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Speaker 1: to the Beck Deel Cast. My name is Jamie and

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Speaker 1: my name is Caitlyn. Did I forget? Did I just

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Speaker 1: what is my identity? That's fun? Well, isn't that just

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Speaker 1: then that's good. I was just trying to I don't

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Speaker 1: like that. So this is the Backdel Cast. This is

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Speaker 1: our podcast about how women are portrayed in movies and

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Speaker 1: how hey usually not very good. Another good suspense moment

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Speaker 1: by Yeah, Yeah, that's good. This is a spook suspenseful episode.

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Speaker 1: It's December about a Christmas movie. Spooking the scariest month

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Speaker 1: not fucking lie. Oh man, we're spending Christmas together. It's

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Speaker 1: just like we've spent Thanksgiving together. We're basically domestic partners.

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Speaker 1: and I mean they'll never hear this podcast, which just

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Speaker 1: about sums up how we're all doing. Okay, So this

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Speaker 1: is our our podcast about women and movies. We use

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Speaker 1: Does a movie do it? For some reason? Holiday movies

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Speaker 1: into that? We'll get there? Is that all our business

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Speaker 1: He's an artist, he's a nice guy. We love him.

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Speaker 1: It's Brandon bird High. Thanks for being here, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. It's December. For crying out loud, whiz, It's

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Speaker 1: actually here's here's a little peak behind the curtain. It's

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Speaker 1: actually November. November, so it's it might as well be December. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is one of those long Christmas seasons

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Speaker 1: extra long, lucky us. Yeah. Wait what are you? What

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Speaker 1: You know, I sell princes of my artwork online at

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Speaker 1: Brandon Bird dot com, the store dot Brandon bird dot com.

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Speaker 1: So this month is usually if things go really well,

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Speaker 1: it's just people ordering stuff and you're just constantly mailing things.

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Speaker 1: Very nice. Uh So we're here to talk about a

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Speaker 1: Christmas story now, Brandon, tell us your history with this movie,

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Speaker 1: your your relationship to tell us everything. Yeah, get into it. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: my relationship starts with my uncle Therb Therb. I think

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Speaker 1: his full name is sergeant Therber What WHOA? That was

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Speaker 1: spelled differently. Okay, So your uncle is not a sergeant,

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Speaker 1: but his name is sergeant. Sergeant. He goes his name president, like,

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Speaker 1: So if any, if any big wigs with three million

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Speaker 1: And again, maybe I'm just kind of forgetting about some

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Speaker 1: specific details, but I do like that you like see

423
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Speaker 1: a little boy crying and he's worried, and he's like, oh,

424
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: I got in a fight, and then his mom says

425
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: something like she's telling his dad what happened, and she's like,

426
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: you know how boys are, which sort of is a

427
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: different way of saying boys will be boys. But I

428
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: don't think that just trying to diffuse the situation, like

429
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: like you don't need to know the details, just it's

430
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: kind of over now. Yeah, I think because she was

431
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: kind of trying to like shield him from the dad's anger, right, Like,

432
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 1: it's very strange in the movie that dad is presented

433
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: like this very like angry force, but you never see

434
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: it directed at the kids, Like it's not like the

435
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: dad beat us sort of like but it's still it

436
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: feel it's like it's like this subtext that like the

437
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: kids know they could be the force of this anger,

438
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: and the mom knows because she tries to shield but

439
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 1: but it's never like this explicit like you're still allowed

440
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: to kind of like the dad, Which is why, Yeah,

441
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: I think this movie has the potential to kind of

442
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: be worse and more toxic than it is. But but

443
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: then I think that that like speaks a lot to

444
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: what the mom's role is in the movie, is like

445
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: she is sort of directing her very angry husband's attention

446
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: elsewhere a lot of the time, or you know, saying

447
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: you know, I agree with you, I agree with you,

448
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: but I'm going to be the one to carry out

449
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: the punishment because she's trying to protect her kids, which

450
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: I think with the you know, soap in the mouth

451
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: thing is that's kind of like emblematic of that. I

452
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: don't know, like the dad's soapen the mouth is so

453
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: weird because this is a tangent, but that, like the

454
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: prop soap looks so unlike any soap I've ever seen. Yeah,

455
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: I was just like, it's blood soap. It looks like

