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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast, What What What What? From

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Speaker 1: the Chris Wesling podcast studio. It's around the NFL. I'm

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Speaker 1: Dan Hansa's heroes here, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, What how

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Speaker 1: is everybody's weekend? You know what I watched? If you're

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Speaker 1: not gonna say anything, I was waiting for. Greg said

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Speaker 1: that I enjoyed it just seeing Mark like stare at

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Speaker 1: me and Marks like, I don't want to tell anyone

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Speaker 1: about my weekend. Tell you I'm staying undercover. That is

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Speaker 1: not the case. Um, I watched. Well, everyone listens to

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Speaker 1: the show knows. I'm like the baseball fan of the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching this World Baseball Classic, which I never have

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Speaker 1: in the past, and I've been struck by how like

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Speaker 1: kind of the level of juice it has, both in

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Speaker 1: the sellout crowds and how much the players care. Salvador

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Speaker 1: Perez is the catcher for the Royal and is kind

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Speaker 1: of like a grand poobah for a lot of the

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Speaker 1: Latino players. Um, it's from Venezuela, I believe actually, and

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Speaker 1: he um he said this. The game he played against

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Speaker 1: the US that the US went on to win meant

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Speaker 1: more to him than Game seven. Of the World Series,

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Speaker 1: which he played in a few years back. And then

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Speaker 1: it did get me thinking, boys, I was walking the dog,

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Speaker 1: not paying anyone. That's your time to think, go into

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Speaker 1: a hole and poop in the dark, right, just walking

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Speaker 1: the captain thinking about it because we've had so many

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Speaker 1: issues with the Pro Bowl and the NFL and and

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Speaker 1: how to kind of get the players invested and and

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Speaker 1: find something that the fans can enjoy. Is there something too?

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Speaker 1: And baseball is a global brand in terms of players

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Speaker 1: Latin America, the Far East, greg Japan. Massive football is

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Speaker 1: getting there internationally in terms of popularity. But the players,

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Speaker 1: it's like what ninety eight percent ninety nine percent American players, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: getting somewhere would carry a lot of weight on the

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Speaker 1: international team exactly. Um, but is there something to regionalism?

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Speaker 1: And our country doesn't need more tribalism? I understand that,

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Speaker 1: But is there something to some type of competition amongst

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Speaker 1: football players that reflects where they come from in the country.

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Speaker 1: So what if there was some type of event where

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Speaker 1: it's like all the Texas football players, whether they're from

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Speaker 1: just like Americans in the WBC can choose to play

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's a Midwest team and there's something Is there

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Speaker 1: something there for from that or is this a terrible idea?

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Speaker 1: I would say you probably have a soft version of

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Speaker 1: a soft version of that. On my one issue because

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Speaker 1: I've heard some grub only grumbling. I heard about the

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Speaker 1: baseball part. There was a major injury. That gets injuries,

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Speaker 1: there's been as you add any any time you're attached

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Speaker 1: and you're watching your players even play pick up basketball,

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Speaker 1: you're sitting there with you like your fingers crossed. So sure,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the thing. It's too physical, and you're adding,

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Speaker 1: different than basketball and baseball and that injuries are a

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Speaker 1: much higher risk. But in terms of getting the players juice,

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Speaker 1: it's a skills competition, I don't know. I see why

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Speaker 1: old at the point. Our buddy fa Obada got a gig.

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Speaker 1: I didn't mean it in any derogatory. Well, Henry's listening here.

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Speaker 1: in your head, Greg, I hate that. Hate what people

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Speaker 1: say that. Um, all right, this is around the NFL

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Speaker 1: good show today. We're gonna talk to Bill Barnwell, one

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Speaker 1: with ESPN, of course, and with a free agency. Basically

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Speaker 1: respond to that. Um. Yes, who is the great defensive

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Speaker 1: That's right, I did learn that over the last week.

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Speaker 1: Hugh blow shout out, Hublow, Gucci, Um, yeah, no man,

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Speaker 1: starting with Brandon Cooks. He is on the move. He

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Speaker 1: the NFL. What great intro. First, I get some sultry music.

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Speaker 1: I feel like late night, but not like a sketchy

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Speaker 1: late night, like a late night, like a noir a

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Speaker 1: late night Like maybe you're at a jazz club and

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Speaker 1: it's in between sets and you're like, oh, let me

427
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Speaker 1: read five thousand words about these offensive lines transactions. That's

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Speaker 1: what I want out there for me and my fans.

429
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Speaker 1: I I do like to imagine Bill as a member

430
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Speaker 1: of the mid nineties R and B group H Town

431
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Speaker 1: saying that would be good and little know. In fact,

432
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Speaker 1: I once applied for a job at the best damn

433
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Speaker 1: sports show period as a researcher. Really I did not

434
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Speaker 1: get I did not get that job, denied what was there.

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Speaker 1: I have to admit, it's been a long time. I

436
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Speaker 1: don't know. This is not really relevant for sure too.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about, a show that was on

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Speaker 1: neither of the network. I work for the networks. This

439
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Speaker 1: is our show in general. Yeah, well, I have to

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Speaker 1: ask was there a lot of research going on on

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Speaker 1: the I never got to find out. I was working

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Speaker 1: weekends one day a week on Fox Baseball and football

443
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Speaker 1: and like in the highlights department, and was trying to

444
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Speaker 1: get more of a full time gig. I heard about

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Speaker 1: this research job, interviewed, didn't get it all. I know

446
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Speaker 1: Chris Rose, who works on this for this network now

447
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Speaker 1: was a host of that show, and he speaks very

448
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Speaker 1: fondly of the program and what they achieved together. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's my insight on it. Dude, any anyone who

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Speaker 1: can host a show that's on the air of that

451
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Speaker 1: long did something right. So like you know, like like

452
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Speaker 1: no no bones about that. I just you know, it's

453
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Speaker 1: kind of like a you know, a back and forth.

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Speaker 1: I felt like kind of like a you know, a

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Speaker 1: taky sort of show. I didn't recall like extensive research

456
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Speaker 1: segments happening right, and maybe it was a little ahead

457
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Speaker 1: of its time, and like research is the guy who

458
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Speaker 1: lets tarm Arnold know like who's on what team right

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Speaker 1: before the segments and speaking of like late nights and

460
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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to some way premature winners and losers

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Speaker 1: of free agency with Bill Um. I do want to

462
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Speaker 1: mention super Bowl Week in Arizona. Um, we were hanging out.

463
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Speaker 1: We got dinner with Kevin Clark. Yeah, and Clark's plugged

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Speaker 1: in with the ringer. Gagna sent they sure, So he

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Speaker 1: invites us to the Cimes Gathering, which you know is

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Speaker 1: top of the food chain within this whole world, and uh,

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Speaker 1: we did go there. Greggy and Gravedigger was with us

468
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Speaker 1: as well, and um, I was remarkably or surprisingly, I

469
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Speaker 1: was intimidated to the point where it's like, there's too

470
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Speaker 1: many Ringer people here. They're all best friends. Here's Barnwell

471
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Speaker 1: in the corner, just like lording over a group of bros.

472
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Speaker 1: I didn't even go say hi to Bill because he

473
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Speaker 1: was said he was he was the bell of this ball.

