1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:01,800 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 2: Music is like a magic thing. I think can do that. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: It might I may be talking about you know how 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: some people will just take a drug over and over 5 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 2: because they're certain of any day now it's don't know 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: they're going to not need it anymore, because it's they 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: saw it, you know. I guess I like keep hoping 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 2: to get it whatever it is, whatever it is, to 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 2: get with it. I don't want to get with it. 10 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: I'm Buzz's Night, your host for the Taking a Walk podcast, 11 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: the podcast where I talk to musicians about the inside 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: stories of their creative process, their latest projects, and stories 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: of the road Today. My guess is a true artist 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: and a troubadour at heart. Todd Snyder. Todd has an 15 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: amazing career as a singer songwriter whose music spans folk, rock, blues, 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: also with a little bit of alt, country and funk. 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: He's currently going on a retrospective journey spanning three decades, 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: unveiling his complete discography included with new recollections, all for 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: free for his fans. Talking to Todd Snyder right now, 20 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: I'm taking a Walk. Todd Snyder, thanks for being on 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. It's an honor to be with you. 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me. 23 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: So you're unveiling your complete discography and its acoustic glory 24 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: recorded at the Purple Building, and each release features these 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: re recorded versions and personal reflections and it's fruble e free. 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: Tell me what motivated you to do this for your 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: loyal diehard fans. 28 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: Mostly I think that I want kids. It was like, 29 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: I guess legacy is that the word like when of 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: them gone? I wanted to make sure that those were 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: someplace people could hear them. They were like to me, 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: they're my favorite versions of the songs. Even though it's 33 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: like because I can do what I'd do on these records, 34 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: I got to learn music, play around with different kinds 35 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: of music, go through fads, mostly because I could stand 36 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: up by myself and tell people how time I made 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: up a song and play it, and then record companies 38 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: be like, if you want, I'm a drummer, you can. 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: I didn't have to. I just wanted to. I wanted 40 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: to learn music. But like I said, just naturally, I 41 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: feel like I came out of my mom doing that 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: thing where I liked that these were by myself and 43 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: I make up a song and I explain it and 44 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: then I play it. I can get fed that way. 45 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: And really it's been enjoyment first. That has been your 46 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: motivation and then everything else coming second. 47 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mostly wanted to drop out of when I 48 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: was young. My plan was to be at like one 49 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: of the Dead Hitden, Like there's a group of kids 50 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: at that time that were just dropping out and being bums. 51 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: And then I found guitar and busking, and then that 52 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: turned in to a way of life. I found round 53 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: with Jack Elliott. It feels like if you're honest, if 54 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: you make up honest songs, you can pretty much bullshit 55 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: the rest of the time. 56 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: Tell me what inspired you first to make music? And 57 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: when that was so, you said, literally out of the womb, 58 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: you said. 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, But really I left home when I 60 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: was fifteen and became My friend said I was a gypsy. 61 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: And then I saw Jerry Jeff Walker playing and I 62 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: felt like I was his son. I felt like I 63 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: was living when he was singing about He was playing 64 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: by himself and singing linear songs, and I just thought, 65 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: That's what I'm supposed to do. I felt like the 66 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: way I was living my life at the time, if 67 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: I had a guitar where I can make up songs 68 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: about whoever was giving me a ride or let me 69 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: stay or whatever. I just thought I would be a 70 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: way better traveler or whatever. You know. Then I got 71 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: bit by the notion of wanting to make an own. 72 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: This guy Key Sykes, who told me he said I 73 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: was good. He is really good friends with John. He 74 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: writes with John running guy. My dad found his address 75 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: at the bar. Someone at the bar had his editors. 76 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: He helped me and got me a record deal and 77 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: showed me that if I got a record deal, I 78 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: could go around the world. 79 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: Do you remember the first song you wrote and what 80 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: it was about? 