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Speaker 1: Oh Hey, Hunting Collective. Back at You, Episode number seventy seven.

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Speaker 1: We are in September. Officially it is time for ELK

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Speaker 1: season here, White Tail seasons and other places, but we've

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Speaker 1: chosen to focus on the WAPD today on episode. In

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Speaker 1: the intro to the podcast, we gave a chance for

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Speaker 1: Cameron Haines and Sam Soholt to inspire us to hype

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Speaker 1: us up for ELK season as it is here, and

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Speaker 1: then Randy Newberg came in and interrupted us, and we

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Speaker 1: got a great interview with Randy about ELK, about hunting,

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Speaker 1: about life, about kids, about it, just about everything. As

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Speaker 1: Randy is one of my favorite people in the world.

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Speaker 1: And when you leave a conversation with Randy Newburgh, you

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Speaker 1: feel just a little bit inspired to go and do

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get excited for else season. Me and Phil

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Speaker 1: are coming in hot for episode enjoy. As I grew

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Speaker 1: up on an older road appared to the medals. I

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Speaker 1: always did what I told until I found out that

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Speaker 1: my brand new clothes a game second hand from the

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Speaker 1: rich kids next door. And I grew up bath like

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Speaker 1: it's I grew what I mean. They have a thousand

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Speaker 1: things inside of my head I wish I ain't seen,

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Speaker 1: and now I just wanted through a real bad dream

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Speaker 1: of being in like I'm coming a part of the scenes,

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Speaker 1: but thank you Jack Daniels. Hey, everybody, welcome to episode

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Speaker 1: seventy seven of the Hunting Collective. I'm Ben O'Brien and

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Speaker 1: I am excited. I'm hyped up. Phil. Do you feel

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Speaker 1: the electricity in the studio right now? Oh? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: can definitely feel something. You're feeling it. You're feeling it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Why are you excited? ELK Season? Whoa whoa whoa ELK season? Baby?

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Speaker 1: This is We're four days away from ELK season here

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Speaker 1: in Montana and ELK seems will be kicking off across

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Speaker 1: the country and the purpose of this show to day

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Speaker 1: is to hype you up for ELK season. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk all things ELK and we're gonna do first We're

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Speaker 1: not even gonna get into anything else. We're gonna do

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Speaker 1: a little round the horn. We're gonna call our favorite

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Speaker 1: alcuners from around the world, well really around the country,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna ask him. We're gonna ask him to

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Speaker 1: help us hype each other up, where are they hunting,

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Speaker 1: what are they doing, and then hype us up for this.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna call him right now. The first person

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Speaker 1: we're gonna call is one Cameron Haynes, and I'm We're

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Speaker 1: just gonna dial them and you're gonna hear the whole

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Speaker 1: process as Rawle could be. So here, we're gonna gonna

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Speaker 1: dial Cam right now. He's in Oregon, probably just got

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Speaker 1: done running, probably just got done lifting and shooting his son. True,

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Speaker 1: it was just to hear yesterday at the Meat Eater studio.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise this is all ruined. I think this is still good.

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Speaker 1: Hey Cam, what's up? Man? Now we're on the air

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Speaker 1: at that the Old Honey Collective and we're, um, we're

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Speaker 1: season upcoming season? Oh, I mean pretty high. You know,

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Speaker 1: if I have time, I'm going to get out. You

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Speaker 1: I was happy for that. That's awesome. And you guys

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Speaker 1: for the UM Army Ranger Fund, and then give them

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Speaker 1: cool truck and I mean some help. But I'm ready,

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Speaker 1: I'm ready. More high we got. We got roughly four

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Speaker 1: Do you have do you have one thing? Like, You've

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Speaker 1: hunt a year. Like, what's the thing? I know this

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Speaker 1: up on an older row. Hey Randy, what's up? Oh man?

421
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: Not a whole lot other than the fact that I'm

422
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: I have a break right now from two weeks in Nevada.

423
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: You see all this. I'm normally pale, confed, bronze. Yeah, yeah,

424
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm rather bronze thanks to the ninety degree tempts at

425
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: two weeks in Nevada. So I'm home for a week

426
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: and then it's launched. The launched the rocket Yeah, I'm

427
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: glad I caught you. Yea. When I text you, I'm like,

428
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: there's no way, it's impossible that he's gonna be I

429
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: was like, he's gonna be like, f no, man, I'm

430
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: out somewhere else. Actually, uh, it's a good break because

431
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: what happens in my cp A life. The world knows

432
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: that I'm in town for these four days, and everybody

433
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: wants a piece of my my time. Well, thanks for

434
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: coming to the old Mediator studio. You are this is

435
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: the first time you've seen it. What are your your thoughts?

436
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: Always have guests like kind of describe their surroundings, so

437
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: go for this is the kind of this. The color

438
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: of the acoustic curtains reminds me of nineteen seventies in

439
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: my my trailer house I grew up in. It's kind

440
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: of this butter scotch, like a dirty butter scotch. But

441
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: the acoustic artwork is top notch. I'm really impressed to that. Yeah,

442
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: we had other folks described like the forced perspective is

443
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: appealing or not appealing to Well, I really don't want

444
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: my crew to come here and see what how you

445
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: guys are set up, because we've got nine of us

446
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: stacked on top each other. We're like a lab rat

447
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: facility and we don't have all this acoustic stuff. So well, yeah,

448
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: by Marcus is like my neighbor. I hear that. I

449
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: heard like down the street. I'm just like a guy

450
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: that my next rime. Do you know the guy works

451
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: with Handy Newberg like market. Yeah, he lives right there.

452
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: It's like, oh cool man. When I picked him up

453
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: further Nevada trip, He's like, yeah, Ben lambs right there. Well,

454
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: I guess if ever you need anything, go over to

455
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: Ben the door. Yeah, I told him. He keys in

456
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: my garage. Man, the same drawings and getting there and

457
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: get the ripping. That's good. Well, and Phil, it's you know,

458
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: Phil gets a lot of credit for for this studio,

459
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: don't you, Phil. Yeah, I mean I pretty much. I

460
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: mean before I came in, it was still the headset,

461
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: Mike's very small table, no artwork. I can't take credit

462
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: for the artwork, unfortunately, but I can't take credit for

463
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: the table and the mics and the board and all

464
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: the new stuff. Yeah. Thanks Phil. Oh, you're welcome. You stay.

465
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: We're gonna give Phil a raise after this. I was

466
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, the guy he needs a raise.

467
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what he makes, but I just walk

468
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: around and give people a raise anyway. You know, I'm

469
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: no longer a s Yeah, I'm no longer an owner

470
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: at the c P A firm. I sold my partnership

471
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: interest a few years back. In I waka in there,

472
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: and if one of the employees does something good for me,

473
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, you get a raise, And the partners

474
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: are like, you can't do that. I'm like, well, I

475
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: just did. I just I'm leaving. I'm coming. Yeah. So

476
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: your Nevada hunt, you said it went well and not

477
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: so well and something yeah we did the first week

478
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: was archery meal there, and anyone who's hunted archery meal

479
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: there in Nevada knows it's it's not easy. I'm archery

480
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: meal here. It's just in general not easy. And then

481
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: Nevada's big, wild, nasty country. And then you add the

482
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: tamps in the nineties and lack of water, and you

483
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: really have to plan the logistics of Okay, if I

484
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: went in here and did an overnight or a backpack,

485
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: where am I going to get water for me and

486
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: the crew? And so, uh, we had some close encounters.

487
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: No one released an arrow. But that's it just seems

488
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: that Nevada meal there that has our number. I was

489
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: just gonna say, but that's just spot stalk meal deer

490
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: in general, especially this time of year. Yeah, I kind

491
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: of you kind of feel like you might be better

492
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: off find a water hole and set up setting up

493
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: a blind, you would, And I admire people who can

494
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: do that, But I don't have the mental makeup to

495
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: sit water. I try it once in a while, and

496
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm just think you would be a poor white tail

497
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: on it. I would, I would be. I'm just I

498
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not wired that way. So, and then

499
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: the week after that, we had a friend of ours

500
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: who he's done five deployments in his twenty years in

501
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: the Army, is in the e O D the Explosive

502
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: Ordnance Disposal Group i e. The Bomb squad, and when

503
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: you do that, you get a lot of concussions, you

504
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: get you had a lot of things. And so he's

505
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: been being treated for traumatic brain injury over the last

506
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: three or four years. And last year I invited him

507
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: on a bison hunt and he joined us. And so

508
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: this year I arranged for him to be able to

509
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: hunt wrong horn in Nevada, and he was it was.

510
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: So it's the most reward ring thing I've probably done

511
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: in my eleven years of producing outdoor content. That's awesome.

512
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 1: And you know how sometimes the planet's aligned. Yeah, it

513
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: took us four I think on the GPS it took

514
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: four point seven miles this stock on an antelope buck.

515
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: But when you see the size of the buck, it's

516
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: like Jack pop man, this is it couldn't worked out

517
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: any better. So probably won't come down from that experience

518
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: for us quite some time. Probably not. And he deserves

519
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: that and everything else he gets in life. Well, and

520
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: that's the that's the best part. Now he'll be able

521
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: to he has that memory, will have that film, I'm sure,

522
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: and then he'll have that on his wall at some

523
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: point you can look back on whenever he's having a

524
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: rough time with what he's going through and be like yeah,

525
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: yeah he as he said, And he said, you know,

526
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: this makes me feel normal again. And whatever I can

527
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: do to help someone like that feel normal, count me

528
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: in man. Yeah, I mean we were we were just

529
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: talking to Cam Haynes a little bit ago. Um. He

530
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: was getting us hyped up for ELK season as only

531
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: he can do. He got me like, I need to

532
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: start doing some pull ups in that and he was saying, like,

533
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: we're just so lucky to be able to do this stuff.

534
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: And there's moments like that when you can pass that

535
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: to somebody, especially those of us who get to do

536
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: it kind of for a job or for a job.

537
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's yeah, that's and it's going with

538
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: someone like that who has given so much to so

539
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: many and even now that he's back here, he's so

540
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: interested in helping others. Ah, helping that person feel real

541
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: again or have an experience that will be one of

542
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 1: those touchdowns they can go back to. I just I

543
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: have I just think about it. I get all excited

544
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: and smiling. And that I've heard it. I've heard it

545
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: articulated before where it's like, at some point in your

546
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: life it's going to be more rewarding to take other

547
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: people out and to go yourself. I was like, I

548
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: don't know that that. There's needs to be a point

549
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: in your life. It shouldn't always that way. There may

550
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: be a point in your life where you learned enough

551
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: that you're ready to take someone else out, but there's

552
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: never there doesn't have to be a moment, no matter

553
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: what you're doing, you should be able to help someone.

