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Speaker 1: four three donors. Now, Butler pointed out that he had

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Speaker 1: on the internet or I sent him a photo of

428
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: my body's spear that he likes a lot, and I

429
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: sent him the sort of recipe. But when I've done that,

430
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: he had already been online researching it and then didn't

431
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: use the didn't use the design I sent him. He

432
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 1: used the design that it was very similar, but uh

433
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: and he even put like a little decorative twist and

434
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: what it's like, it's a freaking gorgeous spirit. You know

435
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: that guy. He likes to run the hashtag built not Bought.

436
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: Travis does. Yeah, like without trying to be he's very

437
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: much like at the forefront of a like a movement

438
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: in across our country and maybe the rest of the world,

439
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: like a very green movement to like limit you know,

440
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: big manufacturing. You know, people just like make and stuff

441
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: at home with what they have. Um, he embodies that

442
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: without Actually he's certainly not doesn't think of himself as

443
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: at the forefront of some green movement. You know. No,

444
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know built not bought. Yeah, that's good stuff, man.

445
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: It is ties in well with what's going on on

446
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: Yannie side of the street. Whereas brand new appliances or

447
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: crap in the bed, Yeah, I don't. I don't think

448
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: it's can tell you how to athlete, tell you that

449
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: came to fix my Samsung, Raine said, the one company

450
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: what I told you not to buy from Samsung? Like, okay, really,

451
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: you got some dud appliances from Samsung just one um,

452
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: but he in general, he was just telling me that

453
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: from what he sees, there's very much a planned um

454
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: and um. He's just like if I if you don't

455
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: have it, He's like, I recommend right now you go

456
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: online and get yourself an extended warranty because like you

457
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: know how every appliance now has like a digital display

458
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: of some sort. And he's like, on an oven, it

459
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: is literally right above the part where the heat is

460
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: escaping the most. Well, guess yeah, it gets cooked. He's like,

461
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: so these I replace these boards all the time, two

462
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: to three years into the appliance, and it doesn't matter

463
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: if you spent eight dollars on your range or five thousand.

464
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: That thing is going. So that's the appliance you had.

465
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: That's bad And yeah, yeah, well and that wasn't what

466
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: went bad on us. For us, it was the based

467
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: the the element that heats up the oven, that like

468
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: starts the heating process. But that's what's gonna happen next.

469
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: May I feel terrible you get screwed over by those guys.

470
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: I used toe rice to run their phones for a while.

471
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: I had to sing called Samsung White Glove Service. Remember

472
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: that I do. It's like it was like for celebrities,

473
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: but apparently they made it down to like D list

474
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: celebrities in their celebrity list because I was I got

475
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: white glove service, which is pretty nice, but then I

476
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: gave up on them all together. Dude to New York,

477
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: I kind of want to talk about this. It's a

478
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: good one. Oh, let's first talk about this. So some

479
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: guy in Idaho cal Yes, sir, do you know about

480
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: this that you're talking? Poetrs? Now? Yeah, tell everybody about

481
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: this just because you got you got. I don't used

482
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: to live there, are you? First light fellas familiar with

483
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: the big Idaho Uh poetry that just got busted? Here

484
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: the the guy that killed the mountain goat nanny with

485
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of practice practice bolts from a crossbow. No,

486
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: but Chase, this is up in year old neck of

487
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: the woods. Uh. Guy shot sorry, I shouldn't say a guy,

488
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: a suspect shot a mountain goat with To me, it

489
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: looks like a like probably not a hunting style crossbow,

490
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: but the bolts, which are the short little arrows that

491
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: people fling out across bows. Um, we're stuck in this

492
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: mountain goat. This nanny female mountain goat and they're they're

493
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: not hunting set up at all. Their their target bolts.

494
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: So no, uh made for targets, not for effectively and

495
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: and humanely. You would call it killing something. And Idaho

496
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: fishing game was forced to youth and eyes the nanny

497
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: mountain goat. And they haven't caught the dude. They have

498
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: not caught the person. So if you know someone here,

499
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure out how to solve this. If you

500
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: know someone with a crossbow, they like to call them

501
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: like instead of have it like if you're like crossbow enthusiasts,

502
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: they like to have it be that there's horizontal bows

503
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: and vertical bows, if you know, and that's a if

504
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: you know a vertical bow enthusiast and you knew they

505
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: had some practice bolts and then were horizontal horizontal bones.

506
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: If you know a horizontal bow enthusiast who had some

507
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: practice bolts and then one day you noticed that he

508
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: had three fewer practice bolts than he had previous, you

509
00:31:38,240 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: might have a clue. Yeah, shiny gold boot, there's no

510
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: one call I feel like you know about. I think

511
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: this is an interesting one. A guy in New York

512
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: I feel bad for this guy, kind of a guy

513
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: in New York is barbecuing up a barbecueing up a canine,

514
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: and apparently the some version of the police show up

515
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: and and uh confiscate a hunk of his whole canine

516
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: that he's grilling up to send it off to Cornell

517
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: to find out if he is cooking, as he says,

518
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: a coyote or, as neighbors suspect, a dog. It is

519
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: illegal to cook a domestic dog. However, the state of

520
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: New York says it it is legal to having at

521
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: least having your possession or do what you want with

522
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: a coyote, carcass, hyder pelt. You actually found this out

523
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: that it is illegal as a cookoo domestic dog. I

524
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: tell you a lot more I know about this than

525
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: that falls under the like domestic animal or animal abuse.

526
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: Im i'm missing missing too, mixing two abuses up there.

527
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: Uh yes, animal abuse. Now when I here's something that happened,

528
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: I thought that that. Ah, I'll share a million years

529
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: ago when I was writing a story for Outside about

530
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: animal cruelty. Sorry, that's what the word I was going

531
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: for animal cruelty. Million years ago and I was writing

532
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: a story for Outside about the consumption of dogs in Vietnam.

533
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: I had a line in my in the draft of

534
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: my article that I submitted where I had some line

535
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: like to the effect of, you know, everybody knows it's

536
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: illegal to eat a dog in America. And the fact

537
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: checker kept pointing out that where are you show me

538
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: that it's illegal to eat a dog in America? And

539
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I just assumed. I don't know. I

540
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: didn't actually find that somewhere. I was just young and

541
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: stupid at the time, and younger stupider, and then once

542
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: I had to actually look into it, it's it's illegal

543
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: in California, it's illegal in New York. Well then that

544
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: there's no there's not a prohibition I eat your dog.

545
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: You could eat your dog right now. The area it

546
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: falls into is like, is consuming a dog necessarily rolled

547
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: into animal cruelty? But like if your own dog, whatever,

548
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: got if you ran over your own dog in your driveway,

549
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: there's nothing saying you can't consume that dog. Yeah, there's probably.

550
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any rule against euthanizing your own dog, right,

551
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: So no, um, what this One of the things that's

552
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: brought up is it was like, why is it, Uh,

553
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: why is it not possible to buy dog meat in America?

554
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: And when I was doing working on this article and

555
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: I want up talking to some U. S d A

556
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: inspectors and stuff, and it was like, you're just never

557
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: going to get Um, you're just not going to get

558
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: an inspected facility. You're not gonna get like the U.

559
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: S d A. You're you're not gonna get them to

560
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: come inspect um and certify that product. Right, So that

561
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: would be what would block someone from trafficking and dog flesh,

562
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be any kind of in most states,

563
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: it would be kind of any kind of other prohibition,

564
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing says you can't do it. It's just

565
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: no one's ever gotten set up to do it. So

566
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: this dude, he says, he's have you seen there's no pictures.

567
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: I speaking, I'd like to have this guy in the show, Um,

568
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: have you seen any pictures? They searched around to see

569
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: if and had reported a dog missing that fit the

570
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: sort of stature and girth of this dog, which I

571
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: thought was grant. They couldn't turn up any reports of

572
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: people searching for a a canine in the area that

573
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: that fit this general make and model if you will. Yeah,

574
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: like he was kind of cooked, but I don't know.

