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Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi, I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife. Did you know that many people believe that

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Speaker 1: rather than just being driven everywhere by the thoughts in

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Speaker 1: the mind, I can instead say I know what's actually

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Speaker 1: going on, So if you're saying something counter to that,

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Speaker 1: I know, I don't have to listen to you, which

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Speaker 1: that has been such a phenomenal tool for me in

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Speaker 1: growth and in life. M I totally agree, and I

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Speaker 1: know for myself and what I share about as I

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Speaker 1: really think where we are at this moment right now

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Speaker 1: is what's important. Our mind can also say what we

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Speaker 1: could have and should have done differently and given us

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Speaker 1: all this guilt, right, and that's not very empowering in life.

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Speaker 1: So instead of that, all roads led us to exactly

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Speaker 1: where we are today, talking today, doing what we are today,

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Speaker 1: and we've got the power of the unseen world around

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Speaker 1: us fueling us. In fact, when we get back from

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Speaker 1: the break, Curtis, I want to hear a little bit

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Speaker 1: about what Swedenborg says about our loved ones and if

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Speaker 1: we have guides. I think you mentioned earlier angels. So

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Speaker 1: let's go to our break and then we will continue

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Speaker 1: our conversation. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on

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Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal

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Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain and we are with Emmanuel Swedenborg expert Curtis Childs. Curtis,

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Speaker 1: can you talk if Swedenborg talks about our deceased loved

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Speaker 1: ones in the afterlife or angels or spirit guides? Yes,

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Speaker 1: he he absolutely does. He gives the descriptions, UM not

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Speaker 1: as vivid in the in modern near death experiences, you'll

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Speaker 1: get more vivid descriptions of reuniting with relatives. UM. But

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Speaker 1: I think he's had so much he was covering. He

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Speaker 1: does say, you know, in the spiritual world, seeing families reunited,

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Speaker 1: seeing um, you know, siblings, spouses, parents and children, people

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Speaker 1: being overjoyed meeting each other again. But he would even

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Speaker 1: have people that he knew while they were alive, then

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Speaker 1: they would die and he would get to converse with

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Speaker 1: them in spirit after lots of there's enough for me, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and even I mean there's anecdotes but well documented about

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Speaker 1: you know, there was people who began to catch win

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Speaker 1: that that he could see the spiritual world. So they

468
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Speaker 1: wanted to test could tell me something that that my

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Speaker 1: brother would know who died that nobody else didn't. And

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Speaker 1: as the story goes, he was called into the court

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Speaker 1: of this queen and he told her this thing that

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Speaker 1: nobody else could have known. And you can look at

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Speaker 1: look at his Wikipedia pages on there. But so he

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Speaker 1: had these sorts of connections. So there's those. But then angels,

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Speaker 1: he says, yes, always, there's actually always at least two

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Speaker 1: angels with every person. There's two angels because one is

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Speaker 1: associated with your thoughts and one is associated with your feelings.

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Speaker 1: Because there are sort of two primary faculties in the

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Speaker 1: human being. What he calls the understanding and the will,

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Speaker 1: which also can be called the intellect, and the volition

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Speaker 1: or volition and discernment, which I think almost breaks down

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Speaker 1: neatly into thoughts and feelings. It's sort of like your

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Speaker 1: purpose and how you get there. And he says that

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Speaker 1: that you have an angel with with each part of you,

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Speaker 1: and that through this angel is is sort of your

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Speaker 1: connection to heaven, so you can actually be in as

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Speaker 1: he describes it, it's complex because there's those those two

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Speaker 1: that are most like they're like permanently with you and

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Speaker 1: and sort of allow you to live because there are

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Speaker 1: a channel for this this life into you. He talks

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Speaker 1: about communities in the afterlife, but he says our spirits

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Speaker 1: are actually in communities right now in the afterlife. We

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Speaker 1: have a spirit right now. We're in a community, and

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Speaker 1: actually our community throughout the course of our life changes

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Speaker 1: based on what we love, based on what we're turning

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Speaker 1: our attention towards and focusing on that. We actually change

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Speaker 1: spiritual locations. As we grow to have different interests and

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Speaker 1: and progress spiritually well, we go up into these different

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Speaker 1: heavenly communities. He gives the interesting anecdote that if you're

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Speaker 1: deep enough in meditation or something like that, you actually

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Speaker 1: become visible in your spiritual community, like the spirits there

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Speaker 1: can see you, and who who's that? You know? Um

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Speaker 1: and Swede Morgue is full of little fascinating anecdotes like that.

