Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and
Speaker 1: of course fun. This week is another monumental episode of
Speaker 1: Climbing in Heels as we welcome our second ever male guest,
Speaker 1: the TikTok Sensation Jake Shane. I met Jake a few
Speaker 1: months ago and we instantly connected his massive, massive success
Speaker 1: with both social media and his amazing podcast. Therarapus are
Speaker 1: clearly just the beginning of what will be a very
Speaker 1: long career in the entertainment industry. Without further ado, the adorable,
Speaker 1: hilarious Jake Shane. So, I'm very excited to have you,
Speaker 1: and I'm very excited to sort of hear all about
Speaker 1: you and how you became you because you're very young,
Speaker 1: and I weirdly think we have a lot of common interest.
Speaker 1: I know you love horoscopes and signs and the whole thing,
Speaker 1: which is one of my greatest obsessions.
Speaker 2: Oh good, So you'll be able to tell me about it,
Speaker 2: because I like, I'm like obsessed, but like I don't know,
Speaker 2: and like I it's like a bit that I don't
Speaker 2: know anything.
Speaker 3: Like on my latest podcast episode.
Speaker 2: I told someone they were with cancer and they were
Speaker 2: a Gemini.
Speaker 3: Like it was just embarrassing. What are you? I'm a scorpio.
Speaker 1: Scorpio, we shouldn't even be talking.
Speaker 3: What are you?
Speaker 1: I'm a Virgo?
Speaker 3: Wait? I love virgos? Is that not normal?
Speaker 1: No? It is. I think you guys love us. I
Speaker 1: think we struggle with you. But it's okay, okay, God
Speaker 1: I care for it. But I'm also here to I'm
Speaker 1: also here to say that, like I'm really down to
Speaker 1: like love a Scorpio like I'm because I feel like
Speaker 1: I can be changed, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: I can't be that judgy. But again, I'm a virgo,
Speaker 1: so we are really freaking judgy.
Speaker 2: Well it makes it better. My rising's Gemini and my
Speaker 2: moon is Gemini. So I come off as a Gemini
Speaker 2: a lot of the past.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's why I don't know that I click
Speaker 1: with a scorpio off the bat. You know, a hello,
Speaker 1: like we did?
Speaker 3: You know right? We said we clicked.
Speaker 1: We collicked at hello like it was a hug, and
Speaker 1: it was with Cade who we love.
Speaker 3: Yes, love love love.
Speaker 1: So I needed to understand. Okay, So born and raised where.
Speaker 2: I was born in La Okay, and then I'm so
Speaker 2: it's not totally new, no, But I moved when I
Speaker 2: was two years old to so now Okay Fair and
Speaker 2: then I kind of bopped around New York a little,
Speaker 2: and then where I really like settled was the suburbs
Speaker 2: Westchester when I was six years old to I think
Speaker 2: eleven years old for twelve, I want to say eleven
Speaker 2: or twelve, and then I moved to Washington Heights in
Speaker 2: New York City because it was like hard to be
Speaker 2: getting the suburbs. And then my mom was also like,
Speaker 2: get me the fuck out of here. He moved to
Speaker 2: Washington Heights and I lived in Washington Heights from seventh grade.
Speaker 2: So when I was twelve to like twenty, I went
Speaker 2: to college at USC, so I moved to Lakay.
Speaker 1: So you've really had in New York LA thing.
Speaker 2: But during COVID, like I was twenty, and I like
Speaker 2: was in Washington Heights at the time because everyone went
Speaker 2: home and I was like, I can't be here, and
Speaker 2: so I went back to my college apartment in LA
Speaker 2: and like that's kind of when I really consider like
Speaker 2: done because we sold our place there and my parents
Speaker 2: live now out here with me and like, oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: we all moved out here.
Speaker 1: That's so fun. So you're super close with your parents.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love them. They grab me, but I love them.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't. I live for my parents, but there's
Speaker 1: literally no one that can drive me more crazy than
Speaker 1: my parents. I think that's the job. I think it's
Speaker 1: like we're no.
Speaker 3: They know how to get like, they know how to
Speaker 3: like me, they know how to like poke like it's
Speaker 3: a trigger.
Speaker 1: That's where triggers came from. Your parents.
Speaker 2: Yes, I will say my mom has is never she's
Speaker 2: always excited about what I do. But she was just
Speaker 2: actually excited today because she always watched your show with
Speaker 2: me as a gim.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 1: That makes me so happy. So did you when you
Speaker 1: were a kid watching me? Were you like that bitch
Speaker 1: is crazy?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I actually didn't think you were crazy at all because
Speaker 2: my mom, Because I like, I based.