575
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: I'd like, I thought this was something interesting to bring

576
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: up because the kyo the only coyote I was, Um,

577
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: it was while we were hunting CU's deer in Mexico

578
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: and you guys just got back from hunting cuse dear

579
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: Mexico's every transition. I'll tell you one thing about that

580
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: transition is it's premature because because I'm not ready yet,

581
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: So I couldn't figure out if the guy got his

582
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: meat back or if how much did they how much

583
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: they confiscated to me? I I the couple of articles

584
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: I read, it sounded to me like they took the

585
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: entire well, they took his whole thing meal, which would

586
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: make sense. How does that mean you can't do that

587
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: to somebody? Well, yeah, imagine somebody comes up and takes

588
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: the rack or ribs off your barbecue and they're like, listen,

589
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: these may or may not be so we'll get back

590
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: to you. I wouldn't be real happy about that. No.

591
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: I like how the article points out, like now that

592
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: a journalists will include like a detail that is like

593
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: a telling detail, and you could tell that they it's

594
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: very important to the person covering this that it was

595
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: a makeshift grill. Yeah, I read that. Jo. It's like

596
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: like there, there's sort of there there, there's saying something there.

597
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: I think the journalist and this fellow's neighbors are probably

598
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: on the same page. They're like, there's more than likely

599
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: nothing going on here. But for some reason, I don't

600
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: like this person. Yeah, and I'll know that it seemed

601
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: to me to be a makeshift grill, not like a

602
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: super nice grill. M hm. Weird dude cooking some weird

603
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: ass meat, some makeshift grill. It really paints a picture.

604
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: It's like incriminating. Yeah. And he's using the hashtag caught

605
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: not bought and what was the other one, Johnnie the

606
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: made it not built, built not bought, caught bots doing

607
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: a little cott not bought, built, not bought. At the

608
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 1: same time, the neighbors couldn't stand who does he think

609
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: he is? He's he's mixing up off his hashtags. Man,

610
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: there's a hashtag. I want to get into count if

611
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: we feel like getting into it right now. You tell

612
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: me if we wait or not. There's one more thing

613
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: I want to talk about, Big Giant Colin's Oh that

614
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: guy that got his uh testicle torn out of his

615
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: scroll them. We'll talk about that at another one. I

616
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: didn't hear that one, so horse riding story. But I

617
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: do want a quick touch on this colon deal. Um.

618
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: And do we want to talk about the hashtag that

619
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: was brought up in conversation around who the woman that

620
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: president now President Biden has put forth as his nominee

621
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: for the Interior secretary. Oh the not specifically about her,

622
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: but about the movement that could be a big talking point. Yeah,

623
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: do you want to get into that an hour later?

624
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a fascinating topic. Um, we

625
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: may as well kick it off. It's not because what

626
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: we should do is do it real later. Yeah, yeah, okay,

627
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: tell everybody just just the vagaries. So um are it's

628
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: an appointed position. She hasn't been um confirmed confirmed yet,

629
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: thank you. Deb Holland, who's out of New Mexico. She's

630
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: from a publo in New Mexico. Yeah. On her bio

631
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: it says thirty fifth generation New Mexican, which I think

632
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: is is cooler than hell. Um, hard to calculate. Hard

633
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: to calculate for sure, but you know, around Montana, it's

634
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: like you you opened conversations. Generation. Oh yeah, fifth generation. Yeah,

635
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He was just telling somebody.

636
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, oh, yeah, nephew for Christmas. My

637
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: sister Courtney popped out or a niece for Christmas, and uh,

638
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 1: you know it's your sister popped out. Yes, yeah, oh

639
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: my god. You know, like, but you thought it was

640
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: your nephew. Well, the nephew was present, but you know,

641
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: it's like fifth or sixth generation, and which was she like,

642
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm pregnant with Cal's niece. They held off on

643
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: identifying the sex. Yeah did it old fashioned? Yeah? And

644
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: you and yeah, I'll be the first to tell everyone that. Uh,

645
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: my sister does a very very consistent and good job

646
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: of of working the Catholic guilt on roping me in

647
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: more firmly into family affairs. And I keep saying, we'll

648
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: wait till they get older, and I'll give him a

649
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff and we'll be able to go do things,

650
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: which I think and she thinks you should get started earlier. Yeah,

651
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: but I I don't know really how to do that.

652
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: We're not no. I one time when we took a

653
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: little nephew of yours fishing Yeah. So that's that's Courtney's son,

654
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: my nephew, and so that sister had a daughter. Yeah

655
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: you were like I thought you were like full fledged

656
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: uncl ng Yeah, thank you. It's years ago. You've seen

657
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: him since it's intermittent. Yes, I have moving on. Uh

658
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: So anyway, UM hashtag is land back, which is the

659
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: land back movement? Right, and there's conversations and this has

660
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: been going. We gotta be clear about, right did it

661
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: go on? If you don't clarify the point, I'll make

662
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: sure to clarify. The point is it's give the land

663
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: back to the natives, which would be the inhabitants of

664
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: in our case, North America, within the the United States

665
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: prior to European uh, Europeans setting foot on the soil

666
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: and and spreading disease and claiming big chunks at other

667
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: people's property for ourselves. UM. Fascinating subject. It is a quagmire. Um,

668
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: unless you think that all Native Americans were on the

669
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: same same team, same page, and they all know like

670
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: identifying who occupied what at what time, what at what time?

671
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: Because later like you know that that um, you know,

672
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: the sue had displaced a group from the Black Hills

673
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: and presumably they had displaced another group for the Black Hills.

674
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, and and yeah, just like the mixing

675
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: of races, religions and and who's leading who. I was

676
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: just reading a great book that old Martin Heinrich told

677
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: me to look up, which is Lost City of the

678
00:43:53,680 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: Monkey God. And they in a relatively small area, the

679
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: the Empires that rose and fell in a in a

680
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: pretty small area in a pretty small amount of time. Yeah,

681
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: when we were caribou hunting, he told me about that boat. Yeah,

682
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: pretty pretty neat. Um. So yeah, land back would would

683
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: be the hashtag and it's it's a really interesting one.

684
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: And um, it's it's gonna be coming up a lot.

685
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: I guess, yes, it's going to be coming up. And

686
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: presumably the land back is not coming from the private sector.

687
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: Presumably it would come from public land. It would be

688
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: coming from public land. Yeah, that's the pieces that are

689
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: most like obvious. The most obvious target would be that

690
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: you would do public land right, so would be federally

691
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: managed lands. Yeah, which I was. You know, I was

692
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: swapping emails with cal about this yesterday and I pointed

693
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: out that, well, one cow pointed out that it's very

694
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 1: awkward conversations. It's hard for a bunch of white dudes

695
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: to sit and act like we got a handle on

696
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: covering it from all angles. But I was thinking that

697
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: and I put this to kel Oh. The thing I

698
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: wanted to clarify before I even say my thing is

699
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: that it's presumptuous. It's like it's it's like if Biden's

700
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: Interior nominee um is uh, what's the word you use?

701
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: She's confirmed um it would be the first Native American

702
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: Interior secretary. Uh. And it's known that she has um

703
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: voice this perspective or it is sympathetic to this perspective.

704
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: In the lead up to this, this appointment confirmation, she

705
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: hasn't said my thing is gonna be land back. It's

706
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: just like articles I've read about her to try to

707
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: get a sense of um. As soon as the appointment

708
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: came out, like, I was very much rooting for Martin Heinrich.

709
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: That would be like the in my mind, the dream

710
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: that makes this all worthwhile, the dream Interior secretary in

711
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 1: my view, because Uh, I like where he's that environmentally

712
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: and he's like very friendly to hunting and fishing. When

713
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: that didn't happen, I was like who's this person? Um,

714
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't that familiar with her, and I remember people

715
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: like like journalists speculating on what might be her priorities.

