WEBVTT - Betrayal Weekly: EP 3 - Ashley

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<v Speaker 1>They call it from an eight hundred number. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know who it was, but I answered the phone and

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<v Speaker 1>I heard you were getting a collect call from an

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<v Speaker 1>Innate County jail. That wave of dread came over me.

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<v Speaker 1>You have that decision to accept the call or not

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<v Speaker 1>accept the call. My heart sank, my stomach went into

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<v Speaker 1>my throat.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about

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<v Speaker 2>the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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<v Speaker 2>change everything. A few months ago, we heard from a

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<v Speaker 2>woman named Ashley. When our team first met Ashley, she

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<v Speaker 2>was working as a correction caseworker in a prison and

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<v Speaker 2>was pursuing her master's degree in forensic psychology.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very in tune with people's emotions and how people

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<v Speaker 1>are feeling. I love people. I will go above and

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<v Speaker 1>beyond to help somebody in need.

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley's a sensitive person and the betrayal she experienced was

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<v Speaker 2>so intense it nearly broke her. It's a twisted story

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<v Speaker 2>of theft, deception, and even threats from a Mexican drug cartel.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sitting there thinking, who did I marry? Am

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<v Speaker 1>I sleeping next to somebody who would murder people? For

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<v Speaker 1>a cartel.

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<v Speaker 2>When we first spoke with her, I was surprised how

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<v Speaker 2>flatly she describes what she went through. It was almost

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<v Speaker 2>like she was divorced from emotion. So we asked her

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<v Speaker 2>about that directly.

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<v Speaker 1>If I let myself get emotional about it, I am

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<v Speaker 1>in danger of getting back to that dark place that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to find myself in. I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a healthy coping mechanism, but like I disassociate from it.

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<v Speaker 2>When Ashley was twenty six, she was working as a

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<v Speaker 2>mental health case manager. It's her passion. Her life was

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<v Speaker 2>on track. She was proud to be living alone in

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<v Speaker 2>her first apartment. She even worked a second job as

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<v Speaker 2>a swim coach to make extra money. But there was

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<v Speaker 2>one big thing she still wanted in her life. Love.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd had a string of bad boyfriends and was looking

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<v Speaker 2>for someone stable, someone she could build a life with.

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<v Speaker 1>I was using all the dating apps like Tinder, all

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<v Speaker 1>that fun stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when a new guy started at Ashley's job, Jake.

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<v Speaker 2>He was confident and smart. She was immediately drawn to him,

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily romantically, but just as a person.

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<v Speaker 1>Jake had really loved black hair down to the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of his back and kind of looked like somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>was like in a band or something, not the type

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<v Speaker 1>of guy I would date.

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<v Speaker 2>The two shared the same work schedule and soon became

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<v Speaker 2>fast friends. Jake even teased her about being on dating apps.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd come into work and share my dating experiences on

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<v Speaker 1>these apps. It started off by him kind of joking

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<v Speaker 1>about the types of guys that I would go out

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<v Speaker 1>on dates with, what they did as a profession, or

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<v Speaker 1>like their screen names or whatever on the dating apps.

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<v Speaker 2>One day, Jake came into the office with bad news.

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<v Speaker 2>He told Ashley that over the weekend he found out

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<v Speaker 2>that his wife, Amber was cheating on him.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't going to tolerate cheating, and so he kicked

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<v Speaker 1>her out of the house, changed all the locks, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to get a divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley was sympathetic, especially because the couple had a three

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<v Speaker 2>year old daughter together.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, he left from work early because he had

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<v Speaker 1>this lawyer appointment and he was going to go file

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<v Speaker 1>for divorce. He thought it was best to separate and

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<v Speaker 1>raise their child together, but separate.

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<v Speaker 2>A few weeks later, Jake asked Ashley to hang out

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<v Speaker 2>after work. She expected something casual like beer and wings,

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<v Speaker 2>but Jake had other plans.

