1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Hike and everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The Come On, Come On, lesten 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: to the Money Talk edition as my broadcast partner Dave 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Lapham and Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Butch Hopson joined 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: me to discuss the Bengals latest free agent acquisitions, the 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: current state of the offensive line, the brutal treatment that 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton is getting from Chicago Bears fans, and answer 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: some of your ask Lap questions. The Bengals Booth Podcast 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: is presented by bud Light Seltzer. 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If you're not familiar 19 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: with the character or the show, ted Lasso is an 20 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: American football coach who becomes the head coach or manager 21 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 1: of a Premier league soccer team. It's obviously a fish 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: out of water comedy, but ted Lasso is one of 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: the most endearing, cheerful characters on TV. He knows nothing 24 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: about soccer but plenty about coaching, and the result is 25 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: a show that's both funny and uplifting. If you don't 26 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: have Apple TV, I think it's about five bucks a month, 27 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: so you can always cancel after watching Ted Lasso if 28 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: you want to. Plus, you can decide who has the 29 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: better mustache, ted Lasso or Giovanni Bernard. Now let's get 30 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: to football. Before getting to this week's conversation with lap 31 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: Ann Butch, there was huge news in the NFL on 32 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: Friday that has a direct impact on the Bengals, as 33 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine ers made a trade with 34 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: Miami to acquire the number three pick in the NFL Draft. 35 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: In addition to giving Miami the twelfth pick in this 36 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: year's draft, San Francisco coughed up two future first round 37 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: selections and a third rounder. Let's face it, you only 38 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: give up that kind of draft capital if you're going 39 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: to move up to select a quarterback. So what does 40 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: that mean for Cincinnati. Jacksonville is going to take quarterback 41 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence number one overall. The Jets appear likely to 42 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: take quarterback Zach Wilson number two overall, meaning the forty 43 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: Niners would take Justin Fields, Trey Lance, or Mac Jones 44 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: to make it three quarterbacks in a row. Atlanta currently 45 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: has the fourth pick. No matter what the Falcons do, 46 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: Oregon offensive lineman a Sewel or LSU wide receiver Jamar 47 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: Chase would still be on the board at number five. 48 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: Maybe both of them. Then again, perhaps a team needing 49 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback would offer the Bengals a king's ransom for 50 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: the fifth pick. In any case, knowing that at least 51 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: three of the four teams picking ahead of them in 52 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: this year's draft are expected to take quarterbacks is a 53 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: great development for Cincinnati. We'll get to the draft in 54 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: my chat with Lappin Butch, but we start with free 55 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: agency Keillan. Since last week's podcast, the Bengals have added 56 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: two more free agents. They have signed cornerback Eli Apple 57 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: to a one year deal, the tenth pickback in the 58 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: two sixteen draft out of Ohio State. He hasn't lived 59 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: up to that draft status yet, but he doesn't turn 60 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: twenty six until August. They have reportedly signed safety Ricardo Allen, 61 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: who is twenty nine. He's spent all six of his 62 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: NFL seasons in Atlanta. A four time captain, he started 63 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: on a Super Bowl team. Let's get your reactions to 64 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: those two editions, Eli Apple and Ricardo Allen. Lap. You're 65 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: up first, Well, I think both of them are are 66 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: good signings for depth. You know, you have to You 67 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 1: obviously got your starters, but you have to have depth, 68 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: particularly at the cornerback position. We saw that last year. 69 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: There were some injuries. The Bengals dealt with that at 70 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: that position as well. Trey Waynees never took a snap, 71 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: and all I hope is that we never seen number 72 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: thirty eight Lashawn Simon again. Man, every time that kid 73 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: took the field, the ball was a magnet. It was 74 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: going right there. I mean, every coach just zeroed in 75 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: on him. So I hope the exit meeting with he 76 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: and Zach Taylor was Hey, Lashawn, thanks for everything, but 77 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: we're not bringing your back. You know. I mean I 78 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: think that you know, Eli Apple would be a huge 79 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: upgrade from what they had on the football field, you know, 80 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: at the conclusion of the season for Sharre in terms 81 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: of depth, So and Ricardo Allen, smallish type guy, you know, 82 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: not a not a very big guy, but they say 83 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: one of those kind of guys that absolutely loves football. 84 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: Football is important to him. Football is the biggest thing 85 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: in his in his life, you know. And I don't 86 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: think you can have enough of those kind of guys. 87 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: And you know the other free agents that they sign, 88 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: like Hendrickson. When you hear that guy, football is super 89 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: important to the guy. And so I think that Ricardo Allen, 90 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: Eli Apple, they'll be on that text chain of the 91 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: secondary with von Bell, Jesse Bates, all those guys that 92 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: are going to be getting ahead of the game. You 93 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: know in my mind that they possibly can because they're 94 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: coming from different systems. So there's only so many coverages 95 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: in so many ways you can play the coverage, but 96 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: there's a lot of different nomenclature. So the thing that 97 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: they have to get used to is the language. So 98 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: if Jesse Bates and Von Bell can get them up 99 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: to speed more quickly, the Killer Bees can get the 100 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: language out to all those guys. Whatever you call this, 101 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: it's now called that and they can you know, get 102 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: get a jump starting those kind of things. I think 103 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: I think that would help the back end to measurably. 104 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: How about you. But you know, I mean I'm with 105 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: lap I like him both. The you know, the Eli 106 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: Apple signing kind of conjures up cornerbacks past uh pac Man, Jones, 107 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: Terrence Newman, guys who had they were on stops before 108 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: where things had soured on them and they revived their careers. 109 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: You know, maybe and Apples a lot younger than that, 110 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: but you know, he's had a you know, he's struggled. 111 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: But I think, you know, great, great chance for him 112 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: here to turn things around. I don't think Darius Phillips 113 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: should get all uh should get too upset. I think 114 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: he's a guy that you know, I think they're probably 115 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: looking at him this before, you know, they aren't looking 116 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: for Apple, I think, to come in and take over 117 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: for Phillips. I think they you know, maybe see some 118 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: competition there. I think Phillips is clearly the guy, in 119 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: my mind, would be the first guy off the bench. 120 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: You're playing behind the other three and Uh Alan I 121 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: think is uh, you know there's a guy that's you 122 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: can't you can't miss there, uh, six year veterans respected, 123 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: you know, like Black said, small guy but feisty, you know, 124 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: between him and Hilton, I guess they're they're not very tall, 125 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: but they should bring a lot of fire, you know. 126 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: And I guess the Alan signing it may preclude to 127 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: bring it back Sean Williams. It lose a lot of 128 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: experience with Sean, you know, on teams and everything, so 129 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, hopefully Alan Alan can help fill that too. 130 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: You do get younger if it's Ricardo Allen in for 131 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: Sean Williams, since Allen is still in his twenties. You know, 132 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: my thought on these two signings is free agency is 133 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: not just a matter of trying to add really good players. 134 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: You know, that's clearly something you're trying to do, but 135 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: it's also trying to replace bad players with competent players. 136 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: And his lap mentioned Lashawn Sims really struggled last year. 137 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: He started ten games, so he played a lot. His 138 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: Pro Football focus numbers were in the forties. You can't 139 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: have that. You've got to have your bottom line guys 140 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: closer to the sixties. And that's what you know, an 141 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: Eli Apple can give you as a depth piece or 142 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: Ricardo Allen can give you as a depth piece. And 143 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned Darius Phillips Butch because he has, 144 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: you know, tweeted some cryptic things indicating he's not happy 145 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: about all of these additions they've made to the secondary. 146 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: And in a sense I get it. Is Pro Football 147 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: Focus rating last year was actually better than Will Jackson's. 148 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: He was twenty second of the guys that had enough snaps. 149 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: Will Jackson was twenty sixth. But like you said, these 150 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: guys are going to play. Darius Phillips, assuming he's healthy, 151 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: is going to get a ton of snaps. Cornerbacks are 152 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: little guys tackling big guys and guys that are sprinting 153 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: up and down the field every play, so they always 154 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: get hurt. It's impossible for a corner to be out 155 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: there one hundred percent of the time. You need depth, 156 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: and they have definitely upgraded their depth. Well, I think 157 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know, Will Jackson and Darius Phillips in 158 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: a comparison there, and I think the biggest thing with 159 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: both of those guys is inconsistency. You know, they both 160 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: they both will have lapses, you know, and Will's making 161 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: a fortune now and Darius Phillips is a lot more manageable. 162 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: And but you mentioned special teams, you know, and Darius 163 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: Phillips obviously has a big role there. But that's where 164 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: I think the Bengals got hit the most in this 165 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: free agency period is special teams. You know, they're able 166 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: to resign Clark, Harris, Kevin Huber, but glex Ericson goes 167 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: to Houston, Sethan Carter goes to Miami. A couple of 168 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: guys that big time for Darren Simmons. What's the common 169 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: denominator there? The new England Patriot factor, head coach of 170 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: the Dolphins, Patriot general manager of Houston, now Patriot organization. 171 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: You know, the way they do their special teams under 172 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, there's a lot of similarity. There's a common denominator. 173 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: The special team's coach was the mentor at one time 174 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: for Darren Simmons, or they run the same type of system, 175 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: all that sort of thing. That's where I think they 176 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: get hurt a little bit. You know, Randy Bullock moves on. 177 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: Obviously he had his problems in the clutch, but you know, 178 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: he wasn't he wasn't terrible, but but boy, the kicks 179 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: that he missed were big. I mean, you just can't 180 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: you can't have it. I thought he was a real 181 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: pro the way he handled it after the fact that 182 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: some of those kicks you just can't miss. But so 183 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, I'm wondering how many of these guys that 184 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: they signed will be able to step up and take 185 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: some of these roles and special teams or guys that 186 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: they've got on the foot on the football team currently 187 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: will fill some of these roles that you know, Sethan Carter, 188 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: Alex Erickson, guys like that field. And again, there's still 189 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: the draft, there's still free agency after June first and 190 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: all that. But I thought that the team, the teams 191 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: around the league, particularly with the new England Patriot connection, 192 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: really really respect what Darren Simmons does and went and 193 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: got some of his players because they're gonna fit be 194 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: able to fit their scheme very usually. I think the draft, 195 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they got to be combing that 196 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: for a returner because there's nobody behind Phillips apparently general 197 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: we know Phillips's history is uh, he'll put the ball 198 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: on the ground. And plus you know you mentioned a 199 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: two horty if Phillips is healthy. That's a big thing. 200 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you know, these guys like Darius, 201 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: but I mean it's you know, he's been, uh you 202 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: gotta go ease you on him during the week. He's 203 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: got the neat thing, and uh so you kind of 204 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: got to manage him a little bit physically, you know, 205 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: and that's why you had to go get like an 206 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: apple or somebody. You know. Believe me, if they had 207 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: thought Sean Sinons was going to start ten games when 208 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: they signed him, they probably would have would have been 209 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: guys leaping off the towers here at the stadium. But 210 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's how that's how low they got. 211 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: Quickly after, after Wayne's got hurt, Phillips was whipping around. 