716
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: And the two of them that were that I read about,

717
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: we're both alarming to me. Would be uh, land back,

718
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: so taking public land and handing it to sovereign groups.

719
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: And that someone was speculating that moving more public lands

720
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: over into renewable energy production, so wind and solar, moving

721
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: away from not that I'm like, not that I'm excited

722
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 1: about drawn fossil fuels from public land, but um, definitely

723
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: not excited about turning them all into wind farms. Uh.

724
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: And so I was like, yeah, but there's no indication

725
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: from her what like, you know, there's no indication from

726
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: her that is gonna be her priority. It's just speculation,

727
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: but I think that it's gonna put. I was saying,

728
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: it's the cow that if the if the land back

729
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: movement is that it would be like, oh no, the

730
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: obvious thing that you would give back would be to

731
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: give federally managed public lands, so lands that belong to

732
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: all Americans, regardless of race, creed, religion, whatever, like they're

733
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: all of ours, we all have a say in them

734
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: that you would hand them to groups that are our

735
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: sovereign nations, two tribes that are sovereign nations not subject

736
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: to all federal things. Is gonna put organizations public land

737
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: protection organizations like b h A in a very weird position. Yes,

738
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: potentially right, How do they not? How does how would

739
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: it not become weird for them? To be consistent, they'd

740
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: have to say, no, we don't believe in the transfer

741
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: of public land. It's the private groups. Yeah, I mean correctly,

742
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: You're right, So the sovereign nations from what I see

743
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: right now. And and to be very very clear, I've

744
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: got a ton of education to do on this and

745
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: and this is um a great great way to kick started.

746
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: And uh, deb halland or Hayland, haland Hayland. Uh. If

747
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: you're listening, or somebody in your office is listening, we'd

748
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: love to have you on and get your information, your

749
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: two cents on all this stuff. But um, yeah, you

750
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: would man as a board member for b h A,

751
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: I would be anti transfer of public land or sale

752
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: of public land too a sovereign nation or sovereign entity,

753
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: just like we have been. I don't I don't know,

754
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: I just don't see a situation where we couldn't be

755
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: I could see a possibility where we you know, I

756
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: get to a point where we have much more input

757
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: from many more groups on sacred sites, sites with you know,

758
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: huge anthropology and and archaeological uh you know, importance and

759
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: and coming up with a better way to you know,

760
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: have access while protecting those areas, bringing more people to

761
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: the table, which is something that gets regurgitated all the time,

762
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: have more voices, have better conversations. Um. But that doesn't

763
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: mean it's not something we need to do. But an

764
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: outright transfer like land back, begin with like land back

765
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: to who I could see a way it would kind

766
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: of like I don't know how I feel about it yet,

767
00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: right in a large measure would depend on scale, uh

768
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: you know you ever like just I'm just bringing up

769
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: in New Mexico because Hallen's from New Mexico. Like Bandolier

770
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: National Monument. Okay, so it's like an ancient Pueblo National

771
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: Monument site. Um, it's managed as a monument, right, it's

772
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: a it's geographically like to find to be sort of

773
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: you know around this monument site. It's not this It's

774
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: not like hundreds of thousands of acres, but it's this site.

775
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: I could see situations like that, like very specific, you know,

776
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: I could see where you could get a majority of

777
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: Americans on board with these like very specific sites that

778
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: had direct relevance to people that own them, significance to

779
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: people that own them, like the site of you know,

780
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: Wounded Knee, like you uh, Devil's How or whatever, like

781
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: like very specific spots that had religious significance, and that

782
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: you would hand over administration or whatever of these two

783
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: to their prior, you know, arguably rightful owners. Pompey his

784
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: pillar would be a great example right next, And I

785
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: can see that you would have one reception that that

786
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: the public Americans might might perceive that differently than say, um, Yosemite,

787
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: we're taking all of Yosemite National Park and you know,

788
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: getting it to its prior owner. Yeah, all of Hudson's

789
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: Bay or Manhattan, Manhattan exactly, We're gonna go right to

790
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: the start right road all started it was Manhattan or

791
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: Plymouth Rock and you know that state that's not gonna

792
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: go right. But Pompey is pillar a great example, right

793
00:51:54,640 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: like right now, there's uh, there's a cultural site, there's um,

794
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, all sorts of infrastructure set up for education,

795
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: and I went and walked around it over Christmas and

796
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: Pheasants Forever has a bunch of ground in the monument,

797
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: and I hunted my way with the dog to the

798
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: no hunting sign, threw my shots, threw my shotgun over

799
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: the shoulder, you know, broken Eventually there's some other folks around.

800
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to deal with anything, and I

801
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: was using it over and one of those weather be

802
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: over and unders. So I just broke the thing in

803
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: three parts and threw it in my backpack so it

804
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: didn't look like you were up to no good, right,

805
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: And then just you know, toward the site, read all

806
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: the signs that I wanted to see. My Grandpa's got

807
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: a rock over there. He used to do some education

808
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: tours on medicine at pump Eyes and uh. And then

809
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: snapped her back together and hunting my way back out

810
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: to the truck. And it's like, but do we have

811
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: to give up any of that? You know what I mean?

812
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: It's a very small site, you know, poppies, Pompey, pompey,

813
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: so Szaka Jewellah socaw Jeweah, Zacha Jeriah who was the

814
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: I don't know they don't think they were married. The yeah,

815
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: the the sort of the wife of a guide that

816
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: was hired by Lewis and Clark on the Lewis and

817
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: Clark expedition, and the guide wanted being like a kind

818
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: of I think he's kind of worth his reputation was

819
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: he's pretty worthless. But his wife, Zacha juillah Um, who

820
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: was with child right she was was was her child

821
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: born Pompey was born along that Lewis Clark che Charbonneau,

822
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: had a bad reputation. But his wife, who I think

823
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: was snake if I'm not if I'm not mistaken, Sacha

824
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: Jeria wanted being like very valuable. What do you mean

825
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: she was a snake? I think she was snaking? Wasn't

826
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: she She had she was had been born with snake

827
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: and then had been uh had been born Looking up

828
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: real quick. She was born snake and had been kidnapped

829
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: by another tribe and raising another tribe. But new certain

830
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: landmarks around her tribe knew what she was born. She

831
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: proved to be very valuable around some navigation and has

832
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: been celebrated ever since. Is like the only even though

833
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: she wasn't formally a member. I don't even think she

834
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: was getting paid, like her whole man was getting paid

835
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: and he was I guess worthless. But so she's been

836
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: honored ever since as being this like the only female

837
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: member and I think so like like, well, they had

838
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: a slave with him to York who wasn't paid, but

839
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: he was given as he was gifted his freedom. After

840
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: the expedition, she died in obscurity szaka Dwiah. But she

841
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: has this kid. They named the kid POMPEII. And they

842
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: got to a pillar. It this prominent pillar along the yellowstone,

843
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: like a sandstone pillar that sits there. Clark goes up

844
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: and carves his name, and that's all, and for a

845
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: long time had always been built as the only visual

846
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,959
Speaker 1: marker of the Lewis and Clark expedition. Is where Clark

847
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: at us. I've went up and looked at it. You

848
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: still go up and look as a damn name from

849
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: eighteen o five or eight o six whatever is carved

850
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: net freaking rock, very nice penmanship. And he named the

851
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: rock Pompey's pillar, Pompey's Pillar, and then later interestingly Custer.

852
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: They had to shootout right below that, below that, below

853
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: that spire seven years later. Mhm uh shone or shone

854
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: e uh and from the lem High Zone. But who

855
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: was she raised by? Which show? Uh? Remember the Lemhi

856
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: band Uh the showy tribe. She was kidnapped by the

857
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: Hadatza and then sold to Charbonneau. Oh you bought her,

858
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: so she's like a slave. Yeah, you can bow that, Phil.

