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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our Bar.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex barrs that's because of

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Speaker 1: Brandon Staley. Doesn't matter how he's designing it, the situation

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Speaker 1: he's putting them in bad.

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Speaker 2: I knew we were gonna go here, So yeah, because.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna come on and defend the worst coach

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Speaker 1: in the league, because it's not gonna do that. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna let you do that, he says that. And

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 2: You didn't let me do that. That's that's fair. And

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Speaker 2: I look Brandon Staley's defense shout out the New England

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Speaker 2: Patriots last week. I don't know if you knew that, Alex,

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Speaker 2: that that happened. Worst coach in the league pitched a

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Speaker 2: shutout on your home turf.

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Speaker 1: How's that feel? Oh, he didn't coach a very good game?

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Speaker 1: How's that feeling? I would say, how did he not

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Speaker 1: coach a very game? Good? Gave me one. The offense

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Speaker 1: put up six points with one of the best quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in the league and the top wide receiver. I was

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Speaker 1: not impressed by Kellenore. Yeah, we'll talk about it. I

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Speaker 1: was not impressed by Kellen Moore. Uh the the you

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Speaker 1: got me in a corner here, I did because he

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Speaker 1: beat the Patriots. He made a lot of bad He

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Speaker 1: made a lot of bad in game coaching decisions. The

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Speaker 1: game plan was good, and Khalil Mack was great, and

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Speaker 1: I think he's gotten a ton out of Khalil Mack.

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Speaker 1: But that challenge on the like the deflected passage, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing, dude? The hell's going on?

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Speaker 2: Even if it was deflected, it has to be so

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Speaker 2: obviously deflected get overturned.

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Speaker 1: Intellectual consistency. Do you remember what was the gamer I

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Speaker 1: think was the Dolphins game? Is the Eagles was one

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Speaker 1: of the first games of the year where Bill challenged

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Speaker 1: a fourth down spot call. Yeah, And I came on

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Speaker 1: here and I said, even if he's right, you don't

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Speaker 1: challenge that because it never ever gets overturned. Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 1: Deflected at the line unless the guy bats it straight

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Speaker 1: down and they miss, it never gets overturned. Yeah. That's

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Speaker 1: this is what Brandon Staley does though, every time, every

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Speaker 1: single time, because you wanted to get me wound up

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Speaker 1: to start today. Every single time Brandon Staley is in

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Speaker 1: that corner and it's it's about to be it, he

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Speaker 1: pulls one out and saves his job, buys another three weeks,

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Speaker 1: he pulls it in. It doesn't it lined up perfectly

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Speaker 1: for him to pull one out here, and now he's

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Speaker 1: probably gonna make it through the season. And I guess

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens in the offseason. But that roster

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Speaker 1: is so talented, can we please get them some real leadership.

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Speaker 2: The Chargers are one of those teams and this is

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Speaker 2: not Chargers Catch twenty two. So we'll get to the

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Speaker 2: Patriots in a second, but the Chargers are one of

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Speaker 2: those teams that does tend to get hot down the stretch.

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Speaker 2: And this is what always saves Brandon Staley or you know,

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Speaker 2: the guys before him, jobs, right, is because down the

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Speaker 2: stretch they'll win like five straight games where they'll they'll

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Speaker 2: catch some breaks and they'll play a Patriots team that

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Speaker 2: stinks and you know all this other thing, and all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, they're they're nine to eight and they're

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Speaker 2: going to the playoffs, right, And that's the Chargers in

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Speaker 2: a nutshell. But it's Evan Lazar. It's Alex Barth with

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Speaker 2: you for the next couple hours here on Patriots Catch

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Speaker 2: twenty two Full house here today, full house. We have

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Speaker 2: all three shows on our radio airwaves. We have Catch

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Speaker 2: twenty two unfiltered playbook, Scott Zolax, and the other studio

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Speaker 2: next door here doing ninety eight five. A little crossover

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Speaker 2: for you, Alex. You know you got your brethren over there,

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Speaker 2: so full studio for Marine Matt, who is running around

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Speaker 2: like a crazy person right now. And we will give you, Alex.

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Speaker 2: I'm giving you three minute. You can you narrow Army

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Speaker 2: Navy down in three minutes? Five we'll see, We'll see

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Speaker 2: five minutes on Army Navy at the end of the show.

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Speaker 2: All right, I think it's only fair. Okay, it is

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Speaker 2: only fair. Good company man over here. I'm gonna we

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Speaker 2: can talk about Army Navy for five minutes. But here

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Speaker 2: I want to start with the Patriots. I do want

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Speaker 2: to start on a positive note. And if you want

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Speaker 2: to call in eight five to five PATS five hundred

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Speaker 2: web radio at Patriots dot com, we can talk draft,

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Speaker 2: you can talk big picture. I know that's what it's

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Speaker 2: and give us a call and we'll talk about all

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Speaker 2: of it. But I want to start about this Chargers

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Speaker 2: game and look back as we always do, and I

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Speaker 2: intellectual consistency. Yeah, I did not come on here after

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Speaker 2: an actual good performance to crown somebody, right. I don't

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Speaker 2: New York Giants last week two weeks ago. I guess,

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Speaker 2: now throw in some bad throws, you know, some misreads,

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Speaker 1: The Giants, And I think we said that that next time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Colts too. I thought in a lot

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Speaker 2: You know, he drops it right, And there was drops

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Speaker 2: But in this game, I thought that the Patriots defense

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Speaker 2: all season long. They were really tied together on the

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Speaker 2: plan for Keenan Allen and it was nice to see

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Speaker 2: a Belichick defense take out a number one receiver and

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Speaker 2: And this Charger offense is that to a tea. Keenan

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Speaker 2: an excellent job of forcing Justin Herbert to beat them

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Speaker 2: But I thought the strategy they executed the game plan

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Speaker 2: Wanted to do was get him unsettled in the pocket,

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Speaker 2: Keenan Allen's not there. I have to hit number two,

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Speaker 2: I also I'm more and more coming towards the take

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Speaker 2: of I would like to see girod Mayo back next

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Speaker 2: if they hire let's just use a name Ben Johnson

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Speaker 2: next season with the Patriots. And I look at how

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Speaker 1: Yeah know, these guys are still playing with a ton

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Speaker 2: And that I think talking to players, the conversations I've

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Speaker 2: he's the alpha in the room. Like he's he walks

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Speaker 1: Are are in.

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Speaker 2: They respect him, they respect him, they respect him, they're

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Speaker 2: And I also think there's a lot of guys in

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Speaker 2: you want to put good habits together because he might

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Speaker 2: be the one making the roster decisions on this team

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Speaker 2: I think that there's really something to be said for

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Speaker 2: keeping the leadership on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 2: because clearly, the way those guys are playing, there's not

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Speaker 2: they're playing for each other, they're including too game plans,

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Speaker 2: and they're keeping them in games right now. Because this

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Speaker 2: the only reason why they're even close to competitive in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think some continuity on the defense would be fantastic.

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Speaker 1: On the defensive coaching staff, I think with the unit,

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Speaker 1: you're pretty much gonna have everybody back, right because Josh

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Speaker 1: as well as the defense a whole, have played. You

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Speaker 1: say Josh Ucha has been a big part of it.

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Speaker 1: I would not say Kyle Duggar has been involved. But

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Speaker 1: I thought this was one of Douger's best This was

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Speaker 1: one of his better games. But you could just as easily,

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Speaker 1: I think move on from him, played Jabrill Pepperer's in

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Speaker 1: the box, get a true free safety and have similar results.

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Speaker 1: And that's not me saying get rid of Kyle dugger

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying, like, if they do, Anthony Jennings I

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Speaker 1: cost a lot of money, So you're gonna have the

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Speaker 2: the outside and Bailey Zappi just chucking it to Devonte Parker.

433
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Speaker 2: Like that's not NFL offense. I forget about all of

434
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Speaker 2: Like the screens on third down. No team in the

435
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Speaker 2: NFL right now runs more screens on third and long

436
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 2: than the Patriots. When the Patriots get into third and ten,

437
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 2: they don't even try to throw the ball downfield. They're

438
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Speaker 2: just screened to DeVante Parker.

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Speaker 1: And let's is that a third and ten thing? Or

440
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Speaker 1: like how many teams throw more screens on second down

441
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Speaker 1: or on first down? They just throw a lot of screens.

442
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's situation depended. Well, I mean, I'm

443
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Speaker 1: just telling you that. I no, no, no, I believe it.

444
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Speaker 1: But I'm telling you I bet if you you said

445
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Speaker 1: that's on third and ten, I'm telling you, look up

446
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Speaker 1: third and four, or look up second in six, or look.

447
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Speaker 2: They probably as many screen passes as anybody in the les.

448
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Speaker 2: But the point being that on third down, yes, the

449
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Speaker 2: fact that they're throwing that many screens and anything that's

450
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Speaker 2: basically above third and five, they've just can they just

451
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Speaker 2: cancede those downs? They can see them. Their offensive line

452
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Speaker 2: play is once again an issue. It was an ische

453
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Speaker 2: who against the Colts. I thought it was okay against

454
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Speaker 2: the Giants, and now it's an issue again this week.

455
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Speaker 2: I don't know who was out there at right tackle

456
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Speaker 2: that was not Mike.

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Speaker 1: It was worst game of the year. I mean, look,

458
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Speaker 1: Khalil Matt found a time machine or something, because let's

459
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Speaker 1: tip our captical. And this isn't to excuse Michael Winnu.

460
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Speaker 1: We did not have a good game, but yeah, you

461
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Speaker 1: know those guys get paid to tip our capta. Khalil

462
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: Mack he had a great game, but you can't have

463
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Speaker 1: that kind of performance for Mike and Winnu and and win.

464
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Speaker 1: That's what you were getting from you know, Calvin Anderson

465
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Speaker 1: and Vederian Lowe early in the year, and we saw

466
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Speaker 1: how that went. And if on when who's gonna play

467
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Speaker 1: at that level, they're gonna have massive problems. On O'Brien.

468
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, I it it feels like maybe

469
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Speaker 1: his offense at its core was too complex. Yeah, and

470
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Speaker 1: he's over corrected. And we heard the reports over the

471
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Speaker 1: summer after Bailey's appy was cut that part of the

472
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Speaker 1: issue is he couldn't comprehend Bill O'Brien's offense. And I

473
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Speaker 1: think that's probably what you're seeing the results of that now,

474
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Speaker 1: where O'Brien can't necessarily run what he wants to run. Yeah,

475
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Speaker 1: because you know, not to cut you off.

476
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Speaker 2: But to that point, Mac was so broken that that

477
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Speaker 2: was out out the window. Towards the end with Mac

478
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: right and they're running this lance and the screens and

479
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 2: the two man concepts down the field because Mack was

480
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: mentally just broken. And now they've gone to a quarterback

481
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Speaker 2: and Bailey Zappi who probably just mentally can't handle that,

482
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: regardless of how his poise and all the things that

483
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: we talked about with Matt.

484
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Speaker 1: And this isn't too. I don't. That's not to excuse

485
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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien. The point is last year with Matta Patricia,

486
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Speaker 1: it's not so much like, yeah, he criticized Matta Patricia individually.

487
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Speaker 1: But the bigger point, and this I think this got

488
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Speaker 1: across the sum it didn't get across to all, was

489
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Speaker 1: you have a guy who doesn't know what he's doing. Yeah,

490
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Speaker 1: in the role he was a defensive coach. Bill O'Brien

491
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Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. He's an offensive coach. He should

492
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Speaker 1: be able to figure out and he's a good one.

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Speaker 1: He should be able to figure out a happy medium

494
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Speaker 1: between an offense that only Tom Brady could handle mentally

495
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Speaker 1: and the Madden playbook. There should be some sort of

496
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Speaker 1: happy medium between there, and it just he just jumped

497
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Speaker 1: from one to the other. And that's what you're seeing now,

498
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: is it's just it there. You're you're almost back to

499
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Speaker 1: the offense Patricia is running where there aren't a ton

500
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Speaker 1: of route can it times up better? Like some of

501
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: the logistical issues aren't there. But you're not seeing route combinations.

502
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: You're not seeing set up plays and shot plays. It's

503
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Speaker 1: just they're calling simple concepts to call simple concepts. There's

504
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: no rhyme or reason to any of it. There's no

505
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Speaker 1: play sequencing. It's again like you just it's like Madden.

506
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Speaker 1: There's three plays up there. You press x, A or B, right,

507
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Speaker 1: and that's what it is. They're going shark wheel, or

508
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: they're going four verts, or they're going like any pick

509
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Speaker 1: a Madden plane.

510
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Speaker 2: I there's not another offense in the NFL, and I

511
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Speaker 2: I watch is not to like toot my own hard,

512
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Speaker 2: but I watch a lot of offensive football. You know,

513
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Speaker 2: I watched the three offenses a week, right, because I

514
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: watched the Patriots offense. I watch the opponent's offense, and

515
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 2: then I watch the next opponent's offense. Right, so I'm

516
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: watching four, I guess because I'm watching the other opponents offense.

517
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Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a second, because you know,

518
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Speaker 2: we have to revisit something about about last week, about

519
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 2: the Steelers opponent on offense last week week. Think about

520
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: it for a second and come back to me. Oh yeah,

521
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Speaker 2: So the big thing I watched four offenses a week.