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Speaker 1: I had a drink and I excused myself, but it

475
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Speaker 1: was it was basically walking into like the cool kid's

476
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Speaker 1: wing of a high school. It was like, just be

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Speaker 1: careful here, this little treacher you irish goodbye out of

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Speaker 1: that a little bit, a little bit that contact would

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Speaker 1: have loved to stay hello. I don't know which bros

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Speaker 1: I was lording over. I'm not an especially tall person.

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Speaker 1: I don't see myself as like a like a Nate Tice.

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Speaker 1: I would say it was lording out. You were comfortable, though, Bill,

483
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Speaker 1: you were in your element. I could I could see that,

484
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Speaker 1: and I said, I don't want to roll over there

485
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Speaker 1: and do some awkward hellos. I'm gonna let him enjoy

486
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Speaker 1: this time with his colleagues. Well, very nice of you,

487
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Speaker 1: not not necessary at all. Please the next time you

488
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Speaker 1: see me on the street, stop me, grabbed me? Oh,

489
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Speaker 1: st no problem street. But the time's gathering at the

490
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Speaker 1: super Bowl. Okay, I liked that themed it now that

491
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: you actually did Bill a favor so that he stay

492
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Speaker 1: in element and I had some great conversations that night.

493
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Speaker 1: But yeah, you had to you had to wait it out. Yeah,

494
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Speaker 1: you'd be like, all right, Nate, we remember you were

495
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Speaker 1: that Russell Wilson's backup. Okay, let us let us speak.

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Speaker 1: That's not nice, that's not true, mate, mate, mate, I've

497
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Speaker 1: never had a conversation with Nate about football. Um, gathering

498
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Speaker 1: soccer and pro wrestling and zero percent football. Um, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's talk. Let's talk football. Okay, let's do it. So

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Speaker 1: the they don't want us to say it, but we're

501
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Speaker 1: bad boys. The legal tampering period started a week ago today,

502
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Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of activity. Greggy, how many

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Speaker 1: top one on one free agents from your top twenty

504
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Speaker 1: are still remaining? Now? Oh, I've got even more than that.

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Speaker 1: Three from my top twenty five. Three also from my

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Speaker 1: top twenty eleven, of the top fifty and twenty eight

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Speaker 1: I believe are twenty six of the top one on

508
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Speaker 1: one and not that many left. Okay, there's still deals

509
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Speaker 1: to be made, and teams can still get much better

510
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Speaker 1: if they make smart moves. But I'll start with you

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Speaker 1: on this one, Bill, when you survey the landscape so far,

512
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Speaker 1: what's a team that's jumped out to you, Because we'll

513
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Speaker 1: do the good and the bad here, what's a team

514
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Speaker 1: that's jumped out to you that's made itself better in

515
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Speaker 1: the past seven days? Yeah, you know, I'll start with

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Speaker 1: the team I know is near and dear to your

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Speaker 1: guy's hearts. Although I have I do have a question

518
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Speaker 1: that does concern me about them, But I think overall

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Speaker 1: mostly a winner the Detroit Lions. I think a team

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Speaker 1: where they had a very obvious concern on their on

521
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Speaker 1: their defense dead last in ESPN's total QBR metric last year.

522
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Speaker 1: Secondary that was a bit in shambles, a lot of

523
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Speaker 1: work to be done, and you saw it. They went

524
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Speaker 1: out and upgraded at multiple spots. Camp sudden comes in,

525
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Speaker 1: Manuel mostly comes in, and most recently, Chauncey Gardner Johnson

526
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Speaker 1: signs on a one year deal. That's a rebuilt secondary.

527
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Speaker 1: We don't know what Jeffrey cood is going to do.

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Speaker 1: He might be a trade candidate could figure in there

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Speaker 1: as well. But I just think given their needs, given

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Speaker 1: that the offense did look so good at the second

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Speaker 1: half of last year, given that they do have, you know,

532
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Speaker 1: plenty of picks to work with this year's draft, I

533
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Speaker 1: love them focusing on the secondary, getting that taken care

534
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Speaker 1: of squared away. Now they can focus on rebuilding and

535
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Speaker 1: continuing to rebuild that front seven. Here in the draft.

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Speaker 1: I feel like they're in great shape heading into heading

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Speaker 1: into season, except for one thing, but we'll get to

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Speaker 1: that later. I thought the Chauncey Gardner Johnson signing was

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Speaker 1: a nice turnaround after losing Jamal Williams. I thought brought

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Speaker 1: so much fire and personality to that team. It's my

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Speaker 1: one thing, yeah, because I think, like we all, we

542
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Speaker 1: all we met Jamal at the Super Bowl and like

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Speaker 1: loved him and thought that he was just as a

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Speaker 1: reason in a beating heart behind the Lions. But Gardner Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn's known him since high school. Dan Campbell worked

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Speaker 1: with him back with the Saints, so did Aaron Glenn.

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Speaker 1: So it's like they went and got a player they

548
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Speaker 1: knew exactly how to use. And he turned around and

549
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: said to the Eagles. I'm just going to Detroit the

550
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Speaker 1: deal that we had in place, forget about it. We're

551
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Speaker 1: not doing that. I think he had to be disappointed

552
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Speaker 1: by the market. I don't know if he read the

553
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Speaker 1: one on one, but he could have said I'm a

554
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Speaker 1: I'm a freaking top five free agent a week ago

555
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Speaker 1: at this time, and he didn't get the contract he wanted.

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Speaker 1: I believe that he was probably offered, you know in

557
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Speaker 1: the reporting is that he was offered a much better

558
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Speaker 1: deal from the Eagles, but the money went away. They

559
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Speaker 1: ended up spending it on Sleigh and Bradbury. Jesse Bates

560
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Speaker 1: got paid, but very few of the other safeties really

561
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Speaker 1: got paid. Jordan Poyer didn't get paid, Julian Love didn't

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Speaker 1: get played. There were a couple of mid market deals

563
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Speaker 1: with like Von Bell and Donovan Wilson. But understandably, Gardner

564
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Speaker 1: Johnson saw himself better than that. It's kind of like

565
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Speaker 1: James Bradbury year ago. He bet on himself. I think

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Speaker 1: his agent probably cost him a lot of money. But

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Speaker 1: if he plays well for the Lions, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's a great sign that people that know him so

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Speaker 1: well want to bring him in, then he can cash

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Speaker 1: and hopefully next year. And I like the Lions making

571
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Speaker 1: Aaron glenn um look good and possibly pivot from their

572
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: strategy which has really been about resources in the front

573
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Speaker 1: end and they were really weak in the back end.

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Speaker 1: And I love the Sutton signing, especially Mosley is just

575
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Speaker 1: like another guy to have around in case, like they

576
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Speaker 1: are really setting up Aaron glenn for success to potentially

577
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Speaker 1: be a future head coach. Is it possible, Greg, because

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Speaker 1: I need to be, unfortunately the official pushback guy of

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Speaker 1: your agent assassination tour this spring. Is it possible that

580
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: the agent was suggesting he took the deal, he'd take

581
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Speaker 1: the deal of the Eagles were offering, and he said

582
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Speaker 1: he thought he could do better. I think that it's possible,

583
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Speaker 1: but I think anyone signing now um a one year

584
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Speaker 1: deal like that had ended up like misreading the markets,

585
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Speaker 1: and that's the agent's job. That Michael Steel was very

586
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: heavily backloaded too. Maybe he was looking for something structured differently.

