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Speaker 1: You've had your sample size of Cowboys football last night.
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Speaker 1: I am with my gang today here in Frisco, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna break down for you guys all thing Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame game from last night. I am with my
Speaker 1: with my guys that get Kurt Daniels and that's not
Speaker 1: Isaiah stand back, that is Danny Serek and he is
Speaker 1: Jesse Holley. Gang, how are y'all doing today? Listen before
Speaker 1: anyone speaks, We're getting right into this because um, I
Speaker 1: needed my flowers today, Okay, I need some credit throwing
Speaker 1: my way today. I'm not gonna blame you so much
Speaker 1: so Danny, because you might have not been here. You
Speaker 1: might have not been here. Okay, she was she was here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know where I'm going. I'm curious off the gate.
Speaker 1: There was a bold prediction made by me on this
Speaker 1: show at the start of training camp. Any money, anyone
Speaker 1: care to reflect on that boat prediction that I made
Speaker 1: a hint And it was during the State of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys one set owner of the football team, Oh the
Speaker 1: ring of Honor I made. I told you, I told y'all,
Speaker 1: don't fall for the banana and the tailpipe. He got
Speaker 1: up on stage and he did all those Jerry popping
Speaker 1: tears and you all like crying, And I told y'all,
Speaker 1: I said, mark my words between before the end of
Speaker 1: training camp, don't be shocked if you hear that Jimmy
Speaker 1: Johnson will be going into the Ring of honor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And some of y'all kind of might have casually rod
Speaker 1: jaws like, oh you go Jesse again making those bold predictions.
Speaker 1: But last night on the broadcast, you heard that very
Speaker 1: said owner of this here football team say what he's
Speaker 1: going into the Ring of honor? And let me say this,
Speaker 1: like last night my show was done. Y'all talk unbelievable, Jesse,
Speaker 1: how do you start out day? I'm telling you. I
Speaker 1: was driving here today, I was like, somebody better, No,
Speaker 1: nobody has to get I'm taking the cray credit. You
Speaker 1: said it, and that Jimmy's going into the Ring of Honor.
Speaker 1: Absolutely he is, And that was announced on Fox yesterday,
Speaker 1: with owner Jerry Jones saying that this year, don't we
Speaker 1: don't know what day or which game that's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I just think I don't. I don't. I have to
Speaker 1: be honest. I was not listening live because I was
Speaker 1: hosting the pregame show, which tells me that maybe the
Speaker 1: three of you have not gone back to watch it
Speaker 1: yet if you were all watching that. But that's okay,
Speaker 1: you're watching the Fox Show and said that's okay. But
Speaker 1: earlier Jerry Jones has said that probably not twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Doesn't want to take away from his Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: induction year, but we'll see that could be up in there.
Speaker 1: One of the one of the highlights of the night
Speaker 1: was Jimmy saying when I while I'm alive, So that
Speaker 1: was just awesome. And again star stud at night, all
Speaker 1: of the greats, the guys that are being inducted into
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, like Steve Atwater, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite players of all time, but also our guys Captain Crash.
Speaker 1: Cliff Harris is going into the Hall of Fame, Jimmy
Speaker 1: Johnson is going into the Hall of Fame, and the
Speaker 1: original eighty eight Drew Pearson's going into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: So all of the Cowboys, all of the nostalgia, all
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Still is all that it was there on
Speaker 1: tilt for us to witness last night, and look, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys lost to the Pittsburgh Still is sixteen to three.
Speaker 1: Not a lot to be made of the game. I mean,
Speaker 1: we talked about evaluations and what we could pull from
Speaker 1: this game. Gang, I'm gonna open the floor on this
Speaker 1: to get some just clarity, please, you know, give me
Speaker 1: some clarity on what I saw. I'm talking about digesting
Speaker 1: this the way you were talking before the show. I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if you got a stomachache over there. I got toms.
Speaker 1: I got toms in my pocket. You can hear them
Speaker 1: rattling right now. It was. Look, I'm gonna open the
Speaker 1: floor with you guys, because I want to know how
Speaker 1: you felt, Danny Ladies. First, I don't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: love a lot of what I saw, but I don't
Speaker 1: know how concerned I am of Like the first preseason game,
Speaker 1: we didn't see a lot of starters, and of course
Speaker 1: that's still important because you want to see the depth
Speaker 1: and the backups and what you have on this roster.
Speaker 1: I think it was really great to see Micah Parsons
Speaker 1: have a good few snaps that he played the fumble recovery.
Speaker 1: Of course, you want to see your first round draft pick,
Speaker 1: excuse me, you know, play well, first chance he gets.
Speaker 1: I loved seeing Lyle Collins back on the field again,
Speaker 1: not a lot of snaps, but just seeing him out
Speaker 1: on the field was phenomenal. So there are parts that
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good about in terms of the progress
Speaker 1: and where we're moving forward. But there's also a lot
Speaker 1: of parts that really worry me. Agreed, Yeah, I totally
Speaker 1: agree with that. I mean, there were some highlights, some
Speaker 1: guys like Parsons was probably the highlight as far as
Speaker 1: what we were looking for and hoping to see. Really
Speaker 1: like what he kind of showed right off the bat,
Speaker 1: But I don't you know, it's hard to say this
Speaker 1: first preseason game, Hall of Famer, Hall of Fame game
Speaker 1: is You're never gonna get much out of it. I
Speaker 1: don't think, and I don't. It's hard for me to
Speaker 1: say one way or the other is this good? Is
Speaker 1: it's bad because they're just shaking the rust off really
Speaker 1: and so but you know, first impression, yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of concerns there, you know. But
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to get two worked up about it.
Speaker 1: Given given the situation in the game, are you You're
Speaker 1: so good? You are good, so good? And I promise
Speaker 1: I won't still get thunder this time. I will say
Speaker 1: this um our backup quarterbacks situation is is bad. And
Speaker 1: I know that Garrett give it played decently, but we
Speaker 1: can't go onto twenty twenty one with that situation like that.
Speaker 1: We'll talk more into it about the whole doc in
Speaker 1: the shoulder situation, but we need to really take an
Speaker 1: in depth look of where we're going to go as
Speaker 1: far as backup quarterback that is. It was on display
Speaker 1: last night and I get it. We had about sixteen
Speaker 1: players that didn't travel and anytime you don't have your
Speaker 1: backup guys thrive when they have the elite players around them.
Speaker 1: When you have to have backup guys do starter type
Speaker 1: things as when you ask them to do a little
Speaker 1: bit too much, right, It's like it's like asking a
Speaker 1: fish to climb a tree like a monkey. You're just
Speaker 1: asking me to do a little bit too much out
Speaker 1: of my element. So, not having all of the starters
Speaker 1: there and to play a piece instead of playing the
Speaker 1: entire role, a lot of these guys are playing kind
Speaker 1: of almost fish out of water. Yes it's still football,
Speaker 1: Yes they're still playing that position, but it's different when
Speaker 1: I'm the nose tackle and I'm rushing up the field
Speaker 1: and the officer line have to worry about Tank and
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory opposed to some other guys who we don't
Speaker 1: even know, right, and that gives you a different look.
Speaker 1: Or when I'm you know, when I'm a dB and
Speaker 1: and the rush is different, or my secondary is different,
Speaker 1: and it gives it a different look. But just one
Speaker 1: of the perspectives I saw, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: are looking at that and it's probably low hanging fruit
Speaker 1: for me to even grab it. But the quarterback, the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback position, he isn't he isn't in the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys uniform right now, Why what makes you say that?