Speaker 1: Does your mom love fashion?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she loved fashion and she didn't think you were
Speaker 2: crazy like she loved you and like I didn't think
Speaker 2: you were like I kind of just based my opinion
Speaker 2: off what she thought, right, Okay, I was like, okay.
Speaker 1: Well my mom as good as a good son does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I never thought you were crazy. I
Speaker 2: thought the show was great reality television.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love that.
Speaker 2: I really like describe myself as like I was like
Speaker 2: a reality TV kid, Like that's what I was watching,
Speaker 2: and I was watching me one, I was watching MTV,
Speaker 2: I was watching Bravo, I was watching E Like.
Speaker 3: I was like very into reality television.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it surprises your doesn't, because I
Speaker 1: did a show. I have never seen another reality like
Speaker 1: I I could barely watch my show.
Speaker 3: To ever wear like housewives anything.
Speaker 2: I are you just so like I can't like it
Speaker 2: reminds you too much of like your experience that I
Speaker 2: think I know too much.
Speaker 1: But I'll be very honest with you. I've pretty much
Speaker 1: winged my entire life, if that makes sense, and I
Speaker 1: just kind of went with it. And I think when
Speaker 1: I started my show, everyone you know, when I was
Speaker 1: working on it, you know, I remember the head of
Speaker 1: Bravo was like, what are your favorite shows? And I
Speaker 1: was like, don't watch any. It was like when I
Speaker 1: wrote my books, what are your favorite books? Don't have any?
Speaker 1: So it was right. So I think it was just
Speaker 1: sort of like I'm just going to wing this. And
Speaker 1: then I think it was hard enough for me to
Speaker 1: do the show, so I think it was sort of
Speaker 1: like when I'm not doing this, I'm not also watching
Speaker 1: other shows. I also don't love to be influenced in
Speaker 1: that way too. It's a little bit like when I
Speaker 1: had my clothing line, I didn't really love to look
Speaker 1: at other people's because you don't want to even be
Speaker 1: subconsciously sort of I've swayed into something, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: So it like it's like an anxiety thing. I think
Speaker 3: it is. It's like it like makes me anxious.
Speaker 2: It's like I don't want to bioccidentally like copy something
Speaker 2: like subconsciously, and then yeah, it's an anxiety thing.
Speaker 3: I totally get that.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about that. So I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up. So I have really come
Speaker 1: to terms and I am very open about the fact that
Speaker 1: I feel that in a weird way, my anxiety has
Speaker 1: always been my superpower. I kind of really have. I
Speaker 1: don't really think I've ever considered my anxiety. I sort
Speaker 1: of make fun of myself about it, and I don't
Speaker 1: mean to belittle it. I don't mean to use it
Speaker 1: as a as like an adjective. I guess is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I think I consider myself to be
Speaker 1: like an anxious person, but I don't necessarily look at
Speaker 1: it as a negative. I've kind of always looked at
Speaker 1: it as it's a little bit of my fire, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of my motivator. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: of the thing that like wakes me up in the
Speaker 1: morning and wants me to be better at something. I
Speaker 1: think that's how I've always used it. But I know
Speaker 1: that you're very open about anxiety and mental health in general,
Speaker 1: so I want to talk to you about that. So
Speaker 1: have you been this way like your whole life where you.
Speaker 3: Yes, my entire my entire life, Well, like I'm.
Speaker 1: Are you open about it me too?
Speaker 2: So anxiety kind of comes with the territory. Is kind
Speaker 2: of what my parents always told.
Speaker 1: Me, which is why I never viewed as anxiety. I
Speaker 1: was like, this is just who we.
Speaker 3: Are, and I.
Speaker 2: I just remember like always being anxious as a kid.
Speaker 2: I have really about OCD, so that like my anxiety,
Speaker 2: I view it kind of like if I didn't have that,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be motivated. I wouldn't be like good at
Speaker 2: like like I don't know, like what I do exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't be good at like hosting or
Speaker 2: being passionate, like.
Speaker 1: It's part of your personality. It's it's like you're fast,
Speaker 1: you move, you think a lot, you overthink a lot.
Speaker 3: There's just no getting rid of it. So like what
Speaker 3: am I supposed to do?
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be like you know, I'm on
Speaker 2: meds and it'll subdue it, but there's no getting rid
Speaker 2: of it. So I'm not going to sit here and
Speaker 2: be like it's the worst thing in the world because
Speaker 2: it's here, so like I might as well.
Speaker 3: Just it's like, have you seen the movie Inside Out Too?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Not yet?
Speaker 1: Oh? Wait what now? What's the one out now?