212 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: Will Jackson had had a concussion. I mean, you know, 213 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: you know some guys had COVID, so you know, suddenly 214 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: Jalen Davis was playing his first snaps of his life. 215 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: You know, so you know, they really had to go back. 216 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: They had to, they had to beat that up. And 217 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: so you know the apple the apple thing with Phillips 218 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: is uh I think that and then he get Tony 219 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: Brown is maybe the sixth guy, which is probably about 220 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, they probably feel pretty comfortable going in with that. 221 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: I think that Brandon Wilson signing is huge for the 222 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: reasons we're talking about too. You know, you can't afford 223 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: to lose Brandon Wilson, you know, one of the great 224 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: returners in the league. Uh, you know, and he was 225 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: out there all of Darren Simmons's pieces, you know, his 226 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: battery of Snapper Holder, you know Hunter, all those guys 227 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,359 Speaker 1: were out there as well as his return guys, and 228 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: he lost some of them, He lost some of his 229 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: key pieces. But keeping Brandon Wilson was a big deal. 230 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, the thing with Darren, this is how 231 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: good Darren is he. You know, they avoided him losing 232 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: his second best player for the second year in a 233 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: row because Spederal and went to Miami last year. They lose, 234 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: They lose Spederal and he comes back and they finished 235 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: ninth according to the Football Outsiders. They finished finished ninth 236 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: in the special teams ranking. Atley lost his best player. 237 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: And that's why Darren is so good. He can I 238 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: had a feeling if we were the you know, if 239 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: we were the Gunners, He's still he still finished the 240 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: middle of the pack. Ain't much hit him. Pulling those 241 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: guns if we're gunners, but you know, you look at it, 242 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: Federalum and Stephen Carter back to back years, go to 243 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: Miami Special team stall Wars. Go to the head coach 244 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: who's new England background tells you all you need to 245 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: know about what he thinks of Darren Simmons as a 246 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: special team's coach. If we're the gunners, Huber better punted 247 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: out of bounds every single time. All right, let's move 248 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: on and look at this free agent group as a whole. 249 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: Of the seven guys that they've signed so far, Trey Hendrickson, 250 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: chit obey A Woge, Mike Hilton, Larry, Ogan, job Riley 251 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: reef Eli Apple, Ricardo Allen. Which of those guys, as 252 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: you're a favorite signing thus far, I go, it's a 253 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: tight contest between Larry. Oh, I'm not going to take 254 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: a shot of that name, Ogan, Joe not that tough 255 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: Ojan Joby because he just because but I know how 256 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: to spell it because I wrote it so many times 257 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: when he played, because he gave so many plays. But 258 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: and Hilton, I think Hilton is a really nice, uh 259 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: really nice add to the to the mix, just as 260 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: a just from his mentality. You know, I like Mike 261 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: Tomlin players. I've kind of gone up and I've had 262 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: a love hate relationship with Tomlin watching him coach. I 263 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: really think the last couple of years he's really uh 264 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: he's a help of coach, you know. So you're coming 265 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: out of that program, I think I think that will 266 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: help him putting a guy like Hilton in there. So 267 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: I Clario with a slight edge over Hilton, you know. 268 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: I like the combination. I think that they were able 269 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: to handle. They're they're in the running for Galaday big time. 270 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of these free agents are signing 271 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: one year deals and it has to be a good 272 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: one year deal for both parties. So the only way 273 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: it's a good one year deal for the team that's 274 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: signing is they're gonna they can't do anything with a 275 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: salary cap or you can't pro rate it or anything else, 276 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: so you and try to incentivize it. And the Bengals 277 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: are right and the run with the guy Gallady Galla, 278 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: they wanted to sign with the Bengals my understanding, and 279 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: the Giants made a longer term commitment to them, but 280 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: with the money that they didn't give Galladay, they got 281 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: Ogan Joe be In Reef. I'll take that. I'll take that. 282 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: In my mind, the offensive defensive line needed to be addressed, 283 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: and by not going giving that money to Galladay, they 284 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: read big. Two words that the Bengals I think did 285 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: so well in free agency two p words patience and pivot. 286 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: They were like low post players. They were pivoting so much, 287 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: and they showed tremendous amount of patients, you know, to 288 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: boot and they didn't get, you know, all the smarts 289 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: when oh man, this didn't work out, what are we 290 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: gonna what are we gonna do? I mean here in 291 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: the U in the timeframe of March madness, they were 292 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: like a low post player. They were pivoting so much, 293 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, And so they moved and they and they 294 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: signed Ogan Job and they signed Reef and you know, 295 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: needed to have somebody at that tackle position. I would 296 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: have loved to them have signed Zeidler. I know they 297 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: were in the hunt, but Baltimore offered more than they 298 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: were they were, you know, going to offer, and uh, 299 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, I think I think Zieler probably would have 300 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: been okay coming back here, but Baltimore is a great 301 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: fifth for him. And that's the that's the signing. In 302 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: my mind, that cut away. But you know, if you 303 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: get Reef addressed the tackle position, he could always kick 304 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: in the guard. Ziler ain't going to kick out the tackle. 305 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,359 Speaker 1: Zider is not going to give you the position versatility 306 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: that Reef gives you. So you know the fact that uh, 307 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: I like that, you know, addressing defensive lineman Ogan Joebian Reef, 308 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: but you know Hendrickson as well, I mean edge rusher. 309 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: My my thing was Paul Brown always built a team 310 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: from the inside out. As creative a thinker as he was, 311 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: and with all of his offensive formations and schemes and 312 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: everything he knew, it started at the line of scrimmage. 313 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: He his first pick ever with the Cincinnati Bengals, Bob 314 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: Johnson center, right in the middle of the offensive line. 315 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: Built from the inside out. That was his whole mindset. 316 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: So I have no problem with them addressed in lineman, 317 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, defensive an offensive lineman. They finally got that 318 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: offensive lineman that took someone the pressure off in Riley Reef. Butch, 319 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to agree with your pick. From my favorite 320 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: free agent signing thus far, it's Mike Hilton's my guy. 321 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: For a couple of reasons one, and I like the 322 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: fact that they got him for four years at a 323 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: pretty reasonable price. It's going to get six million dollars 324 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: a year, which is the most of any of the 325 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: slot corner free agents this year, so it's not like 326 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: he was super cheap. But still it's six million a year, 327 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: it's not ten plus. I think slot corner is a 328 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: hugely important position that you know, maybe is underrated in 329 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: terms of its importance. Those guys are on the field 330 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: now probably seventy five percent of the time, and I 331 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: think he is one of the very best in the NFL. 332 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: He's a playmaker. What does this defense lacked in recent 333 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: year as a playmaker. Somebody that can come up with 334 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: an interception. He's got seven. Somebody that can say at 335 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: the quarterback from time to time. He's got nine and 336 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: a half. Somebody that can force fumbles. He's got a 337 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 1: few of those. I just really think that he adds 338 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: that element to this defense with the added bonus of 339 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: your stealing him from a division rival, which was also 340 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: the case with Ogan Job and I love anytime you 341 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: can do that. I think that's a good thing. Now, 342 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: that's a good call. I mean pressure, pressure, pressure, They 343 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: just haven't had it. I think the last three years 344 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: they've been the lowest in the leave in sacks. And 345 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: you get a guy in ojan Obie who's a hag 346 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: killed that again, sorry, but in Larry, you got a 347 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: guy in Larry. You got a guy when he was 348 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: playing kind of a free technique in Cleveland, and laugh 349 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: can speak it is probably better than I can. But 350 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: I think in eighteen and nineteen he was he was 351 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: playing nose, but he told me that he was kind 352 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: of he had a little bit more. It wasn't a 353 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: true nose. They played him at a two nose in 354 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: twenty and he didn't didn't play on third down. So 355 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: now he's going to be a pure he's gonna be 356 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: at his actual position, a pure three technique, you know. 357 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: And if you can get six, you know, if he 358 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: could get six seven sacks out of a guy like that, 359 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: that's uh, you know, that's uh, that's huge. And I 360 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: and I, uh, it's interesting. Lat brought up Henderson and 361 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: you know this is why you know, Pro Football Focus 362 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: is great, love Pro Football Focus, but clearly the Bengals 363 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: scouts have got it completely different than PFF. They've got 364 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, Henderson Mark really below Karl Lawson and why 365 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: they have high regards the Lawson. I think they feel 366 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: like and Lap mentioned this on the previous on the 367 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: podcast last week, I think Bablieve Henderson is a better 368 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: all around player. He's bigger, and he's bigger against the run. 369 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: But it's amazing how you have these two things. You know, 370 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: our Pro Football Focus just kills the deal. But that's 371 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: the guy to Bengals really when you match it up, 372 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: they would you know, Lawson grated so much better in PFF, 373 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: but I think the Bengals feel like they get the 374 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: better all around player from the football instinct standpoint. You know, 375 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: Carl Lawson is a great athlete, but from football instincts, 376 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: just okay, that guy's a ball player. That guy sees things, 377 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: that guy's there even before it happened, and you know 378 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: kind of thing. He's just a football player. I think 379 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: Henderson's more of a quote football player in terms of seeing, 380 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 1: seeing the game, understanding the game and and all that 381 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: sort of thing. Lawson has some great physical tools, There's 382 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: no question about it. He's you know, he's this explosive, 383 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: uh you know, his first step quickness, his studdenness, all 384 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: that stuff. But I think they are getting a more 385 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: complete football player, and I do agree with you guys. 386 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: Ogan Joby was like the ast knows, you know, they 387 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: put him in a gap and they let him penetrate 388 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: some and to me, hilt in the same way when 389 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: you can invert the line of scrimmage. As a former alignman, 390 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: guys that used to like worry me to death were 391 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: guys that would you know, line up in gaps or 392 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: be able to jump across your face with quickness and 393 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: get penetration because now all of a sudden you can't 394 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: attack with as much you know, uh, force and authority, 395 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: because man, you're warning, where's this guy going? What's he doing? 