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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory Am Chandler Room,

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Speaker 2: joined by Josh Reddick and Tyler Stafford. After the first

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Speaker 2: day of playoff baseball, some Thing's never changed, Alex Bregman

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Speaker 2: had to clutch clutch double to drive in a run

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Speaker 2: for the Boston Red Sox. Some Thing's never changed with

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Speaker 2: Alex Bregman in his one hundredth postseason game. He was

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Speaker 2: not playing for the Astros because the Astros not in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs for the first time in eight years. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about what happened on Tuesday when

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Speaker 2: Dana Brown and Joe Espada got a top the dais

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Speaker 2: at Dyke and Park and it's very awkward twenty seven

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Speaker 2: minutes and we'll kind of explain why it was.

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Speaker 1: Awkward a little bit later. But Josh, we have not

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Speaker 1: had you on.

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Speaker 2: Since the Astros were eliminated from postseason contention this past weekend.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say we kind of thought it

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Speaker 2: was going to end up that way, but the way

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Speaker 2: it was trending in September, the injuries that they had,

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Speaker 2: and just the way they were playing, you kind of

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Speaker 2: got the feeling that even if they got in, it

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Speaker 2: wasn't going to be a quick stage. Just kind of

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Speaker 2: your overall thoughts on the twenty twenty five astros and

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Speaker 2: the finality of them not playing in October for the

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Speaker 2: first time in eight years.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's obviously devastating what they've gone through, but

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Speaker 3: you know, this is a fantastic run. I think we

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Speaker 3: should always, you know, start with that. The fantastic run

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Speaker 4: It's hard not to lean on injuries.

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Speaker 3: When you have so many guys go to the DL

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Speaker 3: and just everything happens left and right.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, you never want to use injuries as that crutch to.

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Speaker 3: Lean on, but at some point you got to be like, look, guys,

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Speaker 3: like when you break down what everybody did and when

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Speaker 3: everybody went through with the injuries from all your main guys, like,

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Speaker 3: it's hard not to. It's hard not to look at

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Speaker 3: these things and go, you know what, if we had

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Speaker 4: List goes on and on and on.

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Speaker 3: The Seattle managers probably an't even the conversation for a

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Speaker 3: division title I mean, that's just the way it looks

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Speaker 4: You know, they're a great team.

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Speaker 3: They got hot at the perfect time and they're doing fantastic,

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Speaker 3: But in reality, I just don't think they had enough

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Speaker 3: I love what Carlos Kreia said after the season was over.

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Speaker 4: Like, look, this team needs to run it back.

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Speaker 3: Because as good as they are when they are healthy,

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Speaker 3: they get some pitching back and you know, they need

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Speaker 3: to make one move for a starner obviously to make

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Speaker 4: But this team has got all the room next year

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Speaker 4: to come back stronger than ever be the team to

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Speaker 3: But yeah, when you look back at it, injuries and

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Speaker 3: timing of injuries and everything like, it just sucked. And

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Speaker 3: I'm you know, I will say that my prediction was

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Speaker 4: And five and the strow Is going a six and four,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean those guys got hot and did

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Speaker 3: a great job. But when you look at everything like injuries, injuries.

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Speaker 5: Have to be the main focal point because they did

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Speaker 3: Late for them to kind of focus and get to

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Speaker 4: Can look at games from April, you can look at

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Speaker 3: Obviously September is going to be more magnified because that's

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Speaker 4: Can look it back at all kinds of things.

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Speaker 3: You look at the sweep by the Oakland A's at home,

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Speaker 4: Things big way things struggled. So but I'm looking at

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Speaker 6: Point is at the end of the day. Preseason odds

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Speaker 6: for the Astros had their over underwin total at eighty

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Speaker 6: wasn't enough to make the playoffs this year, but it

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Speaker 6: of years, including this year. In the National League, the

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Speaker 6: Reds made the playoffs with eighty three wins. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's not like the Astros cratered and you know, just disappeared.

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Speaker 1: And you're right.

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Speaker 6: We talked about it in the last episode, Josh. But

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Speaker 6: you never want to use injuries as an excuse. But

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Speaker 6: when you missed the playoffs by one game, and you

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Speaker 6: missed one hundred and ten games of Jordon, you can

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Speaker 6: And so yeah, it's it is what it is. They

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Speaker 6: right that they are, you know, right there in the conversation.

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Speaker 6: We talked a little bit last time that if you

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Speaker 6: a little scarier for the Astros and the aging core

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Speaker 6: I think you're right. I think it's it's both of

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Speaker 6: you mentioned getting pitching. I don't know if there's any

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Speaker 1: But I wonder if they have the.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't, do you think they just have his

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Speaker 3: Big As close as he and Jim Crane are, Jim

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Speaker 3: Crane probably has a whole locker at his or JV.

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Speaker 6: I hope he gives them the like a you know,

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Speaker 6: the contract, but also you know, roy Oswald got like

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Speaker 6: the tractor or whatever. Like I hope JV gets some

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Speaker 6: weird gift for for coming back to the Astros.

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Speaker 4: In that regard.

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Speaker 3: But there would gar JV could find something. I bet

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Speaker 3: maybe I don't know. That would be kind of eccentric

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Speaker 3: to see what JV could finagled into a contract like that.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna joke had a great last two months

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Speaker 6: Would have been real nice. Uh you know. I I

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Speaker 6: was gonna joke and say, like a racehorse, but I

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Speaker 6: they can team up and or maybe maybe that'll be

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Speaker 6: the incentive, like I'm gonna get you a better race

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Speaker 2: Bregman and a lot of guys have racehorses together. There

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Speaker 2: like twenty twenty twenty twenty one that like co owned

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Speaker 6: But is it because they were neighbors?

