1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: It really requires a lot of self reflection and a 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: lot of self awareness to know, like, well, what do 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: I really want for myself in five years? How does 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: the answer to that question now guide me in the 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: direction of where I want to go? 6 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Emily a body here. You are listening to 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: another installment of Hurdle Moment from Hurdle, a wellness focused 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: podcast where I chat with everyone from your favorite athletes 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: to top experts and industry CEOs about their highest highs, 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: toughest moments, and everything in between. We all go through 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: hurdles in life, and my goal through these discussions is 12 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: to empower you to better navigate yours and move with 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: intention so that you can stride towards your own big 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: potential and of course have some fun along the way. 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: For today day's episode, I'm chatting with Liz Beecroft. She 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: is a psychotherapist for athletes and creatives based here in 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: New York City, and today we are tackling the topic 18 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: of how to create a five year plan, how to 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: navigate the anxiety that comes with creating a five year plan. 20 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: I have you all on my dms all the time 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: talking about strategies. 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 3: You know, I love a good planning moment. 23 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: I have spoken about on the show how I love 24 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: to do quarterly summits with myself to go over the 25 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: goals that I have where I'm at, do a little 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: bit of a self audit, and so it's no wonder 27 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: that I asked Liz to come on the show and 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: give me her input. We talk about how to navigate 29 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: planning without getting overwhelmed, as well as what to do 30 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: when you do feel stuck, when you do feel like 31 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: it's just way too much to handle, and why acknowledging 32 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: that feeling can be the first step to getting to 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: where you actually want to go. 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: Oh. 35 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: We also talk about how feelings can play a really 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: big part in this and the importance of embracing life 37 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: as it happens, being honest with yourself about where you're 38 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 2: at currently and ultimately again where you want to go. Now. 39 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: Of course, guy do a little shout out. 40 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: This episode is actually coming out on Liz's birthday, So 41 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: happy birthday to Liz, her and I fellow Gemini's and 42 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: a little bit. 43 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: Of housekeeping here. 44 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: I'm hosting a live podcast with my friends at Nike 45 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: on Global Running Day next week here in New York, 46 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to share all of those details in my 47 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 2: Instagram story today when this episode goes live on May 48 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: thirty first, and as a part of that, I'm going 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: to be answering your running questions from gear to tactics, 50 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: training to warm ups, you name it, with the help 51 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 2: of Nike running. 52 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 3: Coach Jess Woods. 53 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: If you have a question you want us to answer, 54 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: click on over to the show notes and click leave 55 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: me a voice message and you might just get life. 56 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: I would love to Nothing's off limits. Make sure you're 57 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: following along with Hurdle. Over at Hurdle Podcast. I am 58 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: over at Emily a Body and with that, let's get 59 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: to hurdling. Today, I am sitting down with Liz Beecroft. 60 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: She is a New York City based psychotherapist. She works 61 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: with athletes and creatives. 62 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: How you doing, Liz, I'm good. 63 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: How are you? 64 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: I'm good. I am so excited to have you on 65 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: the show. We recently worked together on an article that 66 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: I wrote for Wondermind. Did you always foresee yourself getting 67 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: into this line of work? 68 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: No, I actually really wanted to be an orthodonist because 69 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: I had braces like four times. Even as an adult, 70 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: I had braces, and I don't know why I thought 71 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: that was my path in life, but I ended up 72 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: ultimately hating organic chemistry, and then I changed my major 73 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: to psychology. And now you know, in hindsight, I look 74 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: back and I'm like, it makes a lot of sense. 75 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: So why I ended up where I am now Because 76 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: in my private practice, I primarily work with athletes and creatives. 77 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: And it's so funny. Last night I was in a 78 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: session with my therapists and we were talking a lot 79 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: about my high school basketball coach and how there's a 80 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: lot of toxicity that had happened. So full circle, I'm 81 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: now helping athletes who hopefully don't have any toxic coaches 82 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: or people in their. 83 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: Life, hopefully not. I love that. 84 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 2: Right off the bat, you kind of brought attention to 85 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: the fact that as a therapist, you work with a therapist. 86 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: We hear of this saying so often even coaches need coaches. 87 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: Why do you think that it's so important that you yourself 88 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: also seek out help and attention? 89 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean because at the end of the day, 90 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: we're all human beings with emotions and a limited capacity 91 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: for what we can take in, and so you know, 92 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: our jobs and nature of our jobs, we're hearing a lot, 93 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, from people, whether it's the highs, the low 94 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: those the traumatic experiences, and it's hard to not you know, 95 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: let that sit with you outside of you know, sessions. 