81 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: I do? That was I called bus Tubs stew and 82 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: I was a bus boy because again I had I 83 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 2: had just seen this Gary jeffs like I got just 84 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: things about his life. And so I made up a 85 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: song I was a bus boy. It's a place called 86 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: Peppers at the Falls, and I made up a song 87 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,119 Speaker 2: about how if people didn't finish their meal, I would 88 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: eat it, you know. And when I got up on 89 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: the stage and fight and won, like I think I'm supposed. 90 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: To be doing this, that cemented it. 91 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I made up a couple more went 92 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: open mics, and I made up, and then I just 93 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: made up like fourteen total and started playing right away. 94 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: I started playing nineteen when I only had one job before, 95 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: it was a busboy. 96 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: Was that your plan b being a bus boy? 97 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: Uh huh, Well that's part of why I felt like 98 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: it was. I didn't have anything to fall back on 99 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: or anything to blow or my parents weren't going to 100 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: be ashamed or anything else. Just it was it was 101 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: going to be a bus boy. So why not pour 102 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: your heart out for a living? It's kind of neat. 103 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 2: It's an easy grift. Just you say how you feel, 104 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: don't bullshit about it, and sing with the pleasure chords 105 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: and you can get a ride in you or you know, 106 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: you end up in the bus. 107 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: Tell me about I mean, we could do just a 108 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: whole podcast just done the impact of Jerry Jeff on 109 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: you and John Pryna on you. But tell me how 110 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: special they were to know them. 111 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: They were close friends. And when I saw Jerry Jeff, 112 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: I went to the record store in San Marcus and 113 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: started getting all the records and the guy there, so 114 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: you have to try John Prime too. Then I went 115 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: and got all his things, obsessed on him, saw him 116 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: in Austin, and then he was friends with Keith Sykes, 117 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 2: and so I went down there and I was studying 118 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: under Keith. He had just taken me in. I found 119 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: out later that this is what we do. Some true 120 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: door knocks on my door off the levement. So when 121 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: John made the Missing Years, I was getting cigarettes and 122 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: everything for everybody, and I knew all his songs. I 123 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: could beat him in the tribute contest about himself. He 124 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: must have loved that we were close, although it was 125 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: more fathers son. I never got jocular with him. I 126 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: was always really respectful, like we weren't punching the shoulder buddies. 127 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: He would have done be hard on me sometimes, but 128 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: he would also tell me that he loved me. 129 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: Who was arder on you? Jerry Jeff or John Jerry Jeff. 130 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 2: I had one time I gave I think thirteen songs 131 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: that have just written to John and he said, man, 132 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: you got a great that's a great song you got 133 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: in there, and that was that was kind of the worst. 134 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: But once he said that, that opened the door for 135 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: him to show me what he meant by that, and 136 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: I got to study songs under him. He got them. 137 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: But Jerry Jeff and I bonded on music and asco 138 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: rep scaliation or after the show up title, and so 139 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: sometimes we'd get into argument. If we couldn't find someone 140 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: else to argue with, we'd argue with each other. I 141 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: stole his car. I mean we had some ship. One 142 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: time me and him were arguing. He drove right passed 143 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: his gig and we ended up in a different towns. 144 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: He's the freest person I know, or he was. You know, 145 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: we liked each other because we didn't have neither of us. 146 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: Will watch either of you, I'm sorry, like wore a 147 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: watch or cared about being in someplace a certain time. Yeah. 148 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: How many fistfights did you get into with Jerry Jeff? 149 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: None? 150 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: None, just yelling a few times. I like Blue one 151 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: of my own shows. He really Shaver hit me. Yeah, 152 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 3: he had stacked all these bills on the kitchen table 153 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: on me. We didn't know we'd messed. 154 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: Them up, but he walked in and just right with 155 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: his bald up face right in my mouth, and then 156 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 2: he hit any too. 157 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: You can't make this up. 158 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 2: Huh mm hmmm. I miss him. He was also a 159 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: loud person, Billy Joe Shaver, Yeah, adventurous, person shot Hello. 160 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: That's tough. 161 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: Loss is such a terrible part of life, and obviously 162 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: with John's loss and Jerry Jeff's and then most recently 163 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: the loss of another friend who I know you spoke 164 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: with all the time, Richard Lewis. Tell me what Richard 165 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: meant to you. 166 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: I was closer to Richard really than any of them 167 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 2: because he we don't He and I mostly stay to ourselves, 168 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 2: and we get on and off the phone multiple times. 