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Speaker 4: I hate, I hate the someone that were neighbors were greatly.

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Speaker 3: In Springer when we played together, and I know Springer

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, like what do you get someone that

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Speaker 2: kind of like what do you get someone that has everything?

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Speaker 2: Because I am, does he need another car? Like he's

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Speaker 2: got like fifteen, He's got like fifteen of them.

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Speaker 4: There's no there's nothing that you can get.

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Speaker 3: I mean a trinket, a little trinket from a gift

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Speaker 6: But that would I mean a chance to win a

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Speaker 2: He's, uh, yeah, he I don't think he needs much incentive.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he needs material goods. I don't think

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Speaker 2: he'll he'll take them all. He'll take them all to him.

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Speaker 2: But as far as who may be offering Justin Verlander

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Speaker 2: or any free agent or any trade candidate or anybody

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Speaker 2: this offseason, we mentioned that Tuesday was pretty awkward. Essentially,

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Speaker 2: the Astros held what is become standard operating procedure. They

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Speaker 2: where you know, neither Joe Aspota nor Dana Brown really

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Speaker 2: bit more than Dana Brown, only because Joe A. Spotta

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Speaker 2: is under contract for the twenty twenty six season. Now

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Speaker 2: that that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to manage the team.

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Speaker 2: Dana Brown's been given multiple opportunities to just say will

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Speaker 2: Brown's decision. Dana Brown, according to USA Today, is Bob Nightingale,

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Speaker 2: who I like Bob a lot.

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Speaker 1: He's a great dude to hang out with.

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Speaker 2: He's a veteran, respected, respected reporter in the game.

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Speaker 2: If you read anything about the Astros from Bob Nightingale,

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Speaker 2: reported on Sunday that Dana Brown has a club option

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Speaker 2: He reported that club option has not been exercised yet. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 2: Dana Brown got on the podium on Tuesday. I asked

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Speaker 2: did not. He said, I don't want to talk about

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Speaker 2: an yes, was not a word that was uttered in

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Speaker 2: that answer. Suffice to say, there there is still some

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Speaker 2: very much uncertainty within the front office, within the organization.

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Speaker 2: It is being talked about in baseball circles by people

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Speaker 2: like everyone is wondering what is going on, And to

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Speaker 2: be candid, I don't know, And I think if anyone

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Speaker 2: because you're asking two people about things that they may

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Speaker 1: Same thing with Joe Aspota. So I didn't take.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Joe, because Tyler and I talked about

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Speaker 4: No, I completely agree.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think this is a Joe's spot of

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Speaker 6: So I think Joe, I think ball year, I think famously,

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Speaker 3: So no, I think Joe did a fantastic job. I

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Speaker 4: You know, I could see that clubhouse being running very well.

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Speaker 3: You know, This isn't a guy who's gonna have team

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I think he did.

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Speaker 2: both of you guys. Could could there be some validity

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Speaker 6: He got that dog in him. He just got to

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Speaker 6: It's funny, Chandler that you keep saying like it's not

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Speaker 6: That thought hadn't even crossed my mind that it would

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, I.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what they did with those guys before and

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Speaker 3: We talked about Joe. I mean, I don't know Dana

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys have talked about it many times,

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Speaker 3: but hitting with runners in scoring position has to be

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Speaker 3: something that has to be focused on. And whether that

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Speaker 3: takes a change in Sniff and Centron being moved on,

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, because, like you said, Chane, these

444
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Speaker 3: guys have been there for so long.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's stale.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, these guys have learned the breed

447
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Speaker 3: success because of that being around for so long, they

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Speaker 3: know what it takes to win. But when I look

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Speaker 3: at hitting, I think the runners in scoring position and

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Speaker 3: the chase rate, Like the chase rate was so awful

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Speaker 3: this year, there has to be some kind of change

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Speaker 3: to approach with runners.

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Speaker 4: And scoring position, thout, runers of scorn position, swinging out

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Speaker 4: of the dollar.

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Speaker 3: But they were the second second worst at chase right

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Speaker 3: you said it, behind the Rockies, I think was the number.

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Speaker 4: So I think when you look at that, that has

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Speaker 4: to change too.

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Speaker 3: Because you can get an average risk obviously going to

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Speaker 3: win a lot more games playing a little more small ball. Maybe,

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Speaker 3: you know, I would have loved to see them try

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Speaker 3: that later on the season, you know, when.

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Speaker 4: They weren't hitting, like but a guy over, for Christ's sake, like.

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Speaker 3: Bunny him over, get a sackfly, get you the run in,

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Speaker 3: do what you have to do, because as we all know,

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Speaker 3: runs we're at a premium for this ball club for

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Speaker 3: a long time.

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Speaker 4: And you know, that was one thing out probably would

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Speaker 4: have changed.

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Speaker 3: But staff changes, I'm not sure that's that's the right answer,

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Speaker 3: but you know, it could be a change of scenery

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Speaker 3: being something that could benefit. I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 3: know how those guys vibe with them, but I always

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Speaker 3: thought Smint sent Tron did a fantastic job I've defended

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Speaker 3: them since I've been on this podcast, and I think

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Speaker 3: for somebody that had to got to work with those guys,

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Speaker 3: I know what those guys can do and what they're

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Speaker 3: what they're capable of doing for a lineup.