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<v Speaker 1>He showed up at my apartment and he bought me

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<v Speaker 1>this huge bouquet of flowers and they were just gorgeous

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<v Speaker 1>pinks and orange and just really pretty flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>To Ashley's surprise, it was a date. When they went

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<v Speaker 2>to dinner that night, Jake showed her a different side

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<v Speaker 2>of him. He was a gentleman.

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<v Speaker 1>He was such an upgrade to what I was used to.

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<v Speaker 1>He just seemed very honest, which was a breath of

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<v Speaker 1>fresh air to me because I came from relationships where

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of lying and hiding in secrets,

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<v Speaker 1>and he seemed to be upfront and honest about everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, this is a nice change of pace.

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<v Speaker 2>Jake was also thoughtful. He would walk into work in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning with her favorite coffee in his hand. That

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<v Speaker 2>was just the beginning of Jake's generosity.

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<v Speaker 1>He would randomly buy me like designer purses or jewelry,

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<v Speaker 1>just because he was just like, I saw this and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought of you, and I thought you'd like it,

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<v Speaker 1>so I bought it for you, which you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never had someone do that for me before.

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<v Speaker 2>It was romantic. They started having date nights every Thursday

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<v Speaker 2>and Saturday. They were the highlights of her week. Around

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<v Speaker 2>that same time, Jake was settling his divorce and finalizing

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<v Speaker 2>the sale of his house.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, I sold the house, but I have

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<v Speaker 1>to be out in a week. I don't have anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>to go. And I'm like, well, you can move in

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<v Speaker 1>with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though Ashley and Jake had only been dating a

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<v Speaker 2>few months, she didn't want someone she cared about to struggle. Plus,

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<v Speaker 2>she saw a future with this guy, so Jake moved in.

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley's only concern was how his three year old daughter

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<v Speaker 2>would handle the change. She knew how much his only

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<v Speaker 2>child meant to him.

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<v Speaker 1>I love kids. I'm good with kids, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any children. I didn't know how that was going

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<v Speaker 1>to work, or how he was going to explain to her.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that, Oh, I'm living with her now.

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley knew she wanted kids of her own one day

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<v Speaker 2>and was willing to make room for Jake and his daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>She offered to set up a bed for her living room,

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<v Speaker 2>but his daughter never came to stay. His ex wife,

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<v Speaker 2>Amber wasn't happy about Jake's new relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Amber did not trust me. Amber did not want me

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<v Speaker 1>around their daughter, and he said that she was keeping

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<v Speaker 1>her and breaking the custody order that they had.

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley didn't want to get involved in the custody battle.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite the stress of the divorce, living together was surprisingly easy.

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<v Speaker 2>The couple would go to work together, come home at

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<v Speaker 2>night to make dinner, and then snuggle on the couch

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<v Speaker 2>to watch movies. It was simple. He made her happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I could have the worst day ever, and he always

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<v Speaker 1>found a way to make me laugh.

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<v Speaker 2>After about a year together, Jake took her on a

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<v Speaker 2>trip to visit Kentucky, where Ashley used to live. She

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<v Speaker 2>was delighted by the gesture. She took him around to

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<v Speaker 2>all of her old haunts and he was genuinely interested

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<v Speaker 2>in getting to know the place, says she loved. That night,

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<v Speaker 2>he gave her another gift.

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<v Speaker 1>We were getting ready to go to sleep, and he

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<v Speaker 1>slid over a box and just tapped me on the

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<v Speaker 1>shoulder and made that little like noise. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is this and he was like, well, open it

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a ring. And I was like, are

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<v Speaker 1>you asking me to marry you? And he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>well duh.

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley admitced the proposal was underwhelming, but she didn't care.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved him and I wanted to marry him, so

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<v Speaker 1>the proposal and how it was done at that point

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<v Speaker 1>didn't matter. I just wanted to move forward and start

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<v Speaker 1>building a life with this person.

