1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: All right, news, round up, information overload hour toll free 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: on number. We'll get to your calls at the bottom 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: of a half hour eight hundred and nine four one, Shawn, 4 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: if you want to be a part of the program. 5 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: So I really can tell you that, thanks to all 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: of you listening to this radio show and seven hundred 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: stations strong now watching the TV show, that I found 8 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: my passion the first day I ever got behind a 9 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: radio microphone. That first day, it was it always done. 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: My life was over. If I had to pick a 11 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: life that somebody that I know that I am just 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: I admire so much and would want to live myself, 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: it would be Mike Pompale's life. We first met when 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 1: he was a congressman. We met I've never had been 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: to Langley before when he was the CIA director, and 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: he was very gracious to let me go over and 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: see Langley, which was pretty cool, you know, just everything 18 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: you see in a Jason Bourne movie basically. And then 19 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: he became Secretary of State at a very critical point 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: in American history, you know, dealing with the likes of 21 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: you know, Little rocket Man and Vladimir Putin and President 22 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: She and all his life experiences are paths across many 23 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: many times. I was in Helsinki, I was in Vietnam, 24 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: I was in Singapore. And I've known him since. He's 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: a congressman. He's also a dear friend. He may be 26 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: running for president. We'll ask him in a second. But 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: he wrote a book and I really have started it. 28 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: I really can't put it down. It's never given inch 29 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: fighting for the America that I love. And it talks 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: a lot about the experiences that he's had both the 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: CIA director and Secretary of State, and his life. Isn't 32 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: incredible Mike Pompeo, dear friend, welcome back to the program. 33 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: How are you, sir Sean. I'm doing great. Thank you, 34 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: thanks for those kind words, and thanks for having me 35 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: on to talk about my book. What an incredible life 36 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: you have led. First of all, let me start with 37 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: the CIA. I'm if I could be a spy. I 38 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: would love to be a spy. I'm fascinating by that 39 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: entire world. And the thing is, you really can't tell 40 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: me much of what you know about what's really going 41 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: on in the world, can you. A lot of that 42 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: is quiet for a reason, I will say to say, 43 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't get it right. Every day but the men 44 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: and women who are out there, you met them when 45 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: you went out to Langley. These are patriots try and 46 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: every day to just be free, to put a dagger 47 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: in their teeth and get out and protect America. And 48 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: so it was a wonderful opportunity to lead them, to 49 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: take risks on the side of them, and to deliver 50 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: really good intelligence for the President of United States of America. 51 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: At the time, President Trump was an America first president. 52 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: President Trump had made a commitment to get out of 53 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: long protracted conflicts abroad, both by the way, everything that 54 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: they had promised he fulfilled. He defeated the ISIS Caliphate, 55 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: which I don't think he got enough credited for, and 56 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: he did it systematically. You got you were there, You've 57 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: met Kim Jong un, You've met Ladimir, You've met President she. 58 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: You discuss all of this in the book. Let's talk 59 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: a little bit about the people, the evil actors on 60 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: the world stage. All three the ones that I mentioned, 61 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: I would view as hostile regimes, hostile actors. Um you 62 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: didn't really have the best words to say for any 63 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: of them. Let's start with Vladimir Putin. You said he 64 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: can be funny, he's funny, but he's a train KGB agent. 65 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's exactly what he's doing. I've been criticized 66 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: for saying he's smart, but you know, Sean, we have 67 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: to respect our adversaries. We have to love them, don't 68 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: like what they're doing. But you can't call isis the 69 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: JV because you're gonna get people's heads cut off. You see. Yeah, 70 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: you said he he said he's funny, but you also 71 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: said he's evil, and you're right, he's evil. Yeah, that's right. 72 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: He's evil and his intention to conquer greater Europe has 73 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: never wavered. What wavered was his perception of American leadership. 74 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: And for four years we convinced Ladimir Putin that it 75 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: wasn't worth a candle. Right, he takes Cremia twenty fourteen, 76 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, it doesn't move on Europe for four years, 77 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: and then he goes back at it with President Putin 78 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: didn't change American leadership change and then never give an inch. 79 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: I write about the tools we used of American power. 