554
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: And I think that transition happens slowly where you don't

555
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: even realize that, kind of like your knee going bad,

556
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, our critic, It's like, how do my knee

557
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: get this? Right now, I am at that point in

558
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: my life where taking other people is by far more

559
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: rewarding than my own hunting. And don't get me wrong,

560
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty excited to go el Cotton this year,

561
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: uh and some of the other trips I have, But

562
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: there's just something about those special times, those friendships, the

563
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: relationships we build in hunting, and it's just everyone listening

564
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: knows what I'm talking about, And as you get to

565
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: a certain point, you just value that and and yearn

566
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: for that more than you request for your own fulfillment. Yeah.

567
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: Now I find myself prepping my son's will be three

568
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: here in a little bit. I find myself prepping for that.

569
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: Like when I'm hunting, I'm thinking of him being there,

570
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, him being like eight years from now, him

571
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: being there. What am I like? What am I doing

572
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: now that could transfer to that moment, because that's way

573
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: more important than any single thing that I might experience

574
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: right now for sure. And my wife says that many

575
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: times that my son's now nine, when he left the

576
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 1: house to go to college, she said, am I going

577
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: to have to rent you a teenager or something? Because

578
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: I just programmed myself for the prior probably ten years.

579
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: He was with me all the time when we're hunting,

580
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: and it became so much just our relationship and and

581
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: how that interaction happens, and the ups the downs, and

582
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: in hunting you get to see people at their best

583
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: and you get to see him at their worst. So

584
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: you're really it's a real character revealing opportunity when you

585
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: go hunting. And I can't wait for that because I

586
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: always you always try to describe it as this this

587
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: three dimensional experience that like when you're hunted with somebody,

588
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: your relationship with him is different than if you've just

589
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: gone out and had a drink and some dinner with

590
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: or anything. Really you have this like it's it's incredibly

591
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: hard to do, and the success feels different than other successes.

592
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 1: You know, if I write a good article, yeah it's

593
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: pretty insolint. But if me and you would Phil go

594
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: out and whack a big bull together and it took

595
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: a fifteen mile hike in and out to get there.

596
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: Like there's a brotherhood or you know, sisterhood or whatever

597
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: you would say. There's like a bond there and it's

598
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: hard to describe absolutely, And I think of all my

599
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: friendships that have been formed and strengthened through hunting experiences,

600
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: that they're the people that they're calling my foxholl friends

601
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: when the art jailer is coming in that I want

602
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: them in my fox Hill. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's what's

603
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: cool about this industry. Man. You can walk around these

604
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: trade shows and stuff and it's it's work, but you're

605
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: still like seeing people like you've had these crazy experiences

606
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: with um, you know, I'll see guys like col Crane

607
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: will be like, oh dude, we got so many stories

608
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: we can tell, and so to revisit those things is

609
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. But we were asking everybody, We're calling a

610
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: much people earlier and just asking them, like to describe

611
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: what an elk is. If an alien came down and

612
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: landed and and said, what does that thing like, how

613
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: would you describe? Because I've heard other more sharp people

614
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: than myself describe it in many ways, but I just

615
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: I also think people that live in New York City

616
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: might need they might know like the Yellowstone version of

617
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: an elk, But there's a different version of that animal

618
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: that you and I know and folks that have pursued

619
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: them intensely. No. Um, So, how like, how do you

620
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: describe this thing, oh man? In so many ways, whether

621
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: you describe it physically, whether you describe it or what

622
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: it represents. I suspect back in the old time of navigation,

623
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: when sailors would look for the mermaids in a lot

624
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: of respects, the the help to a hunter is the mermaid.

625
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: It's the It's what you've dreamed about, it's what you've

626
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: longed for, and it's in a lot of ways it

627
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: is really what you've dreamed of. But then there's also

628
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: parts of your dream where it's not that. Uh. It's

629
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: just if you could put together a Frankenstein animal that

630
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: has amazing uh scent capability, amazing escapement, adaptability to live

631
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: in places that humans are just so subpar on that landscape, uh,

632
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: and then you could put it together in a big

633
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: size of lots of unbelievable protein. At the end, it's

634
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: like the ultimate package. To me and I get that

635
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: sheep hunting and other things are are something you know,

636
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: different and in equally interesting. But I don't know if

637
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: I could create an animal that has more intrigued, more appeal,

638
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: more challenge than a public land elk. Well, when you

639
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: say it, when you say it that way, you know,

640
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: like a sheep for example, you know, when you hunt

641
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: a sheep, a big part of the lords the country

642
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: that they live in, because sheep are I mean, if

643
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: you're around on them, they're fairly docile, like they're you know,

644
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: they're spooky, but they're just hanging out. They're not doing

645
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: a whole lot of interesting things. There's other things like whitetail,

646
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: where it's the manipulation of the landscape sometimes that's the appeal.

647
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: There's other things like antelope worts that the spotting and stalking,

648
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: or that you know, their eyesight that's But with elk,

649
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: it's the elk that is the appeal. I feel like

650
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: it's the animal that's the main attraction. It's not where

651
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: it is or really anything else. And it's so hard

652
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: to describe what that's like around them, and especially at

653
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: the times of the year where we get to interact

654
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: with them vocally, there's very few hunts where you're interacting

655
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: with you a vocal manner, the way that you are

656
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: with Piste off running bull Alt who says, you know what,

657
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come over there. I'm tired of you, Pal,

658
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit you so hard your brother's teeth are

659
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: gonna fall out. And they come in. And it's not

660
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: just the audio effect, it's the vibration. It's the the intensity.

661
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: You cannot have an encounter or the bullouk under fifty

662
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: yards without your whole body feeling that experience. It shakes

663
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: your bones. In video, it doesn't no good. It does

664
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: not do it justice at all. So as much as

665
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: you know I've never heard a sheet coming, you know,

666
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: the threatened, or come into a call a white tail.

667
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: Maybe you know you'll get a little bit of grunting,

668
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: but there's just so And maybe I'm biased because I

669
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: live here and I spend so much time chasing out,

670
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: but there is something about alc the when the creator

671
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: said we're going to make this magical animal that hunters

672
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: are going to lose a lot of sleep over and

673
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: spend billions of collective dollars pursuing and trying to develop

674
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: gadgets and gizmos to improve their success. The creator made

675
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: the wappatine the wappetite. Yeah, and I find that like

676
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: in thinking about them in tin shops, like it's a

677
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: giant forest horse, as their friend once or says, often

678
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: with swords growing out of its head. Those swords like

679
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: a fastigial bone growth that fall off every year and

680
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: then then come back bigger the older the animal gets

681
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: most times at least, and so like, just even to

682
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: describe that version of it is pretty insane. And then

683
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: what we do as hunters is talk to them using

684
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: their language. We manipulate their language to make them feel

685
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: like we are one of them. Like that is it's

686
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: just a to describe that to someone who has that

687
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't understand the concept is insane to me. And

688
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: the other beauty I think about because their adaptability across

689
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: landscapes where in the last in my lifetime, they have

690
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 1: become an animal of the average person, that white tail

691
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: where when I was growing up, When I was growing up,

692
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: elk were something that only those of of privilege or

693
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: geography or finances had as a realistic dream. Now there's

694
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: no hunter in America who cannot reasonably set their sights

695
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: on the idea of a public land olkume. Yeah, yeah,

696
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: and all that together and what what what more could

697
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: you add to elk and elk hunting to improve it?

698
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: I just yeah, And I grew up on the East Coast.

699
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: I had a lot of friends back there that's c elk,

700
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: and I did. As a kid, I saw elk as

701
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: this as this mythical creature. And then when you start

702
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: to realize, well, elk or native to my to Maryland,

703
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: the mountains of Maryland where I grew up hunting, there's

704
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: been a few hundred years since they've been there, but

705
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: the eastern elk is native there, and and they at

706
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: some point in the mountains of the green Ridge Mountains

707
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: where I grew up hunting, tried to reintroduce elk, much

708
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: like they did in Pennsylvania and again turned down. But

709
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: you realize once you're on't you understand the plans and

710
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: and really what what you're all about, and what this company, too,

711
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: was all about, that it's this, this, this magical thing

712
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: that's accessible to anyone should they want to, you know,

713
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: listen to what you have to say, or find someone

714
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: to mentor them and get them there. It's not that

715
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: far away. It's really not. It is within the grasp

716
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: of anyone who desires to do it. So what's there

717
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: you You were talking earlier about six years of ah, yeah,

718
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: sixty years of failure, six years of failure that now

719
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: being able to reflect on it twenty years later was

720
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: the best learning experience I could have ever had to

721
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: become an Elk hunter. I always thought it was that

722
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: time where uh media was starting to emerge, and I

723
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: consumed every piece of media I could about elk cunning

724
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: and most of them are focused on selling some new item.

725
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: This is this will solve your problem? Wow. I Uh,

726
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: I got really frustrated because there were I moved to

727
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: Bozeman and I I was lucky. My wife said I

728
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: want to move there, and we came here on our honeymoon,

729
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: so here we go. Uh in n we came here

730
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: on our honeymoon. And obviously killing it now became my

731
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: just It occupied my all waking thoughts. Uh. If if

732
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: anybody ever comes to Boseman, you'll see that. Ever, if

733
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 1: I ever have a real day where I'm really stressed

734
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: out or tied up in something, and then I get

735
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: going on the highway towards my house and I look

736
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: over to the Bridge of Mountains. I'm like, oh, ELK

737
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: lived there, and they're like right there, right, So how

738
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: could you not be tied up in right? And So

739
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: I spent six years doing every stupid thing you could

740
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: think of, and then believing that if I bought enough

741
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: gadgets somehow that would bridge the gap to success. That

742
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: did not work, just cost me a lot of money.

743
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: And I got to the point where if one is good,

744
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: two is good, or so by two or three of

745
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: whatever that gadget was, I was the marketers dream person.

746
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: And finally I got frustrated and I sat down. I

747
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: still remember this. It was I don't want to say

748
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: it's an epiphany. It was more out of frustration that

749
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: I gotta figure this out because it's driving me crazy.

750
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: And I started thinking, well, growing up in northern Minnesota,

751
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: I learned how to fish walleyes. It was so intuitive.

752
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: Since I was a kid, I knew walleye fishing. I

753
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: moved out West fish reservoirs for walleyes. Why can't I

754
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: catch walleyes pretty much anywhere, any place, any time of year.

755
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: And I got to thinking, well, it's because I intuitively

756
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: know a lot about walleyes. I know where they're at

757
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: at certain times of the year. I know what their

758
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: needs are, and those needs drive where the walleye are

759
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: going to be. So I is crez. I wish it

760
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: would have kept kind of sketches of my diagrams and

761
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: flow charts. But I said, all right, I'm do the

762
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: same thing with alk. What are their needs? So I

763
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: get this book written by Jack Ward Tom It's called

764
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: elkinouch Ecology. Uh. It was out of print, uh, and

765
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: I started really promoting it. And I don't know if

766
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: it's because I've treated as the elk Bible, but it's

767
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: now back in print at the Wildlife Management Institute. Don't

768
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: buy it on eBay because it's like foreigner bucks. You

769
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: can get up for forty bucks at w m I.