169 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: We talked a lot every day. And then I knew 170 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: he was getting I mean, he didn't die of what 171 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 2: he would say, each had a heart attack, but he 172 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 2: was tired from fighting. He've had a really bad couple 173 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: of years with his health. Like I called him about everything, 174 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: and that's kind of the last guy, you know, the 175 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: last mentor I think I'm fifty seven, so it's my 176 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: turn to ask. There's this kid named Josh morning Star. 177 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 2: It's really good. It just was broped me this morning. 178 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: You know, he's going through some issues and stuff and 179 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: he called me and I'm I guess it's my turn 180 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: to listen. 181 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: And how did you first meet Richard? 182 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 2: He wrote me a letter on the computer, just out 183 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: of the blue. It was, Oh, I know what it 184 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 2: was too. He had a group of this adorable and 185 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: this is him to his wife Joyce and him you know, 186 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: well she's still interacted me. But he had a group 187 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: of about four guys he talked to every day all 188 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: the time, and like two of them died and he's 189 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: really neurotic. He couldn't deal with that. He had his 190 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: four people, and his wife said you got to you 191 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: have to replace them, and he sat around thinking about 192 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: and he wrote me a letter. I was like, I 193 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: literally like I kind of looking for someone to talk 194 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: to every day. I had this little group. My wife 195 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: says I should replace the guys that were in it. 196 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: He knew all my albums and stuff, and I knew 197 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: everything about him. And I had this story I tell 198 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: called about taking mushrooms and I got home from two 199 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 2: of them. He had left it on my machine, like 200 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: he told it on my machine and that was the 201 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: biggest compliment. But he uh, he'd like, who I've talked 202 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:06,599 Speaker 2: about rurals and stuff anything anything. Yeah, Yeah, Like I 203 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 2: had to say, I had a lady break into my 204 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 2: house and he has that kind stuff all with him. 205 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: Just the oddities of life, right, Yeah, tell me about 206 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: your songwriting process, how it works, How do you turn 207 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: an idea into a finished song? 208 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I'm enjoying this, thank you me too. 209 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: When I started, it was like this healing thing like 210 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: I was. I think it was angry at like my 211 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: parents are going through divorce, and I sang about it, 212 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: and it's like mancho almost of course you really repeating something, 213 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: it's a good So I learned to use it as 214 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: a tool like that to get moved past things. And 215 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 2: then that so if it felt like it helped, I 216 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: thought it was done, and then it became this thing 217 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: I could use at work. Then there's another thing like 218 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: which ones go to work, which wants to show up 219 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: for a walk, And those are like harder, like to 220 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: know if a song is going to move other people. 221 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 2: It's hard trying to. I try not just play songs 222 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: that I don't think other people relate to, because I 223 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 2: make up some that I know are too singular or whatever. Well, 224 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: let's see there's some that I just It takes a 225 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: long time and then one day it's that's a that's 226 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,599 Speaker 2: a good question. It takes a while and minute it 227 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: feels like at some point I know that it's done. 228 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: I wonder how other people do. There's this guy named 229 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: Kent Finley who showed me how to do it, like 230 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 2: meter and everything, but trying to say exactly what you're 231 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: trying to say and be concise about it and turn 232 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: as the readiest to take the poetry out and ask 233 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: yourself while you're really saying this, and you know, make 234 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: and just make sure there's a it has either's a 235 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: rock that there's something in it. For me, it's like 236 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: even dB Cooper, it's just a story about the guy 237 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 2: that jumped out of the plane that I don't know, 238 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: but there's a part in there where I talk about 239 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: how my dad and I disagree on what we hope 240 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 2: happens to him. And for me, that's the rock I 241 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: put my foot on when I sing that song. And 242 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: if I don't have something like that in there, why 243 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: am I telling people about dB Cooper. It doesn't move 244 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: me until I get to the part where I realized 245 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: me and my father's starting to see things differently, and 246 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 2: that's what BB Cooper And so I always want there 247 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: to be something like that in there somewhere, or if 248 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: there's not, it feels like a year after I start 249 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 2: playing it. It feels heavy, it feels like it goes 250 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 2: on a very long time. I've got songs that are 251 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: about girls. I don't really know that, Like on my 252 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: first or second I got a couple of REP songs. 