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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercam. I'm a mother of four,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On

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Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our

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Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode seventy five of Best

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Speaker 1: of Both Worlds. Today we're going to be talking with

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Speaker 1: Lisa Woodruff, who is the organizer behind Organized three sixty five.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of our listeners are very excited

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Speaker 1: will have some useful tips, and we'll also talk in

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Speaker 1: general about organization, which Sarah is looking at right now

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Speaker 1: because by the time this errors, hopefully her move will

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Speaker 1: be executed done in the books, because that's in early January, right, Sarah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as we stand today, I don't actually have a date,

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Speaker 1: to be very soon, and so organization wants to be honest,

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Speaker 1: It's always at the top of mind in the new year.

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Speaker 1: But I have an extra reason that I want to

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Speaker 1: be really intentional with where everything goes and kind of

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Speaker 1: that also powerful strategy of the clean slate in our

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Speaker 1: is organization. Yeah, so what does organization mean to you?

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Speaker 1: And we talk about this in the body of the

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Speaker 1: episode with Lisa, But what does it mean to you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm interested in your take as well, because

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Speaker 1: I know we see certain things differently. I feel like

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Speaker 1: there are like two major pieces of organization. There's the

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Speaker 1: have excess beyond what you need. And that part that

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Speaker 1: more mental side of organization in terms of thinking several

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Speaker 1: I probably myself tend to be better at the mental

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Speaker 1: I think that to me, organization is not about being

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Speaker 1: a funny an environmental waste, right, like to put everything

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Speaker 1: that also work. That is a great argument, although some

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Speaker 1: to welcome you to Best of Both Worlds. How about

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Speaker 1: you introduce yourself to our listeners. Oh my goodness, I

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Speaker 1: So I'm Lisa Woodruff I have a podcast called Organized

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Speaker 1: three sixty five, and for the last seven years, I've

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Speaker 1: in order to get them into that routine will really

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Speaker 1: help you. And then you just need to really resign

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Speaker 1: yourself to the fact that you are going to be

433
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Speaker 1: every three months pretty much going through everything your kids have.

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Speaker 1: So that would be for people with kids under five.

435
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Speaker 1: The other thing I tell people when they're starting to

436
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Speaker 1: organize is to always start with yourself, not your kids

437
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: or your spouse, because the organization that you start with

438
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: yourself will stick. Kids it's going to take. It took

439
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Speaker 1: me eighteen months to teach my daughter to clean her room,

440
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Speaker 1: and I started when she was eleven, Like, it was

441
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Speaker 1: a skill that was really really difficult for her to

442
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Speaker 1: learn with ADHD and learning disabilities. She could learn it,

443
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Speaker 1: but it just took more time than maybe it would

444
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Speaker 1: have taken with someone else. It's worth the investment of time,

445
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: but it's a significant investment of time, whereas if you

446
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Speaker 1: focus on yourself, I always say, start in the launder room.

447
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: No one's ever going to go in there, so keep

448
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: making that productive. Refine your laundry system, save time there,

449
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 1: save organization there. Then go to your closet. Refine your closet,

450
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: find out what you want your work uniform to be

451
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 1: at work and your work uniform to be at home,

452
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: and get rid of the clothes and things that don't

453
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 1: serve you. You will start to build your confidence and

454
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Speaker 1: self esteem. And nine times out of ten, your spouse

455
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: and your children will start to get organized right behind

456
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: you because they watch what you're doing, not what you're saying.

457
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Speaker 1: So like tackle the tackle the areas you have control over,

458
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: have these small winds, and then kind of hope to

459
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 1: build from the toy room is last. So my husband

460
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: was helping me organize the house once and the kids

461
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Speaker 1: were I don't know, they were school age, and he said, okay,

462
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: I will help you clean the house to stay. I

463
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: can't remember why. It's like the only time this ever happened.

464
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Speaker 1: I said, great, we do the family room last. He's like,

465
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Speaker 1: no, no no, no, I'm going to start in the family room.