587
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Speaker 1: But I am with you, Dan, that blame me the agent,

588
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: not that you're doing this. Greg, Just like this time

589
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: of year that you're just getting like destroyed left and right,

590
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: and it's like sometimes the player are people around the

591
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: players saying no, no, you can do better than that,

592
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: and then it didn't happen for him, and then but

593
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Speaker 1: how can you do better than being unaligned? I mean

594
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Speaker 1: the lines of historically you could well that. That's my

595
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: concern here is that you guys alluded to this. It

596
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Speaker 1: has there been a vibe shift with Jamal Williams leaving

597
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: for Johnson makes up he replaces a totally different vibe

598
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: that jose Gardner. Johnson's vibe is I may fight you

599
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: at any time you get getting you to fight me

600
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Speaker 1: with no warning at any time. Yeah, that's not Jamal Williams.

601
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: Jamal Williams, I was like, Hey, let's watch anime or

602
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: play video games for twenty straight hours and eat really

603
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: good takeout. Ask Michael Thomas about Gardner Johnson, Yes, exactly. Um,

604
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: all right, who is that? Who is the Bears player

605
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: who punched him twice in the helmet? I can't remember? Yeah,

606
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: there he is a spicy character. He's a spicy meaning

607
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: the Bears wide receiver four. It's gonna bother me the

608
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: rest of the show. Now, I'm sorry. Justin Graver the

609
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: Grave Digger is going to be on that. I want

610
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Speaker 1: to talk about someone a near or something near and

611
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: dear to your heart. Barnwell, Yes, hulagiman Um. I see

612
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: them as a winner, and this extends more than just

613
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: the last week. I liked the way they got the

614
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: business done with Daniel Jones. Maybe you could say an overpay,

615
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: but he's He's in the building. They believe in him,

616
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Speaker 1: and I think that's good enough when you have Brian

617
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Speaker 1: Dabile there, se Quon Barclay's back. Love the Darren Waller

618
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: move for obvious reasons. I think that's a very high

619
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Speaker 1: upside move, and we talked about it last week. It

620
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: ended up being a kind of a Cadarius Tony for

621
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Speaker 1: Darren Waller swap. I could live with that. Paris Campbell

622
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: joins the wide receiver room. He gives them a chance

623
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Speaker 1: to upgrade their receiving game. You know, Odell Beckham's out

624
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: there tweeting at Saquon that he has work to do.

625
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 1: I believe something along those lines, something insane. In general,

626
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Speaker 1: I feel like Isaiah Hodgens also coming back. I feel

627
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: like Bill, this team's going in the right direction, and

628
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: obviously they I think they overachieved to a certain extent

629
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Speaker 1: or played well considering their schedule now, I think adding

630
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: pieces around Jones is necessary, and they're they're doing that.

631
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Speaker 1: I'm not especially thrilled. Okay, how the Giants approached this offseason,

632
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: and I guess part of it is the big decision

633
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones is one part of it, and then

634
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Speaker 1: kind of everything else fits into the other side of it.

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Speaker 1: I know you guys already talked about Daniel Jones, so

636
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get too far into this, but let

637
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: me ask you this one question. If Daniel Jones plays

638
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: exactly the same as he played last year, do you

639
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: think that turns out to be a good deal? Like,

640
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: does he have to improve to justify this contract or

641
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: can he just be the guy he was last year

642
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: and that's good enough for the Giant. The whole deal,

643
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: in my mind when it went down, was this was

644
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: built under the idea of the premise that he's just

645
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: starting to reach his potential, which made it an unusual

646
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: contract in that sense, but also internally, the Giants believe

647
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: so much in Dable and Jones. That's how I saw it.

648
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: So yes that he has to get better if he

649
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: If he plateaus, it's a bad contract. Does he have

650
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: the pieces around him to get better. Well, I think

651
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: that's my question, Like, like you know, I think, yes,

652
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: I love the Darred Waller move. I think it's a

653
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: pretty not risk free because you're giving up a third

654
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: round pick and that is valuable, and you're you're using

655
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: ten million dollars if you're cap space. But I think

656
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: a very logical risk for the Giants to take. I

657
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: don't love the wide receivers like guests bringing in Paris Campbell,

658
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: a guy who's been hurt most of his career and

659
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: who averaged like ten yards to catch last year, Like

660
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: I have no doubt Daniel Jones can find a link

661
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: with a guy who's going to catch the ball and

662
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: fall down. But right now, the only deep beard on

663
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: this roster is Darius Slayton, and that's a guy who

664
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: this organization, much like Jones, didn't want last year, who

665
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: kind of got the opportunity because everyone else in front

666
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: of him either got hurt or they didn't want to play.

667
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: So I like Darius Layden personally. I think he's a

668
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: good player. I don't have a real issue with the contract,

669
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: but I was sort of hoping for more, something more

670
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: significant when it came to the receiving court. They still

671
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: have time to be fair. But the Bobbio Karaka signing

672
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't especially thrilled by. That's the guy they spent

673
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: the most on this offseason. As much as attention as

674
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: Waller got, they spent the most. Right, I add a

675
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: position where look, they were maybe the worst and the

676
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: slowest in the NFL, so they needed an upgrade, but

677
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: they spent a lot to fix it. It seems like

678
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: a team that could use Darius Tony that was that

679
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: was something that didn't work out a year ago. But

680
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: I do think with Brian Dable and the draft ahead

681
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: that I liked in general, what's happened with the Giants

682
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: over the last five hundred days. They finally seem to

683
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: have a plan. I have no problem if you if

684
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: you don't resigned Daniel Jones, who fills that void, and

685
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: then you're starting over with a different quarterbacks. So I

686
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: don't mind it as a two year see what you

687
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: got and there's more pieces to come. I'd hope around

688
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: two quick things and then someone else go one. Darius Slayton,

689
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: to Bill's point, was a healthy scratch in Week one

690
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: this year, so that's kind of where his journey has

691
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: gone and he gets a new two year deal too.

692
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: I've never heard anyone use the five hundred day marker

693
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: before Historic you had to go like from January to

694
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: here and next summer. You know, it's good, It's just

695
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: it's unusual, and I like it because if I said

696
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five, I have no idea what

697
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: was happening literally one year ago today, or who I was,

698
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: or who the giants were. So that's a weird days

699
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: in summer. One of the movies where um, I enjoyed

700
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: it the most in the theater too, I probably understand

701
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: it's a bad movie now ratio like it's really high

702
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: in that race. It's in the Garden State Club, right,

703
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: I can't I can't say I didn't enjoy it. I

704
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: enjoyed the hell out of it. But now it was cute. Yeah,

705
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: anything di Chanelle is gonna maybe an age not so hot.

