WEBVTT - Jon Cavalier and Zac Blair - 2017 Golf Season Recap

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset.

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<v Speaker 2>When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I find my ball in a brid egg

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<v Speaker 3>Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Fridagrida Bride Egg, Lie,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm about ready to run.

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<v Speaker 2>Off of the course.

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<v Speaker 4>Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the

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<v Speaker 4>Frida Egg Podcast. Today I'm joined by photographer Extraordinaire John

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<v Speaker 4>Cavalier and PGA tour star Zach Blair. Guys, welcome on.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks man, it's good to be back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, bringing back the crew, talk a little bit of

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<v Speaker 4>golf courses, architecture, see what else we get into. You

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<v Speaker 4>guys have good Christmases.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Holiday is always a fun time of year. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was good out here. Nice to spend some

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<v Speaker 1>time at house.

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<v Speaker 2>This podcast is making my Christmas though. And to be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>as original guest, way back when, on I think episode

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen of the podcast, I wasn't sure that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>our stars were bright enough to hang on the Frida Egg.

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<v Speaker 2>After you've really taken this thing off over the last

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<v Speaker 2>year or so, I'm very honored to be on.

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<v Speaker 4>You know you can't help. You can't forget the people

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<v Speaker 4>that made the made the podcast what it is. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I have to redeem myself. I was a much worse

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<v Speaker 4>host than than I am now. I'm still a horrible host,

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<v Speaker 4>but I feel like I might be getting a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit better. Let's kick things off. I wanted to go

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<v Speaker 4>to do a rundown of our favorite courses, new courses

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<v Speaker 4>that we played this year, so not necessarily new, but

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<v Speaker 4>new to us. And uh, I think we each got

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<v Speaker 4>a list of ten together and we'll uh each each

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<v Speaker 4>name one at a time. I didn't really put mine

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<v Speaker 4>in order because I don't I don't like ranking courses,

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<v Speaker 4>but I don't know if you guys have it in

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<v Speaker 4>an order, I can shuffle it into a semblance of

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<v Speaker 4>an order if so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I mean they're all good. All the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that I got listed are solid, so I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the order doesn't really matter much.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let's uh, let's start, John, you kick it off.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, So, like you said, I can't believe, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty pretty solid year for new to me golf courses,

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<v Speaker 2>especially the first half of the year. And like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe I'm about to leave some of these off,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess we can talk about some some of

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<v Speaker 2>these places that are outside my top ten when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the halfy surprises and the hidden Gem. But

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<v Speaker 2>my ten best new to me courses from twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go in reverse order here, and again these are

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<v Speaker 2>loose because you know, when you really get down to it,

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<v Speaker 2>who's to say whether one of these is better than

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<v Speaker 2>the other. But in any event, at number ten, I

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<v Speaker 2>have Monterey Peninsula country Club, the shore course, which just

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<v Speaker 2>nudged out the Dunes course. We talked a little about

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<v Speaker 2>this last time, but I just I am absolutely enamorated

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<v Speaker 2>with Monterey Peninsula Country Club. I think it's quite possibly

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<v Speaker 2>the best thirty six hole facility in the country. So

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<v Speaker 2>the shore Course gets my vote there by a narrow margin.

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<v Speaker 2>At nine, I have mid Ocean Club in Bermuda, which

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<v Speaker 2>I went and saw in March, and certainly, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm a big CB McDonald's stand, so I had

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<v Speaker 2>really been looking forward to getting over there and it

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<v Speaker 2>did not disappoint in the least. It is absolutely gorgeous

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<v Speaker 2>and to play some Stevie McDonald architecture and see those

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<v Speaker 2>templates in an environment like that is just it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had a blast there. Number eight Gaza Ranch,

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<v Speaker 2>which met and exceeded every bit of my already high expectation.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven the Milwaukee Country Club, which is just a terrific

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<v Speaker 2>place with some really amazing classic architecture. Six and five.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually have two dope courses. I have Rock Creek

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<v Speaker 2>Cattle at six and I have Valley Neil at five.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are similar in a certain sense and that they're

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<v Speaker 2>both sort of off the beaten path, but both are

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely wonderful courses for I have Camargo Club, which, as

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<v Speaker 2>you may remember from the last podcast, with one of

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<v Speaker 2>the places I wanted to see most in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>so I finally got out there, and it is truly

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<v Speaker 2>a special seth Rayner to design some really bold templates

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<v Speaker 2>which we can talk more about. And then my top

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<v Speaker 2>three new to me places for twenty seventeen is a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good trifecta. And we could put these in any

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<v Speaker 2>order and they could all stand, so I'll just rattle

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<v Speaker 2>them off. I have sand Hills Pine Valley at number two,

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<v Speaker 2>which I finally got to play several times in twenty seventeen. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>and then at number one, I have Cypress Point Club,

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<v Speaker 2>which if your listeners follow me on Twitter or Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>at all, they know that I have been wallpapering my

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<v Speaker 2>accounts with photos from Cyprus for the last eleven months

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<v Speaker 2>and it is everything that I had ever hoped a

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<v Speaker 2>golf course could be, and then a whole lot more.

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<v Speaker 2>It is to say it's a beautiful place is really

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<v Speaker 2>to do with an injustice. It is as close to

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<v Speaker 2>my vision of heaven on Earth as I could have

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<v Speaker 2>possibly imagine. And so to get out there in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not easy to find a course that you would

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<v Speaker 2>quote rank ahead of Pine Valley, and again you can

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<v Speaker 2>put these in any order, but Cyprus Point was just

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible experience.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that's my tough kind of the way I feel

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<v Speaker 4>with like the very best golf courses, every one of them,

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<v Speaker 4>you walk off it and you're like, that might be

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<v Speaker 4>the best golf course in the world, you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>you exactly, But which of that ten were you kind

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<v Speaker 4>of Which one did you have the least expectation going

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<v Speaker 4>into that got its way in there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question. I think it would probably be

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<v Speaker 2>Rock Creek simply because I didn't know that much about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just knew that it was a dope course in Montana.

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<v Speaker 2>I had never been to Montana. I actually played it

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<v Speaker 2>when I was in Kurtaline, Idaho, in August for one

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<v Speaker 2>of my wife's raised So I drove over to Deer Lodge,

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<v Speaker 2>actually left curt Laine at midnight to do that drive,

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<v Speaker 2>of you lose an hour of driving east, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I knew it would be good because I

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<v Speaker 2>know it was a dope It's on some ranking lists,

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<v Speaker 2>and I certainly knew would beautiful given its location.

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<v Speaker 5>But I was just really really impressed with.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything about the place. It is a really neat environment.

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<v Speaker 2>The golf course is just an incredible design. It's mountainous,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's still walkable. It really encourages fun ground shots,

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<v Speaker 2>which you don't see at mountain courses very often. The

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<v Speaker 2>scenery was gorgeous, the conditions were absolutely perfect, and so

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<v Speaker 2>having played there and driving back to kurd Laine, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time to think about it, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just really struck me as a place that was virtually perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's one of those rare courses you

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<v Speaker 2>walk off and you think that there's really nothing you

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<v Speaker 2>could change to make it better. It just really blew

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<v Speaker 2>me away. And I guess they should be used to

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<v Speaker 2>that now in seeing these dope destination courses like Ballet Neal,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, which is another of my favorites. But I

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<v Speaker 2>just heard more about Ballet Neil. I knew what I

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<v Speaker 2>was getting into when I played out there, and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have those kinds of sort of preconceived notions or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I hadn't done any study about Rock Creek

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<v Speaker 2>before I went out and played it, so I really

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<v Speaker 2>went in as a blank Kansas and it was just

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<v Speaker 2>a spectacular place. I mean, anybody ever out there, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking for places to play and you have some access,

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<v Speaker 2>or even if you don't, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Give the club a call and see what they say.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is a course that I recommend most highly

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<v Speaker 2>to anyone who is up and in that area.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just terrific that I've heard from a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people think it might be his best design dope ever,

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<v Speaker 4>but it just lacks the seaside eye candy that like

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<v Speaker 4>a Pacific Dunes that Terry d has.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's I think it's very fair. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>my three favorite dough courses are Pack Dunes, Dally Neil,

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<v Speaker 2>and Rock Creek, And depending on what references are or

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<v Speaker 2>what you feel like playing on a given day, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you could very easily rank those three in any order,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of them are terrific. All three are very

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<v Speaker 2>very high on my personal list of favorite modern golf courses.

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<v Speaker 4>So moving on, ZB, what you got for us?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you know, when we were talking about this, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't play a lot of new courses.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't think, but then you kind of were a

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<v Speaker 3>little shocked and gave me all the courses that I

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<v Speaker 3>had played, so the list came a little easier after that.

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<v Speaker 1>I would go, uh, Shadow Creek in Vegas.

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<v Speaker 3>The Fas came through with a nice one down there,

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<v Speaker 3>got over to Marion.

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<v Speaker 1>That was awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>I was actually I had heard kind of, you know

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<v Speaker 3>a few different people talk about it, and a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of people had said how amazing it was, and then

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<v Speaker 3>a few people were kind of shocked that it was

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<v Speaker 3>ranked so high. So I kind of went in with

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<v Speaker 3>low expectations for that you know, grade of a golf

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<v Speaker 3>course and was pretty blown away when.

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<v Speaker 1>I got done.

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<v Speaker 3>I was kind of offended that somebody, actually multiple people

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<v Speaker 3>thought that it wasn't like that good, so that was

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<v Speaker 3>really cool. The Pine Valley Short Course, I got to

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<v Speaker 3>play that this year for the first time and that

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<v Speaker 3>was really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we need to talk about that, Zach. Sorry to

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<v Speaker 2>interrupt you, but I also played the short course for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time this year and I was blown away.

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<v Speaker 2>So we can talk about that after you give us

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<v Speaker 2>your list. I'm glad you brought that up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, I would love to.

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<v Speaker 3>I played Lacc the South course that gil Hansk, and

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<v Speaker 3>that was really really cool. I think it's a nice

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<v Speaker 3>compliment to the North course over there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a fun, fun course.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's you know, there's like six par fives

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<v Speaker 3>and five par threes or something, and you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just really cool. It's just it's more of a fun

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<v Speaker 3>golf course compared to the North, which is very much

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<v Speaker 3>of like a championship style place that the South is

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<v Speaker 3>a little different, but it's really cool. I also got

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<v Speaker 3>to go play the Redo at Aronomic.

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<v Speaker 1>Which was awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Blown away Actually with that one was kind of another

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<v Speaker 3>one wasn't expecting. I wasn't expecting it to be that

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<v Speaker 3>amazing than it was then I got down to Australia

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<v Speaker 3>and played some sweet spots played Victoria. Kingston Heath was

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<v Speaker 3>another one that was really really cool, and then Royal

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<v Speaker 3>Melbourne was probably my.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing. You would expect it to be from the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you hear.

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<v Speaker 3>Another cool one that I got to do with you, actually, Andy,

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<v Speaker 3>was play a little dirt golf at the at the

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<v Speaker 3>Buck Club earlier this year, So I'm gonna throw that

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<v Speaker 3>one on my last Then the last one, another one

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<v Speaker 3>with you, was out in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>Got to hit up Shore Acres, which was sick.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm a big Seth Rainer fan, the Rainer man,

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<v Speaker 3>so those are kind of that's my list.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that that dirt golf was an unforgettable experience, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that that was really fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, you know how often you can go

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<v Speaker 3>to a piece of property and go out and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>put the cups and the pins in the ground and

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<v Speaker 3>actually go play like thirteen or fourteen of the holes

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<v Speaker 3>that you're planning out and actually make it playable. But

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<v Speaker 3>it was definitely really cool. So that was probably that

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<v Speaker 3>was one of my favorite rounds of the year.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, John's got to get out there next time we go.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, so I'll give you my ten, not in

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<v Speaker 4>any particular order. I have a Marine country club in Dayton,

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<v Speaker 4>which is recently redone by Keith Fosser. It's an alec

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<v Speaker 4>Knipper Campbell design and I had been told by somebody

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<v Speaker 4>that it was like one of the twenty five best

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<v Speaker 4>courses in the country, and I kind of was like, oh, yeah, whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I went out and played it like and

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<v Speaker 4>he said classic courses in the country, and like it.