466
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: I go, fine, but we do the family room last.

467
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Speaker 1: So I did like the bathrooms and the kitchens, and

468
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Speaker 1: he did the family room, and of course, you know,

469
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Speaker 1: eight hours later or whatever, he's like, this room is

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Speaker 1: a mess. I'm like, yes, this is why we do

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Speaker 1: it last, because the children are in this room and

472
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Speaker 1: they're moving stuff around. But see, the dishes are done,

473
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Speaker 1: the kitchen is, the laundry is done, the kitchen done.

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Speaker 1: Now we do the family room last, and then the

475
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Speaker 1: whole house is clean. So the kids are actually last,

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Speaker 1: They're not first. Yeah, they are little sources of disorganization

477
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Speaker 1: off and I'm trying to think back, you know what

478
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Speaker 1: it was. I think it is so you say that

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Speaker 1: this was just one role that we were incredibly consistent on,

480
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: and there's many other things that have not been consistent.

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Speaker 1: Like I find I've told them not to eat anywhere

482
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Speaker 1: but the kitchen, and I still find like wrappers all

483
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Speaker 1: over the house, as if they're like little rats everywhere.

484
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but they I think it's more of

485
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Speaker 1: because the downside of the shoes being somewhere else is

486
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Speaker 1: so you're late, big, yeah, that that you have to

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Speaker 1: They would just be like if it did find it

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Speaker 1: anywhere else? Like, no, immediately go back find the coatnywhere else? No, No,

489
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Speaker 1: that is not where it goes. It immediately goes back,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to leaving it and being like, uh, well,

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Speaker 1: I'll get to that later. The homework has been a

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Speaker 1: bit more of yeah, well the homework is a bit

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Speaker 1: more of a work in progress. But again it's just,

494
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Speaker 1: you know, it feels bad when the kid doesn't have

495
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Speaker 1: it at school, and it's not my problem that they

496
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Speaker 1: don't have it at school, So they've they've sort of

497
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Speaker 1: learned on that one too, that you know, you put

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Speaker 1: it right back in and then it's there. I know.

499
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Speaker 1: So you can't do it all like, you can't be like,

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Speaker 1: my whole entire house is going to be organized and

501
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: then I'm going to create these eighteen rules and we

502
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: are going to follow these and that's how it's going

503
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Speaker 1: to be, and I'm going to do it in twenty

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Speaker 1: one days. Sorry, No, it's going to take a year

505
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Speaker 1: to organize your house, and it's goo take longer for

506
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Speaker 1: everybody to maintain it. It's a learnable skill, but it's

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Speaker 1: not an instantaneous skill on that year estimated. So I've listened,

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Speaker 1: I love your podcast. Actually, I think it's really fun

509
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Speaker 1: to listen to U, especially while I'm cleaning. Somehow just

510
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Speaker 1: goes really well with that task. So motivation. I was wondering, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of your listeners do stay at

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Speaker 1: home with children or more sort of home focused, but

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Speaker 1: our audience is definitely many women with different types of careers.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like your programs are still doable if

515
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Speaker 1: you are, you know, very busy with something else as well?

516
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Speaker 1: Is there a way to chuck things up or spend

517
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Speaker 1: us you know, like maybe a slice of time in

518
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Speaker 1: the morning so that someone who is also, say an

519
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Speaker 1: attorney or a physician, could also kind of get a

520
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Speaker 1: handle on things. So that's so interesting because I thought

521
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: so too. I thought it was people who are listening

522
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: to my podcast we're at home, and it's not true.

523
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: They are very much entrepreneurs, corporate attorneys, doctors, all of that. Actually,

524
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Speaker 1: that doesn't surprise we have it because we're the ones

525
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Speaker 1: with so many wealth. Everyone has a lot of balls

526
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: in the air. But I can see again your podcast

527
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: appeals to me, and clearly I have that more structured lifestyle.