706
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump buff and do a winner because it's

707
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: it's related a little bit to your giants, which is

708
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: that because I think they're gonna draft just look at

709
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: me and say your giants, Uh, well, your giants choice

710
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: bill is a weird, like negging giants fan like, he's

711
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: never happy with him, he never wants to totally own it. So, yeah,

712
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: what if they were this year. I'm not gonna like

713
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: like they're bringing the band back and adding Bobby. I'm

714
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: not thrilled by that. Okay, Okay, I'm with you. They're

715
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: logically gonna fall back, and but wing Martindale and Brian

716
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: Dable and Joe Shane for that matter, actually give me

717
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: enough confidence that, like they'll help push the tide of

718
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: what is probably gonna be unrealistic expectations. Um, maybe this

719
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: would be bad for the Giants because I think they're

720
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: almost locked into taking a receiver in the first round,

721
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: or that there should be good value there. But I'm

722
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: gonna say some of the winners of this last month

723
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: are the receivers in this draft, because there there was

724
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: so little spending on these sort of second tier receivers

725
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: that were available. I maybe I misread the market in

726
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: terms of artificially like putting these guys higher on my

727
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: list just thinking they were gonna get money and that

728
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: they were like decent players. Guys like Jacobi Meyers in

729
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,479
Speaker 1: Juju and Lazard ended up getting a lot of money,

730
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: but a lot of players didn't and there wasn't much

731
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: of a premium placed on these players. They ended up

732
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: getting paid less than what I would have expected. And

733
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: to me, I think it's because, first of all, this

734
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: draft class isn't amazing at the top, but there's still

735
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: a good group of players that I think could be

736
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: taken in the first round, and maybe now they're gonna

737
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: get pushed up a little higher. And the other thing is,

738
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: I think the receivers now looked at as a premium

739
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: position that these free agents just didn't qualify that you

740
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: need to get those receivers in a trade or you

741
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: need to draft them. And the hit rate on these

742
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: draft receivers is just so incredibly high right now that

743
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: it almost feels like gmproof. That's like, Okay, don't take

744
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: to Kobe Myers and pay them fifteen million dollars, draft

745
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: your receivers, don't take Jujo, don't don't overpay for any

746
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: of these guys. Maybe give up a second for DeAndre Hopkins,

747
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: but like, not even more than that, Let's just draft

748
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: these guys. Because the contracts are so low for the

749
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: draft picks in the hit rate is so high that

750
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: to me, it's it's almost getting treated a little bit

751
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: like defensive end and quarterback like other premium positions, and

752
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: they didn't. It didn't happen for them in free agency.

753
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: But I think they're gonna look at this draft class

754
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: and people say there's not like a true one in it.

755
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: That's fine, but I think it's going to push these

756
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: draft receivers up the board that not many teams really

757
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 1: solve many of their receiver problems in free agency. Well,

758
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, I look at the DeAndre Hopkins situation. I'm

759
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: writing about this for ESPN this week. It's not easy

760
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: to find a landing spot for DeAndre Hopkins right now.

761
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of teams that either don't have the

762
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: cap space or a set at receiver or half an

763
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator who appeared to be in a blood feud

764
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: with DeAndre Hopkins before treating him in a very ill

765
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: fated trade that costed his job. But there's not like

766
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: an obvious spot where you're like, okay, that is where

767
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins is gonna go. So you know, I sort

768
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: of wonder if the league as a whole, like you said,

769
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: Greg is sort of looking at the receiver success rate

770
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: and say, okay, as long as I'm not weirdly of

771
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: all people, how he Roseman drafting Jail and Rager like

772
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna work out pretty well for me all things considered.

773
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: So I agree, you know, and I think something that

774
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: is very like we all know it but we don't

775
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: talk about it that often, is just how valuable it

776
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: is take players of premium positions in the draft, and

777
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver right now is in a tier with left

778
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: tackle and edge rusher, where that is a position where

779
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: you get a significant surplus value over the first three

780
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: years of a guy's rookie deal. If you draft land

781
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: even an average receiver, let alone someone like a Justin

782
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: Jefferson or a Jamar Chase, I'm gonna throw it out.

783
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: I think last year was obviously the year of Geno Smith,

784
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: but like my Geno Smith won b or Gino Smith

785
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: light for at least the first half of the season

786
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: was Jacoby Brissette, And so I'm gonna go a little

787
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: more player focus win because I kind of think of

788
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: all the places where Brissette could have gone, where it's like,

789
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: had he gone Indianapolis like Gardner Minshew, It's like, well,

790
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: they're clearly going to draft someone in the ideas that

791
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: you don't play Gardner Minshew. Ideally, if the rookie's up

792
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: to stop, Jacoby Brissette, I think has a chance to

793
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: continue what he did last year in Cleveland and be

794
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: another example of a late blooming quarterback that last year.

795
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean it could a little bit of Kevin Stefanski,

796
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: but the offense completely changed when de Shaun Watson get

797
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: in there. It devolved in all the wrong ways, and

798
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: I think that's a credit to some degree about Brissette.

799
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 1: He's also talked about. I know that Ron Rivera would

800
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: rather just have a veteran run the show fit until

801
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: the end of time, but Brissette is a lauded teammate.

802
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski said it was one of the in terms

803
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: of coaching teammates, one of the best he'd ever been

804
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: around his career. I think that's a great thing for

805
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 1: a Washington team that always seems to have its vibe

806
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: off a little bit. They're just to obviously ownership on down.

807
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: There's a lot of um evil smells coming out of

808
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: that organization. Jacoby Brissette can change things. There's weapons around him.

809
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: I think he can have a good season and continue

810
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: to kind of advocate for himself as a spot starter

811
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: and someone that might get a better chance in this

812
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: if he can fend off Sam Howell, who was spicy

813
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: in week eighteen. I did hear a fun conspiracy theory? Yeah,

814
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: nfluk Hank throughout this. Sure, Henry Hudson fast going around here.

815
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: Uh what if the new Washington owner comes in and

816
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: that's the one who goes over the top for Lamar.

817
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: That would be beautiful because there's there's this talk that

818
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: Dan Snyder that it might be it might be imminent.

819
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: You come in with that Amazon money, you know, you

820
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: pick up NFL media, you know, take care of the

821
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: around the NFL podcast here, and then signing Lamar. You're

822
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: a hero to the whole. The Ravens want to send

823
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. There's just gotta spending insane amount of money

824
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: and not give him a choice. It would be that.

825
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm totally Whitney seed. I don't really think and I

826
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: think Jacoby has a nice spot with the enemy and

827
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: all those weapons. I agree with slices me off a

828
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: piece of that, Jake Bristey, I think that would be great.

829
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: Washington fans would be head over if they had new

830
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: ownership and Lamar Jackson. Everything's different, Sava said it, and

831
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: the whole world's on fire. But the Ravens are not

832
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: gonna want him anywhere near what do they call that area?

833
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: What's an area? It has a name, the Baltimore, Maryland.

834
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: You live there, Bill, what is it? The DMV. But

835
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: he's already in the DMV. So I'm confused as to

836
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: like the distinction being made between you don't want to

837
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: stay and you don't want to you want to get

838
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: him out of the V's not gonna be on your team. Yeah,

839
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know about You live in

840
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: the middle of one of the toughest rivalries in sports,

841
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: Washington versus Baltimore speak out. I have never honestly like, oh,

842
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: this is very juicy. And then I was like, I

843
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: don't know a single person I've ever seen like a

844
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: Ravens friend friend of mine argue with a Commanders fend

845
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: friend of mine. Yeah, it doesn't feel like giants jest

846
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: put it that way. And in fact, the nastiest thing

847
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: that ever happened in the DMV in terms of like

848
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: the sports teams is when the Ravens won the Super

849
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: Bowl and then Angelo. So the Orioles said no, we

850
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: have a we have a baseball game, and you can't

851
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: even host this week one game in your building and

852
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: they had to go on the road after they won

853
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: the damn Super Bowl. That that was some DMV dirt um.

