1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Who's that knocking on your door? Trick 4 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: or treating? 5 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: Why? 6 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: It's us with our super producer, mister Max Williams. 7 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: Who's that girl? La? La La? It's Max Williams. Who's 8 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: that Max? Two hands Williams haven't? That's right? You were 9 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: a hand down. 10 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: I got cleared by the orthopedic surgeon yesterday to begin 11 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 3: weightlifting again. 12 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: All right, that's no old brack, your swollen state, that's 13 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: no brown. 14 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 1: I'm Ben Bowlin. Sad news for you. Max, you're also 15 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: our research associate on this episode. That's not the sad news. 16 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: The sad news is I went through a phase where 17 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: I wrote nicknames for all our co workers and Matt 18 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: Twohans Frederick. 19 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean since he's my work big brother, 20 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 3: so I think we'd share, like you know, nicknames. 21 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: That's not nicknames. It's a little confusing. We might have 22 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: to workshop this one, Max. 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 1: Well, let's workshop Candy, because cast your memories back. Fellow 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Historians. We are a very pro Halloween bunch, and 25 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: we had a lot of opinions about Halloween candy in 26 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: a previous episode, and I don't know whether we'll play 27 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: a clip or not, but in classic ridiculous history fashion, 28 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: far after that conversation during Halloween, we are returning to 29 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: you with some opinions about candy. Now, to be fair, 30 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: we are a history show, so we will explore history 31 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: of candy. But we just want you to know going 32 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: into this. 33 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 2: We get a lot of hot takes nostalgia candy. The 34 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 2: nostalgia candy scene is rife with garbage candy, although there's 35 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 2: there's a few gems you know, hidden within the rough, right, 36 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 2: isn't that how it goes? Can I tell you guys that? 37 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 3: So we started writing this brief back last year, and 38 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: around that time I bought my dad an entire this 39 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: is the only wee you can buy neck A wafers 40 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: now like wafers, the chocolate, the selection and a shirt. 41 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: It was like one hundred dollars. He loved it. He's 42 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: beyond like happy about it. 43 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: But it's like, man, I would have the father, who 44 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 3: was a passionate defender of neck A wafers and. 45 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: Grape necko wafers to me to strike me as like 46 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: wartime candy. Yeah, like they're Halloween hard tags. 47 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 3: And I just want to point out that we are 48 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 3: going to talk about a candy today that was both 49 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: a depression era and a wartime rationing candy. 50 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, literally in their history. So it's true. Yeah, and 51 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: that's why they stick around. It also reminds me for 52 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: our friends further south, it reminds me of the Ansac cookies, 53 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: the Australian biscuits a n Zac those tooth on those Yeah, 54 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: those are a result of wartime stuff. 55 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: You know. 56 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: It's the thing. It's the thing about candy. There is 57 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: such a panopoly of possibility. Generally, even people who don't 58 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: consider themselves as folks with a sweet tooth, they'll have 59 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: one candy. And to your point, Nol, it's often nostalgia related, right, 60 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: It's like I ate whoppers the first time I saw 61 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: a movie that I loved. So I don't eat candy, 62 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: but I do have an exception for whoppers. I suggest 63 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: we begin with Tutsie rules, as are as our pal 64 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: Max introduces it. Here's the question, have you ever looked 65 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: at your cat's turts and thought what if that was chewy? 66 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: Or oh wow? Yeah? No, but I do have to 67 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: take issue with something that Max wrote in his jury 68 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: here that we sort of repassed. You think kit Kat, reseason, 69 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: Almond Joy or bad candy? 70 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. 71 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: I'm saying, if you or you buy the variety of Pivo, 72 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: you get the kit Casts, you get the Receeds, which 73 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: are a plus candies, and you get an Almond Joy, 74 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: which is just trash candy. 75 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. That's my favorite candy. 76 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Are you serious? 77 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: I love Almond Joy? 78 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: Did you read the next sentence that said you were 79 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 3: one of the seven people who are getting bad about this? 80 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm mad, and I also like Receas is considerable 81 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: as a beloved candy. I don't know. 82 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: Well, that's what you say, but shout out, shout out 83 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: to Shang Weng who has an excellent piece about almonds 84 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: versus mounds. What's your allmon joy versus bounds. What's your 85 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: mounds opinion? 