456
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: a chunk of like rounded plastic. Yeah. And I was like,

457
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: is that special punishment soap they had in right? This

458
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: is you know it did soap change. There's jailed blood

459
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: and the blood of children. Post war America. They're like

460
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: soaps white now war is over, no more fancy blood

461
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: red soap. I don't know. That's interesting to me because

462
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: I I remember one of the few things that did

463
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: carry with me from past viewings of this movie into

464
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: my most recent viewing is even though he doesn't explicit

465
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: do anything wrong, and intense dislike of the father character

466
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: because it does seem like he's just always being held

467
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: back from doing like it never seems like he's like

468
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: I would never do something awful. It's just like, well,

469
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: try to stop me before I do something awful, like

470
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: and that I mean, again not too psychologically, but like that.

471
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: I mean there's you know, everyone has an uncle that

472
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: sort of is maybe like that, a little bit of

473
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: just like, well, this isn't a good guy, but there's

474
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people around him who are trying to

475
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: make sure he's a good guy. Like and and that's

476
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: what the dead character always reminds me of. And it

477
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: just I don't know, yeah, it really bugs me that character.

478
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: There's another scene where you see little brother Randy crying

479
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: in a cupboard. Randy feminis on Randy, Randy is crying.

480
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: This is later on in the movie. Their mother like

481
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: opens the little cabinet door and she's like, why are

482
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: you crying? And he's like, cause, dad, he's gonna kill Ralfie, right.

483
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: She says, like if there's a loom. But back to

484
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: the point that I like, do you see like little

485
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: boys crying? It's never like stop crying and man up.

486
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: You don't really see that in this movie, which um

487
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of unusual and refreshing. Well, perhaps

488
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: let's let's give Jean Shepherd to a point. Maybe that

489
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: that is one of the pros of adapting an essay

490
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: about someone's actual life is you don't maybe get the

491
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: opportunities to know if it's from his actual it really

492
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: just sapricated liket to forty. Somewhere in there, the Wizard

493
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: of Oz exists. Jean Shepherd born. Yeah, so if this

494
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: happened to him he was like old, maybe that's a

495
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: screenplay adapt I mean, they just kind of fudge that's

496
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: it's like a little weird. It's like a writer not

497
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: being completely honest about everything. I didn't realize that there

498
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: was that date descripancy, but were meant we're led to

499
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: believe because Gean Shepard is the adult narrator that he

500
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: is old Ralphie. Can we also just talk about how

501
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: there is really this influx and then this movie is

502
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: not is by far not the worst of them of

503
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: movies about like white male childhood that is narrated in

504
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: a very egregious, lazy way, as opposed to setting up

505
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: a story that doesn't require voice over narrage. I just

506
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: bog like this movie started it like you wouldn't have

507
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: The Wonder Years without a Christmas story, which is fine

508
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: by me. I'm a hard pass on the one. I've

509
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: had multiple Chod boyfriends like ya, God, I want it's

510
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: Ben Savage is big brother. It's like, I can't what

511
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: air of reference there? Well, that's my favorite, but it's

512
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: Ben Savage's brother, whereas like generalread, Savage is fread exactly

513
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: wrong wrong these Corey from Boime's World brother like care

514
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: Care for Crime outline. Yeah there. I I hate movies

515
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: about childhood with voiceover narration, particularly fits about boys and that,

516
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: which I think I just hate. I mean, I hate

517
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: this hand lot, I hate it. I hate it. The

518
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: worst movie of all time. There's too many movies just

519
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: about white male childhood period without narration, late boyhood. Let's

520
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: let's stop making these. Oh god. But another thing I

521
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: did want to point out is that Ralphie's favorite radio

522
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: program is Little or Finnanny. Even at one point he

523
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: says something like I don't have time for smugglers and pirates.

524
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: Get this small larchy off radio. I do. Like he

525
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: was talking about Little Orphan. Yeah that was a show. Yeah,

526
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying that he likes a narrative about

527
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: a little girl, but not about He doesn't like the

528
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: pirate show. Little Franny is the pirate show? Wait? What

529
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: Little Orphany was all about pirates and spies? And because

530
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: the yeah, the comic and like the radio show. It

531
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: was like the story we're familiar with is all about

532
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: her transition from orphan to adoption. But the bulk of

533
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: like the comic and the radio show and all that

534
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: was all the adventures she and Daddy Warbucks then went

535
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: on because he's like a bazillionaire and he'll be like,

536
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: what's let's go to the jungle. Now, check out my

537
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: diamond mind. And then like somebody would kidnap little or

538
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: Fanny and and they'd have to get out of the

539
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: scrape and find Daddy Warbucks. So I haven't we seen

540
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: that movie at a bit? That's that's what it was like.