854
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: That game was the game where I remember watching with

855
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: West and we always talk about that. Owen Daniels had

856
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: the like slowest um like move to try to like

857
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: make someone miss that we'd ever seen. I don't know

858
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 1: why Thames or something in that game. Jake Brisket point,

859
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: So let's say he was very good in his starts

860
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: for the Browns before Watson came and didn't play well.

861
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: Brisket I'll played him. Let's say that's his close to

862
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: his ceiling this year. Does that make Washington a power

863
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: player or make them much better than they were? I don't.

864
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: I just think he's a guy, and that's why I

865
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: see this team just right now kind of stuck in

866
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: the mud. Even with Brissette there. As much as I

867
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: like him, well, I don't think he's a difference maker.

868
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: I would say it's a win for I said it

869
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: about Jacoby Brissette. I think it's a win for him

870
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: to go see what he does with it. If I'm Washington.

871
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: If I'm a fan of the Commanders, I like Brissette.

872
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: I can't can't be the final plan here, and it

873
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: can't be for the eighth year in a run year

874
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: on a run RIVERA like a veteran who might be

875
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: average or better than average. How about a bill I'll

876
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: go ahead. I just want to point out the Commanders

877
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: last year with Taylor Heineke, Carson Wentz and Sam Howell

878
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: at quarterback, we're eight eight and one. They were realistically

879
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: what a game away from making it till the postseason.

880
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: They wouldn't the gotfar probably, but you know the Saints

881
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: are selling out to try and win nine games and

882
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: be in the playoffs. The Commanders weren't an okay quarterback away.

883
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: You know, they were six in the NFL in points

884
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: purpose session allowed on defense without Chase Young or the

885
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: version of Chase Young. We hope it is going to

886
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: be back this upcoming season. And Jacoby Brissette, like he's

887
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: not a superstar, but he doesn't turn the ball over

888
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: since he got into the league. I think the only

889
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: quarterback with with a better interception rate than Jacoby Brissette.

890
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: The only quarterbacks are Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. So

891
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: I think there's sort of a there's sort of a

892
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: Jets thing happening here where it's like, Okay, we have

893
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: this great defense. It's young enough that they're probably gonna

894
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: be good again next year. If we can just get

895
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: a competent quarterback in here, we're a playoff team. And

896
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: for Washington, given how depressing this franchise has been for

897
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: two and a half decades, that kind of feels like

898
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: a victory. Yeah. In fact, when the Rodgers thing was

899
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: very hazy with the Jets, as if it's not hazy now,

900
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: Brissette felt like a fallback plan for the Jets. So yes,

901
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: for the commanders, a sensible one for the commanders. It

902
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: would keep them in the mix for sure. I just hope,

903
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: I mean the woman now you got my head thing

904
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: with the Lamar thing, even though it's not going to happen,

905
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: they really needs something like a whole new breath of

906
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: fresh air for that order ownership would be enough. I

907
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: think they would be excited. Bill. We don't like to

908
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: be overly critical, given you know, it's so hard to

909
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: tell what's good and what's bad at this point. In fact,

910
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: sometimes it's the opposite is the team that spends big

911
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: that ends up not doing well. Although the last two

912
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: years I saw this on network on the lower third

913
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: before I stepped in the studio today, the last two years,

914
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: the team that spent the most in free agency made

915
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Okay, so maybe it is great. Maybe if

916
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: you can win free agency that last year. Who would

917
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: have been the year before? I don't know, it might

918
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: have been another It might have been the Patriots who

919
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: made it. All right, let's pause right here. We got

920
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: more to do with Bill Barnewell, but first to break

921
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 1: all Right, we're back. Who's a loser? So far? To you? Bill,

922
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: the loser was tougher, you know, ID a bunch of winners.

923
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: I felt good about a loser. Maybe the Broncos. I

924
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: mean just in terms of teams that spent a lot

925
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: of money and I look at those moves and I'm

926
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: kind of confused. Like Michael Clinchy, I understand wanting to

927
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: improve the protection around Russ. Mike Clinchey is a solid player.

928
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: He has the second largest contract of any right tackle

929
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: in football, and he has never played at that level

930
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, So tough for me to believe he's

931
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: gonna suddenly be a top five right tackle for the Broncos.

932
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I like the Zach Allen move, but even

933
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: Zach Allen one year of playing at the level he

934
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: played at in Arizona, Guys like Alex Singleton, Jared Stidham,

935
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: these are replacement level players. These are guys who, even

936
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: if they played well when you saw them last year,

937
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: Guys so you could have got for very cheap last

938
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: season who you can probably find another version of very

939
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: cheap this season. The Broncos are paying a premium to

940
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: either retain or bring in to their organization. So I

941
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: don't hate the overall plan, but I think the pricing,

942
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: especially in the market where teams have been very reasonable

943
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: with what they've spent. I don't love how they spent

944
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: their money in Denver, right, and they spent it on

945
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: Ben Powers too, was another like premium guy that a

946
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: year ago would have had like a one year, one

947
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: million dollar deal. It just was like paying for guys

948
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: that the rest of the market didn't really look like that,

949
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: Like backup quarterbacks didn't get paid, we could throw them

950
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: out as a loser. In general, backup quart like Jacoby

951
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: Brissette did the best getting eight million. The backup quarterback

952
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: market weirdly is like worse than it was six years ago.

953
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 1: I don't really like when Chase Daniel was cashing seven

954
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: million dollar checks for never playing and now you get

955
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: like decent players for four and a half. That doesn't

956
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: make sense. And you're right, yeah, Denver spent on a

957
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: guy like ben Ben Power is a good example. Like

958
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: I don't think Baltimore was remotely interested in spending that

959
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: sort of money on a guard. I feel like Sean

960
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: Payton at least is trying to make a case where

961
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: you're I like the theory that you're stripping excuses away

962
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: from Russell Wilson and if if you want to go

963
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: deeper and say McGlinchey and Powers aren't going to save

964
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: your offensive line. But like we tried to, we just

965
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: add stuff around him and like if if he flames out,

966
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: like I think, I think Russell Wilson has like twenty

967
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: twenty three Bronc a stripping excuse ten games to become

968
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: the other Russell Wilson, or do they'll bench him for

969
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: Jared'stnamer whoever else? Um, I'll throw out one and this

970
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: loser is way too strong, But it's more like hmm okay,

971
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl teams. Uh, the Chiefs obviously they they

972
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to pay Orlando Brown juniors. So I can't

973
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: like say, like, oh, they're losers because they didn't decide

974
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: that he was a marquee left tackle. But they're a

975
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: little vulnerable there. They they signed right tackle Juwan Taylor.

976
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: He might play the left side. Uh, Bill, I think

977
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: you wrote about this, um so I'll credit you on this.

978
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 1: He hasn't taken snaps at left tackle since high school.

979
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: Um So, it bat a couple a couple in college,

980
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: but he wasn't like a start right So I mean

981
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: now and now your job is to protect Patrick Mahomes's blindside,

982
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: arguably the greatest quarterback of his generation. I don't know

983
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: if that's their plan, but that's potentially their plan. They

984
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: also lost a key guy in want Thornhill to Cleveland.