80 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: We didn't, Sean, we didn't send the eighty second airport, 81 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: we didn't set a marine division. We used American power 82 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: to protect and secure America. One of the things that 83 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: I found interesting is before you met him, it was 84 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: clear he studied you, and that, you know, on the 85 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: reverse side of that, you studied him. When when you're 86 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: preparing for a summit like that or a meeting like 87 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: that with you know, one of our biggest geopolitical foes, 88 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: what does that entail? Oh goodness, I did. I spent 89 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: it would have been a couple of months preparing for 90 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: my first meeting with him, trying to learn everything we 91 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: know who's met with him before. In the book, I 92 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: talked about the fact never given to take the fact 93 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: that Dennis Rodman was the American record holder for spending 94 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: time with Chairman Kim. He coached the North Korean basketball team, 95 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: and so we read what he had told us about 96 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: his visits. We read the histories about Chairman Kim's childhood, 97 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: he studied in Switzerland, and then all that the Intelligence 98 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: Committee had been able to collect so that we had 99 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: as good an understanding of how he thought about his 100 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: country so that we could deliver for hours. So when 101 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: you meet with Plutin, you know, he's calculating. You know, 102 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: at times it was a tense discussion. At other times 103 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: it was more lighthearted. I know you can't get into 104 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: specifics for national security concerns, but what can you tell us, No, 105 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: Plutin was a special difficult case for us because the 106 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: Trump administration lived under the Russia hooks for the first 107 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: two and a half years of our time, right where 108 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: New York Times Washington posts were out, and Adam Scheffut 109 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: telling this false narrative about Trump and everyone in his 110 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: orbit being a Russian asset. So the meetings with him 111 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: were complicated by that fact. He was serious in his result, 112 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: but he that we were different cats, that we were 113 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: different from the president that he had dealt with previously, 114 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: and so I think his perception of risk was just 115 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: really really different. He was talking to us. Remember, we 116 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: have lots of places we come into contact with Russians. 117 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: We came into contact with them in Syria, and when 118 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: they crossed our red line and sent troops across the 119 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: Euphrates River, we took out three hundred five years soldiers. 120 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: I think those are the kinds of things to send 121 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: a message to. Putin had said, this is not my moment, 122 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: and that's how you protect America and make it more 123 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: prosperous without big adventurous American diplomacy. You know, I'm often 124 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: called a warmonger by folks on the left. The trip 125 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: is we were just the opposite of that. We built 126 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: at a peace regime in the Middle East, in Asia 127 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: and in Europe that served us well and for four 128 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: years we had no new war. Shan, we took down 129 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: to Califoratia. It was a pretty successful run. Let me 130 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: go into the issues involving him. Did you were you 131 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: surprised by Ukraine and his invasion? And here's my analysis, 132 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: and it's based in part on what sources have told me, 133 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: my own observations, and my own you know, reading of 134 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: press reports. I got the sense that Donald Trump spoke 135 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: so freely to Putin that you know, he would say things, 136 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: if you do A, I will do B and B 137 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: would be so it would be such a colossal, you know, 138 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: promise that I think Putin was probably maybe taken aback. 139 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: Maybe there was only one percent of him that thought 140 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: this guy might be crazy enough to do what he's 141 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 1: saying it was and there was a certain fear factor 142 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: with Trump. Maybe if it was only one percent, maybe 143 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: this guy is crazy enough to do something like that. 144 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: Was that real? Shan? You have it largely right. This 145 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: is a classic Reagan deterrence. Bottle right, there's a peace 146 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: through strength, and we delivered that. And your point is 147 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: well taken. The messages that we sent to the Russians 148 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: weren't headlines in the newspaper. They were private conversations about 149 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: the things we really cared about, the things that made 150 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: it different. Things we were prepared to defend. There are 151 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: other things, you know, you all want to go do that, okay, 152 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: But on the things that mattered to Americans safe, we 153 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: were pretty clear and we told them what our expectation 154 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: was and what the cost of that would be if 155 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: he went down that path. And I think that's why 156 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: we were able to keep him in the box for 157 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: our four years, including Ukraine. Everybody knew at that time 158 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: he had territorial ambitions for Ukraine. Those conversations I assume 159 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: came up in those meetings. Absolutely, No, you're Sean, You've 160 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: got it exactly right. Putin hasn't changed your point about 161 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: his territorial ambitions. That is a throughout proposition for his 162 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: whole life. What changed was his perception of risk. And 163 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: when Biden says a mayor incursion is okay, or walks 164 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: US out of Afghanistan in the most humiliating way you 165 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: can imagine, with the lost thirteen American life. Putin says, 166 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: this is my time, and you got to worry about 167 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: the impact. How is the how is President she reading? 168 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: What's going on with Ukraine. I'll get to that in 169 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: a minute. Let me talk a little bit. I was there. 170 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: I actually saw you in Singapore. I'm sure you don't remember, 171 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: during the summit in twenty eighteen, and you were I 172 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: was actually laughing. You may actually met little rocket man 173 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: Kim Jong un. You referred to him as a small, sweating, 174 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: evil dictator from North Korea, but you also studied him 175 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, crediting him that he was smart, savvy, ruthless. 176 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: And I remember at the time people were upset that 177 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was even meeting with him. And I said, folks, 178 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: what did Donald Trump give Kim Jong um? Nothing except 179 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: his time, But we got the remains of Americans from 180 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: the Korean War back. He stopped firing his missiles every 181 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: other day, and a relationship developed, and the world, in 182 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: that sense was a little safer because of a rapport 183 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: that was built. To me, it was a brilliant strategy 184 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: absolutely brilliant and well executed too, and never given into 185 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: the book. I talk about the three hostages we got 186 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: back as well shot too. Yeah. Yeah. In front of 187 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: the book, we actually have a statement from one of 188 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: the hostages, in his own words, in thought he was 189 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: being released. He shows up at the tarmac and there 190 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: is this of a white over blue American aircraft with 191 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: an American seal audit. This is American part. We didn't sean, 192 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: we didn't apologize, we didn't pay a penny, and with 193 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: those three Americans out, no policy there worked delivered for 194 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: the American people, and it reduced an awful out of 195 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: risk here at home. And Trump joked that Elton John's 196 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: song rocket Man was a great song, and he really 197 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: meant that his compliment that was hilarious. Yeah, Jairmy Kim 198 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: saw right through that. He had his own response. What 199 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: I would vaguely remember him saying something along the lines 200 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: of your rocketman, okay, little rocket man, not okay, which 201 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: is pretty good. So I would argue and correct me 202 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: if you think I'm wrong that America's number one geopolitical 203 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: foe today is China. That's what concerns me so much 204 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: about the Bidens and the family business and the one 205 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: point five billion dollar deal with the Bank of China, 206 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: a deal on sending natural gas to China, a five 207 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: million dollars no interest forgivable loan. I'm sure you would 208 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,599 Speaker 1: love those terms yourself, and everybody listening would. Yeah, you 209 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: can't get that deal. Um so, but you really you 210 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: referred to what did you say about President Sheet That 211 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: he was dour um just kind of dead eyed to you, 212 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: I think is the term you used. Yeah, he was 213 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: of all the senior leaders I met with, he was 214 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: the most difficult to penetrate. He had this he had 215 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: a blank space. He was difficult and nasty. In every conversation, 216 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: there were no there were no like moments in my 217 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: conversations with him. It was it was all serious, and 218 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: he always had this chip on his shoulder. I think 219 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: he understood deeply that our model was a superior model. 