396 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: Those guys, those quick guys, they're tough to deal with, 397 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: and they can invert the line of scrimmage on you 398 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: the wrong way. So, Ogan Joby, you know, when you 399 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: have a guy from a slot corner who can invert 400 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage on you, you know, on running backs, 401 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: on you know, matchups that favored him potentially as a 402 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: pass rusher, and he's inverting the line of scrimmage and 403 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: pressure in the quarterback. Not only is Sacks has tackle philosop, 404 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: he's got a number of those, you know, in the 405 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: running game. I mean he's he's made He's made a 406 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: lot of negative plays, which are positive plays for the defense, 407 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: negative plays to the offense. He's been responsible for a 408 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: lot of those. And if they can get players that 409 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: fit that attack mode, you know, and attack more. In 410 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: my mind, football is punch, counter punch. Who's punching, who's 411 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: doing the counter punching, you know, And I think defensively 412 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: we've had we've had the CounterPunch too much. Maybe we 413 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: can start punching a little bit more. And it's like 414 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: you said on Hendrickson, and I've used this barge a 415 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: quote and I have credited you thirteen and a half sacks. 416 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: It's thirteen and a half secs. He got him, Yeah, 417 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: no matter. I mean he was surrounded by great people, 418 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: and he was playing with the lead with Drew Brees 419 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: a quarterback. I mean there are a lot of factors there. 420 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: I'm in a situation, you know, all he has to 421 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: do any enough to worry about defending the run. Just 422 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: rushed the passer in a lot of these down and 423 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: distance situations. But the fact is he still generated thirteen 424 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: and a half sacks. He still was the guy that 425 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: got it done. All right? Next question, and Lap, you 426 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: may have already answered this one with your mention of 427 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: Kevin Zeitler, But is there a deal that another team 428 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: gave a free agent that you wish that Bengals had done? 429 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: What you go first? On this one. I was kind 430 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: of with Lap about Zeitler, but we made after the draft. 431 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: We may forget about that Zeitler depending on where the 432 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: offensive line settles. But yeah, that was one. But I 433 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: also when they when the Raiders signed John But why 434 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: did receive John Brown for three point seven five? No 435 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: for a year? You know, guy that can stretch the 436 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: field probably exactly what with Ross gone on an AJN, 437 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: probably exactly what they needed. Would have liked to have 438 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: seen that, but who knows. There's some other guys out 439 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: there too that I think they're looking at. But you know, 440 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: that would have been would have been nice. Yeah, I'm 441 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: going to stay with the Zeiler deal because I agree 442 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: even if I signed Zeidler, I still would address Garden 443 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: tackling the draft. I hope they still do still a 444 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: draft address addressed tackling Garden the draft. But I think 445 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: Zeiler would have come back here. I think you would 446 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: have done a good job here And to your point earlier, Dan, 447 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: he went to a division rival. So you know, the 448 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: last place you'd like to see a guy that maybe 449 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: you thought could help you go is to go help 450 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: somebody that's you know, a playoff team in your division. 451 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: And he fits Baltimore scheme perfectly because in my mind, 452 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: he's a better run blocker than a pass protector. He's 453 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: not terrible in pass protection. He only gave up you know, 454 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: two sacks last year. You know, he six hundred and 455 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: thirty snaps, gave up two sacks twenty eight pressures. That's 456 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: pretty damn good. But with that gap running game and 457 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson, you know, run the ball as well 458 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: as the running backs. They have that big old brute 459 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: man with the gap and pulling. He's a good puller. 460 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,239 Speaker 1: He fits their scheme perfectly. So when he ended up 461 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: going to Baltimore's, like god damn, not only didn't we 462 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: get him, he went somewhere that is a perfect marriage 463 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: for both parties. You know, but the Ravens paid him more, 464 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, I mean money talks, no matter why what 465 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: the situation. Do we know for a fact that the 466 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: Bengals weren't close on that dollar figure. I mean, where 467 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: the Bengals willing to pay roughly as much seven million 468 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: a year, and and Kevin Zeitler said, you know what, 469 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: this is the offense and the team I want to 470 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: play with. I don't know the answer to that question. 471 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: I heard. I heard that the Ravens definitely offered more money. 472 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: I don't think it was crazy more, but it was 473 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: more money. So you say more money plus like you said, 474 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: and we mentioned earlier, there's scheme the teams in the playoffs. 475 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, why why would you not go 476 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: there if they offer If they offer you, I don't 477 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: I don't care how much more. If it's if it's 478 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: a little a little bit more money and what they 479 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: have on the table. I could see where he'd make 480 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: that decision. I was gonna ask Lapis and I was 481 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: gonna ask lapp a question when it came when when 482 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: it comes to pass protection, where would you put Zeitler 483 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 1: compared to Spain quintin Spain with the with the Bengals, 484 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: have you reportedly resigned Spain is a much bigger body guy, 485 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, much thicker, bigger, let's get good feet. I 486 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: think that gives him, you know, a little bit of 487 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: an edge in protection. Um, I don't. I don't see 488 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: Zeiler having an advantage. I see Zier having an advantage, 489 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, in movement went as a point guard and 490 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, and and and angle blocking and 491 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: you know things that That's why I say, man, uh, 492 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: he's basically on the lineup. They struggled to replace Marshall 493 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: Yonda at right guard. When Yonda retired. They think, now 494 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: they've got a guy. They're not saying I'm not saying 495 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't think they're saying that it's going to be 496 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: a future Hall of Famer like Marshall Yonda, but he's 497 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: a damn good player. Kevin zeit was a solid player well. 498 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: With Roddie Stanley back and Kevin Zeitler added and Orlando 499 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: Brown moving back to the right side, that is a 500 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: mighty offensive line again, so look out for the Ravens. So, 501 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: speaking of the Bengals offensive line, They've signed Riley Reef, 502 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: they are bringing back Clinton Spain. Are they done spending 503 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: on the offensive line or is there still maybe a 504 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: guard out there that they would try to get on 505 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: a cheapo one year deal? Lap What do you think 506 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that if there's anybody that they'd they 507 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: probably purchased at this point in time, I think they're 508 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: almost they're probably they probably almost exhausted their cap. You know, 509 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: to be able to go out and give a veteran 510 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: player of any substance would probably require more than they've got. 511 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: You know. That's why people are, oh, man, this Giovanni 512 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: Bernard potential trade rumor boll that's a four million dollar 513 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: cap saving that would add more money to the kitty 514 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: to continue some of their free agency signings and their 515 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: roster purge. I mean, you look at it right now, 516 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,239 Speaker 1: going into the draft, before the draft, and then June one, 517 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a bunch of other players cut. There's 518 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: still gonna be a bunch of cuts that are gonna happen. 519 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: You watch these one year deals, They're gonna be happening 520 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: left and right. Maybe then they can maybe go out 521 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: and get a guy for one year, you know, a 522 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: one year proven deal. So many guys are saying, terrible 523 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: year to be a free agent. I'll just do a 524 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: one year and bet on meat deal. They've only got 525 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: five starters the last game of the season on the 526 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: depth chart for January fourth to twenty twenty one, there 527 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: are five starters left, six new players, and defensively there 528 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: are four starters left, seven new players. And that's before 529 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: the draft and then maybe other potential free agency after 530 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: the June first, uh, you know date when other other cuts. 531 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: A lot of blood is gonna flow on that, on 532 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: that data around in the league as well. It's not 533 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: it's not an impossibility, but I think it's it's probably 534 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: a little probable. Trade turner, Larry Warford, Collecchi, Assembly, any 535 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: anybody interest you butch all those guys, But I don't 536 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: know are they you know, they've all they've all had 537 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: pretty good careers. I'm not sure where they are where 538 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: they are now. And I think Lap touched on this 539 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: last week too, is they looked at these people that 540 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: were out there and maybe for two and a half 541 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: guys maybe, but for two and a half guys, one 542 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: of them being funny, they thought the people on the 543 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: market were, you know, were significantly better than what they've 544 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: got a guard. You know, I'm just not sure that 545 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: they feel like there's a huge now. I I you know, 546 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: when things, you know, I think things change. When I 547 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: think they have their eyes on guys who are still 548 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: under contract, but who they are expected to get whacked 549 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: that not only a guard but also at wide receiver. 550 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: I don't think they've signed their last guy, and I 551 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: think they'll probably sign the receiver. And I agree, I 552 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: think I think that they're the guys you mentioned Dan. 553 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: Obviously they're all attractive, but man, they're wanting. They're wanting 554 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: more money than the banks are able to offer right now. 555 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: As free agency extends goes on, prices are going to 556 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: come down. You know who's going to come down the 557 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: furthest who's going to come down the most. So, you know, 558 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: I think they're still going to grind. I don't think 559 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: they're packing up shop, but I don't I don't think 560 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: they find they see a fit yet at this point 561 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: in time where they would they would pull the trigger 562 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: and they might, you know, say let's see what we 563 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: get in the draft, Let's see what happens. And you 564 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: know that that now you're go into the draft with 565 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: a much different look and idea than before free agency 566 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: with all these signings that you've had, you know, with 567 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: your defensive depth and some starters, and you know you've 568 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: address one position offensively, your right tackle position potential, but 569 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: depending on what you get in the draft, you might 570 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: be able to kick him inside the guard Riley Reef. 571 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: Who knows. So you go into each phase that with 572 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: a different mindset after you've done operating in the particular 573 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: phase that you're in. Ryan Kerrigan visited on Thursday without 574 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: a deal getting done. Then Tom Pallisero reported that the 575 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: Bengals were fielding calls on Giovanni Bernard possibility of trading him, 576 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: as Lamp mentioned a free up more than four million 577 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: against the cap. Where those two things related, butch the 578 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: fact that they weren't able to get something done with 579 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: Ryan Carrigan and maybe the need to create some more space. No, 580 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: I think they're I think that's uh, I think that's isolated. 581 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: I think they're a good thirty million. I think they've 582 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: spent a good thirty million on the cap for this 583 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: year with those five six seven new players. So they 584 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: maybe they're trying to, uh, you know, I think they're 585 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 1: trying to get some breathing room just for those you 586 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: know and plus two, uh you know, you don't know. 587 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: They may end up their rookie pool might get a 588 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: little bit bigger if they do actually say they do 589 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: end up trading that fifth pick, you know, you end 590 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: up with two. You know, you end up with another 591 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: high second round pick. Who knows. So you know they've 592 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: done They've done a lot of good They've done a 593 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: lot of good work, and they've put up a number 594 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: that I'm not sure they thought they were going to 595 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: hit because I think they, you know, like Lap said, 596 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: they did a hell of a job. I think pivoting 597 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: early on when they saw that the prices were not 598 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: going to be reduced because of the reduced cap, they 599 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: were still there were still a pre pandemic numbers, and 600 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: so you know, that's that's uh, you know, there's I 601 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: think they're looking to find ways to do some different 602 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: things and still trying to even probably fit the guys 603 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: they already got. Lap one about the Ryan Carrigan possibility, 604 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: thirty two years old, four time pro bowler, the Redskins 605 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: all time leader in sacks, obviously, and being nice to 606 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: have somebody else that has a track record for getting 607 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: after the quarterback. But how much gas is left in 608 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: that tank? That's the question. Gas in the tank, tread 609 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: on the tire, you know, taking a lot of hits, 610 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: a lot of wear and tear on the body. You know, 611 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm assuming on these visits guys take physicals. That's the 612 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: thing with these draft prospects. You're gonna be able to 613 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: have you doctors put their hands on the particularly guys 614 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: that had incurred an injury. Some of these veteran free agents, 615 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: you know, deals might be contingent on how they are physical. 