770
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: So I read that book and it goes into so

771
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: much about what elk need. So I said, all right,

772
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: here there are four basic needs food, water, sanctuary or survival,

773
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. And then a season

774
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: will need a breeding. All right, what that's gonna much

775
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: like walleyes. That's gonna drive them to certain places on

776
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: the landscape at certain times of the year. So I

777
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: come up with these five periods of out cutting early season,

778
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: which is mostly August, pre rut, peak rut, post rut

779
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: in late season, and then I prioritize where are these

780
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: what are the needs in each of those four seasons.

781
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: So I go through that whole exercise. I'm like, all right,

782
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: Montana elk season opens this year in the post rep period.

783
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: I think sanctuary is their number one need. In the

784
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: post rout period, I go down to this grizzly bear

785
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: infested place where I know that there's not gonna be

786
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: a lot of hunting pressure. Opening morning, I shoot my

787
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: first ball out. I'm like, why didn't I do that

788
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: six years ago? And it's not like that was all

789
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden I ticket wherever year you're gonna kill

790
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: a bullock. But it opened my eyes that Randy, you've

791
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: been trying to shortcut this. You did not know enough

792
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: about elk And yeah, you had some bad luck along

793
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: the way, but you didn't do your homework. You did

794
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: not become a student of the elk. Since then, it's

795
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: elk hunting has become so much easier when I treat

796
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: it in that basic manner and break it down to

797
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: the point that an elk has a need and el

798
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: can't do anything randomly. They the risk in the investment

799
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: of their scarce resources to just randomly do things means

800
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: you're going to die if you're an elk. So they

801
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: do everything purposefully. So I got to think about what's

802
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: the purposeful event or activity or time phase or seasonal

803
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: phase that is going to cause an elk to be

804
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: at a certain place and where is that certain place? Yeah,

805
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: but because most elk, most the elk you're hunter in

806
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: the wilderness, there's there's not as much conditioning happening. You know,

807
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: right that white tails are conditioned in different ways. We

808
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: come in and build a house and they move right.

809
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: But most elk, most not all, of course, but most

810
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: elk is, especially in the back country setting, don't have

811
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: that same stimuli. They're not being conditioned to move. They're

812
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: moving pretty freely in the landscape, so they're they're able

813
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: to develop these habituating the way. And so once I

814
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: broke it out in that manner, the other thing I

815
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: realized is, and this is over years of people asking

816
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: me questions, because of just the accessibility of our media platforms,

817
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: is the number one reason that I and others don't

818
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: feel our olkkay is we have not figured out how

819
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: to consistently find ELK in the time frame that we

820
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: have our tag, the season day, in the location that

821
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: we have our tag for, And so I have to

822
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: make that as simple as possible. And this is the

823
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: accountant in me. Everything's got to kind of have a

824
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: little checklist it, right. Uh. And now that I've approached

825
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: it from that standpoint, consistently finding ELK, it is a

826
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: whole lot easier. And don't get me wrong, I still

827
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: have my days where it's like where they go and

828
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: they get wings and fly away, but I know they're here. Uh.

829
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: And so for me, it's a very systematic approach because

830
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: we when we go to a place, and very often

831
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: we're going to a place we've never been to, we

832
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: have five days. We we get there and I say,

833
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: we figured it out, sorted out, pack it out. That's

834
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: what we gotta do in five days. And when you

835
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: do that, you can't rely on random luck. You better

836
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: have a strategy or at least a system that you

837
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: fall back to when things get tough. And so that's

838
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: six years. I can't even tell you how many lessons

839
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: I learned in six years of failure. And the other

840
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: thing it helped me with in el khunning. Elk hunting

841
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: is very frustrating. Elk hunning is very difficult, very challenging,

842
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: and you can have people I think, that come to

843
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: elk hunting with the belief that oh there's going to

844
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: be like I saw it on a video. No way

845
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: it is. It is like really really a challenge, and

846
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: it allowed me that six years of failure, I think

847
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: built a pretty big callous on my psyche about get ready, rady,

848
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: this is tough stuff. You're gonna get humbled, you're gonna

849
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: get defeated, you're gonna get your ass handed to you.

850
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: And I think that if there's if there's a benefit

851
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: of failing for six consecutive years, is that it really

852
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: toughens your your mental approach to well and like you said,

853
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: a callous on your and like that your psyche ist.

854
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: It's a great way to put it too, because you

855
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: get you have to have that and I'd like our

856
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: mutual and how Herring was describing it to me like

857
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: learning a language. It was like, you have to and

858
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: that's what I feel like you're describing, not even not

859
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: only the language of the actual animal, but the language

860
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: of the landscape. You have to learn a place like

861
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: you learn language. You gotta start by learning you know

862
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: the most important words, and then and then on and

863
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: on and on you go, and eventually you're fluid in

864
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: that language and you're able to walk out there, look

865
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: at the landscape and be like, ELK are gonna be

866
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: right there? Yeah? And I used to get mad when

867
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: I didn't find ELK. Now what pisses me off when

868
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm out there if I screw up an encounter. But

869
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't get mad because I'm not having encounters every day.

870
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: It's back at camp in the tans. It's like, all right,

871
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: what is going on? What am I missing? What am

872
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: I not thinking about? What's different? Why am I trying

873
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: to apply strategy B when really it seems like maybe

874
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: I should be doing the strategy JH. So every day

875
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: that I don't have an encounter to me is another

876
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: learning about. But I do get pretty upset. I want

877
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: to fumble. We'll just you know, do all that work,

878
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh no, I would let that

879
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: step through our fingers. Well we're talking about that in

880
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: the office here and me personally just now moving to Montana,

881
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: I really want to do it the slow way, like

882
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: if you if if that makes sense, like wanting to

883
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: understand pick up, pick a valley, pick a drainage, pick

884
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: it all my own. I don't want anybody like, go this,

885
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: there's elk in this valley. Okay, great, that's fine, thank you.

886
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: I'll go there at the end of season. If I

887
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: just really hungry would have it. He helped me. But

888
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: like I want to go to a place, I want

889
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: to I want to read it, I want to learn it.

890
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: I want to find the elk and learn what they're

891
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: doing and then have that intellectual property for my own

892
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: so I can say that I've done that. If I

893
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: don't do that, if I just grab a spot or

894
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: away point from one of the many folks in the

895
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: office that have them, I don't know what I'll learn.

896
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: I might learn elk behavior maybe, but I'm not gonna

897
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: learn what I could if I just go after it.

898
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: You know, and it's true, do it yourself, since yeah,

899
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: and you probably get the same as I do. People

900
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: are like, well, can you tell me where to go?

901
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: Or can you give me a general location? And we

902
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 1: don't ever do that. We say we're trying to give

903
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: you tools where you can analyze this make effective decisions

904
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: when you're out there, because hunting in itself, and elk

905
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: hunting especially is and I tell people this is the

906
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: best business tool you could ever have, is to be

907
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: an elk hunter. You are bringing in volumes of information

908
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: and you're processing it instantaneously, and you're making decision after decision.

909
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: You may not realize that, and so the goal of

910
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: what we try to do is provide information that allows

911
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: people to do that process quicker and have better outcomes

912
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: as they as they process this volume of information. You

913
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 1: think about when you leave the truck in the morning.

914
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: You're interpreting the thermals. You're interpreting hunting pressure, the temperature,

915
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: the moon phase, the season of the year, what you

916
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: smell for you know, have they been through here? And

917
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,959
Speaker 1: you're interpreting rubs, the rate of track. Okay, the sun

918
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: is going to do this during the day. If you

919
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: sat and thought about every decision tree you have, you

920
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: just in one day of l hunting, it looked like

921
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 1: programming this space shuttle or something. I mean, I just

922
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: just got back from it failing an antelope punning, and

923
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: I just we didn't. We failed for many reasons, whether

924
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: among them but like and I had two good stocks

925
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: and within those stocks, like you know I'm crawling, you're crawling, okay,

926
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: get up here and draw, like make range now, Like,

927
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: don't even worry about ranging. You're too close, like those

928
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: little decision trees are. It's just like, as someone who

929
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: overthinks things, I is interesting to me, Like I find

930
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: like I want to talk to people about, Like had

931
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: I just laid there for twenty minutes instead of like

932
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: jumped up and tried to fling one, who knows what

933
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: would have happened. It's like the infinite possibilities of this

934
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: stuff is it's intriguing to me. Yeah, and you know

935
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: that for me, there's sometimes I get lucky too. I

936
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: mean in every endeavor in life, I don't care if

937
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: it's fishing, hunting, or golf skiing. There are some days

938
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: you get more than you deserve, and there are some

939
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: days you don't get what you feel you deserve. And

940
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: I try not to let the days where something falls

941
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: on my lap make me feel like I get this

942
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: figured out, because as quick as you do that, then

943
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: the next three trips you're not gonna see crap and

944
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna I guess I don't have this figured out.

945
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: It's so hard if you would boil down. The social

946
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: media makes it even harder, I feel, because if you

947
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: would boil down to the moments of failure felt by

948
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: every elk hunter in this month of September, millions, trillions,

949
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: maybe even like the moments where like I sucked that

950
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: up trillions. I don't know how you could even count

951
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: the number of moments of failure, but you can count

952
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: the number of moments of success like that there that

953
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: we could go out and count those and be like, well,

954
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: that's this many. And you see that on social media,

955
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: you like get to capture just the moments of success.

956
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: Mostly some people are nice enough to be like I failed,

957
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: But so everybody's looking around, every new hunters looking around like, wow,

958
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, look at those eleven people killed elk last week.

959
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: Oh my feed. Yeah, but that's those eleven people experienced

960
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: hundreds of moments of failure. Yeah, I forgot about the

961
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: nine ninety others who didn't have success that ended up

962
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: stomping and cussing and swearing and yelling at their their

963
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: bad luck. And I just think that just social media,

964
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: the way that set up. I think that's just what

965
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: it is, you know, it's not an accurate portrayal. An

966
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: interesting experiment we did on our YouTube channel is last year,

967
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: my uncle who's my age, we went to New Mexico.

968
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: We drew these really cool tags and we had six

969
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: days of very high temperatures, really tough elk hunting, and

970
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: we just showed, you know, we're struggling, we're moving. We

971
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: had this plan. It didn't work out at all. And

972
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: the number of people who've watched that is way more

973
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: than I expected. In the number of people who have

974
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: commented of thanks for showing that not everybody ends up

975
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: with an elk at the end. Uh So, I think

976
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: for those of us who produce media, it's easy to

977
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: get caught up in always wanting to show the happy ending.

978
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know what's real valuable showing a

979
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: string jump or showing like showing something that happens just

980
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: as often or more often than elkint and actually killed.

981
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it's a funny. It's a funny diconomy

982
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: where we are now where you're like, it's out season

983
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: and sure enough people are gonna start killing elk and

984
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna show up there and you're just sitting back

985
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: thinking I'm the worst, the absolute worst. I'm just I'm

986
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: like you were just saying, man, you know, how is

987
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: it that Katie grew up in a little logging town

988
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: in northern Minnesota who dreamed of al khunting some day.