Speaker 3: Inside Out Too?
Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, I haven't seen it. I've seen the first one. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the trips.
Speaker 2: They introduce anxiety, and like the interesting of the movie
Speaker 2: is like kind of about the regulation of emotions and
Speaker 2: how every emotion is needed in some capacity, and like
Speaker 2: anxiety is needed in some capacity, and like anxiety doesn't
Speaker 2: mean like it doesn't have ill intentions, it's just too
Speaker 2: much of it becomes a bad thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I agree, And I it's funny because I
Speaker 1: remember when I lived in New York, in my in
Speaker 1: my like heyday of the best years of my actual
Speaker 1: life pre children, and people used to be like, are
Speaker 1: you on drugs? And I'm like, no, not, like at
Speaker 1: that point, I wasn't even barely drinking caffeine, and I
Speaker 1: just it's like this excitement. It's like an excitement. But
Speaker 1: it also to your point, I think it's sort of
Speaker 1: like you are or you aren't, and you manage it
Speaker 1: or you don't. And it's how much you embrace it
Speaker 1: and cope with it and manage it. And I think,
Speaker 1: to your point, use it to help you use it
Speaker 1: as fuel, right, I think if you mentally look at
Speaker 1: it as fuel in many ways, then you can embrace
Speaker 1: it as a positive rather than something that you're scary
Speaker 1: and overwhelming.
Speaker 2: You know, you just need to know that once you
Speaker 2: know that, like what it's projecting isn't real, which isn't right.
Speaker 2: Very hard, it's not possible for me yet. Sorry, there's
Speaker 2: a garbage truck.
Speaker 3: A child.
Speaker 1: You are twenty four, You have so much more to
Speaker 1: cope with that, Like this is going to get easier
Speaker 1: for you in many ways.
Speaker 2: I've realized that like working out helps it, and yeah,
Speaker 2: doing something creative helps it, Like I'm kind of narcissistic,
Speaker 2: so talking about myself helps it.
Speaker 3: Like just being honest, Like, by the way.
Speaker 1: I always be honest. I love you more for that,
Speaker 1: and also that's how you became you to being honest.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I remember. When this all kind of happened,
Speaker 2: I was kind of like like, I'm just like I've
Speaker 2: once you accept the fact that, like, well, I don't know,
Speaker 2: not everyone's transparent, but I would consider myself to be
Speaker 2: a pretty transparent person. Like everyone, even if I'm not
Speaker 2: being transparent, can see right through me and I can
Speaker 2: see what I'm thinking.
Speaker 3: Once I accepted that, like life got so much easier.
Speaker 1: You know, you've obviously had so much success and at
Speaker 1: a very young age. I mean I feel like you
Speaker 1: probably just graduated like two years ago, right, yeah, two
Speaker 1: years ago. You're like like last month, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like do you have this massive success pretty quickly? Right
Speaker 1: for being yourself? And I mean, what is that? What
Speaker 1: does that feel like? And was it intentional? You know,
Speaker 1: because like did you come out of school and be
Speaker 1: like this is what I'm doing or did this just
Speaker 1: kind of like you're just rolling with it?
Speaker 2: I was I thought I was going to work in
Speaker 2: music for the rest of my life. I had I
Speaker 2: was an intern at a record label since I was
Speaker 2: a junior or the summer of COVID so end of
Speaker 2: my sophomore year, and I kept that and then I
Speaker 2: took a break my senior year because I had done
Speaker 2: it for a year, like my entire junior year, and
Speaker 2: they were like, okay, like finish college and come back
Speaker 2: and we can see if there's a full time position
Speaker 2: for you. And I like made this like octopus account
Speaker 2: in the meantime, just like to keep me busy. Like
Speaker 2: it was like funny, like it was just a joke.
Speaker 2: I was in college, my octopus.
Speaker 1: Like I have to understand that I used octopus as
Speaker 1: a like I'll be like, oh, he's like an octopus,
Speaker 1: like too much personal space, and like.
Speaker 2: It was like it was my boogie. It was my
Speaker 2: bougie snack, like I ate it. Like I would go
Speaker 2: out to like Draconi's West Hollywood and get like girl
Speaker 2: octopus and like.
Speaker 1: They have the best girl octopus there. I don't even
Speaker 1: like girl octopus.
Speaker 2: And there's then you need to get it from Angelini
Speaker 2: palists as well, because that one took over for me.
Speaker 3: At least in my mind, they have had a bite
Speaker 3: of that one.
Speaker 1: I know that's yeah, lemon, I want but I'll have
Speaker 1: a bite of someone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe we'll go and we'll order it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I would do that. I would absolutely share a
Speaker 1: girl doctopus with you.