86 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: Well, allmon Joys have nuts and mounds don't, right, So 87 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: sometimes you feel like and usually I feel like a nut. 88 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: When I don't, I eat some other candy that's not mounds. 89 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 2: Mounds is darker chocolate too. I don't know, man, people 90 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 2: have really strong opinions about shredded coconut, And I don't 91 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: know if you know this. You know, there's some surgeries 92 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: that people get. I believe it's I forget the name 93 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: of it, but it's when you get your stomach reduced 94 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: in size some people that have trouble with weight gain 95 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 2: and it's a procedure that can be done to literally 96 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: decrease the size of your stomach, and there's some kind 97 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: of suture or staples or whatever that stay in there forever. 98 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: That shredded coconut can literally shred So people that have 99 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: these procedures they are no longer allowed to eat shredded 100 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: coconut of any variety for the rest of their lives, 101 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: which it sounds like you guys would be fine. 102 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: With gastric staplings. That's the one. Yeah, there's now clearly, 103 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: as we're going into it, there is one candy which 104 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: is obviously the worst candy bar, and that is the 105 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: zero bar. We're not going to talk about the zero 106 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: bar because that would be like platforming terrorism. We just 107 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: need you to know that we are aware of that 108 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: war crime on the mouth man. 109 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: Such strong opinions about I haven't had one in years. 110 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: I think, what is it? It's basically nugat wrapped in 111 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: white chocolate. Are there some almonds in there? There's some 112 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: kind of crunchy nut. 113 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: Peanut and almond nugat covered with white fudge. 114 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: Which is weird because just like an improvised explosive device, 115 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: those ingredients on their own are harmless, you know. 116 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: When weaponized in the form of a weaponized well. And 117 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 2: then the question then arises too, I mean, if certain 118 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: some of these candies are so hated, why are they 119 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: still manufactured? You can still see the Zero bar is 120 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: right there on the candy aisle. It's your local convenient 121 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 2: in store gas station, right next to the Hits. It's 122 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: been around for one hundred and four years. 123 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: Well, thankfully with dust on them, that's how you'll see 124 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: them on the shelf. And that's I think a good 125 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: thing for America. But we're not talking about the Zero. 126 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: We don't want a platform that terrible stuff. There's a 127 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: lot of good candy out there. Opinions differ on the 128 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: candy known as the Tutsie Roll. 129 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: Hate them You're not a tousy boy? Oh no, no, 130 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: My girlfriend really likes them a lot. But I just 131 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: I don't like the texture of them. I don't like 132 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: the way they get stuck in your teeth. Yeah, they 133 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: do resemble cat turns, there's no question about that. I 134 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: just find them patently unpleasant. 135 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: So let's go to kat Eshner from writing for Waters Smithsonian, 136 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: who gives us a bit of the history. 137 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 2: Here. 138 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: On the twenty third of February eighteen ninety six, Leo 139 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: Hirshfield opened a shop in New York City. He's originally 140 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: an Austrian national. And I got a pause here because 141 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: I know this story from a thing called Stuff of 142 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: Genius that we did many years ago of video series 143 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: on YouTube. Yeah, all right, So here's the idea. He 144 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: is working our buddy Leo in this shop and he 145 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: invents the Tutsi role for one reason or another, and 146 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: then it becomes very popular. It's like it's got a 147 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: wax like texture. Some people like it, some people don't. 148 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: It's not quite gum. It's definitely not you know, like 149 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: a Hershey kiss or something. But at this point New 150 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: York goes crazy for it. They want the little Tutsi 151 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: roll snacks. And I think the first flavor was only chocolate, 152 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: Is that correct? 153 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: I believe. Yeah, that's certainly the classic tutsi role, and 154 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: they have there are fruit fruits adjacent flavored tootsi rolls. 