536
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: meet all staff meetings, Sarver claimed that he needed to

537
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: wear a magnum or extra large condoms and just a team.

538
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 3: Meeting clown clown. Oh man, All right, well that was

539
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 3: the game.

540
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: So I think I think, I think you chose number one, right,

541
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: But that's all to say that this. If you ask

542
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: kind of SUNS fans about that era, if you remember,

543
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 2: like this dude was a cheapskike, Like he traded like

544
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: first round picks for money year after year after year.

545
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: And I think at the end of this Son's run

546
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: where you enter the picture, like the team was old

547
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: as hell. Uh, Nash is like thirty four, Grant Hills

548
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: thirty seven in Shacks thirty seven. So that was the

549
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: Robert Sarver blind rank game.

550
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: Hey, there was a there was a time, and I meant,

551
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: I want to say it was gentry, but gee Hill

552
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: was starting when I got there, and there was a

553
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 3: time I want to say it was once Gentry and

554
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 3: I started playing, well, kind of took Grant spot. And

555
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 3: I love Grant to death. He's one of my favorite

556
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: players growing up. Like it was weird, like I was

557
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 3: in a killer be killed mode, but like I kind

558
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 3: of felt a certain way because obviously, like I said,

559
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 3: he's getting older at the time, and although g is cool,

560
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: like I felt almost an energy shift, and it hurt

561
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: my heart because I'm like, yo, this is one of

562
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 3: my Him and Magic were my two favorite players. So

563
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: I'm playing with my favorite player ever. And now I've

564
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: taken this spot, and I kind of, like I said,

565
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 3: he was always cool, always professional, never did no sucker shit.

566
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: But I kind of just felt like a small energy

567
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: shift for a while, and then you know, once, you know,

568
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 3: once we continue to move forward. It was fine, but

569
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 3: that was kind of like a certain point I remember

570
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 3: because it's still this is still early in my career,

571
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,239
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I have, I've had

572
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: one good season under my belt. The next season, my

573
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 3: mom died. I'm out here in Phoenix truck. I'm fighting

574
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: for my life, you know what I mean. But I

575
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 3: just remember that moment when you know, I got the

576
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: starting nod over g and it was kind of like

577
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: a like a it hurt my heart a little bit.

578
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: It's unfortunate, but it happens in the NBA. I've been

579
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 4: through a situation, you know what I mean, But you

580
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 4: gotta do what you gotta do. Like you said, we

581
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 4: out here fighting for our lives. The one and sometime

582
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: the one is a partial guarantee until January, so you

583
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 4: know what I mean, it's really not no games to

584
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: be played with people out here on one year deals.

585
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 4: And then the dynamic within the locker room when everybody's

586
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 4: comfortable and they know you on your one you know

587
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 4: what I mean.

588
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: There's just a whole world.

589
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 4: Within no guarantees, guarantees the one year, you know, the

590
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 4: one million versus the eighty five. So you got to

591
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 4: remember it's all humans at the end of the day.

592
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: Like you gotta do what you gotta do.

593
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: I remember too, what was also fun about Like I

594
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: had a blast there by the way, like Phoenix fans

595
00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: with Dosees was a city, was amazing, restaurants, bars, beautiful shack,

596
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: holy ship. He was a funny dean.

597
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: Heard We've heard the story and we've heard ye riding

598
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: a shrike naked. Was there anything else?

599
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: He rode lose bike with his buttthole all over because

600
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 3: LOUI heused to have one of those big beach cruisers.

