Speaker 1: You regret some things in life. I regret not calling
Speaker 1: Lebron telling him I was stepping down, right, I really
Speaker 1: regretted that. Right all my life and running all my life, sacrifice,
Speaker 1: hustle back, pricing right, Want a slice? Got the broll
Speaker 1: dice to swadd all my life? I've been grinding all
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Speaker 1: all my life. Hello, welcome to another edition of Club
Speaker 1: Sha Shay. I am your whole Shannon Sharp. I'm also
Speaker 1: the proproud of Club Sha Shade and the guy that's
Speaker 1: stopping buy for conversation on the drink today, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need any introduction, but I'll give him one anyway.
Speaker 1: He's a ten time NBA Champ, five as a player,
Speaker 1: five as an owner executive, A three times Finals MVP,
Speaker 1: A three times NBA MVP, twelve time All Star, two
Speaker 1: time All Star Game MVP, nine time All NBA First Team,
Speaker 1: Olympic gold medalist, two times Basketball All of heym in
Speaker 1: duc D, member of the seventy fifth Anniversary team and
Speaker 1: the fiftieth Anniversary Team, nca Champion, NCAA Final four Most
Speaker 1: Outstanding Player, mister Basketball in the state of Michigan. He's
Speaker 1: a leader, a father of philanthropist, an entrepreneur, a dreamer,
Speaker 1: a fighter who I run out of words to describe
Speaker 1: who he is. Herban Magic Johsan, but you can call
Speaker 1: him Magic. How you doing, I'm doing great, And then
Speaker 1: thank you for having me on. You know, we've been
Speaker 1: trying to hook this up. So this has been ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. This has been in the making for two
Speaker 1: years now. The man told me. I think I asked
Speaker 1: him at the end of twenty twenty. We're in the pandemic.
Speaker 1: He said, when we get out this pandemic, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come see you, okay. I saw twenty twenty one. He said,
Speaker 1: I ain't forgot about you that I just don't forget
Speaker 1: about you. I said, okay, okay, mat So Harry Fans
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. I saw him in the gym, I said,
Speaker 1: he say, talk to my assistant. We're gonna get it done.
Speaker 1: I saw her. We were talking. I saw her about
Speaker 1: We saw I saw each other about three months ago.
Speaker 1: I said, Magic said he gonna get me done. He said, well,
Speaker 1: he's gone on a vacation and when he gets back,
Speaker 1: I said, he just got back in the like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you go out again. But thank thank for your time.
Speaker 1: How you doing. I'm doing great, man, everything going very well.
Speaker 1: So tell me about this this this this month long
Speaker 1: vacation that you How long has it been, how long
Speaker 1: have you been doing it? And what made you decide
Speaker 1: to say, you know what, I need a vacation for
Speaker 1: a month. Most peopould take a week, maybe two. You
Speaker 1: do a month this week this year might have been
Speaker 1: too month or Shannon. I worked so hard and I
Speaker 1: said to my wife Cookie, I said, we went on
Speaker 1: vacation for two weeks, right, And I said, man, it's
Speaker 1: not enough. So the next year we did three weeks. Okay,
Speaker 1: I said, man, it's so, I said four weeks. It said,
Speaker 1: oh man, we did that for about five years and
Speaker 1: I said that's not enough. So we started doing now
Speaker 1: five weeks. But the blessing is we've been going to
Speaker 1: Europe for thirty one years. Wow, And so that's our
Speaker 1: annual trip. I believe if I get everything that I
Speaker 1: want and I know the place right, why not just
Speaker 1: keep going back, because do you go back to the
Speaker 1: same place, say a lot of the same places and
Speaker 1: some new places in Europe, so that's a long time
Speaker 1: to go. So you've seen damn everything. What happened you see,
Speaker 1: and it's about that, right, But also I love Italian food, right,
Speaker 1: go to Italy, get the best, man, get the best.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's amazing. I gotta stay on my workout.
Speaker 1: But tell us about the lottery that you have that
Speaker 1: you that you every year you have different couples go
Speaker 1: along with you. I've seen l and his family go.
Speaker 1: I've seen Samuel Jackson his family go. I think Rodney
Speaker 1: and Holly peat rid along with you class, So how
Speaker 1: do you come up with this lottery? That's good? Nobody
Speaker 1: ever said that I'm gonna use that one. Well, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's really my wife, right, she says, Okay, baby,
Speaker 1: what we want to do, right, Hey, it's on you.
Speaker 1: We we we go with couples that you know, we
Speaker 1: have something in common, right, we can have a lot
Speaker 1: of fun with that's right. That's right, watch movies with
Speaker 1: because on a yacht you're spending a lot of closer walks.
Speaker 1: So we know them, all of them. Rodney and Holly
Speaker 1: Sam and Latania Jackson, and like you said, l L
Speaker 1: and his wife Simone, So we know them very well.
Speaker 1: They know us, so it's easy to go on a
Speaker 1: trip with them and spend a lot of quality time
Speaker 1: with them as well. I just saw on Showtimes you
Speaker 1: guys had the anniversal where you guys reunited with the
Speaker 1: Showtime Lakers. How did that come about? Well, Sandon, it
Speaker 1: was funny because I called Coach Rodley and said, listen, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta do the Showtime reunion right. The only thing
Speaker 1: we haven't done is gotten together, right. So he said
Speaker 1: Buck that you know, everybody called me Buck, Buck, go
Speaker 1: ahead and put it together. So I got it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got it. So I called my staff and together
Speaker 1: and said, we're gonna do the Showtime reunion. The Lakers
Speaker 1: always trained in Hawaii, so we're gonna vote to Hawaii
Speaker 1: because that's the bus's favorite place. Okay, called the hotel,
Speaker 1: got the four Seasons on board, got American Airlines on board,
Speaker 1: so we got all these different companies on board, and
Speaker 1: then called the guys man. They they all went crazy,
Speaker 1: and Shannon, it was the best time. It was emotional,
Speaker 1: It was gratifying. It was. It was everything all in one.
Speaker 1: And then when we got on the bus one more time,
Speaker 1: this is crazy, you you know how this is? Everybody
Speaker 1: got their favorite seat right right. Guess what, everybody went
Speaker 1: back to the same same seat. That's when I said, oh,
Speaker 1: this is awesome. It's been thirty five forty years, that's right.
Speaker 1: And then I had made sure we had the uniform,
Speaker 1: so they had their number, they name on it, and man,
Speaker 1: we went into the gym. Hey, we were missing more
Speaker 1: shots than we were making. But you know what, magic,
Speaker 1: As you guys have gone about your your separate ways,
Speaker 1: you don't get an opportunity to reconnect. That's right. I
Speaker 1: mean early on when you retire, you see each other
Speaker 1: all the time. But now as you become fathers, i
Speaker 1: mean grandfathers, some great great grandfathers, you've kind of you know,
Speaker 1: kind of you know, moved about the different ways some
Speaker 1: people are over here in Georgia aware. But so to
Speaker 1: get back together, there's something there's something about a bond
Speaker 1: in a championship team. You can play together, but that
Speaker 1: bond because you know what it took for in order
Speaker 1: for you to win that championship. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of sacrifices a lot of guys had to make and
Speaker 1: to come back and relive that moment. Man, you really
Speaker 1: looting that bus and we've going to ballstol. You remember
Speaker 1: that bus we going We played in Detroit. That's it
Speaker 1: right there. It was a storyteller, right, you know, going
Speaker 1: back thirty years ago and what happened. We were telling
Speaker 1: all the stories. Some have changed because you know, we
Speaker 1: put a little extra on it, lying a little, but
Speaker 1: it was so much fun, man. And then we had
Speaker 1: karaoke night every season night. I can't sing, but I
Speaker 1: was up there singing. Buyer Scott can sing, right. But
Speaker 1: we had a ball man just a week, just spending
Speaker 1: time together. And you're right, a lot of guys live
Speaker 1: on the East Coast, so I don't get I didn't
Speaker 1: see him for thirty years, twenty five years, right, So
Speaker 1: it was just a one of full time. I'm glad
Speaker 1: I did it. I'm glad Coach Riley and I came
Speaker 1: together so we could put this together for the showtime Lake,
Speaker 1: talk to me about Coach Riley because I mean every
Speaker 1: everybody that I've talked that heard talk about him. Man,
Speaker 1: he tough, he no nonsense. They call it Mafius, the
Speaker 1: bat Riley, what could take? How was it? How was
Speaker 1: he as the coach? Magic? He was what you just said.
Speaker 1: He was a tough coach, only Hey, I want you
Speaker 1: to come in here and give one hundred fifty percent.
Speaker 1: And he was a detail oriented dude. Right. We were
Speaker 1: so prepared for our opponent because he went over everything,
Speaker 1: whether that was rebounding, defense, offensively, what we're gonna do
Speaker 1: to attack their defense. Also too, Mentally, he believed in
Speaker 1: mental toughness. Right. He didn't want nobody if you weren't
Speaker 1: mentally tough, you couldn't play for pat Riley in the Lakers, right, right,
Speaker 1: And so he believed in that. And then one thing
Speaker 1: he he was great at identifying talent, letting that talent
Speaker 1: play right, and not over coaching. Okay, see he let
Speaker 1: you go, right, he said, Buck, I don't want you
Speaker 1: to look at me call the place right, he said,
Speaker 1: but I want you running. This was this whole thing, Shannon.
