WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Moneytalk 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.519 Hike and everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:11.799 the Bengals Booth Podcast. The Come On, Come On, lesten 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:16.600 to the Money Talk edition as my broadcast partner Dave 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:20.400 Lapham and Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Butch Hopson joined 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.520 me to discuss the Bengals latest free agent acquisitions, the 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.400 current state of the offensive line, the brutal treatment that 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:32.519 Andy Dalton is getting from Chicago Bears fans, and answer 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:36.680 some of your ask Lap questions. The Bengals Booth Podcast 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.800 is presented by bud Light Seltzer. 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Before getting to this week's conversation with lap 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.600 Ann Butch, there was huge news in the NFL on 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:09.119 Friday that has a direct impact on the Bengals, as 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.600 the San Francisco forty nine ers made a trade with 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:16.000 Miami to acquire the number three pick in the NFL Draft. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.960 In addition to giving Miami the twelfth pick in this 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:23.600 year's draft, San Francisco coughed up two future first round 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:28.120 selections and a third rounder. Let's face it, you only 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.120 give up that kind of draft capital if you're going 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.359 to move up to select a quarterback. So what does 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:38.480 that mean for Cincinnati. Jacksonville is going to take quarterback 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.560 Trevor Lawrence number one overall. The Jets appear likely to 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:47.280 take quarterback Zach Wilson number two overall, meaning the forty 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:51.000 Niners would take Justin Fields, Trey Lance, or Mac Jones 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.000 to make it three quarterbacks in a row. Atlanta currently 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.800 has the fourth pick. No matter what the Falcons do, 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:02.919 Oregon offensive lineman a Sewel or LSU wide receiver Jamar 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.840 Chase would still be on the board at number five. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.880 Maybe both of them. Then again, perhaps a team needing 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.040 a quarterback would offer the Bengals a king's ransom for 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.720 the fifth pick. In any case, knowing that at least 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.160 three of the four teams picking ahead of them in 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.800 this year's draft are expected to take quarterbacks is a 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.760 great development for Cincinnati. We'll get to the draft in 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.040 my chat with Lappin Butch, but we start with free 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:34.639 agency Keillan. Since last week's podcast, the Bengals have added 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:38.600 two more free agents. They have signed cornerback Eli Apple 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.800 to a one year deal, the tenth pickback in the 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.520 two sixteen draft out of Ohio State. He hasn't lived 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.360 up to that draft status yet, but he doesn't turn 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:52.120 twenty six until August. They have reportedly signed safety Ricardo Allen, 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.880 who is twenty nine. He's spent all six of his 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:59.440 NFL seasons in Atlanta. A four time captain, he started 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.480 on a Super Bowl team. Let's get your reactions to 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.200 those two editions, Eli Apple and Ricardo Allen. Lap. You're 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.880 up first, Well, I think both of them are are 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.960 good signings for depth. You know, you have to You 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.839 obviously got your starters, but you have to have depth, 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.640 particularly at the cornerback position. We saw that last year. 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.800 There were some injuries. The Bengals dealt with that at 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.360 that position as well. Trey Waynees never took a snap, 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.360 and all I hope is that we never seen number 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.960 thirty eight Lashawn Simon again. Man, every time that kid 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:34.920 took the field, the ball was a magnet. It was 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.360 going right there. I mean, every coach just zeroed in 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.600 on him. So I hope the exit meeting with he 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.440 and Zach Taylor was Hey, Lashawn, thanks for everything, but 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.320 we're not bringing your back. You know. I mean I 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.599 think that you know, Eli Apple would be a huge 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.320 upgrade from what they had on the football field, you know, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.560 at the conclusion of the season for Sharre in terms 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.680 of depth, So and Ricardo Allen, smallish type guy, you know, 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.440 not a not a very big guy, but they say 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:04.320 one of those kind of guys that absolutely loves football. 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.480 Football is important to him. Football is the biggest thing 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.000 in his in his life, you know. And I don't 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:11.880 think you can have enough of those kind of guys. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.520 And you know the other free agents that they sign, 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.760 like Hendrickson. When you hear that guy, football is super 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:22.000 important to the guy. And so I think that Ricardo Allen, 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:26.120 Eli Apple, they'll be on that text chain of the 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.600 secondary with von Bell, Jesse Bates, all those guys that 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:31.839 are going to be getting ahead of the game. You 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.800 know in my mind that they possibly can because they're 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.960 coming from different systems. So there's only so many coverages 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:40.560 in so many ways you can play the coverage, but 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.279 there's a lot of different nomenclature. So the thing that 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.680 they have to get used to is the language. So 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.080 if Jesse Bates and Von Bell can get them up 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.159 to speed more quickly, the Killer Bees can get the 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.920 language out to all those guys. Whatever you call this, 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.560 it's now called that and they can you know, get 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:01.960 get a jump starting those kind of things. I think 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.560 I think that would help the back end to measurably. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.240 How about you. But you know, I mean I'm with 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.480 lap I like him both. The you know, the Eli 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:15.840 Apple signing kind of conjures up cornerbacks past uh pac Man, Jones, 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.800 Terrence Newman, guys who had they were on stops before 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:22.120 where things had soured on them and they revived their careers. 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:25.720 You know, maybe and Apples a lot younger than that, 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.120 but you know, he's had a you know, he's struggled. 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.080 But I think, you know, great, great chance for him 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.880 here to turn things around. I don't think Darius Phillips 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.440 should get all uh should get too upset. I think 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.440 he's a guy that you know, I think they're probably 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.120 looking at him this before, you know, they aren't looking 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.600 for Apple, I think, to come in and take over 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.760 for Phillips. I think they you know, maybe see some 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.520 competition there. I think Phillips is clearly the guy, in 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.560 my mind, would be the first guy off the bench. 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:54.440 You're playing behind the other three and Uh Alan I 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.599 think is uh, you know there's a guy that's you 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:01.040 can't you can't miss there, uh, six year veterans respected, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.919 you know, like Black said, small guy but feisty, you know, 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.120 between him and Hilton, I guess they're they're not very tall, 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.040 but they should bring a lot of fire, you know. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.360 And I guess the Alan signing it may preclude to 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.720 bring it back Sean Williams. It lose a lot of 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:20.000 experience with Sean, you know, on teams and everything, so 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.440 you know, hopefully Alan Alan can help fill that too. 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.840 You do get younger if it's Ricardo Allen in for 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.120 Sean Williams, since Allen is still in his twenties. You know, 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.040 my thought on these two signings is free agency is 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:37.480 not just a matter of trying to add really good players. 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.600 You know, that's clearly something you're trying to do, but 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:45.600 it's also trying to replace bad players with competent players. 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.800 And his lap mentioned Lashawn Sims really struggled last year. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.200 He started ten games, so he played a lot. His 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.920 Pro Football focus numbers were in the forties. You can't 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.200 have that. You've got to have your bottom line guys 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.760 closer to the sixties. And that's what you know, an 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.960 Eli Apple can give you as a depth piece or 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.480 Ricardo Allen can give you as a depth piece. And 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:13.160 I'm glad you mentioned Darius Phillips Butch because he has, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:17.400 you know, tweeted some cryptic things indicating he's not happy 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.200 about all of these additions they've made to the secondary. 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.280 And in a sense I get it. Is Pro Football 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:27.520 Focus rating last year was actually better than Will Jackson's. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.720 He was twenty second of the guys that had enough snaps. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:35.280 Will Jackson was twenty sixth. But like you said, these 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.520 guys are going to play. Darius Phillips, assuming he's healthy, 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:42.199 is going to get a ton of snaps. Cornerbacks are 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:46.240 little guys tackling big guys and guys that are sprinting 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.360 up and down the field every play, so they always 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.719 get hurt. It's impossible for a corner to be out 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.200 there one hundred percent of the time. You need depth, 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.560 and they have definitely upgraded their depth. Well, I think 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.120 you mentioned, you know, Will Jackson and Darius Phillips in 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.200 a comparison there, and I think the biggest thing with 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.440 both of those guys is inconsistency. You know, they both 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.720 they both will have lapses, you know, and Will's making 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.319 a fortune now and Darius Phillips is a lot more manageable. 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.400 And but you mentioned special teams, you know, and Darius 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.760 Phillips obviously has a big role there. But that's where 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.040 I think the Bengals got hit the most in this 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.000 free agency period is special teams. You know, they're able 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:34.960 to resign Clark, Harris, Kevin Huber, but glex Ericson goes 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.400 to Houston, Sethan Carter goes to Miami. A couple of 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.840 guys that big time for Darren Simmons. What's the common 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.640 denominator there? The new England Patriot factor, head coach of 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:49.360 the Dolphins, Patriot general manager of Houston, now Patriot organization. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.840 You know, the way they do their special teams under 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.280 Bill Belichick, there's a lot of similarity. There's a common denominator. 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:00.199 The special team's coach was the mentor at one time 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.880 for Darren Simmons, or they run the same type of system, 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.160 all that sort of thing. That's where I think they 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.760 get hurt a little bit. You know, Randy Bullock moves on. 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.800 Obviously he had his problems in the clutch, but you know, 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:15.439 he wasn't he wasn't terrible, but but boy, the kicks 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:19.000 that he missed were big. I mean, you just can't 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:20.280 you can't have it. I thought he was a real 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.480 pro the way he handled it after the fact that 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.199 some of those kicks you just can't miss. But so 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.360 I'm wondering, I'm wondering how many of these guys that 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.800 they signed will be able to step up and take 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.440 some of these roles and special teams or guys that 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.840 they've got on the foot on the football team currently 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.120 will fill some of these roles that you know, Sethan Carter, 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:43.280 Alex Erickson, guys like that field. And again, there's still 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.520 the draft, there's still free agency after June first and 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.200 all that. But I thought that the team, the teams 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.120 around the league, particularly with the new England Patriot connection, 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.240 really really respect what Darren Simmons does and went and 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.640 got some of his players because they're gonna fit be 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.000 able to fit their scheme very usually. I think the draft, 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:03.880 I mean, you know, they got to be combing that 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:08.199 for a returner because there's nobody behind Phillips apparently general 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.800 we know Phillips's history is uh, he'll put the ball 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.679 on the ground. And plus you know you mentioned a 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.800 two horty if Phillips is healthy. That's a big thing. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:18.840 I mean, I think you know, these guys like Darius, 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:20.959 but I mean it's you know, he's been, uh you 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:22.719 gotta go ease you on him during the week. He's 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.520 got the neat thing, and uh so you kind of 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.760 got to manage him a little bit physically, you know, 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:29.439 and that's why you had to go get like an 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.000 apple or somebody. You know. Believe me, if they had 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.560 thought Sean Sinons was going to start ten games when 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.480 they signed him, they probably would have would have been 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.880 guys leaping off the towers here at the stadium. But 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.520 that's you know, that's how that's how low they got. 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:46.240 Quickly after, after Wayne's got hurt, Phillips was whipping around. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.720 Will Jackson had had a concussion. I mean, you know, 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.320 you know some guys had COVID, so you know, suddenly 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.040 Jalen Davis was playing his first snaps of his life. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.480 You know, so you know, they really had to go back. 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.319 They had to, they had to beat that up. And 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:05.160 so you know the apple the apple thing with Phillips 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.720 is uh I think that and then he get Tony 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.480 Brown is maybe the sixth guy, which is probably about 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.000 you know, they probably feel pretty comfortable going in with that. 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.240 I think that Brandon Wilson signing is huge for the 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.960 reasons we're talking about too. You know, you can't afford 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.400 to lose Brandon Wilson, you know, one of the great 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.920 returners in the league. Uh, you know, and he was 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.640 out there all of Darren Simmons's pieces, you know, his 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:34.439 battery of Snapper Holder, you know Hunter, all those guys 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.359 were out there as well as his return guys, and 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.040 he lost some of them, He lost some of his 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.959 key pieces. But keeping Brandon Wilson was a big deal. 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.000 I think. Yeah, the thing with Darren, this is how 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.960 good Darren is he. You know, they avoided him losing 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:48.800 his second best player for the second year in a 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.080 row because Spederal and went to Miami last year. They lose, 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.280 They lose Spederal and he comes back and they finished 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.680 ninth according to the Football Outsiders. They finished finished ninth 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.360 in the special teams ranking. Atley lost his best player. 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.440 And that's why Darren is so good. He can I 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.080 had a feeling if we were the you know, if 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.560 we were the Gunners, He's still he still finished the 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.079 middle of the pack. Ain't much hit him. Pulling those 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.640 guns if we're gunners, but you know, you look at it, 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.600 Federalum and Stephen Carter back to back years, go to 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.080 Miami Special team stall Wars. Go to the head coach 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.880 who's new England background tells you all you need to 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.480 know about what he thinks of Darren Simmons as a 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.200 special team's coach. If we're the gunners, Huber better punted 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.400 out of bounds every single time. All right, let's move 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.439 on and look at this free agent group as a whole. 