859
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: Did you know all this? Yeah? I I did any

860
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: most of it. I feel like most of if you

861
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: were a wife, a Native American wife, I mean you

862
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: were pretty much a slave back then, right to a

863
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: white trapper. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know, man, you've

864
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: watched Jeremiah Johnson that I'm aware that's probably one of

865
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: the ones I slept through in in in middle school.

866
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure i'd love it. Now, Steve, I'm sorry if

867
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: I offended you. Alright, we're gonna put the coal in

868
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: on hold. Cal. You don't with your little report about

869
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: who but your cal's like totally gross now oh yeah, definitely. Yeah.

870
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure we're gonna get an overwhelming load of

871
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: emails in As Steve said when we started this conversation

872
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: by email yesterday, very aware that we're a bunch of

873
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: white European man talking about this stuff, and um, very

874
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 1: interested and very looking forward to seeing how these conversations

875
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,959
Speaker 1: evolve on the land back movement. Yeah, we just gotta

876
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: get the right people to talk about it with us,

877
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: because I want to and I want to not talk

878
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: about it. But on the other hand, you know, you

879
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: don't be like, I'll tell you what these people ought

880
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: to think. We're acknowledging it exists, and we're acknowledging that

881
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: we need more info. Crain will find us the right

882
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: people to talk about all right, now, Old Mexico. Now,

883
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: I missed out on the trip because I was afflicted

884
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: with with covid C one niner, which which I got

885
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: lucky and it didn't do anything bad to me. But um,

886
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: how was it? Man? Was it like the greatest thing

887
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: in the world that generally is the hunting highlight of

888
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: my year? I saw that you said that in an

889
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: email to one of these fellas, and the deadn't surprise

890
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: you did it? Mhm, Partially, I guess. I mean, I

891
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: know that it's like, I know that it's like top tier,

892
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: but I didn't know that it was like the number

893
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: one highlight. You thought it was trapping golf course. Mus

894
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: grats with Seth. I that that's hard to top. But

895
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: Mexico is pretty cool too. Yeah, man, it's a uh

896
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: he know, it's funny. Somebody in the group, I think

897
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: Matt de said to me, he said, this is my

898
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: first international hunt, and uh, I don't ever really look

899
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: at it that because you can look into America. Yeah,

900
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: but half the stuff you see is in America. Yeah,

901
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: we're so close to the border that you can see

902
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: the border blimps um. But it does put it in perspective.

903
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: It is an international hunt, and you can't you can't

904
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: deny it. No, it's it's it makes it all that

905
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: much more special. Yeah. But the fact that you drive

906
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: over and then it's only like what the hell it is?

907
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: Would you consider any less or more international? If you

908
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: drove into British Columbia went Stone sheep hunting, I would

909
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: consider it equally uninternational for some reason. But I don't

910
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: know why. It's a North American when I hear like

911
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: an internationally, I don't know. It's just it's just stupid.

912
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean like, I don't know why

913
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: that's very much. That's a that's another country. But yeah,

914
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: they're intercontinental hunts. Yeah, I'm I'm mixing up intercontinental with international,

915
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: and I think that's the probably the root of a

916
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: lot of issues at customs for both Canada and Mexico

917
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: with American Uh hunters traveling is there's part of your

918
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: brain that just says, listen, your jobs. Just semantics. Yeah,

919
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: like you're you're you're right next to I can throw

920
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: a rock over the border. Let's not act like I'm

921
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: far away from my house exactly right up that a way. Um.

922
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: Any kind of when we started going down to to

923
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: scenario years ago, uh, there was always a little tension

924
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: because I think we started going after things went, after

925
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: the border got where it started to develop a reputation. Uh,

926
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: the we were dismantling cartel's it was leading to a

927
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: lot of strife, beheadings. Yeah, I was leaving to a

928
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: lot of turf wars. Violence was kind of like boiling

929
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:44,479
Speaker 1: over um. And it was like a little unnerving even

930
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: though I don't know how many times we've been down there,

931
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: nothing has ever happened. Ever, they're not even kind of

932
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: did you were you guys little uh edgy driving down

933
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: and being around no and you know, because I'm probably

934
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: coming on you know trip number ten down there. Um,

935
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, every time you go you can get more

936
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: and more comfortable. But I think that's a good question

937
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: for the guys from First Light if if they felt

938
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: that edginess at all. Well, two of the dudes from

939
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: First Light, I think spent a lot of time in Mexico. Yeah.

940
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: We I've driven uh down to the tip of bo

941
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: Back a couple of times and spent a spent a

942
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: bunch of time down there. So um, first time taking

943
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: firearms across, which was a little different, but uh, it

944
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: wasn't it was. It was pretty mellow for the most part. Yeah,

945
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: I'd agree with that. I thought the checking the firearms

946
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: and was kind of the most interesting part of it.

947
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: But otherwise I don't think. I think you get down

948
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: there and you realize it's it's people too, you know,

949
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: like no one's looking to give you a hard time

950
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: really per se. I felt pretty safe the whole time,

951
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: Duke you two, no no fear of safety whatsoever or

952
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: lack of safety. Yeah, I mean it, I do feel

953
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,959
Speaker 1: like it went pretty smooth. Um, that was the first

954
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: time I'd ever personally traveled anywhere with a with a firearm,

955
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: and so um, I mean, you guys helped helped me.

956
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: I think it went pretty dangn smooth. Yeah, but when

957
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: you got across the border, you weren't like, all of

958
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: a sudden worried about getting abducted by a drug cartel

959
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: impossive possibly helped for ransom. No, that's interesting. It must

960
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: just be different times, because that was definitely in our

961
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: heads when we went for the first my first time,

962
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: I thought about it, but I thought about a lot.

963
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: But um, I mean this time, this trip was my

964
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: second time down there, and it was like not anything

965
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 1: near the first time. The one time that I got

966
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: most nervous was just when we were staying in a

967
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: place along the highway for along like a very busy road,

968
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: and I don't know why, but like nothing happened, nothing happened.

969
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: There was one kid that just had a shady personality

970
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: about him. And he might have been the nicest, like best,

971
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, law abiding kid citizen ever, but he had

972
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: he had a tinge of shadiness. But if he was

973
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: hanging out with you guys on on a shoot for

974
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: whatever reason, on some property in the US, from what

975
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: he guys described me, he probably would have been like, man,

976
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: I don't like leaving my stuff around that kid. Oh absolutely,

977
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: And I was pissed because Steve made too sort of

978
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: like not that it was necessary or even inferred, but

979
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: to sort of like make everything just completely good. Steve

980
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: made me give my pocket knife to the guy because

981
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: he really wanted a knife. Seems like if we don't

982
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: give him your knife, and then who knows what's gonna happen?

983
01:03:54,120 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: Give him your knife? I just got mine. Yeah. He

984
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: was a burrito buck. Brito buck. Um. That's the buck

985
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: that we killed on the last morning of the hunt. Um.

986
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: So we're kind of going backwards here, starting with the

987
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: last I'm just looking at what you wrote down. Yeah,

988
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: but we can start there. What happened to us too,

989
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: is that we got a It's really kind of odd.

990
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: The story starts earlier, no, the day before. UM on

991
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: the radio. We use radios there to communicate both just

992
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, between hunting parties and then to also during

993
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: the hunt to help us rEFInd deer that we've spotted

994
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: from long distances. Well, I'm on the radio with somebody

995
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: and some other dude chimes in, and it was sometimes

996
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: because I don't know the guys from first light, you

997
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: know that, Well, and I didn't know their voices. I'm like,

998
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: who is that? You know? Now? Do you know who

999
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: you're talking to? This is you? Honest, I'm trying to

1000
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: talk to Seth, not Matt d So identify yourself. This

1001
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: guy's like, oh man, sorry, we're just on the same channel.