Speaker 3: Yes, please, I would be honored.
Speaker 2: But I that I graduated, I was working full time
Speaker 2: at the record label. I was an assistant to this
Speaker 2: guy named Zach and he just like always like like
Speaker 2: when you have someone around you that like lets you
Speaker 2: be your full self, like you kind of unlock your
Speaker 2: full potential.
Speaker 3: So like he never judge.
Speaker 2: Me, like every joke I made, like even if I
Speaker 2: wasn't being intentionally funny, he thought was funny and like
Speaker 2: egged me on and encouraged it. It was just a
Speaker 2: really happy, happy time. I was probably like the happiest
Speaker 2: time of my life. Like I was like making tiktoks
Speaker 2: on the side, but I was like doing my job
Speaker 2: during the day, like it like didn't like it felt
Speaker 2: it was just like it felt like very like Okay,
Speaker 2: as long as my job is good, like we're good,
Speaker 2: I can make these tiktoks. But like nothing I didn't
Speaker 2: think anything of it, and he always made this joke
Speaker 2: kind of like if anything ever happens, I'll manage you.
Speaker 2: And then something did happen, like over the course of
Speaker 2: one week, and I like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It wasn't even like a question like well, are you
Speaker 3: going to do it?
Speaker 2: Like it just was kind of like we were kind
Speaker 2: of like we both knew like okay, like we both
Speaker 2: felt like, all right, well it's happening, like you're gonna
Speaker 2: you're gonna manage me now, and it was kind of
Speaker 2: like kis met and it was like the perfect person
Speaker 2: to meet at the perfect time, and like I couldn't
Speaker 2: imagine like doing it with like any other people around me.
Speaker 1: I love that, see, And you couldn't You couldn't have
Speaker 1: wouldn't have couldn't have ever planned that.
Speaker 2: No, it was it was just like I thought I
Speaker 2: had a plan, Like I was like, this is like,
Speaker 2: oh you like maybe I'll reach one hundred thousand followers
Speaker 2: by the end of the year, right, and then like
Speaker 2: a million in a week. And I was like, and
Speaker 2: Zach always believes in me, Like he's always like, you're
Speaker 2: gonna get to a million, Like you're He's like always
Speaker 2: like putting these like end goals for me, right, Well,
Speaker 2: that's not gonna happen, right, But he literally said, like,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get to a million by the end of
Speaker 2: the year, and I was like, Zach, that's not true.
Speaker 3: But he just let the best.
Speaker 1: That's so it's it's I mean, I think what I
Speaker 1: could try to tell you at twenty four is you
Speaker 1: sometimes just have to let life happen because as an
Speaker 1: anxious person, you're going to overthink it to the point
Speaker 1: of no return. And it's like, I think you're already
Speaker 1: seeing this success, and I think it's sort of like
Speaker 1: it's good for you to stay very real about it
Speaker 1: and be like that's not going to happen and keep
Speaker 1: yourself in check. But I think it's great to have
Speaker 1: people around you that are your like cheerleaders, that are
Speaker 1: there for the journey. And you know, I think it's great.
Speaker 1: It's I think that's fantastic. And by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: launching my TikTok soon and oh my god, I might
Speaker 1: need some mentoring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you need any help, TikTok is like my
Speaker 2: I would. I pride myself and being pretty good at it.
Speaker 1: So that's great. Because I pride myself and really sucking
Speaker 1: at it. I have not launched it.
Speaker 3: It's like a language. Once you learn it, you kind
Speaker 3: of like can get with it.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's really just like a language, Like it's
Speaker 2: like doing like du a lingo every day, like you
Speaker 2: kind of like have to do your TikTok. Like I
Speaker 2: did not get it at all. I remember like like
Speaker 2: watching like very confusing, very confusing. I remember watching like
Speaker 2: the Charlie Demilio's and everyone and being like, uh huh
Speaker 2: fuck are they editing these?
Speaker 3: How are they doing it?
Speaker 2: I don't want to just and I remember my best
Speaker 2: friend Brett and I were always like so confused.
Speaker 3: We're like, how do we do this?
Speaker 2: Once you get this, like it used to take us
Speaker 2: four hours out at one TikTok on don't you get
Speaker 2: this one pets done?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Yeah, I'm literally gonna need the one
Speaker 1: oh one tutoring of this because you know, people keep going,
Speaker 1: why aren't you on TikTok? I always hear your voice
Speaker 1: on TikTok, your things from your show on TikTok, and
Speaker 1: like it's like a whole new because I can instagram
Speaker 1: till you know, I'm purple, like it's that's that's my
Speaker 1: first language. But now to your point.
