1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a little thirteen 2 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: year old girl vanish and nobody seems to know where 3 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: she is? Where she was nothing? How can that be? 4 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: I know where my two thirteen year olds are right now. 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: I guarantee you I know where they are. So how 6 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: come nobody knows where little Delia is? She just dropped 7 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: off the map in Gainesville, Florida. See, I don't believe 8 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: that Crime Stories with Nancy Grace that Gainshell girls being 9 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: reported as missing. Ring to the electoral County sheriff Selfice, 10 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: thirteen year old Delilah Young was last seen in the 11 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: area of northwest one hundred and forty second Avenue in 12 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: Gainesville Saturday morning. Deputy says she does not have a 13 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: cell phone and she was wearing blue pajamas with white stars, 14 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: so we know what pajamas she had on, but we 15 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: don't know where she is. That doesn't make sense to me. 16 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to make sense of 17 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: what we know so far. First of all, joining me 18 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: out of Pennsylvania, high profile lawyer at Matthew Mangino, former 19 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: elected district attorney multiple terms, now defense attorney, author of 20 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: the Executioner's toll catch this the crimes, arrest, trials, Appeals, 21 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: last meals and final words of forty six people in 22 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: the US. You can find him at Matt Mangino dot com. 23 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: Renowned psychologists joining us out of the Birmingham Jurisdiction. Professor 24 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: UAB has his own blog Psychology Today. Doctor Alan Blockkey, 25 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: clinical Psychologist, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner joining me out of 26 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: Travis County, Austin, Doctor Kendall Crowns and a listen to 27 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: this Professor University of Texas, adjunct University of Texas and 28 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: at Texas A and M Medical School. It goes on 29 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: and on and on with doctor Kendall Crowns. Investigator Dan Scott, 30 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: former La County Sheriff's sergeant, thirty three years on the 31 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: fourth twenty six years with SVU. But first let me 32 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: go back to two special guests. Daphne Young joining me, 33 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: the national Chief Communication Officer at Childhelp dot org. She's 34 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: currently working on legislation to extend the Statute of Limitations 35 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: to help children and sex victims have a longer to 36 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: prosecute their cases. And she's working on going after enablers 37 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: and bystanders that stand by and let child abuse child 38 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: molestation just happen, and so many times we're stuck saying, 39 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: well it's not a crime, Well maybe it should be. 40 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: That's what Dafne Young is working on to you. Dylan 41 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: Lion Ankle and reporter w CJBTV twenty. Dylan can be 42 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: found at Dylan C Lions and on Twitter. Dylan lyons news. 43 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: That's a mouthful, Dylon Lions, And I'd love to keep 44 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: talking about you in your illustrious career. But let's talk 45 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: about this little girl. Where was she last seen alive? 46 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: That question remains unknown at this point. What we do know? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Dylon, 47 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, let everybody allow that to sink in. 48 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: Nobody can tell me the last time this child was 49 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: even seen alive. What about mommy, daddy, Grandma, Auntie's sister, teacher. 50 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: Nobody can tell me the last time she's seen alive. 51 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: I know the last time I saw my children. Let's 52 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: see here, it was about an hour ago when I 53 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: dropped him at Vacation Bible School where they are counselors. 54 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: So how can nobody know when she was last seen alive? 55 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: Family members say it was Saturday. Police report says it 56 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: was a Sunday. There's no coherency in terms of the 57 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: last day she was found or when she was reported missing. 58 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: It was May fifteenth, May fourteen, May sixteenth, We don't 59 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: We don't know for sure at what point she actually 60 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: went missing. Well, okay, Matthew Mangina, I'm sure you're going 61 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: to disagree with me, as the veteran defense attorney that 62 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: you are, but I would get everyone of those guardians, 63 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: the mommy, the daddy, the auntie, the grandma, every one 64 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: of them then to be brought right down to the 65 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: police station in handcuffs if necessary. On child neglect. If 66 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: you don't know where your child is, you are committing 67 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: a crime. It's called child neglect. Bam there, what about that, man? Gino? Well, 68 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to take them in 69 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,239 Speaker 1: handcuffs to the police station, but that's the first place 70 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: I'm going to go. You know, your thirteen year old 71 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: last scene in her pajamas, all of a sudden disappears 72 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: without a trace. I'm going directly to the home. I 73 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: want to know what the circumstances were. I want to 74 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: know when when she was last seen by the people 