WEBVTT - The MLB labor talks have begun

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, Welcome to the latest Birdland Territory with Steve

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<v Speaker 1>Brand and Tim It was an important week in Major

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<v Speaker 1>League Baseball because labor talks started headed towards getting a

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<v Speaker 1>new CBA Collective Bargaining agreement, the work rules and labor

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<v Speaker 1>rules that will govern the sport for the next few years.

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<v Speaker 1>And it seems like every time one comes up, it

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<v Speaker 1>gets contentious and all that, and so that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>where we're at, guys, get your take on it. The

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<v Speaker 1>MLBPA Major League Baseball Players Association, made an official proposal Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the counter proposal from MLB the League came

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<v Speaker 1>the following day. They're miles apart. People are still expecting

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<v Speaker 1>a potential lockout December one, when the CBA expires, and

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<v Speaker 1>so baseball has some things to resolve. But here's what

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<v Speaker 1>I think all the I don't speak for any fans,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think all of them would say the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever you do, don't cost me my sport. We need

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<v Speaker 1>the games to continue. That's a long way down the road, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>but right now maybe it's a good thing. I'm brad

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<v Speaker 1>that these opening stavos have come and gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it gives me a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>optimism compared to you know, talking to Buddies and other

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<v Speaker 2>fans here like in December January. I mean, it just

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<v Speaker 2>seems like it's heading for an impending lockout or with

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<v Speaker 2>a strike or whatever the case may be, whatever terminology

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<v Speaker 2>they use. But I think the fact that they've put

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<v Speaker 2>something out in May is encouraging for fans because at

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<v Speaker 2>least they're going to the table and giving concrete facts

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<v Speaker 2>and concrete things that they're looking for when they're doing

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<v Speaker 2>this negotiation. I think it's good that they got something

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<v Speaker 2>out now, as opposed to this dragging into say September

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<v Speaker 2>and October and nothing's been put out there and no

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<v Speaker 2>offers have been sent across the table to each other.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think for the sport it's encouraging. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Where it goes from, I don't really know because they

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<v Speaker 2>are so far apart, and I know, just being part

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<v Speaker 2>of the union before and in part of some of

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<v Speaker 2>these negotiations. When you start with when you start these

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<v Speaker 2>talks with salary cap, the union stops it right there.

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<v Speaker 2>They it's there one thing that they will hold on to,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the one aspect of these negotiations that is

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<v Speaker 2>just an impasse when it comes to the union's perspective

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<v Speaker 2>of it all.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Brad, that of course is the non starter.

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<v Speaker 5>And MLB they put the cap at two hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>forty five point three million starting in twenty twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 5>I will say it was a little surprised that the

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<v Speaker 5>floor was higher than I thought it would be. It

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<v Speaker 5>was higher than even the players put out, which was

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<v Speaker 5>surprising to me. The players put out a floor of

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<v Speaker 5>one hundred and fifty million, obviously no salary cap, and

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<v Speaker 5>the league put out a floor of one hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>seventy one point two million, so basically a difference of

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<v Speaker 5>seventy four million dollars between the floor and the salary cap.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is the first time that the league has proposed,

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<v Speaker 5>formally proposed a salary cap since nineteen ninety four, and

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<v Speaker 5>that was, of course when the strike happened and the

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<v Speaker 5>World Series ended up getting canceled. And I guess I

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<v Speaker 5>would just say this anyone that's super concerned at this point,

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<v Speaker 5>the league and the players are not going to give their.

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<v Speaker 4>Best offer in the first offer.

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<v Speaker 5>That's just not how any negotiation works, much less a CBA.

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<v Speaker 5>This is where the actual negotiation begins. You are negotiating

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<v Speaker 5>off A and the players are negotiating off B. How

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<v Speaker 5>can we make some compromises? How can we meet in

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<v Speaker 5>the middle. But Brad that the big sticking point obviously

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<v Speaker 5>is the salary cap. And we're a long ways away

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<v Speaker 5>until this CBA expires December first, and maybe it does

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<v Speaker 5>go into a lengthy lockout at that point. But do

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<v Speaker 5>you envision a salary cap being a possibility?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really know.