Speaker 1: They may not get tired in the first quarter, right,
Speaker 1: they may not get tired in the second quarter, but
Speaker 1: if we keep running in the third quarter, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be hanging on their shorts saying, but you know, magic.
Speaker 1: In order for them to be hanging on their shorts.
Speaker 1: That means you had to be in camp and in practice,
Speaker 1: you gotta had to go to that next level in
Speaker 1: order to get them tired later in the ball games
Speaker 1: so hard. The first hour of practice was all running,
Speaker 1: all running, all conditioning, and man, so when we got
Speaker 1: to the game, the game was easy and the game
Speaker 1: was so easy. And I had Michael Cooper guarding me
Speaker 1: every single practice. But when I saw somebody guarding me
Speaker 1: on the other team, I like, man, you're easy. Right.
Speaker 1: So when people talk about like the greatest team, obviously
Speaker 1: your Showtime Lakers come up. They talk about the Bulls
Speaker 1: in the nineties. All of a sudden, I the Warriors
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen with Kevin Durant, the Celtics, that you're great.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into those Where would you rank your
Speaker 1: Showtime Lakers? Oh, we're definitely one of the greatest teams
Speaker 1: ever because we had everything. I could do everything. And
Speaker 1: that's when you got a guy like Kareem that dominate
Speaker 1: the inside right right, James Worthy, Oh man, what the break? Yes?
Speaker 1: And then you got the shooters and Byron Scott, Michael Cooper,
Speaker 1: and we had the defensive mentality as well. We can
Speaker 1: defend you and then get out and run. So we
Speaker 1: could score inside, outside and on the break. That's hard
Speaker 1: to defend. And we had the coach because pat Riley
Speaker 1: is to me the best coach and that's ever lived.
Speaker 1: But he could make end game adjustments that were critical, right,
Speaker 1: and also he motivated you. So this man could take
Speaker 1: us and play. We could play against anybody and win.
Speaker 1: So how do you But because you guys would run
Speaker 1: and when you think show time Lakers, you don't think physical.
Speaker 1: When you think bad boy Pistons, the first thing come
Speaker 1: to your mind, right, But you guys, you had to
Speaker 1: match that mentality the Celtics. We don't think about the self.
Speaker 1: But the Celtics was a physical, a big physical team.
Speaker 1: They've had those three imposed. They had Bird McHale in
Speaker 1: Parish seven foot Parish six nine, Michael sixth nine birth,
Speaker 1: That front Laft point line was John normous. But they
Speaker 1: were physical, bunckt with DJ and still the greatest front
Speaker 1: line we've ever probably seen in basketball. Right, they were
Speaker 1: physical and also they were smart. The Celtics were not
Speaker 1: going to beat themselves. You had to beat them right, right,
Speaker 1: and then to Isaiah and his bad boy pistons. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's ever been a more physical team than them.
Speaker 1: They imposed their will on you, right, right. They beat
Speaker 1: you up man, right, and if you flinched, it was
Speaker 1: over for you. Right. So in eighty eight when we
Speaker 1: played them, it was a physical matchup seven game series.
Speaker 1: We won in game seven. But the next year in
Speaker 1: the eighty nine, they came back and beat us, right,
Speaker 1: and they could do things very few teams could do.
Speaker 1: They could be physical, and then they had that three
Speaker 1: headed monster Isaiah, Joe Dumars and Vinnie Johnson, Right, you
Speaker 1: couldn't do. And I'm not even talking about john sally.
Speaker 1: And when they when they when they brought that that
Speaker 1: specific style football to the basketball court, did you think
Speaker 1: that was basketball? Yes, only because Isaiah and Joe still
Speaker 1: had finesse and still it was it tough to play
Speaker 1: against it, of course, But you know, give them credit.
Speaker 1: They won back to back championships, correct. I never take
Speaker 1: anything away from a champion, right, And so they proved
Speaker 1: that style could win, right, and they won with it,
Speaker 1: and so give them credit and and to me one
Speaker 1: of the greatest teams as well, because defensively, I don't
Speaker 1: know if we seen a better team than the Presidents. Right,
Speaker 1: you went to twelve You went to nine finals in
Speaker 1: twelve years. And we've seen teams that when they start
Speaker 1: going to finals. We see when the Warriors they went
Speaker 1: to those finals, the guys started the injuries, you know,
Speaker 1: Clay hurt got hurt, Katie got hurt. When you go
Speaker 1: to night, did you feel that took some of the
Speaker 1: some of your years off your career going to so
Speaker 1: many finals, because it was tough every single year and
Speaker 1: a lot of times you were going seven games, You're
Speaker 1: going deep, that's right. No, Nope, it had to. We're
Speaker 1: playing more games than any other team, right, and so
Speaker 1: when you add the regular season and then you add
Speaker 1: up the playoff games as well every year. And then
Speaker 1: we were also professional, so we only took probably two
Speaker 1: or three weeks off and then we were right back
Speaker 1: at it training. So we when I played, I trained
Speaker 1: all the time. Right. My coach Pat Rowley had to
Speaker 1: call him and said, stop training, you're gonna burn yourself out.
Speaker 1: But I didn't know nothing else, right, right, that's I
Speaker 1: always wanted to come in camp in shape, and star
Speaker 1: they're using camp to get in shape. But let me
Speaker 1: ask your question when you say training, obviously you see
Speaker 1: these guys now they're doing a lot of these drills,
Speaker 1: but a lot of your training was open run, exactually
Speaker 1: playing the game of basketball. It wasn't so much drills. No,
Speaker 1: like these guys are doing not no, no. And I
Speaker 1: think for me, I'm so happy I played five on five. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's what Isaiah would call. Man, we're playing in
Speaker 1: the summer league in Chicago. We're gonna run for two weeks.
Speaker 1: I'm there, okay. So I went to Chicago, played in
Speaker 1: the summer league for two weeks. Right, then Dominique would
Speaker 1: call and say, hey, we're playing in Atlanta, come on
Speaker 1: to the summer league there. So we spent two weeks
Speaker 1: with Dominique playing in Atlanta Summer League. And then that
Speaker 1: was before the NBA had a summer league, them league, right,
Speaker 1: that's why the gyms were packed back all those guys
Speaker 1: in there, professionals playing in the summer league. And then
Speaker 1: we would come to Detroit and Lansing where I'm from, right,
Speaker 1: and we were playing the summer So we played all
Speaker 1: the time, and we even barnstorm sometime as well. Went
Speaker 1: to a lot of cities that wasn't on, didn't have
Speaker 1: an NBA team, Man fitz Birmingham, and we would just
Speaker 1: play five on five and people would come out and
Speaker 1: see his play. I wanna go to something forward. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go back, but I'm gonna go to something forward.
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook from LA starting to okay, see goes to Houston,
Speaker 1: goes to Washington. His dream after seeing Covid Shaq hold
Speaker 1: up the trophies. He's been a lifelong Laker fan. He
Speaker 1: comes here and it's not going to according to plan.
Speaker 1: And I think there's no greater person to speak to
Speaker 1: this than to you. You've gotten booed twice in LA. Right,
Speaker 1: you win the championship and all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: and the coach for the rever reason, you guys can't
Speaker 1: get along. And then the second time happened in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty four. They gave you a nickname, right, Tragic Magic,
Speaker 1: even after two finals, MVP, even after going to all
Speaker 1: those finals. This is what they bestowed upon you. If
Speaker 1: you can, if you, if Russell Westbrook was sitting down
Speaker 1: right here, what advice would you give him? First? Take accountability?
Speaker 1: Okay number one? Okay, If I don't play well, say
Speaker 1: I don't play well. You know when I didn't perform
Speaker 1: well in eighty four against the Celtics, Right, I admitted
Speaker 1: that I took accountability and said, hey, I didn't perform well.
Speaker 1: I was the reason why the Lakers lost the series,
Speaker 1: and I had to say to myself, I gotta get better.
Speaker 1: So what did I do. I went out and that
Speaker 1: whole summer I trained hard and got better. And then
Speaker 1: we played him again in eighty five. Next season, man,
Speaker 1: I was on fire. We won. No, you didn't hear that?
Speaker 1: No more right? The same thing with coach west Head
Speaker 1: went after he got fired. They booed me for about
Speaker 1: a month. So because that was the first time Magic,
Speaker 1: because Magic said, you know, a, I can't play with it.
Speaker 1: Got magic? Your boy need to got here. Becaudn't Coach
Speaker 1: Man just just he slowed us down. We were running team,
Speaker 1: but he wanted to slow the pace down. And we're
Speaker 1: not a dominant You're not walking the ball up four team,
Speaker 1: that's right, half court team. We're running and gunning team.
Speaker 1: So I got boozed. So I told coach Role. I said,
Speaker 1: oh I'm about to turn it up. I must have
Speaker 1: went for about ten triple doubles, right, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you stop stop hearing them boos, right, turn
Speaker 1: into cheers, okay, and then we end up winning the
Speaker 1: championship that same year, right, see. And so that's what
Speaker 1: Russell got to do. Quit trying to fight the media,
Speaker 1: quit trying to fight the fans, and just say, you
Speaker 1: know what, I didn't play well, but I'm gonna play better, right,
Speaker 1: and go out there on the court and perform. Right.
