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Speaker 1: all my life. Hello, welcome to another edition of Club

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Speaker 1: Sha Shay. I am your whole Shannon Sharp. I'm also

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Speaker 1: the proproud of Club Sha Shade and the guy that's

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Speaker 1: stopping buy for conversation on the drink today, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't need any introduction, but I'll give him one anyway.

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Speaker 1: He's a ten time NBA Champ, five as a player,

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Speaker 1: A three times NBA MVP, twelve time All Star, two

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Speaker 1: a leader, a father of philanthropist, an entrepreneur, a dreamer,

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Speaker 1: who he is. Herban Magic Johsan, but you can call

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Speaker 1: him Magic. How you doing, I'm doing great, And then

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me on. You know, we've been

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen. This has been in the making for two

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Speaker 1: years now. The man told me. I think I asked

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Speaker 1: him at the end of twenty twenty. We're in the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: He said, when we get out this pandemic, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I saw her. We were talking. I saw her about

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Speaker 1: I said, Magic said he gonna get me done. He said, well,

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Speaker 1: I said, he just got back in the like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: How you doing. I'm doing great, man, everything going very well.

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Speaker 1: So tell me about this this this this month long

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Speaker 1: said to my wife Cookie, I said, we went on

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Speaker 1: five weeks. But the blessing is we've been going to

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Speaker 1: Europe for thirty one years. Wow, And so that's our

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Speaker 1: annual trip. I believe if I get everything that I

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Speaker 1: and it's about that, right, But also I love Italian food, right,

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Speaker 1: we didn't know. But what we just did was just

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00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: played our game. We ended up in the two most famous,

421
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, franchises, Celtics and the Lakers. And then his

422
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: personality was Boston. My personality with was Hollywood. I mean,

423
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: they couldn't have scripted this any better. And then I

424
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm playing with Kareem and all the guys,

425
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: And who would ever thought that my first final, my

426
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: rookie season, we're on tape delayed. Yeah, the finals. Yeah,

427
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: that's what people don't realize. The game weren't live. No, No,

428
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: I could go play and go home and watch What's

429
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: that night? Yeah? Right, And so we actually brought the

430
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: finals and all the other games to play time TV.

431
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: Larry and I changed the whole league and also to

432
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: every other year the Lakers who win or the Celtics. Right,

433
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: Lakers who win, Celtics would win. So it was just

434
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: great and I'm glad that we came in together because

435
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: I had somebody to measure myself right and say, hey, Okay,

436
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: he's great. I can't let him get too far ahead

437
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: of me. I gotta work hard because I want to stay.

438
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: How would you how would you guys relationship? How would

439
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: you describe your relationship? Obviously you beat him in the

440
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: n City the finals from seventy nine, but how was

441
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: your relationship once you got to the NBA? Because I

442
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: think the thing was he was Rookie of the Year.

443
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: I think you got like one or two votes, that's all.

444
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: That's all you. I think I think it was like

445
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: thirty two, thirty three, like one or two. No, even

446
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: more than that, it was sixty something that like two.

447
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: I hate to say that too, I gotta say that

448
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: on team. And so I was pissed. Man, I was mad,

449
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: You're like, hold on, I led a team to the

450
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: I can't get but two votes two votes, became the

451
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: first rookie in NBA history to be named Finals NBA.

452
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: I was only the third dude ever in NBA history

453
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: to go from the College championship to the NBA Finals

454
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: Championship and votes and they were too la. You know,

455
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, he's not that much better than me,

456
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: not sixty three to two, but okay, I took it.

457
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: I took it. But our relationship Shannon was fractured because

458
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 1: Celtics lakers, right. See, we hated them, they hated us, right,

459
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: so we can never get right right. I couldn't get

460
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: Riley stressed that right. He said, I don't want if

461
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: a Celtic go to the ground, you better not pick

462
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: him up, right, And so we had to hate him

463
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: to beat him right, right right. It wasn't until eighties

464
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: seven I went out Converse wanted to do a commercial

465
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: with both of us. Okay, I flew out the friends

466
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: Lick Indiana away from the weapons to con exactly. So

467
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: he had the black one that I had the purple

468
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: and going right. So we shot about half the commercial

469
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more and it's lunch time, so I'm

470
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: thinking I'm going to trailer because we're really having break

471
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: broken bread or like this. So as I'm taking about

472
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: three steps towards the trailer, he said, Magic man, I

473
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: like you have lunch with me up at the house.

474
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: My mom has prepared lunch. He threw the mom, you know,

475
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: my eating threw the mom in there. So I go

476
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: to the to the house, you know, and uh, he's

477
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: down there. I'm down here. She's bringing out all the

478
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: dishes and she brought that last one and set it

479
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,719
Speaker 1: down and she hit him. Said did you tell him yet?

480
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: And Larry said, nah, Mom, you tell him. She turned

481
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: and said, Magic, You're my favorite basketball player. And I

482
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: just said, oh, that was it. And then we started

483
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: talking right like two little boys, right, and you know

484
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: we we we're similar. We grew up poor, we're both

485
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: from the Midwest. We love the game. We loved to win,

486
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, one on one, and that's when our friendship

487
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: evolved and grew and we've been friends ever since. Leave

488
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: the NBA. You lead the NBA with eleven point two

489
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: assists per game. Here are some of the records that

490
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,959
Speaker 1: you have In the playoffs finals, you have the finals

491
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: twenty one assists in the finals game twenty three hundred

492
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: and twenty three hundred and sists for the playoffs. Only

493
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: player to average twelve asif twelve assists in the NBA

494
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: Finals and you did that six times Playoffs single game

495
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: high of twenty four only player to have a triple

496
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: double in multiple series game clinching game. When you look

497
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: back over your career, do you think, like, I don't

498
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: know if these records, I don't know. I don't know

499
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: if anybody ever gets might yeah, I don't know, if

500
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: somebody gone the playoff game. Yeah, it's it's it's awesome.