616 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: I mean, the longer a guy plays, the more potential 617 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: injuries over the years start to mount up and become 618 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: issues with guys and affect their level of play. I 619 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: think too, that it might be just a situation where 620 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: he might still be looking for more money than they're 621 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: willing to offer, but they wanted to bring him in, 622 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: talk to him, check him out, see what he's about, 623 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: just because it hasn't happened yet, hasn't happened anywhere else 624 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: yet either. He still may be out there. So I think, 625 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, they've exhibited that other P word might be talked, 626 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, pivoting. We've said a couple of times that patience, 627 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: and it's like patience, Daniel Son, you know, don't don't 628 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: get Wang chung. At this point in time, there's going 629 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: to be there's going to be other possibilities, and if 630 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: it's not this guy, it might be a guy in 631 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: the draft that might be revisited if they don't get 632 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,719 Speaker 1: an edge rush guy, and there are some there's some 633 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: depth at edge rush, there's some depth in the offensive line, 634 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: and there's depth at receiver, and interestingly enough, there's still 635 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: a lot of receivers out there that aren't signed. Who 636 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,239 Speaker 1: got the money. Trent Williams got a record amount at 637 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: left tackle, Tuney got almost record amounted guard build from 638 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: the inside out like the legendary Paul Brown said, the 639 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: team's only had one thing to worry about and could 640 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: spend a ton of cap dollars on it. That's all 641 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: San Francisco did. That's basically all Kansas City did. The 642 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: Bengals weren't in that position. The Bengals had multiple you know, 643 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: they'd rather have a bunch of spread the money out 644 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: over a bunch of people that might be able to 645 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: help the roster, rather than throwing it all on one 646 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: and you're all or nothing on a guy with Trent 647 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: Williams who's in his thirties, you know, Tuney, who's been 648 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: around a little bit. I mean that's that can be 649 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: sometimes a dangerous playing free agency. It can work out 650 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: as well, but the Bengals decided, you know, to basically 651 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: spread the money amongst multiple and I'm all for doubling down. Man, 652 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: You throw all your money in one pot and free agency, man, 653 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: you can you can crap out in the old blackjack 654 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: table quickly. Yeah. I think in this draft, I think 655 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: there's a shot they come out of the two edge 656 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: rushers yep, and you know, and a guard and attacker 657 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,760 Speaker 1: and a wide receiver. They gotta go get a speed 658 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: receiver somewhere. Gotta go get one. Let's move on to 659 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: a couple of former Bengals who have signed elsewhere. Andy Dalton, 660 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, a J Green, Arizona Cardinals. How are they 661 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: going to do in their new destinations? Lap You can 662 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: give a battle lead off on this one. I feel 663 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: bad for Andy Dalton. No matter who the quarterback that 664 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: the Bears signed, he was going to get abused because 665 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is not a Chicago Bear. The whole city 666 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: was infatuated with Russell Wilson's coming to Chicago. They're all 667 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: all pumped up. And then and Andy Dalton's the guy 668 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: or whoever was going to be the guy is the guy. Um, 669 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: you know, I think I think Andy Dalton still can 670 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: do the things that he's done mentally over his career, 671 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: and that is be a problem solver. Identify defenses quickly, 672 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: know where to go at the football, how to get 673 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: it there. You know, Andy was as good as I've 674 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: seen coming into the league. Joe Burrows right in that 675 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: category as well. Joe Burrows probably you know, maybe doctor 676 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: at Andy Andy Daltons the grad school plus you know, 677 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: maybe master's plus thirty and just right below that doctor level. 678 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: I mean, so those kind of things coaches like Bill 679 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: Laser is up there. Bill Laser knows he can do 680 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: that kind of thing as a as a former lineman. 681 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: His lineman is gonna love how he gets the ball 682 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: out of his hand quickly. It's going to make their 683 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: protection life so much easier. I mean, he's gonna do 684 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: a lot of things that that the Chicago Bears I 685 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: think are gonna like the thing that he has to 686 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: make sure that he doesn't do. Though, don't turn it 687 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: over because the Bears have a great defense, So don't 688 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: put the offense. Make the opposite. Always bear in mind 689 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: the opposing offense. Make them go to the length the 690 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: field against that Bears defense don't give short fields. You 691 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: know that the Bears defense can't be as dominant as 692 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: they might be able to be when the offense is 693 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: in more of a predicament. So it's all about not 694 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: turning the football over and in Andy Dalton knows that. 695 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: I think as well as anybody and as far as 696 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: AJ Green is concerned, it's going to be very interesting. Um, 697 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, will Larry Fitzgerald come back if he doesn't 698 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: AJ Green? Probably. It's like the third guy. AJ Green 699 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: last year was the third guy here in Cincinnati. So 700 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: as the third guy, you're facing you know, the third 701 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: corner and when you're playing man, if you playing zone, 702 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: it's a different ball game. But if you're matching up 703 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: in man coverage, you know, I was expected to a 704 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: light up those third corners. We talked about it during 705 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: the year. Then when you know, when aj season started 706 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: unfolded progress at this point in time, the way Talboyd 707 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: and T Higgins are planning AJ Green, he's getting their 708 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: third cover guy, the third best guy, and he wasn't 709 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: tearing that guy up. You know, it wasn't winning at 710 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 1: the level that that I thought that I might see um, 711 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: but you know, a new place, new lease on life. 712 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: A quarterback that is extremely talented, can create plays and 713 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: extend plays, can throw the football. It's going to be 714 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: interest interesting to see, you know. If Aj Green Um 715 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: just you know, gets a burst of energy. I think 716 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: I think that the the the biggest surprise to me 717 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: was AJ's body language through the whole thing. He almost 718 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: played like he was disinterested. You know, he had that 719 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: look of a disinterest body language wise, and when you 720 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: see his face in the sideline, you know, it just 721 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: it just didn't seem like it was working, like it 722 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: was a fit. And he talked about how, you know, 723 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: it was hard for him. They were asking him to 724 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 1: do different things and it wasn't coming easy to him. 725 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: He wasn't learning things, you know, as well as or 726 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: as quickly as he says he would have liked to. 727 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: So he has to learn a whole new offense, you know, 728 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: and that's not aj strong suit necessarily. So how long 729 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: will it take Aja to digest, comprehend and uh and 730 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: be able to go out there and uh and perform 731 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, if they if they decided he was he was. 732 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: He didn't like the fact that he was just like 733 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: put in one spot. Well, in order to learn a 734 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: new offense. They may start him out just playing in 735 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: one spot until he can master that, and then they'll 736 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: try to expand, you know, um, some of the other 737 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: parts of what he might be able to contribute. But 738 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see how the whole 739 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: thing unfolds. I haven't seen a guy get I mean, 740 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: you know, like I mean in Chicago. I haven't seen 741 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: a guy in Chicago get worse pressed maybe since uh 742 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln in the first debate against Steve Douglas. I 743 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: mean that was, Yeah, that was that was a tough welcome. Uh, 744 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, but like Laps said, you know, he's going 745 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: to a good defense. Don't forget Andy Dalton when Mike 746 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: Zimo was a defensive coordinator. Uh, and Andy Dalton didn't 747 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: lose a lot of games, you know, I mean, he 748 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: wanted enough games to go to five playoffs and uh, 749 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, Andy get ripped so badly here. Yeah, there 750 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: was some you know, some call for it, but my god, 751 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: I mean people forget that. Going into the twenty nineteen season, 752 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: I think he had more fourth quarter comebacks in that 753 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: stretch you get into the league since uh, everybody but 754 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: one guy, and uh, you know he had more than 755 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, So I mean, the guy can win games. 756 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: He put him with a good defense. You know, I 757 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: think it will uh you know, it's going to be 758 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: miserable for him probably, But I would I would think, 759 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think he'll give it. I think he'll 760 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: give it a good go. Lat made a good point 761 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: about a J. I would think, you know, when I 762 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to him, he was excited 763 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: about them, about his fit in that scheme in Arizona. 764 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: He compared it to what basically kens Ampezi and Bill 765 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: Laser ran here. Uh but when when they were the 766 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: coordinators and you know it's it's uh, you know, people 767 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: forget this, but that that twenty eighteen season before AJ 768 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: got hurt, I mean he was on fire. I mean 769 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: he was. He was, you know, going to be uh 770 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: getting near his career high. You know, the three touchdowns 771 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: against Baltimore when they put him in the slot. I 772 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: think I think I think he lined up in the 773 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: slot on all three you know those touchdowns. He was 774 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,479 Speaker 1: That's something that he mentioned was you know they lined 775 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: them bump into one spot here, they're lined them up 776 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: at the X in this last offense, and I think 777 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 1: he feels like Arizona is going to move him around 778 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: a little bit and that he'll probably run more, you know, 779 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,879 Speaker 1: he won't run as many. And I think Lapp was right. 780 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 1: And AJ didn't mention this in his last news conference. 781 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 1: Was you know, it was a new you know, I'm 782 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: not sure he was into the routes that they wanted 783 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: him to run, so at least I think mentally he's 784 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: going into it feeling like it's a better it's a 785 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: better fit form, you know. And like lap mentioned um, 786 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, you know, does he have any Jews left? 787 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: You know, I mean he did not go you know, 788 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,919 Speaker 1: when they were looking at te Higgins and Tyler Boyd, 789 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: you figured he'd go off. It didn't happen. Didn't happen 790 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: because of the system that had happened, because you've got 791 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: nothing left. Did it happened? You know, why did it happen? 792 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: We're not gonna know, you know, we'll probably get a 793 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: better We'll probably get a better answer when we see 794 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: what happens, when we see what happens out there. I 795 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 1: wish the best form, I wish the best for both guys. 796 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: You know, without them, there is no Green Dalton era. Yeah, 797 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: they Andy Ajer, like you talked about push five straight 798 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: playoffs fifty and twenty five over seventy five games. They 799 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: won twice as many as they lost. I mean that 800 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: and they were the two, you know, big primary reasons 801 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: for it. I mean, that's what people forget about Andy Dalton. 