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00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: So okay, keep going. But that's that's very interesting. And

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Speaker 1: it appeals to literally seven to eighty seven year old

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Speaker 1: people like their children that write in their questions, and

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Speaker 1: people are in their twenties and thirties with young kids,

532
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: and then a lot of people that are baby boomers

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Speaker 1: and are downsizing and looking at second homes or multiple homes.

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Speaker 1: So the range of the podcast is literally seven year

535
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Speaker 1: olds to eighty seven, like we have all of them,

536
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: and it's pretty evenly distributed, like we have forty percent

537
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Speaker 1: that are forty to fifty five, but then we're even

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00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: with millennials and baby boomers twenty five percent and twenty

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Speaker 1: five percent, and then we have kids on top of that.

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Speaker 1: Now I forget what the question was. Oh yeah, so

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Speaker 1: it's more except for people who have a lot of

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Speaker 1: other things going on. So the way that I've divided

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00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: you're not in your house all that much. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: the way that I've divided up the year is everybody

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Speaker 1: does want a quick solution, And as a teacher, I

546
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Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's what you want, but here's what

547
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: you need, and I have a one hundred day program

548
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: where you have fifteen minutes a day where you go

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Speaker 1: through each of the sections. But some people do all

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Speaker 1: of the sections just on Saturday, and other people do

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Speaker 1: it every day of the week. And that also depends

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Speaker 1: on you know which kind you are based on how

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00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: you do laundry, Like, if you do a load a day,

554
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: you'll want to do fifteen minutes a day. If you're

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00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: like me and you do all the laundering one day,

556
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: you're going to do all the tasks in one day.

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00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: But it's a lifetime membership, and I encourage people to

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00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 1: go through it three times a year. We launch it

559
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: three times a year, and the same group of people

560
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: plus a few new ones go through every single time

561
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: we go through, and you look at the spaces in

562
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Speaker 1: your house differently each time you go through. And then

563
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: often people who are working away from home, they listen

564
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: to the podcast or think about the area that they're

565
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: going to organize on their commute, and then when they

566
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: get home, they spend less time at home physically in

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00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: the space organizing because they've done the mental in the car.

568
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: But people are at home do the mental and the

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Speaker 1: physical at home, So that's the biggest difference. Cool. Yeah,

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00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: I could totally see myself wanting to try your programs. Actually,

571
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: as we start in a new space, that's very very tempting,

572
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: so very cool to know to balance it with you finds. So, Lisa,

573
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Speaker 1: what have you've seen that's just not worth the time

574
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: if people are trying to get organized, what do people

575
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: put way more time into than it's probably worth it. Hmm,

576
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: that's a good question. So I'm a functional organizer, so

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Speaker 1: I don't spend a lot of time labeling things, although

578
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: if your kids are under five, I would encourage you

579
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: to label things because it'll look like a preschool. So

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00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't spend a lot of time labeling, and I

581
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: definitely don't spend a lot of time in decorating or

582
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Speaker 1: making it pretty, like I don't know, my home is

583
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: my home, but I don't spend a lot of time

584
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: in the decorating part. That makes sense. You can spend

585
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: a really lot of time labeling things if you are,

586
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: at least according to Instagram and some of the organizers

587
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: that are popular. When we were professionally organizing, like if

588
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: somebody said and I want it all labeled, I literally

589
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: would double the amount of time it took us to organize.

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00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: So if it's going to take us an hour to

591
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: organize that space, I'd be like, Okay, the space now

592
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: takes two hours hours because the labeling takes so much time.

593
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: Plus it maybe a loss of flexibility because it's kind

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Speaker 1: of harder to move things around once you've now designated,

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00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: Like these are the size three to six month clothes, Well,

596
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: guess what, your kid's not going to be in those

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00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: for more than about three months so or six weeks exactly.