989
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: I thought I'd have to win the lottery to go

990
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: al khunting. I get to do it multiple times a year.

991
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: What a country. That's all I can say. I live

992
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 1: in the greatest country in the world, and I'm so

993
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: grateful to be able to go and do that. I

994
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: don't take it for granted. It doesn't make sense to me.

995
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't and I feel like I was talking to

996
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: my wife that last week and I was like, we

997
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: should feel like we're the O'Brien's, we should feel like pioneers.

998
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: Now we didn't come across in a covered wagon. We

999
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: went in the U haul truck. But still like, the

1000
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: O'Brien's of Maryland have never come this far west. And

1001
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not. I'm still not. You know,

1002
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's any part of me that

1003
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: takes that for granted, that knows that that like this

1004
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: is a even for my family. Most of my family

1005
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: lived in one small area in Maryland. So it's like

1006
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: even for that one very small example, like I'm doing something,

1007
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: but then you just of all the people that can

1008
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: go hunting and have an opportunity to pursue multiple times

1009
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: a year and go all over and do these things.

1010
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a it's a mind blower. Yeah.

1011
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: I if people would have let me craft my dream

1012
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: of my life when I was fourteen, when we're out

1013
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: thinking I'm gonna be there, you know, a billionaire, I

1014
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: would have my mind couldn't even have went to what

1015
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: I have for a wonderful life today. And I think

1016
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: a lot of people if they sat and thought about that, Wow,

1017
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: I get to hunt elk in my backyard or I

1018
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: get to this or I mean, that's the good old days.

1019
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: If you if you're a hunter and you want to

1020
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: work at it and if you make it your priority today,

1021
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: are it is the good old days? Yeah, We've been

1022
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: saying that a lot around here. I mean it really

1023
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: really is. It is. I met you know, every I

1024
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 1: think every time I'm at the airport, either getting coming

1025
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: home or picking someone up or whatever, I run into

1026
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: someone who either I know or knows me from this

1027
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: or whatever. That's like, I'm coming here for I just

1028
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: ran into a guy last week's it. I think b

1029
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: H a Pennsylvania. I think he was. He was telling

1030
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: me and he was here just He's like, my wife

1031
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: and I are going to scout for elk like you

1032
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: guys hunting. He's like, no, we just just want to

1033
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: see some elk. Like next year, I think we'll come.

1034
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna stay in a fire tower and we're just

1035
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 1: gonna be in Montana. And the only way we knew

1036
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: that is because people around b H told us that

1037
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: this was possible. And now here we are, I'm like, good,

1038
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: good on you man. Go out there and stomp it up.

1039
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: That's what that's what you should be doing. Yeah, it's

1040
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's just because of where I'm

1041
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: at aid wise and in the path I've traveled. Is uh.

1042
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: I'm very reflective about that stuff now, and I just

1043
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to take it for granted. My wife

1044
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: is convinced that I want to spend every dime we

1045
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: have dying borderline penniless at the end and spend it

1046
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: all on hunting, and can't you Yeah, and she, much

1047
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: to her credit, and I don't know how I deserved this,

1048
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: but she's encouraging me. She's like, you know what, you

1049
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: have no guarantees, No one has any guarantees. Go do

1050
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: it all right, see you in four months, Darren. Yeah. Oh,

1051
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, my dad's why my dad when

1052
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: he was at like my age now, because I find

1053
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: myself kind of bouncing back and forth the time these days.

1054
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: Like my dad took a lot of time off hunting

1055
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and then my wife's pregnant

1056
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: with baby number two, and like during the time when

1057
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: there were two little babies running around, my dad's like,

1058
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: I gotta focus on this and has some business and

1059
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: took some time off of hunting, and then talking to

1060
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: my wife, he's like, no, no, you need to remain

1061
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: saying you need to remain cogent, and like you can't

1062
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: do that without hunting. Yeah, it's like this weird medicine

1063
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: that we've that we have to have to have. If

1064
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: you don't have it, nothing works. No. I She used

1065
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: to when when she was trying to understand this hunting

1066
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: problem I had, she would say, I don't understand it,

1067
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: but you're a different person when you come home, so

1068
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: just go do it. And then she started hunting. Uh,

1069
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: and she's like, Okay, I get it now. And obviously

1070
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: when my son was in school and at home, they're

1071
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: in a way, I would travel and be gone like

1072
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: I am now. So anyone listening, don't think that I'm

1073
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: advocating that you should be gone for four months and leave.

1074
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: The kids will be there when you get back. Yeah,

1075
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: we can skype them. Yeah, don't bet on that. But

1076
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: that's part of the reason. Like, if I'm moving him

1077
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: on town, I'm like, I could just run out then,

1078
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: do you know a two day hunt and come back.

1079
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't have to leave for ten days. That's there's

1080
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: some beauty in the proximity piece, at least where I

1081
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: am in my life. But the beauty for me this year,

1082
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: we've got some amazing outcounts that we're gonna do. I'm

1083
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: going into a place I've I've driven by over a

1084
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: hundred times probably and I've always said someday I'm going

1085
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: in there. I got four Lomas. I'm going in there

1086
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: this year. And then one of my other hunts is

1087
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: the place I've been, it's where I killed my first bull, Elk.

1088
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm going in there with some friends and it's a

1089
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: little bit of nostalgia, kind of like when you go

1090
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,919
Speaker 1: back to the little pond you grew up fishing blue

1091
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 1: girls on. Yeah, it's uh so, I'm gonna be doing

1092
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: some of that, and then I'm helping my mom has

1093
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: six brothers, her two, two of our older brothers. I'm

1094
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: taking each of them on al Kansas here. One of

1095
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: Wyoming went to New Mexico. Uh really really excited about that.

1096
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: And then uh me and Marcus at our office we

1097
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: got cow owt tags in Wyoming. Minds inn either sex,

1098
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: But I think we're just going down there in December

1099
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: it's cow ow time because we want to make cow

1100
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: ow cunting. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking there's a stigma

1101
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: about cowow counting, but I I get that. The where

1102
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: I've developed that feeling that there might be is how

1103
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: many people say, well, it's only a cow, that's it.

1104
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: Don't when they say only a cow, I want to say, please,

1105
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: don't say that. This is an unbelievable creature, an animal

1106
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: that has senses beyond what we will ever have. And yeah,

1107
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: they might be at times easier to to tag, just

1108
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: because of the way they've been forced into a landscape

1109
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: there on the margins of their habitat the way that

1110
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: the cows have to conduct their daily lives and the

1111
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: fact they maybe aren't subject as my running pressure. Maybe

1112
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: it seems like they're a little bit easier. I want

1113
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: to make cowol conning cool. That's our ain. Yeah, if

1114
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: it was ever cool? Well, yeah, I mean I think

1115
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: that's when when we talk about trophy hunting or like

1116
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: we lost after certain things and one thing we just

1117
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: don't lust after that. But it's man even it's not

1118
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: just utilitarian. It can be it's still held counting. Yeah,

1119
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: it's and it's you think about all the purposes that

1120
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: it fills your freezer with amazing meat. It helps with conservation,

1121
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: it helps with wildlife management, it helps build your skills,

1122
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: it extends your season, and a lot of instances, it's

1123
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: you don't gotta worry about taxidermy bills. Yeah, they're just yeah.

1124
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: And I feel that i've you know, the content we produced,

1125
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: We've never shown a cow outcun and I feel partly

1126
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: responsible for that. So I and it's kind of like

1127
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: been this awakening Randy, how did you get this far

1128
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: down the road without doing a cow owcunt? You knuckle

1129
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: head and a lot of times we've been out on

1130
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: haunts where I've had a cow tag, but we have

1131
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: a guest hunter, and it's more focused on making you know,

1132
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: the guest hunters hunt what it could be. And I

1133
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 1: just came to the realization, you know what, Yeah, I'm

1134
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: going to show people. I get pretty excited about cole

1135
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: al kunning. Don't take this wrong, and yeah, yeah, I

1136
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: mean I think it's it's a great way. And we

1137
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: always said, like the way you're describing me, like, oh,

1138
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: we'll take new hunters calw hunting because it's so easy

1139
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: and it's something but and depending on where you're going,

1140
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: it could be just as tough as finding a big bull.

1141
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: You know, you're I think you're just like you're less selective.

1142
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: But there's there's like some principles of wildlife management buried

1143
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: in there that you can better appreciate during a cow hunt.

1144
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there's other things that you can focus in on. Right,

1145
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: this is board and whether I'm hunting antlers or antlern

1146
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: list animals. My number one priority for why I hunt

1147
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: goes back to when I grew up food, So cowl counting,

1148
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: check slap box. Okay, I go there because I want

1149
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: to connect with the natural world, like I checks that box,

1150
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: all right. I like to see new places, whether it's

1151
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: a new little drainage near my home that I haven't

1152
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: hiked into, or it's wyoming in place I'm not on

1153
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: it there it checks that box, all right. I'm contributing

1154
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: to the funding of wildlife conservation. It checks that box.

1155
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: It it checks every box, so I'm I'm there. Is

1156
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: it saves you on the taxi rybill, GE's the same

1157
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: amount of meat. Basically, you gotta worry about like glass

1158
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: at them for for is he a six point bull? No? No,

1159
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: it just it's a cow. Yeah, that's a cow. Got

1160
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: bad news for your baby, But you're gonna get the

1161
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: victory lap home to month and coming back to month. No.