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Speaker 2: And so, Josh, you brought something up, you know about

505
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Speaker 2: the chase rate and them swinging out the strike zone

506
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Speaker 2: too much, of them swinging too much. I think the

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Speaker 2: existential question that Dana Brown or whomever is in charge

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Speaker 2: of this thing by the end of it, has to

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Speaker 2: ask themselves, is you know when you look at when

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Speaker 2: you look at the roster. And I'll read it verbatim

511
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Speaker 2: from a from a story I wrote, you know, after

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Speaker 2: they they after they got eliminated. Yr Diaz, Christian Walker,

513
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Speaker 2: Cam Smith, Mauricio Dubon, Jeremy Panna, and Jose Altuve all

514
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Speaker 2: had top fifty swing rates in Major League Baseball last year.

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Speaker 2: That means they were in the top fifty percent of

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Speaker 2: the top fifty numbers of swing rates. Diez Dubon, Altuve

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Speaker 2: and Payna all Chase at a thirty five point three percent.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: My my question has long been is this a personnel problem?

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Speaker 2: Because like, look, you can get whatever hitting coaches you

521
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Speaker 2: want in here, Like Jose al Tuove is not going

522
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Speaker 2: to start taking until he gets two strikes. Same thing

523
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Speaker 2: with Yaner Diaz, same thing with a lot of these

524
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Speaker 2: guys that have been successful doing it this way. So

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Speaker 2: is it a personnel problem to where they may just

526
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Speaker 2: have to make some tough and I'm not saying they're

527
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Speaker 2: gonna do anything with Jose al Tuove, but like make

528
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Speaker 2: some decisions with guys that have the same offensive profile,

529
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Speaker 2: they do the same tendencies offensively, and maybe remake the

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Speaker 2: roster with more different offensive profiles than just saying it's

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Speaker 2: a philosophy problem, because I think you can get whatever

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Speaker 2: you can get the greatest hitting coach in the world

533
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Speaker 2: in here, and like, some of these guys are just

534
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Speaker 2: going to be the way they are, that's just how

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Speaker 2: they play the game. Where do you fall on Is

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Speaker 2: it a personnel problem or a philosophy problem.

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Speaker 4: No, it's personnel.

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Speaker 3: I mean Troy Snicker, Troy Snicker isn't going to the

539
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Speaker 3: battery box, making that decision for them to swing out

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Speaker 3: of the box. So I think you just got to

541
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Speaker 3: be smart. You pick your spots of where you want

542
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Speaker 3: to be aggressive. Like when you're hot, you know you

543
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Speaker 3: can pretty much hit anything you want to. When you're struggling,

544
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Speaker 3: like that might be the time where you take a

545
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Speaker 3: step back and I, look, I want to take till

546
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Speaker 3: I get a strike here. Maybe realize the situation in

547
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Speaker 3: the game, like you know, this is this is a

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Speaker 3: team that's I've noticed had been not very good. If

549
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Speaker 3: your pitcher has a long inning, working the long inning

550
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Speaker 3: to give that guy a breather. Obviously, how two V

551
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Speaker 3: is never going to do that, But that's something that

552
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Speaker 3: something that people around him have to understand and figure

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Speaker 3: that out. You know, I hit in front of all

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Speaker 3: two A and behind Springer, so I took a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Pitches for those guys, And that's just one thing you

556
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Speaker 4: got to learn. You got to make that adjustment and

557
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Speaker 4: figure that out.

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Speaker 3: Because once you're going good, you're not thinking about taking

559
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Speaker 3: a pitchure You're just going up there looking hit the ball,

560
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Speaker 3: and you usually are.

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Speaker 4: And when you're.

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Speaker 3: Struggling, that's when these things kind of you know, decide

563
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Speaker 3: when you're going to swing the bat, like, I gotta

564
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Speaker 3: get the head, I gotta get this first pitch fastball,

565
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Speaker 3: and then there's a slider in the dirt. You've already

566
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Speaker 3: swung because you've made that choice to swing. So it's

567
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Speaker 3: all about where you stand on the thought process going

568
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Speaker 3: into that batter's box with the right plan. If you

569
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Speaker 3: want to swing early, make sure the situation's right. Our

570
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Speaker 3: guy just had a ten pitch inning perfect I'm believing

571
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Speaker 3: not the inning.

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Speaker 4: I can cut that.

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Speaker 3: First pitch fastball, but you gotta be able to recognize

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Speaker 3: it as well, Like you got to understand if this

575
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Speaker 3: guy's not gonna give me that strike, I gotta be

576
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Speaker 3: able to take that into.

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Speaker 4: Account and make that adjustment.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's all about making that adjustment because,

579
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Speaker 3: like you said, you can have the best handing.

580
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Speaker 4: Coach on the planet. You can have Kingdricky Junior and your.

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Speaker 3: Dugout telling you what to do, and if you don't

582
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Speaker 3: go out there and execute it, then that's not on him,

583
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 3: you know, that's on you.

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Speaker 4: You're the one swinging the bat, not the guy in

585
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Speaker 4: the in the dugout.

586
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Speaker 3: So you got to figure out a way to figure

587
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: it out yourself and just make that adjustment. And when

588
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: you get guys who are interested in score position, like

589
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: they're not just gonna throw your meatballs.

590
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 4: Up there to go ahead and whack it away. Like

591
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: you gotta understand, you got to pick a pitch, pick

592
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Speaker 4: a spot, do both, pick both, Like figure it out

593
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Speaker 4: and pick a spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I'm more in the camp of like.