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<v Speaker 4>For I would say that it is one of the best,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, courses that I've ever played. I haven't played

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<v Speaker 4>them all, so I can't say that with definite, definitive,

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<v Speaker 4>definitively that it was one of the top twenty five,

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<v Speaker 4>but just unbelievable land and just a great championship golf

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<v Speaker 4>course sand Hills in there, which obviously I mean just

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<v Speaker 4>the whole experience of going to sand Hills and then

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the golf course is absolutely remarkable. The scale

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<v Speaker 4>is jaw dropping. Every hole is just packed with strategy,

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<v Speaker 4>and there are so many alternate routes of play, like

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<v Speaker 4>you can play it so many different ways.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 4>It is very very cool and a not too tough

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<v Speaker 4>of a golf course for like a beginner. Is one

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<v Speaker 4>of the coolest things I think about that place is

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<v Speaker 4>that a thirty handicap can go out there and have

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<v Speaker 4>a decent time because those contours can really help them.

0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.640
<v Speaker 4>And it's you don't spend very much time looking for

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<v Speaker 4>golf balls. One that I went out with you, Zach

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<v Speaker 4>Fisher's Island, is on that list. Another unbelievable golf experience,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, you're one of those ones that you

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<v Speaker 4>don't never know when you'll get back there, so you cherish.

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<v Speaker 4>We had like an absolutely perfect day out there, and

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<v Speaker 4>just the scenery mixed with the rainer templates is uh.

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<v Speaker 4>It gives you like a slice of what Cypress Point,

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<v Speaker 4>as SETH Rayner Cypress Point might have been. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Then Chicago Golf, that was a really cool one. I

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<v Speaker 4>did Chicago Golf short akers and fishers all in like

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<v Speaker 4>a ten day stretch. It was. It was pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>But Chicago Golf, I mean the scale in it's similar

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<v Speaker 4>to what you said about Marion is. You hear a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of people say Chicago golf's not that great, Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not that special, and then you get out there

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<v Speaker 4>and you're like, what, what were those people talking about?

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<v Speaker 4>A modern one that I really liked. I played Kingsley

0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.920
<v Speaker 4>Club up in northern Michigan. That's a really cool place,

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<v Speaker 4>really cool course. Would anybody that gets a chance to

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<v Speaker 4>go up there, I would highly recommend, and then I

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<v Speaker 4>would throw it in there. Right next next to it

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<v Speaker 4>is Crystal Downs, which.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I walked off sand Hills and I was like, Wow,

0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.120
<v Speaker 4>that might be the best golf course in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I walked off Crystal Downs a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>weeks later and was like, whoa, that might be the

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<v Speaker 4>best golf course in the world. I mean, that place

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<v Speaker 4>with the land, the greens, it is truly truly amazing.

0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.080
<v Speaker 4>A funny story from there was I was I played.

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<v Speaker 4>I ended up playing with this guy that was a

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<v Speaker 4>clearly a you know, somebody that was more interested in

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<v Speaker 4>checking off lists than like, really you know, understanding why

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<v Speaker 4>Ciper or why Crystal Downs was so great. And we

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<v Speaker 4>were in the locker room after the round and he said,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I don't I don't think that course was

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<v Speaker 4>that great. And I go and like, meanwhile, I'm in

0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.359
<v Speaker 4>like the complete opposite state of mind, taking my shoes

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<v Speaker 4>off like like, you know, completely shocked at how amazing

0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.119
<v Speaker 4>what I just saw was. And he goes, you know,

0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:18.159
<v Speaker 4>the views just weren't that good, so that that was

0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:22.320
<v Speaker 4>a funny story from that trip. And then I would say,

0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:27.120
<v Speaker 4>Ballyneil is in there, Doake's course in Colorado. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>just jaw dropping scale, ground movement. I mean that that

0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.880
<v Speaker 4>land site is is something that you can't believe until

0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:41.480
<v Speaker 4>you get out there. Then a public one that everybody like,

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<v Speaker 4>it's on my list that every single person in America

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<v Speaker 4>should go play. If you love golf course architecture is

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<v Speaker 4>posit t empo. It is absolutely worth the two hundred

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<v Speaker 4>dollars ticket to go play it. You know, it is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, a really great mackenzie golf course. The back

0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.560
<v Speaker 4>nine is one of the best nine holes of golf

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<v Speaker 4>anywhere in the world. And there aren't many public McKenzie

0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.600
<v Speaker 4>courses that are you know, that can give you the

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<v Speaker 4>idea of what arguably the greatest golf course architect and

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<v Speaker 4>ever you know how his work was in the States

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<v Speaker 4>at least. And then my last spot I couldn't I

0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.959
<v Speaker 4>couldn't decide between Saint Louis Country Club and then Culver

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<v Speaker 4>the nine Court nine hole course in Indiana, which is

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<v Speaker 4>a Lankford Moreau, and then Saint Louis Country Club is

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<v Speaker 4>a McDonald, so I kind of have those slashed.

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<v Speaker 2>I also saw Culver for the first time this year,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm with you there. I was astonished at at

0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.200
<v Speaker 2>how cold that place was. What a neat little nine

0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:54.000
<v Speaker 2>hole golf course.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, nothing to do, nothing to do about

0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.399
<v Speaker 3>your list. But one of the stories you tell in

0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:05.520
<v Speaker 3>there about the guy when you played Crystal Downs kind

0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.199
<v Speaker 3>of the same thing when I played Marion. Something that

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<v Speaker 3>I've learned in the last couple of years is it's

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<v Speaker 3>just something like either people get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Or they don't, you know, and it's nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's nothing wrong with the people that don't

0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:23.320
<v Speaker 3>get it about like, you know, really good golf course architecture,

0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.440
<v Speaker 3>but it's just something, you know, there's just people out

0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.000
<v Speaker 3>there that just don't understand it and they don't get it.

0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.680
<v Speaker 3>And that's you know, something that I didn't I couldn't

0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.439
<v Speaker 3>grasp I couldn't get my head around it for a

0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.520
<v Speaker 3>couple of years, thinking, you know, there were people out

0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.359
<v Speaker 3>there that didn't understand that this was amazing. But people

0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.600
<v Speaker 3>just have different you know opinions, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>And it's just wild to think that that it's possible

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<v Speaker 3>that some people don't think that there's those places that

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<v Speaker 3>are that amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>But it just it just kind of happens. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of weird.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was. He kept going on and on and

0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:04.199
<v Speaker 4>on about how awesome Arcadia Bluff was, but like that,

0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.600
<v Speaker 4>and I mean, that's a really cool place. It's it's

0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:10.680
<v Speaker 4>a beautiful place that you'll like the views are unbelievable

0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.240
<v Speaker 4>and I really enjoyed playing out there, but like it's

0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.640
<v Speaker 4>not a place that I'm ever dying to go back

0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.560
<v Speaker 4>and play. But like Crystal Downs, Like I like woke

0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.920
<v Speaker 4>up this morning thinking about like the the sixth hole

0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:26.880
<v Speaker 4>there and how how cool it is. You know, It's

0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.760
<v Speaker 4>like I've never done that with Arcadia Bluffs. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's just it's just one of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well you hope, you hope. It's a matter of

0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:39.359
<v Speaker 2>sort of education progressing along as people see more courses.

0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, not for nothing, but the three of

0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.679
<v Speaker 2>us have seen a lot of golf courses, good and bad.

0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:48.800
<v Speaker 2>And when you when you have that, I mean, look,

0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.600
<v Speaker 2>when I first started out and got into the game

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<v Speaker 2>and was really you know, fresh to this and seeing

0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:59.359
<v Speaker 2>new places. You know, I was more enamored, most likely

0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.560
<v Speaker 2>at that point with a lookout over a lake than

0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I was over the design of a particular hole. But

0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.960
<v Speaker 2>as you see more and more, you hope at least

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd say this, it's a very very real risk

0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:13.639
<v Speaker 2>of sounding pretentious about it, and I don't mean to,

0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.760
<v Speaker 2>but you hope that as people see more and are

0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.680
<v Speaker 2>exposed to more of these these designs and different spots

0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.440
<v Speaker 2>and different locations, that they that they at least begin

0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.800
<v Speaker 2>to start to grasp the ideas and the concepts and

0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:31.240
<v Speaker 2>the reasons that make a place like Crystal Down so

0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.960
<v Speaker 2>special or a place like Marian so special. And I

0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:39.560
<v Speaker 2>say that in their hopes, not my own. I mean, granted,

0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:41.679
<v Speaker 2>the more people who are interested in this, the more

0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:43.639
<v Speaker 2>people I have to talk to about it, which I

0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.080
<v Speaker 2>enjoy doing and it's a fun way to entertain myself.

0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.440
<v Speaker 2>But it strikes me as a real shame that anybody

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.680
<v Speaker 2>could go to a place like Marion or a place

0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:55.800
<v Speaker 2>like Crystal Downs and won't walk off thinking that it

0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:59.560
<v Speaker 2>was anything other than an amazing golf course. Uh, you know,

0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.720
<v Speaker 2>the idea something like that is lost on somebody. It

0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:05.480
<v Speaker 2>strikes me as similar to somebody walking around the love

0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:09.560
<v Speaker 2>and seeing all these masterworks and thinking, yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, I don't see what the big deal is.

0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:15.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's that's a real shame. And hopefully, you know,

0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:17.520
<v Speaker 2>those people eventually do come around, and I think a

0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.080
<v Speaker 2>lot of people do. And I'm one of them, you know,

0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll admit to that. I am absolutely a person who

0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:26.200
<v Speaker 2>early on could not grasp the real significance of certain

0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.639
<v Speaker 2>places and certain concepts. But as I saw mover and

0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 2>I developed a greater basis of knowledge, I was more

0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:34.160
<v Speaker 2>able to do those kind of things. So I hold

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<v Speaker 2>out hope.

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<v Speaker 4>For Yeah, the I think that it is so true,

0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:42.320
<v Speaker 4>it's and it require you know, there's just the hardest

0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.960
<v Speaker 4>thing is is learning this stuff. It can't be done overnight.

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<v Speaker 4>It's and you know, frankly like some people play golf

0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:54.560
<v Speaker 4>for different reasons, you know, So it's uh, I always

0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:59.280
<v Speaker 4>wonder what the top one hundred ranking lists with in

0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:02.920
<v Speaker 4>this almost impossible to do. But if if if C

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:06.600
<v Speaker 4>like ocean views wasn't a part of it, or water

0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:11.280
<v Speaker 4>views like where certain places would rank very true.

0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm a photographer in addition to being a golfer.

0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:18.240
<v Speaker 2>And so I love nothing more than a golf course

0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 2>sitting next to an ocean, and it's a factor and

0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:25.120
<v Speaker 2>how I look at golf courses. Again, I admit to that.

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.399
<v Speaker 2>But it is interesting to see how a place like

0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:31.520
<v Speaker 2>on the modern side, Bowing Yale or sand Hills, or

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:33.760
<v Speaker 2>on the classic side, a place like I mean, Short

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Acres is a great example. It's right there next to

0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.480
<v Speaker 2>a lake, but there are no views of the lake.

0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:41.679
<v Speaker 2>But I think you'd be hard pressed to find anybody

0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:43.840
<v Speaker 2>who thinks that that is anything less than an outstanding

0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.400
<v Speaker 2>golf course. So it is interesting in that regard.

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<v Speaker 4>Zach. You're you're building a course without any ocean views.

