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Speaker 1: I'm tired of my freaking sleep problem. It's one more thing,

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Speaker 1: one more thing. Is this a self explanatory?

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go to the man that braided my

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Speaker 2: hair while I was sleep on a plane. I need

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Speaker 2: you to come forth immediately, you.

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Speaker 3: Said, directly behind me.

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Speaker 2: Some people might say, how did you let somebody braid

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Speaker 2: your hair? First of all, when I get on a plane,

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Speaker 2: I don't sleep.

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Speaker 4: I hibernate.

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Speaker 2: I remember specifically, I'm sleep on the plane and I

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Speaker 2: hear and I said, who is taking pictures? And when

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Speaker 2: I wake up, it's literally right in my ear. That's

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Speaker 2: where I found the braid. Don't touch people while they're asleep.

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Speaker 1: It's weird. Woman went to sleep on the plane and

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Speaker 1: somebody braided her. She's asleep, and she's unhappy about it

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Speaker 1: and wants them to come forward. Okay, man, you're a

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Speaker 1: sound sleeper, is all I take from that.

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Speaker 5: I would wake up if somebody looked at me on

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Speaker 5: a plane at all. I can't sleep plane to begin with, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: well I can't.

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Speaker 4: That's why you can't sleep in a bed.

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Speaker 1: I know. That's now I'm gonna get sidetracked on the

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Speaker 1: sleep this thing again. But so all the stuff about

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Speaker 1: you can't look at your phone, you can't eat this,

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Speaker 1: or all the things you gotta do. Then why can

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Speaker 1: I sleep like a baby on a plane or in

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Speaker 1: the afternoon, I stare at my phone for like eight

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Speaker 1: sound asleep. Or on a plane, I mean a comfortable

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got strangers all around.

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Speaker 1: I've taken no melatonin or magnesium or any of those things.

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Speaker 1: I go sound asleep. So it can't be those things,

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Speaker 4: I don't have any idea. That's really interesting. Set o questions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well I've I've done this to myself where I've

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Speaker 5: stressed myself out enough about not sleeping that I can't sleep.

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Speaker 4: True. True, I've finally achieved these zen like ability to

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Speaker 4: not do that took me years years.

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Speaker 1: Or even the coffee thing. I go home for a nap,

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Speaker 1: I've been drinking coffee all morning and I go to sleep.

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Speaker 4: So fall in coffee.

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Speaker 1: All the things you're not supposed to do that are

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Speaker 1: supposedly keeping me up at night, and you go sound asleep.

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Speaker 1: There's something different. I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. A doctor might say, well yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: no no, you can't sleep at night because you do

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Speaker 4: all those things. Then you finally crash with such exhaustion.

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Speaker 4: You sleep in the day, which makes it harder to

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Speaker 4: sleep at night. Follow my eight point plan, you'll slumber

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Speaker 4: like a baby. But why wouldn't it reverse at some point?

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Speaker 4: I don't You can't sleep for your nap, but you

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Speaker 4: fall asleep at night. Well right right, I try and

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Speaker 4: try to nap, but I just can't. Never had that problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: what is that? I don't know. It's something emotional, brain chemistry.

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Speaker 4: E obviously true you lay down for a nap, or

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Speaker 4: maybe you're nocturnal. Is there a certain percentage of the

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Speaker 4: population that is meant to be taken possum?

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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say Jack's opossum.

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Speaker 4: A little bit. My daughter, Kate, my oldest, is uh.

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Speaker 4: She's one of those people who will live Keith Richard's hours,

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Speaker 1: Me too, I know, I am. I just have a

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Speaker 1: job that doesn't allow it. The one time in my

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Speaker 1: I was working at ups late at night and allowed

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Speaker 1: my hours to just be I never said an alarm clock.

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Speaker 1: I'd go to sleep at like four in the morning,

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Speaker 1: time I've ever been well rested in my life and

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Speaker 1: I think I've just built for that, and you either

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Speaker 4: It's such a critical pillar of health. You'd think there

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't be nearly as mysterious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how is all the stuff that they prescribe to help?

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Speaker 5: It's like, I can't take that because I will be

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Speaker 4: But okay, here you go, all right, according to AI,

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Speaker 4: which would never make a mistake. Yes, some people are

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Speaker 4: naturally more inclined to be night owls or nocturnal, meaning

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Speaker 1: And like a lot of things in society. We apply

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Speaker 1: that way, right, Like, they're better people than those of

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Speaker 1: us who would rather stay up late and sleep till noon.