1162
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: My dad very much like that. He reached out when

1163
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: earlier this year's it's I want to come home on

1164
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: elk and I think I just want a cow. Why

1165
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: But if it's an east I don't know. I just

1166
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: want to start by shooting cal And I think he's

1167
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: very much thinking the same way. I want to go

1168
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: out there and experience the animal and the landscape and

1169
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: not have to be worried about whether it's a four

1170
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: point bull or six point bull or whatever. I just

1171
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: want to go out there, bring the meat home, which

1172
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: is very important to him because I know elk around

1173
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: where he lives, and and start that way, like it's

1174
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: a it's a great way to kind of just focus

1175
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: on those things forget about what what's on top of

1176
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,479
Speaker 1: the animal's head and just go about go about your

1177
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: your hunt that in that manner. I mean, that's a

1178
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: damn important way to experience it. Man if I go,

1179
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: do it, please go. I encourage everybody, whether it's your

1180
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: dad whoever. Yeah, if that's what you want out of it,

1181
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: go do it and don't look back. So yeah, and

1182
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: so you have a podcast with Corey Jacobson one on

1183
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: one yeah, or course platforms which is his platform on

1184
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: platforms are He's yeah, um, if you're a new elk hunter,

1185
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: that's a nice place to go. And then the Elk

1186
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: Talk podcast that was something that the Rocky mountainol Foundation

1187
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: had kind of been asking me, Hey, can you do

1188
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: you already do your hunt Talk podcast? Will you do

1189
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: another one about elk? And uh? I was on their

1190
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: board for six years. I'm like, look, when I get

1191
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: off the board, you know, we'll do it because sometimes

1192
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: I say and do things that I don't want. I

1193
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: don't want to treat it into this great organization you

1194
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: guys do. You guys don't deserve the baggage I might

1195
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: bring to the process. So yeah, Corey and I now

1196
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: we're let's see, I think we're on episode thirty thirty

1197
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: four or something like that. We've been doing it. It's

1198
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: a bi weekly one that that we put out and

1199
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: we've been doing it a little over a year. It's

1200
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: a great podcast, and it's you know, there's there's again,

1201
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: you could do a thousand episodes on that kind of

1202
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: not cover cover at all. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you

1203
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: get a lot of feedback, so I'm interested. You know,

1204
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: in your world, what's the one of the things people

1205
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: are asking the most? You find that it's people that

1206
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: are asking those one on one questions the most, or

1207
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, even you know, your podcast is for for

1208
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: every l hunter, but I'm sure that there's different you know,

1209
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: dichotomies and different people that are asking different things. Yeah,

1210
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: we we have to ask your questions here spot out

1211
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: on our website for the podcast, and a lot of

1212
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: the questions come from people that I'll say are somewhere

1213
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: at the beginner to intermediate, and and a lot of

1214
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: them just say, like, I've been hunting out for three years,

1215
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: all right, I'm new to al counting or whatever. So

1216
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: I use that as the gauge. And the questions again

1217
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: are and I see myself on a lot of these

1218
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: questions when I'm talking about that six years of failure.

1219
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: A lot of them are, well, I want to go

1220
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: buy this? What would you recommend? And a lot of times,

1221
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: if I have time to respond to them, I'll say,

1222
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, go buy a book, Go do some research,

1223
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:59,479
Speaker 1: go google the starky experimental forest elk studies. You're gonna

1224
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: get way more are out of your time and money

1225
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,479
Speaker 1: doing that than you are buying this. Do dad, which

1226
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: probably some of my sponsors are like Granny sell them everything, man.

1227
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: So uh. But I'd say those questions a lot are

1228
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: about uh calling techniques, and I think, uh, if there

1229
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: is a pinnacle to elk hunting, it is calling them. Uh.

1230
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: Corey is the expert. So I to most of those

1231
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: questions Corey. Uh. And there's a lot of them though

1232
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: about just basic things of camp set up or what

1233
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: do I do when I shoot one? I'm worried it's

1234
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: going to spoil um things about you know, certain times

1235
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: of the year. Why am I not finding Elk? I

1236
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: went and scouted him in July and they were everywhere.

1237
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: I came back in October and they aren't anywhere to

1238
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: be found. Well, because I'll move across the landscape to

1239
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: satisfy their need at that time of year, and their

1240
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: need in July is different than their need in October.

1241
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: And so I read those questions and every one of

1242
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: them seem like, Yeah, I've been there and done that,

1243
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: I've made that mistake, or I've had that struggle or

1244
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: that challenge. Uh So it's for he and I. It's

1245
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: really helpful to get those questions. We read them all,

1246
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: but when you're getting a hundreds of them, you can't

1247
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: reply to them all. So we try to. We take

1248
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: them and we categorize them into certain topics, and then

1249
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: we do a podcast on it, Like we just did

1250
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: a podcast last week that's about how do I take

1251
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: care of an elk in the hot seasons of August

1252
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: and September. Okay, here's what we do. The podcast earlier

1253
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: in August that we did was strictly about cow el

1254
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: kunning it's an hour and a half of cow al

1255
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: hunting questions. Um. And so we take those readers or

1256
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: those listener questions, we put them in a bit of

1257
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: an outline. But I'm not good at outlines. I mean

1258
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: kind of like you, man, I see what you're outline

1259
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: and you don't even have un know So we uh,

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01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: we try to do that. There's not surprisingly there are

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01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: fewer gear questions then I thought there would be. That's

1262
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: what that was one of my questions because here we

1263
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: get every once in a while you don't talk off

1264
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: about gear, But I don't know that it's that's this

1265
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: platform or your platform with the way that we approach

1266
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: the thing, or is that just people are There's more

1267
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: to know and more to learn. And once you've el

1268
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: kind a little, but you understand that knowing the animal,

1269
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: knowing the landscape, knowing how to take care of the meat,

1270
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: understand how to call those things are first and foremost.

1271
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: Those are paramount to Once you've got that a good

1272
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: grasp on that, then start worrying about the equipment stuff.

1273
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: And I know, on my sponsoring like Randy, wait a second, yeah,

1274
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: but that's that's really how I feel about it. And

1275
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: so Uh, if you span the whole width of of

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01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: those questions. UM, I was surprised that fewer of them

1277
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: are about equipment than I probably would have expected. Uh.

1278
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: And we don't get a lot of questions from people

1279
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: who say, know, I've hunted out for twenty years or

1280
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: what about this? Um? And I don't know if that's

1281
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: part of the male ego we just and I shouldn't

1282
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: say male, but the hunters ego, uh, where we're just

1283
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: not good at saying, you know, I've been doing this

1284
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: twenty year and I still can't. I can't. Yeah, I

1285
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: can't imagine that I'll ever have a time where I'm

1286
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: done asking questions me either. I'm I mean, I make

1287
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: so many stupid mistakes. It's it's just laughable. You think,

1288
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 1: all right, and you've been doing this how long? And

1289
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: I still make so many stupid mistakes. And you know

1290
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: that's what it's about, making the being willing to make

1291
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: all those mistakes until you finally figure it out. Yeah.

1292
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: And one of the other things that if the benefit

1293
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: of having done it for a number of years is

1294
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm more comfortable conducting a what's is probably a laughable

1295
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: experiment and accepting that you know that's probably isn't gonna work.

1296
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: But every once in a while you do one of

1297
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: those experiments that someone on the outside is gonna say,

1298
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: that's the dumbest thing I think I've ever seeing an

1299
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 1: elk gun or dude, and it worked, and the kind

1300
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: of puff your chest down, like, yeah, see, I'm a trailblazer.

1301
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: Name change the show name, but that that podcast we

1302
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say the topics are the majority of them

1303
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: are our listener driven. Yeah, that's good, and listen to it.

1304
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 1: It's it's clear because it's clear that there's like a

1305
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: feedback loop that's happening. It's not just you guys talking

1306
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: about whatever it is you want to talk about. So

1307
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: it's it's funny to me because we get we get

1308
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: that here too. You know how that affects the way

1309
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: you hunter, How that affects the way you think when

1310
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: you're hunting. You know the process of wanting to be

1311
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 1: able to answer those questions changes your own like your

1312
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: own way thinking about hunting when you're out there, like

1313
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: a better better do this in a way where I

1314
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: can articulated somebody else. Yeah, And we try to interject

1315
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of our personalities in it. Corey is

1316
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: an engineer by training and I'm an accountant by training.

1317
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: So you think, man, there's gonna be the most boring

1318
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 1: thing in the world. But you know, for me, I

1319
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: got certain issues that really are part of the reason

1320
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: I hunt out because because it's also a grouse season, uh,

1321
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: which this year, I'm happy here in Montana. I'm here

1322
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: the first two days of gross season and elk season

1323
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: is not open, So I'm going gross uting Sunday, Monday, Sunday.

1324
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna, We're gonna we got a gross on play. Yeah,

1325
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 1: I I shut I shut down everything for grouse, even

1326
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: and it drives Corey nuts. I love gross. We'll be

1327
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: hunting together and there's a grouse and I'm just like

1328
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: a dog that smelled something. I love seeing a gross man.

1329
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: I love hearing I love it. I love hearing him.

1330
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: I love seeing them. So we we try to interject

1331
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: some of those kind of quirkinesses of our personalities. And

1332
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: this year, you know, Corey's the expert on calling out,

1333
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: and that's usually archery season. He's coming up to Montana,

1334
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: him and buddy Donnie Drake. They're coming up and we're

1335
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: going on a rifle hunt and they're like, what do

1336
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 1: we do with this? Yeah, and then we just shoot him. Yeah,

1337
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: you're not gonna call him in. But the good part

1338
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: is when you find him, you don't got to get

1339
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: him within forty yards. It's gonna be Yeah, he's gonna

1340
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: be a put putt course of the feeling for that. Yeah.

1341
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 1: But I guess one of the things would be interesting

1342
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: is what you guys get for ELK questions and feedback?

1343
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: Is it? Yeah? I mean I think we certainly. We

1344
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: just start a podcast with Remy Warren where we went

1345
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: through some real what I would consider deep dive calling strategies.

1346
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: You know what he calls dogging elk, which are which

1347
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: is you know, just if you got a bullets bogling

1348
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: and pushing his cows away from you, you're gonna you're

1349
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: gonna essentially run catch up with him, get above him,

1350
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 1: call to him, piss him off, and get him charged

1351
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 1: in at you. You know. And as I you know,

1352
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: it's guys like Remy and Corey and yourself that like

1353
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: have enough, especially Remy as a guide and somebody when

1354
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: your job is to make an outcome close so somebody

1355
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: get a shot at it, you have and you do

1356
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: that every year, and that's your job you have. And

1357
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: from spending time with Remy helping him produce that podcast,

1358
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: I've learned you know that he speaks language because he's

1359
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:06,839
Speaker 1: not doing his job. If he hasn't hasn't obtained that ability,

1360
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: which he has so and in doing that, we've still

1361
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: seen we just launched the first A three part with him,

1362
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: we've still seen a lot of one on one questions

1363
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: that come in even in even in what I would

1364
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: say like is an advanced tactic that he's covering there.

1365
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 1: And so I know that our audience, like we a

1366
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 1: lot of times we're talking about thought processes and ideas

1367
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: and just kind of having intellectual debates. But when we

1368
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: get into the actual nuts and bolts of hunting, it

1369
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: really comes down to a lot of people wanting to

1370
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: know where to start, you know, and where to go

1371
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: and how to how to how to understand what this

1372
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: even is. And that really comes back to like some

1373
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: things that we might take for granted that we have

1374
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: to step back and say, listen, if we're going to

1375
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: write a how to thing, it can't be how to

1376
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: dog elk or you know, how to call an aggressive

1377
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: herd bull off his cows can't be that really will

1378
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: provide that. But a lot of what people want is

1379
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: how to get started l cunning? What are the best

1380
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 1: states for al hunting? Once I draw a tag? What

1381
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: do I do now? Um? How to draw tags? What

1382
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 1: is a tag? Those types of things. I would say

1383
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: drawn tag is one of the big questions we get.