541
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: This like adventure. Okay, I used to see a movie

542
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: about domestic adjustment. Yeah, boring. I thought that it was

543
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: like the show about like is Annie gonna get adopted

544
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: or not? And he loved that, but he hated rates

545
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: and stuff. An adventure character who knew, well, that's even cooler. Yeah. Yeah,

546
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: I was just going to point out that, oh, how

547
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: how nice that his his favorite shows about this little girl,

548
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: which is like, you know, something that maybe little girls

549
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: might be more interested in listening to, whereas you know,

550
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: pirates and smugglers something a little boys. Okay, got it,

551
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: Well that's my point. My point is invalid then, but

552
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: I am fascinated to learn that that's what little or

553
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: Fanny was to look that up. Amazing. Uh. Something I

554
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 1: did want to also talk about is guns and masculinity

555
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: because this movie is about a little boy who is

556
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: desperate for agun and I researched some statistics about gun violence. So, um,

557
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: get ready for some exciting everyone ready, So episode a murder.

558
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: There is an article that I recommend in Time magazine

559
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: by Jill Stein. Okay, hang on me. I always say

560
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: that when people are talking about my mom, my mom's

561
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: name is Jill, it's like I was talking to Jill

562
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: like Stein. No, it's a Jill Philippo vic. I've probably

563
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: mispronounced Jill Um. She writes an article in Time magazine.

564
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: It is called one Undeniable factor in gun violence colon men.

565
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: So in the article, it cites some statistics that since

566
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six there have been a hundred thirty four

567
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: mass shootings. I believe that's confined to the US. I

568
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: don't think that's worldwide. Of those of those thirty four

569
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: mass shootings, one have been perpetrated by men, only three

570
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: by women. Of murderers are men. My point being men's

571
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: fascination with guns is maybe not good. You heard it

572
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: here first on the Bechtel cast. Maybe guns aren't great.

573
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: But she writes, if you were to extrapolate like the

574
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: events of the film, like the next day or the

575
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 1: weeks months, I always imagine that like Ralphie never used

576
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: his BB gun again, you know, like that was kind

577
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: of the impression that he got it. He used it,

578
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: and then it was not in any way, shape or

579
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: form like what he thought it would be. I hope

580
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: that that's the case. That was just kind of the

581
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: impression I got. Well, could we get the impression from

582
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: because like he doesn't he like you know, dings his

583
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: glasses and then he has to go inside, and then

584
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: like he leaves the gun out there, doesn't he has

585
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: to go back, right and he even says something like,

586
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: oh but my guns still out there, And she's like

587
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,479
Speaker 1: you can get cleaned up and go get it later.

588
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: And I don't think we ever see that happen because

589
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: instead they go at the Chinese restaurant. I think you

590
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: see him at the very end. I think he might

591
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: be sleeping with it. I think you're right, Yeah, we're

592
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: but it is for most of the movie we see

593
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: Ralphie and Randy. Neither of them are like agro children, right,

594
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: They're they're being bullied. They're not hyped children there, They're

595
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: regular kids. And so it is. And and basically all

596
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: the information we have about Ralphie would not lead you

597
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: to believe like, oh, this kid's gonna fucking be weirdly

598
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: into his toy gun, which leads me to believe that like, oh,

599
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: this must symbolize something too in his head of either

600
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: status or you know, like overcomings whatever adverse, like as

601
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: opposed to actually wanting it and thinking, oh, this is

602
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: a toy I will have fun times because they like

603
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: why it's important. It's just the thing he's obsessing about, right,

604
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: Like it's a symbol more than it is, like because

605
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: like a theme of the film is these very small

606
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: like a kind of losses of innocence or like things

607
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: that don't turn out how you think they're going to

608
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: turn out. And that's kind of how he took the

609
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: gun obsession. It was like he's really into this, and

610
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: then it's not really quite what he wants right after

611
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: after all the hullabaloo. Yeah, well you do see that