522
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Speaker 2: I do not see another offense in the NFL at

523
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Speaker 2: this level of football doing two things one play action

524
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Speaker 2: from under center with two go routes on the outside.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

526
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Speaker 2: That's the whole concept is just two go routes and

527
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 2: just Bailey Zappy. You pick which go route you like better.

528
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's where the safety is tilting, or maybe you

529
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Speaker 2: just like that matchup a little bit better, and we're

530
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Speaker 2: just gonna throw a jump ball to DeVante Parker. That

531
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: doesn't exist elsewhere in the NFL. The NFL is a

532
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: speed in space league now, and scheme is related to space.

533
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: Everything that gets designed in the league now is about

534
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: getting fast guys the ball in space and not in

535
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Speaker 2: just taekwar Thornton, just run a nine and see what happens. Right,

536
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Speaker 2: We're talking about actually scheming up opportunities to run into

537
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Speaker 2: space and to run into pockets around the field. The

538
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: other thing, in the second half of this game, Bill

539
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: O'Brien was calling plays at the line of scrimmage from

540
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: the sideline college style. He had Bailey Zappy go to

541
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Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. O'Brien was doing all of the

542
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: pre snap stuff for Bailey ZAPPI like, bailey'sz Appy go

543
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: to the line of scrimmage. And then you were, you

544
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: know in college when all eleven guys look over to

545
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: the sideline and they're holding up the boards.

546
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: Next.

547
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: I thought that they were going to bring out white boards.

548
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: Rant about this the other day, it was funny, So

549
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: I thought they were going to bring out boards for

550
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: a second offense. Yeah, or that's literally what, Well, you

551
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: can't clap in the NFL, But that's beside the point.

552
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: That's the clap in the.

553
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Speaker 2: NFL is a fall start, I noticed, But it looks

554
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Speaker 2: so that that's where we were at in the second half.

555
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Speaker 2: And Bailey Zappi's individuals and just in terms of his

556
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: quarterback play was better than what they were getting from

557
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: Mac Jones at the end, simply because he wasn't a

558
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: puddle and he wasn't turning the ball over like crazy.

559
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: Right.

560
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: But with that being said, if they go out there

561
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Speaker 2: against Pittsburgh tomorrow night, and I get it's a short week,

562
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: so it's it's a difficult week to add more to

563
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: Bailey Zappi's plate. But if they go out there tomorrow

564
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: night against Pittsburgh and they run the same offense that

565
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: they did against the Chargers, I seriously think that with

566
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: the ten days in between games, you have to consider

567
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: going back. I do because this is this is high

568
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: school like they're running this offense down at Foxburg.

569
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Speaker 1: Okay, well where's Millie Cunningham? Because I think we all thought,

570
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Speaker 1: all right, Bailey ZAPPI will be able to move the

571
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Speaker 1: ball better than Mac Jones because of what you said,

572
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Speaker 1: like he's not broken. Yeah, but I think everybody got excited. Okay,

573
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Speaker 1: and then they'll put Millie Cunningham in when they need

574
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Speaker 1: to change it up and when they need that kind

575
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Speaker 1: of spark, and they never did it. So I think

576
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Speaker 1: that goes to your point of, all right, if you

577
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Speaker 1: want to run the same offense, fine, run the and

578
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Speaker 1: I think they're going to run the same offense, and

579
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel, but I'm expecting it.

580
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: Can Can I get a Milie Cunningham option play mixed

581
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: in there at least to provide a spark or something.

582
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Speaker 2: I think that's the part that is also so crazy

583
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: about the Molik thing, is that this offense is so

584
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: stripped down that he could run this offense like, oh yeah,

585
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 2: so Malie Cunningham can't throw a slant like he could ease.

586
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Speaker 1: He wasn't practicing a quarterback for a month and a half,

587
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: so who knows where it's going.

588
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: But he could easily run this offense from like a

589
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: mental like somatic standpoint. Yes, he was doing more honestly

590
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: from a dropback perspective at Louisville. And so it just

591
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: this is two years in a row now we're having

592
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Speaker 2: the same conversation about how the offense is not NFL caliber,

593
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: it's not designed like an NFL offense, it's not executed

594
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: like an NFL offense, and they don't have a quarterback

595
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: that's an NFL starting quarterback. And at some point you

596
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: have to have people that are held accountable for this.

597
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: And I know technically Matt Patricia was held accountable for

598
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: what happened last year, but in general, it goes, it goes.

599
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: It's higher up than Matt Patricia at this point. And

600
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: I know we're all pointing at the same guy because

601
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: it's his football operation.

602
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: Yes he said, but it's all you put that responsibility

603
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: on me. I forget the exact words, but something, and

604
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Speaker 1: it just I can't watch it anymore.

605
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: I can't watch I can't watch a high school offense

606
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: in the NFL. I can't watch receivers that can't get

607
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: open and the one guy that can't get open and

608
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: Taekwan Thornton drops the ball when he does get open.

609
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: And they have three guys running routes in this offense,

610
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: and Parker, Juju Smith Schuster and Hunter Henry that wear coverage.

611
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: They are constantly covered, and the only option for the

612
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: quarterback is just to throw into a tight window and

613
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: hope the guy makes a play on the ball, whether

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00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: it's a jump ball down the field or it's a

615
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: dig route over the middle.

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Speaker 1: And you saw that.

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Speaker 2: You know, the one play that was almost intercepted that

618
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Speaker 2: Bailly zappy through in that game was because he had

619
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Speaker 2: to throw a tight window pass to Devonte par Is,

620
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: very very similar play in concept to the pick that

621
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Speaker 2: Mac threw against the Commanders at the end of the game.

622
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: And this is just what we're doing over and over

623
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: and over again. And if they don't completely revamp that

624
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: side of the football, then I don't know what we're

625
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: doing here, or I really seriously don't understand what we're

626
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: doing here. It's frustrating to watch it. Just I can't

627
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: do it anymore. I can't continue to pull up film

628
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: on this offense and watch them look like an absolute

629
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: joke on that side of the football. And it has

630
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: to be put that way, because it's that it's that strong,

631
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: like they are the worst offense in football. They're the

632
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: worst offense in the league. Like, at least with the Panthers,

633
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: you see these individual flashes with Bryce Young, where Okay,

634
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Speaker 2: if they put this kid in a better situation and

635
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: they put some things around him, like, he'll be okay.

636
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's ever going to be better

637
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: than CJ. Stroud And they might have made the wrong

638
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: pick there, but he's did. But he's going to be

639
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: better than what he's shown so far in the league. Sure,

640
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: they don't have any semblance of that. They have no hope.

641
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: Bryce Young provides the Panthers with hope if they hire

642
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: a good offensive coach, he'll be fine. If Patriots don't

643
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: have any sort of hope. And I think with Bailey Zappy,

644
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: just to wrap it on this, Bailey z Appy played

645
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: better than Mac in a lot of ways because I

646
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: have the reasons I mentioned, but there's still so many

647
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: instances where you just notice that arm, talent, physical ability,

648
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: it just it's not NFL starting caliber, and he has

649
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: some he's got some good footwork and like ability to

650
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: get out of pressure and like he's a decent mover

651
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: and Max got cement feet, Like Mac gets stuck at

652
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: the top of the drop and and just kind of

653
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: hangs there and that's why he gets killed. Sometimes Bailey

654
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: Zappy can move around a little bit, but he doesn't

655
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: have any ability to throw off platforms.

656
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: So him moving around is what does it do?

657
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: You He can scramble like he did not on that

658
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: third down, but if he moves around and then he

659
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: has to make a throw on the move. He saw

660
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry wide open coming across the field on that

661
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: throw early on in the game, and he throws it,

662
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: you know, three yards behind him. Like, he doesn't have

663
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: the arm talent to make something happen once he gets

664
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: outside the pocket. So that that's a big issue with him,

665
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: that's holding him back. I also thought some of the

666
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: decisions that he made, some of the jump balls that

667
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: he threw, there was probably better options on some of

668
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: those plays, you know, shorter options, intermediate options. But in general,

669
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: like there's there's just so many times where he gets

670
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: out of the pocket. You know, there's one play in

671
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: particular I'm thinking of where he gets out of the

672
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: pocket and Juju Smith Schuster notices that he gets out

673
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: of the pocket and he's he's running and Juju Smith

674
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: SMIs Schuster just turns up the field and runs down

675
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: the sideline and he's behind the defense and he's wide open.

676
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: But Bailey Zappi doesn't have the arm talent to get

677
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: the ball there, so he ends up just throwing the

678
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: ball away. And I don't kill him for throwing the

679
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: ball away because it's the right decision, and for him,

680
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: that's the right decision. But if you have a quarterback,

681
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: you know the other guy on the other side, justin

682
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: Herbert throwing a sixty yard touchdown on that play, and

683
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: and those types of things are just what's holding the

684
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: offense back a little bit. The fourth down play, now

685
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry, at the end of the game, Hunter Henry's

686
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: open in the middle of the field. Yeah, But because

687
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: Bailey Zappi doesn't have the arm talent to roll to

688
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: his right and then off platform just flick it to

689
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: the middle of the field to Hunter Henry, he's got

690
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: to reset the pocket. He moves to his right, gets

691
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: his feet set again, and then throws the ball. And

692
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: by the time he does that, the windows closed and.

693
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: It's too late.

694
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: Those are the little plays that would this offense be

695
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: averaging thirty yards a game, thirty points a game with

696
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: the better quarterback. No, but those are the types of

697
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: plays that you see on the film that get left

698
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: on the field because they don't have a quarterback that

699
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: can make those types of throws. And that's why we're

700
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: talking about Caleb Williams and Drake May and Jaden Daniels

701
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: and all these other guys, because those guys can make

702
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: those types of throws.

703
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, No, absolutely agree with you. I thought again, Zappi,

704
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: his pocket presence was good. I thought his ability to

705
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: extend plays was good. But he could extend the play

706
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: in the pocket, he couldn't necessarily do anything once he

707
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: extended it. Yeah, and he also didn't sense pressure in

708
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: like he would sense it well in the pocket. But

709
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: there were times where I think he was surprised by rushers.

710
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: The arm talent you mentioned look like. I think he's

711
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: competing to be the backup next year, which you need

712
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. Again, we talked about they have a

713
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: laundry list. If you know, all right, Bailey's happy, He's

714
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: going to be our backup. Good, good, That's that's one

715
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: less thing you have to worry about but yeah, I

716
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: just thought as a whole uh not not a ton

717
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: there to look at, and you're like, wow, this is

718
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: like so different, this is so much better. So no,

719
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't at all. All right, let's do something. There

720
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: was something else you were talking about early with Parker

721
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: something and I forget what. I was gonna just say,

722
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: he's never open. I don't remember. No, it's something about

723
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: like the something about throwing a silent. I don't remember whatever.

724
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: I'll say it on Patriots p later. Oh good, thanks, good,

725
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: good plug though, good pump. Let's do plug this show

726
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: on there all the time.

727
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: Let's see down and then we'll get to the calls

728
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: and the emails and everything and open it up to

729
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: you guys. So let's start with ups, because you know

730
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 2: we're a positive show.

731
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: We started on a positive note. We're complimenting sandwiching this

732
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: game right now. No, we started with me ripping Brandon Staley.

733
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's still a complim in sandwich because it's

734
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: not Brandon Sale is not the Patriots head coach. So

735
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: all right, let's start with the ups. My number one up.

736
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: I combine both these guys because I thought that they

737
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: were both really good in this game. I agree with

738
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: you that long term free safety is still a big need. Yeah,

739
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: and they've had their issues covering the deep part of

740
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: the field this year. But Jabriel Peppers and Kyle Dugger

741
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: both played a really good game in this one.

742
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: You thart Jalen Mills in there as well.

743
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, he was good to Jabriel Peppers and

744
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger played great game passing off stuff down the

745
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: field that kept the top on the defense extremely well

746
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: against a really talented quarterback that can throw the ball

747
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: and chuck it eighty yards if he wants to. They

748
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: made impact plays near the line of scrimmage. Both those

749
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: guys were really good in coverage in this game though,

750
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: and I think that's something that hasn't always been the case,

751
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: especially for Dugger this year, playing a lot more center

752
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 2: field and things like that. They had a really high

753
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: level rep in the high reds on the one time,

754
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: or it was kind of it was the twenty yard line.

755
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: The league doesn't count that as the red zone. The

756
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: twenty yard line.

757
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's inside, it's inside the twenty So

758
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of like how twelve am comes before eleven

759
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: fifty nine am. That sort of thing. Sure, yeah, it does.

760
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,959
Speaker 1: Think about twelve am comes before eleven fifty nine, does it? Yeah? What? Yeah?

761
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: What do you mean comes before?

762
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: Oh?

763
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.

764
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: Because you think you go eleven fifty nine twelve. Well

765
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: he does these things to me and I just like

766
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: have to think of that. I don't know, No, I

767
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: get you now. It's why people, these militaries.

768
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: They had this this play from the twenty yard line

769
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: that I put in after further review that I really loved,

770
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 2: where you know the number They have a three by

771
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: one side and the number three receiver on the inside slot.

