Speaker 1: I'm tired of my freaking sleep problem. It's one more thing,
Speaker 1: one more thing. Is this a self explanatory?
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go to the man that braided my
Speaker 2: hair while I was sleep on a plane. I need
Speaker 2: you to come forth immediately, you.
Speaker 3: Said, directly behind me.
Speaker 2: Some people might say, how did you let somebody braid
Speaker 2: your hair? First of all, when I get on a plane,
Speaker 2: I don't sleep.
Speaker 4: I hibernate.
Speaker 2: I remember specifically, I'm sleep on the plane and I
Speaker 2: hear and I said, who is taking pictures? And when
Speaker 2: I wake up, it's literally right in my ear. That's
Speaker 2: where I found the braid. Don't touch people while they're asleep.
Speaker 1: It's weird. Woman went to sleep on the plane and
Speaker 1: somebody braided her. She's asleep, and she's unhappy about it
Speaker 1: and wants them to come forward. Okay, man, you're a
Speaker 1: sound sleeper, is all I take from that.
Speaker 5: I would wake up if somebody looked at me on
Speaker 5: a plane at all. I can't sleep plane to begin with, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: well I can't.
Speaker 4: That's why you can't sleep in a bed.
Speaker 1: I know. That's now I'm gonna get sidetracked on the
Speaker 1: sleep this thing again. But so all the stuff about
Speaker 1: you can't look at your phone, you can't eat this,
Speaker 1: or all the things you gotta do. Then why can
Speaker 1: I sleep like a baby on a plane or in
Speaker 1: the afternoon, I stare at my phone for like eight
Speaker 1: hours before I lay down for a nap and go
Speaker 1: sound asleep. Or on a plane, I mean a comfortable
Speaker 1: position on a plane, I've been looking at my phone
Speaker 1: for hours.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got strangers all around.
Speaker 1: I've taken no melatonin or magnesium or any of those things.
Speaker 1: I go sound asleep. So it can't be those things,
Speaker 1: can it.
Speaker 4: I don't have any idea. That's really interesting. Set o questions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I've I've done this to myself where I've
Speaker 5: stressed myself out enough about not sleeping that I can't sleep.
Speaker 4: True. True, I've finally achieved these zen like ability to
Speaker 4: not do that took me years years.
Speaker 1: Or even the coffee thing. I go home for a nap,
Speaker 1: I've been drinking coffee all morning and I go to sleep.
Speaker 4: So fall in coffee.
Speaker 1: All the things you're not supposed to do that are
Speaker 1: supposedly keeping me up at night, and you go sound asleep.
Speaker 1: There's something different. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. A doctor might say, well yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: no no, you can't sleep at night because you do
Speaker 4: all those things. Then you finally crash with such exhaustion.
Speaker 4: You sleep in the day, which makes it harder to
Speaker 4: sleep at night. Follow my eight point plan, you'll slumber
Speaker 4: like a baby. But why wouldn't it reverse at some point?
Speaker 4: I don't You can't sleep for your nap, but you
Speaker 4: fall asleep at night. Well right right, I try and
Speaker 4: try to nap, but I just can't. Never had that problem. Yeah,
Speaker 4: what is that? I don't know. It's something emotional, brain chemistry.
Speaker 4: E obviously true you lay down for a nap, or
Speaker 4: maybe you're nocturnal. Is there a certain percentage of the
Speaker 4: population that is meant to be taken possum?
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say Jack's opossum.
Speaker 4: A little bit. My daughter, Kate, my oldest, is uh.
Speaker 4: She's one of those people who will live Keith Richard's hours,
Speaker 4: left her own devices.
Speaker 1: Me too, I know, I am. I just have a
Speaker 1: job that doesn't allow it. The one time in my
Speaker 1: life where I could sleep whenever I wanted to is
Speaker 1: I was working at ups late at night and allowed
Speaker 1: my hours to just be I never said an alarm clock.