601
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 3: He put his naked buttole all over seat. Shaq would

602
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: just randomly get naked in corner somebody, you know, corner trainers,

603
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: corner players. Oh man, he fucking I think I told this,

604
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: But somehow he got lose bike on the top. You

605
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: know that there's like two tiers of the stoplight. Somehow,

606
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 3: fucking Shock during practice got loose bike put on the

607
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: top one. Like he had to call somebody to hit

608
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: that motherfucker down. Uh, Lou filled up his car. Shack

609
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: got a new black van at the time, or like

610
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: a van, and Lou filled his car up a popcorn

611
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: and got all this fucked up. The seats, got it

612
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: all buttery and greasy. But then also on the flip side,

613
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: Shaq was the homie. So you gotta think, let me

614
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: tell you how bad basketball wise started. So we're teammates

615
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 3: and Shaking is bringing his family over, Shane's coming over.

616
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: This is when I'm with Gloria, and we would we

617
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: would spend. We would hang out often, like you know,

618
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: Shaq's kids that are older now like I when they

619
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: were little little, like when they were Ashton days, you know,

620
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: are even younger. They used to be chilling that the

621
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: twins are just born. So we got two little babies.

622
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: They have their kids. But Shaq and Shanne used to

623
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: kick it. So one day Gloria comes to me and like,

624
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 3: you know, like Shannie has this idea about a show

625
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: and da da da, And I'm thinking like, man, no,

626
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like we just you know,

627
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: we just got to a new team, We just had

628
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 3: some babies. We don't need to do this reality shit.

629
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: And I didn't really know what it was at the

630
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: only time at that time, it's only flavor of love

631
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: at the time. And that shit was you know, that

632
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: shit was a train wreck, you know what I mean.

633
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking like nah, So me and her going

634
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: back and forth maybe a month, month and a half,

635
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: and then Shaq comes and tells me like, did Shack's

636
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: fault that that that that that shit got popping. So

637
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: he comes to me one day like, man, let her

638
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: do it. You know they're gonna be, you know, stepping

639
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 3: outside of our shadows and raising our kids and you know, hey,

640
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: and they'll get the fuck out of our hair. And

641
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, come on, bro, like I'm in a different

642
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: part of my relationship than you are with yours. Like

643
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: the long story short, he talked me into it, bro,

644
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: And then Basketball Wise Miami started the next season when

645
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: I went to Orlando and and they mixed the ship.

646
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: And then that's when Tiger Woods was popping. And Tiger

647
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: used to be at all of our magic games. So

648
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: then the first time I'm on Basketball Wives at a dinner,

649
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: these girls are asking, man, well, you know Tiger Woods,

650
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: this did this, this and that, Like what do you

651
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: guys do when you're on the road. I'm like, what

652
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: the fuck is this? I'm out of here. So like

653
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: that's so that Phoenix time, Shaq started the motherfucking basketball

654
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: Wise ship with with my ex and his wife, and

655
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: you know, the rest is history. I think the wrong season,

656
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: like twenty five was that was that the first one?

657
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 3: That was the original one. Bro. That's when they had

658
00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: ever Evelyn in Miami and Jennifer and Sean and how.

659
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: Many how many people like know you as Matt Barnes

660
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: from Basketball Wives compared to.

661
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: Me Hey, I'm not I'm not even go bro, I'm

662
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: not even gonna front. I wasn't even mad like at first,

663
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm like nah, But it opened me up to another demographic,

664
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, not everybody watching sports, you know,

665
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: some some people like those weirdo reality shit, you know

666
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: what I mean. And it opened me to a whole

667
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: new demographic of people. It's been weird, you know, because

668
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: my career is, you know, a gang of one year

669
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: stops until I started getting deals. But I'm recognized everywhere.

670
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: And I don't say that conceitedly. I'm saying like I'm

671
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: recognized like I was like an All Star, you know

672
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: what I mean, because I think the mix of the

673
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: reality TV, the off the off the court fighting ship,

674
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: you know, I know, but the yeah, you know, the

675
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: Kobe slinch. Like I've done a lot of ship that

676
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: people might either you love me or hate me. I'm

677
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: not really tripping off that, but like, I get recognized

678
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 3: a lot, even though I know as an NBA I

679
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: was a journeyman, you know, I mean, I played, you know,

680
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: fifteen years. I was journeyman. But I get I think

681
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: because of the reality and then off the court scuffles

682
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: and and and you know, viral moments on the court,

683
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: like people, you know, people recognize me from different you

684
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: know lanes.