220 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: But he was determined to try and make America be 221 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: a nation in decline. And you could read that and 222 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: feel that in every it oozed from him every time 223 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: I met with him. Well, apparently he made a call 224 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: to Trump demanding you give hired over comments you made 225 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: about COVID. Yeah, that's that's exactly right. My comments were 226 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: actually about the Chinese comment is party more broadly, but 227 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: on a phone call in the time that COVID was 228 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: wearing its ugly head here in America, he just railed 229 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: on me, and he would have probably known I was 230 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: on the call. The call was between the two leaders, 231 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: but he would have known I was on the calling 232 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: when when the call ended, President Trump called me back 233 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: and that that haff and guy hate you, and which 234 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: I by the way, that's a badge of honor. I 235 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: like that. Maybe so, But in any event, it was 236 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: as closure as I think as I've ever come as 237 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: I heted to get a fired shot. Uh you got 238 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of refend. You posted a picture quote 239 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: what you describe as a completely innocent photo of his 240 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: dog cuddling a well chewed Winnie the Pooh toy. Uh yeah, yeah, 241 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: having some fun, just having some fun. He doesn't like 242 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,599 Speaker 1: the fact he's been compared to that he looks like 243 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: Whinney the Pooh. And so we have two to build retrievers, 244 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: and one of them at a wanted the poop puppy, 245 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: And I just thought, boy, that that's funny to watch 246 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: my dog play so and put it up on Twitter. 247 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: It was it was a little bit fun. I had 248 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: my own discussions with Dennis Rodman and he gave me 249 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: some insights into a little rocket Man too. Let me 250 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: talk about just real quickly, the state of the world 251 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: as you see it today. I think I speak for 252 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: a lot of conservatives, and I'm angry that our Western 253 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: European and NATO allies don't do most of the contributing 254 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: as it relates to Ukraine. That's in their backyard, on 255 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: our backyard, and no. Conservatives are angry because it doesn't 256 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: seem like we're fighting that war to win it and 257 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: we're paying the bulk of money. And why doesn't Why 258 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: doesn't NATO, Why doesn't Western Europe? Why don't they understand 259 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: this is a existential threat to them? So that's a 260 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: long running problem. The videotape from I think it was 261 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: the spring of eighteen, or maybe it's the fallow two eighteen, 262 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: with President Trump and I sitting the NATO leadership demanding 263 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: that they defend themsel right, that they don't depend on 264 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: Russian gas. We told them time and time again, this 265 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: is going to end badly. We wouldn't we wouldn't have 266 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: done exactly how But we've got forty years we say Europe, 267 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: really France in Germany, the two big economies there under 268 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: investing in their own defense. And you can see this 269 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: coming back to kick them in the head. Now, No, 270 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: that's for the conflict. There's there's only one way we're 271 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: going to stop the killing this taking place there. There's 272 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: only one way we're going to prevent to continue ratcheting 273 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: up with pain on Europe. And that just means we're 274 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: gonna have to provide the Ukrainians the tools they need 275 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: to actually achieve an outcome that is permanent and lasting. 276 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: All Right, I got I want to hold you through 277 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: the break if you can give me just a couple 278 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: of minutes here. Um, the book is phenomenal. I really 279 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: only have two big questions for you. You know what 280 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: one of them is. So we'll get to Mike Pompeio 281 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: on the other side. His new book is out, Never 282 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: Given Inch, Fighting for the America. I love Hannity dot com, 283 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: Amazon dot com, bookstores everywhere, and we'll get to more 284 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: with the former secretary in a minute. I hope we 285 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: come back, Mike Pompey. I have a few more questions 286 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: for him. On the other side, he's worked in the 287 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: CIA's worked in Congress, and he's worked at Secretary of State. 288 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: I want to get his thoughts on the issue of 289 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: a deep state, Does it exist, how does it? How 290 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: do we deal with it in the end, and the 291 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: investigations obviously going on by Jim Jordan and Jim call 292 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: me also, is he running for president? A lot of 293 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: speculation he might be. We'll talk to him about that 294 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: and much more on the other side as we continue. 