802 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: The start of his career was about as good as anybody's. 803 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you wouldn't twice as many games as you 804 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: lose in your first five years in the league and 805 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: have and start right away as a rookie quarterback. That's 806 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: that's a that's a hell of an accomplishment. Yeah, I 807 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: was right up until the play where he broke his 808 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: thumb fifty and twenty five until that game in twenty 809 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: fifteen when he broke his thumb. Right, He's going to 810 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: say when with you know, when you know Zach Taylor 811 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: coming in, tuck for Zach Taylor too, to fit him 812 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: into his to to build a scheme because Ajie gets 813 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: hurt like in his first practice, that Taylor is a 814 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: coach and so is he is he is he scheming 815 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: for aj Green of twenty fifteen. Aj Green of twenty twenty. 816 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: It's a hard It was a hard call for everybody, 817 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: and then you're throwing the pandemic where they couldn't have 818 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: worked together with a rookie quarterback. It was a perfect storm. 819 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: It just goes to show you, no matter how great 820 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: the player is, the mind has to be right. Mind 821 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 1: can't be cluttered, you know, I mean it, and yep, 822 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: your mindset has to be uh has to be really good. 823 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you know, AJ that that guy is 824 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: solid gold. I mean as as a as a player, 825 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: as a human being, you know, one of the one 826 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,839 Speaker 1: of the greats of all time. And obviously wish him 827 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,720 Speaker 1: nothing but success than the m he don't like you mentioned, 828 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: but I'd like to know how last year would have 829 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: gone if the referee did what he should have done 830 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: and keep the flag in his pocket and play against 831 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: the Chargers in the opening game. Maybe that helps him, 832 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: Maybe it doesn't. Maybe I'm a homer. I don't keep 833 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 1: the flag in the pocket. You know, AJ got no 834 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: separation last year. I don't know why that was the case. 835 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because of age. I don't 836 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 1: know if it was because he missed the previous year 837 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: and a half due to injury. I don't know if 838 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: it was the comfort level in the offense, but your 839 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: eye told you that that he didn't get any separation. 840 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: The GPS data told you that that he didn't get 841 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: any separation. So to me, it seems like as he 842 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 1: gets older he'll be thirty three this season, that's probably 843 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: not going to get better. It's going to get worse. 844 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,359 Speaker 1: I hope he proves me wrong, because I love AJ 845 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: and I would love to see him have a great 846 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: finish to his career in Arizona. But I do wonder 847 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: what the Cardinals are doing. I mean, do they think 848 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: that there is an over thirty league for football that 849 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with, because you know, JJ Watts one 850 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: of the great defensive players of all time, but he's 851 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: thirty one and has a building injury history. You know 852 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler, they just signed him, He's in his thirties. 853 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: AJ is going to be thirty three. They went out 854 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 1: and added a thirty seven year old kicker in Matt Crater. 855 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: So I think the overwhelming history in the NFL is 856 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,800 Speaker 1: that if you go out and sign thirty year old 857 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: and older free agents, it doesn't work. And they're signing 858 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 1: one after the other. I guess what they're saying is 859 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: they're all in for this year, right because next year 860 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,359 Speaker 1: probably not going to be. Any of these guys are 861 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: gonna be honest, If you end up signing guys and 862 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: rewarding them for careers they have with other teams, that's 863 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,439 Speaker 1: dangerous policy there. You know, if you're signing the JJ 864 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: Watt based on what he was with the Texans and 865 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 1: what he was with the Texans five years ago, or 866 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 1: you're signing an Aj Green what he was with the Bengas, 867 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: what he was at the Bengas three years ago, that 868 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,839 Speaker 1: can be a dangerous thing. The other I can tell 869 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: you for from experience, if you have any doubt in 870 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: your mind or aren't confident as an athlete, if you 871 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: line up to pass protect, like when I was pass 872 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,439 Speaker 1: protecting or trying to against Joe Green and I thought, oh, 873 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,280 Speaker 1: this isn't going to go. Well, you're done, You're beaten. 874 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: I mean, if AJ lined up, it's like, what am 875 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,839 Speaker 1: I supposed to do on this? I'm not sure about this. 876 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,879 Speaker 1: I don't really believe in this. You're not gonna You're 877 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,719 Speaker 1: not gonna win, you know, So your mind has to 878 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: be totally free and clear. You can't have any doubt 879 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 1: about the scheme, the coaching, anything else, or you're in 880 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 1: trouble and and uh, you know, maybe that's when when 881 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 1: guys say I needed a new destination, I needed a 882 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: new location, a change of scenery. That's kind of what 883 00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,600 Speaker 1: they're talking about. For whatever reason, maybe it was both ways, 884 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: both parties off confidence and trust in each other or whatever. 885 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: Who knows what the situation is, and every one of 886 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: them is a little bit different. But change of scenery, 887 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: you know, in some instances might be just exactly that. 888 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start fresh, start with a clean slate, an 889 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: open mind. My head is clear, and I believe, and 890 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out there and kick butt like I 891 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: used to. I mean, who knows, we'll see. DeAndre Hopkins 892 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: had one hundred and fifteen catches last year, so AJ 893 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 1: is not going to be the number one target or 894 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: even the number two target if fift DeAndre Hopkins is 895 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 1: healthy in Arizona last year, Larry Fitzgerald had fifty four 896 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: catches for four hundred and nine yards. It was like 897 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: seven yards per catch. AJ Green can obviously do that. 898 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: I mean, he was a little better than that for 899 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: Cincinnati last year. So if that's what the Cardinals they're 900 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,320 Speaker 1: looking for, the guys that can get fifty catches average China, 901 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 1: maybe close to ten yards at catches a third option, 902 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: then he can deliver that. But if if they are 903 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: expecting him to be the AJ Green from his first 904 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: seven years in Cincinnati, I don't think there's much of 905 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,359 Speaker 1: a chance of that being the case. That's a good point. 906 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,360 Speaker 1: Then maybe they said, you know what, we're getting a 907 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,760 Speaker 1: younger Larry Fitzgerald. AJ Green is almost a carbon copy 908 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: of Larry Fitzgerald personality wise performance, you know, not Larry 909 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald can't run flat out speed like AJ. But I 910 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,359 Speaker 1: mean obviously great route runner, great understanding football and all 911 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 1: that production level though. I mean they're both Pro Bowl players, 912 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: multiple time Pro Bowl players, future Hall of Fame type 913 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,800 Speaker 1: player with great people skills on and off the football field. 914 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,240 Speaker 1: Maybe they thought, let's get a younger version of Larry 915 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,759 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald and that's what we're expecting. They paid what six 916 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: million guaranteed eight million contract. That's pretty good eats for 917 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: if that's what their expectation was. You know, as for 918 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton in Chicago, he just better have tough skin 919 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: he and JJ because you know, as you guys alluded to, 920 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 1: it's already started and he hasn't even played a game 921 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: yet in a Chicago uniform. The Bears posted a picture 922 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: on Twitter yesterday or the day before of him in 923 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: his new number fourteen Bears jersey. Somebody photo shopped it 924 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: and made it two and fourteen on the front of 925 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: the jersey, which was not very nice. And I don't 926 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: know if you guys saw the Wheel of Fortune gag 927 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,279 Speaker 1: that was out there last week after he signed his 928 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 1: deal with Chicago, but somebody posted the picture of the 929 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: Wheel of Fortune board and you see, like on the 930 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 1: top line there are four blank letters and then on 931 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: the bottom line it's blank blank L blank O N 932 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: and a Bears fan says, I would like to answer 933 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,399 Speaker 1: the puzzle Russ Wilson, and he's all happy, and then 934 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: the letters turn over and it says Andy Dalton and 935 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 1: he's destroyed. So they are having a lot of fun 936 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: at Andy's expense. In the games he started for Dallas 937 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,480 Speaker 1: last year, the Cowboys were four and five. I think 938 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: that the Bears are going to be roughly a five 939 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 1: hundred team. Their defense is good enough, that's what they 940 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: were last year with you know, Nick Foles and Mitch 941 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 1: Drubisky at quarterback, and he will be okay, he'll be 942 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 1: somewhere around you know, twentieth and passer rating or something 943 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 1: like that. And I see them being a middle of 944 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,280 Speaker 1: the pack eight and nine, nine and eight type team. 945 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: That's right. Abraham Wincoln had it tough on social media. 946 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,759 Speaker 1: He had it even worse than Ford's theater unfortunately. Yeah, 947 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 1: all right, before we move on to some ask Lap 948 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 1: or in this case ask a Lapping, Butch questions one 949 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,399 Speaker 1: more thing from me, and that is another all time 950 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,360 Speaker 1: Bengals great who has been let go. He hasn't signed 951 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 1: on another team yet. That is Geno Atkins. What is 952 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:58,440 Speaker 1: your favorite Geno Atkins memory? Butch, you want to go 953 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,879 Speaker 1: first for this one. It involves the man sitting right here. 954 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,880 Speaker 1: I didn't have much in our action with Gino, so 955 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,759 Speaker 1: I don't but Lap. When Lap was calling the December 956 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 1: twenty third, twenty twelve game in Pittsburgh, when that great 957 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: Bengals defense stone Pittsburgh to get into the playoffs, and 958 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 1: Lap was punctuating each Geno play with Geno Atkins, I 959 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,879 Speaker 1: mean it was, I mean, Juno was dominant that day. 960 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,400 Speaker 1: You know, that was kind of his coming out Patty. 961 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: He was already a great play it was already a pro. 962 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 1: But I think that game he established himself and it 963 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,239 Speaker 1: was Hey. I mean, it made one of the great 964 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,880 Speaker 1: analysts in the game. Break in the song. I remember 965 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,600 Speaker 1: in the locker room after that, in the locker room, 966 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,360 Speaker 1: he was looking for him. He goes, I'm looking for 967 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,319 Speaker 1: Geno act. It was great. That was my That's my 968 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 1: one Geno memory in my one Geno game. I'm glad 969 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 1: you asked me first, because that might be laps memory too. 970 00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: My memory is Geno Atkins. When you go again a 971 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,280 Speaker 1: rookie or a young or just somebody that had never 972 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,359 Speaker 1: practiced against Geno Atkins before in pass rush drill, and 973 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: I would position myself to look at the face of 974 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 1: the opposing offensive lineman when Gino stormed off the ball 975 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,319 Speaker 1: and started bull rushing them, and the guys jacked up. 976 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,840 Speaker 1: He's on skates, he can't get his feed back on 977 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,480 Speaker 1: the ground, and his eyes were as biggest hard boiled 978 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: eggs and Gino Atkins is throwing them around like a 979 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 1: rag doll. And I'm like, welcome to the world. To 980 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,200 Speaker 1: Geno Atkins. That was the most I mean, these are 981 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,600 Speaker 1: grown men, big body guys, and Gino in his prime 982 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,040 Speaker 1: was just tooling them, I mean throwing them around like there. 983 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 1: It was a man amongst boys, and I would just 984 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: love to watch training camp, pass rush, drill. And the 985 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 1: first exposure of those guys had to the real Gino 986 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,120 Speaker 1: Atkins coming off to football man, he was unbelievable. He'd 987 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 1: break them all in. He didn't doctrinate him for the 988 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,239 Speaker 1: way of Gino. My on the old favorite memory of 989 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 1: Gino is from the same game that Butch mentioned, that 990 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 1: two twelve game in Pittsburgh where the Bengals beat the 991 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 1: Steelers two days before Christmas. They earned the playoff berth. 