75 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: in her home, her guardian, her aunt, whoever, whoever is there, 76 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: what she was planning, what she was doing, what she 77 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: was talking about. I want to know the whole story, 78 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: and I want to know it immediately, because time is 79 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: of the essence. If we have a thirteen year old 80 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: that disappeared, we're working against the clock and we need 81 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: to get something done immediately. I'd like a tiny bit 82 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: of what you just said with the immediacy. But I 83 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: find it very hard to believe police didn't go straight 84 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: to the home and can't get a straight answer. But 85 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: part of what you said I believe is dead onto 86 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 1: Daphney Young. Here's the part that I don't like about 87 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: what he just said. Why our parents, mommy, daddy, aunt, grandma, 88 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: whoever's in that home. Why aren't they in handcuffs. Why 89 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: is it that when a child is the victim, somehow 90 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: it's not as bad of a crime. And I saw 91 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: this Daphney Young joining me the chief Communication officer for 92 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: the Nation for Childhelp dot Org. I strongly advise you 93 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: to go to their website, childhelp dot Org. I saw 94 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: it over and over, Daphney. You and I've discussed this 95 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: as a felony prosecutor for ten years. A thad for 96 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: three year before that. I saw it over and over 97 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: and over when the homicide victim is a baby. Oh 98 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: mommy must have had you know, postpartum depression, or daddy 99 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: got mad because baby was crying it wouldn't stop. So 100 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: that none of that justifies I murder. And very often, 101 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: well very often, I would see those offenders get the 102 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: kid loved treatment. That Matthew Maino joined me out of 103 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania is talking about why are they better than the 104 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 1: other criminals. The child is gone because of them, because 105 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: they're not doing their job. What's wrong with a pair 106 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: of handcuffs and getting all down to the police station, Nancy, 107 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: if you look at the police report, everything should be 108 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: explained away by her guardian, William says, the child was 109 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: last seen playing on the floor with her computer with 110 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: the screen up and the light's going, and you know 111 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: there's no problem. And by the way, Nancy, did you 112 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: realize she ran away a lot? You know, this was 113 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: obviously a problem child. So what you have immediately in 114 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: that statement are two very self serving comments. This is 115 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: a runaway child, perhaps a problem child, and she was 116 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: last seen doing something innocuous that any of our children 117 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: might be doing if you get a computer or doing 118 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: something or reading a book before bed, as if to 119 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: indicate when I closed the door at night, all was 120 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: well until you start to backtrack and look at the story. Well, 121 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: I don't believe that she's a problem child. She's a 122 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: child with problems, and I think I know where the 123 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: problems originate. Let me just say that the fish stinks 124 00:08:42,000 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: at the head. Absolutely crime stories. With Nancy Grace, you 125 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: get different answers from different people depending on who you 126 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: talk to as to where she is. But that you know, 127 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: I've never accused you, Daphne Young, of evading my question. 128 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: But my question is why are guardian's parents, grandmas so 129 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: forth that inflict either harm or neglect the child. Why 130 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: are they treated differently? I don't know, because the child 131 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: has the absolute least power in the world to receive 132 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: any form of advocacy, and you know everyone is so 133 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: careful tiptoeing. Now, if a parent is an innocent parent 134 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: and there's no history, no records of problem, and they 135 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: may be the victim of a criminal or crime, I 136 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: understand general treatment. But when we so often see these 137 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: parents with histories of CPF reports, with histories of calls 138 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: to the police with all kinds of problems, and it's 139 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: still this very cautious general treatment. The child certainly doesn't 140 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: get that treatment after hours or when those authorities leave. 141 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: And it is terrifying to those of us who then 142 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: do the intake on those children and see the aftermath 143 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: of wealths and bruises and battering that occurs because you know, 144 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: there was soft treatment and everybody stepped away or they 145 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: took a cursory glance at a home and said, not 146 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: too bad, despite trash and you paraphernalia out. It is shocking. 147 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: And I think it's because, to be honest, children are powerless. 