295 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: When news breaks, you get the inside story that no 296 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: one else has and the behind the scenes chatter that 297 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: the mainstream media doesn't even know about. This is the 298 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity Show. I twenty five down to the top 299 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: of the hour. Thank you for being with us. Eight 300 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: hundred nine for one, Shawn our number if you want 301 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: to be a part of the program. I said two questions, 302 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna invoke talk show host privilege here and 303 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: make it three more questions. A former Secretary of State, 304 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: former CIA director, former Congressman Mike Pompeo is with us. 305 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: You've got a great new book out gives you a 306 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: lot of insight into the foreign policy adventures. You might 307 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: want to call them during the Trump years. Never give 308 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: an inch fighting for the America that I love. Uh, 309 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: mister secretarist, thanks for staying with us. It's on Amazon 310 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: dot com, Hannity dot com, bookstores everywhere. UM. First question 311 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: is the obvious one. There's been a lot of talk 312 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: speculation you may be running for president. Are you thinking 313 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: about it? I am Sean, Susan, my wife Susan and 314 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: I are praying, trying to figure out if this is 315 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: the right time and we're the right folks to leave 316 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: the country forward. We'll get to we'll get to the 317 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: long and then if we decide we're going to go 318 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: do it, we'll add to Iowa to I'm sure South 319 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: Carolina and begin to make the case with two American people. 320 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: I had. It's to me it's a little early to 321 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: be talking about twenty twenty four. I feel like we 322 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: just got out of an election cycle. But UM, I 323 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: asked Nicky Haley on Friday a question, I'll ask you 324 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: the same one. So both of you work for President Trump. 325 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: President Trump is the only announced candidate, and my question 326 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: is where do you see differences between Trump policies America First, 327 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: make America great Again policies versus your policies. What's different. Goodness, 328 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: a lot of them would be in the space I 329 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: wasn't operating in Sean. It would be in the way 330 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: we think about the American economy. We need to the 331 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: Trump admistration to spend an awful lot of money. We're 332 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: now thirty two thirty one trillion dollars in the hole, 333 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: and so there is a lot of work to fix that. 334 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: Our kids and our grandkids. We live in a very 335 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: different America if we keep blowing two trillion dollars in 336 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: tet on top of the United States every year. And 337 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: that's the security issues. There aren't a whole lot of 338 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: differences in terms of how I would deliver. But I 339 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: do think it's really important that we speak to the 340 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: American people about it in a way that we're different 341 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: than we sometimes did in the Trump administration. All Right, 342 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: so let me ask you this because I think this 343 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: is very very important. Look, primaries are going to be primaries. 344 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: Whoever gets in, it's in, and at the end of 345 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: the day, it's going to be able to Republican voters. 346 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: Here's a question that I think you would probably be 347 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: the most able to answer, But I'm not sure if 348 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: he can and I believe that we now have an 349 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: FBI sadly that's been politicized. I'll give you two quick 350 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:24,239 Speaker 1: examples and adj that's weaponized. In twenty sixteen, Bruce Orr 351 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: warned everybody not to trust the dossier, that it was 352 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: a political document and it wasn't verified. That was in 353 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: August twenty sixteen. In early October of twenty sixteen, the 354 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: FBI sent agents abroad to meet with Christopher Steele, the 355 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: author of the bought and paid for Russian dossier that 356 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: has now been debunked, as you know, and they were 357 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: never able to give him a million dollar bounty that 358 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: they offered him. So by the end of October, they 359 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: use the bulk of information in the FISA application to 360 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: spy on Carter Page and backdoor their way into the 361 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: Trump campaign and then later presidency. They used that document. 362 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: And Andrew McCabe, the deputy FBI director, even said without 363 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: the dossier, they never would have had the FISA warrant approved. 364 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: My question is is simple. And then in twenty twenty, 365 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 1: you know, we know big tech companies were meeting weekly 366 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: with FBI representatives, headed up by an agent that wrote 367 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: a thesis in twenty sixteen that Donald Trump, how Donald 368 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: Trump and Russia colluded for him to win in twenty sixteen, 369 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: So obviously there's a bias. They gave Twitter three and 370 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: a half million dollars, but they kept warning all these 371 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: big tech companies, hey, be on the lookout for disinformation 372 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: from foreign adversaries. They might even talk about Hunter Biden 373 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: and they mentioned that name. The head of the site 374 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: integrity at Twitter, by by the name of mister Roth, 375 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, testified to that case. And what was its 376 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: in a Missouri case, Eric Schmidt was running the case 377 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: of the time. So my question is is there a 378 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: deep state? The answer is yes. It's a little de 379 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: for instance, some folks think about it, but this is 380 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: you have and I'll speak directly to the State Department. 