0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:54.480
<v Speaker 4>How would you how would you combat that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, my my options for ocean views and

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:05.560
<v Speaker 3>you we're limited so now, but you know, at the

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:07.639
<v Speaker 3>end of the day, when when you see like the

0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 3>number one course in the world, Pine Valley is in

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:14.200
<v Speaker 3>the middle of like the pine barrens, no ocean views

0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:17.560
<v Speaker 3>and it's consistently ranked number one, it kind of gives

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:19.679
<v Speaker 3>you hope that you know you can do it.

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:22.960
<v Speaker 1>So it's just it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Just things, Uh, you know, you hope you build a

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.760
<v Speaker 3>really good golf course that people have fun at and enjoy,

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.400
<v Speaker 3>and that's kind of the only thing you can do.

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 4>Do you guys have.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I mean I've seen the photos of your day

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.120
<v Speaker 2>out there, and you know, you might not have an ocean, Zach,

0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:42.159
<v Speaker 2>but you've got some pretty incredible views at that place.

0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's it's good, you know, I kind of

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm always.

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<v Speaker 3>A little uh worried when I take people out out

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.719
<v Speaker 3>there because I'm so spoiled with, you know, living in

0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.439
<v Speaker 3>Utah my whole life and grew you know, growing up

0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:01.880
<v Speaker 3>in Park City and having these unbelievable mountain views.

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 1>And so when you go there, you don't know how.

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:08.160
<v Speaker 3>People will react really when they see it, but it usually,

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:11.240
<v Speaker 3>I mean everyone I've taken out there has always been

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.239
<v Speaker 3>pretty blown away with with how cool it is.

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 1>So that's always nice.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to see you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So let's move on to the uh to the

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<v Speaker 4>biggest surprises? What uh what places that might not have

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:31.800
<v Speaker 4>made that the ten best that you saw list that

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:32.919
<v Speaker 4>really surprised you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you mean to go first whatever.

0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 4>Whatever order you want to go, Zach, you want to.

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 3>Go no, no, Cavalier, go first, all right, I'll name

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 3>a few, so some of these are more surprising than others.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh. On the list of places that really exceeded

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:54.120
<v Speaker 2>my expectations this year or gave me something I wasn't expecting,

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Bellao Country Club is a place that really blew.

0:25:57.800 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 5>My socks off.

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was absolutely incredible. I went in there

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 2>thinking that it was going to be really rough around

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 2>the edges, given that at the time they were scheduled

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:11.640
<v Speaker 2>to close for a Tom Doak restoration, And usually when

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 2>a course is undergoing a restoration, it's for a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>significant reason given the costs. So I wanted to see

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 2>it before so that I could.

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<v Speaker 5>Compare it after.

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<v Speaker 2>And what was on the ground at the time, and

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:25.920
<v Speaker 2>this was in May, was astonishing to me. I thought

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.920
<v Speaker 2>it was incredible. One of the most ingeniously ratied golf

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 2>courses that I'd ever seen, and some truly out just

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:37.160
<v Speaker 2>outstanding golf holes there. So the idea that Tom Doak

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.959
<v Speaker 2>is now there working on restoring it to the George

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Thomas original design excites me to know and and I

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 2>can't wait to get back. That was a great one.

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Colorado Golf Club by Coran Crenshaw outside of Denver, was

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 2>a place same thing. I mean, I had pretty high

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.360
<v Speaker 2>expectations going in, but what I ended up seeing there

0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:01.439
<v Speaker 2>was really beyond anything I had hoped for. It's one

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 2>of the best modern courses I'd ever played, and I

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:05.920
<v Speaker 2>don't know that I've ever played a modern course that

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 2>it fits it's surrounding as well as this place does.

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 2>The views are incredible, the design is fantastic, and it

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 2>is just a super fun place to play golf. Really

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 2>A big fan of that place. While we're on the

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:25.160
<v Speaker 2>core in Crenshaw, uh Sam Valley and in particular Mammothdon's

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:29.399
<v Speaker 2>Sam Valley is obviously wonderful. It's already ranked on the

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 2>US Top one hundred list, and with good reason. It's

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.360
<v Speaker 2>a public golf course, and for all your listeners who

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 2>are out there looking for public golf destinations, Sam Valley is,

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.919
<v Speaker 2>if not there already, it's certainly on the cusp of

0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 2>entering into that. That bandon Dune's stream song colar short

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:53.640
<v Speaker 2>list of places that are just the very best for

0:27:54.240 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 2>public destination golf in the United States, but Mammothons in particular,

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:03.639
<v Speaker 2>I think there were only six holes open when I

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:05.880
<v Speaker 2>played it, but I was able to walk and see

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the golf course. That's the David McClay

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Kid Course, the second course there. I am very eager

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 2>to see the finished product because that course, at least

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 2>in my experience, was really unique amongst American public golf

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 2>courses massively, Why Fairways, humongous green, just an amazing place

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 2>to play for both the novice and the experts. It's

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:37.120
<v Speaker 2>going to be terrific and I can't wait to see

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 2>how it stacks up to San Valley. I was able

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 2>to see West Hampton and Southampton this year, which were

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 2>the two rainers left on Long Island that I hadn't seen,

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 2>and again, given them, I'm a Raire fan, I knew

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 2>i'd like them. But those are courses that are really

0:28:55.760 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 2>overshadowed given the neighborhood that they're in with Golf Links

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:04.960
<v Speaker 2>and Shinnacock right down the street. Other big name moderns

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 2>like Friar's Head and Savonak are nearby. You've made Stone

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 2>down the street, so it's a tough neighborhood. But these

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 2>two courses were just classic gems that don't get the

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>recognition or the exposure that they deserve, and if you

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 2>scoop them up and planted them in any other location

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 2>in the country. I think that they would each get

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 2>serious consideration for top one hundred lists. They're just fantastic

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 2>examples of classic architecture that are well maintained and just

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 2>have features that you don't get to see very often

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 2>outside of these classic courses that Rain are in his

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 2>contemporaries built. Other than that, White Bear Yacht Club was

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 2>a course that really exceeded my expectations. Super fun course

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 2>outside of Minneapolis. Some of the most wild fairways I've

0:29:56.440 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 2>ever seen. Elevation changes, slopes in the greens, and the features.

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 2>It just it's a one of a kind place. I'm

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 2>not sure why it doesn't get more more recognition. I

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's overshadowed by, uh, you know, the

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 2>other big name Minneapolis courses like interlock In and Hazeltem,

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 2>but it is a tremendous, tremendous spot. Other than that,

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned Culbert that was a place that really was terrific.

0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 2>We'll talk more about the Pine Valley Short Course a

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 2>little a little later on, I guess, and otherwise, uh,

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 2>let's say that's that's really oh balle Neil. The Mulligan

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 2>course there the par three course, the dope built.

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 2>If you ever get a chance to go out the

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Vali Neilist for your listeners, make sure, just like at

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 2>dan and Dunes with Preserve, make sure you're building time

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 2>to play the Mulligan Course, because I guarantee you you

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>have never seen anything like this place. The wildest screens

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 2>I have ever seen on a golf course. I don't

0:30:57.000 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 2>know what Tom Doak was thinking or doing or drinking

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 2>when he built these things, but I am very much

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 2>in favor of whatever he did to create these things,

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 2>because they are absolutely amazing. And I can't imagine anybody

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 2>going out there and seeing these greens and playing this

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 2>little course would have anything less than one of the

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 2>most enjoyable rounds that are life so highly recommended. And

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 2>I think that's it for me on my list.

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 4>ZB.

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So when I was thinking about this, there was

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 3>definitely one place that was in my top ten new

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 3>courses for twenty seventeen that I totally just botched and missed.

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Baltimore Country Club was so sick, like I was.

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 3>We had went out. We were trying to play Burning

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Tree the week of the Quick and Loans National in Washington, DC,

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 3>and that kind of fell through. So we went up

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 3>and played Elkridge, which is an old rainer course kind

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 3>of just I guess north of Baltimore, and someone reached

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 3>out on Twitter and was like, hey, if you're over there,

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 3>you should come over to you know, Baltimore Country Cloud.

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 3>It's like the best course in in the area. And

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 3>we're like, yeah, whatever, we'll come over. We'll you know,

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 3>it was Wednesday of the tournament and we were like, yeah,

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 3>we'll shoot over there and went over there and immediately,

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 3>like stepping on the first hole, it has that like

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 3>wow scale and we were like, okay, yeah, this is

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 3>this is legit and it was really really cool so

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 3>that I don't know what I would bump out on

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 3>my top ten, but I'm throwing that one in there,

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 3>so we'll go top eleven. But some courses that that

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 3>were kind of under the radar that surprised me. Shady

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 3>Oaks down in Fort Worth went and played that. That

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 3>was really cool there. They're just about to tear it

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 3>up and do a big renovation, and they also had

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 3>a really cool short course out there that had just

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 3>got done, so that was pretty cool to see. Barn

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 3>Google Dunes and Lost Farm down in Tasmania. I was

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 3>very surprised with both of them. You know, the Dunes

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 3>course probably the more famous one, I guess down there

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 3>Dope did that one and it was awesome. Probably honestly,

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 3>out of all the courses we played in Australia, I

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 3>would say it was up there with It was just

0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 3>consistently whole.

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>To hole, really really good.

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 3>There was no real like low points or spots that

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 3>kind of felt like they didn't belong. It was really

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 3>solid all eighteen and then the Lost Farms course was

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 3>a core crunch awe had one of the coolest opening

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 3>stretches I've ever seen on a golf course. And then

0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 3>the finish there was pretty strong too.

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 4>So I got a question, how would you compare like

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:10.240
<v Speaker 4>Melbourne golf to like say like New York or Philly

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:11.879
<v Speaker 4>Like as a golf scene.

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 3>I would say, it's you know, just as good. Uh

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:22.280
<v Speaker 3>what's cool? And you know when I played in Philly

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 3>this year, we went Marion, Ironomic and Pine Valley.

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:28.839
<v Speaker 1>You know they're all within forty minutes of each other.

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Same thing.

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 3>You get up to Long Island and you know you

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 3>go play some of those places. Obviously National and Shinney

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 3>and Southampton are right there, but then everything else, you know,

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:39.440
<v Speaker 3>it is within an hour.

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I would say maybe an hour and thirty minutes. The

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 1>difference with Melbourne is everything's like five minutes away. So

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, you got you.

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 3>Got Victoria, both courses at Royal Melbourne, Kingston Heath, Metro,

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:01.239
<v Speaker 3>Yari Yara. You know you've got all these courses commonweal,

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.720
<v Speaker 3>you've got fifteen golf courses that are like world class

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 3>courses within like five to ten minutes of each other.

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 3>So I would say that's kind of the biggest difference

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:14.919
<v Speaker 3>is just the proximity.

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:16.720
<v Speaker 1>They're just it is crazy.

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 3>So somebody actually, I think Ogilvy was telling me it

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 3>was actually kind of just by chance that it happened.

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:27.359
<v Speaker 3>All the courses originally in Melbourne were kind of near

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 3>the downtown area and then it started getting busy and

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the clubs were like, you know, we

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.439
<v Speaker 3>should we should like move our course because we don't

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 3>want to be like where it's this busy, and they

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 3>just happened to pick like that area and it was

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 3>like this perfect sandy soil. So so it's pretty cool

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 3>how it all happened, and it's a really cool.

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 4>Area Yeah, that's that's cool. What about that. I was

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 4>wondering about that Keeney Park place.

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.040
<v Speaker 3>I was just I just had it on my list

0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:01.880
<v Speaker 3>right there, Keeney Park in Heart. I went over there

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 3>a couple times actually during the week of the Hartford Tournament,

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 3>and it's really cool. It's kind of got like a

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 3>twist on a lot of template holes and it's it's

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:15.359
<v Speaker 3>really neat. I would highly recommend it to anybody that's

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:17.399
<v Speaker 3>kind of up there to at least go check it out.