Speaker 1: I mean, why why would a guy off the street
Speaker 1: be better than I mean, because right now, I don't
Speaker 1: want to see much out there that would be that
Speaker 1: much better than once you got with Gilbert, who already
Speaker 1: knows the system. And that's the thing is when you
Speaker 1: have guys who already know the system, and it seems
Speaker 1: like you're not seeing any progression, and when it seems
Speaker 1: like you're still not seeing guys take the next step,
Speaker 1: but I don't even know what the real next because like,
Speaker 1: if you're a backup, that next step is probably a starter, right,
Speaker 1: But just to look different, like just to command the offense,
Speaker 1: make the right throws, make the right reads, complete the
Speaker 1: right passes, those type of things. You just kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: how long will it take for you guys to kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, get on get on pace with doing that
Speaker 1: at a at a at a decent clip. I'm not
Speaker 1: a can do to the the league clip, but doing at
Speaker 1: a decent clip. But we're able to put you in
Speaker 1: the game and maybe win a game or two if
Speaker 1: you need to. So we're gonna we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback discussion and because that's gonna take up
Speaker 1: the whole podcast when when we go there. But you know,
Speaker 1: just general assessment for me, and we asked these questions
Speaker 1: in the last podcast about what did you need to
Speaker 1: see from the defense some of the questions that needed
Speaker 1: to be answered. Uh. Energy, you guys talked about that
Speaker 1: guys pursuing the ball, you know, all eleven to the ball. Uh,
Speaker 1: seeing how they look up front? I didn't see. I
Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of that. You know. Michael Parsons, Yes,
Speaker 1: shine a bright spot on that pick because I think
Speaker 1: he is that he showed us in just a little
Speaker 1: sample size that we got, he is that. Some of
Speaker 1: the other guys that I was looking forward to get
Speaker 1: a feel for where they were, guys like bash them, Um,
Speaker 1: guys like Watkins. I didn't see it. Urban, I didn't
Speaker 1: see it. I didn't see the push. We got gashed
Speaker 1: in the run. Last year Pittsburgh opened up. They had
Speaker 1: some quality runs from Naja Harris all right, Um the
Speaker 1: fumble that Michael cover. Great. We led the NFL in
Speaker 1: turnover and turnovers there for a quarter. We were there
Speaker 1: for one quarter and then all of a sudden it
Speaker 1: was gone. But then you start to say, okay, wow,
Speaker 1: I like that, you know. But all in all, and
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about just from the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. I didn't see the push. I did not
Speaker 1: see I didn't see ends. I didn't see any pressure
Speaker 1: on quarterbacks things that we're looking for for our new guys.
Speaker 1: You know. I did see Darren's Armstrong set the edge
Speaker 1: a few times. Those were good, great things. Um. I
Speaker 1: saw our rookies with both Hannon he did some good
Speaker 1: things and then he did some bad things. But that's
Speaker 1: what you expect out of a rookie in preseason. I
Speaker 1: don't want to overreact about these things. But the things
Speaker 1: that I was looking for last night, the questions that
Speaker 1: I had, I just added another question mark my question
Speaker 1: because my questions still have questions, and I still want
Speaker 1: to know who and where is this team right now.
Speaker 1: But Danny, let me ask you, do you have the
Speaker 1: stats from last night so that we can at least
Speaker 1: deal with the numbers from what happened last night? Sure well,
Speaker 1: Cowboys finished with three points, obviously struggled in the red zone.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh sixteen total yards, Dallas three hundred and thirty one
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh two fifty rushing yards Dallas one oh nine Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: seventy six passing yards for the Cowboys, two hundred and
Speaker 1: forty nine one hundred and seventy four for Pittsburgh. Turnovers
Speaker 1: three for the Cowboys, one for the Steelers. Thirdy down
Speaker 1: third down conversion seven for sixteen for the Cowboys, five
Speaker 1: of thirteen for Pittsburgh. Time of possession thirty minutes five
Speaker 1: seconds for Dallas, twenty nine minutes forty eight seconds for Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: So I mean, these are stat lines that we've become
Speaker 1: used to, you know, dominate, not even dominating time of possession,
Speaker 1: but having stats that racking up the duet and not scoring,
Speaker 1: and then the turnover differential not going in our favor,
Speaker 1: and so you know, those little things. Again, heckmunk, don't overreact,
Speaker 1: talk yourself down. But I did see some good things.
Speaker 1: There was some players that I was able to look
Speaker 1: at and say, oh, yeah, that guy is somebody that
Speaker 1: we definitely definitely need to pay attention to. And that's
Speaker 1: Maurice Kennedy. I'll just start with him. Maurice Kennedy, to me,
Speaker 1: showed that if he had played last year then I
Speaker 1: understand he opted out for health reasons, had a baby
Speaker 1: and all of that, but if he had been on
Speaker 1: this roster last year, we might we might have seen
Speaker 1: some improvements from a defense that struggled mightily because of
Speaker 1: how tough he played last night. Anyone that you came
Speaker 1: away saying that this is my guy, I'm sorry real quick,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take the credit because you remember last week,
Speaker 1: earlier in the week, when we talked about a player
Speaker 1: that you know, maybe third or four string that could
Speaker 1: be making a push. My player was Maurice Kennedy. So
Speaker 1: now get your flowers, get your get your flowers. I
Speaker 1: love it. Get you. This is just how we're doing Friday.
Speaker 1: This is Friday. This, this is flowers Friday. You pick
Speaker 1: your own flowers a day. Where are we at players,
Speaker 1: players that that that you saw it last night that
Speaker 1: you were saying, hey, this is our guy. You know.
Speaker 1: I liked what I saw from Um from the cornerback
Speaker 1: na right. Um. I like what I saw from National.
Speaker 1: I like the way that he responded after giving up
Speaker 1: the big play. Um. I like his physicalness. He came up.
Speaker 1: It's not afraid to tackle. Right. He showed some some
Speaker 1: some physicality. I do think with him being such a
Speaker 1: large corner right, six foot three, six foot four, that
Speaker 1: transition right, that ability to turn and run. Now he
Speaker 1: once he gets going, he can stay with you. But
Speaker 1: when you have to deal, you're not gonna deal with
Speaker 1: a six foot five Chase Claypool every single week. You're
Speaker 1: gonna deal with some of those smaller, shiftier guys. So
Speaker 1: what happens when those guys turn the corner and get
Speaker 1: going and put the brakes on? Are you able to
Speaker 1: stop and transition, come back and make the tackle? And
Speaker 1: what happens when you go up against to Tom Brady
Speaker 1: and he knows that you are rookie and he knows
Speaker 1: the place that you struggle at and he attacks you
Speaker 1: every single time down the field? Right, where does your
Speaker 1: confidence go? Then? How do you respond on certain situations
Speaker 1: like that? So it was good to see him have
Speaker 1: the big play giving up against Claypool and then respond
Speaker 1: by still sticking his nose in there, coming up, making tackles,
Speaker 1: being physical, and he'll learn the growing pains will happen
Speaker 1: throughout the season. But he was another one that showed
Speaker 1: that you know what I'm hear me like, don't don't
Speaker 1: just forget about me. Don't write me off and say,
Speaker 1: oh Anthony Brown and say you know Kelvin Joseph and
Speaker 1: and and T Digs. But I'm in that mix too, offensively.
Speaker 1: Rico Dowell out of the backfield looked good, shifty, quick,
Speaker 1: which he's had in the past. I mean, he's not
Speaker 1: a rookie by any means, but I thought that he
Speaker 1: looked good and then kind of on the same page
Speaker 1: of National right of not necessarily a great start, but
Speaker 1: working through that mentally and physically and having a better
Speaker 1: finish to the game. Connor Williams after the starters came
Speaker 1: out after the first few snaps and centered entirely. Beotish
Speaker 1: was done for the game. They moved Williams from left
Speaker 1: guard to center, and they put Connor mcgoverned in at
Speaker 1: left guard. So now we've been seeing the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks at Connor Williams, which we've kind of been
Speaker 1: wondering the last couple of years. He's now getting those
Speaker 1: backup reps under as center, and he had a few
Speaker 1: errant snaps early on when that, you know, change happened,
Speaker 1: But then I thought he kind of got his footing
Speaker 1: played better after you know those few mental errors, physical errors, whatnot,
Speaker 1: and so kind of on that same realm of national right.