96 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: So to have an outlet for myself is super important 97 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: because it really allows me to show up for my 98 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: clients in a way that I'm you know, healthy mentally. 99 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about opening your own private practice. 100 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I actually, prior to private practice, worked for 101 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: a foster care organization for five years and once I 102 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: got my LCSW license, that's when I decided it was 103 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: time to go into private practice. And so I was 104 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: kind of doing both at the same time, and then 105 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: eventually during COVID was when I made the leap to 106 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: be full time private practice. And I also do a 107 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: lot of work with sneakers and streetwear and sports in general. 108 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: It's just a passion of mine. I was an athlete myself, 109 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: and that's kind of where I pivoted my private practice 110 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: into working with creatives and athletes because something I'm passionate about, 111 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: but it's also something I really understand just as a 112 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: therapist can help those people. 113 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's really cool. Though, that you're finding a 114 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: way to connect your passions. For those that may not 115 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: be familiar with the term LCSW and what goes into 116 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: gaining that certification, you want to give them a little 117 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: bit of intel on that. 118 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So my master's is in social work. 119 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: I have a MSW, and once you graduate, you have 120 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: to take an exam depending on the state that you're 121 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: in to obtain your LMSW license, which is your licensed 122 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: Master social Work. And then if you want to do 123 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: more clinical work or open your own private practice, you 124 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: really kind of need your LCSW, which is your Licensed 125 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: Clinical Social Worker license. So it takes about three years 126 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: from when you get your LMSW until you can get 127 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: your LCSW. You need three thousand clinical hours and one 128 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: hundred supervisory hours that all have to be signed off on, 129 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: and then a whole lot of studying that goes into 130 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: taking this exam. And if you pass your smooth sailing 131 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: and luckily I passed on my first try. 132 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: Wow, that's awesome. 133 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: So I love to hear that you had an idea, 134 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: you pivoted a little bit along the way, but you 135 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: found yourself and being able to do this work. 136 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: That from the way that you speak about it seems 137 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: really fulfilling. 138 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it, and I think, you know, even 139 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: when I was a teenager, like I didn't even realize 140 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: this was something I could do, you know. And even 141 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: now I'm going to be thirty two literally next week 142 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: and trying to just still navigate my career and learning 143 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: new things about how you can really combine your passions 144 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: into what you do is a really beautiful thing. 145 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: So today we're here to talk about planning, specifically the 146 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: anxieties and all of the feelings that can come up 147 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: with creating what we often refer to as a five 148 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: year plan. I feel like it's like one of the 149 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: first questions that comes into play when you're talking to 150 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: anyone about business, but also bigger than business, even your relationships, 151 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: your friendships. I think during COVID we heard this a lot. 152 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: It's like, where do you want to be a few 153 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: years down the road, And so I wanted to bring 154 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: you in to talk about just the concept of planning 155 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: and how we can get over some of the hurdles 156 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: that go hand in hand with that. So do you 157 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: hear this a lot in your practice, people having anxiety 158 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: about coming up with some sort of a plan. 159 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: Yes, quite often actually, especially with creatives, because that work 160 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: there is such a change right now happening, you know, 161 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: whether it's with NFTs or AI, and there's a lot 162 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: of anxiety just in how those new mediums can be 163 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: integrated or potentially harmful for a creative Right. 164 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: So, when someone is asked about creating some sort of 165 00:08:54,280 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: a plan, why is anxiety a frequent buy product of 166 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: hearing that question? 167 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, when you think of anxiety, what it really 168 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: stems down to is getting your thoughts either caught up 169 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: into the future or into the past in a moment 170 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: where you don't have any control over. It often brings 171 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: up a lot of fear, nervousness, worry, and you're no 172 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: longer present in that moment. And so when you think 173 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: of a five year plan, you're really forcing yourself to 174 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: think into the future, which can bring up a lot 175 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: of unknowns, a lot of uncertainties, questions that we might 176 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: not have answered. And I think too, it really requires 177 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: a lot of self reflection and a lot of self 178 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: awareness to know, like, well, what do I really want 179 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: for myself? And in five years, how does the answer 180 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: to that question now guide me in the direction of 181 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: where I want to go. And I think for a 182 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: lot of people, like we are always evolving, we all, 183 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: we all are always growing. That like, sometimes we put 184 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: a level of concreteness this five year plan that makes 185 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: it seem like we have to stick by exactly that 186 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: plan and not give ourselves the grace to acknowledge that 187 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: it can change. And it's okay if it does. 188 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, what I'm hearing you say is that oftentimes 189 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: that anxiety can become a roadblock, can make people feel stuck. 