1384
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: So that's why I last winter, during what we call

1385
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: tag season, we covered every Western state. Here's how you

1386
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: get a tag, and then we I've done a bunch

1387
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: of content already this summer of Okay, you didn't draw

1388
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 1: a tag, here's a bunch over the counter optionists. Because

1389
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer if you live in the United

1390
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,520
Speaker 1: States and you're able to save a couple thousand dollars

1391
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: in your budget every couple of years, you should go

1392
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: elk hunting at least every other year. There's an opportunity

1393
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: in a place for you to do that. And I

1394
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: feel that's part of the information that I want to

1395
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: get out there, is to let people know you can

1396
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 1: go do this, and once you start doing it, it's,

1397
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, the needles in and then it's over. Yeah,

1398
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: we were talking about the private land public land kind

1399
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: of debate as much as it is a debate, or

1400
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: it isn't at least like the difference between the two cultures.

1401
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 1: You're like, come out a I'm a private land hunter.

1402
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 1: I own my own property or at lease a property

1403
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: with some buddies, whatever that might be in the South

1404
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: and the East where that's prevalent. I'm just saying, guys,

1405
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: if you if you're on a lease in Louisiana for

1406
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: deer hunting with four people, if you pull your money

1407
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: together and everybody puts in like seven hundred bucks, you

1408
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: can all get in the truck and drive to Colorado

1409
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: and go elk hunting every year. And so it's not

1410
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: that there's there's literally no difference between the cultures. It's

1411
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: just what are you willing to do? You know, and

1412
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 1: so grat you know, you go to fresh Tracks, you

1413
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: go to your YouTube channel, you go to your social

1414
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: you come to this platform. Whatever you need to do,

1415
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: go find the information and go and do it because

1416
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: the access is there and the tags are there, and

1417
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: so there really is to me, no difference between I'm

1418
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: I've had at least properties in Maryland and Illinois and Texas. Um,

1419
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: there's no difference. It's just like, what what do you

1420
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: want to do? What's the version of hunting that you desire?

1421
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: And like you said, once you start the whole When

1422
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,560
Speaker 1: I lived in Texas, the whole Texas p H a

1423
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 1: chapter that all they did was go to Colorado. And

1424
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: that was because you're like, why do you have a

1425
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: public lands group in Texas? Like what will we just

1426
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: go we all get together and go west. And I

1427
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: tell people, you know, if you have access to private land,

1428
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: your a fool. If you don't take advantage of it,

1429
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: con't do it. And uh, but I just I mostly

1430
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: want people to go hunting, and I want them to

1431
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: experience helk cutting. And if you read the Y of

1432
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: our platforms when we started in two thousand eight, the

1433
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: Y is to promote self guided public land hunting and

1434
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: create advocates for that. Cause there is no type of

1435
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: activity I know of that creates advocates to a deeper

1436
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: level than chasing elk out on your public lands. If

1437
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,560
Speaker 1: you want to create a public land advocate, hunting advocate,

1438
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: get them out chasing elk on the public lands for

1439
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: the first two or three times in there. It's just

1440
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: like I was when I first started hunting elk it's

1441
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: a eye opening just nearing the headlights. Look, it's it's

1442
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 1: but it's oh man, why did season close? I needed

1443
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: another two months? And and then you're s they're calling

1444
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 1: Randy up at night. It's two in the morning, Randy

1445
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: crack addic, Randy, I got, I got the elk shakes?

1446
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: Can you blow up calcohol into the phone? I know

1447
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you do almost have this withdrawal period,

1448
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 1: and but that for me, uh, elk hunting is the

1449
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: best way to create advocates for public lands and for hunting.

1450
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: And that's why we do a lot of And here's

1451
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: something that I've found. I wanted your perspective on it.

1452
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: That people come to that moment and in a lot

1453
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: of different ways. Some people might come to it. I've

1454
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: had a lot of people in this podcast, some you know,

1455
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: Brooklyn natives that barely ever leave the city, that just

1456
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: have like a wonder lust and don't even understand what

1457
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 1: it is, don't really appreciate the natural world, haven't spent

1458
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: much time in it. They're not they don't have this

1459
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: connection that they're trying to fill there. Just they're curious.

1460
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 1: They wonder what might be out there. So if you

1461
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: take them and you set them down and you show

1462
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: them that experience, they're going to be blown away. There

1463
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: may be other people that are the just haven't been

1464
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: around a culture of hunting, but they do love the

1465
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: natural world. They do love birds, they do love this,

1466
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: they do love landscapes and large predators and all those things.

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01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 1: So there's different ways to get people to the point

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01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about. No matter what happens next, they're going

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01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: to be advocates. But I mean, you've taken a bunch

1470
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 1: of new hunters out there, how do you find that

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01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: they get to that point? Because I've I've taken urban

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01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: nights that don't never even thought about what havelina is

1473
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,560
Speaker 1: and then next thing they know, they're they got the

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01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: crosshairs on the front shoulder of one. And I've taking

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01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 1: people who are um like taxidermists but who just don't hunt,

1476
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: who understand the animals and understand the landscape, and they

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01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: come into it differently. So I'm sure that there's you

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01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: have examples as perspective on just like how people get

1479
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: to that moment, because there's a lot that goes into

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01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: and we get so many requests and questions about that. Hey,

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01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 1: I've been watching your stuff, or I'm really interested in

1482
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: the food aspects. I'm I really love being out in

1483
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: these wild places. Can you help me? How do I

1484
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: how do I get to hunting? Uh? And it is

1485
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: very daunting for someone who I think those of us

1486
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 1: who grew up in a hunting culture, hunting families, we

1487
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 1: take for granted what we were learning via osmosis as

1488
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: we were youngsters. By the time we're twelve, we know

1489
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: we're handy with a compass, we know how to take

1490
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: care of an animal, we know the difference between gauges

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01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: and calibers. And I mean we talk in a in

1492
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: a language that to the outsider, you would swear we

1493
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 1: were speaking some newly invented language. Like if you would

1494
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: when I was thirteen years old, you could hand me

1495
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: like a buck folding knife and I would get it

1496
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: out of the sheath, would take it out. I'd like,

1497
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: where's the deer? Yeah, and I would go and we

1498
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: could get the deer. But you could take a thirty

1499
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: five year old from any urban setting and hand him

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01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: a buck knife and they wouldn't know what to do. Yeah.

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01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: And so one of the things I've realized is we

1502
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: do you know, we in the hunting world, we talk

1503
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: about recruit, retain, and reactivate. Throughout our three We do

1504
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: a pretty good job of recruiting because we're running six

1505
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: six hundred to seven hundred and fifty thousand new hunters

1506
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: through hunter Head every year. Where we're falling down is

1507
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: retaining because if you take those hunter Ed graduates within

1508
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: five years, we've lost about of them in many instances.

1509
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: So the International Hunter Education Association came to me and said, hey,

1510
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: can you help us produce content that it might seem

1511
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,799
Speaker 1: overly basic to you and your audience, But the number

1512
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: one hurdle that we think why we're losing these hunters,

1513
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,839
Speaker 1: and some of them don't ever buy their first license,

1514
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: but if they buy their first license, you lose more

1515
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: who don't buy a second or a third. The number

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01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 1: one reason they feel that we're losing them is lack

1517
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: of information. The hurdles are so high, and nobody's out

1518
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: there providing information to lower those hurdles. So in early

1519
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: August they launched their platform. It's called hunters Connect. It's

1520
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: an Instagram page, it's a YouTube channel. Uh and if

1521
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 1: anybody this is a selfless plug on there beyond, if

1522
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: anybody is let's into this and wants to go share information.

1523
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: That's basic, but it's helpful for new hunters who didn't

1524
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 1: have the benefit of us. You know that you and

1525
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: I and others. I hope they go check it out

1526
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: because it's an it's an effort to really shore up

1527
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: where we're falling short. We're reactivating well, we're recruiting well,

1528
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: but retaining and retaining is providing opportunity. And there's some

1529
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: good groups out there doing mentorship programs and stuff like that.

1530
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 1: But that's that's not as scalable as you'd like it

1531
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: to be. But information. A lot of these people that

1532
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: we're talking about that we mentioned who are coming to hunting,

1533
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 1: they're accustomed to consuming information digitally. What do they do?

1534
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: Google it? Google it, get a YouTube video? How do I,

1535
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, change the oil in my rig? Watch YouTube

1536
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: video for a lot of them. So we're trying to

1537
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: use those existing media consumption platforms where they're already at

1538
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: they're already comfortable. Let's get it out there. Let's get

1539
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: them information that lowers these hurdles. Yeah, and that's that's

1540
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, we we all we make media. You do,

1541
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,919
Speaker 1: I do? This company does it could be seen as competitive,

1542
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: but not to me in this case. This this is

1543
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 1: like we want I'm here, you know, I'm here for

1544
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, but the number one reason is

1545
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: because hunting has done something for me that nothing, nothing

1546
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: else in my life has done. And I want more

1547
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: people to have that. And whatever I gotta do to

1548
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 1: make that happen, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen for

1549
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: me because I'm gonna push it. Um, yeah, I mean

1550
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 1: my business card, Ben says Randy Newberg, Come a hunter.

1551
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: It used to say, come a c p A. And uh,

1552
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm proud of that business card. Man. That's that's

1553
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 1: what that was my ultimate That is the ultimate business card. Yeah.

1554
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 1: I handed to people. They look at it like, oh man,

1555
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: I wish I would have thought of that. And I

1556
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: can't take credit for one of my CPA clients got

1557
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 1: tired of never being able to get ahold of me

1558
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: and hunting season. So I come back to the c

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01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: p A firm one time and there's a note from

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01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: her and she crossed out c p A and wrote

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01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 1: hunter and we got it. We did it, jack Pot,

1562
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 1: I've reached the pinnacle and beautiful gold lettering. Yeah so,

1563
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: but uh no, I'm with you. I I feel that

1564
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: so much has been given to me by from hunting

1565
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: and by those who built the hunting culture and hunting

1566
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: traditions and the conservation models. I feel a responsibility. What

1567
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 1: can I be doing? How do I carry that on?

1568
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: And I'm producing media that has a lot of information

1569
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 1: and inspiration. Maybe I don't have much inspiration, but my

1570
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 1: theory is if you're going to influence people to act

1571
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: a certain way or to become an advocate for something,

1572
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 1: you need information and you need inspiration. And I try

1573
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: to do some of that. I'm not the most inspiring guy,

1574
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 1: but I mean what you do is you make it relatable,

1575
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, because these things aren't these things this is

1576
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 1: These are hard things to do. Killing an ALcom public

1577
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: playing with it with a bow is incredibly hard to

1578
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: do and even more infinitely hard to do if you

1579
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: have to repeat it everything. So all of those people

1580
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: on their Instagram feeds who are saying, well, I want

1581
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: to be that person with that bowl out that I

1582
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: put an air on through, understand that there's nine people

1583
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: for every five you see, there's who didn't just keep

1584
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 1: that in mind. It's hard for all of us to

1585
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: keep perspective in the in the internet age. But that's

1586
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: an important it is an important perspective, and I think

1587
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 1: it's harder for the younger generation, the one prior to

1588
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, the one coming after me, to have that

1589
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 1: proper perspective and to not want to microwave this thing.