501
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: I've been blessed, you know, and sharing I just played

502
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: to win, man and right. So my job was to

503
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: set up my teammates, put them in a position that

504
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: they could be successful and succeed. And and that means

505
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: that meant that we were going to win, right, right,

506
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: you name all these things. I don't know. I know

507
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: that I did my job, but I did it well, right.

508
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: The main thing for me is that we won those

509
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: five championships. We went to the finals, Like you said,

510
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: nine and twelve years. That's all I cared about, right,

511
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: That's all I cared about. I just care about winning

512
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: and doing things playing the game of basketball the right way.

513
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: It's like now doing everything the right way off the

514
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: court as well. So I love that, the fact that

515
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: I have all those records, But I don't think about him.

516
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: I just think about the rings and that I had,

517
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: my love for the game and my teammates. I wouldn't

518
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: change anything. A lot of people say, oh, man, the

519
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: money they making today, Boy boy, don't you wish you

520
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: were playing today? And I always say, no, no. I said,

521
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 1: there's nothing like playing the Celtics and the whole country

522
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: is watching right right, and I got to go into

523
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: Boston Garden and try to shut those fans up. There

524
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: was nothing like that then, you know, playing against Isaiah

525
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: and the bad boys that whole series. And then we

526
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: only got one time to play against Michael Jordan, and

527
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: it's too bad we had to play only once. But

528
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: it was still a joy for me right to play

529
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: against him and this bull. Listen, that was my idol,

530
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: right right. I love Doctor J. Tell about the story,

531
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: because if I'm not mistaken, you spent the summer with

532
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: Dr J the year before you beat him in the

533
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: NBA finals. Yeah, so I call him up. I get

534
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: his number, and I say, Doc, can you tell me

535
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about turning pro right? You did it already.

536
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: What's the pros and cons of leaving school early? So

537
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: he said, you know what, young fellow, I'm gonna do

538
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: you one better. I'm gonna fly you out the Philly.

539
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna stay with me. We're in the playoffs. You're

540
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: gonna stay at my house, watch us play the game,

541
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: and then we have conversations. I said, but what did

542
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: you just say? I'm screaming. Tell my parents. I'm getting

543
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: ready going to doctor James. I'm going crazy. What you're

544
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: a teenager? I'm yes, I'm nineteen years old, right, I'm

545
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: nineteen and he's flying me to Philly. It was crazy, Sanna.

546
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: So I get to the crib man. He got the

547
00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: big house, right, I said, oh yeah, I'm going. He

548
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: had the Roars Roys come pick me up. I said, yep,

549
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing now. But for him to

550
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: do that, right him and his wife, I always tell

551
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: him I never forget that. Right. He didn't have to

552
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: do that because talked to me on the front, told

553
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: me what I needed to know. But he said, come on,

554
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: and I had a great four or five days with him,

555
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: and then I'm playing him seven months later. He probably

556
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: was you had it. He probably was showed up in a

557
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: a niss the whole day. Because one thing about it, Man,

558
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: you get caught. It's only a few players I've ever

559
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: got caught watching. Right. Doctor j was one you on

560
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: the court with once Ip shing shit started walking in

561
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: their Yeah, put it in his hand. Came up on

562
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: the other side of the room. Now he's walking in

563
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: the air. It's funny against the glass and good man,

564
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: I said, should we ask him to do it again?

565
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: I've never seen somebody hanging in the air that right,

566
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: got the throw to man and he did some stuff

567
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: to us. Who man, he dunked off. Coop was come.

568
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: He went the baby. Yeah, I don't know what Coop

569
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: was taking. I know Coop was thinking. And then he

570
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: got a been with a bad man. He started rocking

571
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: the baby. Bam, Doctor Jay. That was an old sectrum right, yes,

572
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: and man, amazing man, just in first class. So I

573
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: tried to pattern myself after him because he was first class.

574
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: Nicest dude. He taught me a lot, right, talk me

575
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: a lot even before I got into the league. Old

576
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: doctor Jail a lot when you get to the Lakers,

577
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: the guy that's on the team is already wanted, probably

578
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: one of the two or three greatest players of all time.

579
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: By the time you get there, he's a five time

580
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: already MVP. He wins the MVP the year you get there.

581
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: What was your impression of Kareem? Proud of you getting there?

582
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: And then what was your impression of Kareem once you

583
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: got there? He was a guy that I just idolized

584
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: again and always wanted to. I was dreaming if I

585
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: could just pass it to him a couple of times, right,

586
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 1: and then this coin flip happened and I end up

587
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: a Laker and I get there and everybody told me, listen, man,

588
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: he'll quiet, dude. You know now here I am, I'm

589
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: allowed dude with a big boom box. You know, I

590
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: got in a flash flight. I'm coming in parliament and

591
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: he was looking at me like, oh ho ho ho

592
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: ho no no, no, no, no, cut that damn thing off.

593
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: I's like, what, oh man, I had to be quiet.

594
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: So that was our first encounter, you know, that training camp.

595
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: But so I came to him about that second third day.

596
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: I said, where you like it? He said, what are

597
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: you talking about. I said where you like the ball?

598
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: He said, I like it up high? I said, what

599
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: hand you want me to throw it too? He said,

600
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: young fellow, nobody's ever asked me that. I said, what

601
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: hair you like it? Right or left? So I started

602
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: throwing it to that right here where he wanted right,

603
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: and he started opening up to me. I was his rookie, right.

604
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: So I had to bring him gatorade every time it

605
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: was a time out in practice, gatorade and water. I

606
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: had to buy him hot dogs. They had to be

607
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: beef hot dogs every time on the road to go

608
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: get this hot dog. Okay, but I loved it, right,

609
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: I loved it. You gained his trust. Yes, that's that's

610
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: what I was working on. Yeah, first game, we down one.