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<v Speaker 2>Jake found an elopement package a weekend getaway at a

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<v Speaker 2>bed and breakfast. Most of the day was a blur

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<v Speaker 2>for Ashley, except for the vowels the couple had written

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<v Speaker 2>for each other. She remembers that moment clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>Mine were all about how I promised to love him

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<v Speaker 1>and be the best wife I could be, and his

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<v Speaker 1>were joking about how we met at work and how

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<v Speaker 1>this friendship ended up becoming what it is today. The

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<v Speaker 1>very last line of his vows, he used the song

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<v Speaker 1>Africa by Toto about how it's going to take a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to drag me away from you. At the time,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, that's sweep, But looking back now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it's an interesting way to end your vows.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, perhaps more like foreshadowing. After a year of dating,

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley and Jake had tied the knot in his simple

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<v Speaker 2>elopement ceremony. As she said in her vows, she promised

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<v Speaker 2>to be the best wife she could be. That meant

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<v Speaker 2>making the marriage work even in the hard times, just

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<v Speaker 2>like her parents had.

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<v Speaker 1>My parents were never divorced. I grew up with my

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<v Speaker 1>parents together, and I wanted to have one and only

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<v Speaker 1>one marriage, just like my parents.

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<v Speaker 2>But early on the couple had a few fights, fights

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<v Speaker 2>where she saw a new side of Jake. There's one

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<v Speaker 2>specific night that Ashley says she'll never forget. She'd been

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<v Speaker 2>working her second job as a swim coach that night,

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<v Speaker 2>she stayed a half hour late to hang out with

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<v Speaker 2>the other coaches. When she got back to the apartment

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<v Speaker 2>and unlocked the door, sitting there glaring at.

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<v Speaker 1>Her, and he was like, where were you? And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I was talking to the coaches. We were

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<v Speaker 1>having a good time. And he was like, that is

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<v Speaker 1>not okay for you to be coming home half an

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<v Speaker 1>hour late and not be notifying me of this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm sorry, it's only a half an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley didn't like the behavior and knew he was overreacting,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the same time, she thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, maybe that's just a way that he is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be protective of me and like showing me that

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<v Speaker 1>he cares where I'm at and he's worried about me.

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<v Speaker 2>Jake was always a bit worried about Ashley. She struggled

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<v Speaker 2>with depression and anxiety, and Jake fixated on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had bouts of depression and anxiety throughout my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>He kept telling me over and over and over, I

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<v Speaker 1>need to not work, that I need to focus on

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<v Speaker 1>getting better with my mental health. He told me that

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<v Speaker 1>he thought I should pursue social Security disability. And how

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<v Speaker 1>can you expect to go to work and handle all

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<v Speaker 1>the stress when you can't handle stressors in our marriage

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<v Speaker 1>and in our life. You take naps and you rest,

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<v Speaker 1>and you go to therapy and work on your mental health,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll do everything else in life for you. It

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<v Speaker 1>just made me become more and more dependent on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley eventually stopped working and started collecting disability. With less income,

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<v Speaker 2>the couple moved into Ashley's mom's house to save money,

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<v Speaker 2>but during the move, Ashley realized she couldn't find one

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<v Speaker 2>of her most treasured possessions.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad gave me his military cult forty five gun

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<v Speaker 1>before he died. That was one of my dad's favorite

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<v Speaker 1>things he had. You know, I was crying and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't know where it is.

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<v Speaker 2>She started to worry that one of her ex boyfriends

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<v Speaker 2>could have stolen the gun. Jake was trying to calm

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<v Speaker 2>her down. He said if any of her exes had

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<v Speaker 2>stolen the gun, he could get it back for her.

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<v Speaker 2>He took a deep breath and confessed that he had connections.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, what do you mean you have connections?

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<v Speaker 1>And then he told me that for several years he

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<v Speaker 1>has been involved with a local gang that worked for

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<v Speaker 1>one of the Mexican cartels, the Sinaloa Cartel cartel.