1590
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,719
Speaker 1: Then I think that might be a lot of times

1591
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: why things aren't retained. And we talk about the retention

1592
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 1: of hunters, we tend to as a society kind of

1593
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 1: lean towards the microwaveable, like what's the easy I would

1594
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:50,560
Speaker 1: love to get wild met, but I don't want to

1595
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 1: have to spend the years and years failing before I

1596
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 1: get my first taste. And so I think it's when

1597
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 1: I when I see people talk about the field, the

1598
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: table of and I'm like, yes, all of these like

1599
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: little micro movies within hunting are important, but there is

1600
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: something more important to it. That is it is to

1601
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: me one of the ultimate challenges in life. And you

1602
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: prove things to yourself, you prove things to the people

1603
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: around you, you just become better for it. And it's

1604
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: one of those things that if you if you out

1605
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: there and you're just thinking, I got my license, but

1606
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: I just don't have the time or the money or

1607
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 1: the energy to do this. I'm telling you that's you'll

1608
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: probably drop off if you don't take that next step

1609
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: real quick. But if you do, you might be like

1610
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: Randy and I like self identified, like I'm a father,

1611
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm a husband, I'm a hunter. What else you need?

1612
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,719
Speaker 1: And that's why I always when people ask me about

1613
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: ELK Cunning, I always start with the story of six

1614
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 1: years of failure because I want those new el hunters

1615
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: to understand that it's not like you wake up one

1616
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 1: day and you've got thirty years of el cunning experience

1617
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: under your belt, and some people will shoot on the

1618
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 1: first morning and drove out and there's one standing above

1619
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: the trailhead. You know that that does happen. But I

1620
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: try to bring that reality to it and make it

1621
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: sound as valuable of inexperience as I can, because it was.

1622
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: It's now. I would not trade those six years of

1623
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 1: failure for anything, because it's made the path after that

1624
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: so much more rewarding. That's a book, just six years

1625
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: of failure. You know, when I walked in here and

1626
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 1: been the fed X guy, dropped off a whole palette

1627
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: full of new meat Eater cookbooks. You guys had the

1628
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: chain gang out there. What were they doing it? Yeah,

1629
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 1: they're loading them in there. And I told them, I said, well,

1630
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about that. I can't even read,

1631
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: let alone. Right, So a lot of us here, the

1632
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:45,719
Speaker 1: ones that can't read, the ones that have to carry

1633
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 1: the books. Rannell is cracking the whip on. That's that's it, man.

1634
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean that that book has been everywhere I travel.

1635
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: I was in Wyoming last weekend uh at a guy's

1636
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 1: place and has walked in and where he worked. I

1637
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: told him, and he just like he didn't even say anything.

1638
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,839
Speaker 1: He ran into another room and grabbed the METR quickbook

1639
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 1: and and he's like, I was like cool, he was

1640
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 1: excited to show it all. Well, I don't know how

1641
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 1: many of them. Steve's got an autograph out there, but

1642
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a writer's cramp. He wears like a

1643
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: little brace like he does. He sits out there, that

1644
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: sucker sits out there and and signs every single one

1645
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 1: of them too. I know he's left handed. You're gonna

1646
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 1: have to learn how to sign with us. Right, we're shooting, shooting,

1647
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 1: sporting Clays yesterday and he was all the ones were

1648
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: like the you could the left handed runs. He was

1649
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: killing a song. You can see the click coming like that.

1650
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: One of the few of the few things about being

1651
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: lefty that is is advantageous. What's you You mentioned the

1652
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 1: elk and Ecology book that you came up with, if

1653
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: you were if I think we could end on a

1654
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 1: nice like as a kind of meander through this topic.

1655
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: What are the things? What are the resources out there?

1656
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: You mentioned hunters connect, we can army f is it definitely?

1657
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 1: If if I want to go elk hunting, you know,

1658
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: what are the like Let's just kind of codify some

1659
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 1: resources for people that are outside of our platforms and

1660
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 1: things that are just there for everybody. Yeah. Um, I

1661
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 1: mean I'd like to say that my stuff is the yours. Absolutely. Yeah.

1662
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if you haven't been consuming my stuff, most

1663
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: everything that goes But no, I I use that book

1664
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 1: by jack Ward Thomas, you know, former chief of the

1665
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: Four Service but at the core and elk hunter and

1666
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 1: a biologist um PhD uh, prolific writer. His book Elk

1667
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 1: and Auki College. You can get that out of the

1668
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 1: Wildlife Management Institute. It it's a heavy read, you know.

1669
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: But if you're going to be an elk hunter, this

1670
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: book has so much in there that you need to

1671
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: understand about what an elk needs at a certain time

1672
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 1: of year, why it's different in an alpine environment versus opinion,

1673
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 1: juniper environment versus a grassland environment. All that stuff is,

1674
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: it's there. Uh. The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and the

1675
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: Service have this collaborative partnership in Oregon on the Starky

1676
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: Experimental Forest. The research that comes out of that forest,

1677
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: and I'm talking articles going back into the eighties is

1678
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: unbelievable stuff. Again, it's a bit of a difficult read,

1679
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 1: you know. And they just don't know what it is

1680
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: about scientists. They're they're worse than accounts. Yeah, they wanted

1681
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 1: the account They want us to have all the information

1682
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 1: for some and they want to talk in a language.

1683
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 1: Don't understand that. I mean they use Latin. I mean,

1684
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: what the hell. If it wasn't for Google, I wouldn't

1685
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: know half this stuff. But so if your speed reader

1686
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 1: read the introduction of their studies and read the conclusion,

1687
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: don't worry about all the methodology stuff. You don't need

1688
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 1: to know. That was all peer reviewed by other big

1689
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: brain people. Uh, that information is really helpful. The BLM

1690
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 1: and the Forest Service have some amazing research stuff about

1691
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 1: forage and forage competition because they have domestic cattle allotments

1692
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 1: and so they have to do analysis of how is

1693
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: domestic grazing affecting wildlife. Well, in those studies, there's a

1694
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 1: whole bunch of information. They're about the preferred forages of

1695
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: elk at certain times of the year and how do

1696
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 1: they have to manage the grazing allotments to accommodate that.

1697
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 1: So if you go through and pick through all that,

1698
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a ton of stuff. And then the

1699
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 1: state game agencies they have all kinds of amazing studies. Um,

1700
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 1: just depends on what state you're hunting. Uh. They have

1701
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: interacting maps they have there. You fly over studies almost

1702
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 1: every year. You get access to that stuff and you

1703
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: know year by year kind of where these elk are.

1704
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 1: So those yeah, those are things that So for me,

1705
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 1: all those resources I just mentioned are about becoming a

1706
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:45,719
Speaker 1: student of elk, and I feel like I'm just such

1707
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 1: a novice about my understanding of elk, even after thirty

1708
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 1: years of researching and reading and trying my darnedest to

1709
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: know more about them. I'm I'm kind of a hack,

1710
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 1: but uh, you give me a Google search on al Uh.

1711
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 1: You know, if you went to my Google history, the

1712
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 1: number of elk searchers is probably way higher than anything else. Uh.

1713
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 1: And the number of articles I read and sometimes I

1714
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 1: save them and I reread them. Um, It's just it's

1715
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: an investment, you know. No matter what you want to

1716
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: try to be above average at, you better make an investment.

1717
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean, why why are there golf clinics, Why are there,

1718
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, clinics for how to teach people to fly

1719
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: fish or whatever it might be, investment clubs. If you

1720
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 1: want to be above average, you're gonna make an investment

1721
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: in whatever that activity is. Yeah, and and just imagine

1722
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: that it's not It can be a chicken or the

1723
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 1: egg thing. You can go experience it with a mentor

1724
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: and then get so excited about that experience that you

1725
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 1: devote your time to it, or do it the other

1726
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 1: way around. Know that there's something you desire to do,

1727
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 1: and prior to taking taking a step out there in

1728
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: the elk woods, you're gonna do that research. Either one

1729
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 1: of those is fine, but just know that, like somewhere

1730
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: along the way in the process, if you devote yourself

1731
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 1: to being what Randy says, as a student of these things. Yeah,

1732
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 1: so better off. If there's a couple of thoughts I'd

1733
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 1: leave people with, it's that I said this earlier. Elk

1734
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: don't do anything randomly. Everything Elk do is purposeful. Um,

1735
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: they have a certain need at every time of year,

1736
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 1: and they're going to go across the landscape to satisfy

1737
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: that need. So if you want to find them and

1738
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 1: to tag one, you gotta find one. You need to

1739
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 1: understand what that need is at that time of the

1740
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: year and where on the landscape they can fulfill that need,

1741
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 1: because that's where they're going to be. Yeah, that's huge,

1742
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 1: that's huge. Well, Randy, your legend in my own mind,

1743
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 1: in my mind, and for coming, you got a lot

1744
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 1: of you got a lot of hunt to do. You

1745
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:42,879
Speaker 1: gotta take four days of kind of like a respite

1746
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 1: before you go. Yeah, I'm uh yeah that I'm gonna

1747
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: be out at the range, uh doing the fine tuning tomorrow,

1748
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna be packing all day the next

1749
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 1: day and then it's trajectory across the west. Just for

1750
01:32:58,040 --> 01:32:59,879
Speaker 1: my own this is a question for my own benefit.

1751
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 1: Archery side, the issue I've been fumbling around with. I

1752
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 1: have a black gold Montana. It used to be Montana Black.

1753
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 1: It was called black Gold Ascent. It's a it's a

1754
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 1: slider like I have. I have three pins and I

1755
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 1: used to have fifty. But in the last few years

1756
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 1: I've had this vision issue of you know, I'll start

1757
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 1: wearing reader glasses. Uh, And I realized, you know what,

1758
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 1: really my comfort level at fifty is not what it

1759
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:35,799
Speaker 1: used to be. So I archery hunt to get closer anyhow,

1760
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,080
Speaker 1: So let's get rid of the fifty yard pin, and

1761
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't all my my old bows. I had a

1762
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: slider tape on there because it's like, well, you know,

1763
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: you hope that you only need one air own. But

1764
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 1: I always thought, well, if I hit one and it

1765
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 1: was still standing out there at seventy yards, I could

1766
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: roll my slider to seventy and maybe I could get

1767
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 1: another expiring shot in it. But I even got rid

1768
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 1: of the tapes. I just and it's it's too alluring.

1769
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I think I can make this. Yeah.

1770
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 1: And last year was my first year doing that. I

1771
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 1: had a bison tag last year archery bison ended up

1772
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 1: getting fortunate and taking that bison got to forty three

1773
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 1: yards and I was comfortable with that shot. Um, so

1774
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,639
Speaker 1: it for me. Those black Gold products, I've been using them.

1775
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they've been based here in Bozeman forever. Mike

1776
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 1: I like started the company and I knew Mike oh Man.