148 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: They can't fight back, and so these adults abusers who 149 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: harm these children do fight back, and they do become problems, 150 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: and they do lie. And I sometimes don't know whether 151 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: it's people don't want to believe it because it's so horrific, 152 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: or whether they believe it and understand it, and you know, 153 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: talking about apathy and bystanders, and they just don't know 154 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: how to take that next step or don't care to, 155 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: and children are dying five a day. Well, I think 156 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: everybody knows how to dial nine one one. I think 157 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: everybody knows that my children knew it at age two. 158 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: You were earlier hearing Paige Beck wc JBTV twenty. Now 159 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at WKMG TV six. 160 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: The investigators are looking for a thirteen year old girl 161 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: who disappeared from an Alachua County neighborhood a week ago. 162 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: Thirteen year old Dealia Young hasn't been seen since last Friday. 163 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: At the time, she was wearing blue pajamas and carrying 164 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: a pink purse just north of Gainesville. Young is four 165 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: foot two and weighs about seventy five pounds. Anyone who 166 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: sees her is urged called nine one one right there. 167 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: That's inconsistent. Listen carefully what our friend Bridget Ellison is saying, 168 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: and this is according to an official law enforcement report. 169 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: Last saying, Dan Scott, you're the former La County sheriff 170 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: sergeant last seen in pajamas and carrying a paint purse. No, 171 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: you're not sitting in your room with the laptop open, 172 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: cross legged on the floor of the bed and suddenly 173 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: you're walking around outside with a pink purse. No, that's inconsistent. 174 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: So where was she last seen and why don't the 175 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: parents know exactly. That is not a runaway when you're 176 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: wearing pink pajamas. A good point. But back to your 177 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: other question. I've been asking that for years why aren't 178 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: child abuse cases treated like every other crime? And I 179 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: think it was hit on by some of your other 180 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: guests that we don't want to believe that someone could 181 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: do this stuff to a child, and we've got this 182 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: mental block that we as a society have to get 183 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: over because child abuse is a crime, and the parents 184 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: and whoever is committing these crimes need to be treated 185 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: like any other criminal. Whether you beat somebody up at 186 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: a bar, this is much worse to be beating a 187 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: child that has no defenses, especially you know, when they're 188 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: extremely young. Nancy, if I could interject just for a 189 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: second though, and go ahead, Matt, certainly, you know, I 190 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: appreciate that the children are vulnerable, but I think we 191 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: need to put the brakes on just for a second. 192 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: We have a missing person's report and we're gonna, you know, 193 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: the police are going to want to investigate this. They're 194 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: gonna want to talk to the people in the home. 195 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: But I don't think that that you get as good 196 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: of information is if you go there in every missing 197 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: person's case, you handcuff the people and bring them down 198 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: to the police station to talk to them. Yeah. I 199 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: didn't say every case. I said where the parents have 200 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: no idea where the child was is last time saying 201 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: where they at the mall, or they out in the yard, 202 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: were they in their room and the computer? They have 203 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: no idea because they were neglectful, right, but they do 204 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: have an idea, whether it's whether it's made up, but 205 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: whether it's a story at the police have to investigate 206 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: that she's she's last seen in her pajamas on a computer. 207 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: The report says she has a pink person she's walking 208 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: through the neighborhood. Well, you know, let's let's investigate. Let's 209 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: continue to investigate, and let's do it as quickly as possible. Okay, 210 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna go along with you, Matthew. 211 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go along with defense attorney Matthew me Gino 212 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: for a few moments. Okay, let's just go down that road. 213 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: I want to ask doctor Alan Blotkey joining me, clinical 214 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: psychologists joining me out of Birmingham. I find it very 215 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: interesting when the child is missing, the first thing out 216 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: of the family's mouth is she's a problem child. I 217 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: don't like that. That rus me the wrong way. I mean, 218 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: the whole thing smells from the beginning of a cover up. 219 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: I mean there's nothing about what they're telling you, that 220 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: telling us that makes sense. There's not a teen year 221 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: ago or girl in pajamas walking around with a pink purse. 