Speaker 3: I need another one.
Speaker 1: I do, I really do. Okay, So tell me about
Speaker 1: your pod because it has a cult following and I
Speaker 1: want to know how you got the name and like
Speaker 1: why and what the obsession with octopus in this bougie
Speaker 1: kind of life and I just I need I get
Speaker 1: you because I speak you. I get it, like I
Speaker 1: totally get it.
Speaker 2: Kind of became this thing like my friends always called
Speaker 2: octopus puss like it was just the thing. It was
Speaker 2: like it just was a thing, and that's like what
Speaker 2: I named the account.
Speaker 1: And then like does your mother love that it's called puss?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she thought it was. She thought it was funny,
Speaker 3: and she like she loved it. She's like my like
Speaker 3: I have two boys, I do it like yeah, like
Speaker 3: but she.
Speaker 2: It's just like everything kind of became play on puss.
Speaker 2: And it was like I had this Instagram story called
Speaker 2: tell me What's Wrong, and it would just I would
Speaker 2: give very blunt advice. So when I'm thinking about making
Speaker 2: a podcast, I was like, Okay, well I want to
Speaker 2: do that, and then we could do like therapy. And
Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, Therapust. Like it was very quick,
Speaker 2: like one two quick, and like it just kind of hot.
Speaker 2: I remember the room I was. I was in my
Speaker 2: old office, like I was. I was there because my
Speaker 2: now manager. I was just with him, and like I
Speaker 2: was sitting in like one of the rooms with like
Speaker 2: my old co workers, and I was like, oh, therapus,
Speaker 2: And that's kind of how it happened. And then it
Speaker 2: just kind of like I didn't really know what I
Speaker 2: was doing at first. I was so scared. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, like what is the point, Like I
Speaker 2: feel like I shouldn't be doing this. And then the
Speaker 2: pussies who are the people that follow me really just
Speaker 2: like showed up for me, and like my friend showed
Speaker 2: up for me. Everyone who I needed to show up
Speaker 2: for me really showed up for me. And so in return,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to show up tenfold and
Speaker 2: like I'm going to make this my entire personality.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of like how it kind of came
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 1: And you wake up excited every single day to do
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 2: Yes, I haven't been filming lately. I just filmed the
Speaker 2: season finale. We're ending the season next week. Forty two
Speaker 2: episodes and or we call them sessions because it's therapy.
Speaker 3: And then I'm going to take it on tour in
Speaker 3: October and yeah, that's a coat point.
Speaker 1: That's so much fun. Okay, what scares you? Like, what
Speaker 1: is your biggest challenge in this new life of yours?
Speaker 1: Because now it's been probably what like two years a
Speaker 1: year that you've really been at a year and a half,
Speaker 1: I mean really new, So you must have a lot
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 2: Know, looking like an idiot. That's always been like my
Speaker 2: number one fear, like look just embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a fear of yours.
Speaker 2: Weirdly it is, it's like I don't want to show
Speaker 2: like I don't want to show up, and like number one,
Speaker 2: have no one care?
Speaker 3: I think, like no one care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, you like look at him, like so
Speaker 2: what he's doing is so embarrassing, He's so embarrassing. I
Speaker 2: think it's just like I'm just so scared of being
Speaker 2: embarrassed at all times, and like, I think that's why
Speaker 2: I try to embarrass myself.
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of like a crux of comedy.
Speaker 2: Like you know, it's I'm going to embarrass myself before
Speaker 2: you can embarrass me, So I think that's.
Speaker 1: I'm going to break up with you before you break
Speaker 1: up with you.
Speaker 2: So it's like a lot of my humor is very
Speaker 2: self deprecating because I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, Like if
Speaker 2: you think you're gonna do this, like I'm going to
Speaker 2: do it, but like ten times, so you can't.
Speaker 3: Even say anything.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I actually think we're freakishly similar in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Well, it's funny because when I
Speaker 1: was growing in my career, I think when I was
Speaker 1: coming in my career, people would be like, what are
Speaker 1: you so afraid of? And I'm like, because it was
Speaker 1: never my intention to be in the public eye. I
Speaker 1: think I never had an expectation for people to show
Speaker 1: up for me. And I remember when I was younger
Speaker 1: and I used to have birthday parties every year. I
Speaker 1: was always like, nobody's going to come, Like, nobody's going
Speaker 1: to come. And if you ask my team, they would say,
Speaker 1: what's the thing that people don't know about Rachel? And
Speaker 1: they'd be like, they would tell you that she like
Speaker 1: she thinks no one's coming to anything that she ever
Speaker 1: does still today, So I so understand what you mean.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 1: And I remember when I was doing my show sort
Speaker 1: of like why does anyone want to watch this? Like
Speaker 1: why does it? You know what I mean? And that's
Speaker 1: a hard thing. And I think, I think for you,
Speaker 1: the greatest thing about TikTok is this so instant, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's so immediate, Like you're not like filming a
Speaker 1: movie that no one's showing up to watch.