155 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: There's the one that resemble like kind of what Et 156 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: looked like at the end of the movie when he 157 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: sort of shriveled up and turned white and kind of 158 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: looked like a cat turn that have been left out 159 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 2: for quite a few days and dried out. There's definitely 160 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 2: those as well. What other varietals of tutsi rolls are 161 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: out there? 162 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: Vanilla? Okay, Yeah, there are a couple of I want 163 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: to say, for a short time, they had the potential 164 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: to become like kit cats in Japan. Every time I 165 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: have to go, yeah, I pick up a ton of 166 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: kit cats because they're in KitKat flavors in Japan are 167 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: are are amazing because they are very much not one 168 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: to one palette comparisons. You can get kit cats that 169 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: are ocean wave flavored or like. 170 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: What does that daste like? 171 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: They're very Miyazaki, you know, like there's I'm sure there's 172 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: a kit Cat out there named a Dream I Had 173 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: or something like that. But with boy Hirshfield, after he 174 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: invents the Tutsi roll, he merges with an outfit called 175 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: Stern and Solberg to get scale of economy, to make 176 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: more Tutsi rolls, and to bring them to more places. 177 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: There's a side note here involving Star Wars. 178 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: Right, there's an advertisement for something called The Empire Strips Back, 179 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: which I believe is a Star Wars themed burlesque show 180 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: that just recently I passed through Atlanta. I believe a 181 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: friend of the show, Nick Benson, Nick Admiral Turbo Benson 182 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: wentz and said it was quite quite a hullabaloo featuring 183 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: stormtroopers something called Twilex Twilex. I'm not familiar with the 184 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: Star Wars creature, Boba Fetts. You think they would have 185 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 2: given them more risque names. The image associated with the 186 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 2: ad featured a very sexy job of the hut being 187 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: quite risque. 188 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: Risque. 189 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what has this to do with the episode, 190 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: you might ask this. 191 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing, It has nothing to do with it other 192 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: than us sharing the specific types of targeted ads are 193 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: paled max is getting. 194 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: I thought the Star Wars universe has bad candy made 195 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: from that blue milk. Perhaps, well, the Tutsi role everybody 196 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: in the West recognizes it. When it started it solved 197 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: to problems. It didn't melt, and it was individually wrapped. 198 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: And this was a huge, huge deal because if you 199 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: are a Wonka esque or Charlie and the chocolate factory 200 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: esque candy man shout out to the candyman, can would 201 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: you would try to sell a lot of candy, and 202 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 2: a lot of your candy was very temperature sensitive. So 203 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: a hot summer, when most people are going to be 204 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 2: out perhaps impulsively buying candy a hot summer can be 205 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: dangerous for things like marshmallows, which are also trash. Chocolate 206 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: also has a problem just chemically. In very hot weather, 207 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: it can turn into a sticky mass, the texture can change. 208 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: So Samira Kawash, who also authored a history of candy, 209 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: puts it this way. The genius of Tutsi roll was 210 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: to create a summer candy that was a flavor never 211 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: before seen in summer candies, the flavor of chocolate, because 212 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 2: you just couldn't get it at that time. Yeah, I 213 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: guess that's sort of chocolate, the way like diet coke 214 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: tastes like coke. I mean, it doesn't taste like diety. 215 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: It's definitely sweet, but it's I don't know, I wouldn't 216 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: describe it as being particularly accurate in its chocolate flavor. 217 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: A third advantage is that it was really affordable, right, 218 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: This is kind of like penny candy. 219 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: That's right. And then enter let's combine two things that 220 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: people apparently love at the time, which is this this 221 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 2: sutsy role and a lollipop. Boom bang bam, you got 222 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: yourself a Tutsi pop? How many licks does it take 223 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: to get to the center? The world may never know? 224 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: Ask mister Awl. You guys remember that classic ad. They 225 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: played it well into the nineties. This is the same one, 226 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: which I really respect, you know, because again they're playing 227 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: on the nostalgia and they know their brand. 