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00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just gonna say if that, I think

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00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: we always went through that one in about two weeks

600
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: for whatever is, and they plumped up quickly at some

601
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Speaker 1: particular time in there. So, Lisa, organization is you know,

602
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: a hot topic in the media, especially you know around

603
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: New Year's you get a lot of like programs and

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Speaker 1: specials and magazine stories and all that. Are there any

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00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: particular you know, books or shows or magazines or blogs

606
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: that you follow that you'd like to recommend? Of course

607
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: all of yours, like all of your books, Laura. I

608
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: just had someone in yours. Well, I just had somebody

609
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: in my Facebook group. They're like, you can follow Okay,

610
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: we just got Laura's books. We can't read them over

611
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: winter break. So I love the way that you look

612
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: because your questioner look and think about time and all

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Speaker 1: of that I would say that book by Gretchen Rubin

614
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: about what you are, the Four Tendencies if you're a questioner,

615
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: that kind of just any really personality test that helps

616
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Speaker 1: you with how you think and look at the world,

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Speaker 1: and then also your family. Like when I did the

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Speaker 1: Four Tendencies of Gretchen Rubin, then I also figured out

619
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Speaker 1: what my husband and my kids are. So anything that

620
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: helps you with how your family processes information or space

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Speaker 1: will also help you. So knowing what their Strengths Finder

622
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: is or knowing what their Meyers Briggs is or any

623
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: of those are really going to help you. Because organization

624
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: is about how you see the world and how you

625
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: organize things, and you want your family to be able

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Speaker 1: to use that system as well. Very cool, all right, So,

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Speaker 1: lest the one thing we always like to know is

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Speaker 1: what a day in the life looks like for you now?

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Speaker 1: And I know you're not physically organizing your clients spaces anymore,

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Speaker 1: that you've transitioned into more of the program that people

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Speaker 1: subscribe to. So what does a day look like? That

632
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: is a good question. I have a couple of different

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Speaker 1: days for the most part. My kids are seventeen and eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I've won off at college, and then our junior in

635
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: high school, we decided to homeschool last minute, so I

636
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: homeschool her. And she just got her driver's license. So

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Speaker 1: I used to spend twenty five hours a week driving

638
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: and now I spend like two. So I'm home almost

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00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: all the time. I get up around My husband goes

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00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: off to work at seven fifteen, and I'm usually up

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Speaker 1: by seven fifteen, and I'm usually at my computer at eight,

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00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: and I get started with email, I make a coffee,

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Speaker 1: I make my daughter's protein smoothie, and then at nine

644
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: we get her started with schoolwork. And I usually have

645
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: Zoom meetings with my team members in the morning. I

646
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: have ten people on my team that help me with

647
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: organize three sixty five now, and then I go into

648
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: whatever the task of the day is. I am very focused,

649
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: and I sit at my computer usually until four thirty.

650
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: Like I'll break to do homeschooling, or I'll break to

651
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: get a salad and bring it back to my computer.

652
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: But I'm one of those people that can literally just

653
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: sit and work with no breaks, as is evidenced by

654
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: my fitbit that tracks no steps. And then around four thirty,

655
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: I say I'm going to get off the computer, and

656
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 1: I don't until like my husband literally pulls in the driveway,

657
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: and then usually fifteen minutes after and then around five

658
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: thirty I go downstairs and we I'm terrible at cooking,

659
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: we don't do great at dinner, but we have something

660
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: to eat and we talk usually until around seven, and

661
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: I usually sneak back on the computer from like seven

662
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: to nine thirty, but lately I haven't been. I've actually

663
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: been turning the computer off and then I'll binge some

664
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: TV show and do a jigsaw puzzle until I go

665
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: to bed. Say, there's nothing wrong with doing work if

666
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: it's what you enjoy doing. And I mean, the package

667
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: you're managing to homeschool at the same time as working

668
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: full time is pretty impressive. So there's an organization for

669
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: you people, all right, So, Lisa, I like it the

670
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: fitbit as a as a measure of focus rather than

671
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: a measure of a focused other than fifth, we don't

672
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: even get up to go to the bathroom, Lisa. We

673
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: also like to do as you you're a podcast listener,

674
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, a love of the week, so we can

675
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: go first, just so you have a little bit of

676
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: time to think about it. Sarah what's your love of