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<v Speaker 2>And at this point it's been the like ever since

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<v Speaker 2>I was in the league and hearing all the meetings

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<v Speaker 2>we had and everything, the salary cap was the one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that was like, you just were not ever going

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. But at the same time, when you

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<v Speaker 2>look at all the other leagues, and I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to compare, it's apples and oranges, but it's they're

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<v Speaker 2>the last league left in North American sports that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a cap and a floor. And I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where the sport can go from here if you

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<v Speaker 2>just allow it to continue. And this is me trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do the best of keeping the players, my former

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<v Speaker 2>players perspective in mind, and what the fans are looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't know where the sport can go from

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<v Speaker 2>here if you just continue to allow the gap to

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<v Speaker 2>get bigger and bigger and bigger. I know, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>different kind of sport, and I know teams can have

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<v Speaker 2>great stories where salaries don't matter in baseball because at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, it's the pitcher on the

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<v Speaker 2>mound always has a shot to go out there and give.

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<v Speaker 3>A team a chance to win.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you just start looking at the gap getting

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<v Speaker 2>so much bigger, and the Dodgers dominance here the last

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<v Speaker 2>few years, and they just continue to spend, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you have these other teams, I think they just get

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<v Speaker 2>to a point where they sit there and go, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the point of spending another twenty five million when

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<v Speaker 2>we can't compete with that. We're just gonna go with

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<v Speaker 2>what we got. We'll sign some you know, guys at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of our roster and go from there. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just I don't know where it goes from here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's gonna be an interesting negotiations to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>I just it annoys me as a former player and

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<v Speaker 2>everything that it's just it's every time it comes up,

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<v Speaker 2>every time there's talks that come up, it just kills

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<v Speaker 2>all the stories in the sport. It's the only thing

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<v Speaker 2>that comes across. It gets talked about multiple times all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and it just it takes away from how

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<v Speaker 2>much the sport is growing here. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they really need to both look at is because

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<v Speaker 2>of last year's World Series, viewership is up, Younger people

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<v Speaker 2>are watching the game. They cannot afford to have another

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<v Speaker 2>lockout like in ninety four, because I mean that devastated

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<v Speaker 2>the sport for years afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it certainly did. And of course we're a long

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<v Speaker 1>way from resolution, We're a long way from numerous negotiations,

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<v Speaker 1>long way from really everything at this point. But the

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<v Speaker 1>starting salvos came out this week in Major League Baseball,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll check in on some other topics coming up

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<v Speaker 1>here in a moment on Birdland Territory, and we'll continue

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<v Speaker 1>some CBA talk as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So even before June one, some labor talks have started,

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<v Speaker 1>at least the very initial Salvos, and you know the

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<v Speaker 1>the MLBPA came out with a proposal counterproposal from the league,

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<v Speaker 1>the Major League Baseball officials And feel free to pause

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<v Speaker 1>and read this lengthy quote and let the release from

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<v Speaker 1>the players Association side, they're not happy with what they

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<v Speaker 1>heard from the owners, and the owners are not happy

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<v Speaker 1>with what they heard from the players what it's shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tim, you mentioned that salary cap proposed two forty

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<v Speaker 1>five the floor one seventy one. Eight teams would need

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<v Speaker 1>to reduce their salaries to get there, and like ten

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<v Speaker 1>or twelve would need to increase to get there. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think in Baltimore that's what fans are thinking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do the Orioles always get outspent two to one

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<v Speaker 1>by the Yankees and Red Sox, and then you've got

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<v Speaker 1>another big market team there in Toronto. Three of the

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<v Speaker 1>four they compete with, So they just want to level

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<v Speaker 1>playing field. I'm not sure if they're ever going to

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<v Speaker 1>get it because of the way this industry works.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I just when it comes to the Orioles and

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<v Speaker 5>you can just let's just say since two thousand, for

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<v Speaker 5>the most part, they're around the middle of the pack,

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<v Speaker 5>and I don't think fans are upset at that. I

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<v Speaker 5>think for me, Steve, what upsets me more than the

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<v Speaker 5>Dodgers and the Yankees are the teams like the A's

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<v Speaker 5>and the Pirates and the teams that spend no money,

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<v Speaker 5>where I just I refuse to believe that the ownership

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<v Speaker 5>grew groups of the respective teams that are near the

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<v Speaker 5>bottom and spending that can't spend more. And look, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not a dummy in the fact that the revenue share

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<v Speaker 5>and all of that's going to change the TV revenue

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<v Speaker 5>with what the league proposed. But I do find it

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<v Speaker 5>very interesting where you know, you have several teams that

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<v Speaker 5>spend under one hundred million dollars and they're going to

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<v Speaker 5>have to raise their payroll to one hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 5>one point two million, And I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>people are asking.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, where is that money cout? Like is that all

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<v Speaker 4>coming from the rep share? Like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I've always been of the opinion that I don't think anyone.