685
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: Now, how do you feel about that time, Johnny Man?

686
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: Uh Jiulanni. I really don't mind it, to be honest

687
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: with you, Bro, But I what I've liked to be on,

688
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: you know, one team for my whole career, maybe maybe

689
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: two or three.

690
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

691
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: But at the same time, Bro, I got to play

692
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: with a shitload of Hall of famers, got to go

693
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: to some back dope got to go to some dope cities,

694
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: met a lot of people, was in a lot of

695
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: different markets, you know what I mean. So again, you know,

696
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: a journeyman might stay in a couple, you know, but

697
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: you're in different markets different uh, you know, media markets,

698
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: and and it's more recognition. And I just felt like

699
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: I had a blast, man. I was you know, I

700
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: wasn't even supposed to make the league, you know what

701
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: I mean. So I turned fifteen years of professional basketball, man, Like,

702
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: I look at it as just like a huge blessing.

703
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: Who and it's allow me to move phost career different,

704
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like the fact that I

705
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: went to UCLA, that I played for the Lakers and

706
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: the Clippers in LA like doors are opening, you guys know,

707
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: business shit like people just hit me and dots connect.

708
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: So you know, although my numbers weren't crazy, you know,

709
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: every team I played on, I either started or was

710
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: one of the first guys off the bench. I always

711
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: made an impact. Looking back, I think my like kill

712
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: or be killed mentality is probably why I bounced around

713
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: because I was just on some dog shit like I

714
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: wasn't really you know, if a coach says something crazy,

715
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: I'll hold my I'll hold you know, I'll hold it

716
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: back as long as I can. But I'm just not

717
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: gonna be disrespectful. I've lashed out at people. I got

718
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: a lot of technical fouls, but it was passion, so

719
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: you know, you have to really understand it. Like I

720
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: always say, the teams I played on like the guys

721
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: probably hated playing against me but loved playing with me,

722
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: but also didn't know what I brought to the locker room.

723
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: You ask any team I played.

724
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: I was just about how hard is it to walk

725
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: into different locker rooms? Because you know, you know me?

726
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: You know me, Julanna, I'm so cool and laid back

727
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: like people think because I played a certain way on

728
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: the court that I'm always like, I'm cool. I'm always high,

729
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: you know what i mean. So I'm always on some

730
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: cool kickback shit, like I could be friends. I befriended

731
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 3: all the best players. I was kicking with AI when

732
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: I wasn't even playing the Philly going to Atlantic City,

733
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: getting my own hotel rooms and sending Louis the fourteenth

734
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: there and I'm up there playing fucking Madden all by myself,

735
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: like Cobe was my dog, I fucked with Steve CP

736
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: was my you know what i mean. So I've always

737
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: found a way, even knowing what I am and what

738
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 3: I make, to just be me, and I'm always gonna

739
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: be cool. So you know, I always had to kind

740
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: of be careful when I was gambling because I wasn't

741
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: making the twenty millions a year. But I'm a hustler,

742
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 3: so I'm gonna go ahead and get my money though,

743
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: you know what i mean. I'm gonna make set my money. Yeah, man,

744
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get in out of there. But so I've

745
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: just always been, you know, to answer your question, like

746
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: wherever I've gone, it's just been comfortable, you know what

747
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: i mean, Like I'm a natural leader. From a standpoint,

748
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 3: I've never been the best player, but and I don't

749
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 3: talk a ton, but when I talk, people listen because

750
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 3: they know I'm gona run through a wall in the court,

751
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's just like I

752
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: just always play my ass off and looked at every

753
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: game as they'll say it was my last because I

754
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: was onlo man one year deals, Like the one year

755
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: approach has got to be like, not only am I

756
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: playing for the Suns at this time, but this is

757
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 3: for the rest of the league to see me, you

758
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And once I kind of figured

759
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 3: out like this is just about you know, Doc Rivers says,

760
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: be a star in your role. I figured that out early, Like,

761
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: you know, once I got a chance to play and

762
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: do shit, like where can I fit in? All right?