253 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 2: There's a song called turn it Up. Just made it 254 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: up out of there. I don't know who those people 255 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: are or what they're talking about. Just mort I said, 256 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: because I had a riff and that song feels like 257 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: it goes on for hours. Play. 258 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: But you eventually tire of some of your songs, don't you? 259 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 2: Uh huh most Yeah, some of them? 260 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And why are you so tough on yourself in 261 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: that regard that you tire of them and kind of 262 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: just dig aggravated at him? 263 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I I don't think that might just be yeah, 264 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. I wish I could stop it because 265 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: some people are like that these are my kids, and 266 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: I'm like my kids. Some of them really love me. 267 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: In fact, there's thing that's coming out that's out I 268 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: think more of them. There's songs where I'll play and 269 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: I'll talk about why I don't like that. No, I'll 270 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: play which I was glad to get the chance to 271 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: go on record like that. 272 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: It gets it off your chest, right. 273 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a song called positively Negative. That's just this 274 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: thing I felt for about ten minutes enough to get 275 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: the song, you know, and then by the time the 276 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: song came out that wasn't mad about that. 277 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: But you blend so brilliantly social commentary and humor. How 278 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: do you sort of balanced that or do you thank you? 279 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: I think that tried to. Like, I don't feel like 280 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: anyone knows, Like when it comes to politics, the reason 281 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: why we argue about these things because we don't know 282 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: for sure what to do. There's like two really basic people, 283 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: Like it's science. There's like a certain person who's sort 284 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: of moving forward or thinks tomorrow is gonna be great. 285 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: There's another person that thinks yesterday was great, and we 286 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: get separated on that, like and so for Democrats, they 287 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: market we other people what they call blue wall or whatever. 288 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: And then there's people that think yesterday was the vator 289 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: in general, and they get I think it's like you, 290 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's your choice to those 291 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: sides you lean on or whatever. So like politics, I 292 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: don't take that seriously. It's like a form of entertainment 293 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: or a racket. Like it's a low grow form of 294 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: entertainment and it doesn't pay as much as it should 295 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: for as much as their lives as they have to 296 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: give to this act or whatever. I feel sampled because 297 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: they're punching bag the politician is like anyoney, we were 298 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: going to off set politicians or bullshit line pieces of shit, 299 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: that's the way to stop an argument. They're all pieces 300 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: of shit, and it's just a racket, and so I 301 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: don't take it seriously. I look at them all like 302 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: their wrestlers, and I hope their kids get that they're 303 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: pro wrestlers. Sometimes they fix potholes every once in a while, 304 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: or sometimes they fuck things up, but don't really do 305 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: a ton up, they're say in Washington, And so when 306 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: I thing i've been all day, I don't feel like 307 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: I don't get angry about it, Like Trump doesn't make 308 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 2: me angry. Things amusing I am. I'm the Democrats. I 309 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 2: don't want him to be the president. I didn't like 310 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 2: it when he was before, but just because because I 311 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: think tomorrow is gonna be terrific, and they got me. 312 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: I love about doing hippie what just reels it could be. 313 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: I'm just that and I can admit it. I don't 314 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: even care, you know, yeah, like half the time, if 315 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: it's a protest and there's a good band, you know, 316 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: tell me I'm coming the tip shit. 317 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: But you are the unofficial mayor of East Nashville. So 318 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: if you were handed the keys to making decisions as 319 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: a political leader, what would your motto be? 320 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: Oh, that's the whole type for our side. I love 321 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 2: what's happened on the east side of town, I feel like, 322 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: because that's like Billy String, Sierra Ferrel. I think jelly 323 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: Roll even live over on our side of town. Now, hm, 324 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 2: let's see, because it feels like those cats on the 325 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: mainstream people there they don't know. I mean, I'm just 326 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: watching as a fan. I'm part of it. I think 327 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 2: maybe I'll get a song cut