992 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,440 Speaker 1: They knocked the Steelers out of the playoffs on their 993 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,879 Speaker 1: home field, and the reason in my case is that 994 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,000 Speaker 1: that is the most physical football game I have ever 995 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,839 Speaker 1: seen in my life on both sides. I mean, that 996 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:25,800 Speaker 1: was an absolute fifteen round heavyweight fight. The Bengals sacked 997 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,800 Speaker 1: brought the burger four times, the Steelers sat Andy six times, 998 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,520 Speaker 1: the Bengals hit Ben seven times, the Steelers hit Andy 999 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,000 Speaker 1: eight times. And of all of those warriors that were 1000 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 1: out there that day, throwing Haymakers. Gino was the guy 1001 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,080 Speaker 1: that stood out the most. His final stats. He had 1002 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,440 Speaker 1: two sacks in that game, but he was actually in 1003 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:51,040 Speaker 1: on three, so he had one solo and two shared sacks. 1004 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,080 Speaker 1: He had a forced fumble, he had another tackle for loss. 1005 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the Steelers could not handle him in that game. 1006 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 1: Bengals wind up on the last second field bow by 1007 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,879 Speaker 1: Josh Brown to go to the playoffs. And for an 1008 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: on field memory, that one is number one for me. 1009 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 1: I remember guys like Richie Incognito, you know when he 1010 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 1: was a pro bowler, and other guys, even even at 1011 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl, those guys would just say, Geno Atkins 1012 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 1: will start shaking their head. I mean, Geno Atkins was 1013 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:26,240 Speaker 1: definitely a freak of nature. I mean, just on that short, 1014 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,560 Speaker 1: that short stout frame, he was so explosive, so strong, 1015 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,239 Speaker 1: low center or gravity nightmare, nightmare. You gotta keep your 1016 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: pad level low. And even when you keep it low, 1017 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,439 Speaker 1: it's awkward for you because his pad levels already low. 1018 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,040 Speaker 1: You have to come off on your kneecaps instead of 1019 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,719 Speaker 1: your feet to stay as low as Gino and his 1020 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,840 Speaker 1: day boy, he was unblockable one on one. They would 1021 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 1: never I mean I've watched games and he'd play an 1022 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 1: entire game and never be single blocked and pass protection 1023 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,719 Speaker 1: not one time. Do you think Gino made it to be, 1024 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,160 Speaker 1: you know, with the leverage game, to be a short game, 1025 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think they were. I remember playing against 1026 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,879 Speaker 1: guys like Dave Purify, Dave Roller. These defensive tackles were 1027 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,959 Speaker 1: you know, like the short short player like you talked about. 1028 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,680 Speaker 1: They weren't Gino. You know. Dave Roller had a spin 1029 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: move was his big move. These guys had signature, you know, 1030 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,680 Speaker 1: moves pacinos was I'm just gonna line up and kick 1031 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,440 Speaker 1: your butt with my explosiveness, my strength. So yeah, I mean, 1032 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,000 Speaker 1: I think I think anytime a guy um of that 1033 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:37,319 Speaker 1: different stature, like Sam Mills playing linebacker, you know, five ten, 1034 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,000 Speaker 1: five nine, and it's like unheard of before you can't 1035 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,480 Speaker 1: play middle linebacker in the NFL at five to nine. 1036 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,759 Speaker 1: I played against him in the USFL before we went 1037 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,359 Speaker 1: to the NFL. That dude could play. I don't care 1038 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,200 Speaker 1: how tall that dude was a player. And uh yeah, 1039 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,360 Speaker 1: I think you know Doug Gluti at quarterback, there's a 1040 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,719 Speaker 1: There are all kinds of guys who break trends. I 1041 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,480 Speaker 1: think Gino had fallen that category, butch, I mean that 1042 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,719 Speaker 1: not only made it, but made it big. I mean, 1043 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,520 Speaker 1: you know, perennial pro bowler. We're talking because I think 1044 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,399 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald was. I think Aaron Donald a few years 1045 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,840 Speaker 1: after that was, you know, a first round picking. You 1046 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,200 Speaker 1: never would have seen a first round defensive tackle at 1047 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:23,680 Speaker 1: his dimension. Yeah, I mean for Gino to be all 1048 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,719 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowls that he went to as a fourth 1049 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,919 Speaker 1: round pick, one of the best value picks in franchise history. 1050 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,279 Speaker 1: Let's face it, him and Trump twelfth round in Trumpy's case. 1051 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:37,000 Speaker 1: I do actually have a Geno Atkins off the field 1052 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,040 Speaker 1: memory back in two thou eleven, when when the Bengals 1053 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,720 Speaker 1: were nice enough to give you Friday afternoons off lap 1054 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,759 Speaker 1: and I used to do the Pepper Rally Show with 1055 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,520 Speaker 1: Archell Hawkins. Gino Atkins came on and did one hour 1056 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,120 Speaker 1: on the radio with us, which you know he would 1057 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,920 Speaker 1: never do. Now. He was perfectly fine. I thought he 1058 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,040 Speaker 1: was good, The fans loved it. I wish that would 1059 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,840 Speaker 1: have continued. But after he tore his ACL in twenty 1060 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,000 Speaker 1: thirteen and then you know, wasn't quite as good the 1061 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,000 Speaker 1: next year before eventually returning to his great form, took 1062 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,240 Speaker 1: some criticism. Paul Gunther wasn't very kind and describing his play, 1063 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,480 Speaker 1: it seemed like that was the point where he shut 1064 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,360 Speaker 1: it down to the media. And unfortunately, the notion of 1065 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 1: doing an hour of radio on location with with Gino 1066 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,680 Speaker 1: Atkins could never happen again. My career conversations with you 1067 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,680 Speaker 1: would not add up to an hour run them all together. 1068 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,239 Speaker 1: It's a shame because he was fine when he did 1069 00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,400 Speaker 1: that news conference after he signed his most recent contract extension. 1070 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,360 Speaker 1: He was fine. I don't know if he just didn't 1071 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,600 Speaker 1: like doing it or didn't think he was good good 1072 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,400 Speaker 1: at doing interviews, but I wish that would have continued 1073 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,759 Speaker 1: because that that one hour show with him was great. 1074 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,479 Speaker 1: We have him on multiple times Dan, you know, early 1075 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: in his career on Bengals Final Monday Night for an 1076 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,600 Speaker 1: hour and he was great. You're right. I think he 1077 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,920 Speaker 1: just somebody something happened. He felt like he get betrayed 1078 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,719 Speaker 1: by somebody, and he shut it down. He said, that's it, 1079 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm done with all of you. Whatever. That one incident 1080 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,040 Speaker 1: was erected for everybody. I don't know what it was 1081 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,880 Speaker 1: or how big it was, but in Geno's mind, it 1082 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,280 Speaker 1: was big enough to shut it all down. All right, 1083 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,800 Speaker 1: let's get to some of the ask Lap questions that 1084 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,400 Speaker 1: came rolling in on Twitter this week. We will expand 1085 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,800 Speaker 1: it to ask Lap and Butch, but since they were 1086 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,360 Speaker 1: meant for Lap, well, let Lap go first, and then 1087 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:38,520 Speaker 1: we'll comment after our first question comes from Kelsey. Why 1088 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 1: do the Bengals feel comfortable banking on Frank Pollock turning 1089 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,280 Speaker 1: around their offensive line play when that strategy didn't work 1090 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,480 Speaker 1: with Jim Turner. Well, you know, the first thing that 1091 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,680 Speaker 1: you have to have talent makes a coach great talent. 1092 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: If a coach has got players, it's a hell of 1093 00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,560 Speaker 1: a lot easier to be a great coach. There's no 1094 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,760 Speaker 1: question about it. All coaches will tell you the same thing, 1095 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,840 Speaker 1: but all all great players, you know, Anthony Munos will 1096 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,560 Speaker 1: tell you the reason he was as good as he 1097 00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,440 Speaker 1: was as Jim mc nelli, you know, and Maxi Montoria 1098 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,560 Speaker 1: feels the same way. It's it's almost like, you know, 1099 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,560 Speaker 1: it's you have to have both if if if a 1100 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,240 Speaker 1: great player doesn't have a coach that can take him 1101 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,920 Speaker 1: to another level. Everybody wants to be coached, Everybody wants 1102 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,919 Speaker 1: to be helped. Everybody wants to improve, and the great 1103 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,160 Speaker 1: ones that are realistic realize they don't have all the answers. 1104 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,160 Speaker 1: So you're looking for somebody that's going to take your game, 1105 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 1: whatever it is, to the next level. If you're a 1106 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 1: guy that's just making an NFL team, you want a 1107 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,560 Speaker 1: guy that's gonna help you be a contributor on the roster. 1108 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,760 Speaker 1: If you're just a contributor on the roster, you want 1109 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,720 Speaker 1: a guy who's going to make you a starter. If 1110 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,240 Speaker 1: you're a starter, you want a guy that's going to 1111 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,960 Speaker 1: make you a pro bowler. I mean, that's just the 1112 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,120 Speaker 1: way it is. And I think that Frank Pollock has 1113 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,800 Speaker 1: I think he has a reputation of employing sound techniques 1114 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 1: and he's a great teacher of his techniques. And that's 1115 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,440 Speaker 1: what Jim McNally was. Jim McNally had techniques he believed in. 1116 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,640 Speaker 1: He was always refining them. Jim McNally would would never 1117 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,280 Speaker 1: like no nose. This is the answer, this is the 1118 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,760 Speaker 1: only answer. And that's why I think what players like 1119 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,000 Speaker 1: about Frank Pollack. Having played the game for nine years, 1120 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,280 Speaker 1: he understands that everybody types not the same, and a 1121 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,960 Speaker 1: technique that works for one guy might not be the 1122 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,320 Speaker 1: best technique in the world for another guy. One guy 1123 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,040 Speaker 1: might be long upper torso, short legs, another guy long legs, 1124 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,040 Speaker 1: short up torso. One guy's get long on, one guy's 1125 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,320 Speaker 1: get short on. You have to be able to mollify, 1126 00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,160 Speaker 1: you know, and adapt your and adjust your techniques. And 1127 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,160 Speaker 1: Frank is really good at that, and I think players 1128 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,160 Speaker 1: respond to that. And he's there not to be a dictate. 1129 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,400 Speaker 1: He's there to help. You know, I'm not saying that 1130 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,640 Speaker 1: it's a democracy. You know, he will make all the 1131 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,760 Speaker 1: decis as, but he listens and um and and adapts. 1132 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,560 Speaker 1: And I think I think a great testament to Frank 1133 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,479 Speaker 1: Pollock is the relationship he has with Joe Nixon. That's 1134 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,480 Speaker 1: not even one of his players, but Joe Nixon realizes 1135 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,280 Speaker 1: the value that Frank Pollock brought to that offensive line 1136 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,400 Speaker 1: room and how they responded to him, and how it 1137 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,360 Speaker 1: made him his life easier and better as a running 1138 01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,760 Speaker 1: back and as a football player. And so I think 1139 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,800 Speaker 1: that the ripple effect that a good offensive line coach 1140 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:35,760 Speaker 1: can have in terms of confidence and then performance betterment, 1141 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,400 Speaker 1: not just by lineman, by by everybody. Quarterback feels more confident, 1142 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to have time to build the 1143 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,840 Speaker 1: football with this guy teaching my lineman. But again, Dan, 1144 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,720 Speaker 1: you do have to have something to work with, you know. 1145 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:53,040 Speaker 1: I mean he can't, he can't perform miracles. Got to 1146 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,040 Speaker 1: improve the offensive line and and let him be part 1147 01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,840 Speaker 1: of the valuation process. This guy would be perfect because 1148 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,440 Speaker 1: the techniques that I'm trying to employ, he's watching him 1149 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,720 Speaker 1: on tape. He's going to be able to execute everything 1150 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,880 Speaker 1: that I want to execute from a technique standpoint. All 1151 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:14,600 Speaker 1: that stuff I think becomes important. I've never heard another 1152 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,800 Speaker 1: coach or player say a negative word about Frank Pollock, 1153 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 1: whether it's with the Bengals or with another team. And 1154 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,680 Speaker 1: there aren't that many coaches that I can say that about. 1155 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,600 Speaker 1: There's always a critic out there somewhere just about everybody. 