Speaker 3: You know, it's less an ana curse because like gifted.
Speaker 1: To this like immediate feed of course.
Speaker 2: So like sometimes when things take time to grow as
Speaker 2: they do, like Zach will have to tell me, like
Speaker 2: you like like I remember, like for the podcast, he
Speaker 2: was so like you, nothing's goopen until maybe a year
Speaker 2: or two of you doing this, So just plan on
Speaker 2: you doing this for a year or two then it'll
Speaker 2: start to go. And I was just I was like,
Speaker 2: so that's not going to cut it in my book.
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, that's not going to happen, Like I'm
Speaker 2: going to full throttle this and like we're making I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Make it happen, right, But and look what happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so I'm so excited. I mean, I'm so
Speaker 2: excited to tour because that's like the number one reason why I.
Speaker 3: Did the podcast.
Speaker 2: It's like to have like a live show that I
Speaker 2: can like or like that that's going to be fun.
Speaker 1: Well that's interesting because I actually was thinking it was like,
Speaker 1: you're such this big personality and you're so obviously entertaining.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you have you ever in your life
Speaker 1: thought like I want to be live, Like I want
Speaker 1: to do stand up Like I actually I.
Speaker 2: Used to take stand up. I took stand up classes
Speaker 2: for a few months.
Speaker 1: When I was It's scary. That's like my worst fear.
Speaker 1: Like I can't even karayoke, that's like my actual worst namer.
Speaker 2: It is the scariest thing in the world. I do
Speaker 2: the Gotham you know, the Gotham Comedy Club in Chelsea.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: I was seventh grade, so that was fun and I
Speaker 2: remember being like, oh, I like this, but then like
Speaker 2: high school happened and I'm too embarrassed to do anything.
Speaker 3: Everything's fucking embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Everything you like lose yourself and just like the worst time,
Speaker 2: it's the worst. And so I'm happy that like I'm
Speaker 2: I've found this myself again and like I'm able to
Speaker 2: be like, no, this is what I want to do,
Speaker 2: and it really is just who you surround yourself with, honestly.
Speaker 1: It really is. I mean, Okay, so I know this
Speaker 1: seems like a logical question coming from me, but I'm curious,
Speaker 1: Like do you like fashion, like meaning like would you
Speaker 1: ever want to do anything in the world of fashion
Speaker 1: or is that like terrifying to you? In zero interest?
Speaker 2: Like that is like the epitome of like cool for me,
Speaker 2: So like yeah, like of course I would love to
Speaker 2: do anything in fashion, Like are you kidding? Like my
Speaker 2: mom like took me to a fashion show once when
Speaker 2: I was like eight years old. I were like one,
Speaker 2: do you remember it was? When's the Funny's lamb collection?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: I was probably there.
Speaker 2: I have a iould show you a photo of me.
Speaker 2: I was very little. I was like I was in
Speaker 2: a hoodie. It was ridiculous. But I love fashion. I
Speaker 2: used to pay like my mom loves fashion and I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not a very fashionable person, but I I love it.
Speaker 2: I think it's so cool. Like I went to like
Speaker 2: one fashion show last year. I went to the Tommy
Speaker 2: Hill figure show and it was like, oh yeah, experience
Speaker 2: in my life. He's the best, who's the sweetest human ever.
Speaker 3: It's awesome and like.
Speaker 1: My greatest mentor in my life, in my in.
Speaker 3: My career, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: He gave me my first big break when I was
Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty.
Speaker 3: Are you here? What were you doing?
Speaker 1: He gave me the biggest job of my life. I
Speaker 1: had just gone freelance. I'd been working for a magazine.
Speaker 1: I was your age. And he called me into his
Speaker 1: office because I knew his brother Andy, and I had
Speaker 1: been pulling Denham from his brother. He was doing like
Speaker 1: a j Lo Denham collection. His brother Andy and Tommy
Speaker 1: called me into his office and I was so nervous.
Speaker 1: I'd had no idea what was happening. And he basically
Speaker 1: gave me a two week massive ad campaign for his
Speaker 1: main collection, for the Younger collection. The first week was
Speaker 1: shot in Austin with like ten major celebrities, and the
Speaker 1: second week was out here in LA at the Griffith
Speaker 1: Observatory with like literally thirty male and female supermodels of
Speaker 1: the time. And I led the entire thing. And I
Speaker 1: looked at him like, why are you giving me this job?