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean, they were really cool out there.

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't too busy, but I thought it was really fun.

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed that a lot.

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 3>And then my last one would probably be the Bad

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Little Nine at Scottsdale National. I went out there this

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 3>year during the waste management on a Wednesday, and that

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 3>thing is crazy, how cool it is like out of

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:46.920
<v Speaker 3>this world.

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:53.480
<v Speaker 2>By the way, second second vote for Keeney Park here.

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I played there last fall while I was up in

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Hartford for a trial, and I thought that was just

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.359
<v Speaker 2>super cool place. It's a muni that they're they've been

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 2>putting some money back into and they just have some

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 2>fantastic holes there. I was really surprised would have made

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 2>my list this year had I played in twenty seventeen.

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 4>That's the pictures Zach sent me of that place, Like

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 4>I've like instantly, I now have it like circled if

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 4>I'm ever within, you know, anywhere close to what's it costs,

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:26.399
<v Speaker 4>like thirty forty bucks.

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was going to say. I was going

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 1>to say, like twenty five.

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:33.879
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's that's the type of golf course that needs

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 4>to live more. And like I don't know how conditioning

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:40.240
<v Speaker 4>is there, but like looking past the conditioning and looking

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.799
<v Speaker 4>at like the cool golf shots you get a hit

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.239
<v Speaker 4>and the interesting situations you get in is just so important.

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:49.880
<v Speaker 4>That's I've got a couple of those places on my

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 4>list of surprises. Two of them are in Cleveland. So

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 4>this place Mannikiki, which is the old Donald Ross and

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:02.360
<v Speaker 4>Sleepy Hollow which is the old SA Only Thompson. But

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 4>both of them are in disrepair unfortunately, like offensive cart pass,

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 4>like just some of the worst car path placement I've

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 4>ever seen in my life. So I took a picture

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 4>of one of the holes out at Manikiki. It's like this,

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.799
<v Speaker 4>You'll love this, Zach and John. It's like a two

0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 4>hundred and ten yard par three, and I guess they

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 4>have the Cleveland Am there every year, and the cart

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 4>path is literally one foot off the green, and there's

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 4>like this big ravine behind the green, so like, you know,

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.720
<v Speaker 4>you can miss this. You're hitting like a long iron

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 4>and you can miss the green by a foot and

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:50.840
<v Speaker 4>it hits the cart path and kicks into an unplayable lie.

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 4>But I mean when I posted a picture there, like

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:56.759
<v Speaker 4>I got like twenty emails from people that played in

0:38:56.800 --> 0:39:00.840
<v Speaker 4>the Cleveland Am complaining about that cart path, which is funny.

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 4>But man, if you if you put a million dollars

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:05.359
<v Speaker 4>into one of those places, you would come back with

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 4>like just in and one of the better public courses

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:15.280
<v Speaker 4>in the in the country. And then ah, another surprise

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 4>I had on here was the country Club in Cleveland.

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:24.800
<v Speaker 4>You know, I kind of went into it with no expectations,

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 4>and my god, like I I almost put that into

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 4>my my ten best, like it is so so good.

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 4>It just like reaffirms my love of William Flynn, seeing

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 4>like a great course of his outside of Philly. God,

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:42.239
<v Speaker 4>he he just knew how to build a really good

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:46.800
<v Speaker 4>golf course. And then the last one I gotta gotta

0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 4>give my boy Reese a shout out. Rehys Jones redesigned

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:56.959
<v Speaker 4>or restored Medina number two, like is really good. Lots

0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:01.760
<v Speaker 4>of short restoration. Yes, I I I mean I couldn't

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 4>believe it. Like three holes in. I was like, man,

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 4>this is pretty good. You know. I went into it

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 4>with with like expecting something to be messed up, but like,

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 4>I really enjoyed my round.

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Yo. Andy.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's there's this course in uh in Cleveland. It's

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's like ten minutes away from from the

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:38.800
<v Speaker 3>country club. It's called Acacia. It was this old Donald

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 3>Ross track that went under. They're going to build like

0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:46.919
<v Speaker 3>houses on it. But there's this Highland Park place that's

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:50.960
<v Speaker 3>literally like right across the street from Canterbury that is

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:54.400
<v Speaker 3>like this thirty six hole like public place. I don't really,

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:57.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't know much about it. I think it's okay.

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean it hosted like a Cleveland stayed Open or

0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.399
<v Speaker 3>something way back in the day that Arnold Palmer won.

0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:07.719
<v Speaker 3>But they tried to save it. They tried to save

0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 3>the Donald Ross course by saying like, hey, we'll give

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.839
<v Speaker 3>you the Highland Park place to build houses on. It's

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:17.720
<v Speaker 3>thirty six holes and we'll put all that money into

0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 3>this Acacia place. That there was this old Donald Ross

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 3>track up there that it is supposed to be like

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 3>super sick.

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 1>But they lost it. Now it's just like some park.

0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:32.799
<v Speaker 3>Overgrown like like like some w like like reservation they've

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 3>turned it into for the next couple of years until

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:36.239
<v Speaker 3>they build houses on it.

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I thought you would have liked that, though. Have you

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 1>ever heard of that place, Acasha?

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:43.280
<v Speaker 4>I haven't. It just makes me sad.

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, it was.

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 3>This guy when I was up having lunch in Cleveland

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.759
<v Speaker 3>was telling me about it, and he was like, yeah, man,

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 3>we did every We tried so hard to make them

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 3>do like that. There was some like tax break they

0:41:57.680 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 3>could take if they if they flipped the courses and

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 3>did it at the other one, but the city ended

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:03.880
<v Speaker 3>up not doing it. And this guy was so bumped

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:07.000
<v Speaker 3>because he grew up playing at this Acacia Donald Ross course.

0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:10.000
<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to go check it out.

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 3>But it's all overgrown now. You can't even like recognize

0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:13.840
<v Speaker 3>anything anymore.

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 1>It sucks.

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 4>It's twenty seventeen. It's going to be the year I

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 4>think back and remember how I got way too deep

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 4>in the municipal golf game, and that just how maddening

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 4>it is, and how oh god, it's just a nightmare.

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 4>It's like these you realize these courses are destined to

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.680
<v Speaker 4>be a shell of what they should be because of

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 4>like just the the situation they're in, you know, and

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 4>like the town will always look at them as a service,

0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:54.759
<v Speaker 4>and you know, for the most part, a lot of

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:58.280
<v Speaker 4>times a loss on the balance sheet, and can never

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:01.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, see that how much better it could be?

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 3>Andy, two courses right now, if you could, if you

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 3>could take them back to what they originally were, or

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 3>like what they were meant to be.

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 1>What two courses would you change?

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:22.800
<v Speaker 4>Public or any courses, any course in America? Oh man,

0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't ready for this question.

0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay to you too, John.

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Pebble Beach would be one of mine.

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 4>I mean, augusta.

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Right old beach.

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:41.280
<v Speaker 2>You see old pictures of Pebble Beach, and look, Pebble Beach.

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:44.920
<v Speaker 5>Is obviously a great course as it sits today. But

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:46.759
<v Speaker 5>if you ever see old pictures of.

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Pebble floating around online with the dunes and the exposed

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 2>stand and the oddly shaped greens and the beautiful bunkers, Uh,

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:58.480
<v Speaker 2>it will make you weep for what could be there.

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so that's yeah, I got one for you guys.

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:07.440
<v Speaker 4>Sharp Park, the Mackenzie and San Francisco. That was like

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:10.160
<v Speaker 4>the public cyper's point. I mean, like if you could somehow,

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.439
<v Speaker 4>which I don't think is possible, it would just get

0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 4>washed away. But like they had two he had two

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:20.720
<v Speaker 4>holes that played right down the shoreline of the Pacific Ocean,

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 4>Like I mean, like that place could be spectacular. It's

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 4>another example of municipal golf and you know, the trials

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 4>and tribulations of of you know, putting something in the

0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 4>hands of the government to run.

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.160
<v Speaker 2>I've been to Sharp Park, Andy, but I've never played it.

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping I'll be out there in two weeks and

0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:44.560
<v Speaker 2>it's on my list, so I'm hoping to get a

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 2>look at it while I'm out there.

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:49.319
<v Speaker 4>I would be careful, don't I guess there's been a

0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.560
<v Speaker 4>rash of people punching in the backs of windows and

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.680
<v Speaker 4>stealing stuff out of cars, so you know, put put

0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 4>your stuff in your trunk.

0:44:57.719 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the pro tip.

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 6>Maybe all maybe yeah, that thick shot, Yeah, you know,

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:11.319
<v Speaker 6>potential sponsor of the pod uber But then, uh, I

0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:14.520
<v Speaker 6>mean I would say Sharp Park, and I think I think,

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 6>I mean, Yale would be an interesting one to look at.

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:25.799
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I think I think that would probably be

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:29.440
<v Speaker 4>That'd be a pretty cool one to to look at.

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:34.520
<v Speaker 4>There's so many, it's tough. I mean, Lido Course is

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:40.440
<v Speaker 4>the number one. Yeah, but I don't think you can

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:42.640
<v Speaker 4>get that one back. So we you know, we'll get it.

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 4>We'll get that one away.

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:48.720
<v Speaker 1>But what about you, Yeah, I don't know. Uh, Pebble

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:49.760
<v Speaker 1>would be a cool one.

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Like like John was saying, those those pictures you see

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:58.839
<v Speaker 3>are just out of control, and then yeah, I mean

0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 3>you guys kind of mentioned all of them.

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing no more to add. I'm good, all right.

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:09.320
<v Speaker 4>So where are you guys looking? Uh, what's the let's

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:15.359
<v Speaker 4>just say one city slash like densely concentrated area that

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:17.920
<v Speaker 4>you are dying to see in twenty eighteen.

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, for me, Andy, it is on the Atlanta Chattanooga area.

0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 2>It's the only area I had on my list in

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:32.160
<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen that I didn't get to. I've played very

0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:36.279
<v Speaker 2>little golf in and around that area, and I know

0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 2>they're not really next to each other, but they're certainly

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>doable on the same trip.

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:45.279
<v Speaker 4>You know us, You guys, we didn't play around at

0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 4>National Golf Links like we talked about, and you guys

0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 4>didn't go to Sweens like you guys promised me.

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. I get asked about Sweden's Code

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:55.040
<v Speaker 2>more than any other.

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:58.600
<v Speaker 4>Course now now that I remember that, Like, I probably

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.239
<v Speaker 4>shouldn't have reinvited you guys on until you did that.

0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Maybe right, But twenty eighteen will not pass without me

0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:09.359
<v Speaker 2>getting down there. I am dying to see Peach Tree.

0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 2>It's probably my number one US wish list course nowadays.

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 2>I've just heard so many amazing things about it. I'm

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 2>dying to play there.

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 5>I'd like to see east Lake. I'd like to see

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:20.880
<v Speaker 5>Cousca Willa.

0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:24.520
<v Speaker 2>I certainly would like to see Honors. I'd love to

0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 2>see those two little nine hole or Sweeten's Cove. Like

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 2>I said, I get asked about it all the time.

0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Everybody I know who's played there just raves about the place.

0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:32.399
<v Speaker 2>So I really want to get down there and see that.

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to see Sawani, which I believe is a

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 2>gil Hans restoration or maybe an original. I'm not really sure.

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:43.799
<v Speaker 4>You know, there's there's another course. Out there. That's like

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:46.040
<v Speaker 4>in Georgia. It's kind of in the sticks that I

0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:51.839
<v Speaker 4>stumbled across called Old Tocoa and it's a it's an

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 4>accent Dave Axelin design, who's been you know, one of

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, Corn Crenshaw's right hand Matt Man for like,

0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:03.919
<v Speaker 4>And it looks incredible and it's probably about an hour

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:05.200
<v Speaker 4>from Sweetens.