772
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: He runs a deep over route and Jabriel Peppers and

773
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger pass off the deep over. Jabrill Peppers leverages

774
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: it from the other side of the four may and

775
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: then Kyle Duggar falls off his original assignment and gets

776
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: into the seam window to Keenan Allen and uh Justin

777
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: Herbert had to throw the outside fade on Jonathan Jones

778
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: and Jonathan Jones it breaks the pass up right like that,

779
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: Those types of plays of just exchanging guys in the

780
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: deep part of the field and understanding where the threats

781
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: are they weren't necessarily doing that at a high level.

782
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: I thought against the Colts and the Giants this game,

783
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: they did it at a really high level. Both those

784
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: guys played a little little d MAC back there. You know,

785
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: they were both really good in this game. I would

786
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: just add in Peppers. I was glad to see him

787
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: play start, play most of the game.

788
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: We know that guys have kind of ended up in

789
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: the doghouse at times this year, and good to see

790
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: because of the mic up, because of the mike thought.

791
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: They good to see that that's not not that I

792
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: thought it would be. But you get the confirmation there

793
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: that that's not so. I thought that was good.

794
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, who's your first up or I know

795
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: you don't put it in order like I asked you to.

796
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was the safeties. I thought all

797
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: the safeties played very well. I guess I'll throw I'll

798
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: throw in Miles Bryant too. Yeah, he couple competitive plays

799
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: against Keenan Allen, which is not a good matchup for him. Again,

800
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: let's stop putting five nine corners on guys that are

801
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: six three. I know they don't have a ton of options,

802
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, I thought Miles Bryant was also very

803
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: competitive in this game. I did too.

804
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: Miles Bryant was my second up and I hope people

805
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: are gonna kill me for this because of the last

806
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: play of the game, and he's always there when these

807
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: big plays happened. He was in really tight coverage on

808
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: that play and it's a really good throw. I'm sorry, Like,

809
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 2: just go watch it. His hand is like in the

810
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: passing lane extended and like the ball just kind of

811
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: grazes right past his hand and into Alex Erickson's lap.

812
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: Like it's just a great throw by a great quarterback.

813
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: He was involved in so many different coverage calls on

814
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen in this game, whether it was man to

815
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: man against Keenan Allen, like you mentioned, you know, they

816
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: played a decent amount of cloud coverage where they had

817
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: a guy above Keenan Allen and below him, you know,

818
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: high lowing him to take him out of the progression.

819
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 2: And nine times out of ten, the guy underneath Keenan

820
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: Allen was Miles Bryant. You know, he wears a lot

821
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: of different hats in this defense. He covers a lot

822
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: of this defense. He plays a lot of different roles.

823
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: He's in one of the toughest spots to play in

824
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: the league, Like nickel in the NFL is the hardest

825
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: position to play on defense in my mind, because you

826
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: have to cover inside, outside, you have to zone, you

827
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: have to man, you have to run fit like, you

828
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: have to do so many different things from that spot

829
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: that it's becoming I don't know if like the league

830
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: is sort of they're not reflecting it in terms of

831
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: what guys are making quite yet, but I think defensive

832
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: coaches that understand defensive football at a high level are

833
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: understanding that having a good nickel or star or whatever

834
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 2: you call it in your defense is probably one of

835
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: the most important positions on the defense to fill. And

836
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: for those reasons, Miles Brian is one of those guys

837
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: that has the intelligence on a football IQ level to

838
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: wear all those different hats. So I'm not trying to

839
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: sit here and tell you that Miles Brian's good in

840
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: man coverage. He gets beat a lot in man coverage.

841
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: I get that, and that's a weakness of his game.

842
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: But the fact is that they asked him to do

843
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: so many different things and he does them all at

844
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 2: a decent competitive level. And in this game he was

845
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: he was really good. I know he got beat on

846
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: the last play of the game. In my mind, that

847
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: play was a really competitive play that the quarterback just

848
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: made a really good throw on. And I'd also say,

849
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: like if they stop him, does it like the Patriots

850
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: offense was going to score anyways? Like the game was over,

851
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 2: Like the Patriots offense was in the in the hole

852
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: and the game was over.

853
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Who else you got, Well, I'll just say it. I've

854
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: said it before on Miles Brown. I'll say it again,

855
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: like he plays a valuable role for the defense. Sometimes

856
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: I think they make that role a little too big.

857
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: But like you said, he's asked to do a lot

858
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: of things and he does most of them. Well, yeah,

859
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna be weird to have an offensive player,

860
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: but I thought Ezekiel Elliott, you know, had a big

861
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: workload playing hurt with Ramandre Stevenson out, and he was good.

862
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: He looks like kind of like classic Zeke. He's the

863
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: play he made where Zappi overthrows him on the screen,

864
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: which overthrew him on a screen, But Zappi overthrows him

865
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: on a screen. He goes out, bubbles the ball, catches

866
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: it quickly, gets his head around recognize the defender drags

867
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: two guys for the first down. Like, that's awesome play.

868
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: That is awesome running back playing. I know you're a thing.

869
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: Their running backs are interchangeable. Most running backs do not

870
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: make the play Ezekiel Elliott made on that screen, and

871
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: you would say, well, they lost the game anyway, what

872
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: does it matter? No, No, In a functional offense, that

873
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: kind of play helps. He's he's stunk in pass protection though, Okay,

874
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: that's fair, but I just he was really bad and

875
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: pass They need to run the ball. They need to

876
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: be running the ball, and he still looks like he

877
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: can run it. I know a lot of people are

878
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: seeing him and they're like, hey, like, bring him back

879
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: next year and he'll help. I don't know that it's

880
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: just that easy that you're getting him back next year

881
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: for like one year three million. I think it's going

882
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: to be in demand next year. I think there's gonna

883
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: be teams that want him.

884
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: There's definitely a lot more juice with Zeke as a

885
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 2: ball carrier than I than I thought there was good

886
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: going to be. And I like the signing. I praised

887
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: the signing at the time. I thought it was a

888
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: solid signing in pass protection. You know, Simon blown on

889
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: the Derwin James sack.

890
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: Everybody plew No, it was just him. There's like his

891
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: guys to point at him.

892
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's his responsibility, like they it's his guy,

893
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: all right, fair what you're saying. And then he got

894
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: ran over on another one that he get like literally

895
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: just got run over. Yeah, so that was tough. But

896
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: I agree with you. As a runner and as a

897
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 2: ball carrier. On screens, he's been a really good screen back,

898
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: like one of the best in terms of efficiency on screens.

899
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 2: As much as we rag on all the screens, slip

900
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: screens to Zeke Elliott has been a thing. Yeah, yeah,

901
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: I agree, all right, last one for me, you hold

902
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: Austin Eckler to under two yards per carry. I gotta

903
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: give a shout out to Von Godshaw. I thought Devon

904
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: Gohaw was really good in this game. I talked to

905
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: him after the game. Major Callahan did as well. I

906
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 2: thought his comments were super candid and like, finally somebody

907
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: on defense is just calling a spade of spade and saying, look,

908
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: we're doing our thing on this side of the football

909
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: and we can't score and that's why we're losing games,

910
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: and it's a very fair criticism of the team. He

911
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: was great in this game. You single block Devon Godshaw.

912
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 2: It's he wins almost every time in the run game,

913
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 2: double teams holding up on the double teams their ability

914
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: to stop the running. This game was big. It really

915
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: turned the Chargers into a one dimensional team in a

916
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: rainy conditions and put the game on the receivers to

917
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: make catches for Herbert, which they obviously couldn't do. So

918
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: I really liked that game there. They're the best run

919
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 2: defense in the NFL, for whatever that's worth, like being

920
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what being the best run defense in

921
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: the NFL is worth in twenty twenty three, but DVA

922
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: number one in the league. Yeah, epa number one in

923
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: the league. They have the best run defense in the league.

924
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: And if you're the nose tackle the best run defense

925
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: in the league, then you deserve some credit.

926
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'd agree with you on that anymore.

927
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a long list on the other side,

928
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: So let's let's do that number one down for me.

929
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: I love Mike on win Who. I love Mike on

930
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: winn Who. He's a good football player. This was his

931
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: worst game I've seen as a patriot for him, this

932
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: was his worst game I've ever seen. I don't know

933
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: if he was not feeling well, like there's that like

934
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: bug going around the locker room. I don't know if

935
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: something was going on with him. So I have that

936
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: that looked more like Vederian Lowe at right tackle than

937
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: it did Michael on Winne, which is shocking to me.

938
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 2: I think the one the one thing that if we're

939
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: just calling it as we see it and not thinking

940
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: about any of the off field health related things that

941
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 2: could have been going on with him, and just saying

942
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: he was healthy, he was one hundred percent, and he

943
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 2: just stunk. I think the one thing that stood out

944
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: was that Cleil Mack used a lot of like inside out,

945
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: like crossover type moves on him, and I think Khalil

946
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: Mack on film probably said, if I can get him

947
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 2: into some space and get him to have to move

948
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: his feet and redirect and slide with me, you know,

949
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: he's a guard and he's not going to be able

950
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: to mirror me all the way out there. So Khalil

951
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 2: Mack was running rushing from like a seven or even

952
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: sometimes almost a wide nine technique and he was just

953
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: getting Mike on Wenny on this island, and then he

954
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: has like a two way go on him at that

955
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: point and on when he just didn't have the foot

956
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: speed and the direct change of direction skill to be

957
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: able to mirror him inside and outside. So Clif Mack

958
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: took his lunch money like, there's no doubt about that

959
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: season high five quarterback pressures allowed by on Wnu, gave

960
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 2: up a sack, probably should have given up another sack,

961
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: but Bailey Zappy was able to dance out of it.

962
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: This was a tough watch for on Whenu and certainly

963
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: one that gives you pause about is he a tackle?

964
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: You know, we've had that conversation last week. I don't

965
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 2: know if he's a tackle. After this game. He's gonna

966
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 2: get t J. Watt tomorrow night.

967
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so see if he bounces back. We'll see if

968
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 1: he bounces back. Yeah, I know he didn't. He didn't

969
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: play well. My number one down was the offensive coaching staff,

970
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: and we already talked about a lot of this. I

971
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: thought the game plan was vanilla. We didn't see Malie

972
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: Cunningham in the game, which I thought was questionable. The decision,

973
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: I guess this is coaching staff as a whole just

974
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: not offensive. And I know people are gonna be like

975
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: they're trying to lose their tank and they're all about

976
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: the tank. No they're not. Bill O'Brien is not. This

977
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: was supposed to be his chance to reset himself after

978
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: a rough year at Alabama and get back in the

979
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: head coaching position. They get the ball two and a

980
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: half minutes to go inside their own twenty. You got

981
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: to go, you gotta go, you gotta go down. You

982
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: can win the game of the touchdown. They're huddling up.

983
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: They ran the ball on three of the first five plays.

984
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: They were just letting that think tik tik t tktik

985
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: tick until they get around midfield and now all of

986
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: a sudden, there's like a minute left, Oh we gotta go,

987
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: and they have Bailey Zappy throwing down the field, which

988
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: is not a recipe for success. Three and completions in

989
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: a row to end the drive. Mind blowing, Mind blowing

990
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: that they were as casual as they were at the

991
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: end of that game. No, I do not believe they

992
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: are in on the tank. That's not really how anything works.

993
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: So I just that Cunningham all of it. We covered

994
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: a lot of it. At the beginning. I didn't think

995
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: the offensive coaching staff was good in this game.

996
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, all right. Number two for me, I'm

997
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: combining both left tackles, Trent Brown and Connor McDermott.

998
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: That's fair. Both of them are terrible in this game.

999
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: They're just done offensive line. You really want to because

1000
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: the interior guys were kind of good, okay, Yeah, it's okay.

1001
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: Cole Strange I thought was okay. David Andrews I thought

1002
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: was really good in this game.

1003
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: And they had one miss blocked, the one run on

1004
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: third down where he pulls and he just ran right

1005
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: by the guy. Oh no, well that was Cold Strange.

1006
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: So I always operated, you know the stuff I say

1007
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 2: this on PU all the time. I always operate under

1008
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: the assumption that David Andrews is always right.

1009
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: That's fair, you know what.

1010
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: Honestly, So, okay, David Andrews pulls Cold Strange. It's a pinpoll, right,

1011
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: the guard's supposed to pin the guy inside so that

1012
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: Cold Strange can pull out in front of it. It's

1013
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: a pinpole sweep and uh and Cold Strange didn't pin.

1014
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: So so the one text, okay, just comes right through

1015
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: and I'm just the mental mistakes. I really feel this

1016
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: way about This is supposed to be about the tackles.

1017
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: I'll get back to the tackles just really quick. I

1018
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 2: really feel this way about Cold Strange physically, physically, technique, wise,

1019
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: play strength. His film is better than it was as

1020
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: a rookie. He's gotten better he has. If he doesn't

1021
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 2: figure out the mental issues in terms of assignments and

1022
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: and things like that, he's not going to make it

1023
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: long term as a starter in the league. He right now,

1024
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: the biggest thing holding cold Strange back is is the

1025
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: mental side of the game. He's not seeing it fast

1026
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: enough and he's not reacting to it fast enough. He's

1027
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: getting baited out of gaps because guys are flashing in

1028
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 2: front of him and things like that. If he can

1029
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: figure out how to get himself buttoned up in that respect,

1030
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: he's going to be a starting guard in the NFL.