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Speaker 4: Although for all of human history, with very few exceptions,

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Speaker 4: by the time the sun went down. So so we

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Speaker 4: developed morality around practical reality.

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Speaker 1: Could be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, humans have different sleep wake are chronotypes, which range

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Speaker 4: from morning larks to night owls. You call me a

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Speaker 4: morning lark. We're fighting. Yeah, I like girls.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit. It's a bit of a dandy

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Speaker 4: Yeah it is. Yeah, Genetic and environmental factors factor in.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's check out this whole morning larks thing

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Speaker 4: or night owls.

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Speaker 1: I never sleep as well as I do at one

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Speaker 4: Let me accept all the cookies. I really enjoy cookies.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm the same way Jack. I can lay down

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Speaker 5: and take a nap and I'm out. Tell me to

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Speaker 5: go to bed at a reasonable hour, right, So just

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Speaker 1: Here's the question for any doctor out there, then, So

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Speaker 1: why does the staring at a smartphone or drinking caffeine

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Speaker 1: or whatever not apply to that sleep. That's the question

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Speaker 1: I have.

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Speaker 5: And I know that it's crap because I don't look

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Speaker 4: Wow, so this is interesting. I was hoping they had

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Speaker 4: a whole list of your various birds you're supposed to be.

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Speaker 4: I guess this is an interesting insight. Though such diversity

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Speaker 4: may have benefited our ancestors. Having people who are naturally

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Speaker 1: Right, that makes perfect sense. Or saying you want me

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Speaker 4: Who will protect us at night? Oh, lazy jack. Of course,

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Speaker 4: they wouldn't have had a value judgment.

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Speaker 4: They would probably call you Sees at night or something

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Speaker 4: some groovy Indian name or just the owl they'd call you,

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Speaker 4: and you'd be no, like, I got your back. Everybody's slumber. Well,

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Speaker 4: just don't be eff and bothering me in the morning

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Speaker 3: And then yeah, we'll call in Joe the lark.

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Speaker 4: Right, I've got this one.

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Speaker 1: My Indian name would be bald man with murder face.

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Speaker 4: Hmmm, grumbles with anger is awake?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who wants to work third ship?

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Speaker 1: Watching the castle gate? Happy to do it. I'll go

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Speaker 1: to sleep at five in the morning when the sun's

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Speaker 4: Right, and people would be very grateful to have you know,

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Speaker 4: a certain number of your type in the tribe. That's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just wired that way and you're screwed.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's uh, you know, take the baton from well,

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Speaker 4: I couldn't do this from Jim Bohannon and doing all

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Speaker 4: night to talk show. We'd rule the airwaves. Truckers would

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Speaker 4: enjoy our show. Of course, you do a podcast whenever

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Speaker 1: Back back when that used to be a thing. It's

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Speaker 1: not really anymore, but back when that used to be

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Speaker 4: Oh, it sounds like a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: In the middle of the night. Oh, I would have

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see. So there's I was lucky that I

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was so awesome. Yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 4: So here's a professor of sleep medicine at the University

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Speaker 4: how genetics works. It mirrors the differences in hair, eye,

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Speaker 1: Well, why isn't this talked about more than applying these

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Speaker 4: Isn't the first thing you should do is establish what

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Speaker 1: Obviously, my dad clearly is a guy that is built

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Speaker 1: because he's done this his whole life, and he's well rested.

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Speaker 1: He goes to bed it like nine at night and

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Speaker 4: Because he's got more character than you.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the way it's been applied. Yes, but it

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow, I think we've we've had a real breakthrough here. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I would like we need to publish a peer reviewed papers.

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Speaker 4: Anybody have any idea how you get started on that?

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Speaker 1: First? We need to find peers. Other talk show hosts, right,

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Speaker 1: make genital jokes? Is that our peers?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Oh my, back to genitals.

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Speaker 6: can if I get my teeth cleaned, I fall asleep

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Speaker 1: There's an just there. Do you know? I don't think

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Speaker 1: you understand what goes on with surgery? Then what that

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Speaker 4: You wake up in your belt is on?

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Speaker 6: I don't know why, just saying well, I guess that's it.

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Speaker 1: What's that?

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Speaker 3: I'm you sleep at the dentist?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, during like cleanings. Yeah, during cleanings.

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Speaker 3: The hell Okay.

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Speaker 4: I just count the tenths of seconds as they crawl by.

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Speaker 1: Does they make that sound with the scraper on your teeth?

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Speaker 1: While sleep like a baby. Mm hmmm, you know it

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Speaker 1: puts me to sleep. A prostate exams, man, I'm out

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