190 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: What can be the benefit of acknowledging that you feel 191 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: stuck in that moment? 192 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think the benefit of that is it gives 193 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: you then the openness to really decide where you want 194 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: to go. People feel stuck, I think because we often 195 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: feel like we have to have an answer, we have 196 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: to know exactly what it is we want to do, 197 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: and sometimes we don't, you know, and that's perfectly fine. 198 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: But feeling stuck, you're feeling like you need to be 199 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: on a path a certain way A plus B equal 200 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: c or one plus one equals two. And what happens 201 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: is that means then our decision making comes into play. 202 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: You know, how we network comes into play. The you know, 203 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: specifically in our career. Whatever the five year plan entails, like, 204 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: the decisions that we make have to kind of fit 205 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: what we mold out for ourselves, and so feeling stuck 206 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: could sometimes even be due to following what society might 207 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: tell us we should do, or what our parents or 208 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: friends might be telling us we should do. But maybe 209 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: subconsciously it's not what we want to do and we're 210 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: being pulled in another direction, and that can make you 211 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: feel stuck, or it could just be because you genuinely 212 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: just don't know what it is you want. You're open 213 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: to new opportunities, and that's a really beautiful thing. 214 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, being open is definitely beautiful, and also understanding that 215 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: you have the opportunity to do some self inquisition to 216 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: figure out what happens next. 217 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: Right, So what I'm hearing you say. 218 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: Is that this then becomes an opportunity to do that 219 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: level of self inquiry, to sit down and start to 220 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 2: hash out what feels right for you. 221 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's really important to acknowledge like just 222 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: your overall identity of who you are as a human 223 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: being a person, because you know, oftentimes and when I 224 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: think of a five year plan, my mind immediately goes 225 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: to career, but that doesn't necessarily have to mean career, 226 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: And I think it's important that it doesn't always just 227 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: mean career, because our identities are more than just what 228 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: we do as our careers, and so when we think 229 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: of our five year plan, it's also important to think 230 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: of all those aspects of our identities. Are we a mother, 231 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: a sister, a son, a brother? Like? Do we like 232 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: to snowboard? Do we like to bake? Do we like 233 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: to play basketball? 234 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: Like? 235 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: What else do we do in our lives that we 236 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: tie ourselves to that brings us fulfillment? And how do 237 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: we also integrate that into the plan, Because feeling stuck 238 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: can sometimes also mean like you're not being able to 239 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: cater to those other pieces of who you are. 240 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: Right. 241 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: I think it's also like being honest with yourself, right, 242 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: and understanding that there are so many different ways that 243 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: each and every single one of us identify. So this 244 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: then goes back to perhaps and evaluation of your values 245 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: and what your priorities are. If your priority again we 246 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: wrapped about you being in New York, but like maybe 247 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: wanting to get out of here at some point soon? Okay, Well, 248 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: if your priority is in five years to be living 249 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 2: in the Connecticut suburbs. Then you have to think about 250 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: the other things that are within your control so that 251 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: you can get to where you want to be five 252 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: years down the line. 253 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: But bigger than that, something that I've. 254 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: Been doing a lot of lately is asking myself how 255 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: I want to feel by X. So let's bring that 256 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 2: into the equation. If we're thinking about a five year plan, 257 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: how does it serve you or maybe it doesn't to 258 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: think about how you want to feel. 259 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: I think that is incredibly important because what that does 260 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: is it really helps you understand how you or thoughts 261 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: and your actions align with what moods or emotions come 262 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: up for you. So you know, like, for example, if 263 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm consistently putting myself in a situation and being around 264 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: people that I know our draining that I don't really 265 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: necessarily enjoy being around, that's going to make me feel 266 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: maybe discouraged right or sad, which then means in five 267 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: years I'm continuing to stay around those people, that's not 268 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: going to align with that goal of how do I 269 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: want to feel in five years if that feeling is 270 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: not discouraged or sad. So it's really trying to. I 271 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: think it helps bring your goals into alignment with the 272 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: emotions that you want to evote, because if those don't align, 273 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: then the chances of them happening are reduced. 