Speaker 1: I thought Connor Williams recovered well when he moved to center. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the guy that kind of stood up for me and
Speaker 1: the fact that I had. He wasn't on my radar
Speaker 1: at all. I didn't expect to see anything from him.
Speaker 1: Was this fullback all in Nulla or butcher and his name?
Speaker 1: I apologize, but he who would have thought he'd Paul
Speaker 1: in a seventeen yard reception and he had a couple
Speaker 1: of nice little blocks in there. Maybe he's making a
Speaker 1: case of cowboys or keep a fullback. I don't know
Speaker 1: his size, if he can do that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, the world beater, not necessarily, but he was
Speaker 1: a guy who had no clue. I mean I wasn't
Speaker 1: looking for him at all. I'm like, wow, where'd this
Speaker 1: come from? Kurt? That is a That is awesome that
Speaker 1: you picked him, because he was my second player on
Speaker 1: that list, because of that seventeen yard game that little
Speaker 1: will route Gilbert found him out of the backfield. You know,
Speaker 1: a guy that did great on special teams last night
Speaker 1: as well. So yeah, I mean, will they keep a
Speaker 1: fullback they hadn't in the past, but I think if
Speaker 1: he keeps making those strides and special teams, and you know,
Speaker 1: he would be a guy that I'd definitely be pulling
Speaker 1: for to make this make the fifty three. But also
Speaker 1: the questions about dan Quinn's defense. I know we kind
Speaker 1: of talked about this a little bit, but where's that.
Speaker 1: Were there any improvements for you guys that you saw
Speaker 1: last night, anything that you could point to this is
Speaker 1: I that wrinkle was a little different anything that you
Speaker 1: saw last night. I just see more of a combined
Speaker 1: speed to the football, Like they looked like they were
Speaker 1: running around flying physically. That that part stood out to
Speaker 1: me early on, especially when you had the guys in
Speaker 1: there and that first series when you had Jalen and
Speaker 1: you had Parsons in there. The speed it translated. It
Speaker 1: looked like they took that stuff from practice and was
Speaker 1: flying around to the football. And you know, honestly, defensively,
Speaker 1: when you're playing eleven guys to the football and you're
Speaker 1: playing with speed and you're playing with that verocity, you
Speaker 1: find the football and so like even Parsons fumble pick up,
Speaker 1: it's because you had a bunch of guys coming to
Speaker 1: the football, the football finds energy, right, and so if
Speaker 1: you're on the positive side of that and you're always
Speaker 1: in the right place because you got a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys coming to the football, good things happened to you.
Speaker 1: And I thought defensively, especially early on, I don't really
Speaker 1: want to get into the second half, when you know,
Speaker 1: things kind of went really downhill just with the players.
Speaker 1: But early on you were able to see that that
Speaker 1: energy just be something that was worried all that when
Speaker 1: the first team unit was out there, most of the
Speaker 1: first the starters, you're you're starting linebackers are in there.
Speaker 1: That Pittsburgh's first drive, they were kind of moving the
Speaker 1: ball and they it wasn't like a force fumble. They've
Speaker 1: muffed a you know, a handoff. I mean, was that
Speaker 1: concerning to you all at all? I only say no
Speaker 1: in the sense of, like, it's still so early in
Speaker 1: the preseason. Um, I'm not gonna say this necessarily true
Speaker 1: because I'm obviously not a player on that team, but
Speaker 1: I wondered too, Like, you know, I'm sure they have
Speaker 1: the same mentality for any game, but like it's it's
Speaker 1: still the Hall of Fame game. It's not even obviously
Speaker 1: every game is important for film and showing why you
Speaker 1: deserve to be on this roster, and I get that.
Speaker 1: I just think that it nothing of this of this
Speaker 1: game is really so pressing to me. Of like, let
Speaker 1: let's sound the alarm, like we need to start freaking out,
Speaker 1: Like sure, I think they have a better idea of improvement.
Speaker 1: What you're freaking out bringing out, I'm breaking out. And
Speaker 1: what I'm figured out about is just some of the
Speaker 1: back to depth. I don't see it. We need it,
Speaker 1: you know, guys that are gonna be coming in and
Speaker 1: these sub packages. I didn't see the penetration from you know,
Speaker 1: getting up the field, stopping the run, getting pressure on
Speaker 1: the quarterback. We had none of that. I mean they
Speaker 1: had their second and third guys and we had our
Speaker 1: second and third guys and competing against one another, and
Speaker 1: I still saw none of that. So I am, I am. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull pull back a little bit. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait on Saturday because I think Saturday we
Speaker 1: get more of an assessment of what our number ones
Speaker 1: are gonna do. Mean, while let me just say this
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot com, We're gonna have our guys
Speaker 1: down in Oxnard for the practice between the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: the Rams, and so guys please tune in for that
Speaker 1: because that's gonna be great competition battles going on. But
Speaker 1: I just didn't see it. I think I will be
Speaker 1: more concerned after the next preseason game against the Cardinals
Speaker 1: on Friday the third teenth, because let's let's at least
Speaker 1: give like the coaching staff. Maybe now they have a
Speaker 1: better idea of idea of what they need to focus on,
Speaker 1: maybe different drills or things. You know, now that they're
Speaker 1: not just going against their own teammates. You know, they're
Speaker 1: out and pads, they're they're playing full speed. I would
Speaker 1: say I will start to get a little more nervous
Speaker 1: if it doesn't look that much better after their next
Speaker 1: preseason game. And then again, I can't really ding a
Speaker 1: guy like you know, bohand like, oh, he's not giving
Speaker 1: what I need when I don't have the other guys
Speaker 1: around him. Like we people got so excited about Urban
Speaker 1: coming in, like, oh, man, he's been a great run stopper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but people failed to realize that Urban was probably a
Speaker 1: really good run stopper because they had to worry about
Speaker 1: this other guy on the Khalil Man. Yeah, that you know,
Speaker 1: it's like when you line up, you find out where
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack is at. Everybody like, you know, you break
Speaker 1: the huddle and you're looking around, where's where's fifty two?
Speaker 1: Let's find Khalil Mack. And so when you don't have
Speaker 1: those other guys around you that people have to worry about,
Speaker 1: they don't got to swing the rotation till there double
Speaker 1: that guy or do things differently. So now you're able
Speaker 1: to have more winnable matchups on a down and down basis.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm gonna say, like, just you can just
Speaker 1: come back in a little bit. Heck, you ain't gotta
Speaker 1: you ain't gotta pan them just yet. Now, if we
Speaker 1: got Randy Gregory out there, and we got a tank
Speaker 1: out there, and we got all the guys out there,
Speaker 1: and they're out there playing some you know, two, three,
Speaker 1: four or five series and it look don't look like
Speaker 1: it's supposed to. Look. Now, let's start having some patty,
Speaker 1: because these are the guys that we're actually going to,
Speaker 1: you know, going into the fire with come September. A
Speaker 1: lot of these guys on the roster now and the
Speaker 1: words like Magic Johnson. They ain't not gonna be there, right.
Speaker 1: But that's the hard thing because we're not even really
Speaker 1: going to get any sort of look of those players,
Speaker 1: those main starters coming off injury until the season opener, right,
Speaker 1: Like to Marcus Lawrence, We're not going to probably see
Speaker 1: a lot of Zach Martin or any more Tyrant Smith
Speaker 1: or Lyle Collins at this point in the game. So
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to kind of gauge and really,
Speaker 1: you know what the Cowboys are going into their season
Speaker 1: opener with, because we're not going to see those big
Speaker 1: starters that the offenses or defenses have to game plan for.