381 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the FBI stuff, but the 382 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: State Department, your state department that doesn't execute the president's 383 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: mission set. They resisted nearly everything that we tried to do, 384 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: whether it was the Abraham Chords of the strike on 385 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,719 Speaker 1: Constum Solamani, the list goes on. They were they were 386 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: their own little blob, their establishment blob, and that is 387 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: deeply dangerous to the United States of America. And so 388 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: we've got to I have a theory of the case 389 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: on how one can fix this. It would start with 390 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: just being able to fire every single one of them 391 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: if you needed to. They didn't do their job just 392 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: like you would do in your business. Shot get rid 393 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: of them. You know your point on the FBI is 394 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: a good one, and never give an inch. I write 395 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: about January sixth, two thousand and seventeen, I was still 396 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: just remember Congress, but I was the nominee to b 397 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: C director And when you read the story of what Clapper, 398 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: Komey and Brennan did to Donald Trump at Trump Tower 399 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: that day, they basically called him in and briefed him 400 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: and said you're a Russian asset, and they knew it 401 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: wasn't true. And there I was. I was asked to 402 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: be there because I carried a top secret security clearance 403 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: because of my time on the House Intelligence Committee. And 404 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, you just undermined what the American people 405 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: just voted for. January sixth, twenty seventeen, was a seminal 406 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: day as I watched really Comey and Clapper behave in 407 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: ways that were unconscionable, and they knew it couldn't have 408 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: been true. But they kept signing them. I mean, you know, 409 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: they've since had hearings where everyone that signed onto the 410 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: FIS application that we now know was unverifiable because it 411 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: was never true. They all walked. There were no consequences 412 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: for anybody. It's unbelievable. The fact that McCabe, who even 413 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: the FBI saidline, hasn't been held accountable is deeply Unamerican. 414 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: This I hope. I hope Congress will get after this. 415 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: I hope Kemmy Jordan and his team will get after 416 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: this the same way he and I chased down Hillary 417 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: Clinton on Benghazi. The American people at the very least 418 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: need to know what their FBI did under the leadership 419 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: of Director. Coming to me, I think we're at the 420 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: point where it's sort of like where you have to 421 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: have a church committee. You know. One of the things 422 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: I've always enjoyed, We've had a good friendship relationship. I 423 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: had no hesitancy asking you if I had a doubt 424 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: about a certain person and if you could give me guidance, 425 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: and you would always tell me the truth if you 426 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: if you could, there occasions you could absolutely no, no, 427 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: every time I could absolutely no. We need our government 428 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: to be responsive, not political, and we saw Brennan did 429 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: the same thing out at CIA. He made a political 430 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: he knew the steel Dotier shouldn't have been included in 431 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: that report, and he bypassed and I read about this 432 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: and never given and he bypassed the analytical process to 433 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: do that. This is inconsistent with how leaders should behave 434 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: and all of them are out now making money, talking 435 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: on talk shows, continuing to proper their lives to the 436 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: American people. Is there any truth to this notion, this idea. 437 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: We've had people in the intelligence community on this show 438 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: that make an allegation that there is you know, all 439 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: these databases, the accumulation of all data, every text, every email, 440 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: every phone call, uh data mining and saving all this stuff. 