612
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: sort of vision that he has very early on, where

613
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: are these like bad guys come and he has his

614
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: gun and he's protecting his family. So it's this sort

615
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: of like oh, to be sent right. Yeah, So it's

616
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: sort of like perpetuating this idea where it's like, oh,

617
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm he's a man and he needs to be the

618
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: protector of his family and you know, exert this like

619
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: machismo over people, which like, I mean, I can't even

620
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: pretend like I understand all of the psychology behind people

621
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: who are obsessed with guns, and I'm I'm a guy,

622
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: I should love guns, And I don't get I mean, sorge,

623
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I've only got like four or five guns.

624
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: Were the one I keep in my car and then

625
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: a couple under my bed. I mean, you're I don't

626
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: think that's about the gunpoint for the duration of the episode.

627
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: But I don't I don't get that. I don't get

628
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: these other people who are like really super into guns. Yeah,

629
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: like you have to have one in both of your

630
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: hands at all times than that? Why? Why? Right? So

631
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to make is, Okay, first, I

632
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: want to say that I don't think all people who

633
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: own guns are bad. I do, I do, I do.

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00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: I do think that all guns should be thrown into

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00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 1: an active volcano and then we shouldn't have guns anymore.

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00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: That sounds like that would actually be pretty dangerous. I

637
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: think they'd like melt instant, Yeah, they would. I think

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00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: they wouldn't go off. I'd be concerned they go off.

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00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: I think maybe throwing them into like a pile of

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00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: fireworks might be dangerous, but a volcano volcano is generally

641
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: like in clothes used kind Yeah. I thought a lot

642
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: about this, and that's why I picked volcano. Jamie. Just

643
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: come over to my volcano and we can throw in

644
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: all the guns into that. I want to go to

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00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: a volcano. Okay. So the point that I want to

646
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: make is it's just peculiar to me that this whole

647
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: story is about this kid being obsessed with getting a

648
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: gun and whether or not he kind of abandons it

649
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: after the fact or not. We don't really know because

650
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: the story ends and we can only sort of speculate.

651
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: But the fact that this whole movie is about this

652
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: kid with getting a gun sends a message that like,

653
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: little boys like guns and guns or maybe something to

654
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: want for and and I think that helps create some

655
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: problems in society. Well, I think I think the reason

656
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: that I assumed that he just ended up not being

657
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: thrilled by the gun was like the little Orphananey scene

658
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: where he gets he's been super psyched about getting that

659
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: Dakota and then he gets it. He's like, this would

660
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: be so awesome. I'm totally in the club now I'm

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00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: gonna get these messages and he's just like a commercial. Sure,

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00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: I feel like that was like kind of foreshadowing, like

663
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: these these very small like losses of innocence to being like,

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00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: oh wait, this gun is kind of stupid, like right, okay,

665
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: but I feel like there's less of a definitive like

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00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: where when he doesn't, he doesn't end up having any

667
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: fun with it because he immediately immediately right, I mean,

668
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: he's trading about it because he got the thing he wanted.

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00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: His quest is fulfilled, even if the reality of it

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00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: doesn't match up. He's still and that's a lot of

671
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: holidays for kids. It's like, well, I got the thing

672
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: I kept screaming about. Now what how does it work?

673
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: Versus Randy, who didn't seem to have any Christmas preference.

674
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: I'm just totally fine with that. Zeppelin Randy, what an icon.

675
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: Love him. Also, be sure to drink your Oval Tea

676
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: in This podcast is sponsored by ovalte But I just okay,

677
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to stop talking about gun violence in a second,

678
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: but I have some important things to say. These are

679
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: quotes from the article The Reality of American Men and

680
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: Guns is as much about hyper masculine fettization, fetishization, fet

681
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: of murder toys as it is about tribal identity, a

682
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: deepening identification of self and clan that radicalizes marginal views

683
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: and magnifies personal entitlement and social distrust. This is a

684
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: communal masculine ideology, not an individual one. And then she

685
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: goes on to say about how I like, there's no

686
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: lone wolves. It's like hack mentality. So it's just talking

687
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: about hyper masculinity and toxic masculinity and how it perpetuates

688
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: this idea that guns are cool but they're not they

689
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: should be thrown in a volcano. The other quote I

690
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: wanted to say goes, almost half of the world's civilian