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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is there's also you could be

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Speaker 1: surrounded by plenty of angels that are working with you

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Speaker 1: and acting with you in addition to your you know,

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Speaker 1: your your two kind of buddy buddies, so any you

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Speaker 1: know so, So there's there's a there's this level of

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Speaker 1: intimacy with Heaven that I've rarely ever heard of, with

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Speaker 1: angels actually being able to know sort of the details

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Speaker 1: of the origins of our thoughts and our feelings and

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Speaker 1: why we're all these elements in our thoughts and feelings

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Speaker 1: that we ourselves aren't even aware of, and they're gently

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Speaker 1: trying to bend those towards good. They never forced us

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Speaker 1: to do something we're not willing to do, but they're

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Speaker 1: always pulling for us. In Swedenborg says that an angel

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Speaker 1: would gladly trade places with anyone if it meant they

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Speaker 1: could come up and experience Heaven. When we talk about

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Speaker 1: the joy of helping other people. Heaven consists entirely of that.

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Speaker 1: So the angels, people that are in heaven, their greatest

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Speaker 1: joy is helping and that includes helping us. So you

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Speaker 1: have Sweden. Board talks about angels that protects people while

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Speaker 1: they're leaping and introduce good dreams, and he says that

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Speaker 1: the angels are so excited to do that that there's

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Speaker 1: sort of a friendly competition between them because no, I

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Speaker 1: want to do it. I want to do it because

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Speaker 1: I really want to. I really want this person to

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Speaker 1: be happy. So there's that much pressing um love coming

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Speaker 1: out of them. And when he would say he would

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Speaker 1: interact with angels, he pretty much loses his ability to

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Speaker 1: describe it. He always just says it they are pure love.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing but love. It's it's just it's beyond me

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Speaker 1: to describe. You know, they'll try, but but I think

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Speaker 1: you get that from from people who have had near

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Speaker 1: death experiences, that that they can try to put it

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Speaker 1: into words that they can't. Yeah, so he can't. He

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Speaker 1: finds himself in the same boat. Yeah, what don't he

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Speaker 1: say as far as the purpose of life? From what

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Speaker 1: I understand, we're in the second sort of womb right now.

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Speaker 1: If you think of what's the point of being in

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Speaker 1: the womb before we're born. It's to grow and develop

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Speaker 1: because you have to grow and develop in that particular environment.

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Speaker 1: You know, the womb. You have the amniotic flu uh

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Speaker 1: that you know, you're you're protected from the elements, you're

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Speaker 1: given all the food you need, you you've given the

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Speaker 1: oxygen you need. You couldn't go through those stages out

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Speaker 1: here in this world because you need that environment. And similarly,

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Speaker 1: we are here in this world because we need this

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Speaker 1: environment to grow and develop before we can go into

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Speaker 1: the spiritual world. This level of existence has different conditions

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Speaker 1: than are than are available there. For example, here you

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Speaker 1: can kind of be duplicitous, or you can sort of

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Speaker 1: think one thing but say another thing, or try to

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Speaker 1: put up a front you know these people um and

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Speaker 1: actually that that actually is. It can be used negatively,

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Speaker 1: but it's actually an important tool because Swedenborg says, in

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Speaker 1: the spiritual world, you just are what you are. You

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Speaker 1: don't really have impulse control, you don't really have a filter.

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Speaker 1: And if we did that now, that would be a problem.

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Speaker 1: Because we all have stuff to work on. We have

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Speaker 1: a chance because you can think one thing and feel

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Speaker 1: a different thing. I can say, Oh, I'm really wanting

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Speaker 1: to think something nasty about that person, say something nasty

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Speaker 1: to them, behaved dysfunctionally, but I'm actually gonna not do it.