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<v Speaker 4>No one's ever going to come out and say I

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<v Speaker 4>think the owners.

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<v Speaker 5>Want the Dodgers to threep because right now Rob Manfred

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<v Speaker 5>who he was on the Pat McAfee show the other day,

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<v Speaker 5>like they're using the spending gap as the boogeyman.

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<v Speaker 4>They're using that to gain fan.

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<v Speaker 5>Support for the league to vilify the PA where how

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<v Speaker 5>can we compete? Like they're the bulget they're gonna three

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<v Speaker 5>p wait, we have no chance, and the like, I

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<v Speaker 5>firmly believe the league is hoping the Dodgers win, because

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<v Speaker 5>that's like the checkmate, that's see, what do we do here, guys,

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<v Speaker 5>like we need a salary cap.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I almost get more upset at the teams that spend

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<v Speaker 5>no money.

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<v Speaker 2>And I kind of have two points along along that

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<v Speaker 2>what you're just talking about, Tim.

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<v Speaker 3>I think number one is.

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<v Speaker 2>That the players never know what team's actual revenue is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I that that's been a big sticking point, is

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't know exactly what numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>Are being shown, what numbers aren't being shown.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is like just something I'm sure fans can't

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<v Speaker 2>stand here and about because it's like, Okay, the rich

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<v Speaker 2>are getting richer and the rich are.

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<v Speaker 4>Still rich, so it's like, yeah, it's just it's just

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<v Speaker 4>weird that.

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<v Speaker 2>The constant topics are these things have like you're just

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<v Speaker 2>alienating almost every single fan out there that they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to hear about who's making more money, who's making

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<v Speaker 2>less money, all this kind of stuff. So me, that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of funny part of it all. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>think about the lower spending teams. When you look at this,

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at the tax threshold, when the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 2>go over it, half of that money that they have

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<v Speaker 2>to pay in taxes goes towards the pension fund. So

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<v Speaker 2>for these teams that aren't spending any money, they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, spend as much money as you want,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're paying for half of what we have to

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<v Speaker 2>pay former players in the pension. And that's where billions

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars are being saved. When it comes to not

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<v Speaker 2>giving salaries, when it comes to player service, time, manipulation,

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<v Speaker 2>those kinds of things, billions of dollars are being saved

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<v Speaker 2>on the back end. And I think that's to the

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<v Speaker 2>points where the Players Association really has problems with because

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<v Speaker 2>these lower teams are like, you know what, Dodgers spends

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred million dollars because you have to pay three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars million towards the pension fund. And that that's

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<v Speaker 2>even less money out of our pocket too, And like

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about before, then it's like, Okay, well I

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<v Speaker 2>spend this amount of money.

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<v Speaker 3>So they just but just nobody knows what the book's like.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's part of the point that really

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<v Speaker 2>just irks the players Association because if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>do a fair fair talks, just put it all on

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<v Speaker 2>the table, not in public, but at least give us

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers, as the association, so we can see what

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<v Speaker 2>you're actually revenue, what your real revenue is, and what

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<v Speaker 2>is just kind of being thrown out there in the media.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. So the players side would point out and has

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<v Speaker 1>they feel some of these lower revenue teams when they

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<v Speaker 1>get revenue sharing money, pocket it and don't spend it

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<v Speaker 1>on players, which is what they're supposed to be going for.