611
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: I remember this, three seconds to go, we throw it

612
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: to him at the free throw line. The boy turns,

613
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: shoots a sky hook on that. I go running. I've

614
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: never seen nobody shoot a sky hook from the free line.

615
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: You know me, I wear my emotions on my sleep.

616
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: I went running. I jumped on him. I'm hugging him,

617
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: choking him. Damn that with a good shot. Yea, So

618
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: we can get into the locker room shutting. He said,

619
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: come here, you got that stern look on it. But rookie,

620
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: don't ever do that again. We have eighty one more games.

621
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: We can't beat this high after the first game. So

622
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: the whole locker room looking, now what am I going

623
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: to do? Right? And they talking ooh, he got scolded.

624
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: So I walked away and I came back to him. Listen, no,

625
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: I'm looking up at him seven two. If you hit

626
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: a shot like that, eighty one more time, I'm gonna

627
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: jump in your arms eighty one more time. That's when

628
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: they found out I ain't gonna take no stuff. I'm

629
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: gonna beating me. Right. You're gonna have to accept me

630
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: who I am, just like I accept you for who

631
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 1: you are. Right, you know what? So first twenty game

632
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: we high five. Don't get back. But he ain't into

633
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: that right. So about the next twenty game he started

634
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: looking so he he he came across the lane and

635
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: he dumped on somebody. All of a sudden, he came

636
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: running over to me with my high five. Okay, now

637
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: I had him the right. It's okay to enjoy yourself,

638
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: it's okay to let right, Let go, right, man, We

639
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: chuck off our relationship, chuck off the team, Chuck off there.

640
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: It was right there. So I love Kareem. Smartest athlete

641
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: I've ever met in my life. Wow, Yeah, he's amazing.

642
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: Lebron James is about to do something unbelievable and I

643
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: don't know if it will ever be done this way again,

644
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: He's about to pass you for the all time, be

645
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 1: passed you you. I think Ron third'll sis and pass

646
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: Kareem for the all times and I don't know. I

647
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: don't know if that will ever happen. No, No, it'll

648
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: never happen like that again. What what makes Lebron so

649
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: unique that he's able? He's not thought of as a

650
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: score first guy, but here he is. He's on the

651
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: cusp of being the all time leading score and he's

652
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a top five assist guy all time. All

653
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: that at the same time, There's nobody at that hype

654
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: and size that can move that fast and also go

655
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: through contact and still score. We've never seen it be

656
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: right right and still make his teammates better, right right.

657
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: So he's leading in so many different ways. He could score,

658
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: he could defend, he could rebound, he can assist. We've

659
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: never seen that as a guy that size and that

660
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: fast and that's strong. But also we forget he's the

661
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: smartest dude right. See people, I keep telling people his

662
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: basketball IQ's so far above everybody else. He reads situations,

663
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: he reads the game. Okay, I need to score now,

664
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: or let me get so and so involved. He could

665
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: do it all. And I think at the end of

666
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: the day, to pass two Lakers. You're on the Lakers

667
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: right and now you're gonna pass me and then eventually

668
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: kareem to be the all time leading scorer. Why and

669
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: number three all time? And assistance wow? Wow, you gotta

670
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: give it to him. Yeah, you gotta give it to him.

671
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 1: And so uh and a good dude, yeah, a good

672
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: dude and smart off the court too, build an incredible business.

673
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: What what's your personal relationship because a lot of people

674
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: like try to say, well, well, he's not George, and

675
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: I've always felt he's more you than Jordan. Jordan was

676
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: a score. Jordan was an assassin. You could score, but

677
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: your job was to facilitate, make sure everybody else got

678
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: a chance to eat. I'm gonna eat. It might be

679
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: a little later, but I'm gonna eat. But I'm just

680
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: gonna make sure they get their helpings first, yes, right,

681
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: and he's between both of us. Yes, so he's got

682
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: a little Jordan and a lot of meat. And the

683
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: great thing about Lebron he brings it every single night

684
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: for twenty years. Because them Cleveland teams, he had to

685
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: bring it. Yeah, he put them on his back. That's

686
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: a right, and he did that and took him to

687
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: the finals. Yes, they didn't have clearly enough talented to

688
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: be They had no business in them. That's right, that's right.

689
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: So that's why he's remarkable. That's why he's special. Our

690
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: relationship is good, you know when I talked to him,

691
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: brought him here to play for the Lakers when I

692
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: was a president of Basketball Operation for the Lakers. His team, Rich,

693
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: Paul Maverick, we're all all good. The thing that I

694
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: hope that he'll have a not a shot at an

695
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: NBA finals, And right now we don't have enough talent. Yeah. Oh.

696
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: When I look at this roster, and I watched the

697
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: game the other night, and I know you did too,

698
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: they are a younger version of what they were last

699
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: year's guys that can't defend and can't shoot. They're just

700
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: younger versions of that. That's all. That's all, so we

701
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: definitely need to, you know, upgrade that upgrade the shooting

702
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: and basketball. I QC were Golden State beat everybody. It's

703
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: not just the shooting and everything, right, it's also the basketball.

704
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: I q Draymond Green, H, Steph Clay, they sold Looney,

705
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: they all Andre egual Dout. They're smart. Man. You so

706
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: you've beaten. You gotta beat them two ways, right. You

707
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: gotta beat them with your intelligence as well as your game. Right.

708
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: So that's hard to do, right. You seem to be

709
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: very good. I mean, imagine when guys pass you as

710
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: far as all time assists, you seem to be cool

711
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: with it. How do you think Kareem's gonna take when

712
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: when Lebron finally passes him? Because for the longest time,

713
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't think me personally, I don't think Kareem gets

714
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: the credit that he deserved as a six time MVP

715
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: and six championship, the all time lead score, third leading

716
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: rebound of all time. I don't think he gets nearly

717
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: enough credit. But he's always been able to hang his

718
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: hat on I'm the all time lead score exactly. Now.