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Speaker 1: You know that we have the chance to kind of

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Speaker 1: push back and learn in that way, and through that

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Speaker 1: we're forming our spirit. Those choices that we make in

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Speaker 1: the face of things like suffering or negativity, that's forming

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Speaker 1: our spirit. So that once but at the end of life,

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Speaker 1: that the spirit that that we've formed through the kinds

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Speaker 1: of things we've chosen and loved in life, then that's

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Speaker 1: fully developed and ready to be in the in the

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Speaker 1: spiritual world. So that we are going through this life

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Speaker 1: because we have to have these conditions to develop. But

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Speaker 1: in regard to suffering in particular, swin Boy says that

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Speaker 1: nothing bad is allowed unless in the end can be

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Speaker 1: used for good. So, I mean, we have me Curtis

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Speaker 1: talking about going through this really hard stuff. Well, I

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Speaker 1: can even see in retrospect that I I learned so much.

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Speaker 1: I more empathetic now, I'm deeper now. And that was

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Speaker 1: what led me and continues to lead me to this

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Speaker 1: craving for the truth and this search for the truth

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Speaker 1: and this living of the principles I find in Swedenborgian

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Speaker 1: and other sources, and and and then wanting to pass

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Speaker 1: it on. If it wasn't for any of those hardships,

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Speaker 1: I would never have that that desire to do that,

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Speaker 1: you know, so that all the things in our lives

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Speaker 1: that are tough are only allowed to the extent that

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Speaker 1: in the end, even though there is suffering, and that's real.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to, you know, trivialize that, but thinking

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Speaker 1: down the road. You know, if life is eternal, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna at some point be able to look back and say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: it was all worth it. I am who I am

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Speaker 1: today because of all this. When people see the plan,

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Speaker 1: they think, okay, it all makes sense, and that the

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Speaker 1: idea is even though it does not seem like that

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Speaker 1: at all, we can have some upondence and some comfort

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Speaker 1: in the idea that all this is bringing the best

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Speaker 1: out of an imperfect situation, which is that we live

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Speaker 1: in a world where people are free to either be

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Speaker 1: nice or mean to each other, and from and all

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Speaker 1: the sort of residual suffering that comes out of that,

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Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean, that's that's my like Pithy

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Speaker 1: attempt to answer that quickly. We We've done several shows

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Speaker 1: on the topic. That's like the main question, you know, um,

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Speaker 1: but but those are those are like sort of the

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Speaker 1: beginning thoughts on the whole thing. And it's not like

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Speaker 1: I always have that all figured out. If I'm in

609
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Speaker 1: my house trying to get something ready and I like

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Speaker 1: knock over a glass full of water or something, it's

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Speaker 1: very hard for me at that moment to feel like

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Speaker 1: everything has a purpose? Why that come on? Like, Okay,

613
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Speaker 1: I get it, you can learn, but why that? So

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning. But I do believe that, you know,

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Speaker 1: in my better states that we are gonna I can

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Speaker 1: because I can see it with some things in my

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Speaker 1: own life. Things at the time I really didn't like.

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Speaker 1: But now I think, Wow, I'm really lucky for the

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Speaker 1: position I'm in now because of those things. Yeah, my

620
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Speaker 1: dad died and that was the thing for me, the

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Speaker 1: most suffering and really tough time. Never in a million

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Speaker 1: years what I've ever thought I'd be helping people through grieve.

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Speaker 1: Criticis has been people that haven't committed suicide because of

624
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Speaker 1: my words, And this shows in the book, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: in the moment, it was all happening. I would have

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Speaker 1: never thought that my deepest, darkest despair would turn into

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Speaker 1: something like this, But looking back, it's like it has

628
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Speaker 1: so as advice to somebody who may be going through

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Speaker 1: some really tough times right now. In the moment, it's

630
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Speaker 1: really hard to have the answers, but there is something

631
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Speaker 1: called faith and trust that perhaps in the future you're

632
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Speaker 1: gonna make a profound difference for someone else, or you know,

633
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Speaker 1: have a better life because of it. Yeah, and I

634
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Speaker 1: don't think we can ever be trying to take away

635
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Speaker 1: people's pain entirely, but as you said, as you said

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Speaker 1: there is an element of comfort. I don't think we

637
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: can eradicate suffering, but there can be less based on

638
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: these these principles like you're talking about. Yeah, the human

639
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: body is not an easy thing to live in. I mean,

640
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Speaker 1: there's all kinds of chemical makeup, and depression is feel

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00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: and planet Earth cannot isn't always the happiest place to be.