0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:07.799
<v Speaker 1>Nine holes, right, they're trying to make it eighteen though.

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:12.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it looks really cool. Beautiful, beautiful bunkering. Yeah, I'd

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 4>add that into your list.

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Picture that.

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:19.240
<v Speaker 2>So much good golf down there that just is waiting.

0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:22.600
<v Speaker 2>So I'm dying to go down there. And I know

0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:24.200
<v Speaker 2>you only ask for one. But the other thing I

0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:26.240
<v Speaker 2>need to do is I need to get back to Ohio.

0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:29.719
<v Speaker 2>You guys are just talking about Cleveland area courses. I

0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:33.720
<v Speaker 2>did get to Ohio for a very short trip early

0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 2>in the summer in twenty seventeen when I played Camargo

0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:40.680
<v Speaker 2>and I also played Arfield Village and the Golf Club,

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:44.360
<v Speaker 2>all of which were exceptional. But there are like twenty

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:48.800
<v Speaker 2>five golf courses in Ohio that I just hear nothing

0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 2>but great things about. And given like I said that

0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I live in Pennsylvania, it's our neighbor to the to

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:57.160
<v Speaker 2>the west. It's disgraceful how little golf I've played in Ohio.

0:48:57.320 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to get back out there at least

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 2>once this year and try to clean some of that up.

0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:06.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah for me, I mean, I can't really narrow it

0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:11.040
<v Speaker 3>down to like one place, but Sweeten's is kind of

0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:12.960
<v Speaker 3>on the top of the list.

0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get out there, hopefully for DJ's birthday.

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:18.400
<v Speaker 2>And then.

0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:22.719
<v Speaker 3>But man, there's a bunch of places in San Francisco

0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:26.200
<v Speaker 3>that I need to check out. I want to go

0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:29.680
<v Speaker 3>to check out Myopia and Essex up in the Boston area,

0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:32.799
<v Speaker 3>and then sand Hills.

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Camargo, Crystal Downs. Just too many, too many that I

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:38.799
<v Speaker 1>need to go to.

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I literally I don't

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:46.799
<v Speaker 4>know if I'm gonna be in Chicago for like a

0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:52.120
<v Speaker 4>week this summer, but I'm uh, I think so I

0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:54.000
<v Speaker 4>got I gotta go to New York. I gotta go

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:57.719
<v Speaker 4>to New York and Boston and you know, a bunch

0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 4>of places, but under the rate are I really am excited.

0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:06.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to go up to Detroit for a while,

0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 4>and I don't think I'm even going to play Oakland Hills.

0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:12.719
<v Speaker 4>I want to play the other courses in Detroit more

0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:17.359
<v Speaker 4>than Oakland Hills. Yeah, I want to do Orchard Lake,

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:25.680
<v Speaker 4>Franklin Hills, Meadow Brook. God, I'm Bloomfield Hills Country Club

0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:28.400
<v Speaker 4>of Detroit. I mean they are there's I think they have.

0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:31.560
<v Speaker 4>They have a Travis, they have Allison, they have a Cult,

0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:35.440
<v Speaker 4>they have a you know, Willie Park Junior, they have

0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:39.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's such a They have a Ross, you know,

0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:42.960
<v Speaker 4>a few rosses. They have such good variety of architects.

0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:45.360
<v Speaker 4>That's why I really like is uh, you know a

0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:47.719
<v Speaker 4>place where you can go and you can see five

0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 4>different guys work. And I think that's one of the

0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:53.040
<v Speaker 4>coolest things about like Philly and you know, and even

0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:57.080
<v Speaker 4>Chicago does a certain extent, But you know, these smaller

0:50:57.120 --> 0:51:01.000
<v Speaker 4>cities that have like, you know, a like amazing how

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:06.480
<v Speaker 4>people got you know, how these architects got there. You know, so.

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:09.480
<v Speaker 2>True, so true. Hey, and Andy, by the way, you

0:51:09.520 --> 0:51:10.480
<v Speaker 2>bring up another.

0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:12.120
<v Speaker 5>I guess I brought it up with Orchard Lake.

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 2>But that's like the fourth Keith Foster restoration we've mentioned

0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 2>on this podcast. So just shout out to Keith Foster,

0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:22.359
<v Speaker 2>one of the most humble people that I've ever had

0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:26.040
<v Speaker 2>the pleasure of meeting in the golf business, and everything

0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 2>the guy touches turned the absolute golf goal. I have

0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:33.160
<v Speaker 2>never played a Keith Foster restoration that I didn't absolutely love.

0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Zak mentioned Baltimore Country Club earlier. Keith Foster did that restoration.

0:51:37.960 --> 0:51:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Like you mentioned, he did the work at Moraine. He

0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:43.000
<v Speaker 2>also did work at Philly Country Club that's been extremely

0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:46.319
<v Speaker 2>well received. He's done things at Eastward Ho, He's done

0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:48.880
<v Speaker 2>things at Stand's Point. I mean, the guy is just

0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:52.440
<v Speaker 2>a master artist when it comes to restoring class of

0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:56.320
<v Speaker 2>golf courses. And I just wanted to take a second

0:51:56.440 --> 0:52:00.239
<v Speaker 2>and shout out Keith Foster for everything he does. He

0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:03.360
<v Speaker 2>takes very great pain to not shout out himself and

0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:06.279
<v Speaker 2>to not overshadow the work of the original architect of

0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:08.200
<v Speaker 2>the course that he's working on. So I'm just a

0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:09.319
<v Speaker 2>huge fan of what he does.

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:13.600
<v Speaker 4>I really love his business model, which is like he

0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:17.880
<v Speaker 4>only takes three jobs a year. The club has to

0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:21.200
<v Speaker 4>go all in or he doesn't take the job. And

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:24.319
<v Speaker 4>he has like a three year waiting list, you know,

0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:26.600
<v Speaker 4>he has he's booked for three years, which is it's

0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:28.839
<v Speaker 4>just crazy, you know, doesn't.

0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:29.399
<v Speaker 5>Surprise me at all.

0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 2>The guy is just incredible with what he does. He

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:36.960
<v Speaker 2>does absolutely fantastic stuff with zero ego by the way.

0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:41.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he is insistent upon the fact that after

0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:44.880
<v Speaker 2>he has done, his name not appear as an architect

0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:48.120
<v Speaker 2>on the Philly Country Club wanted to list him as

0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:51.920
<v Speaker 2>an architect alongside A. W. Tilling Hass. They wanted to

0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:54.640
<v Speaker 2>have a Keith Foster event for him in his honor

0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:56.080
<v Speaker 2>for the great work he did there. He turns it

0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:56.560
<v Speaker 2>all down.

0:52:57.200 --> 0:53:01.160
<v Speaker 3>Hey, Keith, did he did TBC Old Wife the latest

0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:01.960
<v Speaker 3>restoration too?

0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>He killed it there too.

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's everywhere really good. It was always cool, but

0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:16.319
<v Speaker 3>it's it's really really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great.

0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:18.799
<v Speaker 3>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to get back there.

0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:21.360
<v Speaker 5>I haven't played a secc old.

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:21.839
<v Speaker 2>Boy in a while.

0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:27.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I need to get there. I mean, that's where.

0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:32.360
<v Speaker 4>Where don't I need to go? That's the better question. So, uh,

0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:36.520
<v Speaker 4>we'll get to some Twitter questions here. You know, first

0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:42.000
<v Speaker 4>and foremost, Sam Sam Schumer ask John why why don't

0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:43.879
<v Speaker 4>you sell a calendar? But you do?

0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I do, and and or I did this year.

0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for asking about that. I had a couple

0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:54.840
<v Speaker 2>of people make this request in the fall, and so

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I decided to to go ahead and try to put

0:53:57.480 --> 0:54:00.640
<v Speaker 2>one together. So I enlisted the help of my sister,

0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 2>who is a graphic designer and who did a wonderful

0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:07.319
<v Speaker 2>job putting together a little calendar for me, and I

0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:09.920
<v Speaker 2>put it out on Twitter that people wanted to buy it,

0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:14.680
<v Speaker 2>they could, and the idea was to raise a little

0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:15.520
<v Speaker 2>bit of money.

0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:16.440
<v Speaker 5>For a charity.

0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:20.480
<v Speaker 2>And I thought that I would sell a couple of them,

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 2>but to be perfectly honest with you, the response was

0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:28.880
<v Speaker 2>amazing and I sold more than I ever thought I would,

0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:32.680
<v Speaker 2>and as a result, we were able to recently make

0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:36.239
<v Speaker 2>a nice donation of twenty five hundred dollars to the

0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Woodstock Sanctuary, which is an animal rescue up in New

0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:43.400
<v Speaker 2>York that my wife is very involved in. And I

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:46.520
<v Speaker 2>should say that my wife is a very big supporter

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:51.640
<v Speaker 2>of animal rights charities. And she had the misfortune of

0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:56.760
<v Speaker 2>being diagnosed with breast cancer over the summer, and everything's

0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:59.440
<v Speaker 2>going well. She went through chemotherapy and just had her

0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:03.040
<v Speaker 2>surgery actually less than a week ago, and she's doing great.

0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:04.880
<v Speaker 5>But during the process, which.

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Can obviously be hard, on people. She would occasionally go

0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 2>up to Woodstock to volunteer and do a little bit

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:12.560
<v Speaker 2>of work, and as she always says, as much as

0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:16.520
<v Speaker 2>it's an animal sanctuary, it's really a human sanctuary as well,

0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:19.560
<v Speaker 2>and she would always feel really good and refreshed when

0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:21.920
<v Speaker 2>she would leave. And so it's been a charity that

0:55:21.920 --> 0:55:24.040
<v Speaker 2>we've supported for a while and be able to donate

0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:28.080
<v Speaker 2>some money to them. It was really the best thing

0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:31.960
<v Speaker 2>about twenty seventeen for me. It was honored to do that.

0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:34.759
<v Speaker 2>I can't thank the people who are kind enough to

0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:40.120
<v Speaker 2>provide these calendars through Twitter for me and for the charity.

0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 2>The charity is obviously filled with matching funds right now.

0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:49.800
<v Speaker 2>The donation that we made was double to fifty one dollars,

0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:53.279
<v Speaker 2>and to the extent any more of these things sell

0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:57.480
<v Speaker 2>will applement that later on. But I just can't thank

0:55:57.520 --> 0:55:59.520
<v Speaker 2>the people who follow me on social media enough for that.

0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was very, very humbling and really an

0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:06.319
<v Speaker 2>amazing honor to have people reach out and buy these

0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:10.880
<v Speaker 2>calendars from me and for such a good cause, and

0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:14.040
<v Speaker 2>given what my wife has been going through and her involvement,

0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:17.319
<v Speaker 2>it was really just so nice for us and so

0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:20.520
<v Speaker 2>nice for our spirits and for my wife's state of mind.

0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:23.480
<v Speaker 2>So to all of my followers in general, and certainly

0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:26.920
<v Speaker 2>to my followers on social media to purchase these calendars.

0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:29.520
<v Speaker 2>And I know we have a lot of cross followers Andy,

0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:31.959
<v Speaker 2>so I'm sure a lot of them are listening right now.

0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:34.879
<v Speaker 2>I hope that they all know how much it meant

0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:38.200
<v Speaker 2>to me and to my wife and to this charity

0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:41.480
<v Speaker 2>that we support the way they would do that. So

0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:44.640
<v Speaker 2>thank you to all of you who who bought one

0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:48.799
<v Speaker 2>of my little calendars, and you have my undying appreciation

0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:49.120
<v Speaker 2>for that.

0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:52.680
<v Speaker 4>And good news is is still not twenty seventeen, so

0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:56.040
<v Speaker 4>there's still time. So we'll put a link in the

0:56:56.719 --> 0:57:01.439
<v Speaker 4>in the podcast and on social media so people can

0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:02.759
<v Speaker 4>know where to get them.