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<v Speaker 1>The owner side would say, big payroll clubs have won

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<v Speaker 1>the last ten World Series and if the NHL, NBA

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<v Speaker 1>and NFL can have a cap, why can't MLB. So

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<v Speaker 1>there are points on both sides being made here. Right

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<v Speaker 1>point about the big clubs winning the World Series is

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<v Speaker 1>it's a crapshoot in October just because the Rays didn't

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<v Speaker 1>win the World Series. Well, the Royals once did so

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<v Speaker 1>and they could again, the Orioles could again. But these

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<v Speaker 1>big clubs are winning it, they're playing better in October.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that because of money or other reasons? There's so

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<v Speaker 1>it's so complicated here. All these issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think the new playoff system makes it

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<v Speaker 2>even more complicated when it gets October.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's it really is a true crap shoot. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Before it was, you know, the top four teams get

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<v Speaker 2>in and you just kind of played it played out.

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<v Speaker 2>But now adding those two extra teams in, which gives

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<v Speaker 2>more money to both sides, which they both agreed on,

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<v Speaker 2>now turns it evento more of a crapshoot. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I guess you could say that the

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<v Speaker 2>higher revenue teams just have more depth. They have more

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<v Speaker 2>proven players most of the time because you can go

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<v Speaker 2>out and free agency and get these guys who've done

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<v Speaker 2>it in postseason. But I don't think it correlates to salary.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think, like you said, the bigger revenue teams

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<v Speaker 2>are just playing better at the biggest moments of the season.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think something that's indisputable. Steve kind of along

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<v Speaker 5>those ways, and we have this conversation a lot in

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<v Speaker 5>Baltimore where if you give out a big contract and

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<v Speaker 5>I hate to single out Chris Davis without aged, but

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<v Speaker 5>it's hard to bounce back from that where a Yankees,

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<v Speaker 5>the Dodgers, you know, teams that give out big contracts

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<v Speaker 5>and they've absolutely had deals that didn't pan out. They

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<v Speaker 5>can eat it. Where a team like the Orioles and

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<v Speaker 5>a team even lesser than the Orioles, that's hard to navigate.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that that is really the biggest difference there

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<v Speaker 5>where and that kind of goes to what you're saying, Brad,

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<v Speaker 5>where that's where it cripples your depth where and look,

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<v Speaker 5>we Pete's off to a great but you made the

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<v Speaker 5>move for Pete, and I think that that was a

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<v Speaker 5>very prudent move where that was the first big contract

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<v Speaker 5>that you gave out to someone since Chris Davis.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, it's also puts pressure on Pete.

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<v Speaker 5>You have to deliver because if not, it definitely alters

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<v Speaker 5>how Michael Aias operates in the offseason.

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<v Speaker 1>No doubt. I mean, we can even use the example

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<v Speaker 1>of Tyler O'Neill. If the Oriels cut ties with him

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<v Speaker 1>right now, they'd have to eat twenty five million maybe more.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh And that's a lot of money for the Orioles

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<v Speaker 1>or the Rays or the Tigers to eat. Where the

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<v Speaker 1>Yankees that's lunch money. They don't blake twice cutting the

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<v Speaker 1>player who's hurting the team, it's twenty five million, so

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<v Speaker 1>there's another disparity there. And so I guess where do

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<v Speaker 1>you guys think the next month or two will go

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<v Speaker 1>with this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's just gonna I just after seeing

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple play out like directly in front of

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<v Speaker 2>my eyes. There's gonna be a lot of talks in

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<v Speaker 2>the media. They're gonna both sides are going to try

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<v Speaker 2>to use whatever platform they can to try to just

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<v Speaker 2>say how the other side isn't playing fair. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of think I think it's going to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of go in neutral.

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<v Speaker 3>Mode from here. I hope not for the sports sake.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope it doesn't go in neutral mode.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope they actually do meet with each other face

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<v Speaker 2>to face and get some at least get a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of the topics figured out, and then you can work

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<v Speaker 2>on the bigger ones after that. But just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>what I've seen the last few times, I think they

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<v Speaker 2>both put the statement out, they both said both sides

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<v Speaker 2>aren't even close, and then I feel like it goes

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<v Speaker 2>into neutra mode. You won't hear anything until my guess

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<v Speaker 2>is until after the All Star break, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>they want to have the All Star game have its platform,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe you hear a little something right before just

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<v Speaker 2>if anything has progressed. But I just I don't imagine

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<v Speaker 2>it going very far from here, just because, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the biggest topic is such a butting head

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<v Speaker 2>topic for these sides that they just staying right there

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<v Speaker 2>and nobody moves either way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, guys, I just.