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Speaker 1: Here in the SWBC Mortgage Studios Peck Ma Harrison with
Speaker 1: Danny Serect, Jesse Holly and the great Kurt Daniels, and
Speaker 1: we have been going over all of the action from
Speaker 1: last night, and these guys have successfully talked me off
Speaker 1: of the ledge and I feel comfortable now. I have
Speaker 1: my blanket, and you know, Jesse is you know, just
Speaker 1: telling me heck my in abut okay, And I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: But but guys, I think something that's going to get
Speaker 1: my heart beat back. Racing is our next subject, and
Speaker 1: that is the backup quarterback position. So Kurt, since you're
Speaker 1: mister mellow yellow, you don't have a worried bowl in
Speaker 1: your body, let's just start with you, Kurt, tell me
Speaker 1: something good. Well, I guess I didn't. I didn't see
Speaker 1: as negative a picture as maybe Jesse did with Gilbert,
Speaker 1: but I obviously don't know the ins and outs of
Speaker 1: football technique and all that. I guess I'm still on
Speaker 1: the train of he's got to be better than someone
Speaker 1: on the street right now, and having that knowledge of
Speaker 1: the system and the players, having that kind of feel
Speaker 1: for him at this point is maybe better. And trying
Speaker 1: to find somebody else. Now that may be wrong, but
Speaker 1: I think I'm not ready to give up one him.
Speaker 1: The other guess the other two guys. Yeah, that's how
Speaker 1: I feel. I kind of agree with you, Kurt, and
Speaker 1: I kind of agreed with half of you, Jess in
Speaker 1: the sense of when you were saying the backup quarterback
Speaker 1: is not on this roster. I think Garret Gilbert will
Speaker 1: have a spot. Whether that's most likely too, I don't
Speaker 1: think they have their third stringer. I don't think, especially
Speaker 1: how many years. I mean, Cooper Rush was here with
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and then you know, the Cowboys brought him
Speaker 1: back last year, so he's had time here and Benda Nucci.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to be fair because he didn't
Speaker 1: get like a full assessment as a rookie last year,
Speaker 1: right like the offseason preseason games, you know, threw him
Speaker 1: into the fire last year. But he did not look
Speaker 1: any better this year than he did last year. So
Speaker 1: I am not confident at all in Cooper Rush or
Speaker 1: Benda Nucci. Heaven forbid, especially after what we saw last year.
Speaker 1: We have to go down that quarterback depth. And my
Speaker 1: biggest thing with the quarterbacks in the backup position is
Speaker 1: when I look at Gilbert Danus Rush, like, how many
Speaker 1: are you confident that if we had to go into
Speaker 1: the season that that Garrett Gilbert can win you two games?
Speaker 1: Are you confident in that? And that's my point. But
Speaker 1: I'm not confident in anybody. But that's my point. The
Speaker 1: guy that we have on this roster who's been here
Speaker 1: for some time, who's been under the tutelage of these coaches,
Speaker 1: that their coaches it's talk about. That's not like defense
Speaker 1: where the coaching changes. You've had the same coaches for
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. You've had the same offensive
Speaker 1: pointing for the last couple of years. This offense hasn't changed.
Speaker 1: And for you to not to take steps in a
Speaker 1: positive manner with the time that you spent here, that
Speaker 1: worries me. That worries me because it wasn't bad against
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh last year, so he might be able to get you, Well,
Speaker 1: he just paint against Pittsburgh. Let me just say this.
Speaker 1: And I can appreciate people being calm, calmer than the
Speaker 1: Hindu cow, but that's not me, right, I am not
Speaker 1: called right now. I was like they're saying, they don't happen,
Speaker 1: they are calmed, they don't have to worry about being
Speaker 1: eating because Hindus don't eat cow. Oh my god. When
Speaker 1: you have to explain the thing it does. It makes sense,
Speaker 1: but it makes sense now. But I promise you, I
Speaker 1: promise you. There are a ton of people who are
Speaker 1: listening who did not know, and you've helped us all.
Speaker 1: So that's him. He's comer than the Hindu cow in
Speaker 1: the pocket. And he doesn't have the clock internal clock
Speaker 1: that we football players know. It's one one thousand, two
Speaker 1: one thousand. Throw the ball. He's standing back there at
Speaker 1: four one thousand. Bro, If you are standing in the
Speaker 1: pocket at four one thousand, there's only one thing that's
Speaker 1: about to happen. That is a guy coming down on
Speaker 1: your neck. And you got to feel that. And there
Speaker 1: have been guys that have come to this league that
Speaker 1: that internal clock. They had to learn that, and they
Speaker 1: learn it the hard way. And if you get a
Speaker 1: rookie like you, guys for the Jets, guys for Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that they're gonna learn real quick.
Speaker 1: You don't have five seconds, so you don't have force.
Speaker 1: You may have had that in college, but you don't
Speaker 1: have that in the pros. And to me, Garret Gilbert,
Speaker 1: standing there, man, I screamed to the top of my lungs.
Speaker 1: When when Brandon Knight missed that block, I'm like, he's
Speaker 1: going to die. This guy's coming and he doesn't feel
Speaker 1: the pressure. And I just didn't see the anticipation for
Speaker 1: his throws. M I saw a lot of late passes,
Speaker 1: a lot of balls being thrown behind, not only from him,
Speaker 1: but all of those guys. And again, you you bring
Speaker 1: up the point that they've been in the system, they've
Speaker 1: got an opportunity to delve into it and know exactly
Speaker 1: where guys are going to be. The coverage last night
Speaker 1: was as vanilla as it possibly could be. And you
Speaker 1: still can't throw guys open. You don't have touch, you
Speaker 1: don't have decision making, isn't there. That is what I
Speaker 1: have a problem with at the backup quarterback position. And
Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, look, let's I don't even like
Speaker 1: RG three, he's past his prime, but he's better than
Speaker 1: these guys. Well, that was my question, is like, if
Speaker 1: you don't want to bring in, you don't want to
Speaker 1: wait for teams to start to cut down their roster
Speaker 1: and then you bring another quarterback and then you're having
Speaker 1: to start over with someone. So is the only option
Speaker 1: to fix this to do what the Cowboys did last
Speaker 1: year with Andy Dalton, where you are bringing in a
Speaker 1: true experienced veteran and you're just gonna have to pay
Speaker 1: him some money and they'll be your backup Marcus Mariota
Speaker 1: or someone that you sleep at night, because right now
Speaker 1: you cannot be sleeping knowing that if something were to
Speaker 1: happen to that that Garrett Gilbert is the guys that
Speaker 1: something has already happened to that and not to my point,
Speaker 1: because the shoulder and hence the freak out and Troy
Speaker 1: and Troy Aitman said this last night. Troy Aitman mentioned
Speaker 1: this on the Thing last nights. I know people were saying,
Speaker 1: you know, not to worry about this, but I'm worried
Speaker 1: about that, like I am. I personally, Jesse Holly am
Speaker 1: worried about There's been talked at the training staff have
Speaker 1: reached out to the Texas Rangers to ask about some
Speaker 1: of these shoulder things that are happening, you know, because
Speaker 1: it seemed like it's a it's it's uncommon kind of
Speaker 1: a football thing. More, it happens a lot in baseball
Speaker 1: with pitchers and stuff like that. So that begins to
Speaker 1: tell me and then you I told you this guy's
Speaker 1: last week. You tell me a few days. I'll give
Speaker 1: you a few days. They at the end of the
Speaker 1: few days, you tell me, give me, give me a
Speaker 1: few weeks. Then you tell me at the end of
Speaker 1: that that, you know what, he's not gonna throw for
Speaker 1: a while, tea. This is not fatigue. This is not fatigue.