Speaker 1: Like I can't. I don't know that I can do this,
Speaker 1: and he was like, yes, you can. I know you
Speaker 1: can and I didn't even know him. It was It
Speaker 1: was the most terrifying experience of my life. But I
Speaker 1: did it, and I had like four hundred panic attacks
Speaker 1: on the job, right, Like I did it and it got.
Speaker 3: You're ready, Yes, that's amazing. Yeah, but I yeah.
Speaker 1: So would you go back to fashion Week? Like I
Speaker 1: feel like you have to hit fashion Week?
Speaker 2: Yes, of course if I'm invited, of course I always.
Speaker 2: But I'm like so not inherently a fashionable person, but
Speaker 2: like that's why, that's why I want. I just I
Speaker 2: feel so hollywood to me, it feels so cool. It
Speaker 2: feels so like I don't know, I remember like I
Speaker 2: used to remember like love, like thinking it was the
Speaker 2: coolest thing in the world when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean yeah, of course, Like I would
Speaker 2: die to go back to fashion Week, Like it's.
Speaker 1: Something tells me you are going to have a lot
Speaker 1: of invites to fashion Week and you're going to take
Speaker 1: your mom as your day.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, my mom would die. She would die,
Speaker 3: you would die.
Speaker 2: She would just be like on her phone taking photos
Speaker 2: the whole time, like thinking it was the coolest thing
Speaker 2: in the world.
Speaker 1: That's my forecast for you. I feel like there's weeks
Speaker 1: and mom as your date. I just I see it.
Speaker 1: You were actually you were born in two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: ninety nine nine, Okay, so like two thousand, probably like
Speaker 1: two thousand to two thousand and probably five. Before I
Speaker 1: moved out to La it was twenty four to seven.
Speaker 1: Backstreet Brittany in Sync, Jessica Enrique literally like music videos,
Speaker 1: album covers.
Speaker 3: Touring, crazy as the time seemed.
Speaker 1: It was more than it seemed. It was the craziest.
Speaker 1: I would have like one hundred rocks of clothes, like
Speaker 1: for the guy, I mean Prada adult in this one,
Speaker 1: and I needed like I would have fifty racks because
Speaker 1: each guy needed like five changes and they needed Like
Speaker 1: it was the craziest. I'm pretty sure I didn't sleep
Speaker 1: for eleven years.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But it was fun and it was boot Camp
Speaker 1: and it was the best, and it was the music
Speaker 1: industry was, you know, at the height of pop culture.
Speaker 1: Just being that I was shooting covers of Rolling Stone,
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was really really really fun.
Speaker 1: It was really crazy and really fun and just you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I think about it now and people ask
Speaker 1: me about it, and I remember it like in real time,
Speaker 1: like right, that happened.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I was in Monaco with Britney Spears when she ripped
Speaker 1: her skirt because it was too long and just tore it.
Speaker 1: And then I ripped her t shirt because she wanted
Speaker 1: it cropped.
Speaker 3: You know that kind of thing you would do stuff
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: I would put her in cature and then she would
Speaker 1: literally like go into the dressing room, come out and
Speaker 1: like it was cropped, and I was like, that's sure.
Speaker 1: I just I think, yeah, I did. I died, Like
Speaker 1: I literally died. I've died one hundred and twenty deaths.
Speaker 3: In yeahh right.
Speaker 1: For sure. Okay, So tell me hopes and dreams beyond today,
Speaker 1: Like what in your mind is like the next or
Speaker 1: do you just try to live present? But knowing you
Speaker 1: for the last hour, I'm thinking you don't live in
Speaker 1: the present and you're constantly thinking about the next thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never lived in the present, so I'm
Speaker 1: working on that still.
Speaker 3: Ever, it's just who I am.
Speaker 2: I try, but it's like I really want to get
Speaker 2: into acting.
Speaker 3: That's like a dream of mine, and I want to.
Speaker 2: Kind of turn therapist into like late night for gen Z.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's no late Night for gen Z.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's kind of like, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know people like my parents that watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like I want I think late night
Speaker 2: is such a cool concept. It's so American, and it's
Speaker 2: so it's been around forever, Like I would hate to
Speaker 2: see it go away, So like I would love I
Speaker 2: would love to like kind of like turn therapist into
Speaker 2: a late night virgin.
Speaker 1: Like the new James Corden kind of like but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: not the day's old. But you know what I mean. Yes,
Speaker 1: But I have a question, So does then that live
Speaker 1: on television or does in your mind? Would that live
Speaker 1: on television or in some kind.