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Speaker 1: But if we do believe in a much bigger picture,

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Speaker 1: it can get you through even the darkest times. Um, Curtis,

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Speaker 1: give any favorite episodes. What I'm thinking to ask you now,

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Speaker 1: oh that we did on the I mean I The

646
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Speaker 1: funny thing is I really like our episodes that we

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Speaker 1: did about the dark side of things really yes, And

648
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Speaker 1: and the reason that I do is because those are

649
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Speaker 1: actually the ones that people come up to us and

650
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Speaker 1: say that helped me more often than any other because

651
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Speaker 1: it's people that are you just described all these problems

652
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Speaker 1: with the world. People are doing really tough things to

653
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Speaker 1: each other. Um And in inside people's minds, they're being

654
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Speaker 1: attacked in all these ways. And when because Swedenborg saw

655
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Speaker 1: sort of the root causes of all that stuff and

656
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: describes it. And when you describe that to people, they

657
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: can experience such a liberation from that, like, oh, that's

658
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: why this is happening and in me, and that you know,

659
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: that's how I can deal with it. Um And you

660
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't think so it's counterintuitive, but that that can be

661
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: some of the most comforting stuff to people. Yeah, I

662
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: completely get what you're saying. And people need to know

663
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: that someone else has been there before and has lived

664
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Speaker 1: through it before. We talk about grief a lot, and

665
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: who would you rather have helped comfort you through grief

666
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: Someone who's been there, someone who's had family feud, someone

667
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: who's lost loved ones, or someone who just says, yeah,

668
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: get over it. You've had a month off for work.

669
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Speaker 1: You should be fine by now. No, we want to

670
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Speaker 1: hear from somebody who's been there before, so that totally

671
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Speaker 1: makes sense. Well, we'll be back in just a moment

672
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Speaker 1: with our last segment with Curtis Child's. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: the Shades of the Afterlife on the I Hearty Yoke

674
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Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back

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00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we

676
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: are with Curtis Childs from Swedenborg dot com. Or go

677
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Speaker 1: to YouTube and type in off the left Eye for

678
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: some really, really great and powerful videos. Curtis, do you

679
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: think just because we're spiritual people that life is a

680
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Speaker 1: little easier for us. There's a tendency that I want

681
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Speaker 1: to point out that sometimes people think just because we

682
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Speaker 1: have spiritual ideas or beliefs, we don't need to go

683
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Speaker 1: through the process of the grief. Things like that, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you don't you believe in life after death. That's not

685
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Speaker 1: how it works. Death is a really really hard thing

686
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: and you need to give yourself space. Um, when I

687
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: was young, when I you know, when I was like six,

688
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: My sister died and she was just like a year

689
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: and a half older than me. And I even now

690
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: you live with the residual effect to that, and it's

691
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: not like just now I've got all this Swedenborg in

692
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: my brain, so that doesn't affect me anymore. We are

693
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Speaker 1: biological machines and these we are emotional creatures. You can't

694
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Speaker 1: just unthink how you're wired and and just think your

695
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: way out of all wounds. But there's there's certain amounts

696
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Speaker 1: of you know, like if you if you actually get

697
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: a deep wound, you can't just command it to heal,

698
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: but you can take care of it. You can clean it,

699
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: you can you know, provide comforting medicine. And that that's

700
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: more the role that I see this stuff playing, rather

701
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: than saying, yeah, okay, so now you don't need to

702
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 1: grieve for your dad. No, this is the true wisdom

703
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: there is, is realizing that you need to grieve as

704
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: much as you need and in the way that you need,

705
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: and your grief isn't necessarily going to look like anyone else.

706
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Speaker 1: Is that the kinds of things that the people learn

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Speaker 1: only really by studying and going through it themselves. That's

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Speaker 1: the best kind of learning there is. Absolutely That's where

709
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Speaker 1: all the this stuff for the channel that we work

710
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: on comes from is trying to take these principles apply

711
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Speaker 1: them to life. See how does this work? Does this

712
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: make sense? And once I feel like I've got something

713
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: that we can pass along, you know, we we pass

714
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Speaker 1: it along. And it's not just me working on the channel.