677
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: the week This week, I'm gonna go real random, and

678
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: we have discovered pretzel buns. Yes, so instead of a

679
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: burger bun, if you're doing like a veggie burger, any

680
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: kind of a burger, you can get these little pretzel

681
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: buns and whole foods and they make it like fifty

682
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: times better and the kids are obsessed with them and

683
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: I might be too. That's my level of the week. Yeah. Well,

684
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: since we're recording, we're actually recording this in December, even

685
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: though it's airing in January, so I've been in the

686
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: thick of present wrapping and I, as listeners to our

687
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: money episode, know, I'm kind of have this dread of Costco.

688
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: But the one thing that is cool about Costco is

689
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: the bulk sized wrapping paper, like you actually get through

690
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: a ton of presents on one role, as opposed to

691
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: those skimpy little roles you get elsewhere that you can

692
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: wrap like four things before you're out. So I think

693
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: I wrap like thirty gifts on the same role and

694
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: it's nowhere near done, so I would uh, that is

695
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: my love of the week is only having to which,

696
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: by the way, I have a wrapping station We have

697
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: a box in a closet that has we need pick paper,

698
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: gift bags which are reused for the most part, by

699
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: the way, tissue paper, and we keep you know, a

700
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: pair of scissors and tape there as well, so you know,

701
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: because you need it all the time, it's not like

702
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: it's a rare occurrence. And if you get something like

703
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: silver and wrapping paper, you can actually use it year round,

704
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: so it's not like a Christmas name. All right. Okay,

705
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: So the love of the week is service professionals. So

706
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: today I have a plumber out because we had a

707
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: link a leak under our kitchen sink for I'm not

708
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: even going to tell you how long, and finally I

709
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: was like, fine, they're going to come out and fix it. However,

710
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: he also fixed a basement faucet and replaced that, took

711
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: out our laundry tub because I don't want that, and

712
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: fixed our master bathroom sink that was draining too slow.

713
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: So when you have a service professional out, like I know,

714
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: it's expensive, all right, it's already expensive. You don't want

715
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: to spend the money. But once they're there, tell them

716
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: all all of the things that aren't working and then

717
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: just go through the whole list, like, just get rip

718
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: the band aid off. When we had an electrician out,

719
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: I had fourteen light fixtures changed at one time. It's

720
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: going to be expensive no matter when you do it,

721
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: so just get it all done at once. Yes, that's amazing,

722
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: very organized. A yeah, all right, well, Lisa, thank you

723
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: so much for being on. We really appreciate it. Thank you,

724
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: this was a pleasure, and remind our listeners where they

725
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: can find you real quick. So my website is organized

726
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: three sixty five dot com, the podcast is organized three

727
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: sixty five, and I'm organized three sixty five on all

728
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: social media. Awesome, thank you so much, Thank you. Well,

729
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: that was fascinating. We're glad that Lisa could come on

730
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: and share her organizing tips and hopefully people will go

731
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: check out organize three sixty five. Lots of information there

732
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: as well. So today's question comes from somebody who wants

733
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: to know about reading lists. So Sarah got this question

734
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: on Instagram, So please do post questions on Instagram. We're

735
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: happy to pick those out there too. This listener says,

736
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: I'd really like to hear about favorite or top recommended

737
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: parenting books from you, both both Infant early child development

738
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: and general how to parent books would be helpful. Just

739
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: found out I'm pregnant with my first woh, congratulations. Your

740
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: podcast has been inspiring me to confidently balance my profession

741
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: and being a great mom. All right, Sarah, I love that.