763
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: So this is before the term three and D came out,

764
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 3: Like I was like I could shoot corner threes and

765
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: I could play defense, you know what I mean, And

766
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: I'll get in there and mix it up for you.

767
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: But also you know, I can make I can make

768
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: plays and do all that kind of shit. So each

769
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 3: team I kind of craft in my game, but understood

770
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: what my role was like, yeah, what, I'd like to

771
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: shop more and score more points hill, Yeah, but that

772
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 3: just wasn't my fucking job, you know. And that's why

773
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 3: I feel like I played as long as I did

774
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 3: and left on my terms. You gotta think I left

775
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: on a three year contract. I played one year that

776
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: three year contract, and I retire, so I got paid

777
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: for two more years of service. So it's just like,

778
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: once I kind of figured out can star in your role,

779
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 3: it was I could have played until, you know, probably

780
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: until I was four.

781
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 4: You ever, what's left out in this too. What's left

782
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 4: out in this too is the wear and tear that

783
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 4: text out in your body. If you're on one year deals,

784
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 4: you can't really do the high art. Hell, you're gonna

785
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 4: have to mask a lot of injuries. You're not gonna

786
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 4: be failing right a lot during the season.

787
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 3: So exactly, I broke probably eight out of the ten

788
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 3: fingers I played in Spring, Like I couldn't sit out.

789
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck, like I'm you know, I'm

790
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: smoking weed. If my homeboys have some biking in every

791
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: once in a while, I would if I took one

792
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: of those, I would have to fucking hydrate myself down

793
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: and get that out of my system because I would

794
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: have been a major. But at the time, I don't

795
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: have the luxury of sitting out for injuries. So I'm

796
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: playing and I'm a football and I'm a football player,

797
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 3: so I'm not trying to sit out for shit anything.

798
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just trying to be out there.

799
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: This Sun's medical staff, Like, is it true what they

800
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: say about them?

801
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: Great?

802
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: Because a lot of players they were like, even if

803
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: they're coming off a E c L. They'll go to Phoenix.

804
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: What makes their medicals?

805
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: I just said that one. They're just dope. They're just dope.

806
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: They're very in tune, great people first and foremost. Just

807
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: a great shout out to the Phoenix Suns staff if

808
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: any of those people are still there. And when they

809
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 3: were just great man, great energy, great to be around,

810
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: but really really knew their shit, like really knew their shit.

811
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: So I mean I had a good time. I mean,

812
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 3: Steve is dope. Steve is such a down to earth, amazing, amazing,

813
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 3: amazing you know leader uh Lee by example, uh selfless

814
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 3: uh incredible talent, Like he got the most out of

815
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 3: that body, you know what I mean, he got them

816
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 3: for like an average what Steve Nash is a Hall

817
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: of Famer all MVP, and you would look at him

818
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: and think like, huh, like I can see you surfing

819
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: or skateboard or being a soccer player like he loves.

820
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: But Steve was super dope, worked hard, Amari crazy. They

821
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: used to call him Hancock, like the superhero that everybody hated,

822
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: like it was kind of a joke because he was

823
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: just about basketball. Like basketball. Then you know he would

824
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: get he called him as kill spots. He would get

825
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: to a spots and knock it down. He was fucking strong.