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Speaker 2: If fans are expecting like an entire lineup that is

596
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Speaker 2: filled with swingers and guys that have a propensity to

597
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Speaker 2: chase out.

598
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Speaker 1: Of the strike zone.

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Speaker 2: Like if you think getting rid of two hitting coaches

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Speaker 2: and bring another one in is just automatically going to

601
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Speaker 2: change that, Like that's not that's not rooted in reality.

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Speaker 2: Like could there be different messaging, Sure, I mean maybe

603
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: that could help, But like I don't think Yaner Diaz

604
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: is going to start not chasing outside the strike zone

605
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Speaker 2: just because a new hitting coach is here. Same thing

606
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: with Jeremy Pania, who has made shrides but but still

607
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: does chase a good bit, but has found a way

608
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Speaker 2: to He's gotten his on base percentage up his you know,

609
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Speaker 2: he's walked a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Things like that. But like when you.

611
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Speaker 2: Have a team that has so many of the same

612
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Speaker 2: sort of offensive profiles, Like, you're not going to have

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Speaker 2: just an overhaul up and down the lineup through like

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Speaker 2: just because a new hitting coach comes in. So I think, certainly,

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Speaker 2: like it would appease a lot of fans that are

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Speaker 2: pissed off to you know, throw the hitting coaches to

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Speaker 2: the to the wolves as a.

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Speaker 1: Scapegoat and look, that may happen.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but like, I just I would temper

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Speaker 2: like expectations for like, if it does happen and new

621
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Speaker 2: coaches come in, Like, I don't think it's the panacea

622
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Speaker 2: that everyone thinks it will be. Like I'm just I'm

623
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Speaker 2: unsure that that's going to that's going to happen.

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Speaker 6: Uh yeah, I mean to that end. If you're wondering

625
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Speaker 6: why the lineup looked like that this year in comparison

626
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Speaker 6: to last year, even though you had the same hitting coaches,

627
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Speaker 6: it is because last year you had at bats being

628
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Speaker 6: taken by Alex Bregman and Cal Tucker, and you didn't

629
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Speaker 6: this year, and you were.

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Speaker 4: Done the two guys that weren't counts.

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Speaker 6: The most, were you correct? But I mean, and we

632
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Speaker 6: saw what a difference having Esoch in the lineup. It

633
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 6: just felt for the whole lineup that everybody can take

634
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 6: a breath because this guy's going to take seven pitches

635
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Speaker 6: and in a bat and put together in a bat there.

636
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 6: And that's not a hitting coach issue. That's you had

637
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Speaker 6: one guy who you could count on to be patient,

638
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Speaker 6: and you might need two or three of them in

639
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Speaker 6: a lineup, and that's a personnel decision, not a hitting

640
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Speaker 6: coach one, because again the job of a hitting coach

641
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Speaker 6: is to get the most out of that individual player,

642
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Speaker 6: and what makes them successful. Well, makes Josel two be

643
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Speaker 6: successful is he can put a bat on any ball

644
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Speaker 6: anywhere remotely near the plate, and he likes to swing.

645
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Speaker 6: What makes Yiner successful sometimes, you know, is that he

646
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Speaker 6: swings hard and he hits line drives, and you know

647
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Speaker 6: he's going to swing in everything. And we've seen when

648
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Speaker 6: it looks good, it looks great, and when it doesn't,

649
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Speaker 6: it looks real rough. But that's what makes those guys

650
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Speaker 6: big leaguers, Like, that's how they got here. They're not

651
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Speaker 6: going to be thirty years old in you know Yiner's

652
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Speaker 6: case or what you know, like you're you're not gonna

653
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Speaker 6: get to this point and they go like, ah, I

654
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Speaker 6: guess I'll just stop doing what got me here and

655
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Speaker 6: try this other, completely different approach. Now, a hitting coach

656
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Speaker 6: might say like, hey, you're really successful on pitches inside,

657
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Speaker 6: so you can turn on them, So maybe let's try

658
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Speaker 6: just splitting the plate in half, and even if you

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean again, I it's a it's a

666
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 6: personnel issue, and that's why it's been so interesting to me.

667
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 6: And I would never want to talk about anybody's job

668
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 6: or any anything in that sense, but it is interesting

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Speaker 6: to me that the conversation has been a lot more

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Speaker 6: because not only I mean even if you look at

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Speaker 6: if the team had been healthy the whole year, you

673
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,640
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674
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675
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,560
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676
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 6: more of the same. And so you know again like

677
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 6: some days it works. Some days the Asters score fifteen

678
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,400
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00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,640
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Speaker 6: But you know, that's what the team was, like. I

681
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 6: don't think that's a I don't think that has anything

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Speaker 2: Oh, Tyler, There's now been some discussion about the team

684
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, as we talked about, Dana Brown has a

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Speaker 2: club option for his contract for the twenty twenty sixth season.

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00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: No one has said whether it has been exercised. Like

710
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 2: I said, Dana was given a couple of opportunities yesterday

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00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 2: to say it had been exercised. He chose not to,

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00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: but did say that he is the Astors general manager,

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Speaker 2: which I guess is technically true.

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Speaker 1: He still is.

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Speaker 2: It's not wrong, you know, like much of like we

716
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: talked about Joe, Like, you know, I don't think this

717
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 2: season was like malpractice general managership. Were there things that

718
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: raise my eyebrow? Were there things that you know, I

719
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily agree with on the surface, Sure, but I

720
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: mean they finished one win short of making the playoffs.

721
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: Obviously we've talked at NOGAM. Dana's trade deadline did not

722
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 2: age well. Some of that is orn out of organizational need.