Speaker 1: I'd go to sleep at like four in the morning,
Speaker 1: and I'd wake up around noon on my own. Only
Speaker 1: time I've ever been well rested in my life and
Speaker 1: not wishing I could lay down immediately was when I
Speaker 1: was sleeping from four am to noon. It was fantastic.
Speaker 1: I think I've just built for that, and you either
Speaker 1: are you aren't. And if you're not in that cycle
Speaker 1: that you're built for, then you're just perpetually unhappy. I think.
Speaker 4: It's such a critical pillar of health. You'd think there
Speaker 4: would be more known about it and everybody would know it.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't be nearly as mysterious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how is all the stuff that they prescribe to help?
Speaker 5: It's like, I can't take that because I will be
Speaker 5: a mess the next day, probably because of these hours.
Speaker 4: But okay, here you go, all right, according to AI,
Speaker 4: which would never make a mistake. Yes, some people are
Speaker 4: naturally more inclined to be night owls or nocturnal, meaning
Speaker 4: they have a preference for staying up late and waking
Speaker 4: up later due to a genetic predisposition that affects their
Speaker 4: circadian rhythm.
Speaker 1: And like a lot of things in society. We apply
Speaker 1: character to people who get up early naturally and go
Speaker 1: to bed early, even though they might just be built
Speaker 1: that way, right, Like, they're better people than those of
Speaker 1: us who would rather stay up late and sleep till noon.
Speaker 4: Although for all of human history, with very few exceptions,
Speaker 4: you had to get up in horror and be done
Speaker 4: by the time the sun went down. So so we
Speaker 4: developed morality around practical reality.
Speaker 1: Could be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, humans have different sleep wake are chronotypes, which range
Speaker 4: from morning larks to night owls. You call me a
Speaker 4: morning lark. We're fighting. Yeah, I like girls.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit. It's a bit of a dandy
Speaker 1: kind of term.
Speaker 4: Yeah it is. Yeah, Genetic and environmental factors factor in.
Speaker 4: All right, let's check out this whole morning larks thing
Speaker 4: or night owls.
Speaker 1: I never sleep as well as I do at one
Speaker 1: thirty in the afternoon.
Speaker 4: Let me accept all the cookies. I really enjoy cookies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm the same way Jack. I can lay down
Speaker 5: and take a nap and I'm out. Tell me to
Speaker 5: go to bed at a reasonable hour, right, So just
Speaker 5: gonna lay there.
Speaker 1: Here's the question for any doctor out there, then, So
Speaker 1: why does the staring at a smartphone or drinking caffeine
Speaker 1: or whatever not apply to that sleep. That's the question
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 5: And I know that it's crap because I don't look
Speaker 5: at my phone in bed, so that's not the issue here.
Speaker 4: Wow, so this is interesting. I was hoping they had
Speaker 4: a whole list of your various birds you're supposed to be.
Speaker 4: I guess this is an interesting insight. Though such diversity
Speaker 4: may have benefited our ancestors. Having people who are naturally
Speaker 4: inclined to sleep at different times may have increased the
Speaker 4: likelihood of survival for hunter gatherer tribes.
Speaker 1: Right, that makes perfect sense. Or saying you want me
Speaker 1: to be the night watchman, no problem, I'm going to
Speaker 1: sleep during the day.
Speaker 4: Who will protect us at night? Oh, lazy jack. Of course,
Speaker 4: they wouldn't have had a value judgment.
Speaker 1: They'd say.
Speaker 4: They would probably call you Sees at night or something
Speaker 4: some groovy Indian name or just the owl they'd call you,
Speaker 4: and you'd be no, like, I got your back. Everybody's slumber. Well,
Speaker 4: just don't be eff and bothering me in the morning
Speaker 4: when y'all are going after the analoge.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, we'll call in Joe the lark.
Speaker 4: Right, I've got this one.
Speaker 1: My Indian name would be bald man with murder face.
Speaker 4: Hmmm, grumbles with anger is awake?
Speaker 1: Yeah, who wants to work third ship?
Speaker 3: Have you know?
Speaker 1: Watching the castle gate? Happy to do it. I'll go
Speaker 1: to sleep at five in the morning when the sun's
Speaker 1: coming up, and sleep till about doing the afternoon.