742
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: I love that comment, and I'm excited for that listener

743
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: as she embarks on a super fun journey. And I'm

744
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: excited that she's already listening to us to prepare. And

745
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: since she's listening to us, that's probably all she needs

746
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: to do. Now, I'm just kidding exactly. I actually i'd

747
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: be cool with that. That's sort of my answer, but anyway,

748
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: you give your more thoughtful answer first. Now, I will

749
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: also preface this like I was just when I started

750
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: to want to have children, and when I had children,

751
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: I was already a board sortied pediatrician, so I didn't

752
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: have as many as maybe the concrete questions like you

753
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: know about which vaccines or about you know, what is

754
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: a normal breathing rate for a newborn? But I just

755
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: sort of more for fun and just to get myself

756
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: into that world. My sister in law had handed me

757
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: a pile of books. I didn't buy any of them,

758
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: and one of them was one of those what to

759
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: expect type of books. It wasn't the actual what to Expect.

760
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: I believe it was the MAO Clinic Guide, and it

761
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: talked about pregnancy and just sort of the nuts and

762
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: bolts of you know, the things that you might talk

763
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: about your friends but you might miss, like you know,

764
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: what happens afterwards, Like do you have a month long period? Yes,

765
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: you might, and you know, all those sort of basics

766
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: are in that book, and things about like how often

767
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: do you need to breastfeed a baby when they're first born.

768
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: Like just seeing it written down made me not that

769
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: I was taking it as an instruction manual, but it

770
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: just put me a little bit into that world, and

771
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: I was excited to read about that world. So for me,

772
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: it was more for fun than as an instruction manual.

773
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: I do feel like I got a little bit more

774
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: out of the baby focused books. I really like Mark

775
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: white Spooth's sleep book, which is still popular today called

776
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child. Other people swear by other

777
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: sleep systems, but this one has a number of different

778
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: philosophies kind of built into one book, with a lot

779
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: of recommendations on you know, ranges of numbers of hours

780
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: of sleep, and I think I think it's a reasonably

781
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: balanced guide and reference and things like happiest baby on

782
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: the block to talk about like how to soothe your

783
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: baby Now. Your baby may not follow the instruction manual,

784
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: but it's nice to at least your baby may not

785
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: have read these books, by the way, but sometimes this

786
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: is nice to have a few tools that you can

787
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: at least start with. Now. Of course, in the day

788
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: the age of the Internet, you can pretty much google

789
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: everything and find like ninety zany and varying opinions on

790
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: any baby related topic. In fact, a fun game is

791
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: if you google like some random symptom and the word pregnancy,

792
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: you will find a message board with some woman that

793
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: had like my pinky tingled for ten weeks during all

794
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: of my pregnancies and actually only with the boys. So

795
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: it means that it's a you know what I mean,

796
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: like anything is out there, so you know, be careful there.

797
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: But if you just want to, you know, see someone

798
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: else write the same thing that you think you can,

799
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: you can find it. I will finally add that there

800
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: have been some more kind of narrative just fun reads

801
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: that I found later on, and I do have a

802
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: parenting book Club, So clearly there's something about that genre

803
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: that I think is interesting. But some of my favorites

804
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: were Bringing Up Babe by Pamela Druckerman. I read that

805
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: while I was pregnant, and it was just kind of fun.

806
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: I'll Join No Fun by Jennifer Senior, Battle Him with

807
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: the Tiger Mother by Amy Chua, Small Animals by Kim Brooks,

808
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: And one of the sort of more memorable quote unquote

809
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: how to parent books was something called Simplicity Parent by

810
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: Kim John Payne. I actually like that. Any of the

811
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: kind of discipline guide books sound really good when I'm

812
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: reading them, and they always have these vignettes where like

813
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: the kids they do the magical thing and the kid

814
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: all of a sudden is better and I tried at

815
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: home and it doesn't work. So maybe my kids are

816
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: just broken or I'm broken whatever, But those I tend

817
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: to have. No Unfortunately, that's not what it is. It's

818
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: just that there's very, very little in parenting books that

819
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: is researched right, that is based on assigning people to

820
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: different techniques and seeing what works like over a population.