sometimes. But it feels 328 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 2: like that's the thing on Sixteenth Avenue where they have 329 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: the system that's worked for over forever and over and 330 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: never it got rathered by a few guys that didn't 331 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: go through it, I think, and then they're cuge. It's like, broadly, 332 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think some of the big stars 333 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 2: don't have any friends on sixteenth Avenue and that so 334 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: they're kind of I think they're kind of calling time 335 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 2: out and trying to I think they're like studying Jason 336 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: Isabel for a minute. And I'm not sure where we're 337 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: country music's going to go. But right now it seems 338 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: like that cat, Jason Aldean who said something racist I guess, 339 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: or something that defended PPIs. And then so this other kid, 340 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: there's another kid who offended hippies, and they're they're the 341 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: only people making it happen right now in that I 342 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: think sixteen down it was about itself caught up in 343 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: whatever's going on in America, you know what I mean, 344 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: they're going to get themselves out of politics, I think, 345 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: because I don't think they're meant to get there. 346 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 1: You know, yeah Morgan, Morgan Wall and maybe you were 347 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: talking about Yeah, yeah. 348 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: That kid, that kid, he fucked up. I think through 349 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 2: something somebody or but I know he said did something racist. 350 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: I don't know what it was or if you I mean, 351 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: but like they're rallying around that kid like that, as 352 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: if they're rallying around those cats, as if they shot 353 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: a protestor like they're standing up for them. You know 354 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like you know red neck people 355 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: who don't like people that don't look by themselves and 356 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: to the point that they're angry about it. They wanted 357 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: to find they were coming to the rescue of these 358 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 2: two guys, and the rest of the town's getting kind 359 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: of artsy. 360 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with the Taking a Walk Podcast. 361 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. What do 362 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: you think Jerry Jeff would have thought about what's going 363 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: on these days? 364 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: Oh? God, I think he would have liked what was 365 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 2: going on music, But I don't know. Well, we'll really 366 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 2: depend on if he was drinking or not, because if 367 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: he was drinking, whatever is causing chaos, and no matter 368 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: if it's positive or negative, it's hard to understand's headquard, 369 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: So he'd like all the chaos, even though some of 370 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 2: it has been of course, a lot of it's been violent. 371 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: But man, he had a way of letting go of 372 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: everything in a way that didn't make you think that 373 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 2: he was ignoring people's troubles. Sometimes it's like, oh, you're 374 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 2: on for a second. He was a gifted at free 375 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 2: in his mind. Yeah. 376 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: Last following, Yeah, did your father impact your storytelling unbelievable abilities? 377 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: Was he one of the greatest influences in that regard. 378 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: I think. So the first time I saw Jerry Jeff, 379 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: I thought that's my dad, except for my dad wasn't 380 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 2: for real. So I remember saying, he's not hurting anymore, 381 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: you know, And I remember think, yeah, my dad would 382 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: have been a good troubadour. He was a criminal, but 383 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: like a very successful one. He died when he was 384 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: only fifty four. He was part of was this guy 385 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: named George never Say in Oregon. He brought heroin to 386 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 2: the Great North less like the early sixties and set 387 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: up his team in Beaverton, Oregon. And that's what my 388 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 2: dad was. That worked for him. And it was weird 389 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: way it was a little soprano like without that the 390 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: way of sounding. It didn't sound like that. But there 391 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: was always a couple of guys standing around with people. 392 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: Don't believe me that, So that's that's true. 393 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: Oh I believe you. 394 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 395 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: What do you think is the most significant milestone to 396 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: date in your career? 397 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 4: Right after that, when you said that, I thought, I 398 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 4: went on the tour right before or after I think 399 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 4: it was before the pandemic with Bramlin Jack Elliott and 400 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 4: spent like two weeks on the. 401 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 5: Bus with him, and I felt like that confirmed a lot. 402 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 5: I mean, I felt like I learned a lot. I 403 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 5: felt like I confirmed a lot about what we're doing. 404 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 5: And he was always like, would always put me to bed. 405 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 5: He was always ready to go the bus and could 406 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 5: do something. He's ninety two and so he was really. 