985
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: The Eagles. The Eagles and the Eels. It's a trickier

986
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: situation for them because of the economics and how loaded

987
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: their roster was. And they've done a good job with

988
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: keeping certain guys in the building Jason Kelsey, Darius Slay, Bradberry.

989
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: They they got Fletcher Cox back who stayed. They did

990
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: lose though, Now that you'd take a look after Chauncey

991
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson leaves for the Lions, I saw that they've

992
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: lost five of nine players on defense who played at

993
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: least seven hundred snaps in twenty twenty two. I mean,

994
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: it's a big chunk of their You talk five hundred,

995
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: I got seven hundred here, Mark, that's data points. So

996
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: it's not going to be the same defense. It's not

997
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: gonna be the same team, and that's the economics of

998
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: the business. But both champions. I feel like a little

999
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: lesser right now, isn't it? POV Because I could find

1000
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: Howie roseman as a winning figure in the sense that,

1001
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: like he was, he was facing a really tough potential outcome,

1002
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: and you find a way to keep Bradberry, Slay, Brandon Gamp,

1003
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox. I love the Rashot Penny signing.

1004
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: It's like they didn't just go null and void and

1005
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: everyone hit the exit sign Like Howie rose always seems

1006
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 1: to find a way, and I trust that he'll continue

1007
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: to and make more trades around the draft like he

1008
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: did last year. It's like he's always working. Oh, he's

1009
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: definitely working. I mean the Rashot I don't like the

1010
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: Rashot Penny move as much as any everybody else. And

1011
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: I like Miles Sanders better, and he's out the door

1012
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: as well. What do you think on that one, Barnwell,

1013
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I see why you would say it. But

1014
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: for the Eagles, it kind of felt like they had

1015
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: to meet some cutbacks. Like it wasn't really a scenario

1016
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: where they could go and say, Okay, we're bringing the

1017
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: band back and we're also somehow paying Jyllen Hurts fifty

1018
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, like it's just not gonna work.

1019
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: They had to make cutbacks. With the Chiefs. The decisions

1020
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: they made were more of their own volition, right, Like,

1021
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like Orlando Brown signed this enormous,

1022
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: other worldly contract. I don't remember the exact specifics, but

1023
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: it's not like the Juan Taylor deal was for much more.

1024
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: Might even being a little bit more together, but you

1025
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: look at a Taylor's deal might be better. Yeah, Ryan,

1026
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: So you know, like like that is to me a

1027
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: more conscious session. Okay, we're gonna cut Frank Clark, We're

1028
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: gonna move on from Carlos Dunlap, We're going to move

1029
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: on from one Thornhill. We're going to let Andrew Wiley leave.

1030
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna let Orlando brownlee, We're gonna replace him with

1031
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: the right tackle who, like like you alluded to, it's

1032
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: really not played left tackle since high school. Like that

1033
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 1: is a more tangible decisions we're made in Kansas City

1034
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: than were made in Philadelphia, or Philadelphia was more about

1035
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: just we have, you know, people at travrod Harger's leading.

1036
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: We have no choice. We're losing the linebackers. We have

1037
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: to we have to make some cutback somewhere. But I

1038
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: think it's more difficult because they had to do something.

1039
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: The Chiefs didn't really have to make these changes and did,

1040
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: and they might be better for it, who knows, But

1041
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: I think it's more questionable there. They're putting a lot

1042
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: on on spags, like their entire defensive spending is Chris Jones,

1043
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: Eric read. I guess they brought in a Mena who

1044
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: was like a free agent one year deal, but other

1045
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: than that, it's like all rookie contracts are like low

1046
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: cost veterans. It's like that's that's sort of the other

1047
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: side of spending on offense. And and maybe he can

1048
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: handle it. It's like a better version of what the

1049
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: Rams are doing. Hell, I'm thrown out a loser. Raheem Morris.

1050
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: I mean they're setting up. They're setting up rad he

1051
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: Morris to fail. They're basically saying And Jordan Rodriguez reported

1052
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: on this look Sean mcvayson, offensive coach. I think I

1053
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: don't think they're done. They've been disappointing and Jet, if

1054
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: you're a Rams fan, it's been a terrible offseason because

1055
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: I thought they would be a little more aggressive and

1056
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: doing something that I think maybe there are some moves coming,

1057
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: but it really feels like it's coming on offense and

1058
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 1: they're just gonna be like, look, we got Aaron Donald

1059
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: still and we've got a good coordinator and Raheem Morris like,

1060
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: let's just throw stuff against the wall. There's more variants

1061
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: in defense and hope we come in twentieth because like

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00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: their second best defensive linemen now because they've lost Greg Gaines,

1063
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd Taylor, rap looks like he's out the door.

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00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: Scott Um, Bobby Wagner, Jalen Ramsey. This is just on

1065
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: the defense. Ashan Robinson, their second best offense defensive lineman,

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00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: now is probably Bobby Brown. Um, they're best linebackers, Ernest Jones.

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00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who their second one would be. Their

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00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: their cornerback one is dari Dcobe Durant Gooby Durant, good guess,

1069
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick from a year ago. It is

1070
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: as talent poor, like a side of the ball, as

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00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: almost you can find in the NFL. And that's crazy

1072
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: because Aaron Donaldson out side of the ball. It's just like,

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00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I had them. I had them as well,

1074
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: and mine was more like some of this kind of

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00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: comes off their plan right now. And they know what

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00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: they're doing. They got a ring, but it feels like

1077
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: a half measure right now. And and I don't know,

1078
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: they haven't committed totally to a tear down, but they're

1079
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: also put themselves in a much weaker position heading into

1080
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: the new season. And you have a thirty seven year

1081
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: old quarterback who just guarant locked into a guarantee of

1082
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: money that's gonna make sure he's on the roster. I

1083
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: just don't know kind of where the Rams are right

1084
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: now more. Matthew Stafford feels like an odd fit there.

1085
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: I just start right, that's a very strange landing spot.

1086
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: For him. Yeah, I mean, what would you guys do

1087
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: if you were the Rams. Do you lean further into

1088
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: this and you do trade Cooper Cup? Do you try

1089
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: to trade Aaron Donald? Are you trying to just get

1090
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: as many picks as possible, which ironic given the T shirt,

1091
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: but um, get any picks as possible and just lean

1092
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: all the way into it. Or do you think this

1093
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: is more of like a transition or were they They

1094
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: get rid of a lot of salary, they have a

1095
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: bad year, they get a high draft pick, and the

1096
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: next year they're back in signing players, going back into

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00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: you know, full on we're gonna win in the year

1098
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: and Donald Darren Mode. I think that's a plan. I

1099
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: think they kind of box themselves into a corner last

1100
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: year when they gave those contracts, the Stafford Cup and

1101
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: and who else Donald, Like all those got twenty two contracts.