274 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: And it's interesting to hear you say that because I 275 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: don't necessarily believe that the first thought to okay in 276 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: five years, I want to feel X is doing an 277 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: inventory about what's in your circle right now. You know, 278 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: so often on the POD I feel like this is 279 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: the theme of twenty twenty three. I'm talking about how 280 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: energy finds like energy, and so being honest with yourself 281 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: about what's surrounding you in this moment can be a 282 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: pretty good indicator of what's available to you as you 283 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: move forward. 284 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: I think boundaries is a big theme in any type 285 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: of plan, right because you have to have healthy boundaries. 286 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: You can't have two porous boundaries or too rigid, because 287 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, you still need to be open to opportunities 288 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: that might not fit within that ideal plan, but at 289 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: the same time not allowing the unnecessary things that don't 290 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: align with those goals to continue entering our lives, either, 291 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: whether that's people, places, things, thoughts. You know, there's so 292 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: many ways we can set boundary, is what it's not 293 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: just setting a boundary with a person. You can set 294 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: financial boundaries, you can set environment boundaries, you know, And 295 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: I think like thinking in that aspect too, really helps 296 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: us give us, like some type of an outline or 297 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: a structure for what that five year plan looks like. 298 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: Right, And I love what you said earlier about the 299 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: idea that it's okay if the plan needs to shift. 300 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: I know from plans that I have set in motion 301 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: in the past that sometimes getting out of your own 302 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: way to allow for that shift can be truly, truly difficult. 303 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: What advice do you have to offer to someone who 304 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: may be hitting that hurdle, that roadblock right now? 305 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think look at those hurdles and those roadblocks 306 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: as wins. You know, we oftentimes when we're faced with 307 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: an obstacle that is stressful, we view them as losses 308 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: or you know, obstacles that aren't getting us to the 309 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: point that we want to be. But if we reframe 310 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: the way we think about it as this is actually 311 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: something that's telling me and correcting the path that I'm on. Like, 312 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: if I'm hitting an obstacle in life because I don't 313 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 1: like I just you know, if I just wake up 314 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: today and say, oh, I decided I don't actually even 315 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: want to be a therapist tomorrow, that I really just 316 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: want to focus on doing the consulting that I do 317 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: in the mental health space, then to me, that also 318 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: is a win because it's giving me insight into what 319 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: it is I truly want. And so I think having 320 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: the reframe is so important because when we get caught 321 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: up in the stress around those obstacles, we can avoid, right, 322 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: that's where the anxiety comes from because we don't have 323 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: the clear answer, but it is kind of giving us 324 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: an answer, it just might not be the answer that 325 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: we had initially thought it was going to be. So 326 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: seeing it as like those opsles our answers, they're just 327 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: not what we foreshadowed when we originally made the plan, 328 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: and being flexible and adaptable in the process. If that 329 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: makes sense. 330 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 3: No, it totally makes sense. 331 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 2: And I think that the biggest obstacle or a hurdle 332 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 2: in these scenarios is often that overwhelming feeling that. 333 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 3: I'm back at square one. 334 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: And you know that's so applicable in a myriad of situations, right, 335 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: I mean, the first one that comes to mind is 336 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 2: getting out of perhaps like a long term relationship, and 337 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, I invested three years into this thing, 338 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: and now I'm back where I started. But the reality 339 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: of that and what you're getting at here is truly 340 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: that you're not actually where you started it at all, 341 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: because you have three years of learnings under your belt 342 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: to equip you to the thing that's next for you, 343 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: the thing that will happen for you as you move forward. 344 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: But still that low feeling, that square one feeling, it's 345 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: understandable and it's undeniably something that we all experience. 346 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's all about perspective and looking at it 347 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: as it's just fine tuning our skill set and our experiences. 348 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: And you know, we need to try things in order 349 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: to learn if we like them or not. We can't 350 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: sit on the sidelines and watch and decide, oh I 351 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: can do that or I can't do that. We need 352 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: to integrate ourselves into whatever it is. And that's truly 353 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: how we're going to learn if this is what's for 354 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: us or not. And that is a that is a 355 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: skill that is climbing up the ladder, getting a step 356 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: in the right direction, because without that then you wouldn't 357 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: even have that next decision to make right. 358 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 2: And this really does like go back to your how 359 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: we started. This kind of touches on your journey right 360 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: thinking that you wanted to be an orthodonist, but realizing 361 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: that organic chemistry was absolutely miserable for you. So you 362 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 2: were able to then take that feedback I'm sure at 363 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: the moment maybe it felt some kind of way and 364 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: then be like, but what act actually does serve me, 365 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 2: what actually feels right for me, and in turn get 366 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: into a career that does really feel fulfilling. 