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Speaker 1: We've got like a team of people that are are

716
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Speaker 1: doing graphics and writing, and you know, the the channel

717
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't be what it is without them, and they're they're

718
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Speaker 1: all working for a Swedenborg Foundation with me. So I

719
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: just want to let people know that it's not you.

720
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Speaker 1: Let them know that they do a great job, because

721
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: yes I will. I mean it's so awesome the graphics

722
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Speaker 1: and the scripts and the questions and your guests and

723
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, I'm really phenomen comin all stuff.

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Speaker 1: What is the Swedenborg Foundation? What is it? Yeah? It

725
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Speaker 1: is a nonprofit organization that has been around. I don't

726
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Speaker 1: even have it memorized. It's much more than a hundred

727
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Speaker 1: years that it's been an organization. It was originally just

728
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Speaker 1: a translator and publisher of Swedenborg's books, so it existed

729
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Speaker 1: I think it was originally in New York State or

730
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Speaker 1: maybe New York City and it was called something else,

731
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Speaker 1: but then it moved. Now it's headquartered in west Chester, Pennsylvania,

732
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Speaker 1: UM and it would print Swedenborg's books and translate them

733
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Speaker 1: and that's all it did. But then, you know, in

734
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Speaker 1: the eighties, there were people sitting around saying, you know,

735
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Speaker 1: barely anyone's reading these books. How do we get them

736
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Speaker 1: out to people? So that began kind of a new

737
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Speaker 1: phase of Swedenborg Foundation where they were trying to publish

738
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Speaker 1: the collateral books. Because when you come up upon Swedenborg's books,

739
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: they are daunts. They can be a little bit intimidating

740
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Speaker 1: if if you don't happen to have a taste for

741
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: seventeen fifties philosophy. That they're they're long, and and they're strange.

742
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Speaker 1: I mean, you open them up and you're going to

743
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: see him talking about spirits and how they affect you

744
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: and and uh, all this outer body stuff and mixing

745
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Speaker 1: that in with Christian sounding stuff, and it's just like

746
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Speaker 1: a lot of people I would imagine just opening it

747
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: up and shutting it. You know, it was just like that.

748
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Speaker 1: So it actually takes giving us some time to really

749
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Speaker 1: find Oh there's there is gold in here, you know,

750
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Speaker 1: So Swedenborg Foundation dot, Hey, that's a problem. So we're

751
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Speaker 1: going to try to publish these simpler kind of books

752
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: to get people into it. They dabbled in some other things.

753
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Speaker 1: They did a little video back in the day, and

754
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: then um, it was just a few years ago that

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Speaker 1: I started working with Swedenborg Foundation. Um. And this is

756
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: part of sort of this new online push that we're

757
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: doing now. And we have a you know, a couple

758
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: of social media networks. We have our videos, we have

759
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: our website, and the mission statement is just too foster

760
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Speaker 1: and affirmative increasingly broad conversation around the ideas of Swedenborg.

761
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: And it's the whole the heart of it is people

762
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Speaker 1: who have found Swedenborg love it and think it could

763
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: do some good and are just trying to get anybody

764
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Speaker 1: to listen and and stop and wait, wait, give this

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Speaker 1: a second chance, that there might be something that will

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00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: change your life in here. You know. It's interesting because

767
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Speaker 1: when I first started my life after Death research, long

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Speaker 1: before my book, long before my dad died, UM, I

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Speaker 1: had downloaded some books and when I had seen your

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00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: videos and like Swedenborg. That sounds familiar. So I had

771
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: downloaded all these free books on my kindle, and even

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Speaker 1: knowing that I was going to interview to you today,

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Speaker 1: I decided to like open one random one and it

774
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: was to me so heavy and so like, I think

775
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: I'd rather just watch his videos. It's kind of what

776
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: I did, not that I won't give him a second chance.

777
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: That that's uh, that keeps us in business. You know,

778
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: if he was easier to read, you might not need

779
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: the videos in the first place. But they're really great.