1031
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: He just isn't there yet on the tackles. Conor McDermott's

1032
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: Conor McDermott. He is who he is. He's not a

1033
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: starting tackle in the NFL. We know that Trent Brown

1034
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: at this point, like the given f factor with Trent

1035
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: Brown is a problem. I don't know how much Trent

1036
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: Brown is pulling on the rope anymore. At two and ten.

1037
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: Now it's starting to get cold, you know, like it's

1038
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: starting to get late in the year, bumps and bruises.

1039
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 2: He's got the ankle, he's back on the injury report

1040
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: with the chest injury. Now it's a hand or whatever hand,

1041
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 2: whatever it is. I think at this point with Trent Brown,

1042
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: and I mean this as a person that's defended him

1043
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: in the past, he has playing time incentives. He has

1044
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: game day roster bonus is in his contract. If he

1045
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: plays a certain amount of games, he's gonna get paid.

1046
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 2: That's where his head's at. He's he's getting himself to

1047
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: a point where he's active in the game so that

1048
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: he can hit his roster bonuses. Because the way that

1049
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: he's playing is like a guy that doesn't give an

1050
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: f Like he just let Khalil mack on on the sack.

1051
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: He didn't even get out of his stance. He just

1052
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: let Cleil Mack run right around him. And it just

1053
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: is not competitive. We talked about this last year Draft

1054
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: one Sign one, all the offseason shows we did about

1055
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: the tackles. They're right back to square one with the

1056
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 2: tackle position. They need two new tackles, yep and sick

1057
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: good good good planning, by the.

1058
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: Not a good I say all the time. Tackle is

1059
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: one of the toughest positions to add in the NFL.

1060
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: Adding a tackle I don't know, Evan, would you agree

1061
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: with me on this. Adding like a like a starting

1062
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: caliber tackle, whether that means a guy who can start

1063
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: in the draft or like a free agent who not

1064
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: Riley Reef, not Calvin Amerson, like this guy is going

1065
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: to start for us is the second biggest under taking

1066
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: for an NFL team in an off season, behind quarterback.

1067
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: It's tough because I would argue it's easier to get

1068
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 1: a starting caliber wide receiver and as a starting calendar.

1069
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean definitely, just because of the supply

1070
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: at this point.

1071
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: So you now have to add a quarterback, which is

1072
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: the biggest, the toughest position to add, yep, a tackle,

1073
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: which is the second toughest, and then a tackle again,

1074
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: which is the second toughest, and then you also have

1075
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: to deal with the wide receiver position somehow.

1076
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, the tackle spot's a big issue. And

1077
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: you look across the league. This is one thing I

1078
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: know Badard is said on your station a lot, and

1079
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: I agree with his point here. If you look across

1080
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 2: the league at the best offenses, you know, Philly, San Francisco, Detroit,

1081
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: all those offenses are built up front, like they all

1082
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 2: have great offensive line play. And if you don't fix

1083
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 2: the offensive line going into next year, and you put

1084
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: Drake May behind this current offensive line, I know he's athletic.

1085
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: I know he can move around and get sped up,

1086
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: he's gonna. Yeah, we're going to be back in that.

1087
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: They can draft any quarterback they want. If you're putting

1088
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: them behind Calvin Anderson and Darian Lowe is your two tackles,

1089
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: we're gonna be right back here in three years.

1090
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: Yep. No quarterback is immune to getting sped up. None,

1091
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: all right. Some of them recover better than others, but

1092
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: none's immune to it.

1093
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: So I got a couple more, all right. I put

1094
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: Bailey's appy on here. Yeah, we already kind of. It

1095
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: just wasn't good enough. It just wasn't good enough. DeVante Parker,

1096
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 2: DeVante Parker, you are supposed to be a contested catch guy.

1097
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: That's why you're here.

1098
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: Can you win eighty twenty?

1099
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: So he was he was targeted five times in this

1100
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 2: game he made one out of five twenty percent.

1101
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: What, yeah, he has like five catches.

1102
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about the contested, contested catcher jump ball

1103
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: down the field. He made that one back shoulder catch

1104
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: along the sideline.

1105
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: That's twenty percent.

1106
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: That's eighty twenty in the wrong direction. He's never open.

1107
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 2: I think he never gets actually open. Everything is in

1108
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: a contested, tight window for the quarterback. And he doesn't

1109
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: even make the jump ball catches either. He had one

1110
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 2: along the sideline, and I get it's raining, everybody's dropping passes,

1111
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: but it just goes right through his hands, like it's

1112
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: right on his hands and it goes right through his hands.

1113
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 2: I can't these receivers. I mentioned Juju and Henry in

1114
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: this category as well earlier on the show. Those guys

1115
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: just absolutely wear coverage.

1116
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: There was a chart yesterday somebody put out on Twitter.

1117
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to pronounce this, but it's

1118
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: one of those this is your kind of thing, and

1119
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: it's separation against the routes routes against single coverage, like

1120
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: percentage of routes against single coverage and facing separation facing

1121
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: single coverage is the other axis. I guess we can't

1122
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: really show. Devonte Parker's faced more routes against single coverage

1123
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: than anybody in the league, and he's gotten open less

1124
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 1: than probably four or five guys.

1125
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: He's sitting there in the top patch. I've seen the chart.

1126
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: I will also on the chart side note Tomorrio Douglas.

1127
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: The only guys getting open more than Tomorrow Douglas against

1128
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: single coverage. Garrett Wilson, Mike Evan's, Justin Watson, Tank Dell.

1129
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you get some positive, uh, but with DeVante Parker,

1130
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: you know, they they x iso him all the time. Yeah,

1131
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: he's X receiver. They put him on his side of

1132
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 2: the formation, they x iso. They get that press man

1133
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: one on one and he can't get open. Whether it's

1134
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: a slant, whether it's a go, everything's contested. Everything's always

1135
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 2: you know, close to an interception as it is close

1136
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: to a reception. It's inefficient, bad, archaic, thirty years ago

1137
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 2: type of offense like that. That's what that is. And uh,

1138
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 2: they they need to upgrade that spot. Yeah, he can't

1139
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 2: be the ex receiver. He's probably gonna be here because

1140
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: they paid him. Yeah, but I don't know what that's

1141
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: gonna look like. Uh, definitely.

1142
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: You know, a couple of people here wanted DeAndre Hopkins

1143
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: in that role, and a couple of people pretty good,

1144
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: but a few I heard about. Yeah, it's and Zabie

1145
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: clearly likes him. Zapie clearly likes.

1146
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: Him because so I thought about this last year against Cleveland,

1147
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: for I think it was the opening drive of the game,

1148
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: zap threw him a jump ball and Parker made like

1149
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: a ridiculous contested catchka And ever since then I think

1150
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: he has this like confidence.

1151
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: Just gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah, So Parker is gonna get

1152
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: more chances here down the stretch and we'll see what

1153
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: he does and maybe he turns it around. But Zappi

1154
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: and Parker also had that comment during the week to

1155
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: Chris Price of The Boston Globe that Zappi throws the

1156
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: more zip in match Jones, which was interesting. So those

1157
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: two guys clearly there's some sort of chemistry there. What

1158
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: it's going to amount to, I am is what it is. Wow,

1159
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: team employee. Yeah, I didn't think Parker was shot. It

1160
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: was very good. I thought, I don't know, I didn't

1161
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: think he was terrible, No, but he definitely Wasn't it fine? Okay,

1162
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was terrible, but like I going

1163
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: into the game.

1164
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 2: He wasn't terrible, but it just was like, you're here

1165
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: to make those types of catch.

1166
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: And it's it for me. It was more and I

1167
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: didn't know the number about the contested catches. Soon just

1168
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: said that that kind of reframes my point. But it

1169
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: was more like you knew going in Zappy liked him.

1170
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: He was besides Jacobe, who was just it was the

1171
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: function of the offense Bailey's. Appy targeted DeVante Parker last

1172
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: year more than anybody else, and he targeted this year

1173
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: in the games he came into more than anybody else.

1174
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: When Parker was still in the game. Yeah, it's like

1175
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: you're the X receiver. You're you're the number one. He's

1176
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: the number one receiver right now with Kendrick born Ow,

1177
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: he's the number one. He's that guy. Like you said,

1178
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: he's the X. It's like, dude, you're it's your job

1179
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: to win the game. It's your job to take this

1180
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: young quarterback and hold his hand and lead him through

1181
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: this game. And he just he didn't do enough of that.

1182
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: The one that really bothered me was the one on

1183
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: the sideline where and he was out. It was the

1184
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: right call, Like he rolls over the defender in his

1185
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: foot like body can this is supposed to be an

1186
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: elite body control wide receiver. Yeah. He also dogs it

1187
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: on the route, so that was gonna be my thing.

1188
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: I just think overall put more effort into that play.

1189
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: That was when where I was like, he's not really

1190
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: like he supposedly really likes Bailey's appy. Okay, you want

1191
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: this guy to remain the starter, go all out for him,

1192
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: play for him. There were all these people who were saying, oh,

1193
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: the team hates me, They're gonna play so much harder

1194
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: for Bailey Zappy. I didn't didn't see it for Parker.

1195
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah no, not to just playing yard for a mact.

1196
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: But I didn't see it for Parker, so I was happy.

1197
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 2: I was reluctant to put Taekwon on this list because

1198
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 2: as as unfortunate as the deep ball was and he's

1199
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 2: got to improve his ball skills there, as unfortunate as

1200
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: that drop was, I was reluctant to put him on

1201
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: the list because he was like the only guy all

1202
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: game long that actually got open a little bit.

1203
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: Just in terms of watching the film, I.

1204
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: Put up like a kind of a little clip of

1205
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: you know, thirty seconds of some routes that he ran

1206
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: in the game. I thought that he was opened like

1207
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: four or five times down the field and probably could

1208
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: have had a pretty big game if the ball had

1209
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: found him, if he had made the catch. I think

1210
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 2: you're looking at a guy when you add what was it,

1211
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: thirty nine yards on the end around if he catches

1212
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: the deep ball, like he might have had over one

1213
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: hundred yards in this game if he gets the ball right.

1214
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: So I was reluctant to put him on the list

1215
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: because of that, But at the same time, like Taekwon

1216
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: to me, is like a perfect example of everything that's

1217
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: wrong with their passing offense outside the quarterback, and that

1218
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: is that they have this guy, this this four to

1219
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: two eight track athlete that can run like the wind.

1220
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 2: Do you remember the movie in Replacements?

1221
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: Of course? All right, you know Clifford Franklin my favorite movies. Yeah,

1222
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: he's Clifford Franklin. What if I told you I have

1223
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: a Shane Falco jersey. That's awesome, I do, that's sick. Yeah,

1224
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: I thought you would roll your eyes.

1225
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: No, I love that movie. It's amazing movie.

1226
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll bring it in next week. Chickstick Scars, I

1227
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: mean Chickstick Scars, Paining Heels Glory. No, it's pain Heels,

1228
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: Chickstick Scars. Glory is forever, right. Yeah, it's just it's

1229
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: corny and it's awful, but it's it's amazing at the

1230
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: those are all the things you hate though.

1231
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,479
Speaker 2: It's a football movie. I mean it helps. It helps

1232
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: that it's a football movie.

1233
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: So that okay, Sorry, we have to do this real

1234
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: quick cause I don't think we've ever done this. Top

1235
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: three football movies, Oh god.

1236
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 2: Uh remember the Titans is definitely in the top three.

1237
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1238
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: I'm not putting these necessarily.

1239
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no.

1240
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,959
Speaker 2: Remember Titans is definitely up there.

1241
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: So here's the thing for me, there's four movies that

1242
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 1: belong Longest Yard. Oh see, that's not my top three.

1243
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: I think it's up there. It's up there. It might

1244
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: it might be my top five. I don't know, it's

1245
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: in my top three.

1246
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, this is this is tough.

1247
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: So I actually I have the replacements at four. It's

1248
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: such a good movie, but it's good. Remember the Titans. Yeah,

1249
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: I love Friday Night Lights, dude, that's the movie the movie.

1250
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: So the TV show is really good too. The movie

1251
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: is better than the TV show. That is my hot

1252
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: take the TV show. The TV show has nothing to

1253
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: do with football. It's just a drama. There's no football

1254
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: in the show. I watched the show.

1255
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 2: There's football all right, which is good.

1256
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: Not that much football, right. The movie is about football.

1257
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: Coach Taylor in the show is much better than than

1258
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: the movie.

1259
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: Don't do Billy, Bob Thornton. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He's better, Okay,

1260
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: Mika Kelly, like, come on, like prime, Mika Kelly. I'm

1261
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: not saying it's a bad TV show. I am saying,

1262
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: as somebody who's watching for football, the movie is better

1263
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 1: than the show. I agree with that. That's my take.

1264
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: I agree. And then the third one, Yeah, and this

1265
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: is probably my number one. Yeah, any given Sunday. That

1266
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: is a great Alacinos and is a great Willy Beman.

1267
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: So I put this on maybe I should do this again.

1268
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: I put this on Twitter a couple of years ago,

1269
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: and I said, who is uh? I just said, like,

1270
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: I threw it out to people. Favorite fictional football player.

1271
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I said, favorite fake quarterback. A bunch of

1272
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: people said Taysom Hill, which was very funny, but it

1273
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: was all either either Willy Beaman or Alex Moran. Willy

1274
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: Beaman is because the Patriots draft. Will would be like

1275
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: how old now? But he'd be like Jaden Daniels, right,

1276
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, there is some of that. William Beaman's

1277
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: fantastic and then honorable mentioned to great Iron Gangs. Really movie? Yeah,

1278
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: grid Iron Gangs.