407 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: Into traveling, and so we would go find cars and 408 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 2: buses and boats and things to look at during the day. 409 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: It's just really active and just seeing somebody who jumped 410 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 2: in head first to this lifestyle being so still so 411 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: glad that he did, still so free, still so amused 412 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: and interested, and it made me think that, like there's 413 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: a fourth quarter, there's a little bit left, you know. 414 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: Tell me what the Towns van Zant has meant to you. 415 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 2: When I met The first time I saw him was 416 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: some Keith Sykes took me to a Christmas party at 417 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: a bar. There was a whole Holden family and I 418 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: didn't know what that meant. And when we went into 419 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: the back too, we went into the kitchen, and when 420 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: we walked in the back kitchen at his bars, Guy 421 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 2: Clark in town Van Aunt, John Prime and Nancy Griffith, 422 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 2: and they're playing the game where you throw dice on 423 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: the wall and they had money in their hands and 424 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 2: they're shouting, you know, and I never met I only 425 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 2: knew jump. And then at a certain point, guys, I 426 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: mean Towns came and sat down next to me and 427 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: grabbed my arm and I could tell he was starting 428 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: to cry. And he said, I said, what's the matter, 429 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: And he said, this is all fucked up? And I said, 430 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: what's all fucked up? And then they all brow it 431 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 2: in laughter it and he was like, this is all 432 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: I never knew what I meant, you know that, but 433 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: it hurt me for him. And then after they all 434 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: went to Jones and traded songs. I was the only 435 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: other person there. I just got up a record thing, 436 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 2: but they didn't. I didn't play any songs. And then 437 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 2: after that guy in Town's were really nice to me. 438 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: They call me Keith or Psikes as a kid, and 439 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: the only take you in. Now I get it, and 440 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 2: you know you have to. And I was the first 441 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 2: person to tell me that, like the people that came 442 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: after me were going to make me jealous, and if 443 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: only for being younger. And you just can't you can't 444 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 2: be that, you can't do that. You have to go 445 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 2: the other way. You have to give everything you have 446 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: to everybody that's doing this, and it works. It really is. 447 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: It's not a lot of people that just want to 448 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 2: be a troubadour, not very many at all. And those 449 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: guys really looked up that were just good to each other, 450 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: they weren't rights. 451 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: Don't you think there's people who pose as troubadours and 452 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: then there's people who really are troubadours. 453 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: I think so. 454 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: Probably so you could sniff them. I bet you could 455 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: sniff them a mile away. 456 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: Though usually I sometimes I feel like I can. First 457 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 2: time I met Isabelle and the first time I saw 458 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: Sierra Farrell, I knew, and yeah, there is a it's 459 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: a calling or something. It definitely doesn't feel like a 460 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 2: thing that you can plan. I didn't. I didn't have 461 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 2: a goal, you know, And then I was living like 462 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: this first and then it was like, look at these guys. 463 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 2: They lived the same way, but they have a guitar. 464 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: Seems like they get an extra extra stupid everything. 465 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: What's the biggest challenge in your career that you've faced, 466 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: or that you've faced to this day. 467 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 2: Right now, I feel like in the last couple of years, 468 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: I haven't I'm played because of my be to call 469 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: like a it sounds darker than this. They call it 470 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: a dark knight of the soul where you where. I'm 471 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: like not sure how much I'm going to be able 472 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: to play again. I haven't played in a couple of 473 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: almost a couple of years, and I'm trying to get healthy. 474 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not not off drugs. I'm not on drugs. 475 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 2: If if almost on drugs, I could go play. But 476 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 2: I can't live like that. And it's gotten I'm in 477 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: a lot of thing all the time, not to dig though. 478 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 2: And I said, I'm going to the chiropractor after this, 479 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: and there's this guy that is I think it's starting 480 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: to help me. I want to play game, but that 481 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: so that part of it, like trying to figure out 482 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: be if I wasn't that I'm not so far come 483 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 2: up with nothing. 484 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 6: And then I think meeting heroes and not because of them, 485 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 6: not because oh, because they turned out to be jerks, 486 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 6: just it's intimidating. It's like being around like it was 487 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 6: intimidating to be around John Jimmy Buffet of those people, 488 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 6: but Buffet in particular was somebody like I really wanted 489 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 6: to be a friend to him, and he needed friends, 490 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 6: but they you'd have to be a genius. 