691
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: owned guns are in the hands of Americans, but those

692
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: guns are not distributed equally. Many are hoarded by super owners,

693
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: a group of mostly male extremists who make up just

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00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: three percent of the adult American population but own an

695
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: average of seventeen guns a piece. So you know, a

696
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: little more than what you have. And now Brennan has

697
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: led more guns out on the table so as to

698
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: demonstrate his dominance. Another sequel set in maybe like nineteen sixty, yeah,

699
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: the very early sixties, where Ralph is like a grizzled

700
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: gun nut, like preparing for like the race war that

701
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: everyone was afraid of it the sixties. The final vignette

702
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: as the story um. The quote goes on to say,

703
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: women are increasingly buying handguns for protection, and that seems

704
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: to be their actual motivation. They own a single gun

705
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: and they keep it in case of an emergency. One

706
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: suspects that the imagined assailant they are protecting themselves from

707
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: is a man. So there's that. Um. The only past

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00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: I would be willing to give this movie on this

709
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: particular subject, because I do think it's very it's not

710
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: a good precedent to have a little boy lusting after

711
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: a gun toy for the duration of a movie, but

712
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: at very least the gun toy in question was forty

713
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: years out of anyone desiring it by the time the

714
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: movie came out. Because I mean, like, if you think

715
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: if this was a if a Christmas story was made

716
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: in the context of its three and this kid really

717
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: wants this gun toy that you can go out and

718
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: get right now, like that, that somehow makes it a

719
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: billion times worse. I'm just trying. I remember at the

720
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: time the movie came out, like you could get like

721
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: the Sears catalog or whatever, and they would have like

722
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: BB guns and maybe other kinds of like sporting rifles,

723
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: like they're in the catalog there. Yeah, I mean that exists. Yeah.

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00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: I remember being a kid and you know, like my

725
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: older brother, my older brother's friends like being kind of excited,

726
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: Oh they're guns. Cool. But it was still this very abstractly.

727
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who like had a BB gun. No,

728
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: I never did. I I knew that they existed somewhere,

729
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: but exactly like by the time I like friends, I

730
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: knew in the neighborhood I had fake guns. They were

731
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: I mean, they did have them, and my mom was

732
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: very like hard on, like she were in a daycare

733
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: and if you had a fake gun, you couldn't bring

734
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: it to her daycare. But but they're like all the

735
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: ones that existed made laser noises. It was no longer

736
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: people people. They were like like I still remember before,

737
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: like you can still get like like a water gun

738
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: to look like a real gun. Before they did all

739
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: those laws like the orange tips. Yeah, because they're like

740
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: a couple shootings, like they made those laws because they're

741
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: like kids were killed because the cops were like good

742
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: and like um. But yeah, if I if I if

743
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: I were at ralph us Age and I asked for

744
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 1: a BB gun, I think my mom wouldn't They would

745
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: say no. But they wouldn't be because like you're still

746
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: you're out there just be like that's a really weird request.

747
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: It's like that was torturing animals. What's wrong with you? Ye? Yeah, yeah,

748
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: it'd be like this is I know, because it goes

749
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: against social norms because but but then I mean, even

750
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: so he loves after this gun, but does experience at

751
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: least a fairly large consequence of he does hurt himself,

752
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: but then he makes up a whole story. He's not

753
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: even willing to attribute it because he knows if he says, oh, yeah,

754
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: I shot myself in the eye's gonna get taken away.

755
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: So he has to fabricate this whole story about an

756
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: icicle hitting him in the face and breaking his glasses

757
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Winter is the real feeling of

758
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: hyper masculinity. It's winter, so I feel like he's trying

759
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: to protect his gun the way his mom has to

760
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: protect her kids from the wrath of their father. We're

761
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: going to add in this early sixties vignette. Yeah, yeah,

762
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: just like the Grizzled gun Nut Ralphie. It still goes

763
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: by Ralphie though still yes, is there a party going hap?

764
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you can hear some chatter in

765
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: the background in some music, we weren't invited, That is

766
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: all I know. Let's talk about the teacher a little bit.

767
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: Another person who, yeah, the one other female character with

768
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: pretty much any lines. She is also sort of depicted

769
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: as a shrew at the beginning um and then kind

770
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: of softens a little bit as the movie goes on.