1002
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: We were down in Escanan and we're just heading back

1003
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: to the border. I'm like, oh, okay, do you guys

1004
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: recuse here hunt? Yeah, he goes. I'm like, how did

1005
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: you guys? Do you guys? Oh? Man, dad killed one

1006
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: and we killed I'm like, oh man. And when he

1007
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: said that, I'm like, does he think he knows me?

1008
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: Because he just like said dad, Like, you know, like

1009
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to know who his dad is, you know.

1010
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: So they had a decent hunt. I think they went

1011
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: three for four. But uh, he asked me how long

1012
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: we're hunting? I said through Sunday. No, through Saturday, drop

1013
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: going back on Sunday. Goes, oh, well, did you hear

1014
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: the military is closed on Sunday? And just for everybody listening,

1015
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: you have to check your guns in when you go

1016
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: to Mexico with the police and the military, the federalies

1017
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: and with the US dudes. Yeah, and then leaving, you

1018
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: go through the same process and you get a signature

1019
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: or a stamp on this gun permit on the way

1020
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: out that says you are now leaving with the same weapon.

1021
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: And uh if you don't have that signature and stamp,

1022
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: you legally can't cross the border. And uh so I'm like, oh,

1023
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: you know we're supposed to leave that day, so we've

1024
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: gotta change plans. So uh we figured out that we

1025
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: had to leave a day early. Luckily, the military is

1026
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: gonna still be open till five on Saturday, so we

1027
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: could hunt the morning. So we get that all figured out.

1028
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: But we are now you found this out for some

1029
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: dudes driving on the highway that you picked up on

1030
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: your radio. Yes, yes, and then then I I confirmed

1031
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: confirmed with our fixer uh cell phone and confirmed with

1032
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: her and so yes, we yeah, it was it was

1033
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: very uh um, what's the word not coincidental? So uh

1034
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: so we said, dad, this is the guy you know. No,

1035
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, it was. It was moving along

1036
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: pretty quick, and you know, we had hunting to do

1037
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: and and so anyways, we're feeling the pressure now where

1038
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: we're cut by half a day of hunting. You know,

1039
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: at least, you know, maybe a little bit more so. Anyways,

1040
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: last morning every's hunting hard. Cal has a tag unfilled,

1041
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: and so does Chase, and so we split the groups

1042
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 1: up evenly. Uh, Chase and Seth and I go to

1043
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: a spot where uh we had seen some deer maybe

1044
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: the day before, and Seth had seen a little rut

1045
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: party where usually you see like a couple does or

1046
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: a dog getting chased around by two or three bucks.

1047
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: And we're gonna go to that same area and see

1048
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: if you know, maybe a branch chandler buck has shown

1049
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: up in that area. Can I can I interject real quick?

1050
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: I feel like those rut parties move, They certainly can. Yeah,

1051
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: there's a road party and then you go there the

1052
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: next day and the rough party is elsewhere, man right.

1053
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: I used to think like, oh, I'll go there tomorrow hill,

1054
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: but they just pop over the hill or anyway. There

1055
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: was also a lot of doughs there. Yeah, I mean

1056
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: we had like what five six seven does in this

1057
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: one little basin and um or I mean literally one hillside.

1058
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,560
Speaker 1: They were holding tight. Yeah. Yeah, sat Ha seen a

1059
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: couple of small bucks. He had heard another very deep

1060
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,560
Speaker 1: guttural runts down there. Yeah, it's crazy how much you

1061
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: hear the grunts um and uh. Anyways, we pop up

1062
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: on the knob cess looking that direction, and because we're

1063
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 1: near another zone that we like to hunt, I just

1064
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: go to the other side of the knob, maybe seventy

1065
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: five yards away, and just figured we'll glass all directions.

1066
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: And first bucklet pops up. You know, Chase is going

1067
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: to go after and uh, it didn't take but you know,

1068
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: it was such a pretty morning. The layers were so

1069
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: nice in the distance of the mountains and the sunrise.

1070
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: Actually took two minutes to snap some iPhone pictures and

1071
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: it was just so nice. And then I put my

1072
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: binoculars up and and talkt to myself, look where you've

1073
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,560
Speaker 1: been seeing the most, dear, And I looked on that

1074
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: one hillside and it didn't take like a half of sweep,

1075
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, there's a buck. Call everybody over

1076
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: And Chase like, looks good to me. Let's go. So

1077
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: we mail off the hill and we make it like

1078
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: a hundred yards some sets that's gonna stay back and

1079
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: and uh, we're and keep an eye on the buck

1080
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: and we make about hunrey yards down the hill and

1081
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: we spook another buck. Get ready, and I look back

1082
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: at Chase and he's like doing the like thing where

1083
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: like you're grabbing at your shoulder. We're like, you're you're

1084
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: looking for where your rifle strap is sling, and then

1085
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: you're like it's not there. So he hustles back up

1086
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: the hill, goes to get my rifle, and he had

1087
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: to borrow my rifle. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, and uh

1088
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, hard to go kill him without a rifle insight.

1089
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,560
Speaker 1: I hadn't carried a rifle the first few days, so

1090
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: I got pretty comfortable with that program. And I'm glad

1091
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: that buck popped up. It could have been a real problem. Yeah,

1092
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: we might have made it a long ways down that

1093
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: hill and before he remembered. So we make it down there. Um,

1094
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 1: we get in. We're sort of creeping up on this

1095
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: like low bench that's underneath the hillside the bucks on

1096
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, sets kind of telling me last

1097
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: where he's seeing the buck. I can see this little

1098
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: draw that says describing for me. We're three to four

1099
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: hundred yards away and I'm I'm feeling very confident. It's

1100
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: like we found a buck, we made the stock, and

1101
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: we refined him, and now we're within shooting range, right,

1102
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: So it's like you're like still a little anxious, but

1103
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: you're like feeling that like you're starting to get like

1104
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: those visions of grandeur. I like to call him where

1105
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: you're like you're like imagining taking the grip and your photos. Yeah, yeah,

1106
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: we might have another buck dad here shortly and um

1107
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: at that time, I think he's like three fifty ish

1108
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: and we've I spot him and he's in this little

1109
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: shade patch and he's like white out in the open

1110
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: and We've got like a nice shooting lane to him,

1111
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, I got him chase, Like, okay, cool,

1112
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my time and get super comfortable, you know,

1113
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: make the shot. I'm like, yeah, that's the right thing

1114
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: to do, Like, you know, let's not rush this, Like

1115
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: we got a big open hill side ahead of us,

1116
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,879
Speaker 1: Like we're gonna get a shot. Well, sure enough, that bugger,

1117
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: Like right, his chase is getting settled in walks behind

1118
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: a tree, and like an hour goes by and there's

1119
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: like he just feeds in a spot where sets like

1120
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: probably sitting up there anything Like why are they not

1121
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 1: shooting the most frustrating thing from our angle. We couldn't

1122
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: see a deer like nothing. That's like, yeah, he's just

1123
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: right there, you know, it looks broadside to me, and

1124
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: we just had like absolutely nothing. So we're just like,

1125
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: stay on him, stay on him. Seth and I are

1126
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, what trees were looking at to

1127
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: make sure that like when he pops out, will be

1128
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: in the general vicinity. Um, you know, Chase has the

1129
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: gun dial to the proper range. Well, the butt like

1130
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: hooks up with the doll where she was probably there

1131
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: the whole time. But we finally see the dough and

1132
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: she starts moving up the hill. He's following her, and

1133
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: he proceeds to move up the hill and never stopped

1134
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: in an opening and just disappears, out of our lives. Gone,

1135
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: goes up up and over the top, open over the top.

1136
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: That takes maybe five to ten minutes as he makes

1137
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: this move, feeds a little bit, but basically follows her

1138
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: up and over the top to go to the shady

1139
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: side of the hill. Out of our lives. Man. So

1140
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: we went from feeling pretty dang good about the situation

1141
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: to the lowest of low because it's the last morning.