1279
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say good Iron Gangs up there because

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Speaker 2: that's always on like FX and like those channels.

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Speaker 1: Like the scene where the rock comes out and all

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01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: the plasts. Yeah, it's a really good it's it's a

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01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: really good it's a good movie. You don't like that movie?

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01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: And you forgot the water boys, the boys out there,

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01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: the water boys up there. Do you consider Forrest Gump

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01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: football movie?

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01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 4: No?

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01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't.

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01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 2: There's one football scene.

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01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: How was that a movie?

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01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: The one I know calling Diehard a Christmas movie? It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: When I start that, I do say Happy Gilmore's a

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01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: hockey movie as much as a golf movie. But people

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01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: who are gonna say Rudy, Rudy doesn't do it like

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01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: it's a it's a good movie, but it's touching but

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Speaker 1: it's not. It doesn't do it. Yeah, I think it

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01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: probably I saw it too young, Yeah, and I didn't

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01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: get it. And so it's forever. It's a good boy,

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01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: a good shot, the water Boys up there. But no,

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01:00:54,080 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: my top three are any given Sunday, remember that, Any

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01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: given Sunday, Remember the Titans, Friday Night Lights, Okay, and

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01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: then and then very very very close forth is The Replacements,

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01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: which Tobacco.

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Speaker 2: So back to my point is that Taekwon Thornton is

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01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 2: Clifford Franklin. And if people don't know the movie, Clifford

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01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 2: Franklin is the fastest man alive, right he I.

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01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: Think he's literally a track runner that he signed to

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01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: play for you. Yeah, so he is.

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01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 2: He absolutely flies, like we're talking like ten second hundred

1310
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: meter type of guy, right, but he can't catch. He

1311
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: doesn't have any hands. So at the end of the movie,

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01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 2: they need a big play and they're like, we need

1313
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 2: you to just run by somebody and make this catch,

1314
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: and we have we need this play right now. So

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01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: they put stickham on his hands and.

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01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: They don't just put stick them on his hands, and he's.

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01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: Out there like this and it's like dripping down his

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01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: hands and everything like that, and he ends up making

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01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 2: the big catch and he goes to give the ball

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01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: back to the referee and the referee like can't.

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01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: Get it off his head stuck to him. Yeah, I

1322
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: think they get like a hammer and right.

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01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: So obviously you can't use stick them, you know, like

1324
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 2: Jerry Rice did. So you can't use stick them. But

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Speaker 2: the point is is that Taekwon Thornton has all the

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01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 2: ability in the world to be a productive NFL deep threat.

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01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: He's got the speed he can release at the line

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01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, like he showed on that one rep. He's

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01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 2: got all of the tools to be a legit NFL

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Speaker 2: deep threat. And when I say legit NFL deep thright,

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01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's Tyreek Hill, right, Like, let's come

1332
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 2: down in a couple of notches, like right, Marquez Valdez Scantling.

1333
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: You know someone like that who's not a great player, right,

1334
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: not a great player, but a productive player would used

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Speaker 2: correctly in the right offense. And to me, Taekwon Thornton

1336
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 2: is a microcosm of a couple of things. One, he

1337
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: doesn't have a quarterback that can get him the ball.

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01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 2: That's a big thing. He doesn't have a quarterback that

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01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: can get him the ball downfield. Two, he's not in

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01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 2: an offense that really invites those types of plays, Like

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01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 2: he is not a deep vertical passing offense where there's

1342
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 2: going to be a lot of volume for him to

1343
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: just run those types of routes. And number three, he

1344
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 2: makes the same mistakes, whether it's ball skills, route running whatever,

1345
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: over and over and over again, to the point where

1346
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: again we have to go back to Troy Brown and

1347
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 2: be like, are you coaching it? You know, what are

1348
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 2: you coaching him on? Are you coaching him on the

1349
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: right things? This is a guy that should be out

1350
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 2: on the practice field practicing over the shoulder catches for

1351
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 2: two straight hours, Like just that's all he should be doing,

1352
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 2: just practicing over and over and over again. And I

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01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 2: just you have to He's got the ability to be

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01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 2: a useful player in this offense. And I think that

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01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: things that are holding him back are consistency. And I

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01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 2: think the consistency is not just on Tae Kwon Thornton,

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01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 2: Like I think that's on everybody, the coaching, the scheme,

1358
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks. I think everybody is making it so that

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01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: he's not consistently a threat because his speed plays every

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01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 2: single week. Yeah, when he turned on the film, he

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01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 2: is fast. He is running by people, or he's making

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01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 2: people respect it and all those types of things, and

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01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: they just can't get in the ball. And that I

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01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 2: think is a full organizational issue. It's not just on

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01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 2: taekwond Thorion. So that's why I was reluctant to put

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01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 2: him on my downs. But he obviously had a big

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01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 2: play in the game that wasn't down.

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Speaker 1: People in the comments have some movies we forgot, like

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Speaker 1: what Marshall, No, you're Marshall.

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Speaker 2: It's good movie. It's a good movie, but it's not

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01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 2: that tier. Yeah, and it's also not about football. Invincible No, yeah,

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Speaker 2: definitely not for me. No, I guess it is a

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01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 2: football movie. I don't why I didn't think of this,

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Speaker 2: because this is a good movie. I wouldn't put it

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Speaker 2: in my top three.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Maguire it is.

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Speaker 2: That's a great movie. Drew Bledsoe was and Jerry Maguire

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01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: he is in Jerry Maguire. I love Jerry Maguire. But

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01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 2: that's all.

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Speaker 1: That's more like an agent movie than it is a Yeah, yeah,

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01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: that could be about any sport. It happens be football play.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: No, we didn't say draft day for a reason. Oh god, no, No,

1384
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: draft day is awful. All right.

1385
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: We got to get to these calls and these people

1386
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 2: have been winning on hold forever. If he's still there

1387
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: already is in LA. What's up, Betty.

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01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: At A. Thanks for waiting. How you doing?

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01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 5: Nah? I appreciate it. Yeah, So what I want to

1390
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 5: talk about is so obviously every like new head coach,

1391
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 5: new coordinators that come in like they like their own

1392
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 5: guys in the draft and with and like seeing how

1393
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 5: important this draft is going to be for the future

1394
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 5: of the team. Do you guys think that Craft already

1395
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 5: has a plan for who's going to come in, who's

1396
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 5: going to go out? And because I Yeah, like I said,

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01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 5: I think it's really important to know, so you'd like

1398
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 5: be prepared for what this team is going to look

1399
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 5: like in the future, if you guys kind of get

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01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 5: where I'm going here.

1401
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's a fair question, Eddie, and it's one

1402
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 2: that I think about a lot. Thanks for the call

1403
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: and thanks for waiting. Just about we talk about the

1404
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: draft a lot, and we're probably going to talk about

1405
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: the draft here in the second hour a lot. Who's

1406
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 2: drafting who they're drafting for, the offense that they're drafting for.

1407
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 2: You know, all that type of stuff makes this hard

1408
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,479
Speaker 2: to do this Right now, Now, we can talk about

1409
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 2: the prospects, and we will just in general about their

1410
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 2: traits and about their strengths and weaknesses. But like, let

1411
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: me give you an example. If you're gonna build a

1412
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien offense, then Michael Pennix is not your guy. No,

1413
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: Michael Pennis is a vertical passer, right, like he should

1414
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 2: be in a bombs away vertical passing offense like they

1415
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: run in Washington. That's not Bill O'Brien's offense. If you're

1416
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 2: running Bill O'Brien's offense, then you want like the precision guy, right,

1417
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 2: the guy that can pick you apart underneath, the guy

1418
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 2: that is gonna get the ball out, that type of quarterback.

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01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: Don't make me say who that Isix? Isn't it a

1420
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: little bit? A little bit?

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01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 4: So?

1422
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: Uh that that's the difference. Right.

1423
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: But with that being said, in terms of the uh

1424
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: the question about the draft too, I think it's also

1425
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 2: important to remember, not always, but nine times out of ten,

1426
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 2: the scouting staff from the old regime still stays on

1427
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 2: through the draft because you can't just completely is Zoe

1428
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 2: doing a zoe Ism over there? Hear him yelling, Yeah, uh.

1429
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: You can't just completely.

1430
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: Start from scratch in January with a brand new scouting

1431
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 2: staff and a brand board and a brand new process.

1432
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: It so much goes on in the scouting world in

1433
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 2: the fall, in the season where guys are on the road.

1434
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: Guys are at schools.

1435
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 2: You know, Macro was at Michigan Ohio State, you know,

1436
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: for the regular season game. There's so much that goes

1437
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 2: on in those types of things, with area scouts and

1438
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 2: college scouting directors and things like that, that for the

1439
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 2: most part, those guys survive through May and then the

1440
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 2: day of the draft is over. If the new GM

1441
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 2: wants to clean house and start from scratch and that

1442
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 2: in that department, he does, and those guys go and

1443
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 2: find other jobs and catch on elsewhere. So my guess

1444
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 2: is is that even if they do hire a new GM,

1445
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 2: that guys like Cameron Williams, those types of guys, Cameron Williams,

1446
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 2: the Patriots college scouting director, he'll probably stay on and

1447
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 2: through at least through the draft if he's not retained

1448
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: beyond that.

1449
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: Well, unless I mean sometimes like if you hire like

1450
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: the assistant GM of the team, he might bring his

1451
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: assistant Yeah, who's been working on that stuff? Yeah, for

1452
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: that team. But yeah, No, it's a fair point.

1453
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 2: Really, last thing here on the GM thing, because I

1454
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 2: think we get this question a lot talked a ton

1455
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 2: of talk a ton about head coaches and head coaching candidates.

1456
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 2: Gms are tougher because not everybody knows all of the

1457
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 2: personnel guys around the league. Right, it's a little bit tougher.

1458
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: But the one name that I keep coming back to

1459
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 2: for GM, and I didn't realize until last week after

1460
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 2: we did the show that he was here, and that's

1461
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 2: Adam Peters with the San Francisco forty nine ers. Adam

1462
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 2: Peters was with the Patriots for like, I think it

1463
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 2: was like six or seven years or something like that

1464
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: in the two thousands. I think it was like, you know,

1465
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 2: mid twenty twenty tens or early you know, light two thousands,

1466
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 2: early twenty tens. Adam Peters was here for a chunk

1467
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 2: of time. And I always think about with the Crafts,

1468
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 2: you look at most of their hires, Pete Carroll was

1469
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 2: kind of out of nowhere. If I'm not mistaken. That's

1470
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: more of like a Perillo Fred Kirsch question.

1471
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,440
Speaker 1: But if Henny worked for Parcels in the past.

1472
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 2: Well, he coached for the Jets, so he's you know,

1473
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 2: maybe close, but you look at a lot of their

1474
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 2: other hires. You know, obviously Bill was here right with

1475
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 2: on Parcels' staff and then came back as the head coach.

1476
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 2: So I think in a lot of ways that those

1477
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 2: guys they liked it to get guys that they at

1478
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 2: least have some sort of familiarity with. And Adam Peters

1479
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 2: was here for a period of Time's Patriots National Scout

1480
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 2: from twenty eleven to twenty thirteen.

1481
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

1482
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 2: Now he's in San Francisco. He's the assistant general manager

1483
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 2: of the forty nine Ers.

1484
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: He's you know, joint Peters is also with the Patriots,

1485
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: so he was here, he's here for a while. Yeah,

1486
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I think he rows up the

1487
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: ranks here. He was here from three to eight, He

1488
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: was a Pro Scout from six to eight, and then

1489
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: he was here again from eleven to thirteen.

1490
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was here that whole time, if

1491
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, And he rose up through the ranks. Yeah,

1492
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 2: you know, with the Patriots. So he's John Lynch's Nick Casario.

1493
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 2: Maxis the assistant GM. Yeah, he but he has the

1494
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 2: official he's not Director of Player Personnel, he's assistant GM. Right,

1495
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 2: So he had he's got familiar with the Kraft family

1496
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 2: from being here. Uh, you know, as a low level guy,

1497
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 2: he's rose up through the ranks here, then he got

1498
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 2: big jobs elsewhere, and now he's got the forty nine

1499
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 2: ers shine on him, right, you know, he's got he's

1500
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: got that whole thing where he understands how the forty

1501
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 2: nine ers have run their operation. So if I had,

1502
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 2: if I had my pick of the league, and you'd

1503
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 2: said to me, Evan, you know, who do you want

1504
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 2: the most? Adam Peters is one one for me that's

1505
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 2: at the very top of the list. And uh, he's

1506
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 2: the guy that I would be going after. Other guys

1507
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: like John Robinson. I think did a good job with

1508
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 2: the Titans until the AJ Brown thing.

1509
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of other than that. I was

1510
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: the play but yeah, who knows who made that decision. Well,

1511
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 1: John Robinson got fired for it, so he did.

1512
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 2: But did ownership push him to trade AJ Brown because

1513
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 2: of the contract. You know who knows that was a

1514
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,959
Speaker 2: very Patriot move, was we're just gonna draft your replacement

1515
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 2: in Terry Lon Berk's.

1516
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: I didn't love it, No one loved it.