723
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: Their farm system is not great. He needed to go

724
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: do some stuff and that puts a lot of pressure

725
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: on you and nail the trades, and he didn't do that.

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00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 2: But I guess, Josh, as you look at the body

727
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: of work Dana Brown has put together the past three years,

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Speaker 2: do you think it's a it's a slam dunk to

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00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: exercise that club option, and kind of where do you

730
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Speaker 2: think he stands maybe in the future of this organization.

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Speaker 4: I mean, from the looks that it, it doesn't seem

732
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: to be a slam dunk right now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if we're not addressing a yes or no

734
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 3: or I guess more of a yes. Dana know, at

735
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: this point there seems to be some on the fence

736
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: decisions made here in the next couple of days, I

737
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: think we might be waiting for So it's definitely not

738
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: something that's guaranteed. And you know, the moves that were made,

739
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: you know, obviously didn't work out.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Hazo Sanchez wasn't.

741
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: Anywhere what we wanted him or expect him to be.

742
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: Obviously not trading for a starting pitcher. Bit everybody in

743
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: the rear end with you know guy, you know, with

744
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: Garcia going down, and you know, not every not every

745
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: not having everybody you needed back to come back and contribute,

746
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: not getting your done back the whole time obviously hurt.

747
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: You know, they were just waiting on pieces to come

748
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 3: back to fall in that didn't really work out for them.

749
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 4: So I think it's more fifty to fifty right.

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Speaker 3: Now because like I said earlier, I don't think Dana

751
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: has done anything really negatively to to really you know,

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00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: I think he's done a great job, if not.

753
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 4: A good job, what he's done so far.

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00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just think we might be scrolling social

755
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: media waiting for maybe an ex or whatever you want.

756
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 4: To call it, a tweet from your from you Chandler,

757
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 4: so we can.

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Speaker 3: See what's going on, but nothing, nothing seems to be

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00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: guaranteed at this point for either him or Joe.

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Speaker 4: And you know, that could be all we know right now.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, there could be more moves made internally,

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Speaker 3: but you know, if there's anything we're saying, I think Joe.

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Speaker 4: Might be the only one who's in the safe position.

764
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 4: And it doesn't even seem like that's the case right now,

765
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Speaker 4: but I think, if anything, Joe definitely is one of

766
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 4: the guys that should stay, and if Danny is the

767
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: guy that needs.

768
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: To go, then they need to do something quick because

769
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 3: you know, we see a lot of manager moves already.

770
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 4: I think eight or nine guys are already out.

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00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: We saw Brian Snickers out in Atlanta. Now, I think

772
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: the sand Friend job is pretty wrapped up. I think

773
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Speaker 3: Bochie goes over there with with the Bob Melvin getting

774
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Speaker 3: let go. But you know, if they do, they need

775
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 3: to do it quick and find a solution to make

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00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 3: something happen, because you can't go into an off season

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00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: without a GM. You gotta have somebody running the range,

778
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: whether Jim's running the show or not, you got to

779
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Speaker 3: have somebody there to help mediate the conversations.

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Speaker 6: What are you talking about the last time the Astros

781
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 6: did an off season without a GM, every contract worked

782
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 6: out perfectly.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't that hoo can I'm gonna shut up.

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Speaker 1: That's what they need to avoid.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of quick, Josh, and you got to get out

786
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Speaker 2: of here. Happy birthday to Maverick and Rider coming up

787
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 2: very soon. I know you guys got to go set

788
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 2: up for a big hot Wheels themed party from Maverick

789
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Speaker 2: and Riders. So happy sixth birthday to the.

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00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 6: Doing tricks out there on them is gonnae no.

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Speaker 4: He he, You know I was telling channels he just became.

792
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 4: He just finished third in his biggest race of the year.

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Speaker 3: He's the third fastest kid Carter which is five to

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00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 3: eight years old in North America, so then.

795
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 4: Includes in Canada and is the.

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Speaker 3: Youngest who ever finished in the top three in the

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Speaker 3: racist history.

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Speaker 4: So my man's going place here. Yeah, hopefully f one

799
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 4: here we come. But he's doing fantastic And I can't

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Speaker 4: believe that I almost have six year olds.

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Speaker 6: Where where can we see videos that I want to

802
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 6: see him? I want to see him.

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00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: Actually, it's well, he's on YouTube. Its streamed on YouTube.

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00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 4: You do have to pay for it. It's nine. I

805
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: wouldn't suggest you guys to do that.

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00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 6: But well, text has some videos.

807
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: I want to see him screen recording, send you some

808
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 3: videos of thank you absolutely.

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00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: All right, we'll let We'll let Josh go get ready

810
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 2: for the sixth birthday party.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it.

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00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: We'll be back at some point next week. Well, I'm

813
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 2: sure we'll have some more clarity on all this, so we'll.

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00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: Get you back next week. We'll talk. But we appreciate

815
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: you stopping by.

816
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 4: Take care of body, see you all right?

817
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: So, Tyler, what do you think like we we didn't

818
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: really talk about Dana much in the last time we

819
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: talked it. Everything is pointing to something happening here and

820
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but everyone's in the dark.

821
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: It's pretty clear that this team has some pretty consequential

822
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: decisions to make in the next not even in the

823
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: next two or three months, but maybe in the next,

824
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 2: you know, eight to sixteen months. And I wonder if

825
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: that is what's being thought of here, as you know,

826
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: is Dana Brown the guy you want making those decisions.