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<v Speaker 5>Would be surprised if something was agreed upon until it

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<v Speaker 5>was closer to December, like until around the World series.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I'm a firm believer in any like deadline spur action,

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<v Speaker 5>and when the possibility of a lockout is there, you're

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<v Speaker 5>going to be talking a lot more frequently. You are

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<v Speaker 5>going to be negotiated a lot more frequently. What I

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<v Speaker 5>hope doesn't happen, which unfortunately, with how these things go,

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<v Speaker 5>it probably will. It got so ugly that last CBA

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<v Speaker 5>where and Brad you kind of alluded to it, just

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<v Speaker 5>the leaks to the media both sides, and it just

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<v Speaker 5>got so contentious there. And I think and you brought

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<v Speaker 5>it up earlier, Brad, like I think that's what turns

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<v Speaker 5>fans off, and it would just be so unfortunate for

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<v Speaker 5>the sport. Like you were saying, there's so much momentum

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<v Speaker 5>that has been built over these past couple of years

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of ratings, in terms of eyeballs and social media,

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<v Speaker 5>that a prolonged lockout would would be a punch to

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<v Speaker 5>the gut of MLB.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think just one other thing too, when you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the age of the guys in MLB, there's

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a handful of guys who were actually alive when

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<v Speaker 2>the last strike happened, Like I was, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>was six years old when it happened, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember full details of it, but I remember people that

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<v Speaker 2>were huge fans of the game, and some of them

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<v Speaker 2>walked away forever, some of them walked away for a decade.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just don't know if they A lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the current players understand the reprecation.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever I'm trying to say, Yeah, reprecussion, so something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think it's kind of like a it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>like a folklore thing of like, yeah, well there was

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<v Speaker 2>a strike. And I mean you talk to former coaches

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<v Speaker 2>that I had at times, and they're talking about they

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the scabs, the guys who went over the

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<v Speaker 2>picking line and played. They talk about what it was

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<v Speaker 2>like during that time, and it's like, man, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>never want to do that again. But I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it's get It's gotten so far away at this point

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<v Speaker 2>that it's almost like, you know, if we do it,

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<v Speaker 2>it will come back. I mean, look at the NHL,

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<v Speaker 2>they had one and they came back. Look the NBA,

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<v Speaker 2>they had one, they came back. But it's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't know if baseball players nowadays, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>a that's a broad stroke to say not all of them,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's just when something hasn't happened in your lifetime,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to really understand what has happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Historically with it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just don't know if the players have the

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<v Speaker 2>true perspective of what it was like to not have

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<v Speaker 2>a sport, have the World Series canceled, have an almost

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<v Speaker 2>an entire season gone, Like it's just such a big

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<v Speaker 2>black eye on the sport that I just don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that full perspective, in the historical sense of it all,

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<v Speaker 2>is still there with the players.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing we all have in common, players, owners, fans, media,

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the first We got a long, long

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<v Speaker 1>The last time it happened in baseball was twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Two catchers from one team made the All Star Game

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<v Speaker 1>same year, William Contreras Travis Darnaul of Atlanta in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two. Before that, as best I can tell, it

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't happened since the early sixties, Jogi Bearra and Elston

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<v Speaker 1>Howard of the Yankees. The Orioles had two catchers playing

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<v Speaker 1>at an All Star level Withsio and a Ritchman. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be incredible to see that happen in Baltimore. She

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<v Speaker 1>Langeleiers and others. We'll have a lot to say about this.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's what Pisio said when I asked him this

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<v Speaker 1>week about being considered for the All Star Game. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be a dream come true. To be on that

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<v Speaker 1>stage would be truly special. His face was lit up

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<v Speaker 1>when he said that. To me, he's thinking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>which isn't to me is not a bad thing because

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<v Speaker 1>he's playing at an All Star level and this is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that is driving him.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he looks great right now, and it's I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's I think seeing the excitement on his face

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<v Speaker 2>when you ask that question was probably probably you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it probably made you happy.

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<v Speaker 3>It gives you chills. It's just it is a dream

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<v Speaker 3>come true.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I remember being with Zach and Darren fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>watching Zach and Darren both make it, and it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like clicked in my head that like why can't

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<v Speaker 2>two guys go?