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Speaker 1: Just what else that haven't I asked you that I

781
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: really should? You might want to share? Well, I want

782
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: to say, uh, you know, if you guys want to

783
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: check them out for yourself. So it's a YouTube dot

784
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Speaker 1: com slash off the left Eye, and that off the

785
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: left Eye comes from. Actually, there was a spiritual experience

786
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Speaker 1: Swedenborg had where he said that he was being shown

787
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Speaker 1: what the dying process is like, just so that he

788
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Speaker 1: could report on it. And he said that he was

789
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Speaker 1: sort of being put through it, but but yet a

790
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: part of him was conscious so he could take notes,

791
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, um or remember it and then write it.

792
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: And he said that he was at first you know

793
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: his soul was being awakened. Uh. And at first he

794
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: was in this purely emotive place and he was in

795
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: contact with heaven close to his heart. But but he

796
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: wasn't really thinking about anything. But then when he started

797
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: to stir and began to start to wake up, Um,

798
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: there was these angels that came that gave him the

799
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Speaker 1: use of his spiritual site. And they did that. He said,

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Speaker 1: it seems as if a covering was pulled off his

801
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: left eye that gave him that site. And there's all

802
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: this kind of symbolism with left and right in eyes.

803
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: And so that's what the channel is named after. Is

804
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: that experience? Oh, that state. I was wondering what that

805
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: was all about. Yep, And people on online or like

806
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: what is that? Was that? Is that illuminati? What what

807
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: does that? What does that mean? But everything has a

808
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: correspondence or symbolism. The left side is intellectual, the right

809
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: side is volitional. He actually Swedenborg actually anticipated the modern

810
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: sort of science of the hemispheres of the brain through

811
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: his through his spiritual discoveries. But our show is called

812
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: Swedenborg in Life because you can look at any facet

813
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: of life and understand it. In my opinion better through

814
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: Swedenborg's concepts. It's not just relegated to who are just

815
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Speaker 1: going to talk about what happens after we die, or

816
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: we're just going to talk about theology or something. The

817
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: way you look at everything, the way you look at people,

818
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: the way you look at other life forms, the way

819
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: you look at relationships, the way you look at events,

820
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: it can all be upgraded by by the way he

821
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: describes it. And I'm just I'm still feel like I'm

822
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: just beginning learning what he's really talking about. You know,

823
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: I get concepts suddenly. I'll understand something like I didn't

824
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: before because I can read part of Swedenborg and come

825
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: back and say, wait a second, I never read this

826
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: before because I didn't get it. I was once giving

827
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Speaker 1: a lecture about Swedenborg's view of the afterlife, so I

828
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: was just going back over Heaven and Hell, which I

829
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: had read before, and I was just feeling like, man,

830
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like I've ever read any of this,

831
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Speaker 1: because this is all striking me as new. Because because

832
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: with Swedenborg, I think you have a tendency sometimes too,

833
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna jump over that because it seems complex

834
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: or I don't get what he's saying there. But every

835
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: once in a while it clicks and oh, that's alive.

836
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Speaker 1: I get what he's taught. That's cool, you know, and

837
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: that that that's actually I can use that today to

838
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: change kind of my thought practice. Wow, Curtis, you are

839
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: huge gift, you and your team and your angels that

840
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: are surrounding you. Glad you still think so even at

841
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: the end of the interview, Oh you know, it just

842
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: has me want to watch more. And for our listener

843
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: right now, I'm bragging about Curtis, but he is the

844
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: real deal when I say these episodes are phenomenal, and

845
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: Curtis just from being a human being who's on a

846
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: journey right now myself the ups and downs and life

847
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: can suck sometimes and may be great other times. I

848
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: want to just really thank you for taking the negativity,

849
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: the depression, your past and whatever still keeps coming up

850
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: in your negative mind and turning it into good and

851
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: turning into something that has made a difference in my

852
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: life and will continue to and then even in so

853
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: many lives people that that you you may never even meet. Um,

854
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: there's something a picture I want to leave you with

855
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Speaker 1: right now, Curtis and our listener. Many people that I

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Speaker 1: Curtis is that someday, you know, when you have your

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