222 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: The odds of that are so low. Yeah, Like, like 223 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: Dan Scott just said, she's not going to run away 224 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: into pajamas. I don't. And the first thing they say, 225 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: she's a problem why is it the first thing? Oh 226 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: my stars in Heaven, please help me. I gotta find her. 227 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: Where is she? And and helping? And you know another 228 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: thing this strikes me, Doctor Kendall Crown's she's thirteen, but 229 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: she's four two and she weighs seventy five pounds. Is 230 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: that normal? Yeah, she seems really kind of small for 231 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: her age and underweight. So to me, it kind of 232 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: goes along with the overall neglect's picture that she's probably 233 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: not getting fed appropriately and entreated right, also going along 234 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: with you as well, running off like that. I've seen, 235 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, I've I've seen murdered children for years and 236 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: if they always have a good story to cover up 237 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: for what they did. Definitely is that you I was 238 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: going to say, yeah, child, hope we call a little 239 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: child like that, failure to thrive. That is a classic 240 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: symptom of neglect. And when I looked at pictures of 241 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: her beautiful braids and she's posing and she looks like 242 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: she's in a better state. Later I see her hair shorn, 243 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: it almost looks like it's falling out. That's another symptom. 244 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: She just appears really bony and malnourished. And you know, 245 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: when you hear a story from the parents, Yes, we're 246 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: going to give parents as a missing child the benefit 247 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: of the down and caregivers until we start to maybe 248 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: run their last name and realize that maybe there's four 249 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: years of CPS reports from teachers, etc. Etc. Like Part 250 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: two is, within minutes you can find out that this 251 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: is not a problem child. This is a problem household. Guys. 252 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: Take a listen to page back wc JBTV twenty. It's 253 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: now I've been nine days since Delia Young was last seen. 254 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: The sherif's off as is asking people to speak up 255 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: if they know something, we can find her even sound 256 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: so if the public has seen her, even if you're 257 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: not sure. We'd rather follow up on every lead than 258 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: potentially missed something where we could locate her in a 259 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: tiny mirror and any information on delia squeabouts can be 260 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: reported to the Combined Communications Center at the Sheriff's office. 261 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: Jay back to Dylan Lions at a reporter wc JB, 262 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: that's TV twenty news. Dylan, again, thank you for being 263 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: with us. I believe you were mentioning about how long 264 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: it took them to report or missing. That's right, and 265 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: you know not only did was it crickets? We didn't 266 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: hear anything from family. You know, generally we get calls 267 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 1: every day, we get messages to our Facebook page if 268 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: there's missing family members saying can you put this out there? 269 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: There was never that cry for help, you know, Dylan 270 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: Lions wc JBTV twenty hold your horses. You said that 271 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: typically you get emails, Facebook barrage by the family. So 272 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: I guess Delia's family went on your WCJB begging for help, 273 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: holding up pictures holding up her favorite doll. I guess 274 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: they put up a command post trying to find her. 275 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: Made cheerful please went on Facebook, insta, Twitter, what was 276 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: their response when Delia goes missing? It was crickets. I 277 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: was making all the efforts to communicate with family members, 278 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: trying to get family members to go on camera to 279 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: plea for help to try to find this missing thirteen 280 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: year old who seemed to be that perfect child that 281 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: everyone depicted and you know, was unfortunately missing, doesn't know 282 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: where she is, and no family members were willing to 283 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: go on camera. It was pushed back a day, was 284 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: pushed back another day. It was always they had something 285 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: to do and they couldn't do it that day Time 286 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking about a 287 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: missing girl. She's only four two and she weighs seventy 288 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: five pounds. Delia Young in the Gainsville area. I want 289 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: to circle back to Dylan Lyons joining me from w 290 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: c JB TV twenty. Dylan, you were telling me you 291 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: kept trying to get the family to come on air 292 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: and give a public please share pictures of Delia, anything 293 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: to find her, and they kept saying they were too busy. 294 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: It was one person, Mariam Williams said, I was in 295 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: communication with. I received her number from the Sheriff's office, 296 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: but she wasn't able to ever do it at a 297 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: certain time or a certain play. And when I had 298 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: an interview schedule with her, there were crickets, no show. 299 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Page