441 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: Is that really happening or is that total? Bs sean? 442 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: The substance of phone calls all that I saw and 443 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: I never saw in either role. I never saw anyone 444 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: that was collecting what you're describing that right, which is 445 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: that they can sort of replay every phone call from two, five, 446 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: ten years ago. I never saw any evidence of that. Mike. 447 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: It's a fascinating book. What I'm not kidding, What a 448 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: great life you've led and I know you're just beginning, 449 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: but Mike Pompeo's new book, Never Given Inch, Fighting for 450 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: the America. I love. Uh, we really appreciate your time. 451 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate your friendship. Thank you, Yes, sir, thank you. 452 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: I'm a good day you too. It's on Amazon dot com, 453 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: Hannity dot com, bookstores everywhere. Uh. Fascinating and a fascinating 454 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: It's what life is. Wouldn't you'd love to be in 455 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: the room with Putin and Chee and Kim Jong Lun 456 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: and little rocket Man and and and know all of 457 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: our nation's secrets. I'd love to know all that. I'm 458 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: going to take a hard pass on that and say 459 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm so glad it was Pompeyo and not me. I'm 460 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: all set with not being an room that sounds like 461 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: it just sounds. I mean, I think it takes a 462 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: very special person to walk into that room and to 463 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: be calm and to be collected and understand that you 464 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: are meeting with the enemy and that there is a 465 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: greater means to an end, and that you get you know, 466 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: you get more bees with honey at the end of 467 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: the day. Right. Well, I mean, I think what I 468 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: said at one point is you know, conveyed to me 469 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: through a different sources, is that Donald Trump was no 470 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: holds barred. Donald Trump said you do this, I'm going 471 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: to do that, and what that was was usually extreme. 472 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: Well what the brea can always say, piece through strength. Yeah, 473 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: nobody's afraid of us right now. But that was the 474 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: whole point. I think that. And you know, one of 475 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: the things that I would say is an asset that 476 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: maybe some people look at as as a deficit for 477 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: Trump is that this is a certain level of he 478 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: might be crazy enough to do that. And I don't 479 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: think any the president in the modern era short of Reagan, 480 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: had that strength, had that ability to create that strength. Well, 481 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: if you do it, I'm just gonna have to respond 482 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: in kind. And I and let's look at me. I 483 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: mean what I say, I will do it. Well. I 484 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: think also in the case of some of two of 485 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: the people that were talking about right now, they had 486 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: private business, they had private lives, they had lives before 487 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: they were politicians. You know, you have somebody like Joe 488 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: Biden who has literally been a politician for forty eight 489 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: years of his life and has accomplished absolutely nothing. And 490 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: then you look at Trump, whether you like him or not, 491 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: who was a very accomplished businessman and knew how to negotiate. 492 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: And I'm sure at times he was ruthless and other 493 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: times he was a mitigator, and he played whatever role 494 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: needed to be played to get the deal done. Hence 495 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: the art of the deal. Yeah, well, sudden, all right, 496 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: let's get to our busy phones. Eight hundred nine one, 497 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: Shawn our number. Andrew's in the Free State of Florida. 498 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: A lot of Florida calls today. What's up, Bandrew? How 499 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: are you okay? Great? Hope you are. Thank you for 500 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: your service. I know it's a fashion for you, so 501 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: I know you work your team off, but you do 502 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: a fantastic job. Thank you. Add it's your passion. But 503 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: last week you were talking about the world of economic forms. 504 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's such a big group of you know, gazillionaires. 505 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,239 Speaker 1: And the only thing that I feel like I can 506 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: do I look at the companies that involved with that, 507 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: I absolutely boycott them. I don't buy, they don't get 508 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: a cent from me. And that's the only thing that 509 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: I feel like I can do to dry to alcohol 510 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: and in them a little bit, you know, to knock 511 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: them down a notch and if everybody did it, maybe 512 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: they'd get started getting the message. But boycott, boycott, boycott 513 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: on people that are funding all of these crazy policies. 514 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: So that was one comment that I wanted to make. 515 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: And the other is these people like Mike Pompey was 516 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: talking about Adam Schiff, these outright there's falsehoods. There's got 517 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: to be some consequence for that. You know, you get 518 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: dejected from the Senate. You're not just censored, but something's 519 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: got to happen. And it just blows my mind that 520 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: that people can say complete falsehoods and it just gets 521 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: sucked under the rug and nobody does it, you know, 522 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: when you can vote. But well, we're getting some work 523 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: done now. I kept telling everybody, Well, one, I did 524 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: not have the exuberance attack that many had about the 525 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: mid term elections. I've been very dubious about how elections 526 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: are being run by Democrats, and I'm now saying it loudly, 527 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: and I want everyone to hear me. Unless Republicans