Speaker 1: That's how you stop all the things that's going on.
Speaker 1: But you can't do it by trying to come back
Speaker 1: them right and trying to be mad at the fans
Speaker 1: or at the media, because the media got a job
Speaker 1: correcting their job. If you're not playing well, say it, right.
Speaker 1: And I didn't mind them taking shots at me in
Speaker 1: eighty four, right, I didn't play well. And the thing
Speaker 1: is with the Lakers magic, And you know this is
Speaker 1: that the fans no good basketball, no question, it ain't
Speaker 1: about and the fans. This is what if I say
Speaker 1: about the fans of the Lakers from being out here
Speaker 1: for six years, it doesn't matter what you did somewhere else. No,
Speaker 1: you need to do that for us. That's right for
Speaker 1: us to cheer you and to love you. Do that, dude,
Speaker 1: get one hundred tripled over for us, that's right, like
Speaker 1: you did those other teams. Lebron had to find that out. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And remember when he first came everybody was still talking
Speaker 1: about Kobe. Oh wait man, and they wouldn't let you
Speaker 1: put no murals up. That's right, remember that. So what
Speaker 1: did the Lebron do? Let me come in here and
Speaker 1: turn it out, turn it out, let me win the championship.
Speaker 1: Oh that's gone right, right, he's beloved now. But Russell,
Speaker 1: we know championship basketball year, we know winning basketball. So listen,
Speaker 1: just come in, do your job, and if you don't
Speaker 1: play well, accept that. Let's say it, right, and then
Speaker 1: come back and hopefully play better the next time, and
Speaker 1: then the fans will will respect you for that. Right.
Speaker 1: They respected me when I said I didn't play well, right, right,
Speaker 1: but I'll be back. They wanted to hear you say that.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to hear you say, well, this team
Speaker 1: they played so much better. You're like, no, the balls
Speaker 1: in my hands. I got to play better. I'm the quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's right. You're the point guard. The ball is in
Speaker 1: your hand. You're the floor general, you gotta make better decisions.
Speaker 1: You gotta make them layups. You know, you gotta hit
Speaker 1: your shot right, and then you gotta play hard. See
Speaker 1: where Laker fans get mad. Last season we were down
Speaker 1: there arguing with the referees and they were down there
Speaker 1: dunking on it. Right. We can't we can't take that.
Speaker 1: We can't stand that, right, No, bust your butt to
Speaker 1: get back. Try to stop them when it's a time out. Now,
Speaker 1: you talk to the reference right, right. I never did that,
Speaker 1: not one time. I always even if a bad call,
Speaker 1: I'm running back right because I gotta help my teammates. Correct.
Speaker 1: You know, we're trying to win. And then when the
Speaker 1: whistle blow knocks, Hey, now I'm gonna need that call,
Speaker 1: said gay that called them down there on that hear Now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need that same call. And that's all you
Speaker 1: gotta do. See, it's another thing. You can't show them
Speaker 1: up like this, Yes, and hold your hands up like
Speaker 1: a wave. Mom. That's right, that's right. You gotta get
Speaker 1: over there. And man, you missed that one. You missed
Speaker 1: that one, right, You owe me one, right, everybody. The
Speaker 1: greatest individual rivalry in basketball, You and Larry Pride prior
Speaker 1: to that NCAA tournament, still with the most watched NCAA
Speaker 1: Finals game in in NCAA history. How much did you
Speaker 1: know about Larry Bird prior to that game? Well, Shannon,
Speaker 1: the summer before, they had the w i T Tournament, Okay,
Speaker 1: and they brought all the best college players together, okay
Speaker 1: to play against the world. Okay, and man, let's see
Speaker 1: this guy, you know, blonde. Let me see if he
Speaker 1: could play. Okay, Man, I'm sitting there watching him. Shoo, Shannon.
Speaker 1: He must have made thirty in a row or net.
Speaker 1: So he was Steph Curb before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I'm sitting up tre this dude can play. Okay. You know, brothers,
Speaker 1: we always say, okay, Kenning the way dude really play, right,
Speaker 1: So then I said, oh man, you're a bad boy.
Speaker 1: Right then we got in the game. Jack Gibbons was
Speaker 1: player of the Year that year, right, he tore him up,
Speaker 1: man from Jacket from Kentucky, Kentucky that same time. Yeah, yeah, okay, man,
Speaker 1: Larry Bird was taking it to him. I said, oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm calling back home saying, oh he for real, he
Speaker 1: for real, this new Larry Bird, right, Oh he got it. Play.
Speaker 1: He's dominating Jack Givings, And they said, no way. I said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's dominant. So here we go six seven months later, right,
Speaker 1: we're playing in the NCAA championship game. He's player of
Speaker 1: the year. Sports Illustrated, all the magazines got he on
Speaker 1: the cover, right, and I said, wow, And they're thirty
Speaker 1: three and thirty three old man. I said, oh, and
Speaker 1: it hadn't been ranked since, that's right, And it wasn't
Speaker 1: right before. And we put two guys on him. We
Speaker 1: double teamed, and we knew we could beat him because
Speaker 1: Greg Kelser, he was a superstar in college. Yeah, Meg
Speaker 1: was dominant. That was the first, really, the first time
Speaker 1: I started seeing the value. Yeah, cause you got you got,
Speaker 1: you got brought that cause hey, you come down the
Speaker 1: court and throwing up and like, oh that was so great.
Speaker 1: It was sweet man. And and he could just jump
Speaker 1: out to Jim and control of his body. And he
Speaker 1: had a phenomenal college career. Right, So uh, we figured
Speaker 1: two stars could beat one, Right, that's what happened. You
Speaker 1: come into the NBA because back then people don't realize this.
Speaker 1: They could draft you a year early. He went back
Speaker 1: to school the Celtics took took Larry with the six pick,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, in seventy eight the year before, right,
Speaker 1: and he went back to school's right, and so they
Speaker 1: still own this draft rights. So you guys, so you
Speaker 1: guys have this, Okay, how fitting he goes to the Celtics,
Speaker 1: you go to the Lakers, and we know this robbery
Speaker 1: in the sixties that that that was the basketball And
Speaker 1: so now did you have any idea that you guys
Speaker 1: were gonna put basketball the NBA back on the map
Speaker 1: and you're gonna redefine what the NBA was. No, Shannon,
Speaker 1: we didn't know. But what we just did was just
Speaker 1: played our game. We ended up in the two most famous,
Speaker 1: you know, franchises, Celtics and the Lakers. And then his
Speaker 1: personality was Boston. My personality with was Hollywood. I mean,
Speaker 1: they couldn't have scripted this any better. And then I
Speaker 1: you know, I'm playing with Kareem and all the guys,
Speaker 1: And who would ever thought that my first final, my
Speaker 1: rookie season, we're on tape delayed. Yeah, the finals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what people don't realize. The game weren't live. No, No,
Speaker 1: I could go play and go home and watch What's
Speaker 1: that night? Yeah? Right, And so we actually brought the
Speaker 1: finals and all the other games to play time TV.
Speaker 1: Larry and I changed the whole league and also to
Speaker 1: every other year the Lakers who win or the Celtics. Right,
Speaker 1: Lakers who win, Celtics would win. So it was just
Speaker 1: great and I'm glad that we came in together because
Speaker 1: I had somebody to measure myself right and say, hey, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's great. I can't let him get too far ahead
Speaker 1: of me. I gotta work hard because I want to stay.
Speaker 1: How would you how would you guys relationship? How would
Speaker 1: you describe your relationship? Obviously you beat him in the
Speaker 1: n City the finals from seventy nine, but how was
Speaker 1: your relationship once you got to the NBA? Because I
Speaker 1: think the thing was he was Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1: I think you got like one or two votes, that's all.
Speaker 1: That's all you. I think I think it was like
Speaker 1: thirty two, thirty three, like one or two. No, even
Speaker 1: more than that, it was sixty something that like two.
Speaker 1: I hate to say that too, I gotta say that
Speaker 1: on team. And so I was pissed. Man, I was mad,
Speaker 1: You're like, hold on, I led a team to the
Speaker 1: I can't get but two votes two votes, became the
Speaker 1: first rookie in NBA history to be named Finals NBA.
Speaker 1: I was only the third dude ever in NBA history
Speaker 1: to go from the College championship to the NBA Finals
Speaker 1: Championship and votes and they were too la. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, he's not that much better than me,
Speaker 1: not sixty three to two, but okay, I took it.