367 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And knowing too that, like you don't have 368 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: to have the answer right away, like if you're hit 369 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 1: with an obstacle or you're faced with your reality that 370 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: you don't suddenly like the path that you're currently on, 371 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: like give yourself a little bit of time to figure 372 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: out where you want to pivot that path too, and 373 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: knowing that like sometimes just sitting with yourself, taking a break, resting, 374 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: channeling your inner child, if that means what you need 375 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: to do, whatever it is, that's okay, Like you don't 376 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: have to just suddenly know I'll have that a ha moment, 377 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: Like it will come, just might take some time. 378 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: Right, Experimentation is the way. So let's make this applicable. 379 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: Let's bring it into focus. 380 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: Here. 381 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: Someone is working on what they think is a purposeful 382 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 2: and great five year plan, and even though they can 383 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: feel very sure that it is bringing them up the 384 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: right tracks to the top of the roller coaster, they 385 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 2: are still. 386 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: Feeling like, Holy hell, what am I doing? 387 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 2: How can they make that experience feel a little bit 388 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 2: less overwhelming? 389 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think one is to really have a strong 390 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: support system. And I think that support system needs to 391 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: Something I tell my clients a lot is to make 392 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: sure your support system is made up of people who 393 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: are in similar industries as you, as well as people 394 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: who are completely opposite industries as you. Like one of 395 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: my best friends is in like pharmaceutical advertising, and I 396 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: love it because it's such a different experience for her 397 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: that like, her viewpoints really matter to me because she's 398 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: looking at things from a completely different lens, and that 399 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: is that brings a lot of value to my life. 400 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: And I think when we surround ourselves with only a 401 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: support system that are either yes people or think very 402 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: similarly like, it's not being challenge. So I think having 403 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: a strong support system of people who will one validate 404 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: what your experience is because it really is overwhelming to 405 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: stick to a five year plan. And two also just 406 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: be able to help guide you in whatever way you 407 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: need guidance. But then also I think I'm a big 408 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: proponent of writing things down. Oftentimes when we're thinking of 409 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: our five year plan, it's all staying up inside of 410 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: our minds mentally, and brain dumping is such a powerful 411 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: powerful tool that like you really can just whether you 412 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: get a huge piece of paper and literally map out 413 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: your plan, or you journal about it, or you write 414 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: it down. What that's doing is it's taking all of 415 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: the anxious thoughts or all of the thoughts that we're 416 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: having from our minds and putting them out onto pen 417 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: and paper. Doesn't feel like we're holding onto them and 418 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: they're only staying inside. It gives its level of reality 419 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: to them. And what that does is it helps us reflect. 420 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: It helps us really look to see, like measure our progress. 421 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: How far are we, how far have we come, what 422 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: do we still have to do? How attainable is that? 423 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: How realistic is it? And what is the timeline for that. 424 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: If you think of smart goals, they're short, measurable, achievable, 425 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: realistic and timely and They're incredibly important when you have 426 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: a five year plan, breaking that down into increments and 427 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: making sure that you're celebrating those small victories along the way, 428 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: recognizing your trials, because five years is a really long 429 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: time and it's really easy to get to get caught 430 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: up into like, oh my god, I'm only one year in, 431 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: I have four more to go. Like, you know, if 432 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: you look at it through a broad lens like that, 433 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: it's going to be debilitating at times. It's going to 434 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: create a lot of anxiety. So trying to narrow your 435 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: lens down to maybe six months, you know, even though 436 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: that six months is a part of a bigger plan, 437 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: having your focus just be on a shorter period of 438 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: time can also be really helpful. 439 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 2: Right, So two things a double click on here. The 440 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 2: first thing being the power of brain dumping. I love 441 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: this term. I think it's great. So getting everything out 442 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: from inside your head, whether their anxious thoughts or not 443 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 2: having the opportunity to then see it in front of 444 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: you allows you to look at it in a different lens. 445 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: And then the second thing here is really the benefit 446 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,479 Speaker 2: of creating smaller plans within your big plan, right, because 447 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 2: when you have smaller measurable plans. We love a smart 448 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 2: acronym here unhurdle that that allows you to celebrate the 449 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 2: wins as they come, because if you're only celebrating a 450 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 2: win every five years, no wonder, it's going to feel tiring. 