771
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: But there is one point where Ralphie's having another vision

772
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: I like to call them. I think he's tripping on

773
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: acid this whole movie and he's having a hallucination. But

774
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: I think he has just gotten his paperback talking about

775
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: what he wants for Christmas, and she's given him a

776
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: C plus. So he envisions her as like this witch,

777
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: wicked witch type character. So he sees her as a

778
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: mean little bee and it's really, hey, maybe takes some

779
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: responsibility for your own writing. You earned with the plus,

780
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: not her fault. Seems very poorly written. So for just

781
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: judging by his voiceover, like, come on, you've gotta you've

782
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: gotta build on your ideas there, Ralphie, jeez, he becomes

783
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: a guy who writes a lot of short things for money.

784
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: You know what. That's that's evidence that Ralphie is not.

785
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: That's okay, okay, Yeah, he doesn't have he doesn't have

786
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: the touch. Does anyone have any other thoughts about the movie?

787
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: I would say, Scott parks feminist icon. I think that's

788
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: my last, my last major thought on this film. Let's

789
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: talk about whether or not the movie passes the spectral test.

790
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: I am going to argue as much as I don't

791
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: want to do. I think that it does. And one tiny,

792
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: tiny scene where students are filing in and giving miss Shields,

793
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: the teacher um little Christmas gifts. There's a name exchange,

794
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: is there not? One student puts something on her desk.

795
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: She says thank you Heather. Heather says Merry Christmas. The

796
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: teacher says, Merry Christmas. Rats, rats we know her name

797
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: were interesting. This movie passes better than Pirates of the

798
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: Caribbean The Curse of the Black Pearl does God damn It,

799
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: which is apparently inspired by Little or Finanny, because it's

800
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: about pirates damn it. I mean, it's like the Bear

801
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: Bear Bear minimum as we never see that Heather character. Again,

802
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: we don't see her speaking. She has no significance in

803
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: the story. Well and and so as we often I

804
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: would say, of the movies that passed the Backtel test

805
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: that we have covered on this podcast, at least of

806
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: them are a barely passed like this, like you know,

807
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: you get it on a technicality. It was almost definitely

808
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: an accident that this happened test because at no other

809
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: point in the movie does it even come close to passing.

810
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: In fact, it's mostly boys talking to each other or

811
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: boys talking to their mother. Ye, so well, I agree

812
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: with you. I was, I was this is this is

813
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: a weird experience where I was almost disappointed that it

814
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: has that. I was like, I guess they get it.

815
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't even notice it until my second viewing.

816
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: I was like, oh wait, hey, wait, there's two women talking.

817
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: I jotted it down in dismay m same. So let's

818
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: then rate the movie on our nipple scale, where we

819
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: write the movie based on its portrayal of women zero

820
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: to five nipples, and then you can describe the nipples

821
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: or give them away to anyone you want. A character

822
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: in the movie. Character, but I mean one of your

823
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: loved ones, if he's so comfortable today, So give one

824
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: to give one the sarge. Yeah, sargebis therpist yeah, therbist. Okay.

825
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give this movie a It's probably gonna

826
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: be like a one and a half. I do like

827
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: that the two main female characters, the mother and Miss

828
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: Shields the teacher, aren't as one dimensional as they kind

829
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: of grow. There's a little arc there. The mother seems

830
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: like a good mother and she's not just like this

831
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: one dimensional shrew that we are led to believe in

832
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: the first few scenes. But other than that, just the

833
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: idea that the movie is about a little boy desperately

834
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: wanting a gun and all of his little adventures that

835
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: he has with feminist icon Scott and then his friends

836
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: named Flick and Schwartz was like, if you don't name

837
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: your your kids Scutt, you're crazy. But it gets a

838
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: one and a half nipples, and the nipples belong to

839
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: the leg lamp, which may I think maybe have a

840
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: nipple or two or one and a half. I'll give

841
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: it one and a half as well, because I mean, obviously,

842
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: this movie is about white male childhood, or as it

843
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: was known in childhood. And it's weird because it's like,

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Speaker 1: this movie does not abuse that premise as much as

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Speaker 1: I assumed it did, except for that last scene in

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Speaker 1: the Chinese restaurant, which was very uncomfortable. Yes, I mean, well,

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Speaker 1: this is a white, white, white, white white movie. There

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Speaker 1: are a few students of color in his class, although

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Speaker 1: they get no lines, very little screen time, and it

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Speaker 1: is predominantly and extremely white. It's a white white All

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Speaker 1: that said, I do think that yeah, there there where.