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<v Speaker 2>Her husband involved in a Mexican drug cartel. This was

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<v Speaker 2>news to Ashley, shocking and terrifying information. Even though Ashley

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<v Speaker 2>is now detached from what happened to her, she was

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not so calm about it in that moment. This

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<v Speaker 2>was a huge deal. She couldn't believe this revelation was

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<v Speaker 2>just coming out now after they were married. She asked

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<v Speaker 2>how exactly he was connected to the cartel. He said

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<v Speaker 2>that his job was to be quote a problem solver.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course I had to ask what that meant.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he told me how he would murder people

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<v Speaker 1>for whoever told him to. I asked him how many

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<v Speaker 1>people he had quote taken care of, and he told

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<v Speaker 1>me he was like at nineteen and it's not personal,

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<v Speaker 1>it's business. I was sitting there thinking, who did I marry?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I sleeping next to somebody who would murder people

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<v Speaker 1>for a cartel?

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley stayed awake that night, trying to understand what this

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<v Speaker 2>meant for her and Jake's future. Could he really be

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<v Speaker 2>a hit man for the cartel?

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<v Speaker 1>Every question that I had, he had reasons for it,

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<v Speaker 1>or he connected the dots for me that weren't making sense.

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<v Speaker 1>He backed up a lot of stuff. He would show

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<v Speaker 1>me emails, he'd show me text messages with conversations with people.

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<v Speaker 2>But was even more disturbing was that he was simply

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<v Speaker 2>unfazed by the gravity of this. Jake acted as if

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<v Speaker 2>it were just a simple little secret.

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<v Speaker 1>You should feel privileged that I even let you in

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<v Speaker 1>on this part of my life. I've never told anybody

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<v Speaker 1>else that I was involved in this stuff, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know more about this than anybody else.

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley was scared and felt completely trapped. Jake expressed that

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<v Speaker 2>he was too.

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<v Speaker 1>He explained to me how he was trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>out and they weren't going to let him out.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys were serious, and they weren't afraid to hurt families.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the stories about how people ended up missing

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<v Speaker 1>were scary because he would explain that they will make

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<v Speaker 1>it look like an accident, or you will just disappear

0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and never be heard from again. By him telling me

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<v Speaker 1>about the cartels, was that putting me in danger by

0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:41.520
<v Speaker 1>knowing that information?

0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:47.280
<v Speaker 2>In fact, Jake said they were both in danger. Shortly

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<v Speaker 2>after that night, he told Ashley he broke ties with

0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.240
<v Speaker 2>the cartel, making the two of them a target. Now

0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.760
<v Speaker 2>they needed to go on the run and hide out.

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<v Speaker 1>The higher ups in the cartel told him if you

0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.320
<v Speaker 1>come back to the area, you're going to be dead.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to get you.

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<v Speaker 2>The impact of the stress and terror began taking a

0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:10.920
<v Speaker 2>toll on Ashley.

0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't eating, I wasn't sleeping. I lost quite a

0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:19.080
<v Speaker 1>bit of weight. I was not able to sleep unless

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<v Speaker 1>I was medicated.

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<v Speaker 2>They hit out in hotels for a few weeks. Eventually

0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:27.959
<v Speaker 2>Jake demed it safe enough to return. Ashley felt safer

0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.359
<v Speaker 2>with him than without him, so they moved back in

0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:36.600
<v Speaker 2>with Ashley's family. It wasn't long until another issue surfaced.

0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Ashley's mother and grandfather apparently had their identity stolen. Their

0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.400
<v Speaker 2>bank accounts were being hacked.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother would literally get a paycheck deposited on Friday

0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.399
<v Speaker 1>and then on Saturday go to buy something and her

0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.520
<v Speaker 1>bank account was overdrawn because someone hacked your bank account.

0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Every few weeks, her mother and grandfather and notice a

0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:05.040
<v Speaker 2>security breach. Just when it was solved, another one would arise.