Speaker 1: Fellas fatigue. You give it to day's a couple of
Speaker 1: day rest, you I set you stimm it, you missalogy,
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do, and you get them back
Speaker 1: out there. Now, this is this is an organization that
Speaker 1: when it's come to telling us all the truth about
Speaker 1: certain injuries, we don't get that right. It was the
Speaker 1: next thing or last year with u LVEE. Turns out
Speaker 1: you need a whole next surgery. Right. So it's it's
Speaker 1: these things that keep coming up when it comes to
Speaker 1: the medical part of things, and they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: well he's out there practicing. If he was really that serious,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be practicing. And I'm just saying, if we
Speaker 1: come to a point where they're saying, you know what,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little bit longer. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go into the beginning of the year with Garrett
Speaker 1: Gilbert d Nucci rush against Tom Brady. Don't don't even
Speaker 1: give me the picture of that, because what I'm saying
Speaker 1: right now, let's let's let's let's figure this out right now,
Speaker 1: we know the problem that we have. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't like any the guy that I just mentioned,
Speaker 1: not a fan of his, but I know he's better
Speaker 1: than these guys. I even heard someone say Philip Rivers' name, Okay,
Speaker 1: better than these guys. I'm look, we saw last year
Speaker 1: still out there. He's like we saw last year that
Speaker 1: when you're when dad goes down, and if you're expecting
Speaker 1: to compete in the NFC East, where we still had
Speaker 1: a chance with as bad as we were all the
Speaker 1: way up into the end, we have to find a
Speaker 1: quarterback that can get us some victories. We were able
Speaker 1: to get that with Andy Dalton, all right, he was
Speaker 1: he was serviceable enough to stick to the game plan
Speaker 1: and win us a game. I do not believe that
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert can do that. I mean, God bless him,
Speaker 1: and I hope that in Arizona he comes out and
Speaker 1: he wears it out and we're like, whoa doble ge,
Speaker 1: we got it. You know it's just hey man, it's
Speaker 1: just the first game, Jitters. I just don't see it
Speaker 1: right now. I don't see it from Cooper Rush either, No,
Speaker 1: I don't. Definitely. To me, Rush is one of those
Speaker 1: guys that's been in the system and just hasn't gotten
Speaker 1: any better. We've kind of seen his But you know what,
Speaker 1: I know who can answer all of this for us.
Speaker 1: We got him on the line. Nate Newton helped us.
Speaker 1: Nate he blocks for a little bit of a quarterback
Speaker 1: at one point time in his life. A little bit
Speaker 1: nates you there, and typical, in typical fashion, his would
Speaker 1: his screen would freeze up as we get Nate line
Speaker 1: here on Haggy with the boys. But going back to
Speaker 1: this conversation, that's that's literally where I am right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Cooper Rush, you know, look, maybe
Speaker 1: needs to look some more reps, maybe a second half,
Speaker 1: and it's between him and Garrett Gilbert. Just give these
Speaker 1: guys a half and evaluate him and the Cowboys win,
Speaker 1: no matter who's that quarterback? A text, No man, I
Speaker 1: can pay I mean, I just know there's anybody on
Speaker 1: this show. But did we get a fair assessment of that?
Speaker 1: An answer to that question with the offensive line, and
Speaker 1: now we're out there, you need if you had an
Speaker 1: healthy offensive line, Tren and Zach Martin out there with
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins. Wait a minute, let me ask this. The
Speaker 1: guys that you had out there last night, well, the
Speaker 1: guys that played the entire season for you at tackle,
Speaker 1: Could somebody please tell Brandon Knight to wink one time
Speaker 1: if he's okay, wink twice if he needs us to
Speaker 1: call nine one one because you're freaking out again. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I am. Let me bring it down, Brandon Knight. Did
Speaker 1: anybody get a beat on? What's up with Brandon Knight?
Speaker 1: I was just him and Terrence Steel outside. I was
Speaker 1: surprised to see them struggle as much as they did
Speaker 1: because of how much experience they got last season filling
Speaker 1: in for Tyron Smith and Lyle Collins. I was not impressed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if that's the one position that out of
Speaker 1: last night that I would have the most concern about,
Speaker 1: it's at swing tackle because neither one of those two
Speaker 1: or the second really should much at all. And now
Speaker 1: we see a lot of times while in practice, you
Speaker 1: see all this movement on the offensive line. You got guys, Hey,
Speaker 1: you can play a little center, have you play a
Speaker 1: little guard, you play because they are unsure and and
Speaker 1: and last night put it on display that well, we
Speaker 1: cannot afford to lose a starter. And we've said this
Speaker 1: for the last couple of years, especially on Austrial Kurt.
Speaker 1: You can almost put in the books two or three
Speaker 1: games for Tyrn Smith, like it's not an if but
Speaker 1: a win. I know, I know, he said, but his
Speaker 1: history has said when it comes to Tyland Smith, two
Speaker 1: to three games, book them just get you. We don't
Speaker 1: know when, but we know what's coming. And so in
Speaker 1: that time frame you're always hope and pray that it
Speaker 1: doesn't come. It Maybe it comes during that stretch where
Speaker 1: we're kind of like, you know, a little bit more
Speaker 1: dominant teams that we're playing opposed to come out to
Speaker 1: be like, you know what, we might need our Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl left tackle you know, out there and not having
Speaker 1: God shift around. So we can't afford and most teams can't.
Speaker 1: But we really cannot afford to lose a guy for
Speaker 1: any significant amount of time with our offensive line, because
Speaker 1: we saw it last night. And that's the thing about
Speaker 1: offensive line, it's very clear cut. It's very clear cut. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't need all these other guys around me to
Speaker 1: block the guy in front of me. Cannot block the
Speaker 1: guy in front of me. If that's a yes, that's
Speaker 1: a no, then then that's very clear. It's not like
Speaker 1: a receiver what you're saying, like, Well, the line didn't block,
Speaker 1: so the quarterback didn't have time, didn't get my time,
Speaker 1: my ute time to develop, so I didn't get the ball.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of holler to evaluate my my what
Speaker 1: I'm able to do. Offensive lineman is hey, especially in
Speaker 1: the preseason, because it's so vanilla. It's the guy lining
Speaker 1: up in front of me. It is probably gonna come forward,
Speaker 1: and I need to do a better job than blocking them.
Speaker 1: And we saw it last night that that wasn't something
Speaker 1: that was done at a high rate on our offensive line.
Speaker 1: I fought the college football game for this problem? Is
Speaker 1: that offensive line I do I'm delving into I'm going
Speaker 1: d because Cuba, the spread, the spread offense is hurting
Speaker 1: offensive linemen. They're just not able to develop. The ability
Speaker 1: to fire off the ball is not in the running game,
Speaker 1: guys in the passing game. I'm just watching Brandon Night
Speaker 1: last night, man to man, and this isn't t J Watt,
Speaker 1: this isn't any of the other guys that this is
Speaker 1: a third string guy blowing by him. And you know,
Speaker 1: if again, if what you're saying is true that Tymon
Speaker 1: Smith will eventually miss some time, I do not want
Speaker 1: to see sixty eight at left tackle with my one
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars two hundred million dollars quarterback standing back there.
Speaker 1: I guess value the work that was done last year
Speaker 1: more than just what was done in a handful of
Speaker 1: snaps last night. Okay, not that last year was MVP worthy,
Speaker 1: but at least you saw, I mean, ter Scott got
Speaker 1: better as the season went along and Night had his moments.