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<v Speaker 3>Why can't I be a guy this year?

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was just it kind of like made the possibility,

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<v Speaker 2>like the possibility an actual reality type thing like in

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<v Speaker 2>my head that I could make it if even if

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<v Speaker 2>one of our other guys make it. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>with ADLEI I think both these guys are just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of pushing each other right now to be their best player,

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't want to let the team down. You

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<v Speaker 2>want to be your best self when you're out on

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<v Speaker 2>the field. But I think both of them together right

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<v Speaker 2>now are just kind of pushing each other when they're

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<v Speaker 2>out there, and when one's dhing or one's not playing,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes you want to build your or put your

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<v Speaker 2>level of play up a level and just go out

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<v Speaker 2>there and perform at the best of your ability.

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<v Speaker 5>Guys, it's the best catching tandem in baseball, and they're

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<v Speaker 5>kind of in their own.

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<v Speaker 4>Little tier right now.

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<v Speaker 5>When you look at the stats, they're first in OPS

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<v Speaker 5>catchers by team by sixty one points, first and slugging

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<v Speaker 5>by fifty points, first in RBIs by three and they're

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<v Speaker 5>tied for the lead in home runs. Both of them

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<v Speaker 5>have an OPS of over eight hundred and Adley Rutchman Man,

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<v Speaker 5>I know we talk a lot about him on this show,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's rightfully so. He's on his way to having

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<v Speaker 5>his best season of his career and he's got a

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<v Speaker 5>career high ops. Be guys, I keep harping on the

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<v Speaker 5>defense man. He threw out another runner yesterday. Him controlling

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<v Speaker 5>the run game of base runners has been awesome. The

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<v Speaker 5>framing's been spectacular, the blocking, like Adley is just such

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<v Speaker 5>a complete ballplayer right now.

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<v Speaker 4>And Sam, Man, what more king you say?

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<v Speaker 5>I keep going back to that game in Kansas City

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<v Speaker 5>where he came through in that ninth inning spot, then

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<v Speaker 5>came through again in extra innings and was spectacular defen

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<v Speaker 5>defensively in that game.

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<v Speaker 4>Ever since that moment, I feel like that game.

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<v Speaker 5>Was when things started to slow down for Sam and

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<v Speaker 5>he's really taken off.

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<v Speaker 1>He has. Man got to get me a Sam Besio bobblehead.

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<v Speaker 1>I want that bobblehead in this house. I've been covering

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<v Speaker 1>that kid since today. They signed him out of the dominic,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is just so cool to see how he's

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<v Speaker 1>blossomed into He was always a great kid. He's always

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<v Speaker 1>like his smile has always lit up the room. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw that in Aberdeen and so to see that happen

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<v Speaker 1>in Baltimore is really really cool. And we should not

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<v Speaker 1>lose sight of those fans what you're saying here with

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<v Speaker 1>these two catchers, because every team is jealous of the

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Orioles right now with what they have at the catching position.

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<v Speaker 1>The Oriel right hander Brandon Young just made a change

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<v Speaker 1>on his splitter grip. I'm going to tell you how

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<v Speaker 1>remarkably fast that change occurred when we continue on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>So, when the Oils were getting swept at the trap

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<v Speaker 1>about a week ago, that was not good. But behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes, Brandon Young was changing the grip on his

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<v Speaker 1>splitter because he was giving up a batting average of

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<v Speaker 1>over four hundred off that pitch, which he thought was

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 1>a great pitch for him last year, not so great

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<v Speaker 1>this year. So Drew French and Mitch Plaismyer went to

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:40.160
<v Speaker 1>him and used the example of pitchers in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>We have great splits like Kevin Gosman and Nativaldi, and

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<v Speaker 1>what about you making a tweak or two that could

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<v Speaker 1>help you. He did. He made played catch that day

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<v Speaker 1>on flat ground with the grip, loved it through a

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<v Speaker 1>bullpen a day or two later, and a couple days

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<v Speaker 1>later through it in the game. It happened that fast.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me, I'm pickup pitches pretty quick. I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like you do so twenty four percent. He

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<v Speaker 1>used it Sunday against the Tigers, when he, by the way,

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:14.200
<v Speaker 1>allowed two runs unearned in six and two thirds. Brad,