0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Both Ashley and Jake threw themselves into helping her family

0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:11.760
<v Speaker 2>triage the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Jake was really attentive to my mom and my grandpa,

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<v Speaker 1>always sitting down with them at the kitchen table calling

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<v Speaker 1>the banks. That became his sole focus was helping my

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<v Speaker 1>mom and my grandpa fix their bank accounts.

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<v Speaker 2>It went on like this for six overwhelming months. In

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<v Speaker 2>the back of her mind, Ashley feared that the missing

0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:38.199
<v Speaker 2>money could have something to do with the cartel, but

0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.560
<v Speaker 2>she didn't want to burden her mom with the truth

0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:45.359
<v Speaker 2>about Jake, so she kept it all inside. One day,

0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:50.600
<v Speaker 2>her grandpa got his bank statement and noticed something particularly concerning.

0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.439
<v Speaker 1>Twenty thousand dollars was missing from his savings account. He

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<v Speaker 1>called the banks, you know, they said for them to

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<v Speaker 1>have it insured and cut and put back into his account.

0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:05.159
<v Speaker 1>That he has to do a police report. So my

0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:09.000
<v Speaker 1>grandpa went and did a police report, and our local

0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.040
<v Speaker 1>police said, it looks like the money was being taken

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<v Speaker 1>out of an ATM, so we'll pull the footage from

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<v Speaker 1>that and see what's going on.

0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.240
<v Speaker 2>The family didn't hear anything from the police for a

0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:25.720
<v Speaker 2>few weeks until one night.

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<v Speaker 1>Our bedroom door gets busted down. Police are pointing guns

0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.360
<v Speaker 1>at both me and him, telling us put our hands up.

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<v Speaker 1>They asked if his name was Jacob Levin and he

0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.520
<v Speaker 1>said yes. They told him, like, stand up and face

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<v Speaker 1>the wall and put your hands behind your head. I'm

0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.200
<v Speaker 1>trying to talk to the cop and I go, what's

0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.840
<v Speaker 1>going on? What happened? And he said, well, ma'am, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna let you know, we have evidence that Jake was

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<v Speaker 1>the one feeling the money from your grandfather's bank account.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't add up. Jake had been the one going

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<v Speaker 2>out of his way to help her grandfather sort through

0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:21.600
<v Speaker 2>this whole financial mess. The only explanation she could think

0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:25.000
<v Speaker 2>of is that this was all happening because Jake had

0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:29.000
<v Speaker 2>left the cartel in order to steal from her grandfather.

0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.760
<v Speaker 2>He had to be desperate to come up with cash

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<v Speaker 2>quickly and that meant she and her family could be

0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:38.640
<v Speaker 2>in danger, so she pawned her valuables and paid his bail.

0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.680
<v Speaker 2>She took him straight to a hotel where they could

0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.159
<v Speaker 2>talk in private, and he confessed.

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<v Speaker 1>He explained to me that he had received a message

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<v Speaker 1>from one of these people in the cartel and they

0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:57.600
<v Speaker 1>were threatening me and my mom and my grandfather, and

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<v Speaker 1>if he didn't come up with some form a payment,

0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:06.240
<v Speaker 1>they were going to harm us. They knew where we

0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:10.000
<v Speaker 1>were living and they were driving past our house. So

0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:15.640
<v Speaker 1>he said that he was concerned for our safety and

0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:16.880
<v Speaker 1>my family's safety.

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<v Speaker 2>He also explained what he'd kept the whole scheme a secret.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me that he didn't want to add more

0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:29.359
<v Speaker 1>stress and worry to me because I was always kind

0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.800
<v Speaker 1>of worried and stressed out about things going on in

0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:37.240
<v Speaker 1>our marriage, our finances. People in the cartel after us,

0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:40.360
<v Speaker 1>and he told me he didn't want to add more

0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:41.040
<v Speaker 1>to my plate.

0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Right then, she wanted to walk out. The fear for

0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:51.000
<v Speaker 2>her safety and her family's safety was overwhelming, But more

0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 2>powerful than fear was a deep insecurity.