Speaker 1: So that's my hope I guess is that you know,
Speaker 1: the Secy was good for the Bill with Bills last
Speaker 1: year and sow So yeah, no, I just like I said,
Speaker 1: that's I am as worried about other positions like this
Speaker 1: offensive line group to me, like you said, has to
Speaker 1: stay healthy. Tyren Smith can't take those. If it's gonna
Speaker 1: be like the veteran day off game off deal, that
Speaker 1: may be the game that we don't didn't need him
Speaker 1: to actually take off. And the one thing I've always
Speaker 1: said about this this team, and I've said this four years,
Speaker 1: even back in the Jason Garrett era. I feel like
Speaker 1: we're the only team in the league who can't afford
Speaker 1: to lose a player. And I'm not talking quarterback, because
Speaker 1: most team in the league, you lose just starting quarterback,
Speaker 1: you're done. But it's always seemed like if we lose
Speaker 1: one guy, we're done. Like we had time when it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Sean Lee goes out, we can't play
Speaker 1: defense anymore. Like the development part for me has always
Speaker 1: been an issue of saying, Man, a lot of teams
Speaker 1: in this league have tons of success when they lose
Speaker 1: quote unquote valuable guys that anywhere on their football team.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to the Cowboys, when we lose
Speaker 1: a guy not quarterback, um that we just all of
Speaker 1: a sudden can't function properly. Well, we got a guy
Speaker 1: that we can't function properly without. He can't function properly,
Speaker 1: cannot function properly without Nate knew Nate where yet man
Speaker 1: oh Man just left Pasadena. Man, I apologize greatly for
Speaker 1: my bad connections. I had to go into my bag
Speaker 1: of tricks man and put out a hot spot. So
Speaker 1: because I truly want to be connected to you guys. Man,
Speaker 1: I want to be that blocker for you. Jess. How
Speaker 1: was that breakfast burrito? How was that breakfast burrito? It
Speaker 1: was great, man, It was a difference maker. Man, it
Speaker 1: was a different man. We stopped the top, say in Pasadeno, Man,
Speaker 1: just going on our way to go San Diego. Man. Wow, Man,
Speaker 1: I took it out my wife hand. She was eating it.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden that thing with the smell
Speaker 1: into the hoggett the hoggate had the route bron NYE.
Speaker 1: Tell me about what you saw last night, guys. Man,
Speaker 1: oh man, it's two things I want to address. Man.
Speaker 1: Is uh number ninety nine who played sparingly Hammerton Hamilton
Speaker 1: number ninety eight uh Bohannon and number and number seventy
Speaker 1: five the defensive line the young draft pick. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: guys played well. The problem you know, when they tried
Speaker 1: to run the ball, they couldn't get none up the middle.
Speaker 1: They got a little four yard touchdown, you know, and
Speaker 1: even by Hannah was on that plane, he just missed
Speaker 1: the tackle. So but on the outside, on the outside
Speaker 1: is where they got us. So we gotta set the
Speaker 1: edge a little bit better. But more important, I just
Speaker 1: want to talk about this quarterback situation. And I've talked
Speaker 1: to several people in camp man reporters such as ourselves
Speaker 1: and analysts, and I've talked to a few coaches. Man, Uh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna give yel but every opportunity to try to
Speaker 1: show that he's the quarterback. But that first sack down
Speaker 1: there in the red zone, that was on him. It
Speaker 1: was a three step drop and he didn't get rid
Speaker 1: of the ball. You should know that as a quarterback,
Speaker 1: especially going into your second year, you can't hold the ball.
Speaker 1: Then later on in the next drive, he did the
Speaker 1: same thing. You get into the red zone, you hold
Speaker 1: the ball. Nisky is the swing tackle number seventy nine,
Speaker 1: who's getting the first shot at the swing tackle? Dog. Now,
Speaker 1: the first time it wasn't his fault. Guy got on
Speaker 1: any side he try to quarterbacks should have been got
Speaker 1: rid of the ball. The second time it was his
Speaker 1: fault where the quarterback was rushed and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now you got interceptions and you can't have that. You
Speaker 1: can't have that, and our offensive line is gonna be
Speaker 1: okay with the guys that were in there. We needed
Speaker 1: to see a little bit of Lyell. We needed to
Speaker 1: see a little bit of the center. We needed to
Speaker 1: see a litt bit of the left guard at center.
Speaker 1: So these guys did. Okay. Yes, the run game suffered
Speaker 1: in the end and at the beginning, But the question
Speaker 1: still remains, how confident are the coaching staff, head coach,
Speaker 1: offensive coordinating quarterback coach about this backup quarterback? This thing is?
Speaker 1: And I know it's the first preseason game. Don't panic.
Speaker 1: Let everybody get their feed in the ground. But you
Speaker 1: don't get a chance to get your feed in the
Speaker 1: ground when you got a team that has keeps saying
Speaker 1: for the last three years, we're at the doorstep of success,
Speaker 1: We're at the doorstep of NFC championship games. We're at
Speaker 1: the doorstep if you lose that for any amount of time,
Speaker 1: which I agree with you, guys, I listened to you.
Speaker 1: You cannot continue to tell us as fans that there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong when your history shows that every time you
Speaker 1: say there's nothing wrong, there seem to be major incidents
Speaker 1: going on. So tell us the truth as fans so
Speaker 1: we would know what's going on along with you, and
Speaker 1: we can temper our expectations. Nick, you said that the
Speaker 1: offensive line and will be fine. And when you say that,
Speaker 1: I assume that you're speaking of the Tirings of the
Speaker 1: worlds and the Zack Martins of the worlds and a
Speaker 1: lot of the the kinds of the world. But what happens
Speaker 1: to that offensive line if and when one of those
Speaker 1: guys go down, Because we see in the preseason a
Speaker 1: lot of times you see what the depth of your
Speaker 1: team is going to look like. And if the depth
Speaker 1: of our offensive line was on display last night, I
Speaker 1: helped me be as confident as you are in that
Speaker 1: being okay. Lyell looked okay, the center looked okay, and
Speaker 1: the left guard looked okay. That's that's my concern right now,
Speaker 1: is that those three guys get through. And I've said
Speaker 1: last year, Jesse, that if we can get Lyall and
Speaker 1: Zack Martin healthy the three games out of the year,
Speaker 1: I mean for sixteen games out of the year, we
Speaker 1: can always cover Tyron. It's easy to cover one spot
Speaker 1: being any position except center. Then the next importance is
Speaker 1: left tackle. But we can cover one position one side
Speaker 1: of the field with other things that we can do
Speaker 1: as an offense. But you can't have three of these guys.
Speaker 1: And I think Lyle did a nice job last night.
Speaker 1: I think your center did a nice job last night.
Speaker 1: And your left guard those complete with Tyron and Zach,
Speaker 1: those are gonna be the guys that's gonna be in there.
Speaker 1: The first drive was okay, the second driver is okay.
Speaker 1: But the quarterback cannot hold the ball or not expectingly
Speaker 1: on the three step drop, even as a five steps drop.
Speaker 1: He said, okay, he may have seen something, but on
Speaker 1: three steps drops bam, bam bam and goom. He did
Speaker 1: not give us that. Last night. He showed indecision man
Speaker 1: where it should be simple plays. Throw the ball, throw
Speaker 1: it away, a thought to somebody. Yeah, but we were
Speaker 1: discussing earlier that, yeah, we'd all love to have Jack
Speaker 1: Martin and Lyle Collins and Aaron Smith you know, available
Speaker 1: all sixteen games, but seventeen now, yeah, seventeen. But you know,
Speaker 1: swing tackle made us a little nervous last night because
Speaker 1: still night the second none of those guys really stood out.
Speaker 1: What did you think as far as the depth, are
Speaker 1: we in a little bit of trouble there? No, I
Speaker 1: just want to see once the season start. And I
Speaker 1: hate to say that because you expect better from you,
Speaker 1: from from Nisaki. He's he's he's been in league, he's
Speaker 1: a veteran, and so we pray we don't use him.