Speaker 1: I took it. But our relationship Shannon was fractured because
Speaker 1: Celtics lakers, right. See, we hated them, they hated us, right,
Speaker 1: so we can never get right right. I couldn't get
Speaker 1: Riley stressed that right. He said, I don't want if
Speaker 1: a Celtic go to the ground, you better not pick
Speaker 1: him up, right, And so we had to hate him
Speaker 1: to beat him right, right right. It wasn't until eighties
Speaker 1: seven I went out Converse wanted to do a commercial
Speaker 1: with both of us. Okay, I flew out the friends
Speaker 1: Lick Indiana away from the weapons to con exactly. So
Speaker 1: he had the black one that I had the purple
Speaker 1: and going right. So we shot about half the commercial
Speaker 1: a little bit more and it's lunch time, so I'm
Speaker 1: thinking I'm going to trailer because we're really having break
Speaker 1: broken bread or like this. So as I'm taking about
Speaker 1: three steps towards the trailer, he said, Magic man, I
Speaker 1: like you have lunch with me up at the house.
Speaker 1: My mom has prepared lunch. He threw the mom, you know,
Speaker 1: my eating threw the mom in there. So I go
Speaker 1: to the to the house, you know, and uh, he's
Speaker 1: down there. I'm down here. She's bringing out all the
Speaker 1: dishes and she brought that last one and set it
Speaker 1: down and she hit him. Said did you tell him yet?
Speaker 1: And Larry said, nah, Mom, you tell him. She turned
Speaker 1: and said, Magic, You're my favorite basketball player. And I
Speaker 1: just said, oh, that was it. And then we started
Speaker 1: talking right like two little boys, right, and you know
Speaker 1: we we we're similar. We grew up poor, we're both
Speaker 1: from the Midwest. We love the game. We loved to win,
Speaker 1: you know, one on one, and that's when our friendship
Speaker 1: evolved and grew and we've been friends ever since. Leave
Speaker 1: the NBA. You lead the NBA with eleven point two
Speaker 1: assists per game. Here are some of the records that
Speaker 1: you have In the playoffs finals, you have the finals
Speaker 1: twenty one assists in the finals game twenty three hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty three hundred and sists for the playoffs. Only
Speaker 1: player to average twelve asif twelve assists in the NBA
Speaker 1: Finals and you did that six times Playoffs single game
Speaker 1: high of twenty four only player to have a triple
Speaker 1: double in multiple series game clinching game. When you look
Speaker 1: back over your career, do you think, like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if these records, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody ever gets might yeah, I don't know, if
Speaker 1: somebody gone the playoff game. Yeah, it's it's it's awesome.
Speaker 1: I've been blessed, you know, and sharing I just played
Speaker 1: to win, man and right. So my job was to
Speaker 1: set up my teammates, put them in a position that
Speaker 1: they could be successful and succeed. And and that means
Speaker 1: that meant that we were going to win, right, right,
Speaker 1: you name all these things. I don't know. I know
Speaker 1: that I did my job, but I did it well, right.
Speaker 1: The main thing for me is that we won those
Speaker 1: five championships. We went to the finals, Like you said,
Speaker 1: nine and twelve years. That's all I cared about, right,
Speaker 1: That's all I cared about. I just care about winning
Speaker 1: and doing things playing the game of basketball the right way.
Speaker 1: It's like now doing everything the right way off the
Speaker 1: court as well. So I love that, the fact that
Speaker 1: I have all those records, But I don't think about him.
Speaker 1: I just think about the rings and that I had,
Speaker 1: my love for the game and my teammates. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: change anything. A lot of people say, oh, man, the
Speaker 1: money they making today, Boy boy, don't you wish you
Speaker 1: were playing today? And I always say, no, no. I said,
Speaker 1: there's nothing like playing the Celtics and the whole country
Speaker 1: is watching right right, and I got to go into
Speaker 1: Boston Garden and try to shut those fans up. There
Speaker 1: was nothing like that then, you know, playing against Isaiah
Speaker 1: and the bad boys that whole series. And then we
Speaker 1: only got one time to play against Michael Jordan, and
Speaker 1: it's too bad we had to play only once. But
Speaker 1: it was still a joy for me right to play
Speaker 1: against him and this bull. Listen, that was my idol,
Speaker 1: right right. I love Doctor J. Tell about the story,
Speaker 1: because if I'm not mistaken, you spent the summer with
Speaker 1: Dr J the year before you beat him in the
Speaker 1: NBA finals. Yeah, so I call him up. I get
Speaker 1: his number, and I say, Doc, can you tell me
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about turning pro right? You did it already.
Speaker 1: What's the pros and cons of leaving school early? So
Speaker 1: he said, you know what, young fellow, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: you one better. I'm gonna fly you out the Philly.
Speaker 1: You're gonna stay with me. We're in the playoffs. You're
Speaker 1: gonna stay at my house, watch us play the game,
Speaker 1: and then we have conversations. I said, but what did
Speaker 1: you just say? I'm screaming. Tell my parents. I'm getting
Speaker 1: ready going to doctor James. I'm going crazy. What you're
Speaker 1: a teenager? I'm yes, I'm nineteen years old, right, I'm
Speaker 1: nineteen and he's flying me to Philly. It was crazy, Sanna.
Speaker 1: So I get to the crib man. He got the
Speaker 1: big house, right, I said, oh yeah, I'm going. He
Speaker 1: had the Roars Roys come pick me up. I said, yep,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing now. But for him to
Speaker 1: do that, right him and his wife, I always tell
Speaker 1: him I never forget that. Right. He didn't have to
Speaker 1: do that because talked to me on the front, told
Speaker 1: me what I needed to know. But he said, come on,
Speaker 1: and I had a great four or five days with him,
Speaker 1: and then I'm playing him seven months later. He probably
Speaker 1: was you had it. He probably was showed up in a
Speaker 1: a niss the whole day. Because one thing about it, Man,
Speaker 1: you get caught. It's only a few players I've ever
Speaker 1: got caught watching. Right. Doctor j was one you on
Speaker 1: the court with once Ip shing shit started walking in
Speaker 1: their Yeah, put it in his hand. Came up on
Speaker 1: the other side of the room. Now he's walking in
Speaker 1: the air. It's funny against the glass and good man,
Speaker 1: I said, should we ask him to do it again?
Speaker 1: I've never seen somebody hanging in the air that right,
Speaker 1: got the throw to man and he did some stuff
Speaker 1: to us. Who man, he dunked off. Coop was come.
Speaker 1: He went the baby. Yeah, I don't know what Coop
Speaker 1: was taking. I know Coop was thinking. And then he
Speaker 1: got a been with a bad man. He started rocking
Speaker 1: the baby. Bam, Doctor Jay. That was an old sectrum right, yes,
Speaker 1: and man, amazing man, just in first class. So I
Speaker 1: tried to pattern myself after him because he was first class.
Speaker 1: Nicest dude. He taught me a lot, right, talk me
Speaker 1: a lot even before I got into the league. Old
Speaker 1: doctor Jail a lot when you get to the Lakers,
Speaker 1: the guy that's on the team is already wanted, probably
Speaker 1: one of the two or three greatest players of all time.
Speaker 1: By the time you get there, he's a five time
Speaker 1: already MVP. He wins the MVP the year you get there.
Speaker 1: What was your impression of Kareem? Proud of you getting there?
Speaker 1: And then what was your impression of Kareem once you
Speaker 1: got there? He was a guy that I just idolized
Speaker 1: again and always wanted to. I was dreaming if I
Speaker 1: could just pass it to him a couple of times, right,
Speaker 1: and then this coin flip happened and I end up
Speaker 1: a Laker and I get there and everybody told me, listen, man,
Speaker 1: he'll quiet, dude. You know now here I am, I'm
Speaker 1: allowed dude with a big boom box. You know, I
Speaker 1: got in a flash flight. I'm coming in parliament and
Speaker 1: he was looking at me like, oh ho ho ho
Speaker 1: ho no no, no, no, no, cut that damn thing off.
Speaker 1: I's like, what, oh man, I had to be quiet.
Speaker 1: So that was our first encounter, you know, that training camp.
Speaker 1: But so I came to him about that second third day.
Speaker 1: I said, where you like it? He said, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about. I said where you like the ball?
Speaker 1: He said, I like it up high? I said, what
Speaker 1: hand you want me to throw it too? He said,
Speaker 1: young fellow, nobody's ever asked me that. I said, what
Speaker 1: hair you like it? Right or left? So I started
Speaker 1: throwing it to that right here where he wanted right,
Speaker 1: and he started opening up to me. I was his rookie, right.
Speaker 1: So I had to bring him gatorade every time it
Speaker 1: was a time out in practice, gatorade and water. I
Speaker 1: had to buy him hot dogs. They had to be
Speaker 1: beef hot dogs every time on the road to go
Speaker 1: get this hot dog. Okay, but I loved it, right,
Speaker 1: I loved it. You gained his trust. Yes, that's that's
Speaker 1: what I was working on. Yeah, first game, we down one.
Speaker 1: I remember this, three seconds to go, we throw it
Speaker 1: to him at the free throw line. The boy turns,
Speaker 1: shoots a sky hook on that. I go running. I've
Speaker 1: never seen nobody shoot a sky hook from the free line.
Speaker 1: You know me, I wear my emotions on my sleep.
Speaker 1: I went running. I jumped on him. I'm hugging him,
Speaker 1: choking him. Damn that with a good shot. Yea, So
Speaker 1: we can get into the locker room shutting. He said,
Speaker 1: come here, you got that stern look on it. But rookie,
Speaker 1: don't ever do that again. We have eighty one more games.