228 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, how many licks does it take to get to 229 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: the center of a Tutsi pop? A question that I 230 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:35,119 Speaker 1: think there was actually a one or two scientific endeavors 231 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: to find the answer, which we're not going to quote today, 232 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: but let us know how many licks it takes you. 233 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: This is where the war comes in that Max teased 234 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: Sue Astuteley. So the Tutsi pop comes along in the 235 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: nineteen thirties. It is a It's one of the candies 236 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: that succeeds during the Great Depression, and when the US 237 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: goes to World War Two, the Tutsi role goes along 238 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: as well. I want to shout out our earlier episode 239 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: on chocolate science in war, which was pretty much banger. 240 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: So the Tutsi role is associated with wartime rationing and 241 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: the depression in some form and after the war. Now 242 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: as veterans are returning to the US, it becomes even 243 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: more popular because now it is hitting that nostalgia switch. 244 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: Have you guys seen the Japanese anime film Grave of 245 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: the Fireflies. Yes, it's a very harrowing tale, as you 246 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: guys know, anyone out there the audience who hasn't seen it, 247 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: very harrowing World War two tail told from the perspective 248 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: of a young boy and his sister who are kind 249 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: of traversing the nuclear decimated wasteland of Japan. And there 250 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: is a candy tie in. It's basically a ration type candy. 251 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: They're called Sakuma drops, and it's a really tragic thing 252 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: where they end up starving and all they have are 253 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: these little kind of hard candy drops. And you can 254 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: still buy these if you go to a grocery like 255 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: a Japanese or Asian market and they're branded with Grave 256 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: of the Firefly's imagery, which I think is the weirdest 257 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: branding tie in because it is a plot point in 258 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: the movie that will break your heart and it comes 259 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: in this like ten you know, And I actually have 260 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: one that I just keep on my mantle as like 261 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: a little curio or whatever. But I just thought that 262 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: was such an odd choice to tie in such a 263 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: depressing film to your brand. 264 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: Nostalgia is I guess that drug? Yeah, yeah, that's true. 265 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: And right now again, according to that awesome article, Tutsi 266 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: Rules were WW two energy bars from Kat Eshner. According 267 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: to that article, which is pretty recent from twenty seventeen, 268 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: right now, thirteen point eight percent of Americans hate Tutsi roles, 269 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: or I should say they did in twenty seventeen. So 270 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: is the candy still popular? 271 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: I would say yes, Ben weren't there at the time. 272 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm misremembering, but like some of those ration kind 273 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: of mre situations, didn't they sometimes include a little Tutsi role. 274 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they stayed fresh. 275 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: They stayed fresh, and they're calorically dense, like we were 276 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: talking on our other show, stuff that I want you 277 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: to know about. Or maybe it wasn't on the show, 278 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: but it was a conversation we were having with a 279 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: co host, Matt that in a apocalyptic or you know 280 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: what's the word kind of bunker type situation, peanut butter 281 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: is really great to have because of its caloric density. 282 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: So the same deal with this stuff. And it also 283 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: keeps packs a lot of punch colorically into a little 284 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: tiny wax paper package. 285 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you go on the tutsi roll website today, 286 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: according to mashed dot com, you will find that there 287 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: are sixty four million tiny little tutsi rolls reduced every 288 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: single day. They also walk through some pretty interesting statistics, right, 289 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: so let's. 290 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 2: Break down the math. The company produced sixty four million 291 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 2: candies a day, which averages to forty four four hundred 292 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 2: and forty every minute, seven hundred and forty every second. 293 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: Kind of mind boggling. I'd love to see how it's 294 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: made about the tutsi roll process because, like, you know, 295 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: just how how did they get each one wrapped so perfectly? 296 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: They must have a machine that twists the ends like that. 297 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: I'd love to see that assembly line in action. Massive scale. 298 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 2: Can only imagine. 