WEBVTT - Moana with Natalie Baseman 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.560 On the dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.080 women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.440 husbands or do they have individualism the patriarchy ZF and 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:16.919 best start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hi, welcome 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:19.200 to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie, my name 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:22.800 is Caitlin, and this is the vac dol Cast. This 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.280 is a movie podcast where we talked about the portrayal 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.560 of women in movies. Oh yeah, I forgot first. We 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:33.199 wanted to. It was announced recently, keeping some housekeeping things, 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.720 some cool things. It was announced recently. I found an 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.839 article on end gadget dot com, the whole website for 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.199 tech heads. Oh, I am not super familiar with it. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.920 I'm going to pretend to be cool. The article is 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:53.000 IMDb adds an F rating to help users identify feminist 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.000 friendly movies. Does that seem a little bit condescending the 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.240 F or just like confusing? Like, oh, this movie has 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:05.960 an F but it's good should be a for ally, 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.720 So I like that. I like it. I like that 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:10.319 a lot, so be on the lookout for that. I'm 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.840 not sure when they're launching that exactly. But and then 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.680 the the other thing that we learned about since our 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.480 last episode is the sexy lamp test, which is sort 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.600 of a contemporary spin on the back Dolt test that 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.560 in the sexy lamp that's a reference to Christmas story, 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.280 is it not? Okay? So the sexy lamp test is 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.720 none of the women can be replaced by a sexy 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.800 lamp and have the plot remain intact. So it's basically 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.480 just like a lesson in objectification, which we're down for. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.479 We're down. There's so many variations on tests. I mean, 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.400 I mean on this website alone, the backtel test, sexy 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:50.160 lamp test, the Mako Morey test. The Macho Morey test 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.040 says a movie has to have at least one female 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.920 character with her own narrative arc that is not about 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.160 supporting a man's story, so it has to be her own. 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.280 She has to have her own story that doesn't have 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.200 anything to do with a man's goal or desires. And 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.120 then there's the furious A test, which I think is 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.880 mislabeled here because I'm pretty sure I created that test, 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.320 and it's more the furious A rule, which is that 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.400 the baldest woman in the movie is in charge. And 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.919 I think that that rule pretty much holds up. Name 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.440 me a movie with a bald woman who is not 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.639 in charge. I don't know if I can name you 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.679 a movie with a bald woman apart from mad Max, 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:30.679 Fury Road and I Jane. Oh damn it, I was 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:36.799 like truck card. There's another one. The anti freeze test 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.480 says that no woman assaulted, injured, or killed to further 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.960 the story of another character, so that cannot happen or 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.480 else it does not pass the anti freeze test. So um, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.760 someone had tweeted at us a while back letting us 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:53.919 know about the sexy lamp test. I wish I could 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.079 remember that person's Twitter handle. I don't. Sorry, we'll put 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.480 it in the description. Yeah. Anyway, these you with these 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.600 tests were brought to our attention. So we got some 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:07.240 other litmus tests to apply to the movies we talk 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.920 about if we want anyway, let's get this moving right along, 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.200 all right, Let's do it and introduce our wonderful guests. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:22.160 She's a screenwriter and she has written for Reductress Natalie Basement. Hi, 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.960 thanks for being here. Oh, it is a pleasure to 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.560 be here. O, my god, thank you for having me. So. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.079 One of the things we often mentioned on the podcast, 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.440 and I don't like to bring it up, is that 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:37.200 I have a screenwriting master's degree. Guest, who else has 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:48.120 a screenwriting masters degree? Natalie does? Goddamn it? So serious, serious, guys. 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:53.920 So I'm a trigger. So I'm going home. You know, 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:58.800 you understand my struggle. It's hard. It's that I went 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.760 to film school because I love movies, and it it 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.960 made me so I can't watch a movie without destroying it. 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.280 I have a much more critical eye when I I 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.960 can see the screenwriter's hand in like every decision that's 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.480 made when I'm watching a movie, but I'm still able 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.360 to enjoy them. Yeah. Well, if the movie is good enough, 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.600 I'll forget about it, like the movie we're going to 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.840 talk about. I went to radio school to kill my 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:28.839 new England accent and develop a very smooth delivery voice, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:33.080 and it's working. Thank you so much. I used to 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.880 I used to host a late night R and B 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.880 show and be like, this is eight eight nine at night. 