Back and our 300 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: new friend Dylan Lyons WCJBTV twinter breaking news. Right now, 301 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: Elatchua County Sheriff Steptes are exercising a search warrant for 302 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: the home we're missing thirteen year old Delia Young live. 303 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: Right now, Elatchua County Sheriff's deputies are searching the home 304 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: behind me. This is one of multiple properties that sheriff 305 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: steputies obtained a search warrm for just moments ago. Now tonight, 306 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: a spokesperson for the Elatchua County Sheriff's office told TV 307 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: twenty exclusively that they do not have a single person 308 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: of interest in this case, but deputies are focused on 309 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: multiple properties, including this one here north of Gainesville, where 310 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: the thirteen year old lived. Out to Matthew Mangino, we'renowned 311 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney in Pennsylvania, former elected district attorney, now 312 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: defense attorney and author of the Executioner's Toll, Matthew Mangino. 313 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: As much as I would like to grin that and 314 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: run with it. The reality is the first place you 315 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: should look when a child goes missing is the home. 316 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: I mean, think about John and a Ramsey. The one 317 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: room that the parents didn't search, and there's the body. 318 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: You have to look in the home first. If this 319 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: is a kidnap, there may be fingerprints, there may be 320 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: some evidence of sorts in the home that could reveal 321 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: the identity of the kidnapper. If it's a runaway, you'd 322 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: expect to find some clothes, maybe a backpack of cell 323 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: phone missing. You have to look at entry exits. You 324 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: have to look at the windows. Was a windows screen 325 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: cut from the inside or the outside? Was it broken 326 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: from the inside or the outside? Just a lot you 327 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: look at. So the search of the home where the 328 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: child was before they disappear does not indicate the families 329 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: at fault. That's SOPs to inter operating procedure, right, there's 330 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: no question. I mean, you have to act with urgency 331 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: when there's a missing child because time is of the essence. 332 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: The quicker that you can you can begin to figure 333 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: out what happened, the more likely or to to have 334 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: uh this child located. If that's in fact, uh, you 335 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: know what you have a runaway or someone who's been abducted. 336 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: But not only checking the house, I mean you need 337 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: to immediately talk to the caregivers, the aunts, the family members, 338 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: and you need to do that by separating them and 339 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: make sure that their stories are consistent and and if 340 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: they're not consistent, and if you know things you know 341 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: that that put up your antennas. You know such as uh, 342 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, inconsistent statements or or unlikely scenarios that the 343 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: thirteen year old in their pajamas with a pink purse 344 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: is going to walk out of the house and run 345 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: off with some boys. That begins to to pique your interest, 346 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: and you want to follow up on those things. You 347 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: also have to do the background. You know, what do 348 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: we know about the caregivers, what do we know about 349 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: the already, What do we know about the end, What 350 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: do we know about this child's history. You've got to 351 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: go directly to the school and find out what you 352 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: can and find out from her friends what you can. 353 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: This investigation, especially with a missing person, has to be 354 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: very expansive and has to be very quick, and I 355 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: think as you go through that process, you begin to understand, Hey, 356 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: these things aren't adding up. These stories aren't consistent. What 357 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: we know is not consistent with what they're telling us. Well, 358 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, but I still have a 359 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: little problem with what Dealing Lines just said. Pursue it 360 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: to search warrant, They search the home, pursue it to 361 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: search warrant. Why didn't the parents just the it's the aunt. 362 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 1: Why didn't you just let them in? Why do they 363 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: have to go get a search warrant? I don't like 364 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: that one bit. Cops had to go get a search 365 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: warrant for her to let them in the home. That's 366 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: why you get a search warrant, because either you don't 367 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: get permission or you don't think you're going to get permission. 368 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: But that was at the end of it. Take a 369 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,959 Speaker 1: listen to our cut five. We had searched it previously, 370 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: and due diligence, we are searching it again just to 371 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: make sure that we haven't missed anything. Lieutenant Beale says, 372 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: they want to search the property again because as they 373 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: discover new details, they're going to focus on different areas. 