1142
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: Now it's like nine am. We made like a call

1143
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: that the heart out was gonna be ten and because

1144
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 1: we had to go and pack and make it to

1145
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: the military, you know, by five, and uh, we're just bombed. Man.

1146
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's just like you just it's the gut punch.

1147
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's been there, and you're like you like,

1148
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: like I said, you could see the grip and grin

1149
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 1: and now now you're just like, oh man, I don't

1150
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:21,759
Speaker 1: feel so good. But there's like a silver lining because

1151
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: everything happened that morning so quickly that we hadn't got

1152
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: our little burrito in. Now you've been down there, you

1153
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 1: eat like sometimes he's Brito's for dinners, but most of

1154
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: the britos go down as breakfast slash lunch burritos because

1155
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: every morning Loope builds you. Or if there's a different

1156
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: cook there, but Loope we've had the last couple of years.

1157
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: We love her. She builds you like some version of

1158
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: a bean, potato, meat, bacon, maybe just some eggs in there,

1159
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: some salce or whatever burrito you know with you. This

1160
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: year Loupe was packing some fatties. These things were I

1161
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: think some of the times we're like double the size

1162
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: of the normal burrito. Filling up a like a court

1163
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: size baggy two of them, like stuffed big burritos. Um.

1164
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: We've had at least two, sometimes three of these every

1165
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: single day. And we're on like day six now. So

1166
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: Chase and I are sitting there not feeling very good

1167
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: about ourselves. But I'm like, yeah, you know what, we

1168
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,799
Speaker 1: didn't have our burritos yet today. Let's have a burrito

1169
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: and we'll just like keep an eyeball on this hill

1170
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe something will pop out. There was

1171
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 1: a there was a doll. There there was a buck.

1172
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: I tell Seth on the radio. I'm like, hey, just

1173
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,759
Speaker 1: keep watching the hill if we're gonna have a burrito

1174
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: around about where you are. Yeah, I'm in basically in

1175
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: the drainage that Mark Kenyon killed his buck. But we're

1176
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: like up drainage upstream eight yards and we're down on

1177
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: a bench and looking up at the big, bigger farthest

1178
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: left yellow yes, um, before you move on. Yeah, when

1179
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: that's hill. When the buck that you guys saw go

1180
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: up over the top, he like, as I'm following him

1181
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: go up over the top, another buck appeared. He like

1182
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: kicked up another buck. So there's all of a sudden

1183
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: too nice bucks on the hillside. Yeah, I left, he

1184
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 1: left staring. I left seth starring. I gave him my

1185
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: eighteen by fifty six? Is um sess looking through those things?

1186
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: And you know where I messed up? Man, I gave

1187
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: you my post too. And then I was trying to

1188
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,560
Speaker 1: get my binos on ad at the bottom of the

1189
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 1: hill and I didn't have that capability. And God does

1190
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: that burn. You've been used used to staring at him

1191
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: through the uh, you know, on a tripod, and then

1192
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you gotta go into like some

1193
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: rinky dink balancing on your head on your tripod head.

1194
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: It sucks. Um. So yeah, ay chase you. You weigh

1195
01:15:54,560 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: in here anytime you feel it's necessary. But so, yeah,

1196
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: we'll have a burrito. So we're munching away on our burrito.

1197
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: It's kind of talking about how we're getting sick of

1198
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 1: eating burritos. Is there any chopped up onion that bridle?

1199
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: That one didn't have any chopped up onions. I don't

1200
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: think it was still a day good burrito. A lot

1201
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 1: of us agree that, like with you and me, that

1202
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: after a week of eating maximum food, as much as

1203
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: we love it, the first four days, five days. On

1204
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: that last day, you're kind of like you're like ready

1205
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: to switch diets. On the other hand, just says he

1206
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: could just keep eating. Yeah, just yeah, I get that

1207
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 1: anywhere I go. Anywhere I go. I dug out the

1208
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: my second burrito of the day for for lunch. This

1209
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: is after a showered and got ready to hit the

1210
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: road and do the march back across the border. And

1211
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: I will admit that that burrito did not go down

1212
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: quite as that one left a little something to be desired.

1213
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: So you found the other side of it, Yeah, the

1214
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: other side of your brido love. Uh huh. So Chase

1215
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 1: and I are stuffing our faces, munching away, kind of

1216
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: having a conversation, you know, while bits of tortill or

1217
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: spitting out of it between our lips, and uh. We

1218
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: had seen a spike since the big buck left over

1219
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: already on the hillside, so we're like, okay, there might

1220
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: be some deer up there. A few more buys, the

1221
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: burrito go down and Chase looks up and he's like, well,

1222
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: there's a buck, Like, holy shit, I'll look up there

1223
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: and get my bios on him. And he just happened

1224
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: to be stopping a spot where he's like almost pretty

1225
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: much visible with the naked eyes. I put the bios

1226
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 1: on him real quick, and you know, with a mouthful brito,

1227
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, who goal and which I said, shoot that buck?

1228
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, he gets down on his gun.

1229
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,759
Speaker 1: The bucks like kind of in half, like I'm chasing

1230
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: the old scent of a dough move. You know. We're like,

1231
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like he's gonna be sticking around long, right,

1232
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: He's not just sitting there feeding, he's like knows the

1233
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: ground traveling. And because we had just gone through the

1234
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: whole exercise of watching that other buck move across the

1235
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: hillside every single marker or like visual marker on that hill,

1236
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 1: whether it was a big white snag with the black

1237
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: burnt gash on the front of it, or the two

1238
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 1: white rocks together the tall ponderos, so that's sticking up

1239
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,719
Speaker 1: over the horizon. All that stuff had just been recently

1240
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 1: talked about. So as this bucks now moving across the

1241
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: same landscape, it's very easy to communicate your whole vocabulary square. Yeah,

1242
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, remember where we lost the buck, Like, get

1243
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: your going on the meadow below those rocks, dollar your

1244
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: scope to you know, whatever. It was six point five

1245
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 1: and you know, get ready, bucks gonna be there in

1246
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: two seconds. And uh. Kind of the second funny punchline

1247
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: part of this story is that earlier, when that other

1248
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: buck was going up the hill, I kept trying to

1249
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: like stop him in in in little openings and say

1250
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: hey or like that, and nothing was working. All right,

1251
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: he was just falling on this dope. So this time

1252
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: the buck walks into this opening and I might have

1253
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: set a record for loudest because I like I amplified

1254
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: it with my hands and just gave it a you know,

1255
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: I might as well just yelled hey totally. And that

1256
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 1: bugger just freezes up like a statue in the middle

1257
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 1: of that opening, and it's like looking down the hill,

1258
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: you know what was that? And Uh, again, we were

1259
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: ready because we had just gone through the same thing.

1260
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: So Chase already had like a nice rest set up

1261
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: and he was able just to get in right behind

1262
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: his backpack and he had them you know, bipod on

1263
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: his gun and uh we had the range dialed and uh,

1264
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: one shot and I saw the bullet hit and he

1265
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: ran roughly, I don't know, yards kind of downhill. One

1266
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: of those runs where his head's moving faster than his legs.

1267
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: His front legs can keep up, you know, and uh

1268
01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: fell over dead and uh, well, like sweet, that worked out.

1269
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: We both looked down. We were kind of bummed out

1270
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: to see that both of us had sort of thrown

1271
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: plopped our half eating burritos. Like they could have landed

1272
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: on six other five other sides, but they both landed

1273
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: with like the filling down into them. Yeah, and so

1274
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:19,560
Speaker 1: you kind of pick it up and look at it.

1275
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: It's it's not as advertising it as it once was.

1276
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's the story of Chase's burrito buckh. The

1277
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 1: the Couzier hunt, in my mind, comes down like finding them.

1278
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: It's the fun part of it, right, It's the challenging part.