719
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: People don't talk about the number two. People don't talk

720
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: about the number two score. They don't talk about the

721
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: number two assists man, the number two rebounder, the number

722
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: two blocks. Nobody cared about. Number two is number one.

723
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: How do you think he will handle that? Well, I

724
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: don't think well, I mean, I mean, let's just be honest.

725
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: If I got to say, we gotta be honest, right,

726
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: you know. And the fact that it's a dude playing

727
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: for the Lakers, right, no, right, you know it's a

728
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: dude playing in La right. No. So I think it'll

729
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: be a hard pill to swallow. He eventually, because he's

730
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: had that record for almost forty years, Kareem, And imagine,

731
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: and I think he thought he was gonna have it forever. Yeah, yeah,

732
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: I think he thought he was gonna have it for

733
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: to play that long. I mean, Lebron is averaged in

734
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: twenty five points a game for twenty years. Kareem averaged

735
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: twenty four points a game. So somebody to break Lebron's record,

736
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna probably have to play as long. And not

737
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: because Kareem only played. He played in ninety five percent

738
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: of the game. Lebron has only played in ninety percent

739
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: of the game. So somebody's gonna have to play damn

740
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: on hundred percent of the time, average twenty five to

741
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: twenty six points a game and played twenty Yeah, that's right.

742
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: And come in at eighteen. Yes see, you can't do

743
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: it at one twenty two nine, but you gotta come

744
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: in at eighteen, right, But you gotta come in at

745
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: eighteen getting busy. You gotta be good break. Yes, I mean,

746
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: like I don't. We're never gonna see another Lebron. We're

747
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: never gonna see another Kreem. I mean it's just they

748
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: just when you got special guys like that who changed game,

749
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,479
Speaker 1: You're never gonna see another guy like that. They asked

750
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: Lebron about his relationship with Kareem, and he says he

751
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: doesn't have a relationship in Kareem. I think sometimes Kareem

752
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: Kareem is Kareem. Kareem has seen something then. Kareem was

753
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: at the forefront of the civil rights thing, so Kareem

754
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: sees things a lot differently than the athlete up to date.

755
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: And I don't think that the relationship is where it

756
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: needs to be or where it should be or where

757
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: it could be. Dude, if you could, if do you

758
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: have you thought about like, man, I probably need to

759
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: get cap in Lebron together and sitting down to have

760
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: a conversation because it's not a good look because it

761
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: seems like Kareem is up, is upset, the guy's gonna

762
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: pass him and Lebron his record, and Lebron is like,

763
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: because Lebron has always been great and given the old

764
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: guy their credit. Yeah, that's one thing about Lebron. Lebron

765
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: has no problem given the old guys because a lot

766
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: of times the old guys, man, my generation was the greatest.

767
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: That ain't nobody better. But Lebron will pay harmage to

768
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: if older guys. Do you wish Lebron and Kareem had

769
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: a better relationship, for sure, I think and for them

770
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: as two men and two black men you know, who

771
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: have gone through a lot, right right, Lebron. Both of

772
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: them are similar in ways. Kareem came out the same

773
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: way as Lebron, all this hype, expectations, and they succeeded expectations,

774
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: both of them. Yes, they changed the game for Kareem,

775
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: they changed the league for Lebron. That big, that strong,

776
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: that fast. You know, they had to change things up

777
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: right because people couldn't deal with them. Same thing with Kareem,

778
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: So they're different yet similar, and I just hope to

779
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: what you just said. I think one day that's gonna happen,

780
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: you know, and if I can play a part in that,

781
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: I would love to do that. I think let him

782
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: pass him first, Let that happen, and let that soak

783
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: in for a minute, and then put the two men together,

784
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: because they're gonna find out they're similar. They have more

785
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: in similar, more in common than they think. See both

786
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: of them. If something happens in the world, they are

787
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 1: the first ones. That's right, Yeah, that's right, and so

788
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: I would love to make that happen. Let's let Lebron

789
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: go through, uh passing me, passing him, and then I

790
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: think we could put that together. What was to get Lebron?

791
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: You mentioned that, you know, you got with Rich and

792
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: Math the team Lebron. What was your pitch to Lebron

793
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: to come to the Lakers, because at that one time,

794
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: you lean it was some lean years, it was some

795
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: Lean years. Well, I pitched him this way, you could

796
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: be responsible for the greatest franchise in the world. Okay,

797
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: turning it around, eating us back to a championship. And

798
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: they gonna say you you did that, And I said,

799
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: give me two years. I said, we're gonna win the

800
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: championship that third year. And everything I told him happened, right,

801
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: I said, we got some young pieces, kusmo on them.

802
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: They're good. They need you, though, to teach him. And

803
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: Lebron man got everybody ready, how he practice, took care

804
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: of his body, his mentality, his approach to the game. Also,

805
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: no nonsense. See, we were goofing off young guys didn't

806
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: know how to really be a pro. Yet you know, Rando,

807
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: all those guys Lebron came in, they all changed. And

808
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: so I give Lebron a lot of credit for hing in.

809
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: And then I told him the billionaire status and all

810
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: the things you want to accomplish off the court right here,

811
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: and you can live here. See we have a lot

812
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: of celebrities, so they gonna say hi, they're gonna let you,

813
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: let do your thing. And he said, man, I like

814
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. And sure enough, everything I told

815
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: him happened. And I'm so proud, not just of him,

816
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: but the job Rich Paul and Mavericks has done as well.

817
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: There's the I think the biggest incident that happened thus far.

818
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: One of the biggest incidents is the Draymond situation. Yeah,

819
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: Jordan Poole, Yeah, it was reported that you fought a teammate,

820
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: but there's no video evidence to see what happened. I mean,

821
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: it could be a we just shoved, he showed me.

822
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: I feeled him, but he punched me. I punced him back.

823
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: That's all speculation. Yeah, but you know, video changes everything. Magic.

824
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: We saw the incident with our own two eyes, and

825
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: I think for most indications, everybody will say Draymond was

826
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: wrong in that situation. Yeah, Oh, he was definitely wrong.

827
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: You can take it as far as pushing, grabbing the

828
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: jersey all that, because that's what they were talking about

829
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: with me. I'm never you ain't putting to punch any team, right,

830
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: you know. But I grabbed you. It's like grabbed me. Bro.

831
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: We listen, when you have a dude like Michael Cooper

832
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: guarding you every single day, you get tired of that, right.

833
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, we shot some elbows, We did a lot

834
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: of that, and I you know, we got into it,

835
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, and we were great friends. But at the

836
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: end of the day, I didn't punch him in the face, right,

837
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: and and then try to do some more to him, right.

838
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: So Draymond knows better because he's a great leader. He's

839
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: a great young man, smart smart, And then Jordan Poole,

840
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: Draymond's just like you, got drafted late, had to prove

841
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: himself because Draymond was mad he didn't go in the

842
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: first round. And you used that to say, Hey, I'm

843
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: gonna motivate myself and I'm gonna show everybody. And Jordan

844
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: Poole's the same way, right, So I think that he

845
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: probably he's talking about I don't regret it, Yes he does, right,

846
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: he does. Draymond regrets it, right because he's been a

847
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: good guy. Right. You're the tricker man. You make everything

848
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: happens at Golden State. Correct. Everybody gets shots because of you, Draymond,

849
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: whether you're setting a pick or you passing it to him, right. Correct.

850
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: So I think that if he could, he would take

851
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: that back, you know, because that's not who he is,

852
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: not what his teammates. He loves his teammates, and it

853
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: changes the dynamic that's rightship in the locker room. Oh,

854
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 1: I don't get it's never gone. I'm not saying magic.

855
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: Everybody are friends in the locker room, but you have

856
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: to be friend Lee. Yes, that changes Jordan cool and

857
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: and Draymond relationship is forever change. That's with that one point.

858
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: Don't let anybody I get it. We're gonna be professional,

859
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: win basketball, win basketball games. But I can't look at

860
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: you the same. You don't look at me the same. No,

861
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: it's never gonna be the same. You're friendly and the

862
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: other thing respect, right, So I don't have to like you, right,

863
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: but I gotta respect to respect you. Yeah. See, so

864
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: when you cross that line, like you said, it's never

865
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: gonna be the same, right, And both of them know that, right,

866
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: no matter what they say. And because also the families

867
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: get involved. Well, I mean because because like magic not

868
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: everything is a me. That's right and video now with

869
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: the internet, everything is there forever that's right. But ever,

870
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we can go back. I mean the thing,

871
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: if we can go back and we can see the baby,

872
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: the baby Scott hood, we can see that, we can

873
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: see all everything that's happened. We're gonna see that with

874
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: the same tenacity twenty years, thirty years from now. Yea,

875
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: and their camps are divided now too. Ye see, that's

876
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: what people don't realize, right. Shoot, Jordan Pool boys just said,

877
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: oh what what's oh? Oh? I don't have no love

878
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: for him either, not right right and saying that's right,

879
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: that's right. I think only because Steph and Claire are

880
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: sitting there and Steve is an amazing coach, and I

881
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: think that they'll be okay, right because they understand championship

882
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: and winning, and the owners are great too, so I

883
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: think the franchise everybody will keep them together. They will

884
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: never probably be friends ever again, but they should be okay.

885
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it has stopped them from reaching a championship.

886
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: How did that tape get out? Magic? I mean me personally.

887
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: I think it got leaked to make Draymond look bad.

888
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: Come on, you already not come hay, no way. I

889
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: don't believe there's some intern that went role. You already

890
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: know how that tape got mad man. Come on everybody, no, everybody,

891
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: let's this is coming sense now? Okay you taping now?

892
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: Only employees are Golden State right in there? Right enough,

893
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: said Steph Curry. We've never seen a guy small guys.

894
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: Small guys don't normally lead teams the championship. It's been

895
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: very few. When you talk about a guard, you're talking

896
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: about Isaiah. That might be the only guard ever ever. Ever,

897
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: I was Isaiah six one, so we got a got

898
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: Steph Curry's probably six two that that leads a team

899
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: to a championship. What what makes step so unique? Obviously

900
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: we know we can shoot the ball, but it's got

901
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: to be more than that. It's definitely more than that.

902
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: First of all movement without the ball, he's constable. We've

903
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: never seen probably a a basketball player in better condition

904
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: and understand angles and how to come off that screen

905
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: and also be on bad us to still shoot right.

906
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: And he can shoot off balance too, right, We've never

907
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: seen that before. And for him to be that small,

908
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: but he can shoot from almost half court right right, yes,

909
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,479
Speaker 1: and he's not throwing it, he's shooting it. Yes, We've

910
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: never seen that before. And then he's a killer. See

911
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: people look at the smiles like they looked at me

912
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: with my smile. Oh, I'm gonna kill you, right, I'm

913
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: gonna try to take your head and hear the thing magic.

914
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: Look at where you came from, Lansing, Michigan. Dad worked

915
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: the sanitation department, so you grew up hard. His dad

916
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: was an NBA player. He got the smile. He lights

917
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: scared soft. He loved that you don't. That's what they

918
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: said too, and he showed him. He said, no, no,

919
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not soft, and I'm here to show you.

920
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: What he did in that final was special because them

921
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: first three games, I think he was almost over forty right,

922
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: I mean and just lightening it up. But he shut

923
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: that everybody up. I said he couldn't be the finals MVP, right,

924
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: he couldn't leave his team, and I think that made

925
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: him feel good. He already knew he could do it.

926
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: He just showed everybody he could do it, and that

927
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: put him in that rush mount rushmore of great players

928
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: that's ever played in this league. So Steph. I love

929
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: Steph because he's changed the game in his way. Three

930
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 1: point shooter. Uh. Now, kids want to be Steph. Yeah,

931
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:36,959
Speaker 1: you know, they don't care Aboutduncan. Now. Everybody's right, that's right.

932
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: I want to be step And there's nothing wrong with that.

933
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: So and he's a great family man and he's tasteful

934
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: with all his commercials and his business. I love him

935
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: on the court, but I love him off the court

936
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: as well. What was like, Jordan played golf before the game.

937
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 1: Jordan gonna get his golf in. He gonna be smoking

938
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: on the city, gonna be on his sticks? What was

939
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: magic pregame routine? And how was he able to do that?

940
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: Man go to Atlantic City and gamble. The man could

941
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: go out and be out all night and come get

942
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: you fifty because he was the strongest not basketball player,

943
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: athlete I've ever seen. Because he could do just what

944
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: if I tried to do that? Be old for fifteen,

945
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: no assists, I'll be dragging. And he tried to get

946
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: me to do it with him right or during the

947
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: Dream Team Matt m Jack MJA. I said, what's up?

948
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 1: Come on hang with me? I said, Mike, I can't

949
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: hang at till four o'clock. You have your drinks, get up,

950
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: go play eighteen rounds of golf, sleep for an hour,

951
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: and then come and get thirty by halftime. I can't

952
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: do that. I can't do that. I know who I

953
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: am right. So my routine was I got to have

954
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: my music right, I got to have quiet right. So

955
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: I had my house, quiet, my card, and let nobody

956
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: ride with me. I had to get there three four

957
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: hours before you only had to be there hour and

958
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: a half. I had to get their way upright before

959
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: that so I can get ready because I had so much.

960
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: I had to remember our plays, their plays, make sure

961
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: the guys were in position, and then I would go

962
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: out and do my thing, man, and then I would

963
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: always get my rest. See, I was one hundred and

964
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: fifty percent in right. I didn't hang out during the season.

965
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: I didn't do none of that, right, I got my rest.

966
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: I was prepared mentally physically, and so that's who I was,

967
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, And so it paid off for me as well.

968
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: But Jordan, what he did paid off for him, right, right,

969
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: and that's what made him Michael Jordan. I said, I

970
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: said that before he actually won the finals. When you

971
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: and the Celtics were playing in the finals, he would

972
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: come into your locker room because he wanted to see

973
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: what it was like to be in the NBA finals,

974
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: what was the mindset of the guys that were in

975
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: that moment, and it would it helped him be able

976
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: to take that back to his team. Right. Why y'all

977
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: let that man in there. I love Isaiah. That was

978
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: my man, and uh he was my best friend at

979
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: that time. So it wasn't just in the locker room. Also,

980
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: we would sit up in my room or we'd go

981
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: in the lobby and just talk that that game in

982
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: the series. So he was just man, he was just

983
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: getting all this valuable information both watching the game as

984
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: well as talking to me about it, my approach, how

985
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: I saw it. And sure enough, man, when it was

986
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: their turn. Wow, he took full advantage of it. But

987
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: give Isaiah credit because a lot of dudes that they

988
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: won't do that. No, there you go right there, Pride

989
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: and Ego, the camp, the agent, you know, the team

990
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: around her, because now everybody got a team we ran with.

991
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: I ran with one dude back in the day. You

992
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: ran with one dude, And now the NBA Finals changed

993
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: you and I Sail's relationship. Yeah, yeah, I did. And

994
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: I'm sad that I have to sit here and say that,

995
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: but it did both. I'm sure his coach, just like

996
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: pat Riley, wanted to know, and my and my teammates

997
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: wanted to know if I had to and I'm gonna

998
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: put him down, you did and I said yeah, and

999
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: I did, And so that got them said okay, because

1000
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: he but he looked he looked at you different, oh,

1001
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: because the problems like okay, you know, you guys had

1002
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: a great relationship. You know you you you a a

1003
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: bro a stay healthy, good. But he came down in

1004
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: the middle and you had to You had to let

1005
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: them know that's right, my teammates as well as the Pistons.

1006
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: You had to let him know that's right, that I'm

1007
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: here to win, right. And then he jumped up swinging,

1008
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: and I said, no problem. I ain't had no problem

1009
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: with that, you know. And so it took us a

1010
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: matter of fact, the last probably a couple of years

1011
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: to mend everything right. And uh, but man, we had

1012
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: some good times, right and uh, what a great training

1013
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: part partner and a great friend of our families. Our

1014
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: families were close to as well. That's the one I regret.

1015
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: You know, you regret some things in life. That was

1016
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: one of them. I regret not calling Lebron telling him

1017
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: I was stepping down. I really regretted that I owed

1018
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: him that. Why didn't you step down saying it's just

1019
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: I had to. I I thought I had the power

1020
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: to do what I wanted to do, and what did

1021
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: you want to do? I wanted to fire Luke Walton.

1022
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: You didn't feel that he was capable of doing the job. Oh,

1023
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: I knew he wasn't right, and so I said, hey,

1024
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: we gotta let him go. He's he's not the right guy.

1025
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: He you know, he's not a great coach for the

1026
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: Laker team, and they wanted to keep him. So I said, Okay,

1027
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: I already knew that I didn't want to fracture the

1028
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: great relationship I had with Genie bus Right, that's my sister, right,

1029
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: so and and and stead of me, you know, sitting there,

1030
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,479
Speaker 1: And I can never be this dude to just sit

1031
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: and not say what's on my mind. Right, I said,

1032
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: let me just exit. It's gonna be best for everybody.