Speaker 4: Right, and people would be very grateful to have you know,
Speaker 4: a certain number of your type in the tribe. That's
Speaker 4: got to be it. Well, there you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just wired that way and you're screwed.
Speaker 4: Let's let's uh, you know, take the baton from well,
Speaker 4: I couldn't do this from Jim Bohannon and doing all
Speaker 4: night to talk show. We'd rule the airwaves. Truckers would
Speaker 4: enjoy our show. Of course, you do a podcast whenever
Speaker 4: the hell you want.
Speaker 1: Back back when that used to be a thing. It's
Speaker 1: not really anymore, but back when that used to be
Speaker 1: a real thing in the radio industry, I thought that
Speaker 1: would be the perfect job for me alone in a room,
Speaker 1: taking calls, talking about stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh, it sounds like a nightmare.
Speaker 1: In the middle of the night. Oh, I would have
Speaker 1: loved that. It doesn't fit in with much of a
Speaker 1: raising kids sort of a lifestyle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see. So there's I was lucky that I
Speaker 4: got to run the experiment that one time when I
Speaker 4: was working at UPS that that sleep pattern.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was so awesome. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: set an alarm for like nine months, the only time
Speaker 1: I've ever in my life felt well rested.
Speaker 4: So here's a professor of sleep medicine at the University
Speaker 4: of Oxford says, the variation in sleep patterns is simply
Speaker 4: how genetics works. It mirrors the differences in hair, eye,
Speaker 4: and skin color height. Quote, It's a bit like any
Speaker 4: other biological characteristic. There's a normal distribution. So there are
Speaker 4: people on both extremes and the majority of people are neither.
Speaker 1: Well, why isn't this talked about more than applying these
Speaker 1: rules of well that you're looking at your smartphone too
Speaker 1: much and you need to take magnesium and all these
Speaker 1: different things, as opposed to well, you're a late night person,
Speaker 1: so you're going to struggle with it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: try to figure out how to get a nap.
Speaker 4: Isn't the first thing you should do is establish what
Speaker 4: chronat type you are.
Speaker 1: Obviously, my dad clearly is a guy that is built
Speaker 1: because he's done this his whole life, and he's well rested.
Speaker 1: He goes to bed it like nine at night and
Speaker 1: gets up before in the morning. Mm.
Speaker 4: Because he's got more character than you.
Speaker 1: Well that's the way it's been applied. Yes, but it
Speaker 1: worked perfect for his job.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow, I think we've we've had a real breakthrough here. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I would like we need to publish a peer reviewed papers.
Speaker 4: Anybody have any idea how you get started on that?
Speaker 1: First? We need to find peers. Other talk show hosts, right,
Speaker 1: make genital jokes? Is that our peers?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Oh my, back to genitals.
Speaker 6: You know, the best sleep I get, believe it or not,
Speaker 6: is in a dental chair. I don't know if you
Speaker 6: guys ever fall asleep, that's the n No. No, I
Speaker 6: can if I get my teeth cleaned, I fall asleep
Speaker 6: in the chair.
Speaker 1: There's an just there. Do you know? I don't think
Speaker 1: you understand what goes on with surgery? Then what that
Speaker 1: mask they put over your mouth just to put you asleep?
Speaker 4: You wake up in your belt is on?
Speaker 6: I don't know why, just saying well, I guess that's it.
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I'm you sleep at the dentist?
Speaker 4: Yeah, during like cleanings. Yeah, during cleanings.
Speaker 3: The hell Okay.
Speaker 4: I just count the tenths of seconds as they crawl by.
Speaker 1: Does they make that sound with the scraper on your teeth?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I am just continuously wiping the sweat off the
Speaker 5: palms of my hands.
Speaker 1: While sleep like a baby. Mm hmmm, you know it
Speaker 1: puts me to sleep. A prostate exams, man, I'm out
Speaker 1: like a like afterwards.
Speaker 6: Yeah, ants and grab all this is good stuff.