Speaker 2: Of other I think I would it would live on
Speaker 2: streamers in a live sense, so it would bet I
Speaker 2: would like understand time the week and then you could
Speaker 2: watch it after as well.
Speaker 1: Genius, I love it, I'd watch it.
Speaker 3: That's my idea.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's manifest that.
Speaker 3: I know I'm trying. I'm really trying to manifest.
Speaker 2: Like my ideal dream would be like Netflix Live three
Speaker 2: times a week, late night musical guest talent fits Jake
Speaker 2: Shane Late Night Live.
Speaker 1: I see this for you. I see this for you.
Speaker 1: Not only do I see it for you, but I
Speaker 1: actually see you like as the next Like Dave Letterman,
Speaker 1: You're going to be doing it until you're eighty.
Speaker 3: Oh like I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: That's the thing is, like I never want to snap
Speaker 2: entertaining like I always just like I'll always want to.
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like work. Ever.
Speaker 1: We like to do this with all of our guests.
Speaker 1: Rachel's going to give you a little rapid round of
Speaker 1: question and then I'm gonna let you go. And it
Speaker 1: doesn't break. It doesn't. You don't have to answer in
Speaker 1: like one word or anything. You can elaborate if you
Speaker 1: need to, you can do it. It's just get to
Speaker 1: know you a little bit. I obviously already know the
Speaker 1: first answer Instagram or TikTok.
Speaker 3: You know it depends on the day.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. Day one star sign you would never
Speaker 1: or date a Leo fair a scorpio, and a Leo
Speaker 1: would like implode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: The food item you can't live without, which I think
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: It's octopus, but it's also white rice.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, Okay, that's fair. I don't think my son
Speaker 1: could live without very rays, Netflix and chill or dance on.
Speaker 3: Tables, Dance on tables.
Speaker 1: I knew that I tout in my mind. I answered
Speaker 1: the question and ask myself if you were arrested, what
Speaker 1: would it be.
Speaker 2: For god, Like, if it was two years ago, would
Speaker 2: probably be like doing something drunk and stupid in college.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 2: Probably like like drunken disorderly, Like I don't like, That's
Speaker 2: what I would imagine.
Speaker 1: Okay, favorite beauty product I use.
Speaker 2: Like Line's lip mask I like yeah, And I like
Speaker 2: like my road face wash yeah good, yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: And I like my drunk Elephant Bronzer.
Speaker 1: So good, so good. I love that one. Okay, who's your.
Speaker 3: Here, Taylor Swift? I'm not even watching here?
Speaker 1: Everyone's fucking hero? Okay, favorite TikToker, Favorite TikToker.
Speaker 2: It's a good question, trying to think of who I
Speaker 2: who I religiously watch. My favorite TikToker is probably my
Speaker 2: best friends. I like watching what they have to pose,
Speaker 2: like Brad Cuie all that.
Speaker 1: Because you're invested in it too. Okay, New York or
Speaker 1: La La favorite TV show.
Speaker 3: Of all time?
Speaker 1: Uh huh?
Speaker 3: Girls on HBO.
Speaker 1: Okay nineteen eighty nine or Torture Poets Department nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're the cutest. I endore you, Jake.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy we met.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy.
Speaker 1: This was so fun, so much fun. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to be your best friend, and I can't wait taking out.
Speaker 1: And I'm terrified to launch TikTok. So you're going to
Speaker 1: have to help make it.
Speaker 3: Don't don't be I will help you. That is a.
Speaker 1: Whole new world, and you know us people with anxiety.
Speaker 1: That is hard, very changes, that is hard. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm sending you I most love to have a beautiful week.
Speaker 1: I hope I see you soon.
Speaker 3: Yes, I will see you soon. Thank you for having
Speaker 3: me so.
Speaker 1: Hi to your mom.
Speaker 3: I will, I will, I will.
Speaker 2: I hope you have a wonderful brap autumn you too,
Speaker 2: YouTube will make sure of it.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Jake for being on the pod.
Speaker 1: You are such a star at such a young age,
Speaker 1: and I honestly love the most your humor and transparency.
Speaker 1: I just laughed this entire episode. We had so much fun,
Speaker 1: and you know, he taught me a lot. I feel
Speaker 1: like I am ready to embrace the very scary world
Speaker 1: of TikTok, and I'm hoping that Jake will be my
Speaker 1: new friend and hold my hand through it, because it
Speaker 1: will be a whole new world for me. So thank
Speaker 1: you so much to everyone for listening to Climbing and Heels.
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