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 1>is it lightning fast to go from the drawing board

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<v Speaker 1>to the game.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that's pretty quick.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that's one of the advantages of all

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<v Speaker 2>the technology that they have now is it's one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things to feel it and kind of see it,

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<v Speaker 2>but then you have instant feedback. And I think when

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<v Speaker 2>you go throw off a mount and you throw aside,

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 2>it's instant data. So it's I mean, pitching coaches can

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<v Speaker 2>go It's one thing to bring up a grip, but

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>it's another thing to see it actually work. And I

0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 2>think for him, since he does pick up stuff easy,

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<v Speaker 2>I bet he's messed with five other grips. He's probably

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<v Speaker 2>tried other breaking balls. You go to the track man

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<v Speaker 2>and you instantly know, Okay, is this going to be effective?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this not?

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<v Speaker 2>Is my previous grip better than what I'm throwing right now?

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<v Speaker 2>And if it felt good for him, and especially with

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<v Speaker 2>him throwing a splitter already, he probably are.

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<v Speaker 3>He had the feel for throwing that pitch.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was just more so making sure that

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<v Speaker 2>the movement was what he was seeing. And then from

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:08.399
<v Speaker 2>there you can take it to the mound. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's like what I'm pretty jealous of with the

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<v Speaker 2>technology today that they have, is that you can throw

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<v Speaker 2>it in aside, throw it in flat ground, go throw

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 2>five pitches off the mound.

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<v Speaker 3>If it feels comfortable, let it rip in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the data shows and the analytics stuff that they

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.239
<v Speaker 2>show on track Man, we'll tell you whether or not

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:26.800
<v Speaker 2>it's going to work in a big league game. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's one of the cool things with the

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<v Speaker 2>pitching stuff today.

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<v Speaker 5>What was really cool in that start Steve Sunday is

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:38.200
<v Speaker 5>he gained more confident in the splitter as the game

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<v Speaker 5>went on. The first time through the lineup, he threw

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<v Speaker 5>it just sixteen percent of the time. The third time

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 5>through the lineup he threw it thirty eight percent of

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.640
<v Speaker 5>the time, so close to double than what he started.

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 5>And we've been giving Brandon Young his flowers throughout the

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 5>season because we know that it's been up and down

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:00.280
<v Speaker 5>for the starting rotation even though they're in it. Cool, great,

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 5>great groove right now over the past seven to ten days.

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<v Speaker 5>But Brandon Young all season long, outside of one start,

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<v Speaker 5>that start against the Astros in that double header, he's

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<v Speaker 5>been their most consistent pitcher and it's just another one

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<v Speaker 5>of those cases where, gosh, where would they be without

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<v Speaker 5>Brandon Young.

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<v Speaker 1>He used the phrase to me, I had the courage

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<v Speaker 1>to use it in the game, And I believe that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good word, courage, because guys, if one or two

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work like he hopes and costs him five runs

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<v Speaker 1>as a very different box score for this kid. So

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 1>it does take some courage to throw that pitch because

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:38.600
<v Speaker 1>when it's new, things can go wrong, and so they

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 1>probably are going to go wrong at some point. Right,

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 1>you cannot get be perfect with it. But so man,

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 1>he was on board and that I think was big

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<v Speaker 1>for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it will be interesting to see moving

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<v Speaker 2>to this next star. Last time it's kind of get

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<v Speaker 2>the grip and let it rip, and now it's you've

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<v Speaker 2>had time to tweak with it, You've had time to.

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<v Speaker 3>Mess with it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm curious if he just sticks with it or

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<v Speaker 2>if he starts trying to manipul. Sometimes you can do

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<v Speaker 2>with some pitches that you're kind of new with you.

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<v Speaker 2>You think you can throw it better, you think you

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 2>can do like, just stick with what you did the

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 2>other day, let it rip, stick with the grip. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he needs to do much else because

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<v Speaker 2>he was The swings he was getting on it tells

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 2>you everything you need, and I think that's what gave

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 2>him the confidence to use it more the next time

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 2>through the lineup. And I guarantee if he keeps getting

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 2>the swings he got and the way the hitters are

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 2>looking at it, he's gonna just start throwing it even

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<v Speaker 2>more if it's that much. And I think it just

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 2>plays off his fastball that much better, and I think

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 2>it makes it that much better. So if you can

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 2>get those two pitches, look at Kevin Gosman. He went

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>them trying to mess around throwing briging balls all of

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 2>his career. He got to the Giants and told me,

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 2>they said, just throw your fastball and splitter.