Speaker 1: But last night, you know, it didn't look good due
Speaker 1: to the fact that he gave up with two inside
Speaker 1: moves and the quarterback hell of the ball, which made
Speaker 1: it even look even worse for him. So and still
Speaker 1: has to play stronger. His body looks different, he looks different,
Speaker 1: but he has to play stronger. He's he's not a
Speaker 1: physically strong guy. And none of our backups or what
Speaker 1: you call physically strong, nobody but mcgovernor. But he Governor
Speaker 1: is a guard center guy. You know, we need some
Speaker 1: guys that are physical and strong, so once they get
Speaker 1: their hands on you, they can hold They can hold tight.
Speaker 1: But that was the problem last night. They looked at
Speaker 1: decent run blocking, but when it comes to pass blocking,
Speaker 1: especially third down situations, we seem like we're not strong
Speaker 1: and we're not setting firm with all positive steps and
Speaker 1: good hand placement. Well, Nate man, We hey, look man,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you calling in and joining your show here
Speaker 1: and hanging with the boys. I know we got you
Speaker 1: on the side of the highway showing that professionalism got
Speaker 1: you a hot spot and everything. Man, you've been posting
Speaker 1: on Facebook and social media. How miss Newton down there
Speaker 1: breaking your RUC story. Mischelle, Hey man, she got on
Speaker 1: the lady bug sunglasses. Man, we're loving y'all. Man, y'all
Speaker 1: be good. Man, y'all having a great show, and y'all
Speaker 1: doing a excellent job. I was listening even though I
Speaker 1: couldn't get in. Y'all are on the right track. Man,
Speaker 1: backup quarterback. But I'm telling you my two boys in
Speaker 1: the middle, seventy five, ninety eight and ninety nine, they
Speaker 1: did all right last night. That is a positive. Trust
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the SWBC Mortgage Studios. This is hanging
Speaker 1: with the boys and guys we've been going into last
Speaker 1: night's game at wait a minute, I'm joining by Kurt Daniels,
Speaker 1: Jesse Holly and Danny Serec Danny, I'm new to this.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get it all. Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 1: It's hard because earlier in the week I was Kurt
Speaker 1: and now I'm Isaiah. She's like moving around. But we're
Speaker 1: back and we're talking. Just got off the line with Nate.
Speaker 1: Nate pulled onto the media to talk to us and
Speaker 1: pull out the hot spot, so we appreciate him for that.
Speaker 1: Nate said he won't panic about the swing tackle position
Speaker 1: until the season starts. UH That made me take another terms.
Speaker 1: But you know, look, I think aside from all of that,
Speaker 1: guys we have you know, look, we've we've gotten an
Speaker 1: assessment of what we saw last night, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, we all think we'll know that there's going
Speaker 1: to be uh an improvement to make. But usually at
Speaker 1: the start of the third segment we do a what
Speaker 1: the heck and I'm going to give my what the
Speaker 1: heck over to Kurt Daniel Are okay, Um, I guess
Speaker 1: my what the heck involves the scrimmage tomorrow. Maybe it's physical,
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not part of my what the heck is?
Speaker 1: There were sixteen so guys that didn't make the trip
Speaker 1: to Canton, but you took other guys. You took Donovan Wilson,
Speaker 1: you took Zeke, you took Cede Lamb, you took Trevon
Speaker 1: dig you took Randy Gregor. You took these guys you
Speaker 1: knew weren't going to play, put them on a five
Speaker 1: hour flight, another hour bus ride to la another bus
Speaker 1: ride to Canton, and then back again. You get back
Speaker 1: four Mickey said. They got back at five am last night.
Speaker 1: Now you got to turn around in less than what
Speaker 1: twenty four less than forty eight hours? Whatever? In face,
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, you're gonna bang against those guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised the players Union didn't say, hey,
Speaker 1: this isn't right. I mean it just if you want
Speaker 1: to keep your guys healthy and you want to get
Speaker 1: them ready for the season, I don't quite understand the
Speaker 1: logistics of why you did some of this and set
Speaker 1: it up. That's a good point. And in the break
Speaker 1: we were talking about what to expect in the Cowboys
Speaker 1: Ram scribbage, which will be Dallas Cowboys dot Com five
Speaker 1: pm Central Standard time for everyone who wants to watch.
Speaker 1: We were talking in the break about how physical we
Speaker 1: expect this to be. Are we going to see more
Speaker 1: of the starters that we didn't see a lot of
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame preseason game? You know how
Speaker 1: physical is it going to get? And at first I
Speaker 1: was like, I want to see some physicality. I want
Speaker 1: to see our ones against their ones. And then Jesse
Speaker 1: brought me back down and he said, do you really
Speaker 1: want to see Aaron Donald go full on against Tyler
Speaker 1: Botas And I said, maybe not. And there'll be some
Speaker 1: physicality just by being out there. They wear yellow and blue,
Speaker 1: we wear blue and white. So just because I'm a man,
Speaker 1: you're a man, and we don't play for the same team,
Speaker 1: there's going to be a level of physicality that's out there.
Speaker 1: But being that, what makes this different from the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame game is coaches are able to control it.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a controlled atmosphere meaning you're not
Speaker 1: going to see You're probably not gonna see, hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go fifteen straight players with ones verse ones, and
Speaker 1: it'll probably say, hey, we may have fifteen plays in
Speaker 1: this period, and you may see the ones goes one,
Speaker 1: you know, the first three or four, then you'll see
Speaker 1: the backups, and then you'll see the third, and then
Speaker 1: you'll probably get back to the ones again for the
Speaker 1: last three or four plays. But it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: an all out, you know, section this off and we're
Speaker 1: gonna go like we're in a natural game, right You're
Speaker 1: gonna have moments in the period where you know, normally
Speaker 1: you go down and you'll see running backs and linebackers work,
Speaker 1: but this time it will be our running backs first
Speaker 1: their linebackers, and then our linebackers verse their running backs
Speaker 1: in the controlled atmosphere. And I think that's why you'll
Speaker 1: see you know why coaches help some of those starters
Speaker 1: back from not playing, because now they know that they
Speaker 1: get a chance to get some real solid work this
Speaker 1: weekend with this team, but under a controlled atmosphere because
Speaker 1: you can't control them. You can't control the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame game, right you just that's a real game. You
Speaker 1: there's no whistles being blown, coaches aren't on the field, can't.
Speaker 1: We can't repeat it. But practice I can repeat it.
Speaker 1: I can set the tempo, I can set the parameters
Speaker 1: of how we want to do things with this other
Speaker 1: football team. So it'll be physical just by osmosis, right,
Speaker 1: just by being out there next to one another. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be physical. But as far as in the full out,
Speaker 1: all out scrimmage, yeah, I don't. Wasn't there a big
Speaker 1: brawl a couple of years ago and the a major
Speaker 1: raw Fisher team, right, Yeah, Mike McCarthy, I'm not even
Speaker 1: gonna dig into that. But Mike McCarthy also talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, making sure that this team got the quality
Speaker 1: of reps that they needed in the scrimmage and it
Speaker 1: being controlled, and like you said, Kurt, and I think
Speaker 1: that's very important. To bring up a point of the
Speaker 1: team coming off on the twenty four hour turn around
Speaker 1: and then having the rams come in. I think they
Speaker 1: maybe work some half line stuff, like you said, linebackers
Speaker 1: verse running backs things like that versus the ones. Really,
Speaker 1: I think with the receiving corps and what you've alluded
Speaker 1: to before is just kind of a seven on seven
Speaker 1: kind of a matchup to get our guys one. You know,
Speaker 1: that's what I think everybody wants to see. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be the highlight. But even that, you know, like you said, um, like,
Speaker 1: if I'm Randy Gregory, like, why did you drag me
Speaker 1: to Canton on this huge trip and get me home
Speaker 1: at five in the morning when I got to turn
Speaker 1: around and face Lineman or even a guy like Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: He obviously needed the work at Center and it was
Speaker 1: important that he go to Canton and play. But now
Speaker 1: he's got to turn around and face Aaron Donald right away.