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.520 If you have any calls, feel free to call in 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:43.920 for your loved one, and then it would be like 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.800 CVS brand Delilah. It was nice. I was like, I 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.800 hope people are sucking to this, and sometimes it would 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.600 just be like horny older guys have calling and be 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.880 like play a song for my wife, and I'd be 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.920 like this next song goes out to Louisa on her 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:01.280 thirtieth anniversary. I definitely what I've listened to your show, 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.440 Thank you so much. I also hosted a show called 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.839 The Playground where I only talked in a nasal tone. 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.279 So that's what I did. That's why I'm in it good. 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:11.760 Thank you. My mom told me today that she has 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.200 a hard time distinguishing our voices whenever she was listening 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.800 to the podcast. I have sometimes too, Really, do we 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.960 say enough alike? I think that we have. Maybe I 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.920 should start talking in like an Australian accent. Hey are 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:28.240 we It's that? What's silent? So that's really good? Bad, 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:33.360 that's really good. Thanks. I only have like two voices, 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.160 which is tricky. I can talk like my former co 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.680 worker Nick, and then I can just talk hear it, Hey, Nick, 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:44.920 what's going on? Hey that's going a nice Nick Hanson? Yeah, Nick, 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.200 I have a blag about turkey sandwiches. I live in Minnesota. 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.000 I'm the nicest by a lot, and I used to 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.680 like write sketches about Nick everyone following on Twitter at 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.320 Nick Hanson m N. I used to write sketches about 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.520 Nick when we worked together, and I would always make 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.640 him like a vicious murderer and kept his name like. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.280 There was one thing used to do where I would 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.760 be like wearing a wig and I'd have a gun 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.200 under the wig. I would be just Nick going from 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.440 table to table being Hella, I have again under my wig. 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.080 Do you believe me? And then people would be like no, 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.880 He'd be like, take off my wig. I defy it. 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.120 To take off my wig. It was so much fun. 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:26.240 I missed it. That is a pretty good Nick impression. 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.600 Though you and I went to grad school together. Again, 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:34.760 I don't like. I don't like. Oh my god, guys, 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.159 in spite of the fact that I've been making cartoons 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.120 about Nick being a murderer and the cartoons are making 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.960 fun of his Turkey sandwich blog. He sent me and 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:49.279 my dad a Christmas cards. Last act, he's a very Nicholas. 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.880 He sent me a DVD of Ferris Bueller's Day Off 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:54.840 on my birthday. I don't even have a DVD player. 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.560 I love it. Hey, speaking to DVDs, let's talk about 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.400 the movie that we're here to talk about. Okay, don't 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.799 sound so defeated, because it's a movie that we enjoy, 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:07.480 we really like. We we're talking about Moanna. It came 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.280 out last year, so it's not as though any of 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.440 us have a huge history with this movie. But you 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.200 saw in theaters, right, Natalie. I saw it at a 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.880 It was a special preview at my grad school. WHOA 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:23.000 what you went to grad school? Sometimes they do at 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.520 special previews data special screen of Mohanna that was presented 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:30.480 by the Pacific Islanders Group at the school, which was 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.560 really great because there were a lot of students there 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:36.000 who are either from the Pacific Islands Hawaii or around 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.360 there or are descended from there, and I live here 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.920 and so they were all super pumped for it. So 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:43.960 it was just a really great vibe going into it. 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.560 And then there was an interview with the screenwriter after 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.320 overtty cool. Yeah, and this was this before like the 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.080 theatrical release. Yeah, just a couple of weeks there. And 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.160 I didn't know that the screenwriter of this had had 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:56.960 a hell of a year last year because he also 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.200 wrote and directed Utopia. Kidding, Yeah, he was like a 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:04.320 low gas animator last year and he looks like just 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:10.679 the widest dad. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he for sure golfs, 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:15.040 but he also had an amazing So you saw it 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:16.920 a little bit before because it came out in two 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.560 around November, was it, Yeah, it was right, it was 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.240 right before the holidays, and I just I just kept 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.560 thinking about it. I left the theater and I went 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:29.240 in with very low expectations, maybe a little bit higher 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.719 because I did enjoy Frozen so much, And then I 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:34.800 was just so blown away and just listened to the 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.880 soundtrack forever after and it's still stuck in my head. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.040 And I rewatched it for the third time last night 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.319 in preparation for this, and it is. It's just a 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.360 beautiful movie. It is. It's almost everything I ever wanted 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.240 out of a Disney princess movie, but never never knew 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.160 I wanted. Yeah, exactly. Every time I've seen it, I've 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:58.280 been so emotional because it's like, this is the this 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.200 is what Disney movies should have been like all along. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.400 Caitlin didn't cry, but she did sing. I did, right. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:09.280 So I watched it twice in the past day and 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:14.360 a half. So the story is Moanna is the daughter 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.160 of a chief on an island, called Moutanui, and we 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.199 learned about this sort of creation legend in the very 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:25.760 beginning where this demigod Maui has stolen the heart. I 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.280 like to call it the heart of the Ocean, Titanic 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:32.480 reference call it. I know that they ever actually do it. 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.880 They always call it the heart of Taffiti, because I mean, 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.959 like that would be like I would have loved that 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.480 there was an overt tan reference. Well, she wears it 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:46.040 around her neck if it were true, and Mauie drops 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:55.800 her naked. Yeah, so Maui steals the heart from this 0:09:56.240 --> 0:10:00.280 mother island, and then it creates this sort of leg 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.400 that is spreading to the other islands and like diseasing 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.400 the crops and all this stuff. So this starts to 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.000 happen to the island that Mowana lives on with her family, 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.079 her mom and her dad and her grandma. She also, 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.480 throughout the course of her childhood is drawn to the ocean, 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.439 and her dad's like, you can't go out. It's dangerous. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.280 You have to stay on the island. You can't go 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.640 out sailing, And she's like, but I wanna. So I 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.280 think it would be funny if we subbed in cocaine 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.319 for the ocean. She's like, I can't stay away. I 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:35.960 was born with this desire to snort coke. And then 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:39.360 she sings the same song about it would explain how 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.079 she got to the island so quickly, right, just just 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.559 very focused. She's like, I kinda go right now. I'm 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.120 being fast. Oh yeah, I know she Yeah, she's got 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:51.560 that co cattled brain. Yeah. So she's drawn to the ocean, 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.319 and the ocean sort of chooses her to it, like 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.760 delivers her this heart, this little rock that's the heart 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.439 of the ocean, and she's a baby, but she doesn't 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.360 really know about it. Turns out her grandma found it 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:06.640 for her and has been keeping it for her. And 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.679 then when the crops start to get to disease and 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.959 there's no fish, she's like, I gotta go and fix this. 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:15.880 There's a whole global warming climate change. I made notes 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.760 about it. So she decides to she gets the call 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.400 to adventure. She goes off and she takes a boat 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.319 because she learns that their ancestors were all voyagers, and 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.600 so she's like, I gotta get on these boats. I'm 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.199 gonna go off and I'm gonna go to Maui. The 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.280 stemigod who fucked everything up. I went back up a 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.319 little bit to say, ten minutes of topless baby, we 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.839 do see some babies nipples. We see baby nips and 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:46.000 progressive in every way. I'm like, you know what, loving 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.679 not aroused by these baby nips. Just happy they're here. 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.160 I didn't even think about that, and I'm so happy 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.040 that's the case. I think I literally shouted baby nips. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.400 All right, we watched it together. This is we did. 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:04.640 We watched together. Oh, we're hottest couffle. Oh. And when 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:09.000 the grandmother, when she's sick and dying, she brings Mohana 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:13.000 close and says go and she says, grab Mauie, and 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:17.520 you tell him I am mo Wanna from Montanui and 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.760 you will do this. You will sail across the ocean 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.880 and you will do this, and just so forceful and beautiful. 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.480 It was great. So she does, she goes, and she 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:32.240 um kind of self teaches herself. I do feel like 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.559 with the death of the grandma, they do shoehorn in 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:40.000 a maternal death as a motivation. Um. But but I 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.400 wasn't bothered by it. I wasn't either, but it just 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.160 felt worth mentioning. So she goes, she finds Mauie. He 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.240 is a dick, but we love him, and he agreed. 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:57.080 He agrees to reluctantly help her after she convinces him, Yeah, 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.520 you thought you were great, but no one likes you anymore, 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.880 so you have to redeem yourself. And they, you know, 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:07.720 encounter some coconut pirates along the way. They only agrees 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:11.000 so he can go get his magical hook bad and 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.280 then they go do that, and there's a very sexy 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:17.600 song shiny yeah, Oh my god, the yeah, the Germaine 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.480 Clement pulling a bowie. I loved that. That was so good. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.400 And You're welcome, which is the ultimate man's bliny song. 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.679 The rock just really delivers so on every level. So 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.000 where he's a shape shifter and but he needs a 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.720 magical hook that was bestowed to him by the gods 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:36.559 to be able to shape shift. So they go and 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.720 they get his hook, and then he, like again reluctantly 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:43.120 agrees to help her restore the heart and they go 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.440 and there's a lot of a monster they have to defeat, 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.959 and she questions who she is the whole time, like, 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.240 am I the right person for this? Why was I chosen? 