1279
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: It's the part that you get good at. It's the

1280
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: part that frustrates you that you're not good at. It's

1281
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:46,560
Speaker 1: like finding them, did you uh having a bunch of

1282
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 1: newbies down there, these three fellers hadn't done it before, Like,

1283
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: how would you sort of grade them? Oh? Man? Uh,

1284
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 1: top notch some of the best um As a matter

1285
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: of fact, they blow Jay's got away and not quite

1286
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: that good. But a couple of his examples of that

1287
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 1: the first day. Chase, he's got a pretty good Spanish vocabulary.

1288
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 1: So he and I rolled around in the vehicle with

1289
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: one of the cowboys, the local ranch cowboys to um

1290
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: kind of go over some fence lines and make sure

1291
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: where we could and could not hunt and kind of

1292
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: talk about where you know, he's been seeing deer, and um,

1293
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: we had a little time left over that first evening

1294
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: and so we just stopped the kind of a rando

1295
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: spot to glass a little bit, and uh, Chase picked

1296
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 1: up a deer before I did, like right then and there,

1297
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 1: and um, then, Uh, I was gonna say Chase spotted

1298
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: his own deer that he ended up killing the buck. Uh,

1299
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: So did Matt right, Seth? Yeah, we're yeah. I was

1300
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: hunting with Seth and Matt and uh, you know he

1301
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: picked up his own deer. So yeah, man, I'd say

1302
01:21:55,920 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 1: overall they did a amazing jobs first time deer hunters.

1303
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: And then did you uh the weather is a lot

1304
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: different than what we've seen a fair bit in the past.

1305
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say a lot. Um, it was really good

1306
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 1: the first two days where it was cold, deer on

1307
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: their feet most of the day, and then and then

1308
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: it got hot and I can't say that it got

1309
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: any hotter than it's gotten because I think in years

1310
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 1: in past we've had lolls too, and you definitely realized

1311
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: that like cooler tamps, cloudy days seemed to have the

1312
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: deer on their feet more make come easier to find

1313
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: um if if like our killing success you know has

1314
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 1: any uh is an example of it. The first two

1315
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: days that were the coldest, we killed four bucks, and

1316
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: then we killed one buck. The next four days of

1317
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 1: hunting um that were hotter. So um Yeah, but I

1318
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:57,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't call it abnormal. So jealous man, just freaking jealous.

1319
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 1: I was so jealous. I didn't know if I should like.

1320
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like just hoping you guys didn't

1321
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: get anything like in something bad did happen traveling like

1322
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: not like bad bad, but like pretty bad. I can

1323
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: see you wishing that on like Yanni and I, but

1324
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 1: not on you know. When I was having a mind

1325
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 1: movie about it, it was more that you guys, you

1326
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: guys or what. I just hope you had a great trip. Yeah.

1327
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: I think that if a bad hunt it wouldn't have

1328
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: um bode well for you because I think that you

1329
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 1: want to go back next year and you want to

1330
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,560
Speaker 1: hear good things about that ranch and go back to

1331
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: that ranch and have and be able to think about

1332
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: it for a year that like, there's we saw some

1333
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 1: big bucks that we didn't kill. They're alive next year. Yeah,

1334
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: but it could also be like this, like let's see

1335
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: you went and it was no good. Then it would

1336
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: be like the year Steve couldn't go. We weren't able

1337
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 1: to really pull it together. M might be how you

1338
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: viewed it. I didn't realize to what degree he really

1339
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: made the hunt, you know, the gear conversations around the

1340
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: dinner table at night, we're definitely lackluster without your presence.

1341
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: How much did you guys talk about how you wished

1342
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 1: I was there was that like a thing that would

1343
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: come up, like at least at least a half dozen

1344
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: times a day. So if there's twelve waking hours in

1345
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: a day, i'd say, you know, every two hours, you'd

1346
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: be like, God, do I wish? Yeah, I wonder how

1347
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 1: Steve's doing. You're sure makes this trip. Finally had to

1348
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: bam the topic from conversation out right. Yeah, I was

1349
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 1: getting kind of weird. You know, Uh, Seth, you got

1350
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: your first CUIs dear, Ye first cust Basically my Seth

1351
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: was going down there as a as a photographer, but

1352
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: then also he turned into a hunter at the last

1353
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 1: minute when I couldn't go. Yeah, which did you like

1354
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,560
Speaker 1: sharing a gun? Oh? It was. It was like the

1355
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: best experience. Everybody carried Cal carried the gun. He ended

1356
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: up spotting the deer and he was like, do you

1357
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: want to shoot that deer? And I was like yes,

1358
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: and he handed me his gun that he had been carrying. Um,

1359
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: We've made like a little sneak on it to get

1360
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 1: in a position, and I shot cross canyon to seventy two.

1361
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 1: It was like a magical sneak too, because we ranged

1362
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 1: put you right where you needed to be from where

1363
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 1: we spotted the deer, and it was for something. And

1364
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 1: then three and a half minute, five minutes sneak was

1365
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 1: to sewo. I mean it was great, not one of

1366
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: those aggravating sneaks where you do a lot of sneaking

1367
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I can see yea four oh nine. Yeah,

1368
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: So I shoot the buck. We watched the buck die,

1369
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: and we it there and talk about it for a

1370
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: little bit and then Duke and I drop like we

1371
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 1: drop off the hill and I hand the gun back

1372
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: to Cal and he continues to hunt. It's like having

1373
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 1: a having like in the old days, and you had

1374
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: a guy to carry your gun. Yeah. Yeah, So I

1375
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: had his gun for like maybe ten minutes. And this

1376
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: was an important deer too. It was the first morning,

1377
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 1: first day, and I mean got it right over with. Yeah,

1378
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: it was just like getting the ball rolling, you know,

1379
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: it was great. And then we hiked out of there,

1380
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 1: switched locations, so that was like right up the dos

1381
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 1: are cut outside of the ranch where you could drive

1382
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 1: if you had vehicles capable of getting there. But we

1383
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 1: just hiked out of the ranch. Um, which works great

1384
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 1: anyway other side of the creek or the other side

1385
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 1: of the creek, yeah, um. And then topped off her water,

1386
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: drove back up into the zone where I've gotten a

1387
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: couple of bucks now, and Seth found a great glass

1388
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 1: and knob that we hadn't been to before. And Seth

1389
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 1: spotted a buck that Duke wanted to go after. And

1390
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: and I'll give Duke a lot of credit here too,

1391
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 1: because the it was a you know, I mean, relocating

1392
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: after you move is a lot of times easier said

1393
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: than done. And he took off down our mountain, went

1394
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:36,600
Speaker 1: across the drainage started going up the other side, and

1395
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: he was like, okay, yeah, I got him. Okay, well

1396
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 1: that worked out. That take care of but also like

1397
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 1: very good decision making skills on on old Buck Duke's part,

1398
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 1: because he was like, that's a good buck, I'll shoot

1399
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 1: that one and off to the races essentially, so many alright,

1400
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 1: so real quick, what do you guys like? You guys

1401
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: like thumbs up, thumbs down on hunt? Who's her? Did

1402
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 1: you guys meet Jay Scott? Yeah? Yeah, Yeah, he's a

1403
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: good dude. What what's just uh what you guys about

1404
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 1: as much fun as you can have? What's your guys like, uh?

1405
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 1: Just one at a time there? I know where it's

1406
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 1: hard because your remote, But what's your give your sort

1407
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 1: of high level impressions of the whole deal? Um? I thought,

1408
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:28,759
Speaker 1: man between the country and and doing it in Mexico,

1409
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: like the folks down there on that ranch, um and

1410
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: that who's deer themselves, I thought it was about as

1411
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,759
Speaker 1: much fun as you can have on aunting trip. Honestly,

1412
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: I see why um guys try and do it every year.

1413
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: I loved it. Yeah, I would, I would echo Chase.