1156 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,240 Speaker 1: It seems like anybody you talk to has respect for 1157 01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,760 Speaker 1: Frank Pollock as a coach and as a person. It's 1158 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,320 Speaker 1: a pretty good sign. And you know, Dan, that's a 1159 01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,360 Speaker 1: great point because like Dick Lebou, for example, every player 1160 01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,000 Speaker 1: that was in contact with Dick Lebau respects them and 1161 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,400 Speaker 1: then likes them to boot. If you have that double combination, 1162 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,360 Speaker 1: you have total respect. So you're not going to take 1163 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,160 Speaker 1: advantage of them, but you really like them. That's powerful 1164 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,000 Speaker 1: and I think you hit right on that right nail. 1165 01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,320 Speaker 1: Running the head with Frank Pollock. I think the players 1166 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,720 Speaker 1: respect and the added cherry on top of the Sunday 1167 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,720 Speaker 1: is they like them. Next question, I'm going to combine 1168 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:11,120 Speaker 1: two questions. Hank asks, why is the Bengals organization so 1169 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:15,960 Speaker 1: cavalier about improving the offensive line? Ryan asks, how can 1170 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,960 Speaker 1: they not address guard? So combine those two two questions 1171 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,360 Speaker 1: into one thought lap Why so cavalier about approving the 1172 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,120 Speaker 1: offensive line? Why have they not addressed guard? They haven't 1173 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,080 Speaker 1: been cavalier, They just haven't hit. They don't have to 1174 01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,640 Speaker 1: go back too many drafts to find a way hand 1175 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,760 Speaker 1: fish where they went first and second round and tried 1176 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,280 Speaker 1: to double down with their top two picks and went 1177 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,160 Speaker 1: over You know, that's just that's a tough that's a 1178 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,080 Speaker 1: tough dynamic. That's a tough thing to recover from. Not 1179 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,880 Speaker 1: just that here, that has an impact on a few 1180 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,240 Speaker 1: years when you when you go over two on your 1181 01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,640 Speaker 1: first two picks of a draft, that it doesn't work 1182 01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,320 Speaker 1: out at that position and other positions you could have 1183 01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:01,200 Speaker 1: addressed with those picks. Go unaddressed. You haven't massive ripple effect. 1184 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:06,360 Speaker 1: So you know, Billy Price, you know, with a high 1185 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,600 Speaker 1: it's not like they haven't expended high picks, but they 1186 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,360 Speaker 1: haven't gotten the value in return for those high picks. 1187 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,320 Speaker 1: And it's not just the Bengals, I mean coaches should say. 1188 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,960 Speaker 1: Fans in every single city will cry and moan about, 1189 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, failed picks with their offensive line. It's not 1190 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,720 Speaker 1: an exact science. And they have tried to address it 1191 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,360 Speaker 1: and they will continue to address it, and it's going 1192 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,760 Speaker 1: to be addressed big time in this draft. And what 1193 01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,400 Speaker 1: you have to do is you just have to try 1194 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,400 Speaker 1: to recruit by whatever means, free agency, the draft, college fit, 1195 01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:44,840 Speaker 1: whatever it is, as many talented players as you can 1196 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,560 Speaker 1: and put the best five out in the field, no 1197 01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,200 Speaker 1: matter what position you end up putting them at. If 1198 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:55,000 Speaker 1: they do draft Penney Seul and they say, all right, 1199 01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,919 Speaker 1: we're gonna put them at right tackle and Riley Reef 1200 01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,080 Speaker 1: you're going inside. Well we're gonna put them at left tackle, 1201 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,840 Speaker 1: and Jonah you're going in, so be it. If it's 1202 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,480 Speaker 1: better to put Penney Suel inside, so be it. The 1203 01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,920 Speaker 1: guy who's going to decide that is Frank Pollock. But 1204 01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:13,680 Speaker 1: put the five best guys. Hopefully you have ten guys 1205 01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,000 Speaker 1: that you can you know, you're they're all compete in 1206 01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,760 Speaker 1: their tail on. You find the five best, put him 1207 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,920 Speaker 1: at positions that you feel will be most successful for 1208 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,240 Speaker 1: their contribution to the team. And then you know, however 1209 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:30,600 Speaker 1: many to keep eight or nine offensive lineman and have 1210 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,720 Speaker 1: to deactivate one or two of them, whatever the case 1211 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,320 Speaker 1: may be. You have to have position versatility, and that's 1212 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,840 Speaker 1: one thing that I think Frank understands them and puts 1213 01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,400 Speaker 1: in his evaluation process. Have to be able to play 1214 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,080 Speaker 1: more than one position. I really do believe that he'll 1215 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,520 Speaker 1: help get it right. He'll get players in there to 1216 01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,320 Speaker 1: compete and put an offensive line out there, and he's 1217 01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,280 Speaker 1: going to feel proud of it. Are the Bengals Cavalier 1218 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,480 Speaker 1: about improving the offensive line? If they draft Suol and 1219 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,120 Speaker 1: us Slater in the first round, there'll be fourth first 1220 01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,040 Speaker 1: round picks in the last seven drafts. That's the opposite 1221 01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,840 Speaker 1: of Cavalier. And I agree with you, Butch, I think 1222 01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,880 Speaker 1: Slater I'm not. I'm not one that has Seul and 1223 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,640 Speaker 1: then a big drop to Slater. I have Sul and 1224 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,919 Speaker 1: Slater you know up there pretty good in fact, if 1225 01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,040 Speaker 1: I were in a situation where I could trade back 1226 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 1: with that fifth pick and still be able to get 1227 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,480 Speaker 1: Slater and get an extra second round pick. Bingo Bengo Bongo, 1228 01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,320 Speaker 1: I am printing to get that done, because then you 1229 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,360 Speaker 1: get then you get Slater, and then you get maybe 1230 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,400 Speaker 1: two edge rushers in the second round. If you are 1231 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,800 Speaker 1: if you get tackle in an edge rush, you think 1232 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,920 Speaker 1: later can definitely play garden tackle, and then you get 1233 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,320 Speaker 1: maybe uh yeah, an edge rush. In my mind, there's 1234 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,240 Speaker 1: offensive lineman that they could get that could help, particularly 1235 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,160 Speaker 1: of guard up until the fourth round. Fourth round. If 1236 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,720 Speaker 1: you get an extra second round pick, you have five 1237 01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,120 Speaker 1: picks in the and they're in the fifth pick of 1238 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,400 Speaker 1: the fourth round. So you're five picks to the fifth 1239 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,160 Speaker 1: pick of the fourth round. You're still talking about, you know, 1240 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,200 Speaker 1: one of the top one hundred and fifty odd players 1241 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,400 Speaker 1: in the country. You're still going to be able to 1242 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,520 Speaker 1: get good, viable candidates and double down on one or 1243 01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:20,440 Speaker 1: two position groups. Our next question comes from Bearcat Joe. 1244 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:26,640 Speaker 1: If Paul Brown were still alive, wouldn't he draft Pinney Sewell? 1245 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:33,600 Speaker 1: Would he? Laugh? I think he'd be in consideration. Under consideration, 1246 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,440 Speaker 1: I mean, like I've said a couple of times, I 1247 01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:40,120 Speaker 1: know Paul Brown's mentality was, you know, built from the 1248 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,680 Speaker 1: inside out, and he knew that he had a lot 1249 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,520 Speaker 1: of great Pro Bowl skilled players, but without you know, 1250 01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,520 Speaker 1: the Mike McCormick's of the world. In his offensive line, 1251 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,240 Speaker 1: he Lou Groza, you know, he was he was all 1252 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,560 Speaker 1: about Lulu two. Obviously a more famous kicker than but 1253 01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,520 Speaker 1: he was the Pro Bowl tackle as well, Mike McCormick 1254 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:04,720 Speaker 1: and Lou grow He. He always had superior offensive lines. 1255 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,640 Speaker 1: He believed in it. So I do think that he 1256 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,840 Speaker 1: would he would definitely consider Seul Slater. I mean, there's 1257 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that he would necessarily be married to one, 1258 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,760 Speaker 1: but I know he would put high importance on that position. 1259 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,520 Speaker 1: You know. The thing, like I've said with Seuel, I 1260 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,720 Speaker 1: like him obviously, it's hard not to like him his 1261 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:32,640 Speaker 1: physical attributes, but it's a very small sample size. And 1262 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, when you watch him, like in this opener 1263 01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:39,400 Speaker 1: against Oregon, watching that game, a third of his pass 1264 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,919 Speaker 1: sets he didn't win, and he didn't have many of them. 1265 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking about drop back protection and the way their 1266 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,200 Speaker 1: offense is struggled. Drop Back protection is hard to identify, 1267 01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:55,520 Speaker 1: and it wasn't It wasn't great competition. You know that 1268 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,920 Speaker 1: uh that that SEC who's Auburn's you know, middle of 1269 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,880 Speaker 1: the SEC. He was struggling. He was struggling to win. 1270 01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:07,600 Speaker 1: So he didn't play against ten or twelve dominant edge 1271 01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,000 Speaker 1: rushes from the SEC that you have all this tape, 1272 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, in order to say, oh, yeah he's the guy, 1273 01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,800 Speaker 1: Maybe not be there. I mean, I'm not saying he 1274 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't project. I'm saying he does project, but I'm not 1275 01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,679 Speaker 1: saying that's a slam dunk. It never is with anybody. 1276 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:26,320 Speaker 1: But you know, he's obviously wanted to consider what do 1277 01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,599 Speaker 1: you think Butcher Paul were still alive, would he takes 1278 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:33,240 Speaker 1: suel It's interesting what Lapps said, you know about you know, 1279 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,200 Speaker 1: Paul noticed stuff like that. Obviously clearly he was one 1280 01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,080 Speaker 1: of the best in the game, you know, and he 1281 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,120 Speaker 1: wasn't afraid of going out of the box. Maybe he wouldn't. 1282 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,600 Speaker 1: Maybe I remember him the only the only draft I 1283 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,320 Speaker 1: covered him in was the nineteen ninety one draft, and 1284 01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:54,400 Speaker 1: he was heartbroken when the Seattle took Dan McGuire, who 1285 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,759 Speaker 1: was Mark McGuire's brother. He loved the Quay he loved 1286 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,040 Speaker 1: the tall quarterback, and that would have been a little 1287 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,280 Speaker 1: bit out of the box at that point in the 1288 01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,680 Speaker 1: first round, So you know, if people were alive, I 1289 01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,400 Speaker 1: remember him saying at a practice, he goes, I'm a 1290 01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,800 Speaker 1: firing fallback guy. Peepe might be pulling the trigger on Chase. 1291 01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,760 Speaker 1: Where are you guys right now? I think our opinions 1292 01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,080 Speaker 1: all you know, we drift back and forth for which 1293 01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,360 Speaker 1: guy we would like if they stay at number five. 1294 01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,000 Speaker 1: Who are you picking right now? He said? You know, 1295 01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:32,680 Speaker 1: Lap just scared me with that, So I don't you 1296 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,160 Speaker 1: know you gotta go. You gotta protect the guy, right, 1297 01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you go. If you think schools better. 1298 01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,080 Speaker 1: I think you got to take the tackle. I think 1299 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,760 Speaker 1: you got to take the offensive lignement. Yeah, I would. 1300 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,599 Speaker 1: I would go for an offensive lineman if there's one 1301 01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,960 Speaker 1: available there, like we talked about before. I mean, you know, 1302 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,120 Speaker 1: these mock drafts are exactly that. But you got mock 1303 01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,880 Speaker 1: drafts to have quarterbacks going with the first four picks. 1304 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,519 Speaker 1: So you know, if that's the case, you're gonna be 1305 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,120 Speaker 1: able to pick the best non quarterback football player in 1306 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:06,040 Speaker 1: the entire draft. That's a good place to be if 1307 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,439 Speaker 1: they don't take all those quarterbacks the first four picks 1308 01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,880 Speaker 1: ahead of the Bengals at number five. Now, you're gonna 1309 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,200 Speaker 1: have teams wanting to move up if they are indeed 1310 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,160 Speaker 1: interested in a quarterback and their guys still there, and 1311 01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,040 Speaker 1: you'll be able to trade back. That's my first option, 1312 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,599 Speaker 1: or my first hope, is that those quarterbacks don't all 1313 01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,160 Speaker 1: go in the first four picks. I don't know, maybe 1314 01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,519 Speaker 1: somebody would panic and say, oh, we'll take the fifth one. 1315 01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,479 Speaker 1: Whoever the fifth one is. There are five of them 1316 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,479 Speaker 1: that they're projecting go in the first round. They're not 1317 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,519 Speaker 1: all going to go the first five picks, but you 1318 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,240 Speaker 1: never know. I mean, I think they're going to be 1319 01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,440 Speaker 1: in a good position. The draft starts at pick two, obviously, 1320 01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,280 Speaker 1: I think they're going to be in a good position 1321 01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,640 Speaker 1: at five to potentially trade back. And just like in 1322 01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,040 Speaker 1: these free agency contracts, you know, the Bengals they were 1323 01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,599 Speaker 1: out pursuing players, but it takes two to make a deal. 1324 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,439 Speaker 1: If the player doesn't want to sign, it doesn't matter 1325 01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:57,519 Speaker 1: if you're out there trying to sign them. If they 1326 01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,840 Speaker 1: don't want to sign them, you know, it's a two 1327 01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:05,160 Speaker 1: street Galladay in my mind, Joe Burrow was an attraction. 1328 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,200 Speaker 1: These receivers that want to sign one year contracts and 1329 01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,479 Speaker 1: then go to free agency next year. Why wouldn't you 1330 01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,840 Speaker 1: want to be with Joe Burrow if your receiver that 1331 01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:14,840 Speaker 1: you know wants to have a big year and a 1332 01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:19,160 Speaker 1: one year deal. So you know, I don't know this, 1333 01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,360 Speaker 1: It's going to be an interesting time this draft. But 1334 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,720 Speaker 1: if they could trade back, I think they might might 1335 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,439 Speaker 1: find a partner to trade back. In the end, that 1336 01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,800 Speaker 1: would be a Christmas morning for me. Get two firm, 1337 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:34,799 Speaker 1: get two players. If Sewell is there, I take Sewell. 