299 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, seven hundred and forty separate individually wrapped tutsi rolls 300 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: every second. I guess it takes the longer to wrap them. 301 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 2: It must ben, do you think, And I guess you 302 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 2: know what, I bet. I bet they're created as giant 303 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: logs that are then cut chopped, you know, like by 304 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 2: some massive machine, like all at the same time. But 305 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 2: do you think that it's tutsi rolls that are kind 306 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: of responsible for the individually packaged candy craze? Because there 307 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: are some individually packaged candies that are so small, like egregious, 308 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 2: you know, like gummies. You can find now that each 309 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 2: little tiny gummy has its own little plastic packaging. 310 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: You know, I would kind of like to do an 311 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: episode about packaging. It's just such a it's a fascinating thing. 312 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: It may be its own podcast, sure, but tutsi roles, 313 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: at least in the West, were pretty early into the 314 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: individually packaged concept, you know. And now there's what a 315 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: estimated twenty three billion tutsi rolls made a year individually packaged. 316 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: Is pretty wild, and you know, interesting news for the 317 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: slightly less than fourteen percent of Americans who don't care 318 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,239 Speaker 1: for tutsi roles. Other people like them very positive about it. 319 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: I'm one of those people, you know, if I don't know, man, 320 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: candy is so weird, like we have. 321 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 2: Can I make something? 322 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 323 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: I actually like tutsi rolls. I'll put them in here first. 324 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: One on the write up. 325 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: I like it's nostalgia though, because you know, if you 326 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: grow up in like a public school environment, toutsi rolls 327 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: often end up being something you get on like Valentine's Day, 328 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: teachers give them his treats and so on. 329 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: I really like Bito Honey, which has a very similar 330 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: texture to tutsi rolls, but a lovely honey nut kind 331 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: of flavor. So to me, it's not the texture that 332 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 2: Touzzy rolls that throws me off. It's just the kind 333 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: of faux chocolate flavor of it, but love a Bido honey. 334 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 2: Also there's another what was it called like something Jane 335 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 2: Mary Jane's. That's another like nostalgia candy that's very similar 336 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: to Bito Honey. 337 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: There was one I still remember. Oh. It was like, 338 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: oh gosh, it's going to come back to me at 339 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: the weirdest moment. It's not a butterfinger, but it was 340 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 1: like it came on a stick and it was like 341 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: a little chocolatey caramel e. 342 00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: Turd I was talking about. It was something daddy, sugar daddy, 343 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: sugar daddy, because then there's sugar babies and that was related. 344 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: But the sugar daddy comes on a stick. 345 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: What's your opinion on candy corn, you guys. 346 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: Oh god, I hope we're aligned on this. I just 347 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: think it's the devil's candy. 348 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: You're probably familiar with candy corn folks. It's the thing 349 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: that looks like little loose. 350 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: Teeth get of sugar, exactly, a little loose vampire fangs, 351 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: kind of with a orange and red and white. Maybe 352 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: not red, but there's three colors. Maybe it goes orange, white, orange, 353 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: but definitely got a repeating pattern and of course a 354 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 2: fun way to make variations. Because there are some festive 355 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 2: looking candy corns. I put them in the same category 356 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: as those weird little pumpkin things. They just taste like 357 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: sugary wax to me and just get stuck in your teeth. 358 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 2: Once again. I think they're cute for decoration, though, you know, 359 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: to fill out perhaps a bit of a Halloween cornucopia spread, 360 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 2: or to the point made here in the research document, 361 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving cornucopia spread of candy, although we don't really associate 362 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving with candy as much as we do with like 363 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: gluttony and pies. 364 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: And it's actually it's tough to it's tough to find 365 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: the providence where the ultimate origin story of candy corn. 366 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: But from what we know it came around sometime in 367 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: the eighteen seventies eighteen eighties. The technology to make this 368 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, I would argue, was already sort of 369 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: descending from things like marzipan, right where you use an 370 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: almond paste to create different shapes. Companies at this time 371 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: were all about taking conventional, easily accessible agricultural products and 372 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: using them as a flavor. I wouldn't even say a 373 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: flavor base, a flavor inspiration for different things. They would 374 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: they would shape like chestnut candy is still pretty popular 375 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: in different. 376 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: Nuts to the worst nut candy. Oh, yeah, you know what, 377 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: maybe I have seen we were talking earlier about the 378 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: various varieties of Japanese kit cat. I want to say 379 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 2: I've seen a chestnut flavored kit cat, you know, at 380 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 2: Super h Mart before. 381 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: But I could probably you've probably seen it. Yeah, chestnut 382 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: flavor for different things is pretty popular in East Asia? 383 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: Got it? And I gotta say, just putting it out there, 384 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: I'm a big Marzapan fan, but for me, that's its 385 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: own kind of nostalgia because, as you all know, I 386 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 2: was once a small German boy and Marzapan is huge 387 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: in Germany. There was a candy that my parents would 388 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 2: give me for Christmas in my stocking every year called 389 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: Mozart Cougod and their chocolated in case balls of Marsupan 390 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: with kind of like a liquor y kind of chocolate filling. 391 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: I guess they cook it off, but I remember them 392 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 2: tasting quite boozy. But it was sort of a tradition 393 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 2: that I would get Mozart Coogan in my stocking every year. 394 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: And Becky Little, writing for history dot Com with the 395 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: article who Invented Candycorn dives into this strange, somewhat obscure 396 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: origin story. She posits that a guy named George Renneger 397 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: worked at a place called the Vnderlay Candy Company, and 398 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 1: he is generally going to be cited as the creator 399 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: of candycorn because while he was working at this company, 400 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: Thunderley became the first outfit to sell this stuff. And 401 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: just to be clear, everybody, candy corn is mainly sugar 402 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: and corn syrup. You know what I mean. 403 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. I was just looking at Yes, 404 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: I was just looking to go back a little further, 405 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 2: wondering like, what was the first documented suite and it 406 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: actually zembles a lot of the kinds of candies we're 407 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: talking about today. It was, of course the ancient Egyptians 408 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 2: as well as folks in the Middle East and in China, 409 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: where they combined fruits and nuts, often caramelizing them inside honey. 410 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: And you know, they also created early versions of licorice 411 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: and kind of ginger candies. But we do see things 412 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: that are very that kind of almost preserved, you know, 413 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: chunky stuff within a kind of you know, medium of 414 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: sort of honeyed kind of gooiness. So not not like 415 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: candy corn, a little more like the bido honey and 416 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: the tussy rolls that we're talking about, or even things 417 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 2: like fruitcake. But I digress. I just wanted to quickly 418 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 2: just take us into the past. 419 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: However, it was the Golitz Candy Company now going by 420 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: the name Jelly Belly Candy Company. Ah, they made candy 421 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: corn successful. They hit the economy of scale in eighteen 422 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: ninety eight. They snagged the recipe and they started selling 423 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: these little you know, sugar and corn syrup burst of 424 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: a burst of sweet as a candy that they originally 425 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: called chicken feed. But it makes sense. It makes sense 426 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: at the time because many more people were part of 427 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: the agricultural industry. So it's kind of like how you 428 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: will sell pretend kitchen goods to children. You know, you're 429 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: oshkosh b gosh toast raven and so on. 430 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: Easy bake oven and all that. Right, right, So fast 431 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: forward a little bit to the early nineteen hundreds when 432 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: candy corner really took off because much like the humble Titzzerole, 433 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 2: it was very very cheap to buy and to produce 434 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 2: and was another member of the family we know as 435 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: Penny candy. And I don't know if y'all remember, I'm 436 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: sure you do, the idea of a penny lick when 437 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: we refer when we did a history of ice cream 438 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 2: or frozen treats, that you would like it would be 439 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 2: a kind of a community spoon you'd play, you pay 440 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: a penny and you'd get a lick of the spoon, 441 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: or it was like a shared popsicle or something. And 442 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: I believe it actually spread disease pretty significantly back in 443 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: the heyday of the penny lick. 444 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a glass. People had, like a couple 445 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 3: of glasses. So after you were done licking all the 446 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 3: ice cream out of it, Yes, they dunked it in water. 447 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 2: Put you know more, I can give it to somebody. 