match 528 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: what the Democrats are doing in terms of elections, both 529 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: in raising money for the negative ads and number two, 530 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: investing in the ballot harvesting operations that forty nine states 531 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: allowed by law and following the law. Unless we do 532 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: and match and do it better than the Democrats, you 533 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: can say goodbye to winning a lot of races. We 534 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: thought we should win, but secondly I didn't. And you 535 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: got to give up your reluctance to voting earlier by mail. Yeah, 536 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: but yeah, we can't. We know what they do and 537 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: we got to fight. We got sight harder than make you. 538 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: It's forth to fight. I just want to say thanks 539 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: for your service. Oh, thank you, sir. You make this happen, 540 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: not me. I appreciate it. It's my honor. Oh no, 541 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: you know the liberal How did you get on TV? 542 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: How did you get through? Who put you through? Who? 543 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: You know? That was done just to mess with me? 544 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: How are you? Sir? I called Sean? I dial that number. 545 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: Sometimes I get lucky. I'm a very lucky man. You're lucky, 546 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: all right, lucky? Literally? I bet you live in a 547 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: rent control department, don't you. I live in the senior 548 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: citizens apartment in Brooklyn named Bishop Boardman. Yeah, the Bishop bill. 549 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: Thirty three of them in Brooklyn durned the eighties, and 550 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here. It's like winning the lottery. Honestly, Well, 551 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: let me ask you, what do you pay for your 552 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: rent every month? If I may ask, you don't have 553 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: to answer if you don't want. My rent is four 554 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month. I live in Park Slope, Brooklyn. Yes, 555 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: a hundred dollars. You know what the market rate is 556 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: for your apartment? How many bedrooms? Mister, dollars? Is a 557 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: top rent in this building? Okay, but but that's not 558 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: my point. How many bedrooms you have? I just have 559 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: one bedroom. They're all single senior citizens apartments, all right? Now, 560 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: do you know what that that would rent for on 561 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: an open market, free market. You've paid three four thousand 562 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: dollars the dollars a month up the block from me 563 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: for a two bedroom. I know what. This neighborhood is 564 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: very nice. I grew up there, Sean. I'm an expert 565 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: on Brooklyn. Yeah, and there you are on national television. 566 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: The last segment of our show, we call Last Call, 567 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: and we let one of the viewers have the last word, 568 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: and then you called me the most dangerous man in America? 569 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: Yet again, where did that come from? Well, Sean, you 570 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: know you have a very eloquent voice. Your people who 571 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: listen to you are sincere they're wonderful Americans. But you know, Sean, 572 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: we need a whole new approach here. We don't need 573 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: less people voting, We need more people voting. We need 574 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: more pay for our workers. So what if I wasn't 575 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: in this building, where would I live? In the street. 576 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: I don't want you in the street. But you know, 577 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: so what we have is taxpayers. I mean, you've been 578 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: an able body. You worked your whole life, didn't you. Yes, 579 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: of course I did. But I couldn't afford to live 580 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: in my hometown. Well, I mean sometimes if you can't afford, 581 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: I had this experience in life. I had to live 582 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: outside of where whatever city I was in because I 583 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: couldn't afford to live anywhere else. Well, I got some lucky, Sean. 584 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: My mother lived in this building for thirty eight years, 585 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: I said in my application, and they called me to 586 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: move in. I am a lucky man, and seniors need 587 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: more health, not less. I'm not I'm not mad. I'm happy, 588 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: you're happy. We love you mo as you my friend. 589 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what am I supposed to say. Of course, 590 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: I want my safe and secure. The very latist, more 591 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: documents and the double standard of treatment as it relates 592 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: to Joe Biden top secret classified information versus Donald Trump, 593 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, Greg Jarrett, Alan Dershowitz, Kelly and Conway, Ari Fleischer, 594 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: Judge Denim will join us tonight. Giano Calwell thrown out 595 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: of a restaurant because the owner didn't like the fact 596 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: that he's a conservative and African American conservative. Really in 597 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: this day and age. He'll tell us his story and 598 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: we'll talk about his book, Taken for Granted, How conservatism 599 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: can win back the Americans that liberalism failed. It's all happening. 600 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: Nine eiestern tonight, Hannity Fox. Hope you'll join us, see 601 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: you tonight. Back here tomorrow. Thank you for making this 602 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: show possible.