Speaker 1: I mean, and there's nothing easy about that, no matter
Speaker 1: if it's controlled or not. So I don't know. To me,
Speaker 1: it's just it's a nod. I hope that everybody comes
Speaker 1: out healthy. Obviously. I hope they make progress. It's it's
Speaker 1: what they want to, you know. I hope they get
Speaker 1: out of it what they want. But but but now, Kurt, Now,
Speaker 1: now let's let's like, well, I know that they're all professionals,
Speaker 1: but let's be honest, Kurt, I don't think we have
Speaker 1: enough people that we could have left behind The watch
Speaker 1: sixteen to twenty guys do the right thing. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I know that anyone in particular Baron saying you
Speaker 1: gotta ride with me to the store. You can't stay
Speaker 1: here with you Others, Oh my god, I don't bring
Speaker 1: that about you. I don't know if that we have
Speaker 1: enough security and enough people that was left behind to
Speaker 1: watch twenty guys because you know, Zeke wasn't playing, So
Speaker 1: why they take guys twenty guys Like that's a lot.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like you know, I know Dak stayed behind
Speaker 1: for some treatment purposes and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: But you know, in the quarterback, you kind of like
Speaker 1: almost trust a little bit, and you kind of quarterback
Speaker 1: don't actually get treated like the rest of us get treated. There.
Speaker 1: It's always like the Jimmy Johnson thing, like everyone gets treated,
Speaker 1: uh fairly, but everybody gets treated the saying I want
Speaker 1: to treat fairly. However, that saying goes twenty guys, Kurt,
Speaker 1: who have who have been in lockdown and training camp.
Speaker 1: I told you the camp. It's at some point time
Speaker 1: you got to say, you know what, guys, how about yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: just come with us, Yeah, come on, because there will
Speaker 1: be a guy that's been like, y'all listen while he's here,
Speaker 1: come around the building. The light gonna be flashing on
Speaker 1: the porch. That's the room show the last So thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you for your Why you take all these guys?
Speaker 1: You just can't leave twenty guys behind. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying with the campos and you know, you know
Speaker 1: my staying on our show football you might have a
Speaker 1: little bit of that at the residence is so Kurt.
Speaker 1: This is what what the heck is all about? Thank
Speaker 1: you for coming up with that quality. What the heck?
Speaker 1: But my last question for you, guys, last question. Even
Speaker 1: in the first half, we had red zone woes. We're
Speaker 1: not able to get into all these numbers. We get
Speaker 1: all the way down there and we cannot punch our ticket.
Speaker 1: We cannot get six points. Guys, and Danny, I'll start
Speaker 1: with you on this question. What is it? Is it
Speaker 1: the system? What's going on? Why do we keep having
Speaker 1: to relive this reality in the red zone? It almost
Speaker 1: felt like we were watching last year all over again,
Speaker 1: like no time had passed whatsoever. Um, it's frustrating. I
Speaker 1: don't think there is an excuse for that. Gonna give
Speaker 1: an excuse for that, I will say the only thing
Speaker 1: that brings me some solace is even though we weren't
Speaker 1: seeing Zeke, like, we weren't seeing a lot of Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard and a lot of those other guys who are
Speaker 1: those second string players who we know we can rely on. However,
Speaker 1: they struggled last year, and so I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any excuse as to why they weren't able to score
Speaker 1: at all any touchdowns whatsoever in that game. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna let them go on a free pass. But again,
Speaker 1: I'm on that same same idea that give me one
Speaker 1: more game, Arizona game, and then I feel like I'll
Speaker 1: have a better assessment of what is truly a concern
Speaker 1: and what is just getting off the rust and putting
Speaker 1: the scheme out on the field. Red zone is fifty
Speaker 1: percent player, all right, fifty percent Jimmy and Joe, fifty
Speaker 1: percent X and O like, that's what red zone becomes.
Speaker 1: And a lot of it becomes that the quarters are
Speaker 1: so condensed, you don't have that you have the back
Speaker 1: end line, so you're not delivering the ball down the field.
Speaker 1: Windows open and close a lot faster. Things happen at
Speaker 1: a much faster rate. In the red zone. And so
Speaker 1: a lot of it is being able to call the
Speaker 1: right plays at the right time. And then another half
Speaker 1: of it is I just gotta have guys who are better.
Speaker 1: I have to have guys who are better in the
Speaker 1: red zone. When you look at the teams who are
Speaker 1: successful in the red zone, it's a lot of their
Speaker 1: good guys who are able to make splits, split second decisions,
Speaker 1: and to make plays in tight quarters. And so that's
Speaker 1: where it's. It's a great marriage of xs and o's
Speaker 1: and Jimmy's and Joe's in the red zone. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it last year was had to
Speaker 1: do with, of course we're not us not having our quarterback,
Speaker 1: but also us not calling the right plays. We'll sometimes
Speaker 1: get down and he's like, I know, we're not going
Speaker 1: jumbo package right now, and then we go jumbo package
Speaker 1: and then it doesn't. It gets stifled and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: here's what we should really be going four why. So
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's that marriage of having the right
Speaker 1: players and then having the right personnel to execute it
Speaker 1: in the red zone because everything happens at a much
Speaker 1: much much faster pace, at a faster rate, and you
Speaker 1: have to be much more precise because you don't have
Speaker 1: the margin of the rest of the field behind you
Speaker 1: to work with, because you're going to run out the
Speaker 1: back of the end zone. Yeah, I agree. I'm trying
Speaker 1: not to get too panicky about it or freak out
Speaker 1: in any way about it, just because of that reason
Speaker 1: that you know, they maybe they didn't necessarily game plan
Speaker 1: obviously for what they would do in the red zone
Speaker 1: against that particular team. And there's a big difference again,
Speaker 1: like we've said, between Garrett Gilbert and Dak Prescott behind there.
Speaker 1: So I'm waiting for another game. I guess I'm trying.
Speaker 1: Maybe I am getting this side of the table is
Speaker 1: a little more calm, more optimistic. But if there's something
Speaker 1: that a coach can go back and look on, Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: take a look at yourself. Right, you had red zone.
Speaker 1: You've had red zone walls for the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just last year and the year before that
Speaker 1: when you had a healthy Dak Prescott. So for Kelly Moore,
Speaker 1: you got to go ahead and look at yourself and
Speaker 1: look at the man in the mirror as well, and
Speaker 1: say let's make that change. Get your Michael Jackson on
Speaker 1: my brother, look at the man in the mirror and
Speaker 1: make that change. I like that, and so look that's
Speaker 1: we're gonna make a change too. And guys, I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1: Thank y'all for talking me down today. Uh my freak
Speaker 1: out session has ended. I think it's it's on. It's on,
Speaker 1: two freakout sessions and we're on to Arizona on Friday.
Speaker 1: More assessments, more evaluations to go. But we got one down,
Speaker 1: three more to go, and we're praying for health and
Speaker 1: for Danny Serek, for Jesse Holly and for Kurt Daniels.
Speaker 1: What's our schedule next week? I'm sorry, you know I
Speaker 1: will leave that. The schedule next week is Tuesday and Thursday,
Speaker 1: but I could be wrong. Just keep Tuesday and Thursday
Speaker 1: of next week. I can I do my thing, do
Speaker 1: your things. I'm sorry, Cowboy Nation. I hope your team wins.
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