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.760 And he's just like egging her on, being like, yeah, 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.559 why were you chosen? And so she has all this 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.440 self doubt, um, but she's very driven throughout the entire thing. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:05.160 And then finally they get to DEFETI. She restores the heart. 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:06.920 She's the one who does it, even though the whole 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.760 time it's like, now you have to be the one 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:10.599 to do it, and then she realizes, no, I have 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.040 to be the one to do it. So she is 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.920 integral and the like actual climax and resolution of the story, 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.840 which is great. Last night, I was watching it by 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.120 myself and I was basically crying the whole time. So 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.080 what are your crime moments? Because I cry every time 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.720 I've seen this movie, and I've cried listening to soundtrack 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.280 and it is last night I tried to write down 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.680 when I cried so we could compare it. What are 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.480 the most moment? The biggest one that makes me the 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:44.960 most emotional is toward the end, after Maui has decided 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:49.040 to leave, Like, they attempted defeating I forget what the 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:54.640 law of monster's name is. Um, they attempt defeating her 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.040 once and they fail. So mal he's like, I'm going 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.440 to get out of here. And Molana is like, I've 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.080 made a mistake. I shouldn't even you chose the wrong person. 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:07.080 Please choose someone else, Ocean, and then her grandma shows 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.200 up and they sing a song together and she's like, 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.960 I am mo wanna. That's so just like so good. 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.040 Water works the lyrics of that song because I was 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.440 singing along and then realized I actually don't know the 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:23.040 lyrics and I'm just singing the emotions. But then I 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:27.359 looked up the lyrics and was bawling because they are beautiful. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.120 It's like there's a line about how the scars make 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.640 you stronger, and I mean, well, might as well jump 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.000 into it. But I really think this movie is so 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:42.640 much about overcoming trauma and overcoming these hard things that 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.120 can happen to you. And and even though Mohanna doesn't 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:52.200 necessarily she's she's the savior of the victim and it's 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.640 and it's in that moment she is so defeated and 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:59.640 then overcomes it by just repeating who she is, and 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:04.440 it's beautiful. The Disney movie that it most closely reflected 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:09.280 for me was Pocahon Tests, which was my first favorite movie. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.600 I believe that there are hours of home video footage 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.360 of me just screaming colors of the wind out a 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:20.600 mountain in New Hampshire, like Age three, but for for 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.240 a couple of reasons, even though like it's a you know, 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.920 Pocahon is hinged on, you know, she falls in love 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.960 with the man, but also she lets him go at 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.400 the end. But more so like this young woman who 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.760 goes on an adventure and then at the end she 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.800 learns about herself. She learns about A, B and C, 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.080 but then decides that her place is at home with 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.320 her family, and there's some sort of duty connected to 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.040 her home into family, which I wasn't sure where this 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.160 movie was going to end. I wasn't sure if Moana 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.040 was going to leave home or stay and and I 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.520 think I would have been happy with either. And it 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.920 didn't bother me one bit that she returned home at 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.440 for this journey all wise and coming away, Well, she 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.399 returns home, but then she's like, guys, let's all be 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.639 voyagers again. She teaches her dad how to be away 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.040 finder and stuff. It is beautiful. Caitlin, What was your 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.320 Disney Princess movie growing up? If you had one. The 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:19.240 ones that I connected with most were Little Mermaid Aladdin, 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.560 which I mean, Jasmine is a princess and it's kind 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.240 of a Disney princess. She's like, yeah, she's barely in it. 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:30.080 I also really loved Being but those are both like 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.520 so problematic that I don't even want a bit. Yeah, 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.760 I was a big Cinderella girl, and I would I 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.800 would watch both the Disney version and then like every 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.480 other version, I could get Rogers and Hammerstein Baby the best, 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:49.600 the Brandy version. And what is so great about Mohana 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.639 is that they really play with the tropes of the 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.160 fairy Tale and of the Disney Princess movie and turn 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.320 it on its on its head, but in ways that 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.480 are not jarring, but in ways that may right. So 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.639 like the Fairy Godmother and Cinderella saves the day, and 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:09.840 also Cinderella would still be there if the fair Godmother 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.680 never came, and the fairy Godler saves her over and 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.840 over again, whereas the fairy Godmother in this movie, I 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.119 would say, is the ocean. And yes, she is saved 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.680 by the ocean over and over again, but the ocean 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.000 is presented as very dangerous at the start of the movie, 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:29.960 almost kills her, and she saves herself. She gets her 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.680 foot caught underneath a rock and then breaks it away 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.240 and swims away. And she whenever I was trying to 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:37.960 pay attention to it this last time, I watch it. 