826
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: He was super talented. Amari was amazing. We got Jay

827
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 3: Rich midseason. I was a homie from Golden from Golden State,

828
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 3: so it was good. Too. Little did I know I'm

829
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: in the midst of all the crazy shit that happened

830
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 3: with I think I was either there. It had to

831
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: start when I was there with with allegedly people sleeping

832
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: with people's wives and having kids. Like I'm there on

833
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: that team and not even fucking knowing it. We don't

834
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 3: have to say the names because it came out not

835
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 3: too long ago. But it's just like, man, I'm like, damn,

836
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 3: but this is also a young Leonardo or Leandro Barbosa

837
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 3: six Man of the Year, my dog to this day

838
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: from that team. I mean he was super talented, knock

839
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 3: it down his threes do when he does. Shaq, I mean,

840
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: come unfortunate. I've always a huge fan of Shaq. You

841
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 3: know what he's been able to do, the most dominant

842
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: player ever. And I catch him kind of at the

843
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 3: tail end of his career, so I still see a

844
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 3: little bit, but just getting a chance to know him,

845
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: and and how cool, fucking how cool shat Shaq is

846
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 3: one of the coolest people on earth. I saw you

847
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: guys had something with Devin George when he was talking

848
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: about what he used to do for the young fellas,

849
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: Like I didn't see a ton of that, but just

850
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: cool ass, like a super vet, you know, super vet so.

851
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: In NBA of all time.

852
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll give you some salty shit. I saw him

853
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 3: at the end, so he would give you some salty

854
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 3: shit every once in a while. Or the way he

855
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: used to call talk to Bill Cartwright was one of

856
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: our coaches. He said, Bill, you can't tell me shit.

857
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: I averaged fifty twenty seven and ten on you and Bill,

858
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: and but Bill had a raspy voice and couldn't really

859
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 3: say like he'd be fuck you Shock, like the way Shaq.

860
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: Was current didn't fuck around either, right, Yeah.

861
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: No, No, he wasn't going for it. But the way

862
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: Shaqwa talked to him was so fucking crazy, Bro, it

863
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: was unbelieva. I kind of felt bad, Bro.

864
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: I was with the Lakers.

865
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 4: He was going up to players after the game and

866
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 4: picking up their chain and be like young fellers, save

867
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 4: your money and like let the chain fall, and like walk.

868
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: Away from him. I used to be like, oh damn

869
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: that shit used to I had to.

870
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Shack at the end was gonna lay his

871
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: resume out there. At times it needed to be laid.

872
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 3: It was Shack made that team. Yeah, Shack made that team. Uh.

873
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: Off the court, it was I won and then Hill.

874
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: I have I have a question.

875
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: So I think Nash. You can love Nash, but he's

876
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: definitely a contentious topic because he has two m vps.

877
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: Somebody like Kobe only has one. I think Shaq Shack

878
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: have one or two m vps one.

879
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: Are you are you?

880
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: Are you on board with Steve Nash two time m

881
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: v P? Any problem with that? Should it be held

882
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: against him that people like Kobe only have one.

883
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: No, I mean, if you you can't hold shit against

884
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 3: Steve for people giving him, Yeah, you can't hold shit

885
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: against But I'm to the realist of really knowing how

886
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: motherfucking cod and obviously people think, oh, you're always on Cod,

887
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 3: Like I just got to had a unique relationship with him.

888
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: We went from an admiration when I was in high

889
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: or when I was in and he was, to the

890
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: Lakers coming to UCLA, to competing to almost fighting to

891
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: becoming brothers. With all that said, if I didn't know Kobe,

892
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: Kobe was a cold, motherfucker bro cold. He was a

893
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 3: killer cod on every aspect defense, whatever he needed to do.

894
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 3: So it's just like you see Stevens play with Steve

895
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: and you see his greatness. Obviously he was a little

896
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 3: bit older. I think he was in thirty three, thirty

897
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: four when still nice. Don't get me, Yeah, but I

898
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 3: don't know. Yeah, the butt is there because Kobe was

899
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: was just different. So but you definitely you can't. Yeah,

900
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: you can't hold that shit against Steve though, Uh, you know,

901
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: great dude, great person. But yeah, I mean they gave

902
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: him the MVPs.