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 3>That's all we need you to do.

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>He's obviously done stuff since that point, but you could

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 2>do it. You can be a two pitch pitcher if

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 2>they are true too good pitches. And I think that's

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 2>what Brandon Young could do. Something like that.

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>The other thing Tim that this is in the last

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 1>week we have seen two homegrown Orial pitchers, Brandon Young

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>and Trey Gibson, pitch and baseball for the Orioles. And

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 1>I heard for years they can't develop pitching. My take was,

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>in the last year or two the pitching development, there's

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.720
<v Speaker 1>a wave coming here. I saw those guys at Bowie

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Hermann and Wells and Trey, and I said, these guys

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 1>now are going to be at Norfolk. They're a step away.

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not over I don't want to oversell it or

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 1>overstated or over hype it here, but I think some

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 1>good things have happened with pitch development, and I think

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 1>it is meaningful for the fans to see homegrown Orioles

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<v Speaker 1>start games and pitch well.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely.

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 5>And we were texting about Trey Gibson and unfortunately he's

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 5>just caught in a numbers game and got sent down

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 5>after that start. But now two starts in guys, and look,

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 5>the defense was spectacular behind him that they turned two

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 5>double plays for him. Gunnar Henderson made that insane throw

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 5>where he's fading right jump throw to get the runner

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 5>at first base. But something that's so noticeable with Trey

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 5>Gibson in those two stones and then he made one

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 5>outing in relief is it does not look too big

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 5>for him, man like. He is calm, cool and collected

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 5>on the mound. And remember he was the first Orioles

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 5>starting pitcher to make his debut at Yankee Stadium and

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 5>franchise history, so that in and of itself is pretty unbelievable.

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just fun. It's fun and brad pitching development

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>has changed so much in recent years. But I think

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 1>seeing them do it in Baltimore, that's when the fans

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 1>finally really believe. They see double A stats, they see

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 1>triple A stats. Those are nice, but we've seen so

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>many guys over the years get some hype, get some rankings,

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>get some prospect love, and not do it in the

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 1>big league. So that's the final step. And again these

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 1>guys are just starting out, but early returns look good.

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's all you can ask for, you know, is

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:54.240
<v Speaker 2>you don't know what's gonna happen to your downline, You

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>don't know what's gonna happen two years online. But right now,

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 2>having these guys come up give it the innings that

0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 2>they need and looking good doing it is huge, right, now,

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 2>so you just you love to see if Trade Gibson

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 2>look super confident. I always think back to him when

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 2>he was walking off the mount the Yankee Stadium giving

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 2>words to Albernaz as he's leaving the mound.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, this kid has confidence. You can't buy that,

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 3>you can't teach that.

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 2>He's got confidence walking off the Yankee stadium talking to

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 2>his manager basically just saying that was awesome type of thing.

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's all I needed to see. And I

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 2>thought he should have had all these opportunities in between

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 2>these two starts, and hopefully he gets more moving forward,

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 2>because that's what you need.

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 3>You need young starting pitching.

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 2>You need to have more than five starters, and you

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:34.920
<v Speaker 2>need to have guys do it at the big league level.

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 3>And it's fun to see.

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 2>It's fun to see him using the defense, having good

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 2>defense behind him, which obviously means he's around the zone.

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 2>They're having balls put in play. He's not getting swing

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 2>and missing balls all the time. So it's fun to see.

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<v Speaker 2>And last night was the other night. Was really cool

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>to watch him go out there and do his thing

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<v Speaker 2>in Baltimore for the fans to see at home.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the next year, could bring Herman, could

0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 1>bring Lee by Welch to Baltimore, could bring Luis Dely

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 1>home to Baltimore. There's more coming behind his Birdland, which

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 1>if you want to be good for many years, you

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 1>got to have it all right, guys. We cover a

0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of ground on this show. Man good one. Enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>it today with Brad and Tim, and we'll have another

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot to watch and see here on Birdland

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<v Speaker 1>Territory and we'll catch you next time.