1102
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean they got and their guaranteed money is still

1103
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: guaranteed this year, so they sort of have no choice,

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00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: That's right. It's been very quiet on the Alan Robinson front,

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00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: very frosty market, not a not a stunner. I think

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00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: they were hoping someone would pay like half his salary

1107
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 1: and that like that was the best that they could

1108
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: hope for a little bit like the Brandon Cooks deal,

1109
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: but maybe bad tape though. I mean that's yeah, it

1110
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: never got better really for him. No, anybody out you

1111
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: got a bill, you said you had more winners? Do

1112
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: you want to do kind of like a oh, did

1113
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: you have a loser? Mark? I mean, this is I'm

1114
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: not trying to gang up on a team that I

1115
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: continually um hammer. But I think a loser is Jonathan

1116
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: Cannon who goes to Arizona and is watching a team

1117
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: just be torn down before his eyes. Because you lose

1118
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, Byron Murphy, Zach Allen, JJ Watt retires, DeAndre

1119
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: Hopkins solved the door. You've got Kyler Murray, who to

1120
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: me stands out as the one quarterback that you've got

1121
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: to be concerned about his mood, his mental landscape, and

1122
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: if he if he's the kind of guy where things

1123
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: are starting to burn down around and he's watching players leave,

1124
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: he loses DeAndre Hopkins at some point here. It's just

1125
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: an ugly set up for a first year coach, even

1126
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: if he was told behind the scenes, we get it,

1127
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough this year. That's not how fans react.

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00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: It's like this is this was a playoff team two

1129
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: years ago. I mean a bit of a bit of

1130
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: a false god on that front. But at this point,

1131
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: the idea that they are this bad this quickly, Uh,

1132
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: it's really depressing. Kyler Murray is in this big contract

1133
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: and they're rebuilding around him. I don't like it. I

1134
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: can attest to that because I was at that Cardinals

1135
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: Rams playoff game with Zamalt and it was one of

1136
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: the grizzliest affairs I've ever watched in person in terms

1137
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: of like just disparity between two teams. That's their organization's

1138
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: a mess. That that was the false God game. I

1139
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: think now for perpetuity, I mean, I think they're sort

1140
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: of in the same boat as the Rams where they

1141
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: know they're not having Kyler Murray for a good So

1142
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: they lost forty seven seventeen to the Rams in there

1143
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: like high point. As an organization, that's a tough spot.

1144
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: It's a tough spot, yes, to be fair, also true,

1145
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: but I think they know Kyler is not going to

1146
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: be healthy or a good chunk of this year. Wouldn't

1147
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: be shocked if they just say, hey, Kyler just take

1148
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: the year off. You're good. We don't need you this year.

1149
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: Their roster is a mess, their cap situations and mess.

1150
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: They need to do this, like like, yes, they are

1151
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: losers in terms, so if they are not going to

1152
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: be a competitive team this year, it's not going to

1153
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: be fun to watch them. Their fans are going to

1154
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: be mad. But I think they have to have this

1155
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: happened to reset. They have to do the thing the

1156
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: Saints aren't doing or the Rams. You know, the Rams

1157
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: are kind of doing in last a lot of times,

1158
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: but like that reset of Okay, our CAP's gonna be fresh.

1159
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: Same think the Falcons did, same things the Bears did.

1160
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: But we have a quarterback we know in twenty twenty four,

1161
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: we bring Kyler back, we have cap space, we have

1162
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: some young players to work with around him, we'll feel

1163
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: pretty okay. I think that had to be what happened

1164
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: when he came in. And I think sort of similar

1165
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: to what's happening in Tennessee right now as well, with

1166
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: the choices they've made with their roster. Now, he's making

1167
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: me think the Cardinals might kind of be long range winners.

1168
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: And I'm starting differently about the whole thing. Well, I

1169
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: don't know about that, Like they haven't. They haven't treated

1170
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: like a first year head coach this poorly. Since they

1171
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: stuck Steve Wilkes with Josh Rosen and Steve Kimeez is

1172
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: GM that was a tough situation. Can we throw out

1173
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: one more winner? I at least want to get my

1174
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: biggest winner. I mean, I really am drinking. I don't know,

1175
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm drinking that Dolphins kool aid.

1176
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: I love it, Okay. I just feel like everything they

1177
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: did was smart. I think they had to give the

1178
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: fifth year option. We hadn't you know, officially talked about

1179
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: that on this show. I think they had to for

1180
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: two it's a low enough number. I just think they

1181
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: made the smart moves around the margins, Like the Jalen

1182
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: Ramsey move non quarterback division is to me, like the

1183
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: most impactful move any team would make this offseason. Vic

1184
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: Fangio with Jalen Ramsey, to me, is just beautiful. Vic

1185
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: Fangio from Josh Boyer is such an upgrade. I know

1186
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 1: that's not free agency, but just look at the group

1187
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be coaching up and then you look

1188
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: at the David Long signing. I really liked, and I

1189
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: like kind of just the moves along the margins, just

1190
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: like just little ones. Mike White like that as a backup,

1191
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: like Malik Reid, Deshaun Elliott, Barrios, like the guys who

1192
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: are just just take swings on, guys who at one

1193
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: point had like a medium starter level of ability. And

1194
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: they're coming off a bad year, but they've shown they

1195
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: can play at like an NFL level, and it's just

1196
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: relatively cheap bringing Moster and Wilson back. Don't spend too

1197
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: much at running back, like that's at a low level.

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01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: They just they knew they didn't have a first round

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01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: pick because their owner, uh you know, invited Tom Brady

1200
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: onto a boat and tried to hire him and Sean Payt,

1201
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's weirdly underrated. I think of

1202
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: the scene in Street Leo Welcome him, the FBI agent

1203
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: on the boat tossing money out at the end, same

1204
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: s they do not have a first round pick because

1205
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: of that. But but based on that, I feel like

1206
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: they set up this roster right now to like be

1207
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: a championship contender right now. I love him. Do you

1208
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: think Stephen Ross looks back and thinks that was worth

1209
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: a first round pick to have Tom Brady and kind

1210
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: of I could see the the the attraction to that

1211
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: well in retrospect, though it didn't quite bear much fruit

1212
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: for the organization. Anti fruit. I'd like to think that

1213
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: Steven Ross time feeling a lot of remorse over that.

1214
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: I just think he doesn't roll that way. Maybe you

1215
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm looking forward to, um Josh Allen and

1216
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers torching a over the hill. Jalen Ramsey and

1217
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: his head as he walks off the field clearly in decline.

1218
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: How old is Jalen Ramsey that this is like quick

1219
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley Award for like Todd Gurley's twenty six and

1220
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm shocked he can walk down the streets talked about

1221
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: they barely barely beat Skyler Thompson and the Dolphins. Forget

1222
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: about the defense too, It'll just be that offense. I

1223
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: think Mike White is a great pickup as a backup,

1224
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: because you know, we don't want to need it, but

1225
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna need a backup in Miami that could

1226
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: keep the offense functional. But yeah, I think Xavien Howard

1227
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: and Jalen Ramsey on papers like oh, that could be

1228
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: the best cornerback duo in the league, Javon holland Brandon Jones.

1229
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: They had some injuries at safety, like the secondary secondary.

1230
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: Don't be surprised if you're seeing a lot of head

1231
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: shaking from Jalen Ramsey and complaining to ref freeze this fall.