491 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 2: You were going to have to be one of those 492 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: guys Steve Jobs and those were his friends, people that 493 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 2: were running on them. I mean, I've been around that. 494 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: I mean, now I'm bad about him, but that I 495 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 2: knew a lot of languages for Star Wars. He was 496 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 2: a master surfer, master fisherman, master of pilot. You're not 497 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 2: like the rest. I wasn't like people that was. He 498 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: was hard, like not hard to be around, but you 499 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 2: felt like, you know, it's such. I wasn't slapping on 500 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: the back and telling them jokes. I was just like, damn, 501 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: you want to fly now? Okay? 502 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: And he kept, you know, having this zest for his 503 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: performance and connecting with his fans and you know, kind 504 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: of keeping that fire always burning, right. 505 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: I think of him as the best troubador that. Yeah. 506 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: And he learned it from Jared Jeff, who learned it 507 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: from Rongland Jet. And Jared Jeff took him to Q 508 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: West and he was to say he could parallel park 509 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: a pirate ship and I'm not I'm not kidding, he 510 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 2: can tas say it. So he went down there and 511 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 2: found more of than music. Yeah, he found the way 512 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: lock he created Jimmy Buffett understand there and then got 513 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: to be. 514 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: And the whole time miss him dearly. I'm sure crazy. 515 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 2: I'm still really close to his knees. And that has 516 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: been a really hard one because he is like there 517 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: was a like for me, particularly like he just said 518 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: you can be a singer now wouldn't be talking to 519 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 2: you because he decided one day to let me. Thanks 520 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: doing that twenty times a year ever since the song 521 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 2: came out, just like you can do this, you can always? 522 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: Are you happy how you have evolved as a musician 523 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: and a troubadour. 524 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: Thank you for asking me that. I'm really happy with 525 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: the guitar playing and the harmon playing. That makes me. 526 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: I feel like I've really come a long way on 527 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: those things. And then Troubadour and I feel like I 528 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: got through a no hitter and then I've been't like 529 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: that took my first like this is the first break 530 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 2: I've ever taken a I went I ran away at fifteen, 531 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: went on the road at about twenty seven and never stopped. 532 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: And I feel I know that Ramblin Jack is proud 533 00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 2: of the that lifestyle there's a camp where I'm I'm 534 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 2: teached like that Teachi, which is a grip in itself. 535 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: But there's a camp in which stock were. Last year 536 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: I did it. It was supposed to be a songwriting camp, 537 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: and this year it's a freewheel and tribute or camp. 538 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 2: And I'm like, there's way more to it than just 539 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 2: making up songs. You got to learn to sleep anywhere, 540 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: or you got to learn how to jump in the 541 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 2: car just because the doors open. All that shit. I 542 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 2: love that. 543 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about some of your favorite 544 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: venues and then some of your least favorite venues right right. 545 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: That is fun. Let's see I can do that. Let's 546 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: say Green Hall because I saw Jerry Jeff there and 547 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: I was like, this is what I am. And then 548 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 2: there's a place. 549 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 7: Called Alice's Champagne Palace in Homer, Alaska that it is 550 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 7: like that town if somebody was looking for a travel tip. 551 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: That's the kind of town you can go and meet 552 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: everyone there and become you know everyone there come back. 553 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 2: It's not like that community and I feel like I'm 554 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: part of it. And then Santa Cruz they used to 555 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 2: have these fat fries outside and that town too. The 556 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 2: radio station in that town. There's a community around that 557 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 2: it's fun to go fall into just see what they're 558 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: doing tonight and then say I was I going to say, Oh, 559 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 2: the last one would be Key West because I first 560 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 2: time I went down there was a Jimmy So I've 561 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: got that place dialed in pretty good. And it is 562 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: the tubadour. In the nineties, when I went down there, 563 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 2: there was like music on all the streets up and 564 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: down New Ball. But now if you go up and 565 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: down the Ball, it's one guy telling stories and singing 566 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 2: his own songs and people are paying attention to It's 567 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 2: like there's a buffet, there's somebody doing my shit. There's 568 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 2: twelve gigs to do what I do every night on 569 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 2: one street. So if you're into that too, if you're 570 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 2: in the like Boatcraft and Nate and songwriting types, there's 571 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: a ship coming qus and they're working at lots of gigs, 572 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 2: and so I'm going down there for a while and 573 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: I know those guys. 574 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: Do you have any hobbies other than being a troubadour 575 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: and a musician. 