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Speaker 1: edition of the Giant Subtle Podcast. John Smoke with you.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest executive director of the Reese's Senior Bowl, Jim Naggy.

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Speaker 1: let's get to our guest. He is Jim Nagy, the

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Speaker 1: executive director of the Reese's Senior Bowl. And Jim, let's

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Speaker 1: start right here. We know how important the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: is to this draft process, and it's such a big

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Speaker 1: event every year. But do you sense that this year's

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Speaker 1: event is even bigger and even more important given the

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Speaker 1: recent announcement that the NFL combine is not going to

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Speaker 1: be what it's been in the past. Uh. Yeah, First,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me back on, but yeah it is. Um.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be sitting in this chair if I didn't

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Speaker 1: truly believe in the value of our game every year,

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Speaker 1: like you said, Um, but yeah, with this year, with

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Speaker 1: the combine being canceled, and this might be all these

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Speaker 1: So most of those guys, um travel with the team

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be really safe interviews. We we bought uh

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Speaker 1: and the guys are gonna be distanced and mass and

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Speaker 1: all that good stuff. But still, I don't think you

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Speaker 1: So no, this is uh, we're excited about it, and

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Speaker 1: I think all the agents know that, um what this

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Speaker 1: it's got a tremendous value this year. So what were

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Speaker 1: the challenges that you and your staff? And by the way,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot for being with us again this year.

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Speaker 1: You joined us every year and we really appreciate It's great. Um,

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Speaker 1: the challenges that your staff face this year scouting for

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Speaker 1: challenges all these NFL teams are going to have scouting

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Speaker 1: for their draft picks this year. How long is this call?

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Speaker 1: First of all, challenges of putting on senior ball during

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Speaker 1: You know, we got on this year's class last February,

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Speaker 1: So the buying factor has been great, especially last year,

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Speaker 1: Jim Naggy. All Right, one of the best parts of

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