0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:05.880
<v Speaker 2>That's nice of you. Orders are still trickling in and

0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:09.040
<v Speaker 2>I still do have plenty of calendars sitting around my

0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:12.600
<v Speaker 2>apartment waiting to go out. So thank you for that. Man.

0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:18.240
<v Speaker 4>All right, so Carvon for the course, wants to know

0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:22.520
<v Speaker 4>what courses you've played that were not very photogenic but

0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:29.160
<v Speaker 4>that we're very photogenic actually, that were photogenic but not

0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:30.560
<v Speaker 4>architecturally sound.

0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, as I said on Twitter, I think the big

0:57:34.280 --> 0:57:36.760
<v Speaker 2>one for this is is Trum National La. It's a

0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:40.440
<v Speaker 2>golf course that I it really sticks out in my

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:43.280
<v Speaker 2>mind for several reasons, some good, some not so good.

0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:48.640
<v Speaker 2>It is on an unbelievably beautiful piece of property. It's

0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:51.400
<v Speaker 2>just south of La It's on a little finger of

0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:54.160
<v Speaker 2>land that sticks out on the other side of the

0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:57.720
<v Speaker 2>road into the ocean. You have beautiful views of I

0:57:57.760 --> 0:58:01.280
<v Speaker 2>guess it's I guess Catalina Island out there in the

0:58:01.280 --> 0:58:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Pacific Ocean. It's it's hanging right off a cliff on

0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:09.320
<v Speaker 2>the edge of the Pacific. It is an absolutely all

0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:13.000
<v Speaker 2>world beautiful site for a golf course, and so it's

0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:15.280
<v Speaker 2>photogenic as all get out. I mean, you can't take

0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:18.080
<v Speaker 2>a bad picture there. But the golf holes are just

0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:22.160
<v Speaker 2>bizarre to me. My understanding is that Pete Die built

0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:24.600
<v Speaker 2>the golf course and then Trump himself came in and

0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:28.440
<v Speaker 2>tinkered with a fit and changed things, and the result

0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:31.640
<v Speaker 2>is just a golf course that has disjointed. It doesn't

0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:34.600
<v Speaker 2>make a lot of sense. It doesn't It doesn't capture

0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:37.760
<v Speaker 2>the best attributes to the land and incorporate them into

0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:41.160
<v Speaker 2>the design. The design of the golf holes itself are

0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:45.920
<v Speaker 2>very artificial. It's just it's a real head scratcher. A

0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:49.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of the holes play back and forth horizontally along

0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:51.440
<v Speaker 2>the slope of the land, so there is a.

0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:53.280
<v Speaker 5>Lot of goofy tilt to the course.

0:58:53.680 --> 0:58:56.560
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like playing golf on like a rice farming terrace,

0:58:56.720 --> 0:59:00.200
<v Speaker 2>where you know, you go across the property one way,

0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:02.720
<v Speaker 2>then you step down twenty feet, come back across the

0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:05.640
<v Speaker 2>property the other way, and then down another twenty feet.

0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:09.320
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's a very strange design and given the

0:59:09.800 --> 0:59:13.000
<v Speaker 2>location and the land, I mean, look, it's probably gonna

0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:15.280
<v Speaker 2>fall off into the sea one day anyway, because it

0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:19.320
<v Speaker 2>is awfully precarious looking. But the fact that a golf

0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 2>course that is of what we'll call it less than

0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:27.000
<v Speaker 2>less than ideal architectural merit occupies the space of land

0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:30.000
<v Speaker 2>like that, in my view, is just sort of a tragedy.

0:59:31.000 --> 0:59:35.280
<v Speaker 2>And I hope that one day it gets the designer

0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:38.160
<v Speaker 2>and the architectural work that a piece of property like

0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:42.600
<v Speaker 2>that deserves. But it is beautiful, there's no denying that.

0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it is a gorgeous piece of property.

0:59:45.160 --> 0:59:49.200
<v Speaker 4>Zb you got any courses that you've been just disappointed with,

0:59:49.400 --> 0:59:56.640
<v Speaker 4>you had high hopes man that occurrence on the PGA Tour.

0:59:57.320 --> 0:59:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Zach plays on tour, so he probably has a

0:59:59.880 --> 1:00:01.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of them, but he's probably got to be a

1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:02.400
<v Speaker 2>little careful.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>We we Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>The good thing is the courses are in really really

1:00:09.200 --> 1:00:12.520
<v Speaker 3>good shape every single week out on tour, so that

1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:17.640
<v Speaker 3>that helps for sure. But yeah, we just we don't

1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:22.000
<v Speaker 3>play a lot of amazing golf courses week in and

1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:22.520
<v Speaker 3>week out.

1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:24.360
<v Speaker 1>They're they're pretty good for tournaments.

1:00:26.920 --> 1:00:29.800
<v Speaker 3>But you know, just as a as a big like

1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:34.080
<v Speaker 3>architecture geek, there aren't too many awesome ones. Riviera is

1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:37.160
<v Speaker 3>one that kind of sticks out that that is really good.

1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:41.840
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know, man, there I can't.

1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:43.760
<v Speaker 3>I didn't get to play like a ton of places

1:00:43.760 --> 1:00:45.800
<v Speaker 3>this year that were that were new.

1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:47.919
<v Speaker 1>That were bad, you know what I mean.

1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:51.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I kind of try and do a little research

1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:53.880
<v Speaker 3>before I I'm a little bit of a you know,

1:00:54.080 --> 1:00:54.959
<v Speaker 3>snob that way.

1:00:55.360 --> 1:00:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I like to go play really good places.

1:00:57.040 --> 1:01:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I got a question for you in that regard when

1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:03.160
<v Speaker 2>you're out there playing in an event, because I know

1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:07.560
<v Speaker 2>that you're certainly more architecturally inclined than most tour players

1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:10.440
<v Speaker 2>and you're you know, on Thursday or Friday or Saturday

1:01:10.520 --> 1:01:12.320
<v Speaker 2>or Sunday of an event, You're sitting there at two

1:01:12.400 --> 1:01:15.520
<v Speaker 2>hunder par and you get to say the fifth hole, right,

1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:18.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously you're locked in. You're you're playing your game,

1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:20.480
<v Speaker 2>You're trying to score your best. Is there ever a

1:01:20.520 --> 1:01:23.040
<v Speaker 2>point in time where where you're in the middle of

1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:25.480
<v Speaker 2>a tournament you think, you know, Wow, this is a

1:01:25.520 --> 1:01:29.120
<v Speaker 2>really great whole architecturally, or wow, I wonder what the

1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:31.800
<v Speaker 2>architect was thinking here because this just doesn't make any sense.

1:01:31.960 --> 1:01:34.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, does your does your interest in the architecture

1:01:34.600 --> 1:01:37.800
<v Speaker 2>crossover into your mind when you're actually playing in a tournament.

1:01:39.640 --> 1:01:39.960
<v Speaker 2>You're not.

1:01:41.560 --> 1:01:45.200
<v Speaker 3>As much in like the actual like Thursday through Sunday stuff.

1:01:45.240 --> 1:01:47.960
<v Speaker 3>I kind of just tune it out a little bit.

1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:53.080
<v Speaker 3>But in practice rounds, Yeah, for sure, it's something that

1:01:53.240 --> 1:01:55.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, over the last couple of years, as I've

1:01:55.760 --> 1:01:59.280
<v Speaker 3>gotten more involved with it and kind of more into it,

1:02:00.120 --> 1:02:04.280
<v Speaker 3>it pops. But yeah, there are always times that I'm like,

1:02:05.000 --> 1:02:07.920
<v Speaker 3>I also notice a lot of things that I, you know,

1:02:08.080 --> 1:02:11.360
<v Speaker 3>tell to other people that they're just like, how would

1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:14.840
<v Speaker 3>you ever even like think of that? And it's just

1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:17.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of how how my brain works now a little bit.

1:02:18.000 --> 1:02:20.720
<v Speaker 3>So it's good though, you know, I see a lot

1:02:20.720 --> 1:02:23.680
<v Speaker 3>of things good and bad that I would like to

1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:27.840
<v Speaker 3>incorporate at my place, and a lot of bad things

1:02:27.840 --> 1:02:30.320
<v Speaker 3>that I'm like, you just have to stay away from

1:02:30.400 --> 1:02:30.800
<v Speaker 3>doing that.

1:02:31.560 --> 1:02:34.000
<v Speaker 1>So so you see a lot of things that help.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's uh. I get asked by a lot of

1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:40.680
<v Speaker 4>people like do you have fun playing golf anymore? And

1:02:40.720 --> 1:02:44.400
<v Speaker 4>it's like, you know, when when I play bad places,

1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:47.240
<v Speaker 4>I do get a little frustrated, but you know, it's

1:02:47.240 --> 1:02:50.360
<v Speaker 4>still golf. And then when I play the really great places,

1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:52.320
<v Speaker 4>it just makes you appreciate it more.

1:02:53.800 --> 1:02:54.000
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I one place I forgot to mention was the Sandbox.

1:02:57.600 --> 1:03:00.360
<v Speaker 4>This par three course up at sand Valley. It's super cool.

1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:03.240
<v Speaker 4>It's Zach, you love it. It's all like template holes.

1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:05.480
<v Speaker 4>Both of you guys would love it all, like pretty

1:03:05.520 --> 1:03:08.240
<v Speaker 4>much like you've got like a mini Radan, You've got

1:03:08.240 --> 1:03:14.160
<v Speaker 4>a mini Devil's asshole. You've got you know, many double plateaus.

1:03:14.240 --> 1:03:16.560
<v Speaker 4>But you know, what do you guys think it is about?

1:03:16.600 --> 1:03:19.760
<v Speaker 4>Like par three's and short courses. You guys both mentioned

1:03:20.000 --> 1:03:24.840
<v Speaker 4>a handful, including pine valleys that that make you know, like,

1:03:25.200 --> 1:03:27.640
<v Speaker 4>what's it's becoming so popular?

1:03:29.000 --> 1:03:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, from my perspective, it just makes perfect sense if

1:03:31.440 --> 1:03:34.480
<v Speaker 2>you're a destination, whether it's whether you're a destination club

1:03:34.560 --> 1:03:37.800
<v Speaker 2>or a destination public resort, to have a course that

1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:39.480
<v Speaker 2>people can go out on at the end of the

1:03:39.560 --> 1:03:42.440
<v Speaker 2>day and just tool around on and get a quick

1:03:42.880 --> 1:03:45.800
<v Speaker 2>nine or eighteen. And you know, I tell people who

1:03:45.880 --> 1:03:49.360
<v Speaker 2>go to Bandon all the time, and the preserve out

1:03:49.400 --> 1:03:53.080
<v Speaker 2>there has gotten more recognition and notoriety. But you know,

1:03:53.120 --> 1:03:55.640
<v Speaker 2>I'd talk to people who would go to band and

1:03:55.640 --> 1:03:57.640
<v Speaker 2>then they'd go for two days or four days or

1:03:57.640 --> 1:04:00.280
<v Speaker 2>whatever and then just stick to the main courses, And

1:04:00.320 --> 1:04:02.000
<v Speaker 2>it made no sense to me. I mean, here's this

1:04:02.120 --> 1:04:04.800
<v Speaker 2>beautiful part three course that you can play in an

1:04:04.840 --> 1:04:07.800
<v Speaker 2>hour at the end of the day and have a

1:04:07.800 --> 1:04:10.720
<v Speaker 2>great time with beautiful views. And to your point, the

1:04:11.480 --> 1:04:14.520
<v Speaker 2>sandbox at a sad valley. It wasn't open when I

1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:17.600
<v Speaker 2>was there, but I walked it and it just looks amazing.