1777
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 1: I asked that because I'm boomeranging back and forth between

1778
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 1: like fixed pins for the longest time in my life.

1779
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 1: Then I went to a single pin spot hawks site

1780
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: where I just have the dial. Now I'm at the

1781
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 1: the hog Father that has the to the two pins

1782
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 1: in the single post. I've been boomeranging back and forth, like,

1783
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:49,600
Speaker 1: what really am I trying to do here? Can I

1784
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:53,040
Speaker 1: shoot to eight yards? Sure? Have I practiced that? Sure?

1785
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: What am I really doing? Um? You know, we talked

1786
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 1: about ethics a lot, you do I do on this show.

1787
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 1: So it's just some them that that and this last

1788
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 1: archer anlope pun. It seemed like there was like a

1789
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 1: fifty yard buffer for every analyope that I've crawled up on,

1790
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 1: and I just was thinking about, what, you know, for

1791
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 1: me with archery, how am I going to start a

1792
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: better define you know, the tactic and and going back,

1793
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 1: and I think I'm gonna go back to fixed pins

1794
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: for that reason, so I can really give myself Like,

1795
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 1: this is where you know you talk about efficacy, This

1796
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: is where it is for you, and you know if

1797
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 1: you could certainly kill things at eighty yards if you really,

1798
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 1: but there's just too many variables, too many things that

1799
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 1: could happen for me. So but that's why I went

1800
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 1: to just and with every piece of equipment I own, Ben,

1801
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm the weak link in the equation. And that's why

1802
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: tomorrow I'm out at the range most Today I'm just

1803
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 1: trying to make my my weak link a little stronger.

1804
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 1: And I'm like, when I drove by your house, I

1805
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 1: did see some three D targets in the back. I've

1806
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 1: got an elk out there. YEA tell you told Marcus

1807
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,719
Speaker 1: we were gonna come hijack your out and we're gonna

1808
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:02,559
Speaker 1: do Instagram thing about I don't know if you have

1809
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 1: a name for it. You know where's Waldo the walk, Well,

1810
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 1: I'll name him Wall just for you that way, if

1811
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:10,560
Speaker 1: you'd ever steal them. There's also a while there's a

1812
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 1: hog and have Lena back there. But I've had neighbors

1813
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 1: walked by and be like, hey, yeah, are you build

1814
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 1: a diorama? When you think I'm building a tiny yellowstone

1815
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 1: diorama in my backyard. That's that's fun. That's one way

1816
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 1: to look at it, right. I'll just telling you case

1817
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 1: you every wanna come shoot sixty yards to the sidewalk

1818
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 1: to my house. If you come, if you stand on

1819
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 1: the sidewalk, sixty yards to the elements, okay, it's perfect. Yeah,

1820
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm lucky. My neighbor. Let's walk across the street

1821
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 1: and stand right down the boundary of their ditch. And

1822
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 1: I got seventy five yards there, and uh, obviously I'd

1823
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:48,639
Speaker 1: never shoot out seventy five yards, but it sure makes

1824
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 1: life easier when you walk up to thirty after you've

1825
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 1: been shooting seventy. Oh yeah. It's like when I put

1826
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:54,680
Speaker 1: that I put that elcop and I walked over and

1827
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: I was like, because this as far as like a

1828
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 1: choot on the sidewalk border my property. Okay, sixty yards

1829
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: perfect right here at the edge like that. That's it

1830
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,760
Speaker 1: couldn't be meant to be. There's my That is my

1831
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: ultimate range for the rest of time. Let me know

1832
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 1: when you're having your big shoot. I'll show up and

1833
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 1: I will I won't. I'll bring a lot of arrows

1834
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 1: because I I arrow companies love me me too. I

1835
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:22,679
Speaker 1: gotta I've got to build like some sort of barrier. Yeah,

1836
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm also I'm gonna might get a metal detector. Well,

1837
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 1: they loved me for a couple of reasons. One is

1838
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 1: I have I'm still stupid where I'll shoot the same

1839
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 1: arrow or multiple arrows at the same spot on the target.

1840
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 1: But then also I have no hesitation about ruining a

1841
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 1: thirty dollar broad head and arrow for a grouse if

1842
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 1: somehow I ran out of field tips or judo points.

1843
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 1: That's what broad head there fall. When you're Alcohn, that

1844
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: of course you do. Oh well, yes, yeah, you can

1845
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 1: carry one in my quiver. And then I usually have

1846
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 1: two or three judo points that I could screw in

1847
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 1: if I needed to. I carry those in some of them.

1848
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm not screwming on my ears. This ship I just

1849
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 1: bought some u is it? Montech makes these small game

1850
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 1: heads like a little triangle, looks like the clock. I'm

1851
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: gonna at you, So I'm gonna try those. Those things

1852
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 1: like they go out when you let the arrow go right.

1853
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,879
Speaker 1: They're like spring out. These are These are a smaller

1854
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 1: like full aluminum type point pointing. It's like a trident

1855
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 1: that is twisted and h I'm gonna fan. No they're not. Okay,

1856
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:33,200
Speaker 1: nobody's paying me to say that. The Striker Montechi. They're

1857
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 1: made by Montak or G five or whoever did whatever

1858
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: the brand the company name. So I'm gonna be trying

1859
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 1: those on girls. All right, bare let you go. We

1860
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 1: can probably do this all day. Thanks for having me. Thanks, Yeah,

1861
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I guess I grew up on all

1862
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 1: the road. That's it. That's all. Episode seventy seven is

1863
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:57,679
Speaker 1: now in the books. Thank you to Randy Newburgh, a legend.

1864
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 1: Phil's coughing, Phil, you all right, Yeah that Lacroix can

1865
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 1: sneak up on you. Yeah, yeah, that really gets you.

1866
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 1: That's hard stuff, Phil, that's a hard it's a hard beverage.

1867
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 1: What flavor do you go with her? Phil Classic? What's

1868
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 1: your favorite Lacroix as lacrux. Uh, I'll get on Mike here. Um.

1869
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 1: I I'm a big fan of the just kind of

1870
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 1: the o g s, the lime, the pomple moose, the

1871
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 1: grapefruit as it pops. The hell is look at the

1872
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: can it says pomple moves. Man, it's French. Are you

1873
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: making that up? Nope? Check it. We got some in

1874
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,639
Speaker 1: the fridge. Check it out. I'll check out the pomple moves. Yeah,

1875
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:40,839
Speaker 1: they probably dumped that down the sink. Is it Goodlet's

1876
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 1: it taste like? Tastes like pomple moose? What's pomple moose?

1877
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:46,560
Speaker 1: Taste like? It's a grape fruit in French? It's just grapefruit.

1878
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 1: Why can't we say great fruits America? Yeah, I think

1879
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: it's a I think that they're trying to be like

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01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:55,280
Speaker 1: Canadian or something like Frooks Crooks. Listen, this is probably

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01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 1: I wasn't planning on talking about this, but now that

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01:39:57,479 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: we're here, Phil, this is a good time to talk

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01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 1: about white claw. Oh, speaking of today, we normally get

1884
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 1: cupcakes for birthday festivities, but instead we got four cases

1885
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 1: of white claws holler for the August birthdays. It's elk season, baby,

1886
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 1: but it's always white claw season. White Claws season never

1887
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 1: goes out of style. Yeah, listen, I gotta this. I

1888
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 1: gotta come clean on something here. Your people, I love

1889
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 1: I love you guys, I love you listeners. You're you're

1890
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 1: it's like we're one family. It's like we're all. It's

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01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 1: like thousands of us are just all. Would you call

1892
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 1: it a collective, Yeah, it's like a collective family of hunters.

1893
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 1: It's almost what it's like. And I just feel I

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01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:45,799
Speaker 1: feel like you're sending me too many white claw memes.

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Speaker 1: Stop it, Stop sending me the white claw memes. Counterpoint, Um,

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01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:55,559
Speaker 1: I'd say, keep keep them coming, keep them coming, keep

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01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 1: them coming. Yeah, this is good, this is good material.

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01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean, my Instagram dms are just full of white claw.

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01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:06,160
Speaker 1: You're getting sick of him because you were very excited

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01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 1: about reposting them. Now it's just too many of them.

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01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 1: You can't you can't keep up. When somebody makes like

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01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 1: a corner on the claw flavor, I get that ten times,

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01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:19,759
Speaker 1: fifteen times, maybe twenty times. If somebody does like a

1904
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 1: claw flavor pop tart box, I get that. Somebody does

1905
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 1: Steve Austin meme. If I get that fucking Steve Auston

1906
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 1: meme one more time, or he's like a shame that

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01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 1: I drink white cloth, I'm gonna find Steve Auston and

1908
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna get at it. The toy story one, noone's

1909
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,679
Speaker 1: get that one a lot too. The claw that comes down.

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01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 1: Every meme that you've seen about White Claw is in

1911
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 1: my inbox right now. I just want you to know that.

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01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 1: So this is you can either listen to my please

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01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:47,880
Speaker 1: and stop sending them or completely ignore my please. And

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01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 1: that's actually what I would do if someone was telling

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01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 1: me to stop, I would send more of them. And

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01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,960
Speaker 1: so maybe this is a bad way to say, let's

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01:41:56,040 --> 01:42:00,679
Speaker 1: keep it going. Boys and girls like white Claw memes

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01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:04,560
Speaker 1: are hot right now? Yeah, reverse psychology, Yeah, something like that. Anyway,

1919
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:06,599
Speaker 1: I don't know where I was going with any of that,

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01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 1: but hopefully you enjoy You enjoyed our Elk Hype Talk

1921
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 1: Elk Elk Hype series where Cameron Haynes, I mean Cam Haynes,

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01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 1: good lord, he's got some inspiration, some good quotes in there. Yeah,

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01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:23,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go me and Phil. You think I could

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01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 1: do more push ups than you? Phil? If we do

1925
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 1: a little push up contest? You think? So that's good

1926
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 1: keeping you around. We started talking about Cam Haynes and

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01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 1: you just challenge me to a push up CONTESTI medly,

1928
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 1: what's up? Man? What's up? Anyway? This is my way

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Speaker 1: to say that was a great episode, and um, we'll

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Speaker 1: see you next week here on the Hunting Collective. Looking forward,

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01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 1: all those white Claw memes flooding into phills d m s.

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01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:55,479
Speaker 1: Maybe you're gonna redirect those? Yeah, okay, I'm gonna send

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01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:56,639
Speaker 1: them all to you. When they come to me, I'm

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01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 1: forwarding them right over to you. Please, don't Phil is

1935
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 1: going to be our white Claw repository from now on. Nope, Nope, nope,

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01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:06,519
Speaker 1: that's your job. You started this. Enjoy Yolks season. Bye

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01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 1: Denniseee who whiskey got the drinking in Heaven? And I

1938
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 1: know I can't stay here too long because I can't

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01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:20,240
Speaker 1: go a week without doing Run oh without you and

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01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 1: run bringing out right wrong drinking in Heaven