0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I was brought up with the like, never give up

0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:05.040
<v Speaker 1>on something, try your hardest to make anything work attitude.

0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:08.040
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't want to fail, and I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>if I washed my hands of him in the whole marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>I was failing.

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<v Speaker 2>Their relationship was hanging on by a thread. Things were

0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:26.400
<v Speaker 2>so tumultuous that Ashley picked up and left the hotel

0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.639
<v Speaker 2>to spend the night at her mom's house. When she

0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.640
<v Speaker 2>went back to the hotel the next morning, she found

0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.919
<v Speaker 2>Jake missing, along with a few other important things.

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<v Speaker 1>He had cleared out all of his things in the hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>including a lot of my things that he took. Three

0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:48.080
<v Speaker 1>of those things were three of my guns that I

0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.200
<v Speaker 1>had in the hotel, and they were registered to me.

0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:56.320
<v Speaker 2>The guns were gone, and so was Jake. He wasn't

0:22:56.359 --> 0:23:01.000
<v Speaker 2>answering her phone calls. The hours turned into date. That's

0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:04.000
<v Speaker 2>when she and her family started looking for their valuables

0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:07.359
<v Speaker 2>and they found even more things missing.

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:14.520
<v Speaker 1>The weapons missing kind of prompted everybody in the house

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:19.359
<v Speaker 1>to start looking at our valuables. That is when my

0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:24.440
<v Speaker 1>mother noticed that her wedding band and engagement ring set

0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:28.639
<v Speaker 1>when missing, as well as my grandmother's wedding ring and

0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:35.760
<v Speaker 1>engagement band. I was upset about the weapons, but the

0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:39.560
<v Speaker 1>wedding ring sets from both my mom and my grandmother's

0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 1>was the ultimate betrayal to me. Those did mean so

0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:53.920
<v Speaker 1>much to me and my family, especially because my father

0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 1>meant the world to me, and my dad has said

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:05.200
<v Speaker 1>it's passed and those things are things that can't be replaced,

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.720
<v Speaker 1>so it hurt real bad.

0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 2>The wedding rings were the final straw for Ashley. She

0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 2>knew immediately that her husband had stolen them.

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 1>At that point, I knew I meant nothing to him.

0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I could not fathom how somebody could take something that

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.800
<v Speaker 1>meant so much to somebody and take it to a

0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:37.960
<v Speaker 1>pawn shop and pawn it for however much money he

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:43.119
<v Speaker 1>got for it. To him, it was just things. But

0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:48.359
<v Speaker 1>to me and my family, those things are priceless, and at.

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:53.960
<v Speaker 3>That point I knew that I was just a thing

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 3>to him.

0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:00.920
<v Speaker 2>She and her family made a list of missing items

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:05.280
<v Speaker 2>and took it to the police. At that breaking point,

0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:09.879
<v Speaker 2>Ashley decided to start researching her husband's legal record. She

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:14.880
<v Speaker 2>saw the recent theft charges, some small claimsport records, and

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 2>then she clicked on a document about his divorce from

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:19.200
<v Speaker 2>his first wife.

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:22.920
<v Speaker 1>And one thing I noticed was the timeframe of it.

0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Jake had told me that he filed for divorce in

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen. This wasn't filed until twenty twenty one. Jake

0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 1>had told me that he was the one that filed

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:44.560
<v Speaker 1>for divorce. This was showing that Amber was the petitioner

0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 1>and Jake was the respondent. So I read more and

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 1>then I read that the case was dismissed.

0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Ashley needed answers, so she decided to go to the

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 2>one person who have them, Jake's ex wife Amber. A

0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:10.479
<v Speaker 2>few years ago, Amber had messaged Ashley on Facebook. Instead

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:13.920
<v Speaker 2>of reading the message, Ashley had just deleted it and

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 2>blocked his ex.