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.079 Of the seven guys that they've signed so far, Trey Hendrickson, 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.559 chit obey A Woge, Mike Hilton, Larry, Ogan, job Riley 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:50.559 reef Eli Apple, Ricardo Allen. Which of those guys, as 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.640 you're a favorite signing thus far, I go, it's a 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.600 tight contest between Larry. Oh, I'm not going to take 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.080 a shot of that name, Ogan, Joe not that tough 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.000 Ojan Joby because he just because but I know how 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.160 to spell it because I wrote it so many times 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.480 when he played, because he gave so many plays. But 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.360 and Hilton, I think Hilton is a really nice, uh 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.640 really nice add to the to the mix, just as 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:20.200 a just from his mentality. You know, I like Mike 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.400 Tomlin players. I've kind of gone up and I've had 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:26.480 a love hate relationship with Tomlin watching him coach. I 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.560 really think the last couple of years he's really uh 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:30.680 he's a help of coach, you know. So you're coming 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.520 out of that program, I think I think that will 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.720 help him putting a guy like Hilton in there. So 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:40.040 I Clario with a slight edge over Hilton, you know. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.200 I like the combination. I think that they were able 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.400 to handle. They're they're in the running for Galaday big time. 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.360 You know, a lot of these free agents are signing 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.560 one year deals and it has to be a good 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.280 one year deal for both parties. So the only way 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.280 it's a good one year deal for the team that's 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.160 signing is they're gonna they can't do anything with a 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.560 salary cap or you can't pro rate it or anything else, 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:06.280 so you and try to incentivize it. And the Bengals 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.200 are right and the run with the guy Gallady Galla, 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.560 they wanted to sign with the Bengals my understanding, and 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.280 the Giants made a longer term commitment to them, but 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.800 with the money that they didn't give Galladay, they got 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.320 Ogan Joe be In Reef. I'll take that. I'll take that. 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.520 In my mind, the offensive defensive line needed to be addressed, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.720 and by not going giving that money to Galladay, they 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.760 read big. Two words that the Bengals I think did 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:33.920 so well in free agency two p words patience and pivot. 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.160 They were like low post players. They were pivoting so much, 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.720 and they showed tremendous amount of patients, you know, to 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.720 boot and they didn't get, you know, all the smarts 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.800 when oh man, this didn't work out, what are we 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.600 gonna what are we gonna do? I mean here in 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.040 the U in the timeframe of March madness, they were 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.360 like a low post player. They were pivoting so much, 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.080 you know, And so they moved and they and they 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.560 signed Ogan Job and they signed Reef and you know, 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.960 needed to have somebody at that tackle position. I would 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.200 have loved to them have signed Zeidler. I know they 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.000 were in the hunt, but Baltimore offered more than they 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.160 were they were, you know, going to offer, and uh, 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.840 you know, I think I think Zieler probably would have 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.360 been okay coming back here, but Baltimore is a great 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.480 fifth for him. And that's the that's the signing. In 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.520 my mind, that cut away. But you know, if you 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.080 get Reef addressed the tackle position, he could always kick 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.840 in the guard. Ziler ain't going to kick out the tackle. 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.359 Zider is not going to give you the position versatility 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.280 that Reef gives you. So you know the fact that uh, 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:35.760 I like that, you know, addressing defensive lineman Ogan Joebian Reef, 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.920 but you know Hendrickson as well, I mean edge rusher. 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.280 My my thing was Paul Brown always built a team 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:47.240 from the inside out. As creative a thinker as he was, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.040 and with all of his offensive formations and schemes and 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.960 everything he knew, it started at the line of scrimmage. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.240 He his first pick ever with the Cincinnati Bengals, Bob 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.600 Johnson center, right in the middle of the offensive line. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.560 Built from the inside out. That was his whole mindset. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.640 So I have no problem with them addressed in lineman, 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.280 you know, defensive an offensive lineman. They finally got that 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:12.440 offensive lineman that took someone the pressure off in Riley Reef. Butch, 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.760 I'm going to agree with your pick. From my favorite 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.760 free agent signing thus far, it's Mike Hilton's my guy. 