1517
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 2: But he's another guy that was here for a long time,

1518
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 2: had some really really good drafts with the Patriots, Like

1519
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 2: the mccordy Gronkowski draft is his draft, you know, so

1520
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 2: he's had some good drafting in the past here. Those

1521
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 2: are a couple of guys that you have to keep

1522
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 2: in mind. And this is why I always, you know,

1523
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 2: say with Girod Mayo that I think he might stay

1524
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 2: here in some capacity. With it's not even you might

1525
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 2: be head coach. The Craft family does not necessary usually

1526
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 2: go that outside the box or outside the nest. Like

1527
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 2: they're gonna whoever is gonna run this thing next is

1528
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 2: gonna you're gonna know the name. Like, it's not gonna

1529
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,839
Speaker 2: be somebody that they They're not gonna play some GM

1530
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 2: off of some random staff. They're not gonna do that.

1531
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 2: They're gonna have somebody in mind, and they're gonna have

1532
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 2: somebody that they have some sort of familiarity with. And

1533
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 2: I think those two guys would probably be at the

1534
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,839
Speaker 2: front of the line. If I had to guess.

1535
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: Can I give you another name? And this guy I've

1536
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: talked about, but I just looked it up and realized

1537
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 1: he has a connection. Ray agnew assistant GM of the Lions. Yeah,

1538
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: he was Patriots first round pick. Yeah, and this was

1539
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: pre craft. It was in nineteen ninety but like he's

1540
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: been here. Yeah. I also I had one more down.

1541
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: Oh special teams. Oh, Bryce Barrock gave up the punt return.

1542
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: Bryce Beringer had two great punts and then just shank

1543
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: five in a row. They didn't trust Chad. Rather than

1544
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: to kick a field goal, they gave up that big

1545
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: punt return. Yeah, it wasn't good.

1546
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 2: So we didn't get to do practice report on PU

1547
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 2: yesterday because practice was late. Your little tidbit about the kickers,

1548
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 2: I've scoffed at you during practice and then you know,

1549
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 2: as always, I come back around. I'm like, all right,

1550
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: he's probably onto something there. It was a little interesting

1551
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 2: that the practice squad kid Michael Wright was kicking.

1552
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: Kicking during stretching and it was Chad Royland was like

1553
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: behind the goalpost getting the balls. He was he was

1554
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: he was?

1555
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 2: Uh was it called when they do that in VP

1556
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 2: and batting practice shagging balls.

1557
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, interesting.

1558
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 2: It does definitely seem like they've lost confidence in Chad Ryland.

1559
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 1: Ye.

1560
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to the phones. Colleen is

1561
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 2: in Houston. What's up, Colleen?

1562
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:32,520
Speaker 6: Hey, guys. Uh So, first of all, the Clifford Franklin

1563
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 6: comparison is so funny because I made that comparison to

1564
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 6: my friends and they had no idea what I was

1565
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 6: talking about.

1566
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: Great movies. You need to make your friends watch that.

1567
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 6: Movie is rudy.

1568
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 2: It is rudy.

1569
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 6: I know you guys aren't into it, but that's my favorite.

1570
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 1: Anyway, It's fair.

1571
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 6: My question is leading into you said you were talking

1572
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 6: about the draft. I have a billion questions, but I'll

1573
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 6: just leave it to this one. Why Jaden Daniels been

1574
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 6: so underrated so far in the draft Because he is

1575
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 6: gonna win the Hivespin probably, but people still have him

1576
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,919
Speaker 6: in like the second round and stuff, and I'm curious

1577
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 6: why he's not up there with like Drake May and

1578
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 6: Caleb William.

1579
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, thanks Colling.

1580
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 2: It's a great call. So it's a good question about

1581
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,480
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels. So Jade and Daniels is your classic

1582
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: riser in a draft right where last year we weren't

1583
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: having conversations about Jade and Daniels at all being a

1584
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: top prospect in the draft. And some people are reluctant

1585
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 2: with those types of guys, guys that just kind of

1586
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 2: come out of nowhere and then are all of a

1587
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 2: sudden in a top five pick in the draft. So

1588
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow did that, and that's the one hand that's

1589
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 2: the positive. Baker Mayfield it was also one of those guys, right, So,

1590
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 2: like anything with the draft, it can go either way.

1591
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 2: So I look at Jaden Daniels as a guy that's

1592
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 2: real really improved from this year to last year. So

1593
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 2: what and when I say really improved? He was always

1594
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 2: a good athlete. He always had the size, the NFL

1595
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 2: arm talent, the mobility as a passer, you know, as

1596
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 2: an actual quarterback, he really improved this year at LSU.

1597
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 2: So what you have to ask yourself when you're you know,

1598
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 2: evaluating a player like that, is was it Is it circumstantially?

1599
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 2: You know, like a guy like Neighbors all of a

1600
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 2: sudden becomes a star. You know, like where what led

1601
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: to the improvement? I talked a little bit to some

1602
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 2: of the LSU guys in the locker room, you know,

1603
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 2: Jalen Mills, Keishawan Boody who played with Jayden Daniels last year,

1604
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 2: and a lot of those guys said, you know that

1605
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 2: he really worked at it in the off season. That

1606
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 2: got with quarterbacks coach fine tuned his mechanics, worked his

1607
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 2: butt off in the off season to get here.

1608
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 1: So I love that. I think that's that's that tells

1609
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 1: me that this is just real improvement. This isn't all

1610
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden He's in the better offense and is

1611
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: lighting up Georgia Southern or something like that.

1612
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: Georgia State. He did light up Georgia State. But I'm

1613
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 2: intrigued by Jaden Daniels.

1614
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: I am.

1615
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 2: And my guess is by the time that we're done

1616
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 2: with this draft process, he will be a first round pick.

1617
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,759
Speaker 2: You know, interviews combine if he works out pro days,

1618
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 2: things like that. Aware in the first round, I think

1619
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: media will probably be higher on him than the league.

1620
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 2: So that that'll come down to how high up can

1621
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 2: he get himself right? You know, Lamar Jackson was the

1622
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 2: thirty second pick in the draft. That was ridiculous. It

1623
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 2: was ridiculous, Like he was the second best quarterback prospect

1624
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 2: in that class easily and he gets picked thirty second.

1625
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 2: It made no sense. So we'll see what Jaden Daniels.

1626
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 2: But that big, big jump that he made from this

1627
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 2: year to last year, some people are gonna aren't gonna

1628
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 2: be as quick to move him up the board as others.

1629
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. I think part of the reason

1630
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: he's lower two is he is a little bit under sized.

1631
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 1: I think that's something teams are going to look at.

1632
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: Can he be as dynamic as a runner when he

1633
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: puts on the fifteen to twenty pounds he's going to

1634
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,879
Speaker 1: have to put on to play quarterback in the NFL?

1635
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 1: And yeah, just you're talking about two guys and Caleb

1636
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: Williams and Drake May that really have two dominant seasons

1637
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: where Daniels was good last year but wasn't this. Yeah,

1638
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: it's two seasons of evidence versus one season of evidence.

1639
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: It's gonna make a difference.

1640
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely, And you know, we'll see you with Daniels.

1641
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 2: I think some of the things that he struggles with

1642
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 2: as a passer still are a lot of the same

1643
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 2: things that I remember thinking about justin fields coming out.

1644
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 2: We were talking about this is a better pass and

1645
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: field you know, yeah, yeah, but we were talking about

1646
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 2: this a little bit off the air, just from like

1647
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 2: a processing standpoint. NFL defenses are so much different from

1648
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 2: college defenses because college defenses, for the most part, they're

1649
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:58,799
Speaker 2: definitely trees and coaches that that spin the dial in college.

1650
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 2: You know that obviously to say been smart coat, you know,

1651
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 2: venables like those guys have the coaching chops to coach

1652
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 2: those types of things with eighteen nineteen year old kids.

1653
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 2: But for the most part, college defenses are stagged in

1654
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 2: they if they're in too high pre snap, they're gonna

1655
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 2: be in too high post snap, if they're in single,

1656
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 2: if they're in man to man looks, they don't spin

1657
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 2: the dial like NFL defenses do.

1658
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 1: So a lot.

1659
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 2: Of the things that you see, like with Justin Field's

1660
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 2: coming out was once he started to face like in

1661
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff and he played Alabama, right and

1662
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 2: the teams like that that play match, you know, play

1663
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 2: rip Liz and play different you know, rotations on the

1664
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 2: back end.

1665
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: Things like that.

1666
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 2: You saw some delay in the processing where he wasn't

1667
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: reacting to it very quickly. And I think Jayden Daniels

1668
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 2: sometimes has some similar things when you watch some of

1669
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 2: the SEC games that he played this past season. So

1670
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 2: that's gonna be the big question on him. I know

1671
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 2: that that comes like with baggage. People hear that you

1672
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 2: know about black quarterbacks and they, you know, go a

1673
01:18:58,840 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 2: different direction with it.

1674
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: But that that's just the truth.

1675
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 2: Like there's some there's some stuff with his processing that's

1676
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: gonna have to improve.

1677
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 1: Now.

1678
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 2: Some people had similar concerns about CJ. Straud and he's

1679
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 2: been baby right.

1680
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 1: It's it's since it can't improve, he just needs to

1681
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 1: see more football, Like that's most guys. Yep, all right,

1682
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: Greg is in California. What's up? Greg?

1683
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, first time, long time in a season that's

1684
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 3: been basically pathetic from every standpoint, it's pretty impressive. You

1685
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 3: guys have been able to keep people of interest.

1686
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: So thank you, Thank you Dan.

1687
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 3: But my question was, it seems like I've heard you

1688
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 3: guys say you don't want Josh McDaniels back next year. Correct.

1689
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 1: Uh, lukewarm. I don't know how feels. It depends on

1690
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 1: the scenario. I mean, they're scenarios. I'd take him back,

1691
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:46,839
Speaker 1: but they're not my favorite scenarios.

1692
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just thinking I kinda I don't. I don't

1693
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 3: think we're gonna get Caleb Williams, so I kind of

1694
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 3: rather we got Marvin Harrison and brought back Josh McDaniels

1695
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 3: because I just like Belichick's Belichick's opinion that he could

1696
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 3: win with a top fifteen quarterback hasn't really been debunked

1697
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 3: yet because he's basically had like a bottom five quarterback

1698
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 3: every year since Brady left. It would seem so I

1699
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 3: would just be curious if we had like a Marvin Harrison,

1700
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 3: maybe a better row line next year. With the solid defense,

1701
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 3: we already have what you guys think like a Kirk

1702
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 3: Cousins Andy Dalton type of quarterback could do in this offense.

1703
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, thanks for the call. Greg Dalton's been at

1704
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: a league.

1705
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,799
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's just talking about like that level

1706
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 2: of quarterback. Look, I love Josh McDaniels. I've always been

1707
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 2: a big McDaniels guy. My my hesitation with McDaniels is

1708
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 2: that that it's the same system that they're running now

1709
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 2: for the most part, you know, the bones of it

1710
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 2: are the same, and I really just am getting to

1711
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 2: the point now where I'm concerned that this system is extinct.

1712
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot on the quarterback setting protections, alerts,

1713
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 2: things like that. I think there's a lot mentally on

1714
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 2: the receivers that slows guys down in terms of route

1715
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 2: conversions and options and things like that. And we've seen

1716
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 2: now they've had to strip it down. You know, Bill

1717
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 2: O'Brien installed the whole thing in the offseason and in

1718
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 2: the off season program, in the spring, and in training camp,

1719
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,759
Speaker 2: he installed the entire playbook. And now all of a sudden,

1720
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 2: we're twelve weeks in, thirteen weeks in, and he has

1721
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 2: to pull back because they can't execute it. And I

1722
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 2: just wonder if this offense is extinct. I wonder if

1723
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: there's not enough new agey. I hate using that phrase,

1724
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: but like just concepts that teams are running now to

1725
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 2: get guys that thing I was saying earlier about speed

1726
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 2: and space. And I just don't know if Josh McDaniels

1727
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 2: is going to innovate his offense. His offense with the

1728
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 2: Raiders was the same offense he was running with the

1729
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 2: Patriots at the end, you know, full back under center,

1730
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: all the same elements that he ran here in New England,

1731
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 2: and it didn't work. So he and it didn't work.

1732
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 2: And he's, you know, talking about having that Andy Dalton

1733
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins level quarterback, Like isn't Derek Carr that that guy? Yeah,

1734
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 2: and it didn't work with Derek Carr. So in some ways,

1735
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 2: I'm starting to trend towards, I guess is a long

1736
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 2: way of saying this. I'm starting to trend towards like

1737
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 2: they need a whole new offensive system, like a guy

1738
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 2: like Ben Johnson, a guy uh like my guy in Houston. Uh,

1739
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 2: of course Slovas right, there's yea, yeah, no, Bobby Slowick, Slowick,

1740
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 2: thank you.

1741
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 3: Uh.

1742
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 2: I think they might need that. They might need a

1743
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 2: whole new offensive system.

1744
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: This system.

1745
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 2: I think Boggs players down too much. There's too much

1746
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 2: mental game going on. And only certain guys you know,

1747
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 2: on that like that that upper level of understanding the game,

1748
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 2: like a Tom Brady Peyton manning that type of thing.