0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 1>I went back on Facebook. I unblocked her, and I

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 1>asked her if she would be willing to talk to

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 1>me because I have some questions about her in Jake's marriage.

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Amber replied a few days later, and what she said

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:35.920
<v Speaker 2>changed everything.

0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:39.880
<v Speaker 1>As far as I knew, Jake and her only had

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 1>one child together, and one of the first things she

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 1>said to me was, you do realize that Jake has

0:26:48.880 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 1>five kids.

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Ashley learned that her husband didn't just have one daughter

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:18.640
<v Speaker 2>like he said, He had four other small children, four

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:23.640
<v Speaker 2>children he pretended didn't exist. And Amber had a lot

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.800
<v Speaker 2>more to say the story. Jake had told about his

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 2>ex wife cheating on him. Amber says that never happened.

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:35.880
<v Speaker 2>She had divorced him after he disappeared suddenly. Their divorce

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 2>wasn't finalized until twenty twenty one, but Ashley had married

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:46.199
<v Speaker 2>Jake in twenty eighteen. Was their marriage even valid? She

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:48.359
<v Speaker 2>went to a divorce attorney to find out.

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 1>The lawyer had explained to me that, well, no, according

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 1>to the date on my marriage certificate and the date

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 1>of Amber's dissolution of marriage, my marriage in fact was

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 1>never legal to begin with. Her term was it was

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:10.400
<v Speaker 1>null and void from its inception.

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Everything was crashing down around Ashley when she got a

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 2>phone call from the detective working on Jake's case.

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:23.719
<v Speaker 1>And he said, I have some news for you. You

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:27.960
<v Speaker 1>might want to sit down. I'm like, I just found

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 1>out my marriage was never real. The man I married

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>had a wife and five children that I didn't even

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>know about. Some of the children stole from my family.

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>You know what else could there be?

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 2>The police explained they had just arrested Jake again and

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 2>this time he was living with his new fiance and like.

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Excuse me fiance, and he said, yeah, Jake was living

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 1>with the Wood. She had children and this woman in

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>him had plans about a week prior to him getting

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 1>arrested to fly to Las Vegas and get married.

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 2>In Las Vegas, the police searched Jake's phone, where they

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>found even more troubling details.

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>He told this woman that he did have five children,

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>but his five children all died in I think it

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 1>was like an automobile accident, like a car crash, and

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>I do believe that Amber was a part of that

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 1>crash as well.

0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 2>He told his new fiance that he wanted to be

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 2>a stepdad to her kids because his own had all died.

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Jake could have been in jail for a few days

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 2>when Ashley got a call.

0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>They call it from like an eight hundred number, and

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.479
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know who it was, but I answered the phone.

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>And as soon as I heard you were getting a

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 1>collect call from an inmate County jail, that wave of

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 1>dread came over me. My heart sank, my stomach like

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 1>went into my throat. You have that decision to accept

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 1>the call or not accept the call.

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 2>She knew she needed to confront him about his lies.

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 1>As much as I did not want to talk to him,

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I had to ask him questions and I know if

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I didn't accept that call that I wouldn't have another

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 1>chance to ask him directly those questions.

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 2>So she summoned all of her courage and accepted the call.

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>And I said, you have five children. You never told

0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 1>me you had five children. You told me you had one.

0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>And his response was, quote, it is what it is.

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I said, you were never divorced from Amber, and he goes,

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>that's news to me. And I was like, you know,

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>our marriage was not like a marriage. We were never

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>legally married, and he again said that's news to me.

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Before Ashley hung up, he asked if they had a

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>future together.

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty happy with myself that. I was very firm

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 1>and bold and said absolutely not. No, we do not

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 1>have a future together. So that was probably the moment

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>where the healing began. That was like the final cut

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>of the cord.

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<v Speaker 2>After that final phone call, Ashley began accepting the extent

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<v Speaker 2>of his lies.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who this person is. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>who he ever was, and quite honestly, there's nothing I

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<v Speaker 1>can believe that he ever told me outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that here's his name and his birthday because I

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<v Speaker 1>have his birth certificate.