374 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: Anytime you're doing an initial investigation and you don't have 375 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: a lot of information to go on, you don't always 376 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: know everything that you might possibly be looking for. And 377 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: then after you've had time to gather evidence and interview 378 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,239 Speaker 1: people and get more information than sometimes you have a 379 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: better idea of some things that you should be focusing on. Now. 380 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: Neighbors told me off camera that they saw Young once 381 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: or twice and that the area is quiet. They say 382 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: one time they saw multiple children playing in a pool 383 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: in the front yard in the home. Okay, I got 384 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: a problem with that too, I say, to have a 385 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: lot of problems with this story and what I'm hearing. 386 00:24:54,760 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: The neighbors hardly ever saw Delia Young. Why not our 387 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: neighbors see our children all the time, with us walking 388 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: the dog, going for bike rides out and about. They 389 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: can hear the basketball bouncing up and down outside, hear 390 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: us playing in the yard on the trampoline. Why don't 391 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: the neighbors see or hear Delia? Well, what about it, Blocky, 392 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: doesn't that ring a red bell of alarm in your mind? 393 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 1: Of course, everything we've talked about is a huge red flag. 394 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: And again, time is of the essence, and all these 395 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: red flags are screaming or screaming, and it's just so 396 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: obvious from the very beginning that this is going to 397 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: have a bad outcome. Let me ask you something, Dylan 398 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: lyons w c JAB TV twenty at the time, was 399 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: she Delia still virtual schooling? She was. She was in 400 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: virtual school this year. Previous year. She was in a 401 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: school setting. That's a big problem because if there was 402 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: anything wrong with her, the teachers and the principal and 403 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: the teacher help her, the lunch room lady. None of 404 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: them are seeing any signs of problems. One of the 405 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: first child molestations I took to trial, I pulled up 406 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: a similar transaction twenty more than twenty years before, where 407 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: another now grown victim of the same molester came to 408 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: school with a swollen lip and a black eye. She 409 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: had been molested. Nothing was done. My point is, teachers 410 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: see this and are supposed to report it, but then 411 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: take a listen to Delia's step grandma, take a listen 412 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: where is she? If anybody knows anything, please come out. 413 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: Please let's let the authorities know that this young lady 414 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: is missing, this baby is missing. You know, I don't 415 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: know what's going on, but God keeps speaking to me, 416 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: and he keeps telling me she's gone. Well. I find 417 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: it very curious that the family had no idea. Something 418 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: was very very wrong. Take a listen to CBS four 419 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: news Land and here are according to a Sheriff's Office 420 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: arrest report, the call came in on May sixteenth. Thirteen 421 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: year old Delia Young was reported missing from this house 422 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: by her aunt, Valerie Young. Told that the child had 423 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: possibly run away and that she had been gone since 424 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: May the fifteenth. According to the arrest report, Marian Williams 425 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: showed up to the Sheriff's office Wednesday and told detectives 426 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: she knew what happened to Delia. They say she pointed 427 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: to blame at her sister. Valerie disclosed to detectives in 428 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: her interview that she witnessed Valerie Young beating Delia Young. 429 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: Now we finally have a break. A witness comes forward, 430 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: Valerie Young reportedly beating the little girl. Valerie Young is 431 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: the victim's aunt, and Marian Williams the two her sisters. 432 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: So now they're apparently pointing the finger at each other. 433 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: But at least it's a break of some sort. Dylan Lions, 434 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: we were told that Maryan Williams was the legal guardian 435 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: of Delia, but the time that Maryan Williams went to 436 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office to confess or give some point as 437 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: to which way Delia's body or where her body may be. 438 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: That's when she was supposed to be talking to me. 439 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: We have that interview set up at the exact same 440 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: time she was out the Sheriff's office confessing what she knew, 441 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: confessing that she saw the child being beaten. But it 442 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: goes beyond that. To listen to Land and here are 443 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: reports says Young used an electrical cord to beat her 444 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: niece at this house. Marian Williams saw the girl was 445 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: hurt and offered to take her to the hospital, but 446 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: the teen refused. Williams left her in her room and 447 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: that's the last time detectives say she was seen alive. 