827
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to put myself in Jim Crane's head,

828
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: which is probably a bad place to be, but I'm

829
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: trying to figure out, like what is driving this uncertainty

830
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: other than we didn't make the playoffs.

831
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: And Heads need to roll.

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00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's fair. You know, I don't think

833
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 6: there's anything to pressing. Like you said, it wasn't a

834
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 6: you know again, if they've won seventy games this year,

835
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 6: then yeah, Heads after roll or whatever. But you know,

836
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 6: they they also consciously made a decision this year to

837
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 6: make their team worse by not keeping Kyle Tucker, wanting

838
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 6: to rebuild, and for all the things that we've talked

839
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 6: about with the aground of things not working, I think

840
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 6: you can pretty unequivocally say getting back eastoc Parates and

841
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 6: a couple of years of team control for him, and

842
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 6: getting Cam Smith, who was despite not finishing the season well,

843
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 6: was able to be a major league player at twenty

844
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 6: two and still has five more years of team control

845
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 6: like that is a success. And it was a choice

846
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 6: that was made and obviously approved by Jim Crane to

847
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 6: not go all in on this season and to try

848
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 6: to extend the window. And also a lot of the

849
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 6: reason that Dana Brown, you know, was hired here was

850
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 6: for the draft and for identifying players there. And you

851
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 6: just don't have a good enough sense yet of that success.

852
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 6: And so if if Jim Crane made the decision to

853
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 6: hire him with the thought of I need somebody who's

854
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 6: really good at the draft. And you know, also I

855
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 6: told him go ahead and trade Tucker so that we

856
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 6: can extend this window. Like, yeah, this is not the

857
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 6: time to make a change because you're still in the

858
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 6: middle of evaluating, like why he's here in the first place.

859
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: Let's also not forget that, you know, when Dana got here,

860
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: all the talk was all the Braves signed all these

861
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: pre r guys to extensions. The Braves signed all these

862
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: zero to three or three to six.

863
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: Guys to extensions.

864
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: And like the thought, I guess more of the public

865
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: thought was like, oh, Dana did this in Atlanta, now

866
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: he's going to do it in Houston. Well, Alex Anthopolis

867
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: did that in Atlanta, like Dana was the Dano did

868
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: a lot with the draft. He was on the amateur

869
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: scouting side, he was a vice president of scouting. He

870
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: was there, and I'm sure Alex, you know, sawt his

871
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: opinion on guys because he is a scout first and foremost,

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00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: he is a player evaluation guy. That hey, I'm sure

873
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: Alex sawt his opinion on Hey, is this a guy

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00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: we should commit to?

875
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: Things like that?

876
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: But it was more of he was kind of a

877
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: sounding board. He didn't do it, so you know, he

878
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: got here and you know, first couple of press conferences,

879
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: it was all, we're extending everyone. We're extending everyone. And

880
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: when you look at it, they've done two extensions and

881
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: Dana Brown's tenure one of them was very much not

882
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: a Dana Brown thing like extending jose Al Tuvey was

883
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: a jose Al Tuve thing like that was jose L

884
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: Tuvey went to the higher ups and said let's get this.

885
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: Done, and it got done.

886
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: Christian Xavier was that was the sort of extension that

887
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: was promised that everyone kind of thought would become the norm.

888
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: Five years, sixty four million dollars. I think it was

889
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: in his first or second year of ARB, I can't remember,

890
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 2: but anyway, it was the type of player, the type

891
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: of time in his you know, life cycle where the

892
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: braves would strike and you know, Christian Javier, it happens.

893
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: Pitchers breakdown. Pitchers are built to break down. He had

894
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 2: to have Tommy John surgery a year after signing it.

895
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: It's a big year ahead for him. He's gonna make

896
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: twenty one million dollars next year. He probably needs to

897
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: pitch like someone that's worth that much money. But otherwise

898
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: you know they've they've failed to extend Hunter Brown before

899
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 2: he became Hunter Brown. And believe me when I tell

900
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: you Hunter Brown wanted an extension very badly. Like there

901
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: was a lot of overtures to try to get that done.

902
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: It did not happen for whatever reason. You know, you

903
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: start to look at they were down the road with

904
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: Jeremy Pania and couldn't get it done before he you know,

905
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: he switched representation to Scott Boris. You start to look

906
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: at just other guys that you could think would be

907
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: in this boat of extension candidates, and it either didn't

908
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: get done or they don't have a ton of guys

909
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: that you would think, oh man, we have to extend them,

910
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: like they have to be that.

911
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: And then you also wonder, like how much freedom did

912
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: he have to do this?

913
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: Like Jim crane Is, as we've talked about, spends money.

914
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: It's not a case of he's frugal, but he's also

915
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: very averse to contracts that start with a seven or

916
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: eight in terms of years. And I'm not saying a

917
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: lot of these extensions would have been huge money deals,

918
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: especially if it were seven or eight year deals for

919
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: guys that didn't have a ton of service time. But

920
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: you do wonder how much Jim Crane hamstrung is probably

921
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 2: the wrong word, but you wonder how much his philosophy's

922
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: just prevented Dana Brown from doing some stuff that he

923
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: that he wants to do. So there are a lot

924
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: of questions to answer here, and like Josh was alluding to,

925
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: like if they're going to do this, like if they're

926
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: going to clean house, if Joe Spot is not coming back,

927
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 2: if Dana Brown's not coming back, you feel like it

928
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: has to happen within the next I don't know, like

929
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: three to four days, because like how.

930
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: Long are you going to drag this out?

931
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: And then you have to come in late to the

932
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: party when you're trying to hire a manager with you know,

933
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: seven or eight other teams looking for managers and then

934
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: the GM if you are doing a GM search, like

935
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: I don't I'm trying to think how many teams need

936
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: a GM right now? The Rockies guys step down today,

937
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: but like it's not as big of a candidate, it's

938
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: not as big of a demand, But you don't want

939
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: to get caught doing this, like as the World Series

940
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: is over and as free agencies like really starting.

941
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: This is the time, like right now, when the.

942
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: Playoffs are going on, when it's forbidden to talk to

943
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: free agents, it's forbidden to do any moves like this

944
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 2: is the time where you reshape things. And I feel

945
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: like some things have to come to a head pretty soon.

946
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you clean house if your goal is

947
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 6: to overhaul the team. I don't think the Astros just

948
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 6: roster construction makes sense to do that. Like Korea's here

949
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 6: for a couple of years, al Tuovase here for several years.

950
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 6: You got jord On for a few more years. You know,

951
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 6: you the core of your team that you have is

952
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 6: not changing. There are bits and pieces around it that

953
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 6: you can kind of move, but it's it's not like

954
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 6: you've got just a bunch of guys that are aging

955
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 6: out and your thought is, oh well, let's just get

956
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 6: rid of everybody and kind of redo the organization. The

957
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 6: Astros are not in that position yet.

958
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: Jim Crane has made it known they are not rebuilding

959
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: as long as they shouldn't.

960
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: As long as he owns the team. The window is

961
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: always open, has been his say. That's that's code word

962
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: for I'm not rebuilding.

963
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they are not in a position where even

964
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 6: if that was not his philosophy, like, it wouldn't make

965
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 6: sense to do that. The team just won eighty seven

966
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 6: games with the entire team being on the IL for

967
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 6: most of the year. So, you know, you you would

968
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 6: assume if you just fast forwarded, you know, to March

969
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 6: and just ran back essentially the roster that you have,

970
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 6: you know again, you'll you'll make some tweaks. There are

971
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 6: gonna be some people traded. There's gonna be a whole

972
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 6: lot of people non tendered. And what Dana Brown has

973
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 6: been very good at is picking up marginal guys. The

974
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 6: you know, the big signings haven't worked out. You know,

975
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 6: I don't I don't know how much of that is,

976
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 6: you know, Dana Brown versus Jim cran or whatever. It

977
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 6: doesn't doesn't really matter. But the the claims of like

978
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 6: or you know, signing Victor Quarantini was a phenomenal decision.

979
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 6: You know, picking up Brandon Walter was great, Seth Martinez,

980
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 6: Steven Okert, even Caleb Ort like guys like that where

981
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 6: he's found just off the waiver wires in those places

982
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 6: have made very meaningful contributions to the team. And that's

983
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 6: really what the Ashos need next year, is they need

984
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 6: to hit on like four or five marginal guys and

985
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 6: they need the rest of their team to be healthy.

986
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 6: They need, you know, a big Hall of Fame starting pitcher,

987
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 6: which is not a Dana Brown decision, but I you know,

988
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 6: I think that would be very normal if that happened,

989
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 6: you know, and then you get into the weeds of

990
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 6: some other things of you know, you start whispering like, hey,

991
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 6: Brian Bray, Whu's a free agent after next season if

992
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 6: Hater's back and healthy, like, you know, do you want

993
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 6: to keep him? Do you want to try to trade it?

994
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 6: You know, those types of decisions. And you know, if

995
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 6: you look at what he did with Kyle Tucker, he

996
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 6: got back a lot of value. So yeah, I mean,

997
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 6: I think people want to see change, People want to

998
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 6: see something happen after a team doesn't make the playoffs,

999
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 6: but you know, it may just not happen, and that

1000
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 6: that is probably the right decision, honestly.

1001
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I think there's some stuff that Dana can

1002
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: do better. But again, i'd say that about any gym.

1003
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any baseball executive out there.

1004
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: That's perfect. You know.

1005
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: I think Dana has his lane. I think Dana knows

1006
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: what he is very good at. And I've talked to

1007
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: him about this, and he's been very open about this,

1008
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: Like he knows like what he is good at, Like

1009
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: he is good at player evaluation, he's good at you know,

1010
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: scouting things like that. So he leans into that and

1011
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: he lets his front office work and do their jobs

1012
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: in places where he is maybe not an expert, like

1013
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: he will fully acknowledge that, Like there are guys on

1014
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: his there are guys in his front office that know,

1015
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say the rules, but no, just

1016
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: kind of roster rules like date dates, deadlines, like contract

1017
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: you know, language things better than he does. So he

1018
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: lets those guys work and they'll come to him and say, hey,

1019
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: here's what we got here. And he's kind of the

1020
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: final approval kind of guy, Like he is good at

1021
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: delegating work, and he is good at letting people who

1022
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: are experts in their certain fields and there's certain sub

1023
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: sections of.

1024
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: A front office do their thing. You know.

1025
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 2: I think that's commendable. I think you could see someone

1026
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: that would come in and want to have control over

1027
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: everything and be a control freak. I do not get

1028
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 2: the sense that that's Dana Brown at all. Like you know,

1029
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: you talked about Tyler, the fact that they've been able

1030
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: to find all these under the radar guys, these marginal guys,

1031
00:50:58,719 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: the orts, and.

1032
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 6: He's Alexander in the middle of the year this.

1033
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: Year, he was Alexander waiverclaim guys. You know.

1034
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: That starts with a guy named Matt Hogan who has

1035
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: been in the organization for a while. He's one of their,

1036
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: you know, major league personnel guys. He finds the way

1037
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: he's always on the waiver wire, always looking for minor

1038
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: league free agents, guys like that. He is the guy

1039
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: that discovers them. And then he brings it to Dana,

1040
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 2: and Dana watches the video and they collaborate that way,

1041
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: because Matt is kind of more of a modern like

1042
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: analytics based kind of looks at the numbers, pitch shapes

1043
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: things like that. Then he brings a video to Dana

1044
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 2: and Dana can use his scouting eye, use his discerning

1045
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: player evaluation eye to really be the final So it

1046
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: is a collaborative effort, you know, this is and I

1047
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: think that's healthy quite frankly, like I think that's a

1048
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: healthy way to run things, Like you don't want someone

1049
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: that doesn't have as much expertise in an area trying

1050
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: to act like they do. And I think that's commendable

1051
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 2: from Dana that that he's been willing to understand who

1052
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: he is, knows exactly who he is and how he's

1053
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: come up in this sport, and he's been willing to

1054
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 2: spread that around and been willing to run a front

1055
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 2: office accordingly. But again, whether he'll do that in the

1056
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 2: this season into this winter is a real question, and

1057
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm not sure when we're gonna get answers.

1058
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: You know.

1059
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not sitting here town Jim Crane what to do,

1060
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 2: but I would think that they probably need to figure

1061
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: this out pretty soon to avoid I mean, we joke

1062
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: about it, but they have to avoid what happened in

1063
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, Like they cannot go through this offseason

1064
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: because like, let's also face like that twenty twenty two

1065
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: off season like on paper should not have been this seismic.

1066
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: Like you were looking at that and like all right,

1067
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: like they need a first basement, but that was really it,

1068
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: and it was like everybody's basically coming back like like

1069
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: they're in a good spot and that somehow turned into

1070
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: a catastrophe like this offseason.

1071
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: You you, anyone with two.

1072
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: Eyes on a working brain can look at it and say, like,

1073
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 2: this is a pretty consequential offseason, Like they've got some

1074
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 2: pretty seismic decisions to make here, some really direction trajectory

1075
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 2: of the franchise decisions. And you don't want you don't

1076
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: want that to be in the absence of a true

1077
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 2: head of baseball operations.

1078
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, mm hmm.

1079
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 2: You do not want that, And which is why they're

1080
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: gonna have to They're gonna have to figure it out.

1081
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to get it done. If they're going

1082
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 2: to do something, it's going to have to happen pretty soon,

1083
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: I would think.

1084
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 6: And again, I think it would have happened already. I

1085
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 6: think if because to me it feels like a heat

1086
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 6: of the moment decision of like I'm frustrated that we

1087
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 6: missed the playoffs or whatever, and like I don't think

1088
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Speaker 6: Jim Crane wakes up on Friday and goes like, all right,

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Speaker 6: now it's time to make you. I feel like that

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Speaker 6: would have happened already.

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Speaker 1: But I guess I would.

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Speaker 2: I guess I would counter with, like, then why can't

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Speaker 2: Dana Brown say with authority that he'll be the GM

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Speaker 2: of the Ashers next you, like if it would like.

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Speaker 6: Like why I don't want to jinx it?

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Speaker 2: Why this is as candid and as straight shooting of

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Speaker 2: a guy's I've ever covered in this position, like if

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Speaker 2: his option would be an exercised Like all I say

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Speaker 2: is yes? And then like all this goes away, and

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Speaker 2: you know, as you hear from other people in baseball,

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Speaker 2: as you hear from people that are no people in

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Speaker 2: the Ashers organization, like there's a lot unsettled, and there's

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Speaker 2: a lot that's not known right now.

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Speaker 1: Who knows? Maybe it's both.

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Speaker 2: These guys are back and we freaked out over nothing,

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Speaker 2: and we devoted a lot of time and energy for nothing.

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Speaker 1: But suffice to say that.

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Speaker 2: There are still some some loose ends that need to

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Speaker 2: be tied up. There's still some decisions that need to

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Speaker 2: be made, and when they're made, I guess we will

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Speaker 2: talk to you about them. I can't give you a

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Speaker 2: timeline again. If anyone tells you they know what's going on,

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Speaker 2: they're they're fooling you, They're lying you. There's only a

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Speaker 2: couple of people that know and they're not talking, so

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Speaker 2: maybe when they do we will get to talk about

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Speaker 2: it here. Until then, you can follow me on x

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Speaker 2: at on their Underscore room. We can follow Tyler at

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Speaker 2: Tyler C. Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Josh is at j red dub Deuce.

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Speaker 2: As always, you can like us and rate and review

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Speaker 2: us on Apple and Spotify. You can like the videos

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Speaker 2: on the Crush Shitty Territory YouTube channel, which you should

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Speaker 2: we post a new video. If you had I'm wearing

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Speaker 2: or if you like the shirt Josh was wearing, shop

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Speaker 2: at Crush City territoryshop dot com. I heard Christmas music

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Speaker 2: the other day which was an awful thing. But it's coming,

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Speaker 2: so if you have holiday gifts you need to get

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Speaker 2: Crush Shitty Territory Shop is there for the Astros fan

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Speaker 2: in your life.

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Speaker 1: Please please be sure to get there.

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Speaker 2: We'll come back at some point this week with another episode,

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Speaker 2: maybe when we have a little more clarity about the

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Speaker 2: future of the organization.

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Speaker 1: Until then, we will talk to you later. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 6: Happy birthday, Maverick and writer Byett