1338 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm not going to overthink it. I think he's got 1339 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,200 Speaker 1: the chance to be a multi time pro bowler who's 1340 01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,679 Speaker 1: going to spend you know, a decade at either left 1341 01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,920 Speaker 1: or right tackle. If he's gone and Jamar Chase is there, 1342 01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,880 Speaker 1: I'm fine with taking Jamar Chase and reuniting him with 1343 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,800 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. If they're both gone, I'm still not there. 1344 01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,639 Speaker 1: And taking Kyle Pitts at number five is as great 1345 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,960 Speaker 1: as he seems like he could be, and you know, 1346 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,400 Speaker 1: the grand the unbelief about forty time. At that point, 1347 01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,800 Speaker 1: I would really look to trade down. That's where I am. 1348 01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,160 Speaker 1: Suel is still my hope Chase is right there with him. 1349 01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,599 Speaker 1: After that, I'd be fine with trading down. I'm with you, 1350 01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,880 Speaker 1: I would not have if they take Tonay Seul at five, 1351 01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,000 Speaker 1: and you know, you wonder if I mean you're hearing, 1352 01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,840 Speaker 1: then he might not be there. But if he is 1353 01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,960 Speaker 1: there at five, he deserves it. I mean he's I 1354 01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,120 Speaker 1: don't think that's over ranking him in this year's draft. Chase. 1355 01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,519 Speaker 1: You watch that guy run routes. He throws people around. 1356 01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:34,040 Speaker 1: I mean he is a physical route runner. And of 1357 01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,040 Speaker 1: course you know Joe Burrow throwing twenty touchdown passes in 1358 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,559 Speaker 1: the great year. So how can you argue that? Laugh. 1359 01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,400 Speaker 1: I think left to make a big decision, they'll have 1360 01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:47,559 Speaker 1: to say, is our Suel and Chase that much better then? 1361 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,400 Speaker 1: Because I think they'll have multiple suitors. I don't think 1362 01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,160 Speaker 1: he'll be I think they'll have multiple suitors. I think 1363 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,799 Speaker 1: they'll be able to take the deal. With that deal, 1364 01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, be better than taking Suel or Chase. You know, 1365 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,320 Speaker 1: I think they have to, you know, because like you 1366 01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:05,439 Speaker 1: said about those those two high second round picks, those 1367 01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,080 Speaker 1: are going to be what one of the top fifty 1368 01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,920 Speaker 1: players in the country. What are they? What are they 1369 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,840 Speaker 1: do in free agency. Instead of taking one guy, they 1370 01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:18,080 Speaker 1: tried to get many guys they possibly could. I think 1371 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,000 Speaker 1: they're in that kind of that that mode. You know, 1372 01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,519 Speaker 1: it might spill over into the draft. Instead of just 1373 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,240 Speaker 1: one guy. If you have a chance to get a 1374 01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,360 Speaker 1: guy that you have rated very closely to that one 1375 01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:33,000 Speaker 1: guy and get another pick, you know, they may go 1376 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,360 Speaker 1: that rug. You know, they got two corners for the 1377 01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,080 Speaker 1: price of Will Jackson, maybe they can get a couple 1378 01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,960 Speaker 1: of rookie linemen for the price of one. Or who knows? 1379 01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,880 Speaker 1: Who knows? All right, a few more ask Lap questions. 1380 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,879 Speaker 1: This one comes from Dustin. Did the Bengals attack defense 1381 01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,840 Speaker 1: and free agency or is that just how things worked out? 1382 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,680 Speaker 1: I think it's just how it worked out, you know. 1383 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,000 Speaker 1: I think I think that they were they were in there. 1384 01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,800 Speaker 1: They wanted to sign and Tuning just like everybody. But 1385 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,120 Speaker 1: it got ridiculous. They weren't going to sign them. They 1386 01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,839 Speaker 1: wanted to sign Golladay. You know, there there were offensive 1387 01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,800 Speaker 1: players that they were in the hunt for. I'm sure, 1388 01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,080 Speaker 1: but you know, when the numbers got to the point 1389 01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,200 Speaker 1: where all right, let's pivot and see what we can 1390 01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:19,800 Speaker 1: get a bigger bang for the buck. Ass such and 1391 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,840 Speaker 1: how many players that we might be able to get, 1392 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,719 Speaker 1: and I think it just so happened to be defensive players. 1393 01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,000 Speaker 1: I don't think when they went through their free agency 1394 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,920 Speaker 1: evaluation was like, jeez, there were no offensive players and 1395 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,920 Speaker 1: there are a ton of defensive players, and the draft 1396 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,200 Speaker 1: is all offense and no defense. I don't think it 1397 01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,880 Speaker 1: was that clear cut and simple. I think they just 1398 01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,840 Speaker 1: ended up pivoting to the you know, to the next 1399 01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:45,080 Speaker 1: the next plan, and it fell in the defensive players laps. 1400 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,080 Speaker 1: I think I'm not saying coincidental, but I'm saying that 1401 01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:53,640 Speaker 1: it just that's just the way the chips fell. I 1402 01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,920 Speaker 1: think laps deet on. I think it was a deeper 1403 01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,960 Speaker 1: It was a deeper free agency. The free agency board 1404 01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,080 Speaker 1: was deeper on defense, I think for the spots that 1405 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,000 Speaker 1: they needed compared to offense. You know, the guy the 1406 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,840 Speaker 1: guard thing I think just kind of fell off the 1407 01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,800 Speaker 1: cliff after Pooney when you're talking about the money, and 1408 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,080 Speaker 1: I just felt like they thought they were better fits 1409 01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,200 Speaker 1: at corner, like you said, the two for one, and 1410 01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,840 Speaker 1: they knew they had to get at the minute the 1411 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,280 Speaker 1: Thuney thing went ridiculous. They knew they had to get 1412 01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,760 Speaker 1: an edge rusher because that because because I think they 1413 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,640 Speaker 1: went in thinking, you know, we might be able to 1414 01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,519 Speaker 1: get two edge rushers at ten millarpiece, but that you know, 1415 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,000 Speaker 1: because of the way, because of the reduced cap. But 1416 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,920 Speaker 1: then the way the thing you know, obviously in the 1417 01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,000 Speaker 1: first hours of free agency are clearly that that was 1418 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,240 Speaker 1: not going to happen. Again, like Lap said, the pivot 1419 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,000 Speaker 1: pooney was ridiculous. Get the make sure you get the 1420 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,200 Speaker 1: edge game. I think the other thing that happened too 1421 01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:51,360 Speaker 1: was that offensive linemen that they were interested in either 1422 01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:55,679 Speaker 1: resigned with their original team or got tagged, like Taylor 1423 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,080 Speaker 1: Moten from Carolina. You know, that was a name that 1424 01:15:58,160 --> 01:15:59,880 Speaker 1: came up over and over and over and over, and 1425 01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:04,120 Speaker 1: then Panthers stagged so much for that. Darryl Williams name 1426 01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,960 Speaker 1: came and came up a lot, Buffalo resigned him. So 1427 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,920 Speaker 1: some of those free agents that they probably spent a 1428 01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,960 Speaker 1: lot of time studying and determining what they were going 1429 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,960 Speaker 1: to offer and what their value would be, never came 1430 01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,840 Speaker 1: to fruition because they ultimately were not free agents, and 1431 01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,720 Speaker 1: at that point you pivot to the guys that are, 1432 01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:24,599 Speaker 1: and that's why the numbers went up so extremely high. 1433 01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,160 Speaker 1: For the ones that did make free agency, the pool 1434 01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:30,479 Speaker 1: was smaller. It's a supply and demand thing. You had 1435 01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:34,760 Speaker 1: a smaller pool, fewer teams, the fewer teams wanted to 1436 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:38,200 Speaker 1: make make a you know that that had the one need. 1437 01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,760 Speaker 1: I mean, Kansas City said we need we need an 1438 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,280 Speaker 1: interior linehelp. That's what they went after, and they spent 1439 01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,439 Speaker 1: a ton to get it. Redskins, you know, targeted dear 1440 01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,080 Speaker 1: guy Trent Willas. That was their only what they went 1441 01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:54,120 Speaker 1: and got it done. So that's why free agency in 1442 01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:58,839 Speaker 1: the early stages, if you have a great lineman, normally 1443 01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,280 Speaker 1: they don't make free agency. See but when when they did, 1444 01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,479 Speaker 1: I think I think some teams were probably surprised that 1445 01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,240 Speaker 1: the number got so high. I bet San Francisco Chiefs, 1446 01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,320 Speaker 1: we didn't expect to pay that much for Trent Williams. 1447 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,800 Speaker 1: I bet Kennethy, I bet we didn't expect that much 1448 01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:19,439 Speaker 1: to pay for a guard. But you know, those guys 1449 01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,920 Speaker 1: were commodities that that that a team that needed that 1450 01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,400 Speaker 1: specific thing was going to pay whatever it took to 1451 01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:29,439 Speaker 1: get and others had to move on and pivot. All right, 1452 01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:33,320 Speaker 1: Our next question is actually a celebrity question. This comes 1453 01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:37,160 Speaker 1: from former Saturday Night Live cast member and Lakota East 1454 01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,920 Speaker 1: High School grad Luke Null, a big Bengals fan. Luke's 1455 01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,680 Speaker 1: question is who do you anticipate seeing the biggest improvement 1456 01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:49,200 Speaker 1: out of from the returning players on defense? What do 1457 01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,240 Speaker 1: you think of that? Let My first reaction is, I 1458 01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,200 Speaker 1: can't wait to see the guy they spent so much 1459 01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:55,840 Speaker 1: money on it didn't get a snap out of it, 1460 01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,280 Speaker 1: Trey Waynes. You know, I think he's going to be 1461 01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:04,120 Speaker 1: a big contribute to their success. Um, and we're talking 1462 01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:08,160 Speaker 1: about free agents that, uh or anybody that played defense 1463 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,920 Speaker 1: last year you're saying to improve to this year? Is 1464 01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:14,160 Speaker 1: that the question? I think so returning players on defense. 1465 01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:15,800 Speaker 1: So I guess it could be a guy like Trey 1466 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,000 Speaker 1: Waynes who was returning that didn't play. Yeah, I mean, 1467 01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, I can't wait to see, you know, his 1468 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:26,519 Speaker 1: his contribution, DJ reader, I think was was playing well 1469 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,439 Speaker 1: and uh, you only got a couple of snaps in before, 1470 01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, having that that severe knee injury. So you know, 1471 01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,400 Speaker 1: I think I think him and and that that's that's 1472 01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,400 Speaker 1: brings you know, to the to the other point. It's, uh, 1473 01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,960 Speaker 1: it's it's almost like you've got two free agency classes 1474 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,120 Speaker 1: instead of just one with with guys like Trey Waynes 1475 01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,920 Speaker 1: and DJ Reader being added to the guys that they've 1476 01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,720 Speaker 1: signed on defense. Uh, you know in this offseason with 1477 01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:58,240 Speaker 1: Mike Hilton's and uh hit Cheeto and uh you know 1478 01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,280 Speaker 1: you had Trey Waynes to that, and it's uh, it 1479 01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:05,120 Speaker 1: really is, it really is pretty pretty incredible. Ricardo Allen 1480 01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:09,960 Speaker 1: um Eli Apple. I mean, they they've remade their secondary 1481 01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:15,920 Speaker 1: DJ Reader, Trey Hendrickson, Clarry Ogan, Joebie. I mean, it's 1482 01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,720 Speaker 1: it's it's remarkable what they've done in terms of free 1483 01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:23,520 Speaker 1: agency the last two years. The defense is totally redone, reshuffled, 1484 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,960 Speaker 1: and I think it's going to be interesting who steps up, 1485 01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,439 Speaker 1: who steps up and performs at the levels that they 1486 01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,600 Speaker 1: were evaluated at and the team's projecting them to play it. 1487 01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm a Logan Wilson guy. I think Logan Wilson is 1488 01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,759 Speaker 1: going to be I expect him to come up big. 1489 01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,320 Speaker 1: They obviously have a lot of confidence in him because 1490 01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:44,320 Speaker 1: they seem to suggest that he will be starting a 1491 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:50,519 Speaker 1: rat and I think that they're very high on when 1492 01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,640 Speaker 1: they draft. You know, they were cyber Leaf when they 1493 01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,040 Speaker 1: did get him at the top of the third round, 1494 01:19:56,040 --> 01:20:00,160 Speaker 1: and I think they feel like his football instincts, his 1495 01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:04,400 Speaker 1: quickness and his athleticism is something they really haven't had 1496 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,880 Speaker 1: a bet spot. They've tried there too down through the years, 1497 01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,599 Speaker 1: but I expect him to take a big guy. He'll 1498 01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,160 Speaker 1: be starting getting a lot of snaps that year wanted 1499 01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,479 Speaker 1: two jump I think will be huge for Roldan Wilson. 1500 01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:21,519 Speaker 1: And on that note, we will wrap up this logger 1501 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:25,400 Speaker 1: than anticipated but hopefully very entertaining version of the Bengals 1502 01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,720 Speaker 1: Booth Podcast. Gentlemen, I really appreciate your time. Thank you, 1503 01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,400 Speaker 1: Thanks forty. Always great to be with you. Guys, appreciate it. Dan, 1504 01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,160 Speaker 1: good to see you. Butch same here and laugh. Thank you. 1505 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:37,960 Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this week's episode of 1506 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,560 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast, brought to you by bud Light Seltzer. 1507 01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,240 Speaker 1: Refresh the game. If you haven't done so already, please subscribe, 1508 01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,160 Speaker 1: and if you have a minute, given a rating or 1509 01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:51,640 Speaker 1: share a comment that helps more Bengals fans find this podcast. 1510 01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,559 Speaker 1: I'm Dan Horde and thank you for listening to The 1511 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,360 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast.