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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lolli. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: You hear the horn, Yeah, that's that means Steelers many

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Speaker 1: can't practice Number three, the final one of the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three off season is getting ready to well it's

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Speaker 1: basically it's underway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. There they're on on the field. They're about to

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Speaker 2: snap the football for the first time, for the last time.

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Speaker 1: First time for the long He is Matt Williams.

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Speaker 2: A little break.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lollie. We are live at the upmc

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Speaker 1: reny Sports Complex here today. Another beautiful day.

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Speaker 2: Boy. We got one outside every for every one of

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Speaker 2: these sects. We had a technical difficulty, but that wasn't

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Speaker 2: it wasn't right.

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Speaker 1: That was the team was still on the field. We

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Speaker 1: just weren't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And outside of that, we had a dozen practices

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Speaker 2: just being number twelve, and all of them were I

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Speaker 2: would say beautiful weather, not just not too shabby or

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Speaker 2: putty jacket on. I mean it was perfect. Absolutely a

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Speaker 2: little word yesterday but didn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you you know, allows the Steelers to come

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Speaker 1: out and get a lot of work. You know, when

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Speaker 1: they do when they move indoors or when they have

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Speaker 1: to move indoors. They still get their work in.

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Speaker 2: Confined space.

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Speaker 1: It's not the same like they use both fields here.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they use every bladed grass here. I mean

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Speaker 2: they got ninety players. I mean, just to pull back

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Speaker 2: the curtain. This isn't revealing anything. But not only they

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Speaker 2: use both fields, but they use the sidelines. You know

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Speaker 2: that they use every bit of grass. I mean there's

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Speaker 2: portions of individual periods where.

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Speaker 1: Former Steelers defensive coordinator Keith how about that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's a lot more efficient out here,

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Speaker 2: a lot more. I would have to study it. But

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Speaker 2: I wonder do they have to condense things or I mean,

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Speaker 2: or they just don't get as many people doing stuff

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Speaker 1: Time practices that they have a training camp when they've

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Speaker 1: I mean cleats on, you're getting up, you're basically what

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Speaker 2: A walk through right in totally different conditions. So now

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Speaker 2: they were again not pulling any you know, curtains back here.

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Speaker 2: But I think they've gotten a lot of really good

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Speaker 1: And you know every you know, we've talked to Mike

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, he's expressed that exactly. Uh something

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Speaker 1: he said yesterday, Matt. That picked my interest a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and I wrote about it on Steelers dot Com. He said,

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Speaker 1: he's not so much out here watching these practices, but listening, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if they're doing that, that shows a level of understanding

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Speaker 2: Okay, as usual, he phrases it better than I would have,

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Speaker 2: mean there's more mental growth in these twelve practices than

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Speaker 2: But if you're doing all the right things, and you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I mean, these are different than training

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Speaker 1: You know, when people ask me, well, who's standing out

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 1: They're not in pads right, nobody's tackling anybody. Lots of

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Speaker 2: We had the conversation late yesterday about Kenny Pickett's body.

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Speaker 2: My Tomlin likes to say.

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Speaker 1: So for him, that listening part of this, that wanting

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Speaker 2: That does, right. I mean, noverybody knows where they're lined up.

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Speaker 2: But in the attitude too, you know, are you in

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Speaker 2: I mean, so I do think there's a lot to

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Speaker 2: You know, like Benny Snell always comes to mind. Are

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Speaker 2: I give Benny Snell credit because he was the star

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Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on something that that Steelers WI

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Speaker 1: Let me see if I can find the exact quote here,

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Speaker 1: because it was picked up and taken completely out of context.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps, Yeah, right, you once. That happens in the so

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Speaker 1: Well, NBC Sports to be Pro Football Talk Steelers wide

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Speaker 1: rookie season a failure on his part. Here's the quote.

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Speaker 2: You were standing right next to coast Jackson. I listened

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Speaker 1: He was raving about George Bakers.

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Speaker 2: And if four words come out of your mouth and

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Speaker 1: Here's here's the entire thing. It has to be a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the quarterback coach should say the same thing.

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Speaker 1: But there's people out there taking just that second part

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Speaker 2: last year. Yes, that's the expectation why you're hired.

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Speaker 2: Right right, right, right right, And of course the fantasy

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Speaker 2: And frankly, if Adam Schefter reports the Commanders and Steelers

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Speaker 1: I can remember when they drafted bud Dupree and we're

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Speaker 2: That's a lot different than the Steelers are in factory

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a grade on everyone because you've you've got

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So this stuff is that kind of stuff is

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Speaker 2: You have to, you have to, and frankly, very well

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Speaker 2: know what I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, I don't even know what you do that because

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Speaker 1: you got to pay the guy.

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Speaker 2: You got to pay the guy, and he's he's a

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Speaker 2: free agent after the year. For people don't realize because

440
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Speaker 2: they did not pick up.

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Speaker 1: This quite frankly, what's he done the last two years?

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Speaker 2: Well, not to reason he's available. That's why he's the

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Speaker 2: only reason he hasn't been you.

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Speaker 1: Know what Alex Highsmith's done the last two years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not comparing Young to high Smith. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 2: would you consider adding Young to the mix the right price?

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Speaker 1: I would?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would consider adding anyone to the mix

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Speaker 2: at the.

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Speaker 1: Right price if it's you know, if it's the Alan

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Speaker 1: Robinson price. Okay, yeah, you know, I'm do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, But if you.

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Speaker 1: Know that's the give and take that that take place

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Speaker 1: in the front offices of every team in the league.

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Speaker 1: You know, Okay, what's is the first of all, is

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Speaker 1: the player worth this? Is he worth? Is he worth

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Speaker 1: bringing into our situation?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And then the second part of the equation.

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Speaker 2: Is the cost? Right? Oh yeah yeah.

461
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Speaker 1: And if those two things don't mesh up, you're not

462
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Speaker 1: making you're not doing anything.

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Speaker 2: I'm not giving our listeners a hard time. But so

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Speaker 2: many people don't think about the contract part of it,

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Speaker 2: you know, like, wow, of course I'd give up a

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Speaker 2: fifth round pick for Jalen Ramsey and Hunter Long or

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Speaker 2: whatever it was. I mean, like, how do you get

468
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Speaker 2: that guy for that cheap? Well, you got Pam, you

469
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Speaker 2: gotta right. I mean, Alan Robinson's worth more than swapping

470
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Speaker 2: seventh round picks? Is he worth this much contract space

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Speaker 2: and all that? Well? The one team he is, the

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Speaker 2: one team he isn't. I mean the Rams don't have

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Speaker 2: the space. They had to get a room. Yeah, gone,

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Speaker 2: or Ramsey and Robinson.

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Speaker 1: That's how it goes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, that's my rant for the day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sure, but we're gonna take a break.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Waite fitting this week though, with losing

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Speaker 2: stand and some people in the media are very much

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Speaker 2: professionals and some are just doing it for the wrong reasons.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, and you're gonna hear more of

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Speaker 1: that as the as the offseason continues. I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: get we're heading into the period now where not much

486
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Speaker 1: is happening around the league. Yeah, and so you start

487
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Speaker 1: trying to drum up stuff.

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Speaker 2: No one's been to my site in a while, so

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Speaker 2: let's yeah, send some out there.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So take everything that you see like that, think

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Speaker 1: about think about it from that perspective that we just

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Speaker 1: gave you. Does this make sense?

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Speaker 2: So it's funny. I mean, I know we're going to

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Speaker 2: a break, but like I go to NBC Sports every

495
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Speaker 2: day and that's where all these blurbs areight, blah blah blah.

496
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Speaker 2: Used we wrote a world so one of them today.

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Speaker 2: You know, everyone's putting as we're doing here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's putting, you know, microphones in coaches faces. This week.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a big week for it. You're

500
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Speaker 2: not gonna hear from him for six weeks. Well, Washington's

501
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Speaker 2: head coach says, yeah, we plan on involving the tight

502
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Speaker 2: end position a lot in our passing game. Why, I mean,

503
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Speaker 2: they're tight ends. The tight ends are junk. Their receivers

504
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Speaker 2: are really good. You know, Like, no, you don't. But

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Speaker 2: is there any harm in saying it as a head coach?

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Speaker 2: Of course not. You think Logan Thomas is gonna catch

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty balls this year, So the fantasy

508
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Speaker 2: community is.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, oh, yeah, he's gonna be a big option

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 2: No, he's not go back to sleep right Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, we're gonna we are going to get to that break.

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Speaker 1: He has Matt Williams and I am Dale Lallie. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and

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Speaker 1: ESPN nine seventy. We are live from the Steelers OTAs.

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Speaker 1: They are off mini camp here at the UPMD. They

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Speaker 1: really are just extensions of the OTAs. I get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know with the upmc rooney Sports Complex. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back with more right after this. Welcome back. I am

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Speaker 1: Dale Lallie. He is Matt Williamson, and this is the

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Speaker 1: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy. We

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Speaker 1: are live from the UPMC Rooney Sports Complex where the

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Speaker 1: Steelers are going through Mini camp practice number three, the

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Speaker 1: final one of the twenty twenty three season, and Matt

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Speaker 1: I just toroling around the internet. Here I found Pete

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Speaker 1: Prisco from CBS Sports Door. I've known Pete for a

527
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Speaker 1: long time and he put together his list of his

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Speaker 1: top one hundred players in the NFL. So I thought

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Speaker 1: we'd peruised through this to see what Steelers made to listen.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I like about Pete's list he doesn't overrate.

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Speaker 2: The quarterback good. I mean, I think you can't.

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Speaker 1: Just that's the easy way. I'll put fifteen quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: my top one hundred, but that's not the reality.

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Speaker 2: Right right, Sure they're the most valuable. Yeah, you could

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Speaker 2: put thirty two of them. I mean, Ritters are one

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Speaker 2: of the one hundred most valuable players in the league.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Pickett, I mean these guys

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Speaker 2: that are unknown, so real quick before you do. I

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Speaker 2: always like to do this when we do the one

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Speaker 2: hundred top one hundred list because NFL dot Com always

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Speaker 2: comes out with the big one and everyone watches it.

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Speaker 2: So on the opening day rosters, there's just under seventeen

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Speaker 2: hundred players in the league. Yeah, and one hundred of

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Speaker 2: those means you're like in the top six percent to

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Speaker 2: your percent, you know, so give or take, you know,

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Speaker 2: like it's really easy to be like, how could that

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Speaker 2: guy not be in the top one hundred. Well, being

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Speaker 2: in the top six percent of what you do is

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Speaker 2: pretty good. Comp doown good, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And if you break it down positionally, it's even right.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, you divide that by what you know, well,

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Speaker 2: not twenty two guys on the field, but if you

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Speaker 2: divide it by positions, you know, I mean, you're basically.

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Speaker 1: You're an offensive lineman and on you're on this list.

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Speaker 2: You're probably the two percent, right, yeah, right, right right?

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Speaker 1: Uh. Looking at his honorable mentions, here you got eight

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Speaker 1: and high. Utchinson, Dak Prescott, Daniel Hunter, Bobby Wagner, Mike Williams,

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Speaker 1: A J. Terrell, Tua TAGAVALOA dra Greenlaw, Kirk Cousins, Aaron Jones,

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Speaker 1: Tron Armstead, Buddha Baker, Kavon Thibodeaux, Trayvon Diggs, Jordan Poyer,

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Speaker 1: Charles Cross. He has a bunch here.

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Speaker 2: In would say this is a perfect example of how's

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Speaker 2: that guy on the really.

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Speaker 1: Good that's why I'm reading this, or some good guys

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Speaker 1: in here, Charles Cross with the Seahawks, Marlon Humphrey, Antoine Winfield,

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Speaker 1: Gino Smith, Michael on the when when I can't pronounce uh,

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Speaker 1: Marshawn Lattimore, Calvin Ridley, Matt Mulano, Matthew Stafford, Tony Pollard,

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Speaker 1: Lugerius Snead, Keenan Allen, Javon Hargrave, Travis at m Draymond Jones,

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Speaker 1: Leonard Williams, Kyler, Murray, Jayvon Holland, Rashaun Gary, Mike Evans,

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Speaker 1: Deron Payne, Denzel Ward, Cam Jordan the Mario Davis, Jonathan Allen,

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Speaker 1: Justin Simmons, Elkton Jenkins, Christian Watson, Jesse Bates the Third,

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Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell, Kyle Hamilton, and James Bradberry.

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Speaker 2: Again, that's that's a big list.

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Speaker 1: A lot of quarterbacks on there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and no Steelers. That's interesting. Yeah, that's definitely not

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Speaker 2: worth They had him put two and two on that.

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Speaker 2: But there's probably fifty names you rattled off there. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: and many of those guys would have been Top one

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Speaker 2: hundred a year ago or just had a slightly down year.

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Speaker 2: There's some Geno Smith, types on there that weren't even

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Speaker 2: considered but had this really strong year. I mean there's

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Speaker 2: guys like Deron Pain on that list that were franchise players,

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Speaker 2: you know, they're making big, big money, or Javon Hargrave

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Speaker 2: that became one of the highest paid defensive tack a league,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, so being on the just missed

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Speaker 2: list is strong company in itself. So what are you

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Speaker 2: the top seven percent in the league, right both top

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Speaker 2: six or whatever?

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Speaker 1: You know, So let's just run through these. So number

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Speaker 1: one Hunter's Kevin Byerd ninety nine, Matthew Judon ninety eight,

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Speaker 1: Shaq Leonard ninety seven, Hair Smith ninety six, Darius slagh

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Speaker 1: and ninety five Jalen Phillips.

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Speaker 2: Okay, no one really stands out as boy they don't

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Speaker 2: belong or I mean, and I'm not going to kill

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Speaker 2: a list of one hundred either, you know. I mean

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Speaker 2: some of those dudes have nice, big bodies of work,

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Speaker 2: you know, their strong careers, the Judawns, those type of dudes,

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Speaker 2: and just Byered, you know, some of them are up

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Speaker 2: in age, you know. And will Harrison Smith be able

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Speaker 2: to stay on there next year? Probably not?

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Speaker 1: You know that takes Yeah, that takes us. Ninety four

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Speaker 1: is Dalvin Cook who just got released. Ninety three to

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Speaker 1: remain Edmonds.

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Speaker 2: Just got paid in a big way.

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Speaker 1: Ninety two Patrick Peterson really nice so he made the list.

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Speaker 1: Ninety one is Trey Hendrickson, and ninety is Chris Godwin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean at Peterson making that list, that's good year.

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Speaker 2: Last year, he had a really good year last year.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't hurt that he has a He's a brand name player.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure too. I mean, if it was Joe Blow

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Speaker 2: fifth round corner that had that year, maybe he wouldn't

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Speaker 2: get the recognition. But what he's done in his career

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Speaker 2: is deserve it of that, if not more, you know,

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Speaker 2: that makes tons of sense.

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Speaker 1: Eighty nine is Grady Jarrett eighty eight, Alvin Kamara eighty seven,

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Speaker 1: Christian Kirk eighty six, Tarik Woolan eighty five, Cameron Curl

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Speaker 1: not a household.

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Speaker 2: Not a household name, A good player. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: if you were a Commander fan, you'd be appreciating his work.

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Speaker 2: I like the peat puts guys like that. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean the guys have deserved He's had two good

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Speaker 2: years and nobody knows who he is eighty four. DJ

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Speaker 2: Reider another name that's we know around here from playing

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Speaker 2: against them twice a year, but the nation doesn't know

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Speaker 2: how good DJ Reader is.

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Speaker 1: Eighty three a mon Ross Saint Brown ok. Eighty two

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Speaker 1: Derek Brown made it over some bigger names, some bigger

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Speaker 1: names defensive defensive tax.

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Speaker 2: Over Hargrave and Pain and some of those dudes. He's

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Speaker 2: a really ascending player to me.

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Speaker 1: Eighty one Tyram Mathow, Okay. And then eighty is Joe Thuney.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, high quality guard that's not the best

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Speaker 2: in the league, coming like eightieth on this list.

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Speaker 1: You know, that just says how good these players are

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Speaker 1: in the league. Seventy nine is t Higgins. Seventy eight

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Speaker 1: justin fields.

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Speaker 2: Ooh. I struggle with that, but I understand it, just

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Speaker 2: because boy's hard to play.

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Speaker 1: Again, if you're just saying football players.

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Speaker 2: Here, right, you know, But like having him over Dak Prescott, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I kind of rubs me the wrong way, you know,

642
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Speaker 2: but I get it. I mean, if you asked Joe,

643
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Speaker 2: average linebacker in the NFC would rather play against Dak

644
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Speaker 2: or Fields? You might get mixed answer. You'll get you right, might.

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Speaker 1: Be split fifty fifty might lean one way or the other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it might surprise it.

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Speaker 1: Seventy seven is Landon Dickerson good player, seventy six rope

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Speaker 1: One Smith, seventy five Stefan Gilmore.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean there's guys like Gilmore that are still

650
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Speaker 2: going strong even though that you know, one team doesn't

651
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: give up on them but moves on from him. You know, right,

652
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: I get it.

653
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: Uh Seventy four is Christian Wilkins good, really good player.

654
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of good dtackles gonna be on

655
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: this list.

656
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: Seventy three Micah Hyde, seventy two Chris A. Lave, seventy

657
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: one Leavonte David still deserving and seventy is Austin Ekelar.

658
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: Okay, nobody stands out negatively, you know, I mean like

659
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: they're all in the right neighborhood.

660
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna like his next with sixty nine Devonte Smith.

661
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was not a believer. I was old school.

662
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: He's too skinny, blah blah blah. He's really really good.

663
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,239
Speaker 2: He'd be a one for most teams. Uh.

664
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: Sixty eight Terry McLaurin. Sixty seven is Brian Burns sixty

665
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: six Pine Sewel and sixty five to Forest Buckner.

666
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: It's you know, personal note, it's funny to me. I

667
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: guess got a chuckle that Davonte Smith and McLaurin we're

668
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: back to back. Yeah. I mentioned the other day on

669
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: our podcast we're going division by division and picking. We'd

670
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: pict three receivers in the East and we were battling

671
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: McLaurin or Davonte Smith and as I'm right next, so

672
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: we can actually basically just flipped a coin.

673
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, sixty fours as on Reddick Sure, sixty three, Garrett Wilson,

674
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: sixty two, Jaylen Waddle, sixty one Joey Bosa, and sixty

675
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: is Jordan Malila Malatta.

676
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: We really have this issue doing dynasty stuff, but man

677
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: deciphering some of these receivers, you know, Waddle versus Davonte

678
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: Smith versus Garrett Wilson, Like, these guys are all so

679
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: good and it's just it's hard to ra you know.

680
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: Uh. Fifty nine Quentin Nelson, Yeah, I actually like, Okay,

681
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: you banged him for a bad year.

682
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I bet he was twenty last year, Yeah,

683
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: and didn't play great.

684
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: Fifty eight Chris Linstrom.

685
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: I like that ahead of Nelson, he had a much

686
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: better year.

687
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: Fifty seven is Deebo Samuel fifty six, Christian darrisaw DK metcalf.

688
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: Sure, that's yeah, Yeah, these are the guys.

689
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: Uh fifty four, Saquon Barkley Okay fifty three, Mark Andrews

690
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: fifty two, Josh Jacobs fifty one, Rashaun Slater.

691
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: I'm glad I didn't kill Slater too much after one

692
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: one year.

693
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: And fifty is Laramie Tunsel.

694
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: Who was I gonna mention here? So I don't remember

695
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: any other tight ends on the list. Mark Andrews's name

696
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: is the first one I think we came up with.

697
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: I'm curious, you know, Kelsey's coming, right. Will there be

698
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: anyone in between? Will there be? I thinks maybe Kittle?

699
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: Kittle?

700
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: Maybe Kittle, you know, I mean, because he's not talking

701
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: about fantasy and just production, he's about football player. I

702
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: think Kittle is a better player than Andrews, but I

703
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: could see I think most people would have Andrews as

704
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: the number two tight end.

705
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: Is my point forty nine Joel Patonio Okay forty eight,

706
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: Ced Lamb forty seven, A. J. Brown forty six, Tristan

707
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: Wurf's forty five Derwin James.

708
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: All high quality players that are stars or now you're

709
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: talking about the top two point five percent, right right right.

710
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: Forty four is Von Miller. Forty three Jeffrey Simmons.

711
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: Nice.

712
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: Forty two Jason Kelsey.

713
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like he's the best center in the league,

714
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: and he's the forty second best player in the league,

715
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

716
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: Forty one is Minka Fitzpatrick.

717
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: There you go. Okay, So second Steeler to make pless, Okay,

718
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: forty is Creed Humphrey.

719
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: He is Creed Humphrey ahead of kel s Elsons barely,

720
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, you got ahead of them.

721
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: They put him right next to each other. Yeah.

722
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: Thirty nine Cam Hayward ahead of Jeffrey Simmons, who beat

723
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: him up for the.

724
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious how many dtackles are ahead of k

725
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: Curious as well, because there's a good group in the

726
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: league right now.

727
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: Thirty eight Max Crosby, thirty seven Fred Warner.

728
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Yeah, Crosby's an elite edge rusher and Warner

729
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: is the best linebacker in the league. And I'm not

730
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: saying they're in the wrong spot, you know, I mean,

731
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: it's just what we're talking about here.

732
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: Thirty six is Jonathan Taylor. Thirty five he's still deserving.

733
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

734
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: Thirty five is Lamar Jackson.

735
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean we know there's gonna be six or

736
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: seven quarterbacks still, yeah, and we know those names.

737
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: Thirty four is Dexter Lawrence.

738
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: He's I don't have a problem with him ahead of camp. Yeah,

739
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: and we're in at least in the same neighborhood.

740
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: Thirty three is Nick Chubb. Thirty two George Kittle.

741
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: Would you Chub or Taylor? I only asked that because

742
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: I was listening to a fantasy podcast on the way

743
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: down here and they were battling that conversation.

744
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: Taylor is the more complete player.

745
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think either.

746
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: We're talking just straight runner, I probably go Chubb. If

747
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 1: we're talking about all around back, I have go Taylor.

748
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: I agree, I think he catches the ball better.

749
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm torn for fantasy which one I'll prefer because

750
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: I think Chubb might see more third downs this year,

751
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: might catch more passes than usual, and Richardson might steal

752
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: goal line stuff from Taylor. But they're two of the

753
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: best runners in the league. Yeah. Yeah.

754
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: Thirty two is Kittle and then, okay, so Kittles above it.

755
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: Thirty one is Jalen Hurts, okay, ahead of Lamar.

756
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: I I can't go there. I have all the respect

757
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: in the world for Hurts, and I'm on record saying

758
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: I didn't think he was gonna make it. I mean,

759
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: I just thought his accuracy stuff was too bad. But

760
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: to his credit, he's proved me wrong. But I would

761
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: have Lamar ahead of him.

762
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: Thirty is Derrick Henry.

763
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I still have Chubb and Taylor headed.

764
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: Dereck Henry twenty nine pretty special guy. Yeah. Twenty nine

765
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: is Aaron Rodgers okay. Twenty eight seven great year, though

766
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: I think they'd have him lower. Twenty eight is Quinn

767
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: Williams fine, twenty seven Christian McCaffery. Twenty six Cooper Cup

768
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: and twenty five is Zach Martin. These are all the

769
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: best at what they do. Yeah, and they're still not

770
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: in the top ten or fifteen or whatever.

771
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: Twenty four is Andrew Thomas.

772
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

773
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know a lot of fans.

774
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: I'll say, people were like, what, Yeah, he's a left tackle.

775
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 2: The Giants folks out of Georgia in the the Georgia

776
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: left tackle lineage that now the Steelers are a part of.

777
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd like to you know if two years from now,

778
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: three years from now, you're Broderick Jones is in that conversation,

779
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: You're like.

780
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, yeah exactly, And real quick on Thomas, he

781
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: came out in a really good tackle year. That was Worf's,

782
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: that was Will's yea, and somebody else went high and

783
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: every draft knick out there had him in different order,

784
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: you know what what four should go, and few had

785
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: Thomas has won and a lot of people kind of

786
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: laughed at Gettelman, like that's the one you're taking out

787
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: of these guys. And he started his career slow. He

788
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: was struggling his offensive tackles. Often do folks is a

789
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 2: Georgia not at Georgia.

790
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: Steelers aren't going to rush Broderick Jones.

791
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: And now he's just stood yep.

792
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: Uh twenty three Trevor Lawrence, is that putting the too

793
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: high for me?

794
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

795
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: Putting the car war now pulling out to them, pulling

796
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: the curtain back a little bit piece jag guy. He

797
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: did break into the league as a Jaguars reporter, so.

798
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: I almost said that when Christian Kirk was in the

799
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: top hundred. Yeah, I was like, that's the little kind.

800
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: But okay, twenty two is justin Herbert. That being said,

801
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: I mean, we're all human beings, and if we were

802
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: Jags practice every day. Being this close to Trevor Lawrence,

803
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: I bet would be impressed with the Yeah.

804
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: I mean I remember seeing him in the preseason last

805
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: year and going ooh, yeah he does some stuff that

806
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: makes some throws.

807
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always tell the story is the year as

808
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: with the Browns, you know, pregame we were playing the

809
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 2: Bengals and just walking past Carson Palmer warming up, I'm like, oh,

810
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: that's what the first overall pick. Yeah, you know, like

811
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: I'm sure Lawrence has a lot of that.

812
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: Twenty one is JayR Alexander still good? Yeah, twenty top

813
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: twenty players Stefan Diggs. Okay, Patrick's retained the second agreed

814
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson. So for Eagles linemen on.

815
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 2: This list, wow, yeah, you're right.

816
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: No Isaac Samlo though, No, okay, DeVante Adams. Sixteen is

817
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, fifteen is Sauce Gardner. That's too high on

818
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner at this point after one year. Because Garret

819
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: Nelson didn't make this list.

820
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: I know, but I don't think Gerret Wilson's in the

821
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 2: conversation for best receiver on the planet right now. True,

822
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: And I think Gardner and certain are right there with

823
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: Ramsey already.

824
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: It's very flux that that cornerback position fluctuates wild.

825
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 2: Very subject to change. Yeah. Yeah. Fourteen is Jalen Ramsey.

826
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: Thirteen is Chris Jones. He should be maybe the number

827
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: one d tackle. I mean, I am sure Donald is

828
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: ahead of them, but Chris Jones is a star.

829
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: Twelve is Tyreek Hill, still as.

830
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: Scary as can be, and some of his outlying numbers

831
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 2: yards per route run things like that were ridiculous last year.

832
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: Eleven is TJ Watt.

833
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're gonna have Garrett.

834
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a little bit because of what sure.

835
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would drop him from where he

836
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: was a year ago, and that's only been fair.

837
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: I think last year was like second or third and

838
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: a lot of I bet he was right right.

839
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was top five and all of them. Yeah.

840
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: Ten is Trent Williams.

841
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: Still, he's a man out there.

842
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: Nine is Aaron Donald. So he got banged a little

843
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: bit for that last year.

844
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: Last year, I guess that's deserving. I mean he's missed time,

845
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: he's getting up in age. I mean he was, he

846
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 2: was not any less effective, but you just saw less

847
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: of him, kind of like what. Yeah.

848
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: Eight is Micah Parsons. Seven is Justin Jefferson.

849
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: Ok. I think Parsons would be my number one defensive player,

850
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: which he still could be, I guess, And this is

851
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: well Garrett yet.

852
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: Six is Travis Kelcey. Five is Miles Garrett.

853
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: And Bosa hasn't been named yet either.

854
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: Four is Nick Bosa, his brother.

855
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 2: I don't think we made the list at all.

856
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: I think he was in the others.

857
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, others, Yeah, I don't think he's one of the

858
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: top one hundred.

859
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: Three is Joe Burrow.

860
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

861
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: Two is Josh Allen. One is Patrick Mahomes.

862
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with a lot of quarterbacks

863
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: in the top ten, you know, like.

864
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: Is Burrows guys are really really good, right.

865
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: All right? I mean that's a hard conversation.

866
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: But if I'm measuring Cam Hayward versus I don't know,

867
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: pick a you know, quarterback quarterback that didn't make Kirk

868
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: Cousin Cousins a great one jam hanywys like far better

869
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: player than Kirk Cousins.

870
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually what I was gonna say about like Burrow,

871
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: Like everyone knows I adore Burrow, and maybe he he's

872
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: the second, Maybe he's the third best quarterback in the

873
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: league right now. But if someone's Kelsey is far and

874
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: away the best in the league at their position, how

875
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: do you wait that? That's that's a little difficult for me.

876
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: But to your original point, I'd love that there's not

877
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: twenty quarterbacks in Yeah. I don't remember Herbert being a

878
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: top one hundred.

879
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: He was in there. He was right just ahead of Lawrence.

880
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'd rather have been Lawrence.

881
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: And so that is Pete Prisco's top one hundred players

882
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: Steelers twenty three. You had Camp four, right, yeah, four

883
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: Camp all on defense?

884
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: It was oh Peterson, Yeah, that's the one I was.

885
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: So when we come back, we're gonna take another break.

886
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: When we come back, let's talk about guys who could

887
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: break that list, break into that list next year, because

888
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: I think there's some guys that were overlooked there. So

889
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: we will do that when we return. He is Matt Williamson.

890
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly. We are live from the upmc

891
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: rooney Sports Complex where the Steelers are taking part in

892
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: Mini Can't Practice number three. We'll be back with more

893
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: on ESPN nine to seventy and Steelers Nation Radio right

894
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: after this.

895
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: Welcome back.

896
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: I am Dale Lollie. He is Matt Williamson and Matt.

897
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: We were just talking about Pete Prisco's Top one hundred

898
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: fists here on the ESPN nine to seventy and Steelers

899
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: Nation Radio and four Steelers making the list in Peach's

900
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: Top one hundred, which is actually pretty good.

901
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, if you have again, if there's

902
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: one hundred divided by thirty two is about three per

903
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: team on average, you know.

904
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: So I was kind of surprised though that some Steelers

905
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: didn't make the list.

906
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: For the others also, it was a big list.

907
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: The honorable mention it was because it was a huge

908
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: list and only two tight ends on that list.

909
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: Interesting. I was wondering about that as well, because you

910
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: teased it last segment. You know who could get on

911
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: the list, And my first thought is Friar moves.

912
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's exactly where my mind went as well.

913
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: And you wonder is that a hard position or an

914
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: easy position to get to? Because ahead of him. I

915
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: don't remember Kittle's name.

916
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: Kittle was on. Actually there were three Tights.

917
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's the three that are established already have

918
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 2: had really good careers. The Goddards and Hawks aren't.

919
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: Not those guys aren't They're not even on the others

920
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: receiving the honorable mention here.

921
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: I don't see any of those guys. So does that

922
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: mean it's tough to make it if you're a tight end,

923
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: or does that mean that many guys that jump to

924
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: get on there? You know? So I think it's more

925
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: the latter. I mean, if you could become the consensus

926
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: third or fourth best tight end in the league this year,

927
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: you should probably be on the list.

928
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of surprised given that there were the other

929
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: four offensive linemen for the Eagles were already on that list.

930
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: Isaac Samalo didn't make that.

931
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that. Dickerson's noticeably better.

932
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I was going with that.

933
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: The other three I get ye, oh yeah, Johnson and Kelsey,

934
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: you should be on any list or you know, I mean,

935
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: really tough to former rugby player.

936
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: But if i'm if I'm looking at Dickerson or say Malo, I'm.

937
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: Like okay, same, Yeah, yeah, again, I wouldn't have had

938
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: one noticeably ahead of the other.

939
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to not even then be in the honorable

940
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: we'll mention is a.

941
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: Little and you're one drinking nothing as stickers. He's a

942
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: fine player, But if he were a Texan, would he

943
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: have been on the list? Right? That's the other Probably not?

944
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: Probably not, you you know, right, because I.

945
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: Mean, what are They're like seven eagles on that list,

946
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: eight eagles deservely.

947
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: So great again roster, but they all lift each other's

948
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 2: tied to you know, the ship, you know, lift each

949
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: other's ship.

950
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: If you took the two receivers off of their roster,

951
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, does the quarterback make right if you gave

952
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: him two league average receivers instead of having two receivers

953
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: who are on this the.

954
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: Best line in the league. Yeah, you know, Oh by

955
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 2: the way, oh by the way. Yeah. So a couple

956
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: other guys who I was just kicking around in my

957
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: cranium when we were at break is I think it's

958
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: almost impossible for Broderick Jones to make it this year,

959
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: but two years from now he could be the Andrew

960
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: Thomas story that we just you know, spil out there.

961
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: Not that hard to see that.

962
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: One bit at all. I think Kenny could be there

963
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 2: in two years. I'd be shocked if he's there in one. Yeah,

964
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: you know, I mean you have to make leaps and bout.

965
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean next year, you want to see him at

966
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: least in the honorable man Yeah, yeah, yeah, like.

967
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: Going the right direction. I mean, like, can he get

968
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: packed past the dak Prescott's and guys like that that

969
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: were honorable mentions in seventeen games between now and then?

970
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: Probably not. I mean, you know, seventeen games in a

971
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 2: quarterback's career, it's hard to skyrocket up aboard. Yeah, over

972
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: guys who have been doing it for ten years. I

973
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: think nause could be involved. I mean maybe I'm squinting.

974
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: There are running back that's the list position too, But

975
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: even the guys in the honorable mentioned, I mean, if

976
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at Aaron Jones, is there.

977
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: See real quick as you were? Like Jones, Cook, Kamara

978
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: and Henry All could be off of it though, right,

979
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. That's why I was thinking

980
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: nausey because some of the dudes that are twenty six,

981
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: twenty seven, twenty eight are going to fall off at

982
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: that position for sure.

983
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: Like Tony Pollard in Travis Aten or in the honorable

984
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: mentions here, I mean they basically both have one good season.

985
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: I have a little bit of problem with both of

986
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: those guys. I do as well, because neither's been I

987
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: might even saying Nause should be there ahead of them.

988
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: That's not what I mean at all. It's just they're

989
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: part time players. They've been specialty. But yeah, yeah, yeah,

990
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 2: they're part time players at least thus far.

991
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to run out in fantasy this

992
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: year and draft Tony Paulach just because he's now the

993
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: lead back. He's going high too. He's like a second

994
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: I know he's still going to get fifteen touches a game.

995
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: They're not.

996
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: He's never going to be a high volume guy, right right,

997
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: you know, he just can't. His body won't hold up

998
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: to that. And atn is the same thing, Like he's

999
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: a part time he's a.

1000
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: Third round pick, two hundred and twenty pounds back, right,

1001
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: Tank Bigsby. I mean, that's that's not by accident. Here's

1002
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: one of the I think Pickens absolutely could be on

1003
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: that list, but there's so many receivers. There's a bunch.

1004
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: Can he get it over McLaurin. You know what I mean.

1005
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Evans didn't make the list.

1006
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: He's a thousand yards every year of his career, every year.

1007
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: Mike Williams didn't make the list. Yeah, you know there's

1008
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of receivers on there that didn't make the

1009
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 1: list that you look and go, oh, those guys are good.

1010
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: But you'd like to see Pickens at least in that

1011
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: neighborhood a year from now, you know, with the Mike

1012
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: Williams Evans.

1013
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: So, Christian Watson made his Honorable mention Christian wat Okay,

1014
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: George Pickens season last year. I know he didn't score

1015
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: the touchdowns that Christian Watson did, but his overall body

1016
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: of work.

1017
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: I don't think I'd ed Watson in my top one.

1018
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: I wouldn't either it ever, Yeah, not to mention his

1019
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: first six games or so were bad bad they were,

1020
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: I mean, small schools struggling in the NFL. That you know,

1021
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not certain he's out of the woods

1022
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: with that. No, no, no, no, right, I mean, but.

1023
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: Like Keenan Allen was also on the Honorable mention Like

1024
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: that's that shows you that's a tough not to crack.

1025
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Keenan Allen's mister consistency.

1026
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: He's done nothing wrong in ten years to bring him

1027
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: off that list, well, it brings me the next one too.

1028
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 2: You may or may not know this, Ha, Deonta ever

1029
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: been in one of these top one hundreds, I know,

1030
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: like from.

1031
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: Not in the top one hundred, but I think he

1032
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: would have been in the honorable mentions.

1033
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: Okay a year ago, two years ago, something like that.

1034
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: One hundred catches of a thousand yards and eight touchdowns

1035
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: two years ago.

1036
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: I didn't think he was. I was thinking the NFL

1037
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: network one where the players vote. Would he ever in

1038
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: the top one hundred? I don't, I don't think. I

1039
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: don't think he cracked down me. Again, again, there's ten

1040
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: receivers on that list exactly, you're not about twenty on.

1041
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: But he also, I don't think he's a lesser player

1042
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: than a year or two ago when he would have

1043
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: been in the honorable mentions, right, I mean, I don't

1044
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: think he's done anything wrong to drop. Yeah.

1045
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: So I think that's that's a good one as well.

1046
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: And you know, you could make a case for some

1047
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: of these younger players, you know, could Alex high Smith

1048
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: should he you know, if he has another good season,

1049
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: does he at least get on that Honorable Mention list?

1050
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: I would think so.

1051
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: I mean, if he's a double DIGITSAC guy, he should

1052
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: hard guy off two years in a row. Yeah, I mean,

1053
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: I I'd have to think about who some of the

1054
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: Honorable Mention edge dudes were.

1055
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm just looking here Von Thibodeaux and that's a projection

1056
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: to Aiden Hutchinson. Okay, these guys are these guys are

1057
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: largely projections. Rashaun Gary is on there to have him higher.

1058
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was wondering, like those are really the

1059
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: edge guys or somebody like that.

1060
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: He didn't even make it that point.

1061
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: He didn't do it this year. Yeah.

1062
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, so another good season and I

1063
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: think you know, Alex Highsmith's in that conversation.

1064
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if he puts up twenty six sacks

1065
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: over two years, you know.

1066
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: I'll get you. I'll get you there, I'll get you noticed.

1067
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1068
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, guess what, we gotta take a another break here, Matt.

1069
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: These things we're just talking, talking, talking, having what we

1070
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: always do. We just have conversations, and uh, but we're

1071
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna take a break. We are here live from the

1072
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: upmc rooney Sports Complex, where the Steelers are taking part

1073
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: in many can't Practice Number three. You're listening to your

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00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,200
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