576 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 2: I'm a good gardener, our gardener, and I'm a walker, 577 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: Like I think this that I walk a few times 578 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: a day and a garden meditate, like to meditate, which 579 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: is mean to just sit there. That's about it. That's 580 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 2: my things. 581 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: I think, what advice would you give to aspiring musicians 582 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: that are listening to this podcast? 583 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: I will go in through it if you're see some 584 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 2: people go into it to succeed and other people go 585 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: into it to escape the part of the world that 586 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 2: is focused on success. You can go trying to be 587 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: a star, or you can be Vince Herman, which is 588 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: like he's just like I've kind of been allowed to 589 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 2: I don't know if you known. I'm talking about his 590 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: leftover salmon and he's a s bonifide. What do you 591 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 2: call when people figure out there you go and shake it. 592 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: He used his time onous to do that and got 593 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: away with it by playing mandolin and singing, not making 594 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 2: big buss, you know. So it's like I went into 595 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: it because I felt like I had already was the 596 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 2: big say tune in, drop out it. So it's like, 597 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 2: if you if you want to have kids or be 598 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 2: responsible or be don't do it. Don't try to. You're 599 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 2: not going to succeed in a way that you're going 600 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 2: to send you a kid to private school or whatever. 601 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 2: And if you do like em, when Jack said, music 602 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 2: is good for like a horse or a truck, and 603 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 2: the rest is grab ass. And if you know that 604 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 2: you might end up with your own ranch accident, you 605 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: might end up like Jimmy Buffade. But if you think 606 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 2: you're gonna end up like Jimmy Buffet, you're just gonna 607 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: be it drunk. You gotta like when I started being 608 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: a singers because I knew that I was never going 609 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 2: to have any money. I was never going to do 610 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 2: anything like that. I was never going to have to 611 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 2: sit down and meet with anyone or anything like that. 612 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 2: That was the payment. And then like psychs was like, 613 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 2: you can go to Europe if you just get your 614 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: shit together for six months. 615 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: That's what I told Sierra God in closing, what have 616 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: you not learned about life or being a musician that 617 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: you're still in. 618 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 2: Search of that thing Vinny did? And I do think 619 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 2: I'm getting closer. I would like to run out of 620 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 2: things to say and shake my personality completely, even know 621 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 2: it's pretty warming, like he and then I've got alan 622 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 2: want too. In the last few years of so like 623 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 2: I didn't really talk anymore and he only really just 624 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 2: laughed and made funny sounds and stuff. And I could 625 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 2: see that happen in the bending and I'm trying to 626 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 2: get right in line behind me. I would like that. 627 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 2: I would like to go be like, go completely mad. 628 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 2: I guess is what someone might say, Oh, just get 629 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 2: rid of shake my name, you know, get back to 630 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 2: before you take on them. 631 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. 632 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 2: It sounds some Hippi ship, but music. I think someday 633 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 2: they're going to figure out frequencies and like the in 634 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 2: like music is like a magic thing. I think can 635 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 2: do that. I may be talking about, you know how 636 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 2: some people like will just take a drug over and 637 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 2: over because they're certain at any day now it's gonna 638 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 2: they're going to not need it anymore because it's they 639 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 2: saw it, you know. I guess I'm keep hoping to 640 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 2: get it whatever it is, you know, whatever it is, 641 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 2: to get with it. 642 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: I want to get with it. Thanks for getting with 643 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: it with me, man, Thank you, man. I so enjoyed this. 644 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 2: Thank you Man, I did too. 645 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for being on right on man, I can't wait here. Yeah, 646 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: I'll keep you posted. Thanks for everything, seriously. Thanks good 647 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: luck at the doc too. Thanks for listening. To this 648 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk episode with Todd Snyder. A quick shout 649 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 1: out thanks to one of our Ohio friends and supporters 650 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: of Taking a Walk, Buck McK williams. Thanks for supporting 651 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. Buck. 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