448 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: He saw her aunt, Delia Young, on the computer and 449 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: the floor of her room, you know, messing with a computer. 450 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: And then but after they went to bed the next morning, 451 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: she said she found her deceased. Deceased, Then where's the 452 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: body and why all this drama? Reporting her missing crime 453 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace straight out to doctor Kiminal Crown's 454 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, Travis County Professor, Texas A and 455 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: M Medical School University of Texas adjunct. It goes on 456 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: and on, doctor kindall crowns. Why do perhaps choose an 457 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: electrical chord? I see it over and over to beat children? 458 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: Is it because the plug in acts like a kind 459 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: of a cat of nine tail. Yeah, you know, that's 460 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: part of it. The plug in is a little more weighted, 461 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: so you can get more of a damage by hitting 462 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: someone with it, causing and flicking a fair bit more pain. 463 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: It's also a convenient. You know, plugs are usually around 464 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: the house, or extension chords, and you can loop them 465 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: and whip people that way, or you can use the 466 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: female or male end plug ins to hit people harder 467 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: with and you can also switch up and then strangle 468 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: them with it as well. So an extension chord is 469 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: a kind of a multi toool for the child beaters. 470 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: And it's also when you I'm sorry to break in, 471 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: but it's also whatever happened to you as a child. 472 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: You tend to use the same weapons children that were 473 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: beat with a don't care. Don't don't start with me, 474 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: Dan Scott about what happened to the abuser when they 475 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: were a child. I'm sorry that happened, but that is 476 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: no excuse. Oh I'm not making introducers for them at all, 477 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: but they tend to use the same weapons that were 478 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: used on the Doctor Kendall Crowns, when you were describing 479 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: an electrical cord being a preferred weapon of child beaters 480 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: just kind of rolled off your tongue. I mean, I 481 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: couldn't help but think of one of my children being 482 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: beaten by somebody with an electrical cord and it wrapping 483 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: around their legs and cutting their legs or their back. 484 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: And I mean, Doctor Kendall Crowns, how many child homicides 485 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: if you had to estimate, I mean, you've done thousands 486 00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: of autopsies. How many child homicides have you? Have you autopsied? Oh, 487 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: over the twenty years I've been doing this, probably two 488 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: or three a year, sixty seventy somewhere in there. How 489 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: does that affect you to perform a child autopsy versus 490 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: an adult? Well, so to me, all cases are tragic, 491 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: but you know, kids are especially tragic. It's sad to 492 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: see a child beaten or killed or stabbed or whatever 493 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: what have you. Because I always think that there's plenty 494 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: of people out there that were unable to have children, 495 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: and they would love to adopt that child and raise 496 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: them and love them and take care of them. So 497 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: it's to me it's a particular tragedy because a child 498 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: really can't protect themselves, and then in another situation there 499 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: would be a parent that would love them. So it's 500 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: I always think it's particularly sad when a child died 501 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: dafinitely young. Do you just still to this day die 502 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: a little on the inside when you hear a story 503 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: like this little Delia getting beaten with an electrical coordinate. 504 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: She goes and hides in our bed room and hops 505 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: on our computer or our guests to try to put 506 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: her mind in a different place. If that is even 507 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: what happened every single time, then the first time I 508 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: don't I need to turn in my resignation. I think, 509 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, we have to compartmentalize to some degree to 510 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: get the job done. But if you don't feel and 511 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: if these stories don't still impact your heart, you know. 512 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: I've been working with Sareny von from Child Help, our 513 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: founders for they've been doing it for sixty two years. 514 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: They still cry when we talk about a new child 515 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: or an entry or a child that comes into one 516 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: of our programs covered in welts like this, you know, 517 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: our heartbreaks and right now during this pandemic, we've been 518 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: so frightened. Just as you described isolation as an abuser's 519 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: best friend. So this child, this sweet little girl, was 520 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: kept away from the teachers and people that were desperately 521 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: trying to advocate for her, and she was alone doing 522 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: remote learning, like so many of these kids that are 523 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: suffering in the shadows of abuse during the pandemic. And 524 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: I think when the world opens up again and the 525 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: heroes and the teachers and the nurses and folks that 526 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: usually step up for kids as mandated reporters see, they're 527 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: going to see the welts or the scars, or the 528 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: bruises or a hair torn out. They're going to see 529 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: these kids that have been brutalized during this time. Just 530 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: to think about the world she lived in and at 531 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: home with these two hateful aunts beat her and abused her, 532 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: and she this little four to seventy five little girl, 533 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: that was where she had to live every day and 534 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: every night, and then a shock Take a listen to 535 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: CBS four. The report states both sisters then came up 536 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: with a plan to get rid of the body by 537 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: hiding it in a pink tote bag and taking it 538 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: to a separate location. According to the arrest report, Mary 539 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: and Williams told investigators that her and her sister took 540 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: the body of Delia Young down this road to a 541 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: home William's owns. She said only her and her sister 542 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: had keys. They then left the body in a bedroom, 543 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: still in that pink tote. Williams then told investigators she 544 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 1: came back the next day and saw that the pink 545 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: tote was outside, but Delia Young's body was nowhere to 546 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: be found, that she doesn't know where it is. Marian 547 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: Williams was arrested yesterday on charges of manslaughter, child neglect, 548 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: and destroying evidence. Valerie Young was arrested today on similar charges, 549 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: as well as aggravated child abuse. M Well, have you 550 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: ever noticed, and let me go to you psychologist, doctor 551 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: Alan block Key, when criminals start telling their stories, they 552 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: might ease one or two pieces of hual truth. And 553 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: here we see the pink topebag. Remember at the beginning, 554 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: there was there was a report, I guess originating from 555 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: them that she had on her pj's and had a 556 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: pink toad or a pink pocket book. Yeah, when they 557 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: tried to dispose of her body. Uh, what a horrible 558 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: end to the story. I mean, I just wanted to 559 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,439 Speaker 1: make one of the comment when when they when when 560 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: Marian reported that Delia refused to get medical care? Come on, 561 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: are you kidding? Yeah? I agree? I agree, lie after 562 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: lie after lie right right for every truth? There were 563 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: five lives. Now take a listen to Marion Williams crying. 564 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: That was Marion Williams making her first court appearance. I 565 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: don't want to hear her crying. Carrying on now she's crying. 566 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: She wasn't crying when this child was being murdered. The 567 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: body ultimately was found. Let me go out to you, 568 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: dill Alliance, where it was little Delia found. It was 569 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: found off one of the county roads, in a lot 570 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,879 Speaker 1: to a county year, not far from the homes that 571 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: Mariam Williams and Valerie Young electric Las lived in. And 572 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: it was just apparently what we're hearing, dumped in a tree. 573 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: To you, doctor Kendall, Crown's Chief Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, 574 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: Travis County, Austin. How will that affect determining cause of death? 575 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 1: It was three weeks in the elements before Delia was found, 576 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: so depending on how much the body is decomposed. It 577 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: can obscure injuries, hemorrhaging, things of that nature. But what 578 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: it can obscures fractures. As long as there's still skeletal remains, 579 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: you can still find the fracture with skulls, the ribs, 580 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: the longbones, etc. But as the body decomposes more and 581 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: more the internal injury, like damages to the organs, will 582 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: be obscured by decomposition. So the further out you get, 583 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: the less you're going to be able to tell with 584 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: the tissue injuries, but will always be able to determine 585 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: injuries based on the scale system. What's the very last 586 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: on these two demons from hell? Take a listen. The 587 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: grand jury determined there was enough evidence to charge the 588 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,720 Speaker 1: sisters accused of killing thirteen year old Delia Young. Marian 589 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: Williams and Valory Young are now both indicted on charges 590 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 1: of first degree murder, child neglect, giving a false report, 591 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: and resisting arrest. Delia was reported missing in May. Her 592 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: body was found later discarded in a field. Williams, her guardian, 593 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: was arrested after confessing to believes that Delia was dead 594 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: and then accusing her sister, Valerie of beating the girl. 595 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: No bond was issued. Sometimes I feel like there is 596 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: no justice and I pray to God I am wrong. 597 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,720 Speaker 1: Good Bye friend,