Speaker 1: We can't beat this high after the first game. So
Speaker 1: the whole locker room looking, now what am I going
Speaker 1: to do? Right? And they talking ooh, he got scolded.
Speaker 1: So I walked away and I came back to him. Listen, no,
Speaker 1: I'm looking up at him seven two. If you hit
Speaker 1: a shot like that, eighty one more time, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: jump in your arms eighty one more time. That's when
Speaker 1: they found out I ain't gonna take no stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna beating me. Right. You're gonna have to accept me
Speaker 1: who I am, just like I accept you for who
Speaker 1: you are. Right, you know what? So first twenty game
Speaker 1: we high five. Don't get back. But he ain't into
Speaker 1: that right. So about the next twenty game he started
Speaker 1: looking so he he he came across the lane and
Speaker 1: he dumped on somebody. All of a sudden, he came
Speaker 1: running over to me with my high five. Okay, now
Speaker 1: I had him the right. It's okay to enjoy yourself,
Speaker 1: it's okay to let right, Let go, right, man, We
Speaker 1: chuck off our relationship, chuck off the team, Chuck off there.
Speaker 1: It was right there. So I love Kareem. Smartest athlete
Speaker 1: I've ever met in my life. Wow, Yeah, he's amazing.
Speaker 1: Lebron James is about to do something unbelievable and I
Speaker 1: don't know if it will ever be done this way again,
Speaker 1: He's about to pass you for the all time, be
Speaker 1: passed you you. I think Ron third'll sis and pass
Speaker 1: Kareem for the all times and I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that will ever happen. No, No, it'll
Speaker 1: never happen like that again. What what makes Lebron so
Speaker 1: unique that he's able? He's not thought of as a
Speaker 1: score first guy, but here he is. He's on the
Speaker 1: cusp of being the all time leading score and he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a top five assist guy all time. All
Speaker 1: that at the same time, There's nobody at that hype
Speaker 1: and size that can move that fast and also go
Speaker 1: through contact and still score. We've never seen it be
Speaker 1: right right and still make his teammates better, right right.
Speaker 1: So he's leading in so many different ways. He could score,
Speaker 1: he could defend, he could rebound, he can assist. We've
Speaker 1: never seen that as a guy that size and that
Speaker 1: fast and that's strong. But also we forget he's the
Speaker 1: smartest dude right. See people, I keep telling people his
Speaker 1: basketball IQ's so far above everybody else. He reads situations,
Speaker 1: he reads the game. Okay, I need to score now,
Speaker 1: or let me get so and so involved. He could
Speaker 1: do it all. And I think at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, to pass two Lakers. You're on the Lakers
Speaker 1: right and now you're gonna pass me and then eventually
Speaker 1: kareem to be the all time leading scorer. Why and
Speaker 1: number three all time? And assistance wow? Wow, you gotta
Speaker 1: give it to him. Yeah, you gotta give it to him.
Speaker 1: And so uh and a good dude, yeah, a good
Speaker 1: dude and smart off the court too, build an incredible business.
Speaker 1: What what's your personal relationship because a lot of people
Speaker 1: like try to say, well, well, he's not George, and
Speaker 1: I've always felt he's more you than Jordan. Jordan was
Speaker 1: a score. Jordan was an assassin. You could score, but
Speaker 1: your job was to facilitate, make sure everybody else got
Speaker 1: a chance to eat. I'm gonna eat. It might be
Speaker 1: a little later, but I'm gonna eat. But I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna make sure they get their helpings first, yes, right,
Speaker 1: and he's between both of us. Yes, so he's got
Speaker 1: a little Jordan and a lot of meat. And the
Speaker 1: great thing about Lebron he brings it every single night
Speaker 1: for twenty years. Because them Cleveland teams, he had to
Speaker 1: bring it. Yeah, he put them on his back. That's
Speaker 1: a right, and he did that and took him to
Speaker 1: the finals. Yes, they didn't have clearly enough talented to
Speaker 1: be They had no business in them. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: So that's why he's remarkable. That's why he's special. Our
Speaker 1: relationship is good, you know when I talked to him,
Speaker 1: brought him here to play for the Lakers when I
Speaker 1: was a president of Basketball Operation for the Lakers. His team, Rich,
Speaker 1: Paul Maverick, we're all all good. The thing that I
Speaker 1: hope that he'll have a not a shot at an
Speaker 1: NBA finals, And right now we don't have enough talent. Yeah. Oh.
Speaker 1: When I look at this roster, and I watched the
Speaker 1: game the other night, and I know you did too,
Speaker 1: they are a younger version of what they were last
Speaker 1: year's guys that can't defend and can't shoot. They're just
Speaker 1: younger versions of that. That's all. That's all, so we
Speaker 1: definitely need to, you know, upgrade that upgrade the shooting
Speaker 1: and basketball. I QC were Golden State beat everybody. It's
Speaker 1: not just the shooting and everything, right, it's also the basketball.
Speaker 1: I q Draymond Green, H, Steph Clay, they sold Looney,
Speaker 1: they all Andre egual Dout. They're smart. Man. You so
Speaker 1: you've beaten. You gotta beat them two ways, right. You
Speaker 1: gotta beat them with your intelligence as well as your game. Right.
Speaker 1: So that's hard to do, right. You seem to be
Speaker 1: very good. I mean, imagine when guys pass you as
Speaker 1: far as all time assists, you seem to be cool
Speaker 1: with it. How do you think Kareem's gonna take when
Speaker 1: when Lebron finally passes him? Because for the longest time,
Speaker 1: I don't think me personally, I don't think Kareem gets
Speaker 1: the credit that he deserved as a six time MVP
Speaker 1: and six championship, the all time lead score, third leading
Speaker 1: rebound of all time. I don't think he gets nearly
Speaker 1: enough credit. But he's always been able to hang his
Speaker 1: hat on I'm the all time lead score exactly. Now.
Speaker 1: People don't talk about the number two. People don't talk
Speaker 1: about the number two score. They don't talk about the
Speaker 1: number two assists man, the number two rebounder, the number
Speaker 1: two blocks. Nobody cared about. Number two is number one.
Speaker 1: How do you think he will handle that? Well, I
Speaker 1: don't think well, I mean, I mean, let's just be honest.
Speaker 1: If I got to say, we gotta be honest, right,
Speaker 1: you know. And the fact that it's a dude playing
Speaker 1: for the Lakers, right, no, right, you know it's a
Speaker 1: dude playing in La right. No. So I think it'll
Speaker 1: be a hard pill to swallow. He eventually, because he's
Speaker 1: had that record for almost forty years, Kareem, And imagine,
Speaker 1: and I think he thought he was gonna have it forever. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he thought he was gonna have it for
Speaker 1: to play that long. I mean, Lebron is averaged in
Speaker 1: twenty five points a game for twenty years. Kareem averaged
Speaker 1: twenty four points a game. So somebody to break Lebron's record,
Speaker 1: it's gonna probably have to play as long. And not
Speaker 1: because Kareem only played. He played in ninety five percent
Speaker 1: of the game. Lebron has only played in ninety percent
Speaker 1: of the game. So somebody's gonna have to play damn
Speaker 1: on hundred percent of the time, average twenty five to
Speaker 1: twenty six points a game and played twenty Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: And come in at eighteen. Yes see, you can't do
Speaker 1: it at one twenty two nine, but you gotta come
Speaker 1: in at eighteen, right, But you gotta come in at
Speaker 1: eighteen getting busy. You gotta be good break. Yes, I mean,
Speaker 1: like I don't. We're never gonna see another Lebron. We're
Speaker 1: never gonna see another Kreem. I mean it's just they
Speaker 1: just when you got special guys like that who changed game,
Speaker 1: You're never gonna see another guy like that. They asked
Speaker 1: Lebron about his relationship with Kareem, and he says he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a relationship in Kareem. I think sometimes Kareem
Speaker 1: Kareem is Kareem. Kareem has seen something then. Kareem was
Speaker 1: at the forefront of the civil rights thing, so Kareem
Speaker 1: sees things a lot differently than the athlete up to date.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that the relationship is where it
Speaker 1: needs to be or where it should be or where
Speaker 1: it could be. Dude, if you could, if do you
Speaker 1: have you thought about like, man, I probably need to
Speaker 1: get cap in Lebron together and sitting down to have
Speaker 1: a conversation because it's not a good look because it
Speaker 1: seems like Kareem is up, is upset, the guy's gonna
Speaker 1: pass him and Lebron his record, and Lebron is like,
Speaker 1: because Lebron has always been great and given the old
Speaker 1: guy their credit. Yeah, that's one thing about Lebron. Lebron
Speaker 1: has no problem given the old guys because a lot
Speaker 1: of times the old guys, man, my generation was the greatest.