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<v Speaker 2>Was he actually a problem solver for the cartel? Or

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<v Speaker 2>was that a lie.

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<v Speaker 1>To Now that I'm out of the situation and completely

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<v Speaker 1>removed and I can see the whole picture for what

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<v Speaker 1>it is, I do not believe any of the cartel

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<v Speaker 1>stuff was real. I believe that was like a scare

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<v Speaker 1>tactic to just keep me worried, keep me on edge,

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<v Speaker 1>like a diversion. Pay attention to the cartel stuff, but

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<v Speaker 1>don't look at what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Scare tactic is an understatement lying about being a hit

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<v Speaker 2>man for the cartel. It's a lie that created a

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<v Speaker 2>baseline of her in her everyday life, A lie that

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<v Speaker 2>allowed him to justify years up to say anger and theft,

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<v Speaker 2>A lie that made dozens of smaller lies seem more plausible.

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<v Speaker 2>Jake Spinning County jail for nearly two years awaiting trial

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<v Speaker 2>on charges of theft, fraud, theft of a firearm, and

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<v Speaker 2>defamation with intent to defraud. Ashley submitted a victim impact

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<v Speaker 2>statement to the court where she recounted the emotional and

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>financial damage he caused her and her family. The police

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<v Speaker 2>weren't able to recover the stolen items from Ashley's family.

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<v Speaker 2>The Priceless Family heirlooms. Ashley doesn't know if she'll ever

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<v Speaker 2>see them again. She's learning to make peace with that.

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<v Speaker 1>This situation led me to realize, out of all the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff he has taken from me and my family, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to let him take something else from me.

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<v Speaker 1>That includes my outlook on the world, my outlook on men,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't hate men and think all men are

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<v Speaker 1>liars and cheaters because of what happened to me.

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 2>She's putting her life back together. She just finished her

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<v Speaker 2>master's degree in forensic psychology and today she's a correctional

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 2>caseworker in a prison. It's work that brings purpose and

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<v Speaker 2>meaning to her life.

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<v Speaker 1>I go to work every day and I deal with

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 1>incarcerated individuals who have victims, have hurt people, and I,

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<v Speaker 1>being a victim myself, don't let that affect how I

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<v Speaker 1>treat any of my clients. I believe that they can

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<v Speaker 1>find redemption. I do think that people can change, and

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<v Speaker 1>a part of my job is to help them find

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<v Speaker 1>that way so that they can redeem themselves and get

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<v Speaker 1>out and find a way to live a happy, successful

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>life that won't have them end up back in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredibly, she even believes that Jake has potential to find

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<v Speaker 2>redemption if he just takes accountability for his crimes and

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<v Speaker 2>the harm he caused. And there's one silver lining in

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<v Speaker 2>this terrible situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I never had to get a divorce because I never

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<v Speaker 1>had a legal marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley is focusing on moving forward, going to therapy, and

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<v Speaker 2>putting the pieces of her life back together. We end

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<v Speaker 2>all of our episodes with the same question, why did

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<v Speaker 2>you want to tell your story?

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<v Speaker 1>I want people to know that something like this can

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<v Speaker 1>happen to other people, and hopefully somebody here's my story

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<v Speaker 1>and either makes them take a second look in a

0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 1>situation that they're in, or if somebody else is in

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<v Speaker 1>a similar situation, they don't feel alone. Because one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that really helped me when I was going through this

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 1>was hearing similar stories. It made me feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>not me. This happens to other people, and there is

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<v Speaker 1>a light at the end of the tunnel, because if

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<v Speaker 1>other people have gone through the same things I went through,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's possible that I can also find that happiness

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<v Speaker 1>and clarity.

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<v Speaker 2>On the next episode of Betrayal.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember her entering the Niki waiting room first off,

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<v Speaker 4>with no baby, and she just had this look on

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<v Speaker 4>her face.

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