451 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 2: On that note, when someone gets tired on their journey 452 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 2: when it comes to making their five year plan, do 453 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 2: you have any advice to offer them? Because it's not 454 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: necessarily I would say that this person is unsure that 455 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: this is something that they still want, but it's more 456 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 2: so that, like again, we just get worn down. 457 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 3: Burnout is more prevalent than ever. You don't need me 458 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 3: to tell you that. So what's a person to do? 459 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my first instinct is to tell them 460 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: to listen to their body, because if your body is 461 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: feeling tired and you're having either physical or mental symptoms 462 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: of burnout, then that's a good indicator that you need 463 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: to rest and you need to recharge, and you need 464 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: to maybe just take a break and step away from 465 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: that plan or building that plan to really just cater 466 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: to what your needs are in that moment. And that's 467 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: totally fine to do. Resting is productive, and resting and 468 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: recharging is something that will help us continue on that 469 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: journey of the five year plan, and I think it's 470 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: a really crucial piece of a five year plan is 471 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: to also allow time for self care, recharging, resting vacations. 472 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: And if that's all you can think about, then you're 473 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: not really going to feel motivated, You're going to potentially 474 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: lose confidence, You're going to maybe deal with some impot syndrome. 475 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: There's a lot of negative mental health components that can 476 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: come from pushing yourself too hard when you're burnt out, 477 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,239 Speaker 1: and you know, research shows that if you try to 478 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: just push through or have that push through mentality, that 479 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: it actually takes you back quite a few steps, because 480 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: not only are you physically tired, you're mentally tired, and 481 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: then you just become checked out and disinterested in what 482 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: you are trying to achieve. So my advice on that 483 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: would just be to find something that you just genuinely love. 484 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: If you want to binge watch all of Sex in 485 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: the City again, then do it. You know, whatever it 486 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: is to just let yourself chill for a second. 487 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I definitely binge watched Sex and the 488 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 2: City the OC and like trying to think about everything else. 489 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: I watched during the pandemic when I was like, what 490 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: am I doing? What am I doing? 491 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: And also you know what I can like in this too. 492 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: It's like the same dichotomy to taking rest days, even 493 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 2: though sometimes they feel counterintuitive right from your traditional workout plan, 494 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 2: It's like the rest day. The day off enables you 495 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 2: to go after your big goals, regardless of what they 496 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: might be, because it allows your body the time to 497 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 2: repair itself so that you can show up once again. 498 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 2: So the same thing goes for your mental health. And 499 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 2: to combat this idea that rest can be seen as 500 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: lazy or taking time off means that you don't actually 501 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: want the thing that you say that you want. 502 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: That's bs rest is an investment, a healthy investment into 503 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: that plan. 504 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 3: It's crucial, crucial. 505 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: Is there anything we have in cover when it comes 506 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 2: to smart strategies for setting yourself up for a five 507 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: year plan? Is there anything else that we can be 508 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 2: doing to take care of ourselves during this process so 509 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 2: that we can actually get the thing that we're after. 510 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: One thing I actually was just talking to a client 511 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: about recently was staying open minded in the process, trying 512 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: to find that balance between like staying on track to 513 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: what your goal is, but also not turning down opportunities 514 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: that might not align with that five year plan, because 515 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: you know those opportunities might be just what you need 516 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: to reevaluate that plan or to have an epiphany experience 517 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: where you're just kind of like, actually, I really want 518 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: to go in this direction. And sometimes we get too 519 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: hyper focused on our five year plans and they become 520 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: too rigid. And my biggest thing is finding the balance 521 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: between being open staying on track because you never know 522 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: what's going to come your way, and if you're staying 523 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: too rigid and you turn something down, you might miss 524 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: out on something that can change that trajectory for the better. 525 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: Be open to the universe. I love it, Liz. This 526 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: was really helpful. I think that there are a lot 527 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: of motivated people that are listening to this episode right now, 528 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: and I'm sure they'd love to follow along with you 529 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: for more motivation going forward. 530 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 3: So how do the hurdlers keep up with you? How 531 00:28:59,080 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 3: do they follow along with you? 532 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: What? 533 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: Give us your details? 534 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely so, I have two Instagram accounts that I am on. 535 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: My private practice is mental SESSH M E N T 536 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: L DOT s E s H and that's where you'll 537 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: find all of the mental health content I put out 538 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: into the world. And then my personal Instagram is literally 539 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: just me as a human being. You don't see too 540 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: much mental health content on there because, aside from being 541 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: a therapist, I love fashion, I love sports, and that's 542 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: what you're gonna get on that account. So that's Liz 543 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: l a Z The Letter B and then Croft. 544 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 2: C R O F T Beautiful, I'm over at Emilia 545 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 2: Body and at Hurdle Podcast Another Hurdle Conquered. 546 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.