Speaker 1: That ain't nobody better. But Lebron will pay harmage to
Speaker 1: if older guys. Do you wish Lebron and Kareem had
Speaker 1: a better relationship, for sure, I think and for them
Speaker 1: as two men and two black men you know, who
Speaker 1: have gone through a lot, right right, Lebron. Both of
Speaker 1: them are similar in ways. Kareem came out the same
Speaker 1: way as Lebron, all this hype, expectations, and they succeeded expectations,
Speaker 1: both of them. Yes, they changed the game for Kareem,
Speaker 1: they changed the league for Lebron. That big, that strong,
Speaker 1: that fast. You know, they had to change things up
Speaker 1: right because people couldn't deal with them. Same thing with Kareem,
Speaker 1: So they're different yet similar, and I just hope to
Speaker 1: what you just said. I think one day that's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: you know, and if I can play a part in that,
Speaker 1: I would love to do that. I think let him
Speaker 1: pass him first, Let that happen, and let that soak
Speaker 1: in for a minute, and then put the two men together,
Speaker 1: because they're gonna find out they're similar. They have more
Speaker 1: in similar, more in common than they think. See both
Speaker 1: of them. If something happens in the world, they are
Speaker 1: the first ones. That's right, Yeah, that's right, and so
Speaker 1: I would love to make that happen. Let's let Lebron
Speaker 1: go through, uh passing me, passing him, and then I
Speaker 1: think we could put that together. What was to get Lebron?
Speaker 1: You mentioned that, you know, you got with Rich and
Speaker 1: Math the team Lebron. What was your pitch to Lebron
Speaker 1: to come to the Lakers, because at that one time,
Speaker 1: you lean it was some lean years, it was some
Speaker 1: Lean years. Well, I pitched him this way, you could
Speaker 1: be responsible for the greatest franchise in the world. Okay,
Speaker 1: turning it around, eating us back to a championship. And
Speaker 1: they gonna say you you did that, And I said,
Speaker 1: give me two years. I said, we're gonna win the
Speaker 1: championship that third year. And everything I told him happened, right,
Speaker 1: I said, we got some young pieces, kusmo on them.
Speaker 1: They're good. They need you, though, to teach him. And
Speaker 1: Lebron man got everybody ready, how he practice, took care
Speaker 1: of his body, his mentality, his approach to the game. Also,
Speaker 1: no nonsense. See, we were goofing off young guys didn't
Speaker 1: know how to really be a pro. Yet you know, Rando,
Speaker 1: all those guys Lebron came in, they all changed. And
Speaker 1: so I give Lebron a lot of credit for hing in.
Speaker 1: And then I told him the billionaire status and all
Speaker 1: the things you want to accomplish off the court right here,
Speaker 1: and you can live here. See we have a lot
Speaker 1: of celebrities, so they gonna say hi, they're gonna let you,
Speaker 1: let do your thing. And he said, man, I like
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. And sure enough, everything I told
Speaker 1: him happened. And I'm so proud, not just of him,
Speaker 1: but the job Rich Paul and Mavericks has done as well.
Speaker 1: There's the I think the biggest incident that happened thus far.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest incidents is the Draymond situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan Poole, Yeah, it was reported that you fought a teammate,
Speaker 1: but there's no video evidence to see what happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: it could be a we just shoved, he showed me.
Speaker 1: I feeled him, but he punched me. I punced him back.
Speaker 1: That's all speculation. Yeah, but you know, video changes everything. Magic.
Speaker 1: We saw the incident with our own two eyes, and
Speaker 1: I think for most indications, everybody will say Draymond was
Speaker 1: wrong in that situation. Yeah, Oh, he was definitely wrong.
Speaker 1: You can take it as far as pushing, grabbing the
Speaker 1: jersey all that, because that's what they were talking about
Speaker 1: with me. I'm never you ain't putting to punch any team, right,
Speaker 1: you know. But I grabbed you. It's like grabbed me. Bro.
Speaker 1: We listen, when you have a dude like Michael Cooper
Speaker 1: guarding you every single day, you get tired of that, right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we shot some elbows, We did a lot
Speaker 1: of that, and I you know, we got into it,
Speaker 1: you know, and we were great friends. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I didn't punch him in the face, right,
Speaker 1: and and then try to do some more to him, right.
Speaker 1: So Draymond knows better because he's a great leader. He's
Speaker 1: a great young man, smart smart, And then Jordan Poole,
Speaker 1: Draymond's just like you, got drafted late, had to prove
Speaker 1: himself because Draymond was mad he didn't go in the
Speaker 1: first round. And you used that to say, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna motivate myself and I'm gonna show everybody. And Jordan
Speaker 1: Poole's the same way, right, So I think that he
Speaker 1: probably he's talking about I don't regret it, Yes he does, right,
Speaker 1: he does. Draymond regrets it, right because he's been a
Speaker 1: good guy. Right. You're the tricker man. You make everything
Speaker 1: happens at Golden State. Correct. Everybody gets shots because of you, Draymond,
Speaker 1: whether you're setting a pick or you passing it to him, right. Correct.
Speaker 1: So I think that if he could, he would take
Speaker 1: that back, you know, because that's not who he is,
Speaker 1: not what his teammates. He loves his teammates, and it
Speaker 1: changes the dynamic that's rightship in the locker room. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't get it's never gone. I'm not saying magic.
Speaker 1: Everybody are friends in the locker room, but you have
Speaker 1: to be friend Lee. Yes, that changes Jordan cool and
Speaker 1: and Draymond relationship is forever change. That's with that one point.
Speaker 1: Don't let anybody I get it. We're gonna be professional,
Speaker 1: win basketball, win basketball games. But I can't look at
Speaker 1: you the same. You don't look at me the same. No,
Speaker 1: it's never gonna be the same. You're friendly and the
Speaker 1: other thing respect, right, So I don't have to like you, right,
Speaker 1: but I gotta respect to respect you. Yeah. See, so
Speaker 1: when you cross that line, like you said, it's never
Speaker 1: gonna be the same, right, And both of them know that, right,
Speaker 1: no matter what they say. And because also the families
Speaker 1: get involved. Well, I mean because because like magic not
Speaker 1: everything is a me. That's right and video now with
Speaker 1: the internet, everything is there forever that's right. But ever,
Speaker 1: I mean, we can go back. I mean the thing,
Speaker 1: if we can go back and we can see the baby,
Speaker 1: the baby Scott hood, we can see that, we can
Speaker 1: see all everything that's happened. We're gonna see that with
Speaker 1: the same tenacity twenty years, thirty years from now. Yea,
Speaker 1: and their camps are divided now too. Ye see, that's
Speaker 1: what people don't realize, right. Shoot, Jordan Pool boys just said,
Speaker 1: oh what what's oh? Oh? I don't have no love
Speaker 1: for him either, not right right and saying that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. I think only because Steph and Claire are
Speaker 1: sitting there and Steve is an amazing coach, and I
Speaker 1: think that they'll be okay, right because they understand championship
Speaker 1: and winning, and the owners are great too, so I
Speaker 1: think the franchise everybody will keep them together. They will
Speaker 1: never probably be friends ever again, but they should be okay.
Speaker 1: I don't think it has stopped them from reaching a championship.
Speaker 1: How did that tape get out? Magic? I mean me personally.
Speaker 1: I think it got leaked to make Draymond look bad.
Speaker 1: Come on, you already not come hay, no way. I
Speaker 1: don't believe there's some intern that went role. You already
Speaker 1: know how that tape got mad man. Come on everybody, no, everybody,
Speaker 1: let's this is coming sense now? Okay you taping now?
Speaker 1: Only employees are Golden State right in there? Right enough,
Speaker 1: said Steph Curry. We've never seen a guy small guys.
Speaker 1: Small guys don't normally lead teams the championship. It's been
Speaker 1: very few. When you talk about a guard, you're talking
Speaker 1: about Isaiah. That might be the only guard ever ever. Ever,
Speaker 1: I was Isaiah six one, so we got a got
Speaker 1: Steph Curry's probably six two that that leads a team
Speaker 1: to a championship. What what makes step so unique? Obviously
Speaker 1: we know we can shoot the ball, but it's got
Speaker 1: to be more than that. It's definitely more than that.
Speaker 1: First of all movement without the ball, he's constable. We've
Speaker 1: never seen probably a a basketball player in better condition
Speaker 1: and understand angles and how to come off that screen
Speaker 1: and also be on bad us to still shoot right.
Speaker 1: And he can shoot off balance too, right, We've never
Speaker 1: seen that before. And for him to be that small,
Speaker 1: but he can shoot from almost half court right right, yes,
Speaker 1: and he's not throwing it, he's shooting it. Yes, We've
Speaker 1: never seen that before. And then he's a killer. See
Speaker 1: people look at the smiles like they looked at me
Speaker 1: with my smile. Oh, I'm gonna kill you, right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to take your head and hear the thing magic.
Speaker 1: Look at where you came from, Lansing, Michigan. Dad worked
Speaker 1: the sanitation department, so you grew up hard. His dad
Speaker 1: was an NBA player. He got the smile. He lights
Speaker 1: scared soft. He loved that you don't. That's what they
Speaker 1: said too, and he showed him. He said, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not soft, and I'm here to show you.
Speaker 1: What he did in that final was special because them
Speaker 1: first three games, I think he was almost over forty right,
Speaker 1: I mean and just lightening it up. But he shut
Speaker 1: that everybody up. I said he couldn't be the finals MVP, right,
Speaker 1: he couldn't leave his team, and I think that made
Speaker 1: him feel good. He already knew he could do it.