1414
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 1: I think just echoing what he said, and I personally

1415
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 1: enjoyed the the disconnectivity of the Hascian and all that

1416
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 1: you're kind of just only focused on the hunt, and

1417
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,640
Speaker 1: there's there's not a lot of service or electricity or

1418
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 1: anything to really distract you. So I felt like it's

1419
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 1: kind of freshing in a way to just focus purely

1420
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: on that. Matt. Matt speaking of the lack of electricity

1421
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:10,560
Speaker 1: and the lack of because the stuff. Well know that

1422
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: if you remember, the house is set up on a

1423
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 1: solar system, but the solar system has been um down.

1424
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 1: I think we've been there three years. I think it's

1425
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: been broken three years. And so like one day we

1426
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 1: had like an hour of electricity after dark, and then

1427
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:34,600
Speaker 1: the following six days it was just like you know,

1428
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: living back in the day flashlights and flashlightsh candle Duke,

1429
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 1: did you end up throwing a tape on the buck

1430
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: that you shot? You know, I haven't yet. I plan

1431
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 1: on doing that here in the next couple of days though,

1432
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 1: just just out of curiosity. Um, but I have not yet. Yeah,

1433
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 1: be interesting. It would be great to get Matt's as well,

1434
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 1: just is because Matt's is a little whiter, just just

1435
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: healthful references. Yeah, your honest buck is a great, great buck,

1436
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,759
Speaker 1: like the you know, he just like the frame visually

1437
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: everything is is uh kind of like that next class.

1438
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was badass, but he broke one of

1439
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: his antlers off. Yeah, and to me, I was like, oh,

1440
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: that's an awesome buck. That's an awesome buck. That we

1441
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: met up with some of J Scott's guys on the U.

1442
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 1: S side of the border. We had to drop some

1443
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: stuff off to him and they're like, boy, that would

1444
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 1: have been a good one because it was because it

1445
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:41,600
Speaker 1: was busted, really referencing the busted portion. But it was

1446
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 1: like kind of dismissed there. They're focused more on what's

1447
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 1: not there than what is there. Right, That was the

1448
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: way I took it anyway. Yeah. Well yeah, I'm I'm

1449
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 1: glad you guys are back. Man, I'm glad nothing too

1450
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: bad happened to you. I'm glad you got all all

1451
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 1: that action. That's good stuff, man, it's good stuff. Thanks.

1452
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 1: We'll trying to go next year. We'll let you shoot first. Yes,

1453
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 1: that's a good idea. It's still a magical trade, man,

1454
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: good one. That's great. Real dry this year, not much

1455
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's an interesting point to bring up. Becass

1456
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 1: has been there in years past. Uh, so dry that

1457
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: the oaks there. I don't know exactly what brand of

1458
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 1: oaks they are, Um, but it's a gambles, I don't

1459
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 1: think so, not lives or gambles. Well, I think it

1460
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 1: is a live oak. Is like a group of when

1461
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 1: when I just think of live oak, I just think

1462
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 1: of an oak that doesn't drop its leaves, you know,

1463
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: that has literally you know it actually more like I'm

1464
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: being a dumb I'm gonna cut that part out. It

1465
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,680
Speaker 1: acts like a cornifferous tree almost, like right, it just

1466
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: has green leaves year round. And uh, because I can't

1467
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: remember if the oaks at my in laws on the

1468
01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 1: coast North Carolina they call him five oaks, I can't

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Speaker 1: remember they drop them anyhow. Uh, probably fifty of the

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Speaker 1: oaks on these hillsides were red and brown with dry

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Speaker 1: brittle leads from drought yea. And interestingly, they weren't spending

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Speaker 1: any time on the yellow grassy hillsides like they like

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Speaker 1: to do feeding. Like if you saw them there. Cal

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Speaker 1: made a good point. It's just like they were just

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Speaker 1: traveling across it. And uh, we saw a deer full

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Speaker 1: on like on their hind legs. Matt actually saw my

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Speaker 1: buck just like on its hind legs feeding inside of

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01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: a small oak, just picking acorns off the oak um.

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Speaker 1: And then the man's anita also we realized produces some

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Speaker 1: sort of a berry or fruit they like to eat,

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Speaker 1: because we saw quite a few deer like just in

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Speaker 1: the man's needa head on the ground for five ten

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Speaker 1: minutes at a time, just slurping up something at the

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Speaker 1: base of those bushes. I'm glad you guys added to

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Speaker 1: the body and knowledge. Twenty one species of oak occur

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Speaker 1: in the Sonoran Desert region, so that kind yeah. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but here is the thing that we would be paying

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Speaker 1: attention to this year is good water years. They don't

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Speaker 1: need to drop any leaves, and they'll they'll stay green

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01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 1: and pour water years they'll shed their leaves and so

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01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 1: we definitely saw way more evidence those leaves turning and dropping.

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Speaker 1: So alright, boys, alright, first, like guys, thanks man. I

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01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 1: was bummed that you couldn't be up here. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know you weren't HERETI I walked in here and you

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01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 1: weren't here. I thought you were here. Yeah, I wish

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Speaker 1: I wish we could have made it, but hell of

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01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: a trip. Yeah, everybody's gotta get themselves some vaccines and whatnot,

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Speaker 1: and we'll we'll get together and talk about it. Alright, buddy,

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Speaker 1: cal will continue to dig in on this. I want

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Speaker 1: to cover more of this song. I want to talk

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01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 1: about the landback deal. Yeah, me too. It it'll be

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01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 1: it'll be a good conversation. We didn't get to talk

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01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:02,640
Speaker 1: about that giant colon when we talk about it on

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01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 1: an upcoming episode. What I'm gonna look into as part

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01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: of that conversation. Do you remember that, like supposedly Elvis's

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01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 1: colin was full all kind of cheeseburgers and stuff. You

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01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about? That was that I always

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01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 1: heard was it was? But it was John Wayne too.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't it all kinds of cheeseburgers? Yeah? Yeah, pack full

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01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: of burgers. I didn't know that. I do know that. Um,

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Speaker 1: you want to see you This is my concluding thought.

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Speaker 1: You want to see a freaking documentary. Have you watched

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01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 1: Five Came Back? That's the five different directors. It's it's

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01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 1: a documentary about five directors who were directors or became

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01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:48,680
Speaker 1: directors who served in world War two and about the

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01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: impacts of that on their careers. And then there's five

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01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 1: contemporary directors that are kind of telling like Spielberg and

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01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 1: are kind of telling the story of these individuals and

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01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 1: they're it's like heartbreaking, heartwarming. It's a phenomenal documentary. It's

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Speaker 1: about film, war everything. But in it it was pointed out,

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Speaker 1: you know, John Wayne did all those john Ford movies.

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Speaker 1: John Ford is one of the directors they cover. They

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Speaker 1: also cover the guy that did uh Um, Frank Coppa,

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01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 1: who did It's a Wonderful Life, which tanks so bad

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01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 1: at bankrupted the production company, which is crazy tanked tanked

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01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 1: It's a Wonderful Life. He lived to see it do

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Speaker 1: what it did. But john Ford, you know, made all

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Speaker 1: those movies that John Wayne. John Ford was a veteran.

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Speaker 1: John Wayne wasn't a veteran. And the movie talks about

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Speaker 1: how they used to kind of like humiliate on set.

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Speaker 1: All the veterans was kind of humiliate John Wayne, flying leathernecks,

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Speaker 1: always acting like he always playing these roles where he's

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01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,719
Speaker 1: like a soldier and a symbol for yeah, and he wasn't.

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01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:56,640
Speaker 1: And these dudes were and they tease him because they

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01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 1: said he didn't know how to salute right, never learned

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01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,559
Speaker 1: how to salute right. I thought it's a good movie, man,

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Speaker 1: all right, anybody, thank you, thank you, thank you, see you.

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Speaker 1: Fellas to you, guys, thanks guys, thanks guys, thank you,

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Speaker 1: see you guys. Skin