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Speaker 1: I hate to reward a movie for not making its

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00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: female characters shrews by default and giving them character by default.

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Speaker 1: But the two female characters we do manage to see

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Speaker 1: in this movie, although they would never be permitted to

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00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: speak to or view each other, um, they do both

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Speaker 1: have more depth than you would assume, especially seeing through

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Speaker 1: the eyes of a little boy. So in that way,

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Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked them Mom character quite a bit,

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Speaker 1: and I feel for her. So I'll give one of

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Speaker 1: my nipples to Mom, and I'll give it half enough

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Speaker 1: to Scott. Great, Yeah, how about you, Brandon. I might

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Speaker 1: go a little higher, like maybe an even two nipples,

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Speaker 1: just because I feel like this is a weird thing

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Speaker 1: to say, but I feel like it gets some points

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Speaker 1: for I guess omission rather than like because a lot

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Speaker 1: of movies there are quote unquote classics from the same

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Speaker 1: period are like unwatchable now because you're just like, oh wait,

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Speaker 1: this movie is actually about some gross kid trying to

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Speaker 1: get late take again and take every opportunity to make

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00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: that joke over and over and over. Yeah, and and

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Speaker 1: this is sort of like, oh, they just that's just

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Speaker 1: not part of the content, right. I Mean, it'd be

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00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: great if they were like more actual characters, but there

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Speaker 1: also aren't you know, like girls as just objects of

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00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: like Ralphie and his friends either like derision or desire, right,

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Speaker 1: Like they're the female characters we do manage to see

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Speaker 1: are not being overtly abused over and over and over,

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00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: which is again, yeah, like the the omission thing. But

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Speaker 1: for a movie you're I mean, I think we were

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Speaker 1: all kind of bleainly surprised. There's a ton there's a

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Speaker 1: lot like the you know of that period, like kind

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Speaker 1: of like meatballs and like all those like yeah yeah things,

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Speaker 1: whether it's about like you know, let's have a scene

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Speaker 1: where the boys like find a playboy like that kind

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00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: of like and I hate to keep going into the

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00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: sand lot, but that movie is that all over where

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00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: they used the whole like oh well it is at

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Speaker 1: different times. So everyone was looking disgusting and with the

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Speaker 1: rape and kid like it was just like discuss like

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00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: awful that yeah, and then they were like you're a

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00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: girl because you're kind of displaying some signs of weakness

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Speaker 1: and like that's the worst insult Everdence movie does not

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Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't do it. No, there is a scene where

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Speaker 1: they like just a quick little scene where um, they're

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Speaker 1: all sitting down to dinner and Dad is like, got

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00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: up and get me this. I want seconds and she's

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00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: like okay, and then she's about to eat again, and

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Speaker 1: then Ralphie's like, actually, can I have some more too?

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Speaker 1: And then she has to put her fork down, get up,

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00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: and like the voiceover said something like, my mom hasn't

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00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: had a hot meal for herself in fifteen years. But

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Speaker 1: that's really all it does to acknowledge that, like they

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Speaker 1: don't have bad so that I was just like, poor mom. Well, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Thanks really need

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Speaker 1: to talk about my favorite movie. Where can we find

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00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: you on the world wide Web? Well, you can go

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Speaker 1: to Brandon Berg dot com just in time for the

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Speaker 1: holiday season to buy some prints, greeting cards, Christmas bobbles.

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Speaker 1: Well you got I didn't know you had, babbles, lots

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Speaker 1: of fun stuff. Hey. You can follow the Beachel cast

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook to pick up on that. I

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Speaker 1: was just pausing for for Suspend and signed up for

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Speaker 1: our Patreon where you can get two extra episodes a

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Speaker 1: dollars one a gift to yourself to yourself to your friend,

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Speaker 1: give yourself a gift, Give your friends, your mom, your dad,

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Speaker 1: anyone in your family. We don't care. We're starving, all right,

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Speaker 1: Well you can find us there, yes, indeed, And happy holiday,

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Speaker 1: Happy freaking holidays, everybody, all right, goodbye, bye,