1232
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: That feels on brand. That was a little cold water

1233
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: on it, Greggy. Sorry, that's fine. I know that's the

1234
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: one team other than the Patriots that you just can't

1235
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: do for Bill. I got him in the top ten

1236
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: in the power rankings from Graver it was Javon Wims,

1237
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: Johnson way back wins, So that got him. Throws individuals,

1238
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: you go through a punch, through a punch, thought about

1239
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: it for a second, hit hit him in the helmet,

1240
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: and then I believe through a second one, which this, yeah,

1241
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: not a good IDEA. Second one's got to be once

1242
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: you your hands stinging and I know there's adrenaline pump,

1243
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: and second one's got to be a body blow. You

1244
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: gotta go to the solar fla somewhere else. Yeah, um, Bill,

1245
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: did you have anything else you wanted to add? Any

1246
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: other like winners, little speed round Barnwell or did we

1247
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: exhaust your list? I like the little Falcons. I think.

1248
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,439
Speaker 1: I like Falcons are doing to rebuild there. I thought

1249
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: the Raiders have done an okay job. Raiders off season's

1250
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: usually pretty bad, so either standards, this was a step

1251
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: in the right direction. Okay. And I'm a little concerned

1252
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: about the Panthers, Like I want to see what the

1253
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: other moves that fill in that roster are around that quarterback.

1254
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: But I'm not excited about Adam Feeling wide receiver one

1255
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: for my rookie quarterback. We'll see how it goes over

1256
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: the rest of the off season. Yeah, you got They're

1257
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: the team, Like I wouldn't say they're the perfect connections

1258
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: to the Jaguars because Lawrence is entering a second year,

1259
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: but they're the team this year that has added a

1260
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: ton of guys, so you might reflexibly back. Oh yeah,

1261
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: best off season, best free agency they've added, but we'll

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Speaker 1: see if it works out. They added Miles Sanders are

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Speaker 1: running back Feeling as we said, hayden Hurst. They signed

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Speaker 1: Von Bell at safety. They got Dalton as their backup

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Speaker 1: to whoever they take at number one, a quarterback, Shy

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Speaker 1: Tuttle a d tackle, So they've done a lot. Will

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Speaker 1: it make them a lot better. I have one question

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Speaker 1: for Bill. Do you think that the cults are that

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Speaker 1: these theories are floating out there with some of the cuts?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that they're gearing up for a bona

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Speaker 1: fide jim it swing at Lamar Jackson. Is that the

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Speaker 1: team that might be the final home for him? Uh?

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Speaker 1: I would say that Jim earsay contains multitudes, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's more likely that whatever cuts or roster moves

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Speaker 1: they're making, or space they're clearing out, it's more likely

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Speaker 1: that Jimmerson just wakes up one day and was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, I'd like one of those and just falls

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Speaker 1: and just just calls them signs into an officer sreet

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Speaker 1: without anybody else in the organization being consulted or making

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Speaker 1: a decision. So, I think applying logic to what is

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Speaker 1: going to happen with the Colts, it is maybe not

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Speaker 1: the degree of how how they've handled things in the

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Speaker 1: recent past. So I could see the logic, and if

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Speaker 1: it was another team, I'd say sure, But with the Colts,

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if it is. It's an exciting

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Speaker 1: thought that that Bill puts out there, because imagine if

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Speaker 1: what happened in twenty twenty two, with the cults as

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Speaker 1: unpredictable as they were way jeff Saturday situation station went

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Speaker 1: down in the quarterbacks and everything around the cults. What

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Speaker 1: if that was just the beginning of of ownerships ride

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Speaker 1: into a whole other realm, like a precursor to this

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Speaker 1: more enticing madness. What if that's not the outlier season.

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Speaker 1: What if it's just starting and we get another like

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Speaker 1: five years of total madness the sun like kind of

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Speaker 1: living out his father's legacy, like he tried to run

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Speaker 1: from it, tried to stay out of the mix forever.

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Speaker 1: And uh, sign up, daddy is Uh, Daddy is instructive.

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Speaker 1: Daddy's in the Mayflower truck. Um? All right, Bill? Do

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Speaker 1: you guys? Do you guys have names for your podcast episodes? No,

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Speaker 1: we're always hoping. I mean there are titles. Could we

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Speaker 1: call this one Daddy is instructive? Please? Well, you are

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Speaker 1: our guests. If we usually have quite boring nicknames, it

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Speaker 1: probably would have been free agency winners and losing how

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Speaker 1: about this? But I feel like Daddy is instructive. That

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Speaker 1: would be more fun. And see, I think we could do.

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Speaker 1: I think we could do. We could achieve everything we

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Speaker 1: want Daddy's is instructive colon free agency winners and losers.

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Speaker 1: I thought you, I thought you were gonna say Daddy

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Speaker 1: is instructive. That's also in play Bill. You've said it all.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Check out all Bill's content over

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Speaker 1: at ESPN, including a new calm. What is the hook

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Speaker 1: of the latest colm that will be up maybe when

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Speaker 1: people even hear this depends on whether Aaron Rodgers gets traded.

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Speaker 1: There may be something that's been in the can for

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, but if not, any finding some

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Speaker 1: fits for the remaining free agents and trade candidates who

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Speaker 1: are available only at esp and you know that's going

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Speaker 1: to be a banger Bill. Thank you very much. Thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: All right, there he goes Bill barn Well. I think

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Speaker 1: you should have approached him that night in the eatery

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Speaker 1: slash wherever you wear a bar room. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: seems like he's one of the most approachable individuals. There

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Speaker 1: was a little more like kind of a context to it.

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Speaker 1: We had gone out to dinner. We went to a

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Speaker 1: Mexican restaurant. I think Daddy had a couple of tequila sodas.

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Speaker 1: We thought we were gonna get a little later part

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Speaker 1: of the night, Daddy earlier there was a delay. The

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Speaker 1: party had moved and it was a little later that

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Speaker 1: said you left within about ninety seconds, M and I stayed. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I stayed for a while and got to got to

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Speaker 1: talk to all the people I wanted to. You've neatly

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Speaker 1: pumped yourself up as a real night owl, Greg as

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Speaker 1: as we all know you are. I did stay for

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Speaker 1: one drink. I talked. I talked with Harmon a lot.

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Speaker 1: I talked a little bit with because she she came over,

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Speaker 1: which was nice. Uh. Maybe maybe there were a couple

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Speaker 1: other people. But then Bill was he had a little corner.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you he had a nice time. I remember, well,

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Speaker 1: I would have joined you, but I was a little

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Speaker 1: bit late getting to Arizona and hadn't. But I had

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Speaker 1: flown in sitting next to Mena Kimes and had a

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Speaker 1: great conversation like I had my own, like, m, what

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Speaker 1: a night, what an evening. But She's like, we had

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Speaker 1: a fantastic convers I'm saying, like we I guess we

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Speaker 1: heard all the bases. We hit it all. I didn't

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Speaker 1: see Bill Barnwroe, though, but I would have gone up

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Speaker 1: and given him a big hug. I think big bear hug. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: missed opportunity. Yeah, all right. We'll be back on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Connie Fox will join us and we will talk more

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Speaker 1: about what's happening in this league coming up a little

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Speaker 1: later this week. By the way, I'm excited about this.

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Speaker 1: The New York Posts Andrew Marshawn when we take a

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Speaker 1: look at what is happening in the booths, what's happening

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Speaker 1: in the media world of the NFL. We like that.

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Speaker 1: It's like a media media segment with Andrew Marshan that

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Speaker 1: time of year. Yeah all right, thanks everybody. That was

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Speaker 1: a good showing by Rosenthal, having that you had the

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Speaker 1: drink and close down the bad boys. He the call