1749
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 2: Those are the guys that are are are can run

1750
01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 2: an offense like this, And I don't know if the

1751
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,799
Speaker 2: modern courts back and run this offense. Yeah, if you draft,

1752
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 2: you're just talking about Jayden Daniels, Like Jade Daniels isn't

1753
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 2: gonna run this type of offense like that you want

1754
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 2: to spread the field, you want to let him be

1755
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 2: an athlete, you want to let him use his mobility,

1756
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 2: Like that's not what this offense is gonna do.

1757
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 1: Uh.

1758
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 2: So, I those are my hesitations with Josh McDaniels. The

1759
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 2: one the two things I like about would like about

1760
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels. Even at the end with the Raiders, I

1761
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 2: thought that their offense made sense and was executed with

1762
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 2: some with like the details, you know, like they their techniques,

1763
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 2: their details were pretty good. It looked like an NFL

1764
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 2: offense in terms of spacing and timing and routes and

1765
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 2: things like that. So I think that there is a

1766
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 2: level that we thought Bill O'Brien was going to bring

1767
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 2: of like professionalism to his offense. And he's not going anywhere, Like,

1768
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 2: let's just be honest, like he's not going anywhere. He's

1769
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 2: not getting another head coaching job in the league. He's

1770
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 2: done as those aspirations are over. So Josh McDaniels, if

1771
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 2: he remains in coaching, which I'm sure he will, ye know,

1772
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 2: he's going to be an NFL offensive coordinator for the

1773
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 2: next twenty years because that's all he's got left.

1774
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: So there's that no, and there is inherent value with that.

1775
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 1: But like you said, do you want to kind of

1776
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, jump jump charge the offense and then you

1777
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: might need a different guy?

1778
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, Mark is in Connecticut. What's that Mark?

1779
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 4: Evan? I just had two quick questions for you today. Sure, So,

1780
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 4: Andrew Callahan a week and a half ago reported that

1781
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 4: he had talked to Pop Douglas and said that he

1782
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 4: didn't sustain a concussion and that he should be good

1783
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 4: to go, and then the day after he gets put

1784
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 4: in a concussion protocol. So where is the miscommunication there?

1785
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 4: And then also the second one was that Taekwon Thornton.

1786
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 4: They get him on an end a round reverse and

1787
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 4: he goes to forty yards thirty nine to be exact,

1788
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 4: But why don't they run that play ever?

1789
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: Again?

1790
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,759
Speaker 4: I mean, the kids got speed. You need speed out there,

1791
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 4: and he's your fastest guy. So explain to me those

1792
01:24:58,439 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 4: two things, Evan.

1793
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair call, thanks Mark. Number one on

1794
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 2: the concussion, and this is not to pick on Andrew.

1795
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 2: He's a good reporter, a good guy. But I'm always

1796
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 2: reluctant to go run with stuff that players tell you

1797
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 2: immediately after the game, because really you don't evaluate a

1798
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 2: player for injuries until Monday, you know, when they come

1799
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 2: in and they get into the medical room and they

1800
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:28,640
Speaker 2: get test done and they get looked at again. With

1801
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 2: concussions too, that's something that might not present itself right

1802
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 2: away and then you come in the next day and

1803
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you got a headache, right like

1804
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 2: you know those are so that happens a lot with concussions.

1805
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 2: That's why a lot of times guys will get into

1806
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 2: concussion protocol on Monday that were not knocked out of

1807
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 2: the game, like they might play through it during the

1808
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 2: game because they don't think anything of it, and they

1809
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 2: come in Monday morning, all of a sudden they don't

1810
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:58,640
Speaker 2: feel right and they're in concussion protocol. So Douglas I

1811
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 2: talked to him after the game too in New York,

1812
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 2: a big smile on his face, like you know, pop

1813
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 2: like same, all normal to Mario Douglas, like big smile,

1814
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 2: everything happy, you know, relatively after the loss, and he

1815
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 2: he looked fine, and I'm sure he come in the

1816
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 2: next day and then all of a sudden, it's not fine,

1817
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 2: and that's where it's at.

1818
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: So not to pick on andrew his reporting. I just

1819
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: think with those types of things, it's it's sometimes it's

1820
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 1: a delayed fuse, especially with concussions, that you have to

1821
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 1: kind of give it a day and see how guy's

1822
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 1: gonna bounce back.

1823
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 2: We talked a lot about Taekwon already like that. I'm

1824
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 2: with Mark, like that's that's totally fair. You know, they

1825
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 2: they find a play to unlock them a little bit.

1826
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 2: They run it once a game. It feels like, you

1827
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 2: know those types of plays, you're not going to run

1828
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 2: an end around ten times, right, Like it's not one

1829
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 2: of those things. But I ideally like you run it

1830
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 2: once or twice, you get the defense to respect the motion,

1831
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 2: and then you run something off of the motion. And

1832
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 2: I think that that's sort of the thing that you

1833
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 2: were talking about earlier about you know, uh, sequencing plays

1834
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 2: and complimentary plays. It doesn't seem like they are doing

1835
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 2: that at a high level.

1836
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 1: They kept running that orbit motionhit yeah with Taekwon and

1837
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 1: just running off of it, and the the why playing

1838
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: chargers were just jumping them. Yeah, every they're just sitting

1839
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: on the run. Sitting on the run at certain points,

1840
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 1: like you got to throw the ball out to Taekwon. Yeah,

1841
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 1: because they're sitting on this and he's gonna have room

1842
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 1: on the outside and they just never did it. So

1843
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: things like that were were weird.

1844
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a fair point about Taekwon, though his

1845
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 2: usage I think is again, I'm not saying that he

1846
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 2: would be a thousand yard receiver if he's being used better.

1847
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 2: I'm just saying he would be better than what they're

1848
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 2: getting out of him if he was being used a

1849
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 2: little bit better. All Right, a few emails and then

1850
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 2: we'll talk about we'll talk about the Steelers here for

1851
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 2: a second, and we'll give you your five minutes on Army

1852
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 2: Navy at the end, as well as Alex So this

1853
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 2: email or emails, I have we addressed this yet, I

1854
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 2: don't know. Barton Poland emails us this all the time

1855
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 2: about how about Michael Penix. I think we talked about this.

1856
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 2: I think I might have read this email, but I

1857
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 2: don't know where Barton Poland's getting his rankings from. I

1858
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 2: don't really look at like other guys' rankings this time

1859
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 2: of year too much. But he's claiming that in terms

1860
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 2: of Michael Pennix, mel Kuiper has him as QB eight,

1861
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 2: and Dane Brugler has him as QB seven Dane, and

1862
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 2: we have him as QB four, And so where where

1863
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 2: is the disconnect is the question?

1864
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: Well, so I would say Dane Brugler also has JJ

1865
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: McCarthy's QB three, so he's out. Kuiper just quarterback rankings

1866
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 1: are notoriously wrong, like he's never been good on quarterbacks. Yeah,

1867
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: I have some some thoughts that I probably shouldn't share

1868
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: on I know exactly where we're going.

1869
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 2: Let me put it to you this way. Mel Kuiper's

1870
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 2: favorite quarterback in this draft is Drake May yep.

1871
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: And he who is it? He said was a good

1872
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 1: runner who like couldn't run.

1873
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 2: I remember, I don't remember if.

1874
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 1: It was last year.

1875
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 2: First of all, mel Kiper like Kenny Pickett is like

1876
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 2: his favorite quarterback prospect, Like he gushed about Kenny Pickett.

1877
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 1: And he also, you know, his top ten quarterbacks last year? Yeah?

1878
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, one Will Levis, Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah it was

1879
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 2: Will Levis. I was trying to think of it, and

1880
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 2: it's just like, yeah, I mean this guy.

1881
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 1: Look, legend of the game, legend of the game. He's

1882
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 1: the reason why the drafted media coverages, right, Yes, I

1883
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 1: don't want to come on here. I bashed mel Kiper.

1884
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: But again, Will Levis, why might there be that disconnect?

1885
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, I'm looking at Michael Pennix as a player.

1886
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at what I see on the field.

1887
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 1: I have no access to his medical information. I have

1888
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,799
Speaker 1: not heard anything that is not public about his medical

1889
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: condition between his knees and his shoulders. Maybe those guys,

1890
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 1: maybe brugler and and Kuiper, are out on on it

1891
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: because of the medical things. Where I'm I'm kind of

1892
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 1: under the impression that until we find out there's an issue,

1893
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to operate as if there's not an issue

1894
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 1: until we get to the If we get to the

1895
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 1: combine and they say, hey, his knees won't hold up,

1896
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be my QB four anymore. He's not

1897
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a first round pick anymore. I'll say that

1898
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 1: right now. But we don't have that information yet, so

1899
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to factor it in.

1900
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

1901
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: That's probably part of the reason for the disconnect. Some

1902
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 1: people don't like older prospects. I frankly don't really care

1903
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 1: when a guy has a floor as high as Michael

1904
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: Pennix does. Uh. The other thing, I would say Evan

1905
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:33,879
Speaker 1: for the two of us, is I had Zach Wilson?

1906
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 1: Was it QB six, QB seven.

1907
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had him in twenty one, I had him

1908
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 2: as four, I had him, I had.

1909
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 1: It, Lawrence Fields, Yeah, Lance, Yeah, Wilson, Mac. I had

1910
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: Lawrence Fields, Mac, Lance Trask, Wilson. Zach Will's better than

1911
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 1: Colin Trask? Is he? But I was wrong about ranking

1912
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 1: him back the point being, The point being we've gotten

1913
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 1: this right once or twice before. Yeah, No, we we've

1914
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 1: been on, We've we've been in and look maybe again.

1915
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 2: And also like Traylance Hive, I still believe.

1916
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: I still do, still believe in you loved yourself and

1917
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: trailing I still believe. And again, maybe things change, maybe

1918
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:21,640
Speaker 1: more information comes out. By the time we get to

1919
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: the end of this, we say, hey, you know, like

1920
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: Penix has two bad knees, we're out. It's been proven

1921
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: as of right now. I just don't think you can

1922
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: hold it against the kid when and maybe maybe uh,

1923
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 1: these guys maybe kiper tails of the information. I don't,

1924
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to pretend I do.

1925
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I didn't know those QB rankings existed.

1926
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 2: And they Bart also claims that there's like sourced stuff

1927
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 2: in some of these rankings, that the league is not

1928
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 2: as high on medical penix as everybody else. Maybe that's

1929
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 2: the case. Like I'm not trying again, like same thing

1930
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 2: I said about Andrew, Like I'm not trying to rip

1931
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:55,719
Speaker 2: on people's reporting.

1932
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 6: Uh.

1933
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 2: I think that that could be the case. But in

1934
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 2: my mind, and this is somebody that doesn't watch college

1935
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 2: football every single weekend like you do as a degenerate.

1936
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,679
Speaker 2: I I have watched Michael Pennix like three or four

1937
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 2: times so far this season. Every single time I've watched him,

1938
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,759
Speaker 2: that guy is a dog. Like he is going after

1939
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 2: the opponent, like he is taking it to USC, He's

1940
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 2: taking it to Oregon in the PAC twelve championship game.

1941
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 2: Like that PAC twelve Championship game was a high scoring,

1942
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:32,720
Speaker 2: back and forth offensive football game. And he made more

1943
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 2: plays than the other guy.

1944
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1945
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 2: Who if that's what their rankings are mel kiper And

1946
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 2: and Todd or whoever the other people were, Dan Brugler,

1947
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,640
Speaker 2: they probably have bow Knicks ahead of him. Then if

1948
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 2: he's qub be eight in their rankings and he outplayed

1949
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:49,919
Speaker 2: bow Knicks like head to head.

1950
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 1: Right, so against the better defense. Oregon's defense is much

1951
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: better than Washington's defense. And so that's the Pac twelve

1952
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: Championship game.

1953
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 2: Now he's going to be in the college football playoff

1954
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:00,600
Speaker 2: right why they're playing.

1955
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: Uh, Texas, Texas.

1956
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 2: So he's so he's and he's gonna go up against

1957
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 2: Quinn Yours head to head, who's another guy that people

1958
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 2: really like. So if he outduels Quinn Ewers and then

1959
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 2: he outduels everybody else's.

1960
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 1: Guy or it's either JJ McCarthy or he tears up

1961
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 1: the Alabama defense, at what point are we going to

1962
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: sit here and say, oh, Wow, this guy's just beaten

1963
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: everybody in his path. And I would also say, because

1964
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 1: I'm coming around on Pennix, I am love it because

1965
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 1: of two reasons. One, I that was a quality that

1966
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 1: I feel like we all ignored with Mac. Was that

1967
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 1: intangible because you can't quantify it, And we're such analytical

1968
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 1: guys that we just want to think about the film

1969
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:46,640
Speaker 1: and the speaking metrics. Well you know what I'm saying, though, Uh,

1970
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 1: we we just want to think about it like from

1971
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: like a trade scouting type of perspective and not saying

1972
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 1: we're scouts. Okay, don't.

1973
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 2: Don't come at me about that, but we we just

1974
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 2: we want we think about it that way, and we're

1975
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 2: not we don't, like you said earlier, we don't know

1976
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 2: the guy.

1977
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 1: We were not interviewing people. We're not.