448 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: Else, similar to how lemonade or dairy would be served 449 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: from a cup that was reused. There were definitely vectors 450 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: for infection. There was a thing that happened that was 451 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: very good for candy corn, and it was the evolution 452 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: of Halloween the way it's currently celebrated in the United States. 453 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: As as candy becomes increasingly associated with Halloween in the 454 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, candy corn, I would argue, also, tutsi rolls 455 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: increasingly become a convenient giveaway candy for Halloween. But it 456 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: may be a chicken feed versus the egg. 457 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: A Yes, I like a robin egg that's sort of 458 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: like just a multicolored whopper. Really, I go, that doesn't 459 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 2: have chocolate on the outset. It's more of a thin 460 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: candy shell. But yeah, According to Samara Kuwash in her 461 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 2: book on the History of Candy, there's a quote here 462 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 2: There was a dramatic spike in October advertising of candy 463 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 2: corn starting in the late nineteen fifties, which began to 464 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 2: really cement the candy as being associated with Halloween. I 465 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: don't know. I guess it makes sense because of fall 466 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 2: kind of stuff and like corn mazes and you know, 467 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 2: scarecrows and all of that. So I guess it was 468 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 2: a convenient tie in, even if it wasn't necessarily envisioned 469 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: that way in the first place. Right for sure. 470 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something a tumnul about it. That's always been 471 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: an association with candy corn, and go like staying with 472 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: little here for a moment, Little notes. The National Confectioners 473 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: Association estimates more than thirty five million pounds of this 474 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: candy candy corn are sold every year. The sales do 475 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: seem to be pretty seasonal. It's most popular in October, 476 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: but you can also get candy corn any old time 477 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: of the year, even on February twenty ninth, even on 478 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: what was that month that got put in and taken 479 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: out Mercediusdonia, Mercedonius. Even on Mercedonius, if they bring Mercedonius back, 480 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: you can get candy corn. 481 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 2: That's right then it's still sold in bulk, you know, 482 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 2: giant bulky bags. Max found a fun little article from 483 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: Pinterest on the proper way to eat candy corn. It 484 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: starts with open bag, pour candy into trash, eat Arese's 485 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: peanut butter cup, and I couldn't agree more. And you know, 486 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: and to your point better about how this stuff is 487 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 2: still around. There is even a special day designated for 488 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 2: those who love candy corn. It is October thirtieth National 489 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: Candy Corn Day. Seem Live is a national day for 490 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: just about everything. 491 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but not almond joys. Hold the phote or 492 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: hold the Halloween bag. This turned into a two parter 493 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: because it turns out, as we said at the top, 494 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: Noel Max, we have a lot of opinions about candy. 495 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 2: It does seem to get people's danders up. Yeah, people 496 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: have hot takes on candy and we are right there 497 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: with you. So join us for part two coming up 498 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: this very week. 499 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: Big big thanks to super producer research associate mister Max Williams. 500 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: Big thanks to Alex Williams, the composer of this track. 501 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: And then who else? How do we want to reference 502 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland today? 503 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: Oh geeze what did you say earlier? Max, He's like 504 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: the Grimace of the of the Ridiculous Universe. He's a 505 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 2: human taste Bud. 506 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: The circus peanut of our hearts. 507 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: Perhaps I don't hate a circus peanut. 508 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: No, no, you know, I mean because it's like a 509 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: marshmallow basis. 510 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 2: It's the little marshmallow. You know what I really like, guys, 511 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: my favorite candy of all various gummies, specifically the ones 512 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: that have like that are shaped like animals and have 513 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 2: little marshmallowy tummies, like the gummy sharks or gummy frogs. 514 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: I love. I love a good gummy and love it 515 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: so much. Fellow Ridiculous Historians that you have tuned in 516 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: with us, please join us later this week when we 517 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: dive into part two of Strange Halloween Candy. I don't 518 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: even want to call it awful, you know, I don't 519 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: want to go. 520 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 2: Oh, strange is good. Yeah, and uh, we'll see a 521 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: nice time Fox. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the 522 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or where ever you listen to 523 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 2: your favorite shows.