1:04:17.640 --> 1:04:20.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you get to hit the most enjoyable shops

1:04:20.720 --> 1:04:22.520
<v Speaker 2>that you generally play on the golf course, of the

1:04:22.520 --> 1:04:25.000
<v Speaker 2>approaches into greens and the putts, and here's a way

1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:27.120
<v Speaker 2>to go out and in a relatively short amount of

1:04:27.160 --> 1:04:31.920
<v Speaker 2>time get that experience eighteen times over. It just it

1:04:32.000 --> 1:04:34.080
<v Speaker 2>makes perfect sense to me for these kinds of places

1:04:34.080 --> 1:04:36.200
<v Speaker 2>to have them. The short course of Pine Valley is

1:04:36.200 --> 1:04:39.320
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a different story in that, you know.

1:04:39.600 --> 1:04:40.960
<v Speaker 5>It's a private club.

1:04:41.000 --> 1:04:43.000
<v Speaker 2>It's you know, they do have members from all over

1:04:43.040 --> 1:04:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the country, so guys come in and stay there. But

1:04:46.600 --> 1:04:49.280
<v Speaker 2>the short course of Pine Valley is just I can't

1:04:49.520 --> 1:04:52.960
<v Speaker 2>imagine a better way to warm up for around the

1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:56.240
<v Speaker 2>golf and going out and playing these ten holes that

1:04:56.360 --> 1:04:59.640
<v Speaker 2>actually mimic the approaches into the hole on the main course.

1:05:00.280 --> 1:05:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who's thought it up. I know that

1:05:04.000 --> 1:05:09.640
<v Speaker 2>that Fasio and Ransome built the course, but it's just

1:05:09.760 --> 1:05:13.040
<v Speaker 2>incredible to go out there and see these shots into

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<v Speaker 2>these short holes that you then are literally faced with

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<v Speaker 2>an almost identical replica into the holes on the main course.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a fantastic way to vote, preview the course

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<v Speaker 2>and get warmed up for around. I just I was

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<v Speaker 2>astonished by it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I just think they're a lot of fun,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's kind of at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 3>what you you know, what you want out of a

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<v Speaker 3>golf course or a destination is something to go enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>and it's really easy to kind of take one or

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<v Speaker 3>two clubs out and just go whip around with your friends,

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<v Speaker 3>especially kind of as the day is ending and there's

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<v Speaker 3>not enough time to really go out. You know, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of times at a golf course you have to

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<v Speaker 3>go out four or five holes before you come back in,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's pointless to go try and play a few

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<v Speaker 3>extra holes unless there's a cool whiskey loop or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that. But some of these, you know, these par

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<v Speaker 3>three courses and short courses, are so compact and they're

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<v Speaker 3>right together that you can kind of just go out

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<v Speaker 3>and play as much as you want until it gets

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<v Speaker 3>dark and kind of just go have fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's the other thing too, Zach, is you can

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<v Speaker 2>build a par three course. I mean, when you take

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<v Speaker 2>away all of the land that's required for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred yard two hundred and fifty yard t shots,

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<v Speaker 2>you can build a really amazing set of greens and

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<v Speaker 2>peas in a very compact area. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these areas that are compact, they can squeeze them into

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<v Speaker 2>spots on the property that have some of the most

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<v Speaker 2>spectacular features like a vandam. So you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>no brainer from my perspective.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, another thing I think it does. And I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know how you feel about this, zb is. I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like it it lessens the skill gap when you

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<v Speaker 4>play a short course.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, I mean you there's just.

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<v Speaker 3>There's less shots that you have to hit, you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I mean. So it's exactly what you're saying. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>when you go out and play like a championship golf course,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to drive it long and straight, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to hit good, you know, long irons, and you have

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<v Speaker 3>to putt and hip well on most in most cases

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<v Speaker 3>short courses or part three courses, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 3>do that as much to you know, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. So everyone that you're.

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<v Speaker 1>With, if people aren't all the same handicaps and skill level,

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<v Speaker 1>you can all go out and have fun.

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<v Speaker 4>That It reminds me one of my favorite spots I

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<v Speaker 4>keep forgetting things that there's this. So I was in

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<v Speaker 4>Portland for my buddy's bachelor party college buddy and like

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<v Speaker 4>my group of college friends, like very few golf first,

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<v Speaker 4>Like you know, one of them had never played golf

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<v Speaker 4>in his life or actually had played at once and

1:08:05.200 --> 1:08:06.880
<v Speaker 4>he was like six or five. But we go and

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<v Speaker 4>play this place in downtown, like close to downtown Portland.

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<v Speaker 4>It was called mcmenmon's Pub course and the places. The

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<v Speaker 4>clubhouse is a bar and you go there and you pay.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's a dollar to rent a club and

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<v Speaker 4>a putter. You get like a wedge and a putter

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<v Speaker 4>and a ball. Every ball is a dollar that you want.

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<v Speaker 4>But all the holes were between like forty and seventy yards,

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<v Speaker 4>and like it was actually really hard for me, like

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<v Speaker 4>cause like these they'd be like straight downhill forty yard

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<v Speaker 4>shots like and you know, you're like, how do you

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<v Speaker 4>play this with a green that like runs away? And meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 4>like my buddy who's like a twenty handicap would hit

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<v Speaker 4>it to like five feet and I'd be over the green.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like I found that place to be so much fun,

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<v Speaker 4>and like all my buddies had a great time, even

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<v Speaker 4>the guy that had never played golf before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's that's where they're killing it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's exactly what you said.

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<v Speaker 3>The skill gap is brought in so much more and

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<v Speaker 3>you can just go have it's more about just having fun.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you're not necessarily going out to these courses

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<v Speaker 3>to go shoot under par or try and shoot a

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<v Speaker 3>low score. You're you're out there to have fun with

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<v Speaker 3>your friends, and uh, that's what's so good about them.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, all right, this is a really so we

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<v Speaker 4>we're running a low on time here, and I get it.

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<v Speaker 4>We got a ton of questions, so we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 4>to do some rapid fires. But this is a really

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<v Speaker 4>good one for all of us. I'm gonna take it.

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<v Speaker 4>Andrew Bailey wants template you know, I saw somebody getting

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<v Speaker 4>in your grill yesterday. Zach about template holes, will say

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<v Speaker 4>inspirra template slash inspiration hole power rankings, So give each

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<v Speaker 4>of you give me top three, you know. Limit The

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<v Speaker 4>reason why.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say the double Plateau is one that's really

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<v Speaker 3>cool because you can just change it up so much.

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<v Speaker 3>And along that same lines, the beer Itz Part three

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<v Speaker 3>it just has so much versatility.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the punch Bowl because of how fun it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Power rankings for template number one for Dan because the

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<v Speaker 2>best part three design, and golf number two the punch

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl because it's awesome, and number three is a tougher one.

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<v Speaker 1>For me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say the always underrated eleven concept because

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<v Speaker 2>it's really able to be duplicated in a variety of settings,

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<v Speaker 2>and I always enjoy playing and they're always amongst my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite hole on the course.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was gonna say, Levin, I'll change it now

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm a contrarian. I'll go double Plateau. I love.

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote an article for Golfers Journal, shout out Golfers

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<v Speaker 4>Journal about double Plateau and how awesome it is because

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<v Speaker 4>you can put it on dead flat land and it's

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<v Speaker 4>like an incredible hole. So I'd say double Plateau, I say,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll say the short hole. I love the short hole.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that if you don't hit like a perfect wedshot,

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<v Speaker 4>you have a very very good chance of making bogie,

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<v Speaker 4>even if you're fifteen feet away. And then I will

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<v Speaker 4>say the no hole. Oh, I like the Fisher. Fisher's

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<v Speaker 4>No Hole just had me at at when I was

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<v Speaker 4>searching for my ball because I had the driver hips.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think that that was one of two greens

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<v Speaker 4>that I played ping pong. I played ping pong on

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<v Speaker 4>on the Knowle Hole and the Eden Hole. I was

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<v Speaker 4>having a tough day that day.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Hey, how good? How good is that? Stretched though?

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<v Speaker 3>At Fisher's eleven nine ten eleven twelve? Yeah, John, even.

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<v Speaker 4>Here, ridiculous, what's your favorite three whole stretch of Fishers.

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<v Speaker 4>This is you know, we're going off the cuff. There's

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<v Speaker 4>too many good questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Three four five is out of control.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's got to be three four five.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to be three four five, dude. I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I did a cool Twitter like giveaway this year. It

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<v Speaker 3>was my friend's idea of putting a composite course together.

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<v Speaker 3>But you had to do like two to four whole

1:12:29.320 --> 1:12:33.560
<v Speaker 3>stretches at golf courses. I like that, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>we got a lot of really cool courses, but that

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<v Speaker 3>three to five at Fisher's Island is next level.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good as good as you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to give you some some crap because I

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<v Speaker 4>responded twice, but you deleted the tweets because you kept

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<v Speaker 4>changing the rules.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, that's not true.

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<v Speaker 4>So then I lost interest, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to.

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<v Speaker 3>I had The people were like they didn't understand it enough.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't blaming it good enough, I guess.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's my bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll send you.

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<v Speaker 5>That's that's a neat question.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, three four five fissures two three four

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<v Speaker 2>at National one.

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<v Speaker 1>Two three at Chicago Cyprus?

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<v Speaker 4>What about one two three at Chicago golf.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that works too. It certainly works too.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of good ones. Yeah, fourteen or fifteen, sixteen,

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<v Speaker 3>seventeen at Cyprus is one. Oh, this is the one

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<v Speaker 3>you have to do my overrated, underrated seventeen at Cypress.

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<v Speaker 1>That's you two underrated. You think it's underrated. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's overrated. I know, and I get.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that part of the reason that you think

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<v Speaker 2>it's overrated and I think it's underrated is because you're

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<v Speaker 2>a far better golfer than I am. This is why

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want the words in your mouth. But one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons I think you think it's overrated is

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<v Speaker 2>because you stand on that tea box and you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I know what I'm supposed to do here, and I

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<v Speaker 2>can't do it because there's a clump of trees growing

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the fairways. For somebody like me,

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<v Speaker 2>who is a poor golfer relatively speaking, I just aim

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<v Speaker 2>left and hope my ball ends up on solid grounds

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm happy. So I think that's the that's my

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<v Speaker 2>theory as to why we differ on this whole.

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<v Speaker 3>See, I think it's overrated because I don't think there

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<v Speaker 3>I think there was an actual intent to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to go right event you know, when when the hole

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<v Speaker 3>was planned out, so you could take an aggressive line

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<v Speaker 3>right down the down the water and have a nice

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<v Speaker 3>web shot in.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting because my one play of cypress, I'll have

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<v Speaker 2>you know that I went right unintentionally, but we'll put

1:14:43.760 --> 1:14:46.240
<v Speaker 2>that aside. I went right and hit that little two

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<v Speaker 2>yard strip of fairway and had a beautiful little wed shutter. Agree.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe maybe this talent Japp is not as big

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<v Speaker 2>as we Maybe maybe that's the issue.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you should have admitted that you were on intentionally,

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<v Speaker 4>like you know you are going for that. But do

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I do I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like if there was if there was like

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<v Speaker 3>a fifteen yard fairway, or you know, if there was

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<v Speaker 3>a fifteen or twenty yard fairway on the right, So

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<v Speaker 3>if the trees and the bunkers were just moved left,

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<v Speaker 3>like twenty yards or fifteen yards to where you could

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<v Speaker 3>play aggressive down the right, I think it would be

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<v Speaker 3>such a better hole.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that it's a terrible hole or anything, but.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's I think the bottle concept off the tee,

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<v Speaker 2>where if you take the aggressor the eleven concepts even

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<v Speaker 2>or if you take the aggressive line off the tea,

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<v Speaker 2>you have the perfect angle into the green. I do

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<v Speaker 2>think exactly. I'm assuming the reason why there's not it

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<v Speaker 2>is just because the Pacific Ocean had eaten a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of yards of that fairway as a cli. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you make a very good point here, Zack. I certainly

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<v Speaker 2>agree with that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, maybe you should write a letter to Bill Corr,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, tell me your thoughts. You seem to be

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<v Speaker 4>very passionate about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll uh, I'll just have you calling. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So, uh, let's see what's the what's the least photogenic

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<v Speaker 4>course to photograph that is the best court? Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that doesn't get us due from.