1033
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: And I felt some dudes wanted to be in the

1034
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: seat that I had, So hey, let you go ahead,

1035
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: you can have it. I'm out, uh, and Janie and

1036
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: I are still great friends. And so it was the

1037
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: best move, and I'm glad I did it. I regret

1038
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: not calling him. Right, what, how different do you believe

1039
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: your NBA career would have been in your life in

1040
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: general had you not gotten the diagnosis in nineteen ninety one,

1041
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: Because how many more years do you feel you could

1042
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: played at the top of your game? Oh? Man, I probably, Man,

1043
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: I would have played a lot more years, and I

1044
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: probably would have had been number one and assists right, right,

1045
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: you said that record out. Oh for sure, for sure,

1046
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: for sure and so and we probably would have won

1047
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: a few more championships as well. But you know, one

1048
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: thing I'm good at is dealing with the cars. I'm

1049
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: dealt right, and I never looked back. I've never been

1050
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: this dude. You never asked the question like that, why me?

1051
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: How did this happen? By this? Well I did when

1052
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: it first, when it first happen, when it first happened,

1053
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: You're liked because I remember, I remember Magic. It was

1054
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: ninety one and we've coming out the practice field and

1055
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: one of our reporters, like Magic Johnson's retired and he

1056
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: was retiring because of this. I'm like, h what yeah, yeah,

1057
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: because it was so sudden, Yes, exactly, and that's what happened.

1058
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: And it hit me the same way. It was so sudden. Uh.

1059
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: And man, I was sick man for the for the

1060
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: first two years that I'm not out there right, my guys,

1061
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm young in the mental angl dealing with this for sure, publicly,

1062
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm not able to play basketball. People looking at me

1063
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: rest and also the same people who used to give

1064
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: you the dap and the love hug because because I

1065
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: didn't understand magic. Okay, they say it was cool for

1066
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: him to play on the Dream Team, but they didn't

1067
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: want your an NBA. Yeah, all the guys, yeah, you know,

1068
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: and so especially carm Alone, he came out public against

1069
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: with it. Now, I just played with you right in

1070
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: a Dream team, and I practice against you every single day,

1071
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: and now you don't want to play with me. I mean,

1072
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry against me. I was like, Wow, you could

1073
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,959
Speaker 1: have just said that to me right privately, that's right,

1074
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: and we'd be cool with that, no question about. So

1075
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: I said, you know what I said, I don't want

1076
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 1: to I don't want to damage the league. I don't

1077
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: want if they if they gonna look at me that way,

1078
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: I won't come back. Right, We had some work to do,

1079
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: so I started educating everybody about the disease and everything,

1080
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 1: and then I finally came back. I played with half

1081
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: the season a little bit, and I went out my way,

1082
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,479
Speaker 1: and then they wanted me to come back, and I said,

1083
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: I think, and I said I'm good. And so that's

1084
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: when I retired. And it's like you and I now,

1085
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you into your second life and

1086
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: you reinvented yourself and now you're a businessman doing great things.

1087
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: That's what it's all about it and so that's what

1088
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: I decided to do. Just get into my business life.

1089
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: Woman thing. I want to ask you about this because

1090
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: I really think you can help a lot of men,

1091
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people in our community. Your youngest son

1092
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: chose to live his life as a gay man's right,

1093
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: And I remember I heard somewhere where you said, well

1094
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: it was you kind of saw things that things that

1095
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: normal boys like to do. He kind of didn't want

1096
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: to do it. So you kind of had an england

1097
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: but you wanted to hear him say yes, right, you

1098
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to form up. You're like, nah, I don't

1099
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: this is not what I want to do. How was

1100
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: that conversation? And then how were you able to get

1101
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: past that? Because, like they said, there's really no manual

1102
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: of how to be a parent because you're gonna be

1103
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: throwing curveballs that you don't have any idea how to hear.

1104
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: But you just got to sit there and say, okay,

1105
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: let's work through this. Yeah. How were you able to

1106
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: to have a conversation with him and said, e J,

1107
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: you're my son. I love you. If this is the

1108
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: life you want to live, live it to the police

1109
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: or sharing it. That's a excellent question. And how you

1110
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: phrased it too and put it together. In the beginning,

1111
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: I was like, any other day, Oh, I'm gonna get

1112
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: him in sports, right, you know? And so no, and

1113
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: so when we start, first soccer and then football, he

1114
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: like mm hmm. And then you know, I saw early

1115
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: on he playing with dials, like to play dress up.

1116
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: But then if I come in, he would hide all that, right,

1117
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: But I saw it, you know, and so I think

1118
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: as he got older and older, you start seeing it,

1119
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: but he never said anything, and so I think he

1120
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: was trying to keep it from me. And then finally,

1121
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, he felt strong enough that he could finally

1122
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: tell me. And so he made me change, right, And

1123
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: so it wasn't he had to adjust. I had to adjust.

1124
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: And but yes, mom knew, so yall, okay, okay, always

1125
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: talked to his Momaya right, So cookie knew and so

1126
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: but she never told you. She was waiting on him

1127
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: to tell me, right right. So, and I finally told him,

1128
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: I said, let me tell you something. You're my son.

1129
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: I love you. Yeah, I don't care. You want to

1130
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: be a gay, gay man I'm supporting that, right, I'm

1131
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: supporting that. I'm supporting you. And when he finally announced

1132
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: it to the world, and see, I saw all the

1133
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: letters that came in around the world that he affected

1134
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: all these other young people who wanted to come out

1135
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: to their parents and gave them the strength to do it.

1136
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: I said, wow. So now we're like best of friends.

1137
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: And I tell him all the time, I'm so proud

1138
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: of you. You know, live your life just like I'm

1139
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: living my life. So live your life. Love who you

1140
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: want to love, right, Dad is gonna support you all

1141
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: the way, right, So it's really beautiful. And guess what,

1142
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: he cried. He needed to hear that, right because he

1143
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: was waiting because some of his friends didn't get that support, right, right,

1144
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: But he wanted he needed your affirmation, that's right. He

1145
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: needed confirmation from his dad, that's right, his mom. Yeah, Mom,

1146
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: I know that, but I need Urban Magic Johnson. Yes,

1147
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: I need him to say it's right. And we all

1148
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: gotta love our children. Yeah, so what they decide, that's

1149
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: their life, that's right. You a lot of parents. But

1150
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: see that's why they be behaving like they do at

1151
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: soccer games and basketball game in the football game because

1152
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: they're living their life through the child you had your life.