Speaker 1: He just showed everybody he could do it, and that
Speaker 1: put him in that rush mount rushmore of great players
Speaker 1: that's ever played in this league. So Steph. I love
Speaker 1: Steph because he's changed the game in his way. Three
Speaker 1: point shooter. Uh. Now, kids want to be Steph. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, they don't care Aboutduncan. Now. Everybody's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: I want to be step And there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: So and he's a great family man and he's tasteful
Speaker 1: with all his commercials and his business. I love him
Speaker 1: on the court, but I love him off the court
Speaker 1: as well. What was like, Jordan played golf before the game.
Speaker 1: Jordan gonna get his golf in. He gonna be smoking
Speaker 1: on the city, gonna be on his sticks? What was
Speaker 1: magic pregame routine? And how was he able to do that?
Speaker 1: Man go to Atlantic City and gamble. The man could
Speaker 1: go out and be out all night and come get
Speaker 1: you fifty because he was the strongest not basketball player,
Speaker 1: athlete I've ever seen. Because he could do just what
Speaker 1: if I tried to do that? Be old for fifteen,
Speaker 1: no assists, I'll be dragging. And he tried to get
Speaker 1: me to do it with him right or during the
Speaker 1: Dream Team Matt m Jack MJA. I said, what's up?
Speaker 1: Come on hang with me? I said, Mike, I can't
Speaker 1: hang at till four o'clock. You have your drinks, get up,
Speaker 1: go play eighteen rounds of golf, sleep for an hour,
Speaker 1: and then come and get thirty by halftime. I can't
Speaker 1: do that. I can't do that. I know who I
Speaker 1: am right. So my routine was I got to have
Speaker 1: my music right, I got to have quiet right. So
Speaker 1: I had my house, quiet, my card, and let nobody
Speaker 1: ride with me. I had to get there three four
Speaker 1: hours before you only had to be there hour and
Speaker 1: a half. I had to get their way upright before
Speaker 1: that so I can get ready because I had so much.
Speaker 1: I had to remember our plays, their plays, make sure
Speaker 1: the guys were in position, and then I would go
Speaker 1: out and do my thing, man, and then I would
Speaker 1: always get my rest. See, I was one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty percent in right. I didn't hang out during the season.
Speaker 1: I didn't do none of that, right, I got my rest.
Speaker 1: I was prepared mentally physically, and so that's who I was,
Speaker 1: you know, And so it paid off for me as well.
Speaker 1: But Jordan, what he did paid off for him, right, right,
Speaker 1: and that's what made him Michael Jordan. I said, I
Speaker 1: said that before he actually won the finals. When you
Speaker 1: and the Celtics were playing in the finals, he would
Speaker 1: come into your locker room because he wanted to see
Speaker 1: what it was like to be in the NBA finals,
Speaker 1: what was the mindset of the guys that were in
Speaker 1: that moment, and it would it helped him be able
Speaker 1: to take that back to his team. Right. Why y'all
Speaker 1: let that man in there. I love Isaiah. That was
Speaker 1: my man, and uh he was my best friend at
Speaker 1: that time. So it wasn't just in the locker room. Also,
Speaker 1: we would sit up in my room or we'd go
Speaker 1: in the lobby and just talk that that game in
Speaker 1: the series. So he was just man, he was just
Speaker 1: getting all this valuable information both watching the game as
Speaker 1: well as talking to me about it, my approach, how
Speaker 1: I saw it. And sure enough, man, when it was
Speaker 1: their turn. Wow, he took full advantage of it. But
Speaker 1: give Isaiah credit because a lot of dudes that they
Speaker 1: won't do that. No, there you go right there, Pride
Speaker 1: and Ego, the camp, the agent, you know, the team
Speaker 1: around her, because now everybody got a team we ran with.
Speaker 1: I ran with one dude back in the day. You
Speaker 1: ran with one dude, And now the NBA Finals changed
Speaker 1: you and I Sail's relationship. Yeah, yeah, I did. And
Speaker 1: I'm sad that I have to sit here and say that,
Speaker 1: but it did both. I'm sure his coach, just like
Speaker 1: pat Riley, wanted to know, and my and my teammates
Speaker 1: wanted to know if I had to and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put him down, you did and I said yeah, and
Speaker 1: I did, And so that got them said okay, because
Speaker 1: he but he looked he looked at you different, oh,
Speaker 1: because the problems like okay, you know, you guys had
Speaker 1: a great relationship. You know you you you a a
Speaker 1: bro a stay healthy, good. But he came down in
Speaker 1: the middle and you had to You had to let
Speaker 1: them know that's right, my teammates as well as the Pistons.
Speaker 1: You had to let him know that's right, that I'm
Speaker 1: here to win, right. And then he jumped up swinging,
Speaker 1: and I said, no problem. I ain't had no problem
Speaker 1: with that, you know. And so it took us a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, the last probably a couple of years
Speaker 1: to mend everything right. And uh, but man, we had
Speaker 1: some good times, right and uh, what a great training
Speaker 1: part partner and a great friend of our families. Our
Speaker 1: families were close to as well. That's the one I regret.
Speaker 1: You know, you regret some things in life. That was
Speaker 1: one of them. I regret not calling Lebron telling him
Speaker 1: I was stepping down. I really regretted that I owed
Speaker 1: him that. Why didn't you step down saying it's just
Speaker 1: I had to. I I thought I had the power
Speaker 1: to do what I wanted to do, and what did
Speaker 1: you want to do? I wanted to fire Luke Walton.
Speaker 1: You didn't feel that he was capable of doing the job. Oh,
Speaker 1: I knew he wasn't right, and so I said, hey,
Speaker 1: we gotta let him go. He's he's not the right guy.
Speaker 1: He you know, he's not a great coach for the
Speaker 1: Laker team, and they wanted to keep him. So I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I already knew that I didn't want to fracture the
Speaker 1: great relationship I had with Genie bus Right, that's my sister, right,
Speaker 1: so and and and stead of me, you know, sitting there,
Speaker 1: And I can never be this dude to just sit
Speaker 1: and not say what's on my mind. Right, I said,
Speaker 1: let me just exit. It's gonna be best for everybody.
Speaker 1: And I felt some dudes wanted to be in the
Speaker 1: seat that I had, So hey, let you go ahead,
Speaker 1: you can have it. I'm out, uh, and Janie and
Speaker 1: I are still great friends. And so it was the
Speaker 1: best move, and I'm glad I did it. I regret
Speaker 1: not calling him. Right, what, how different do you believe
Speaker 1: your NBA career would have been in your life in
Speaker 1: general had you not gotten the diagnosis in nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 1: Because how many more years do you feel you could
Speaker 1: played at the top of your game? Oh? Man, I probably, Man,
Speaker 1: I would have played a lot more years, and I
Speaker 1: probably would have had been number one and assists right, right,
Speaker 1: you said that record out. Oh for sure, for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure and so and we probably would have won
Speaker 1: a few more championships as well. But you know, one
Speaker 1: thing I'm good at is dealing with the cars. I'm
Speaker 1: dealt right, and I never looked back. I've never been
Speaker 1: this dude. You never asked the question like that, why me?
Speaker 1: How did this happen? By this? Well I did when
Speaker 1: it first, when it first happen, when it first happened,
Speaker 1: You're liked because I remember, I remember Magic. It was
Speaker 1: ninety one and we've coming out the practice field and
Speaker 1: one of our reporters, like Magic Johnson's retired and he
Speaker 1: was retiring because of this. I'm like, h what yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was so sudden, Yes, exactly, and that's what happened.
Speaker 1: And it hit me the same way. It was so sudden. Uh.
Speaker 1: And man, I was sick man for the for the
Speaker 1: first two years that I'm not out there right, my guys,
Speaker 1: I'm young in the mental angl dealing with this for sure, publicly,
Speaker 1: I'm not able to play basketball. People looking at me
Speaker 1: rest and also the same people who used to give
Speaker 1: you the dap and the love hug because because I
Speaker 1: didn't understand magic. Okay, they say it was cool for
Speaker 1: him to play on the Dream Team, but they didn't
Speaker 1: want your an NBA. Yeah, all the guys, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and so especially carm Alone, he came out public against
Speaker 1: with it. Now, I just played with you right in
Speaker 1: a Dream team, and I practice against you every single day,
Speaker 1: and now you don't want to play with me. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry against me. I was like, Wow, you could
Speaker 1: have just said that to me right privately, that's right,
Speaker 1: and we'd be cool with that, no question about. So
Speaker 1: I said, you know what I said, I don't want
Speaker 1: to I don't want to damage the league. I don't
Speaker 1: want if they if they gonna look at me that way,
Speaker 1: I won't come back. Right, We had some work to do,
Speaker 1: so I started educating everybody about the disease and everything,
Speaker 1: and then I finally came back. I played with half
Speaker 1: the season a little bit, and I went out my way,
Speaker 1: and then they wanted me to come back, and I said,
Speaker 1: I think, and I said I'm good. And so that's
Speaker 1: when I retired. And it's like you and I now,
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you into your second life and
Speaker 1: you reinvented yourself and now you're a businessman doing great things.
Speaker 1: That's what it's all about it and so that's what
Speaker 1: I decided to do. Just get into my business life.