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:20.560 For a couple of reasons one, and I like the 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.560 fact that they got him for four years at a 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.600 pretty reasonable price. It's going to get six million dollars 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:27.199 a year, which is the most of any of the 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.280 slot corner free agents this year, so it's not like 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.560 he was super cheap. But still it's six million a year, 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.879 it's not ten plus. I think slot corner is a 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:41.680 hugely important position that you know, maybe is underrated in 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.760 terms of its importance. Those guys are on the field 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.199 now probably seventy five percent of the time, and I 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.159 think he is one of the very best in the NFL. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.480 He's a playmaker. What does this defense lacked in recent 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.280 year as a playmaker. Somebody that can come up with 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.160 an interception. He's got seven. Somebody that can say at 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.040 the quarterback from time to time. He's got nine and 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.680 a half. Somebody that can force fumbles. He's got a 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.959 few of those. I just really think that he adds 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.359 that element to this defense with the added bonus of 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.680 your stealing him from a division rival, which was also 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.560 the case with Ogan Job and I love anytime you 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.880 can do that. I think that's a good thing. Now, 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.720 that's a good call. I mean pressure, pressure, pressure, They 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.560 just haven't had it. I think the last three years 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.320 they've been the lowest in the leave in sacks. And 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.080 you get a guy in ojan Obie who's a hag 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.840 killed that again, sorry, but in Larry, you got a 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.080 guy in Larry. You got a guy when he was 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.320 playing kind of a free technique in Cleveland, and laugh 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:39.119 can speak it is probably better than I can. But 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.159 I think in eighteen and nineteen he was he was 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.920 playing nose, but he told me that he was kind 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:46.720 of he had a little bit more. It wasn't a 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.119 true nose. They played him at a two nose in 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.160 twenty and he didn't didn't play on third down. So 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.080 now he's going to be a pure he's gonna be 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.280 at his actual position, a pure three technique, you know. 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:58.679 And if you can get six, you know, if he 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.399 could get six seven sacks out of a guy like that, 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.359 that's uh, you know, that's uh, that's huge. And I 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.679 and I, uh, it's interesting. Lat brought up Henderson and 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.520 you know this is why you know, Pro Football Focus 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.000 is great, love Pro Football Focus, but clearly the Bengals 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:19.040 scouts have got it completely different than PFF. They've got 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:23.560 you know, Henderson Mark really below Karl Lawson and why 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:25.760 they have high regards the Lawson. I think they feel 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.679 like and Lap mentioned this on the previous on the 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.680 podcast last week, I think Bablieve Henderson is a better 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.720 all around player. He's bigger, and he's bigger against the run. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:36.720 But it's amazing how you have these two things. You know, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.600 our Pro Football Focus just kills the deal. But that's 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:41.679 the guy to Bengals really when you match it up, 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.760 they would you know, Lawson grated so much better in PFF, 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:46.399 but I think the Bengals feel like they get the 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:50.199 better all around player from the football instinct standpoint. You know, 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.879 Carl Lawson is a great athlete, but from football instincts, 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.560 just okay, that guy's a ball player. That guy sees things, 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.359 that guy's there even before it happened, and you know 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.560 kind of thing. He's just a football player. I think 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.760 Henderson's more of a quote football player in terms of seeing, 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.719 seeing the game, understanding the game and and all that 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.600 sort of thing. Lawson has some great physical tools, There's 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.120 no question about it. He's you know, he's this explosive, 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.520 uh you know, his first step quickness, his studdenness, all 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.640 that stuff. But I think they are getting a more 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.680 complete football player, and I do agree with you guys. 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.719 Ogan Joby was like the ast knows, you know, they 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:32.720 put him in a gap and they let him penetrate 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:36.120 some and to me, hilt in the same way when 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.680 you can invert the line of scrimmage. As a former alignman, 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.160 guys that used to like worry me to death were 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:44.960 guys that would you know, line up in gaps or 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.760 be able to jump across your face with quickness and 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.840 get penetration because now all of a sudden you can't 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:56.520 attack with as much you know, uh, force and authority, 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.720 because man, you're warning, where's this guy going? What's he doing? 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.159 Those guys, those quick guys, they're tough to deal with, 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:04.399 and they can invert the line of scrimmage on you 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.840 the wrong way. So, Ogan Joby, you know, when you 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.840 have a guy from a slot corner who can invert 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.800 the line of scrimmage on you, you know, on running backs, 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.320