821
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: So basically you're always just reading somebody's idea of what

822
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: might work right, and so it works with some kids,

823
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: and it doesn't work with others. And maybe it works

824
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: with your friend's kids or your sister's kids or whatever,

825
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: and your kids don't. I mean, it's just like, you know,

826
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: something like a sticker chart like that can work for

827
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: a kid who is very excited about getting the sticker

828
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: and pleasing the people who seem pleased that she cans

829
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: stuck better. Yeah, whereas your kid may not give a

830
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: crap about pleasing you, in which case you have a

831
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: very different personality kid. But that doesn't mean they're broken.

832
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: That just means that they're not going to be the

833
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: kind of person who likes to put the sticker on

834
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: things in the future. And there's upsides and downsides to that.

835
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: But you know, that doesn't mean that you're a bad parent.

836
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that they're a broken kid. It just

837
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: means they are who they are. And I think that's

838
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: that's always my beef with a lot of these books.

839
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: But I got to say, I'm not a big fan

840
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: of either the pregnancy or parenting book genre. My husband

841
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: bought What to Expect when we were expecting, and I

842
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: refuse to read it. I feel like, I mean, the

843
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: function of most pregnancy books is either to scare you

844
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: or to like have some sort of goddess type myth

845
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: that like, you know, it's just the magic because you're pregnant.

846
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: You're magic because you're pregnant, but then the magic is

847
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: apparently worn off if you get an epidural or something,

848
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: because that's the kind of mindset these things are in.

849
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's and then then the parenting front,

850
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: there's just the reality that you know, anything that's sort

851
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: of based on like how you're going to get your

852
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: kids to turn out right or turn out a certain

853
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: way is also just ridiculous, I mean, because so much

854
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: goes into how children turn out and there's no acceptable

855
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: endpoint variable of what means you turned out well and

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Speaker 1: turned out didn't turn out well, And so I mean

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Speaker 1: you could take heart that by the time you are

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Speaker 1: reading a parenting book, like so many things have gone right,

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Speaker 1: like your kid has a parent who cares about it,

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Speaker 1: your kid has a parent who wants to do a

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Speaker 1: good job. Like your kid is therefore among the luckiest

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Speaker 1: people on the planet, and your kid is going to

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Speaker 1: be fine, Like the parenting blank book could pretty much

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Speaker 1: you didn't mention this, but that you hang out with

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Speaker 1: friends with the little kids. You're going to learn so

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Speaker 1: much more through doing that than you will through reading

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Speaker 1: about It's it's you know, what they call an education.

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Speaker 1: I forget the phrase or the constructivism or what, but

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Speaker 1: just that you learn things when we need to know

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Speaker 1: them experiential and we learned them when we need to

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Speaker 1: know them. And so reading a textbook about how to

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Speaker 1: build something does very little for you is actually trying

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Speaker 1: to build it and seeing what works and what doesn't.

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Speaker 1: That does work. So hang out with the little kids.

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Speaker 1: You know, if they'll let you babysit them for a while,

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Speaker 1: that's great. Hopefully you are around friends and family who

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Speaker 1: have had kids. You've seen little kid maybe you did

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Speaker 1: a lot of babysitting. I know. That was my position,

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Speaker 1: is that I had already babysat for umpteen million children,

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Speaker 1: so I was I was cool with the idea of

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Speaker 1: how to change the diaper, you know, by the time

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Speaker 1: I just had a baby. Seriously, that's like a gold mine,

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Speaker 1: because number one, they're probably bored and they want adult company,

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Speaker 1: like if they're home on attorney leave. And number two, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can just like ask about everything as you see

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Speaker 1: it and practice kind of on that baby while giving

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Speaker 1: them all a break, so that I think would be

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Speaker 1: the best best thing to do if you can missing, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: and you can listen to this podcast yeah for our

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Speaker 1: helpful tips and tricks. Anyway, So this has been best

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Speaker 1: of both worlds. We've been talking organization and we will

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Speaker 1: be back next week with more on making work and

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Speaker 1: life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find me

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Speaker 1: Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the Underscore

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Speaker 1: shoe Box on Instagram, and you can find me Laura

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Speaker 1: at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best

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Speaker 1: of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for

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Speaker 1: more on making work and life work together.