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.679 Every time the ocean saves her, she has done something 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:45.320 to try and save herself before the ocean does, right right, Yeah, 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.399 I mean I was worried about the ocean kind of 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:49.840 becoming a device to get her out of situate, but 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.439 it never really came to that. It was always I mean, 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.320 there were times where it came in as an assistant, 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.479 but you know, she she was always the one taking action. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.400 She does all the heavy lifting. Yeah, yeah, there's ah man. 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.200 It was so good, And I totally agree with the 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.879 Natalie that, like all the you know, displacements of the 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:13.240 basic Disney Princess tropes were I didn't feel shoehorned or 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.960 forced or like overdone, which they totally could have been. 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.359 And the fact that I feel like it's worth mentioning 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:25.440 that Moana's body type is like normal, It's like mildly realistic, 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:30.440 as close to proportional as probably a Princess style character 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.840 has ever been, which is really really cool. No like 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.800 two inch waste and and all this stuff. She seems 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:42.119 like strong, like physically strong and able, which need to 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.680 be and we see her like doing these like pretty 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.440 amazing feats of strength. Every time she'd pull a rope, 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.800 I'd be like, well, that is, I couldn't do that. 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:55.120 She's kind of like Aladdin in that way. She's from 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.240 the beginning of the movie. She is doing these feats 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:03.280 of strength in these of acrobatics, and she runs up 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:05.720 and fixes the pomp fronds in the building and stops 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.040 the leaking, and and then everything with the ship requires 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:13.159 so much physical strength. On the same topic of like 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.520 the bodies and stuff one of crime moment number one, 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.600 the first time I saw it was so the grandmother 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.760 was like just a beautiful character and the relationship is wonderful, 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.600 but the grandmother's arms like hit something inside of me 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:31.560 that I didn't know was there really, And it was like, 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.720 you know, even when they show uh different figures on TV, 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:42.080 it's often larger hips, a larger bust, even a larger waist, 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:44.679 but you know something like arms are still very skinny 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.800 and trim and like or like sleeved or sleeved or 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:52.080 and and to see this like woman's skin that is alive, 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:56.720 that is an old woman's body. That was like, oh 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.399 my god, those are my grandmother's arm show me that 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.960 decay baby, I was. I was actually going to bring 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:04.920 up the grandmother too, because that was the other big 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.200 thing that reminded me of Pocahontas, except the role of 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:12.320 the grandmother is a tree. But that tree is dope 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:16.840 and very helpful, like Moana's grandma. My mom. We had 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.160 like a tree that it was not a willow tree. 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.040 It looked nothing like the tree. But I was so 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.240 into Pocahontas as a kid that I think she like 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:25.800 brought a sharpie out to her tree and there was 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:28.160 like a little hole in it like grandmother Willa's face, 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.560 and she added a little smiley face with eyelashes and 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.159 then she'd be like Jamie, look, and I would just 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.280 go talk to the tree. It was maybe to get 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:38.480 rid of me for a while because I would just 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:42.280 go confess to the tree, that's amazing. Oh. The thing 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.480 I wanted to mention about her just being physically strong, 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:49.200 which that is oftentimes when movies want to like show 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:53.959 that a woman character is like not your typical lady 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:58.679 like the others, like stronger than normal or a trope 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:00.880 you see over and over again when just I don't 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:05.879 really understand is she's good at fixing cars, but like 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:09.960 nickan Fox and transforming and something I forgot to mention 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:14.120 in Um Runaway Bride, Julia Roberts knows how to fix 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:17.800 cars and that makes you more handy. But anyway, it 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:19.879 wasn't like, oh, what a stupid trope to rely on 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.480 in mo Wana, Like she lives on an island and 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:26.480 you know they're farming in harvesting crops, and like she 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:30.119 would have to be right. It's so justified and we 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:32.800 see her getting trained for it, so it like comes 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.120 from somewhere and it doesn't feel like one of those 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.280 lay mass like action movie tropes of like you know, 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:40.520 there's is great. I think it's a mixed Wheeney's piece 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.080 that I think about at least once a week about 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:46.280 like I'm the woman and I can kick and it's like, 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.720