Speaker 1: Woman thing. I want to ask you about this because
Speaker 1: I really think you can help a lot of men,
Speaker 1: a lot of people in our community. Your youngest son
Speaker 1: chose to live his life as a gay man's right,
Speaker 1: And I remember I heard somewhere where you said, well
Speaker 1: it was you kind of saw things that things that
Speaker 1: normal boys like to do. He kind of didn't want
Speaker 1: to do it. So you kind of had an england
Speaker 1: but you wanted to hear him say yes, right, you
Speaker 1: didn't want to form up. You're like, nah, I don't
Speaker 1: this is not what I want to do. How was
Speaker 1: that conversation? And then how were you able to get
Speaker 1: past that? Because, like they said, there's really no manual
Speaker 1: of how to be a parent because you're gonna be
Speaker 1: throwing curveballs that you don't have any idea how to hear.
Speaker 1: But you just got to sit there and say, okay,
Speaker 1: let's work through this. Yeah. How were you able to
Speaker 1: to have a conversation with him and said, e J,
Speaker 1: you're my son. I love you. If this is the
Speaker 1: life you want to live, live it to the police
Speaker 1: or sharing it. That's a excellent question. And how you
Speaker 1: phrased it too and put it together. In the beginning,
Speaker 1: I was like, any other day, Oh, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: him in sports, right, you know? And so no, and
Speaker 1: so when we start, first soccer and then football, he
Speaker 1: like mm hmm. And then you know, I saw early
Speaker 1: on he playing with dials, like to play dress up.
Speaker 1: But then if I come in, he would hide all that, right,
Speaker 1: But I saw it, you know, and so I think
Speaker 1: as he got older and older, you start seeing it,
Speaker 1: but he never said anything, and so I think he
Speaker 1: was trying to keep it from me. And then finally,
Speaker 1: you know, he felt strong enough that he could finally
Speaker 1: tell me. And so he made me change, right, And
Speaker 1: so it wasn't he had to adjust. I had to adjust.
Speaker 1: And but yes, mom knew, so yall, okay, okay, always
Speaker 1: talked to his Momaya right, So cookie knew and so
Speaker 1: but she never told you. She was waiting on him
Speaker 1: to tell me, right right. So, and I finally told him,
Speaker 1: I said, let me tell you something. You're my son.
Speaker 1: I love you. Yeah, I don't care. You want to
Speaker 1: be a gay, gay man I'm supporting that, right, I'm
Speaker 1: supporting that. I'm supporting you. And when he finally announced
Speaker 1: it to the world, and see, I saw all the
Speaker 1: letters that came in around the world that he affected
Speaker 1: all these other young people who wanted to come out
Speaker 1: to their parents and gave them the strength to do it.
Speaker 1: I said, wow. So now we're like best of friends.
Speaker 1: And I tell him all the time, I'm so proud
Speaker 1: of you. You know, live your life just like I'm
Speaker 1: living my life. So live your life. Love who you
Speaker 1: want to love, right, Dad is gonna support you all
Speaker 1: the way, right, So it's really beautiful. And guess what,
Speaker 1: he cried. He needed to hear that, right because he
Speaker 1: was waiting because some of his friends didn't get that support, right, right,
Speaker 1: But he wanted he needed your affirmation, that's right. He
Speaker 1: needed confirmation from his dad, that's right, his mom. Yeah, Mom,
Speaker 1: I know that, but I need Urban Magic Johnson. Yes,
Speaker 1: I need him to say it's right. And we all
Speaker 1: gotta love our children. Yeah, so what they decide, that's
Speaker 1: their life, that's right. You a lot of parents. But
Speaker 1: see that's why they be behaving like they do at
Speaker 1: soccer games and basketball game in the football game because
Speaker 1: they're living their life through the child you had your life.
Speaker 1: That's right. That can't live his life whatever whatever he
Speaker 1: or she wants to be or do in their life,
Speaker 1: if they harm nobody, do that, yes, and support them
Speaker 1: because they need that. That's what they need. They need that.
Speaker 1: They need to know that you love them and that
Speaker 1: you support them whatever decision they make, whoever they decide
Speaker 1: to love, but like you gotta support that. And so
Speaker 1: that's what I've been able to do. So I'm I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought it up because a lot of times
Speaker 1: in the black community, even those who are Christian or
Speaker 1: go to church. I go to churchill I'm a Christian Manchi,
Speaker 1: but I love my son. I am stepping away from
Speaker 1: my son exactly. Again. We're best of friends. Support not
Speaker 1: only him Andre Elisa, my daughter as well, and they
Speaker 1: all are tight. Right. You can't say nothing wrong or
Speaker 1: about my my son in front of Elisa. She'll attack you.
Speaker 1: The business magic. I'm gonna get youa to go to
Speaker 1: this magic, the business side of magic. Were you always
Speaker 1: into this or were this Once ninety one happened, you said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't do basketball now I need to transition to
Speaker 1: find something to do with my time that basketball used
Speaker 1: to occupy. Is that where the magic Johnson brand business
Speaker 1: came up came about? Or were you always dabling? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was before that. I was educating myself with mentors. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know doctor Jerry Buster later on, or the Lakers
Speaker 1: became my first mentor, Peter Grewber, all these guys, you
Speaker 1: know how it shouts and on and on and on.
Speaker 1: So U two guys back in Lansaman, Michigan, Greg Eaton
Speaker 1: and Joe Ferguson showed me that black men could own
Speaker 1: businesses and buildings. I was like, what we can do that? Wow?
Speaker 1: That really inspired me and changed my dreams. Okay, but
Speaker 1: I was preparing before I announced I had HIV. That
Speaker 1: just jumped started me in ninety one, and so that's
Speaker 1: when I said, Okay, now I can full attention on
Speaker 1: the business and starting it my journey. And sure enough
Speaker 1: I just took off from there and I've been in
Speaker 1: it ever since. And so I've been blessed man. And
Speaker 1: I did something a lot of guys remember it was
Speaker 1: an unwritten rule you couldn't be befriend the owner. So
Speaker 1: all of 'em are looking at the Lakers looking at
Speaker 1: me like, oh, they had a meeting on me. Come here.
Speaker 1: You can't be Jerry Bus's friends. I said, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put it to y'all like this. You're a millionaire.
Speaker 1: He a billionaire. I'm going with him. I can't be you.
Speaker 1: I'm going with him. And that's what I did. So
Speaker 1: I said, y'all can be mad if you want. That
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with my job, right. I do
Speaker 1: my job, and I do it well. Well, ain't nothing
Speaker 1: gonna change, right. But when he say come to lunch
Speaker 1: and dinner, come to my houseplay pool, and I'm soaking
Speaker 1: getting all that knowledge, and you're crazy. You can't give
Speaker 1: it you back, right, But I can get it from
Speaker 1: him because I'm going somewhere. Magic Johnson wants the only
Speaker 1: NBA team I do just the right situation. But I'm
Speaker 1: such a Laker fan. I don't know. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: I don't think you could do it. I just I've
Speaker 1: had four opportunities, right, and I turned them all down. Right.
Speaker 1: Joe Lake up and Peter Gruber sat down lunch with
Speaker 1: me in Sala Monica. We want you to be our
Speaker 1: partners with the Golden State Boys, I love both men, right,
Speaker 1: I just couldn't do it, lak, I love the lady.
Speaker 1: And then I also magic is that your relationship. You
Speaker 1: are a people person, and if somebody comes to you,
Speaker 1: you're gonna give them knowledge. And people will say, well,
Speaker 1: hold on, how you will get somebody knowledge? You own
Speaker 1: this up, you help it the beat? Yep, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna You can own an NFL
Speaker 1: team or baseball team, but basketball, your love of the game,
Speaker 1: you will not hoard that knowledge. Yeah. So ever, and
Speaker 1: all of 'em come to me still, and I help
Speaker 1: all of 'em out. That's just who I am, just
Speaker 1: who you are, right, And so even knowledge on the
Speaker 1: show every single day you pass that knowledge on the
Speaker 1: skilp and all of us, right, And it's beautiful to
Speaker 1: see and here right and so listen, man, this has
Speaker 1: been amazing. We could go for another two three hours.
Speaker 1: I appreciate magic. I appreciate it. I appreciate your time
Speaker 1: because I know how busy are we were talking up
Speaker 1: fair about you know, hey, I gotta go here, here, here, here,
Speaker 1: I'm here for a couple of days. If I go there, there, there,
Speaker 1: But for you to take time out of your busy
Speaker 1: schedule and sit down and give us an opportunity. So
Speaker 1: all my listeners at club shake shape, because I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're gonna hear some things that you probably haven't shared
Speaker 1: before or haven't shared in a very long time. So
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, brou anytime you know, for you, anytime,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you for having me in clubs. Shake shape.
Speaker 1: I'll mend, check in and shan then oh we're doing it, baby.
Speaker 1: See two for my athletes, still doing it, still doing it.
Speaker 1: We talked to talk. We understand the same way. Rights
Speaker 1: all my life and grinding all my life, Sack fights,
Speaker 1: hustle back, pricing, Want a slice, Got the broll dice
Speaker 1: to swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life,
Speaker 1: all my life, the grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle
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Speaker 1: swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life.