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<v Speaker 1>Photos garden City all day long.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's just tough to get an awesome golf.

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<v Speaker 2>Course that you just can't photograph because it's flat, it's

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<v Speaker 2>surrounded by trees. There's just there's just not enough there

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<v Speaker 2>to photograph. And you also missing photographs the depth and

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<v Speaker 2>the scale of some of the bunkering there, which is

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<v Speaker 2>just incredible. Oddly though, Chicago Golf Club, which is also

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<v Speaker 2>relatively flat, I think, photographs very well, but for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 2>I have just had a hell of a time photographing

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<v Speaker 2>Garden City in a way that does the course even

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<v Speaker 2>remote justice how good it is. That's my answer to

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<v Speaker 2>that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I know how good that first hall at at Garden City.

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<v Speaker 2>It's awesome. It's a great short par four with bunkers

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<v Speaker 2>where you can end up lost in forever. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole course is just incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>But it just doesn't photograph well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's very difficult to get photographs of it

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<v Speaker 2>that that actually give you a visual idea of what

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<v Speaker 2>the course is all about.

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<v Speaker 4>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>Which course from Philip Johnson has been the least willing

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<v Speaker 4>to let you have free reign with your camera. You

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<v Speaker 4>said you made a note that you wanted me to

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<v Speaker 4>ask you this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so, I mean, it depends on I think you

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<v Speaker 2>answer that question. Depends on what it is that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>there for. I mean a lot of my photographs are

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<v Speaker 2>taken while I'm playing the round of golf, and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>I always ask permission to shoot photos while I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>a golf course. Sometimes I'm out of course because they

1:17:44.600 --> 1:17:48.960
<v Speaker 2>wanted me to come and take photographs, and that's very easy. Obviously,

1:17:49.560 --> 1:17:53.720
<v Speaker 2>other places are more sensitive to photography. Some courses don't

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<v Speaker 2>mind photography, but they don't want photos of their course shares,

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<v Speaker 2>and then drone photography is all. So I won't get

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<v Speaker 2>into all of it given the time sensitivity here, but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the bottom line is this, I always make

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<v Speaker 2>sure to ask someone at the course, whether it is

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<v Speaker 2>my host member or whether it is the head professional

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<v Speaker 2>or someone in the shop, for permission. Where it gets

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<v Speaker 2>interesting is when the course or it's staff or the

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<v Speaker 2>member that's hosting me has a different view on photography

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<v Speaker 2>than say another member or another pro or the head

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<v Speaker 2>of the Greens committee. So in situations like that, there

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<v Speaker 2>can arise these issues where you get permission to photograph,

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<v Speaker 2>you get permission to share photos, and then somebody else

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<v Speaker 2>has a problem with it. So when those kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>situations occur, I'm always I always default to sensitivity for

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<v Speaker 2>the club. So if there's anybody involved at a club,

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<v Speaker 2>a member, a staff member, a pro, anybody at all

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<v Speaker 2>who has an issue with anything I'm doing, I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't post, or I take it down, or I remove

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<v Speaker 2>what what I've put up already.

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<v Speaker 5>And it does happen, it happens very rarely.

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<v Speaker 2>I think in all the photo the courses that I've shot,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've only ever bumped into that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>thing two or three times. Uh, And it's always a

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<v Speaker 2>very easy issue to resolve. But I guess my my

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<v Speaker 2>point in this is, if you're gonna do this, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're there as a guest and not specifically to photograph

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<v Speaker 2>the course of the invitation, just make sure you're asking

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<v Speaker 2>and your checking with people to make sure that what

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing is okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's good advice. I would uh, I would second that.

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<v Speaker 4>All Right, let's do some overrated underrateds in I'm sad

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<v Speaker 4>there's so many good questions overrated underrated taking iPhone Pano photos.

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<v Speaker 2>Photos. I think that's way underrated. I think all iPhone

1:19:51.800 --> 1:19:53.000
<v Speaker 2>photos are way underrated.

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<v Speaker 4>I love the Mini Pano. Shout out Peter Korbakas who

1:19:58.680 --> 1:20:03.240
<v Speaker 4>taught me ed but very nice. Yeah. What about uh

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<v Speaker 4>what about golf knickers? That's from Matt Weinmaker.

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<v Speaker 2>I go underrated, man, I show show your style man,

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<v Speaker 2>pump it out.

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<v Speaker 3>Z B.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go overrated on that one.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got a different throwback passion now, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm I'm deep in the hickory game.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to Matt Mollica down. That's it's so good,

1:20:35.479 --> 1:20:38.720
<v Speaker 3>it's out of control. I got some for Santa brought

1:20:38.760 --> 1:20:41.880
<v Speaker 3>me some for Christmas, So I'm excited to go hit

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<v Speaker 3>some shots.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. Uh, I think I know this guy that

1:20:45.160 --> 1:20:49.479
<v Speaker 4>I play amateur stuff with in in Chicago. He's like, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>he plays in like the US Hickory Open. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 4>get in that. I gotta I gotta get a set

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<v Speaker 4>of hickories.

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<v Speaker 1>Andy. I think you would love it. I think you Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Wonder if I could get crooked with a hickory manufacturer,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, get Louisville Hill, you know, do the the

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<v Speaker 4>golf blogger thing, get some handouts.

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<v Speaker 1>Crooked, crooked Andy.

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<v Speaker 2>It brings back all the wonderful architectural features.

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<v Speaker 3>That we love. Yeah, when when we played it at

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<v Speaker 3>Royal Melbourne, I couldn't believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Just how different par fives were.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you get these you get these cross bunkers

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<v Speaker 3>like forty yard short, fifty yards short of the green

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<v Speaker 3>that now you're kind of like, why did they even

1:21:38.320 --> 1:21:42.880
<v Speaker 3>put that there? And you quickly realize like, okay, that's

1:21:43.040 --> 1:21:45.439
<v Speaker 3>that's why those bunkers are there because if you mishitch

1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:48.360
<v Speaker 3>shots at all, like you're in these death bunkers that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, par fives are the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>A good score. Way underrated, Hickory, Yeah, underrated.

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<v Speaker 4>Those bunkers you were talking about. I always write, Mike, well,

1:22:03.240 --> 1:22:06.720
<v Speaker 4>they add a lot of interest to layup shots or

1:22:07.040 --> 1:22:14.680
<v Speaker 4>poor drives. So let's see we got another couple of

1:22:14.720 --> 1:22:22.080
<v Speaker 4>good ones in here. Oh, friend of the pod, Simon Haynes,

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<v Speaker 4>when are we going over across the pond?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, shouting out to Simon, who runs an

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely fascinating Twitter account of his own, I call it

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<v Speaker 2>to Haynes Collection, where he posts old school pictures of

1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:40.040
<v Speaker 2>golf courses. A lot of times he'll post a photo

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<v Speaker 2>after I post one that is the same golf course

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<v Speaker 2>from the same angle from about eighty to one hundred

1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:49.040
<v Speaker 2>years ago. I don't know where he gets his archive from,

1:22:49.200 --> 1:22:52.479
<v Speaker 2>but it's it knows no bounds. He's a great follow.

1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:55.960
<v Speaker 2>People should follow him on Twitter. The answer to his

1:22:56.080 --> 1:22:59.080
<v Speaker 2>question is, in twenty eighteen, I'm going over. I don't

1:22:59.120 --> 1:23:00.960
<v Speaker 2>care where I play, I don't care how long I'm

1:23:00.960 --> 1:23:03.160
<v Speaker 2>there for, but at a bare minimum, I'm going over

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<v Speaker 2>to the UK and I'm playing North Barracks and anywhere

1:23:06.880 --> 1:23:09.400
<v Speaker 2>else that I can squeeze into the trip. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>no way the twenty eighteen is passing without me. CNNB.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think I'm going to make a trip. I

1:23:19.960 --> 1:23:23.599
<v Speaker 4>ideal world. I'd love to just pick up and live

1:23:23.680 --> 1:23:26.000
<v Speaker 4>there for three months and spend a month in Ireland,

1:23:26.160 --> 1:23:29.280
<v Speaker 4>month in Scotland, and month in England. But we got

1:23:29.400 --> 1:23:31.559
<v Speaker 4>to see if the wife wife can get on board

1:23:31.600 --> 1:23:31.800
<v Speaker 4>with that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you need a yeah, if you need a roommate,

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<v Speaker 2>let me know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Well, we'll see if anybody you know needs a

1:23:40.400 --> 1:23:43.320
<v Speaker 4>freelance writer. My wife would be a great one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I could lawyer from the UK or

1:23:46.439 --> 1:23:48.120
<v Speaker 2>if my job would be cool with that, But there's

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<v Speaker 2>no harm in checking.

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<v Speaker 4>Your your law degree transfers if you're there for golf.

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<v Speaker 4>I heard.

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<v Speaker 2>This is if it's not If that's not a real rule,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like it should.

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<v Speaker 4>Zb you. You're going to go anywhere big this year.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like you need to go to mid Ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that'd be a good one, like a quick one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's easy for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to go spend some time in San Francisco,

1:24:19.680 --> 1:24:21.960
<v Speaker 3>but hoping to get back over for the Dunhill Links

1:24:22.160 --> 1:24:25.479
<v Speaker 3>over across the Pond because that's next level golf over

1:24:25.560 --> 1:24:26.320
<v Speaker 3>there is so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Take the Hickories too.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I really want to do the Uh. I think

1:24:30.680 --> 1:24:34.400
<v Speaker 4>the heath One courses interest me the most, which might

1:24:35.080 --> 1:24:37.559
<v Speaker 4>people might say is crazy, but I want to play

1:24:37.640 --> 1:24:42.679
<v Speaker 4>like walking, you know, woking, Woking. That's so not woke

1:24:42.880 --> 1:24:49.920
<v Speaker 4>that I mispronounced it. All right, guys, thanks for coming on.

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<v Speaker 4>Happy New Year. If anybody stayed with this to this long,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my apologies too. But you know how we like

1:25:00.040 --> 1:25:02.320
<v Speaker 2>off we get talking about golf. Andy, seriously, thanks for

1:25:02.439 --> 1:25:04.439
<v Speaker 2>having me. It's great to talk to you guys again.

1:25:04.760 --> 1:25:07.800
<v Speaker 2>It's great to see what you've done with this podcast, DV.

1:25:07.920 --> 1:25:10.559
<v Speaker 5>We got to see it up sometime soon. In the meantime,

1:25:10.760 --> 1:25:11.759
<v Speaker 5>I'll look.

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<v Speaker 2>Forward to catching you on TV here and there. But

1:25:14.120 --> 1:25:16.439
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate what you guys do, both of you, and UH,

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<v Speaker 2>it's always a pleasure talking golf.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to do the National, Yeah, we got to

1:25:20.600 --> 1:25:23.800
<v Speaker 1>do the National. Yeah, that's fine done.

1:25:26.960 --> 1:25:29.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm willing to do that and get my ass kicked

1:25:29.680 --> 1:25:30.639
<v Speaker 2>all over the golf course.

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<v Speaker 4>Just going to take a play with you guys there,

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<v Speaker 4>so maybe we'll do it the Monday after ZB wins

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<v Speaker 4>the US open next door.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh sick, I love it.

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<v Speaker 5>That works.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, See you guys, New Year.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care. Thanks guys, you've

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<v Speaker 4>Been listening to the podcast We do the digging for you.