903
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: Uh keep your d MVPs. Nast I did.

904
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 2: Did you have any relationship with Steve Kurr at that point,

905
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: who was running the team.

906
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: Uh no, not necessarily. I remember he was being a

907
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 3: connotator at the we believe, so we talked a few

908
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 3: times about just how amazing that we believe run was

909
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: because he's with T and T at the time, so

910
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: he was doing comeds just like I've never felt an

911
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: arena like that. It was, but it wasn't really no,

912
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: you know, no real relationship. We'd see him around, we

913
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: would speak, but I didn't have the relationship obviously that

914
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: I have with him now.

915
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: They said that Steve tried to trade Amari for Curry

916
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: on Draft.

917
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: Night or for that pick.

918
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 2: Oh, really was going to do that and then because

919
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: Golden State didn't think Curry was going to fall, and

920
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: then he fell and.

921
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 3: They said no. It was like, really, wow, could you

922
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: imagine that Steven steph mm hmm. Really uh No. But

923
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: I think, obviously, I think Mark Jack was instrumental in

924
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: turning those guys into who that thing, who they became.

925
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, crazy, what could have what could have been?

926
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: This whole NBA history thing is just the whole string

927
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: of It's all randomness at the end of the day,

928
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: Like if that.

929
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: Trade could have, should have? Would have? Could that could have?

930
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 3: I think that could be a cool show of finding

931
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: ship that was supposed to You know, when Mellow just

932
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: said he was supposed to come to our Laker team,

933
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: I don't even know that I was there at that time,

934
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: so we so listen. So we were supposed to get

935
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: CP and didn't get them, and then we were supposed

936
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 3: to get Mellow and didn't get them. So imagine COVID

937
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: with CP or even Mellow, you know what I mean.

938
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: It was just like and we were trading hogs away

939
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: too l O. I didn't know l O was in

940
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 3: both trades, so we had Lo and Power. We're supposed

941
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: to go to New Orleans for CP, which was voided,

942
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: and then Melo says it was supposed to be LLO

943
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 3: and buying them for Mellow, And I'm just like, can

944
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 3: you imagine like either one of those motherfuckers was Kobe

945
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm just out there doing whatever the

946
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 3: fuck I need to do. I'm gonna hold it down

947
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: for you guys. But man, the COVID Mellow or COVID CP.

948
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: CP trade is so messed up because like it's a

949
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: good trade like you're getting back good players.

950
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: Could have been beneficial. It could have been beneficial. Who

951
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: was talking about that in all the smoke? Wasn't Jeanie

952
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 3: telling us how that fell through there all at a

953
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: meeting and something.

954
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, David Stern, Uh my feet, that was that was dope.

955
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: I appreciate the time, man. I think, uh, you know,

956
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: anybody who uses the word journeyman as a diss as

957
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: a loser. I think the fact that you got to

958
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 2: play thirteen years in the league with Kobe and Nash

959
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: and everyone. I mean, I don't have to tell you,

960
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: we don't have to tell you, but until that you

961
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: have that perspective and that you like, you know, it's

962
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: all just it's real life.

963
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: No, come on, man, fourteen years in the NBA one

964
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: year of just just other basketball, just like fifteen years, Like,

965
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: come on man, that's a fucking dream. And again it's

966
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 3: allowing me to do all this amazing shit we're doing now.

967
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: So I just feel like the NBA was a stepping

968
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: stepping stone to my next career, which you know, we found.

969
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: So I'm thankful for every minute. But yeah, I laugh

970
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 3: on people. You did this. You did like bitch, I

971
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 3: did it you didn't, so I'm confused on what the

972
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 3: problem is. So got part Yeah, all right, faults. I

973
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: appreciate it.

974
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: Man, Thanks MAV. We'll talk so