1153
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: That's right. That can't live his life whatever whatever he

1154
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: or she wants to be or do in their life,

1155
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: if they harm nobody, do that, yes, and support them

1156
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: because they need that. That's what they need. They need that.

1157
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: They need to know that you love them and that

1158
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: you support them whatever decision they make, whoever they decide

1159
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: to love, but like you gotta support that. And so

1160
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: that's what I've been able to do. So I'm I'm

1161
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: glad you brought it up because a lot of times

1162
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: in the black community, even those who are Christian or

1163
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: go to church. I go to churchill I'm a Christian Manchi,

1164
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: but I love my son. I am stepping away from

1165
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: my son exactly. Again. We're best of friends. Support not

1166
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: only him Andre Elisa, my daughter as well, and they

1167
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: all are tight. Right. You can't say nothing wrong or

1168
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: about my my son in front of Elisa. She'll attack you.

1169
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: The business magic. I'm gonna get youa to go to

1170
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: this magic, the business side of magic. Were you always

1171
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: into this or were this Once ninety one happened, you said, Okay,

1172
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: I can't do basketball now I need to transition to

1173
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: find something to do with my time that basketball used

1174
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: to occupy. Is that where the magic Johnson brand business

1175
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: came up came about? Or were you always dabling? Yeah,

1176
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: it was before that. I was educating myself with mentors. Okay,

1177
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: you know doctor Jerry Buster later on, or the Lakers

1178
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: became my first mentor, Peter Grewber, all these guys, you

1179
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: know how it shouts and on and on and on.

1180
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: So U two guys back in Lansaman, Michigan, Greg Eaton

1181
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: and Joe Ferguson showed me that black men could own

1182
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: businesses and buildings. I was like, what we can do that? Wow?

1183
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: That really inspired me and changed my dreams. Okay, but

1184
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: I was preparing before I announced I had HIV. That

1185
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: just jumped started me in ninety one, and so that's

1186
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: when I said, Okay, now I can full attention on

1187
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: the business and starting it my journey. And sure enough

1188
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: I just took off from there and I've been in

1189
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: it ever since. And so I've been blessed man. And

1190
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: I did something a lot of guys remember it was

1191
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: an unwritten rule you couldn't be befriend the owner. So

1192
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: all of 'em are looking at the Lakers looking at

1193
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: me like, oh, they had a meeting on me. Come here.

1194
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: You can't be Jerry Bus's friends. I said, Okay, I'm

1195
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: gonna put it to y'all like this. You're a millionaire.

1196
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: He a billionaire. I'm going with him. I can't be you.

1197
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm going with him. And that's what I did. So

1198
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: I said, y'all can be mad if you want. That

1199
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with my job, right. I do

1200
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: my job, and I do it well. Well, ain't nothing

1201
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: gonna change, right. But when he say come to lunch

1202
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: and dinner, come to my houseplay pool, and I'm soaking

1203
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: getting all that knowledge, and you're crazy. You can't give

1204
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: it you back, right, But I can get it from

1205
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: him because I'm going somewhere. Magic Johnson wants the only

1206
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: NBA team I do just the right situation. But I'm

1207
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: such a Laker fan. I don't know. I can't do it.

1208
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 1: I don't think you could do it. I just I've

1209
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: had four opportunities, right, and I turned them all down. Right.

1210
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: Joe Lake up and Peter Gruber sat down lunch with

1211
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: me in Sala Monica. We want you to be our

1212
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: partners with the Golden State Boys, I love both men, right,

1213
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: I just couldn't do it, lak, I love the lady.

1214
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: And then I also magic is that your relationship. You

1215
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: are a people person, and if somebody comes to you,

1216
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna give them knowledge. And people will say, well,

1217
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: hold on, how you will get somebody knowledge? You own

1218
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 1: this up, you help it the beat? Yep, I don't.

1219
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna You can own an NFL

1220
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: team or baseball team, but basketball, your love of the game,

1221
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: you will not hoard that knowledge. Yeah. So ever, and

1222
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: all of 'em come to me still, and I help

1223
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: all of 'em out. That's just who I am, just

1224
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: who you are, right, And so even knowledge on the

1225
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: show every single day you pass that knowledge on the

1226
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: skilp and all of us, right, And it's beautiful to

1227
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: see and here right and so listen, man, this has

1228
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: been amazing. We could go for another two three hours.

1229
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: I appreciate magic. I appreciate it. I appreciate your time

1230
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: because I know how busy are we were talking up

1231
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: fair about you know, hey, I gotta go here, here, here, here,

1232
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm here for a couple of days. If I go there, there, there,

1233
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: But for you to take time out of your busy

1234
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: schedule and sit down and give us an opportunity. So

1235
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: all my listeners at club shake shape, because I'm sure

1236
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: they're gonna hear some things that you probably haven't shared

1237
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: before or haven't shared in a very long time. So

1238
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,759
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, brou anytime you know, for you, anytime,

1239
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you for having me in clubs. Shake shape.

1240
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: I'll mend, check in and shan then oh we're doing it, baby.

1241
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 1: See two for my athletes, still doing it, still doing it.

1242
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: We talked to talk. We understand the same way. Rights

1243
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: all my life and grinding all my life, Sack fights,

1244
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 1: hustle back, pricing, Want a slice, Got the broll dice

1245
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: to swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life,

1246
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: all my life, the grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle

1247
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 1: backy pricing, Want a slice, Got the brother dice to

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Speaker 1: swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life.