1978
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 2: We don't know them on that level like these scouts

1979
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 2: do and these guys in front offices do. And with Mac,

1980
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 2: we never really answered the question of like, well we did,

1981
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 2: but I think we ignored it. Adversity and how he

1982
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,679
Speaker 2: is going to handle that. We never really thought about,

1983
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 2: you know, when he gets into a close game, how

1984
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 2: he was going to handle that. Pennix has checked all

1985
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 2: of those types of boxes. Yeah, He's had injuries, He's

1986
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 2: bounced back from them. He's been on bad teams at

1987
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 2: Indiana that he made competitive.

1988
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: They were top twenty five team with Pennis, like the

1989
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 1: only time they've ever been good. Yeah, that's not an

1990
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: easy program to make good. Yeah.

1991
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 2: And he's bounced back from all of it, and now

1992
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,759
Speaker 2: he's going toe to toe with a really good Washington offense.

1993
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: You know, a dude, say those complain I want to

1994
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 1: talk about that in a second, but keep going. And

1995
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: well you're loving this, so you want me to keep going?

1996
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1997
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 2: Uh, he He's done all of that, and he continues

1998
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 2: to pass every single test. He's going to to toe

1999
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 2: and beating Caleb Williams. He's going to to toe and

2000
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 2: beating bow Knicks. Now he's going to go to the

2001
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 2: college football playoff and probably beat Texas.

2002
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: Like what but he might he might? Yeah, no, he might.

2003
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a toss up game.

2004
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 2: But yeah, at what point do we sit there and say, like,

2005
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 2: this guy is just he's just a he's a competitor,

2006
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 2: and he's got the physical tools. Like I'm not saying

2007
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 2: that he's you know, one of those try hard guys.

2008
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 2: Is just a college football you know, Johnny Manzel type right, Like,

2009
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,639
Speaker 2: he's got all of the arm talent in the world too.

2010
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 2: He's a good prospect, he is. Is he perfect? No,

2011
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 2: He's got an injury history. He's a lefty, which I

2012
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 2: hate h There's some things that you know, off his

2013
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:41,639
Speaker 2: back foot at times that is that going to translate

2014
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 2: to the league when the windows are a little bit

2015
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 2: tighter and things like that, He's going to have to

2016
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 2: throw from a more sturdy base more often. But in general,

2017
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 2: I really am starting to come around on him because

2018
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:52,639
Speaker 2: he's a winner. Like and not in the Mac Jones

2019
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 2: sans where he's a front running winner in college.

2020
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 1: No, he's I said it last week d A w

2021
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 1: G DOWG. Yeah, that I will line up behind that

2022
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 1: guy going to battle any day. I will run through

2023
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,759
Speaker 1: a wall for that guy any day. And there's value

2024
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 1: in that on the because I see a lot of

2025
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 1: people in the Chad saying it, he's got three, he's

2026
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 1: got three top one hundred red receivers, and he does.

2027
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 1: He does. Show me a quarterback in this draft that

2028
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,160
Speaker 1: doesn't have it's just weird this year. Show me a

2029
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: quarterback in this draft that does not have significant wide

2030
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 1: receiver talent around him. Caleb Williams has three guys who

2031
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 1: will be top one fifty picks this year and a

2032
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:28,679
Speaker 1: guy who will go in the top one hundred next year.

2033
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 1: Jane Daniels is two top one hundred picks. J J.

2034
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: McCarthy has the best running back in college football, a

2035
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 1: top one hundred wide receiver, and ever throws the ball.

2036
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 1: Bo Nix's two top one hundred wide receivers. Quentin Youwrers

2037
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 1: probably is the best supporting cast of anybody that Texas

2038
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: group with Xavier Worthy, Ady Mitchell and Jatavian Sanders. All

2039
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,560
Speaker 1: three of those guys should be gone by pick fifty.

2040
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 1: The one exception is Drake May. He has tes Walker,

2041
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 1: a good running back in Marin Hampton, and that's kind

2042
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: of it. He probably is the less talent least amount

2043
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: of talent around them of anybody. But we don't. You

2044
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 1: don't get to do oh, first of all, as good

2045
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 1: as all these groups are, yeah, you don't get to say, well,

2046
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,000
Speaker 1: Mac had all the talent. So look at none of

2047
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 1: these guys have the talent back did. No quarterback in

2048
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 1: college history has had or probably will ever have again

2049
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 1: besides Joe Burrow. All right, fair, but like yours is

2050
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:23,599
Speaker 1: the closest in this class. Again, I think all three

2051
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 1: of those guys are elite. Uh but and Jonathan Brooks,

2052
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 1: Wh's hurt now. But if you don't want a quarterback

2053
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 1: that doesn't have elite talent around him, you're either a

2054
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 1: Drake Meke Ie or you're not taking a quarterback this year.

2055
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,880
Speaker 1: That's just that, that's the reality. And if if that's

2056
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 1: what you want to say, fine, I'll wait for a

2057
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 1: quarterback to show up who's faced some adversity. Uh. You know,

2058
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 1: you can go get Shitdar Sanders next year, who's throwing

2059
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 1: a Travis Hunter? Or you can go get whoever goes

2060
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 1: to Ohio State, whoever transfers to Ohio State, who's gonna

2061
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 1: have a ton of talent around him, probably cam Ward.

2062
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it's this is just with a transfer portal. Now,

2063
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get these quarterbacks. You're not gonna get

2064
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: Cam Newton at Auburn in twenty ten, who was throwing to.

2065
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: I think Sammy Coates was the best receiver. Like the

2066
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 1: majority of those guys never played in the NFL. You're

2067
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 1: not gonna Sammy Coates barely played, right, You're not. I

2068
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 1: think it was Sammy Coates even on that team. I

2069
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I gotta look. But the point being, you're

2070
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 1: not gonna get these quarterbacks anymore. That just elevate a

2071
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,679
Speaker 1: ton of scrubs around him. The way the transfer portal works,

2072
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 1: every quarterback is going to have a loaded team around him.

2073
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 1: What you have to do is look at what the

2074
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 1: quarterback does independently of the receivers. Where how does he

2075
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 1: handle pressure, Where is he placing the ball, how is

2076
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: he reading the field? That has nothing to do with

2077
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:42,720
Speaker 1: the receivers. By the way, Sammy Coates was not on

2078
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 1: that team. Cam Newton' stop receivers, Darvin Adams, Terrell Zachary,

2079
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 1: Cody Burns, and the late Philip lutz Kerkin. So how

2080
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 1: do you know that he's the late Philip because he

2081
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,560
Speaker 1: died It was like a famous thing. Oh like he

2082
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 1: died that year. And then Michael dwyer was there. Michael

2083
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 1: mc dyer's the runn back. He played in the NFL

2084
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 1: very briefly. But you're not gonna get that guy anymore.

2085
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 1: As the point, these guys all are gonna have loaded

2086
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 1: rosters around him because they're building super teams through the

2087
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:12,640
Speaker 1: transfer porter with nil it's not you don't get to

2088
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,800
Speaker 1: say he has too much talent is disqualifying as a

2089
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 1: disqualifying characteristic. And I'm saying this for the guys I

2090
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 1: don't like. I'm saying this for Bonix and saying this

2091
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 1: for Ji Jia McCarthy. You have to actually go watch

2092
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback and watch what he does independently of the

2093
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 1: talent around him.

2094
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 2: Fair enough, All right, let's talk a little bit about

2095
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 2: this Steelers game. I love I you know what, I

2096
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 2: take that back. I hate the fact that we reserve

2097
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 2: like fifteen minutes a show. Now to actually talk about

2098
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 2: the next game like that. That does bother me. But

2099
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 2: that's where we're at. So a couple of things about

2100
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:48,720
Speaker 2: this Steelers game in this spot here for the Patriots

2101
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:55,440
Speaker 2: number one. This game, I think maybe the biggest indictment

2102
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 2: out of anything on this season when you really get

2103
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:03,639
Speaker 2: down to brass tacks about why we are Rich Eisen

2104
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 2: talking about Bill Belichick's job being on the line the Patriots.

2105
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 2: The one thing post Brady at the Patriots rae were

2106
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 2: still held that one card that they still held in

2107
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 2: their hand was that if they played a backup quarterback

2108
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 2: or a sucky quarterback, they would still win the game.

2109
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 2: They would win regardless of Cam Newton, Mac Jones, Bailey Zappi,

2110
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 2: whoever was starting under center. They could still beat you know,

2111
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 2: the Jared Goffs of the world without Aman Rossaint Brown

2112
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 2: last year with Detroit, to the sam Ellingers and the

2113
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew's and like those types of guys.

2114
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 1: Can I give you the list? Yeah? So here all

2115
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks the Patriots have beaten since the bye weeken

2116
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. From Chris Mason. This is the who's

2117
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 1: who of quarterbacks in the NFL. Some real great names

2118
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: on this list. Zach Wilson three times, the Urban Meyer

2119
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 1: version of Trevor Lawrence, Mitch Trubisk, Jared Goff, Jacoby Brissett,

2120
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:07,600
Speaker 1: Sam Ellenger, Colt McCoy, a combo of Teddy Bridgewater and

2121
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: Skylar Thompson in Josh Allen. So there's one legitimate quarterback

2122
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:14,640
Speaker 1: on that list. Jacoby Brissett's quality win the rest of

2123
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: those guys, guys they should be Yeah, so let that

2124
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:23,439
Speaker 1: one go, Yeah, because I just it just is it

2125
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 1: is terrible. Uh you thought about that for a second.

2126
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 2: The point is, I like Jacoby Brissett that they used

2127
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 2: to win this game in their sleep. Yeah, this was

2128
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 2: a game that you could chock up as a w

2129
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 2: And last year, frankly, they inflated their win total by

2130
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 2: winning games like this. You know, Zach two was Zach

2131
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 2: Wilson games, a Sam Ellinger game.

2132
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 1: You know, those types of.

2133
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 2: Games were why they ended up actually getting to eight

2134
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:49,440
Speaker 2: wins and and one went away from the playoffs.

2135
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 1: So this year they have lost the ability to eat.

2136
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:58,759
Speaker 2: They didn't even beat Tommy DeVito, Tommy Devitoy, Tommy Devido,

2137
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 2: a UDFA third string quarterback, that still lives with his

2138
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 2: mom and they couldn't even beat him.

2139
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: Doesn't brock Perty live with the roommate. It's not his mom,

2140
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 1: but like he's like there was something where like his parents.

2141
01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:16,639
Speaker 2: In his defense, like San Francisco's extremely I so Tommy DeVito, Nope,

2142
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 2: Gardner minshew Elle. You know, these types of games used

2143
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 2: to be in their sleep, chocked up w's for the Patriots.

2144
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:28,680
Speaker 1: So this is another one.

2145
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:32,240
Speaker 2: Last year they beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh with Mitchell

2146
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 2: Trubisky as the starting quarterback seventeen to fourteen. In Week two,

2147
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,719
Speaker 2: Nelson Aguilar had the game of his life. Yep, best

2148
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 2: Nelson Agilar game in his tenure with the Patriots.

2149
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 1: Gonoroschewski fumbled the punt that was the big, big play

2150
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 1: in that game right late in that game.

2151
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:49,200
Speaker 2: So they they won this exact game last year, Trubisky

2152
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:50,599
Speaker 2: and the Steelers in Pittsburg.

2153
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:52,760
Speaker 1: It was I think Naja Harris didn't play in that game, right,

2154
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 1: wasn't he out for because he might not play tonight

2155
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 1: or tomorrow night. I can't. I think he did play.

2156
01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 1: Somebody big was out for them on I'm gonna look.

2157
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:05,639
Speaker 2: So that the point being that they have fallen so far.

2158
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 2: The Patriots have this Patriots team that they might legit

2159
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 2: they might legitimately lose to misch to Brisky tomorrow night.

2160
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which I think a lot of fans would say,

2161
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: please lose. And I get that Chase Claypool at four catches.

2162
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 2: But the point is it still stands. So they should

2163
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 2: be able to dominate Mitch Trubisky and win this football game.

2164
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 2: And the reason being one. You know, they make Mitch

2165
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 2: Trubisky sit in the pocket and make throws, so I

2166
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 2: can't do that.

2167
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 1: Last year and Devon Gotcha talked about this yesterday, like

2168
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 1: if it's not there for Trubisky, he will run and

2169
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 1: he can't hurt you doing that. Yeah. They held Mitch

2170
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:48,439
Speaker 1: Trubisky to one carry for seven yards last year. He

2171
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:50,760
Speaker 1: threw the ball thirty three times. Yeah, you don't want

2172
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 1: Mitch Tiskey throwing the ball. Yeah.

2173
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 2: So so last year and I wrote about this in

2174
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 2: game Plan. It's up on Patriots dot com right now.

2175
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

2176
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 2: They ran a lot of drop eight coverage last year,

2177
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,360
Speaker 2: so they would rush three guys and like the mush rush,

2178
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 2: and sometimes they would let Judon go after him. But

2179
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 2: like for the most part, the idea of the rush

2180
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:09,640
Speaker 2: was to keep him in the pocket and then they

2181
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 2: would have eight guys in coverage and just kind of

2182
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 2: make him read out the coverage and find guys. And

2183
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 2: obviously Trubisky is not going to be able to do

2184
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 2: that at a very high level, so that they have

2185
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 2: a plan against Trubisky. And then I would also say

2186
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:22,679
Speaker 2: on the other side of the ball, to talk about

2187
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:26,640
Speaker 2: the offense a little bit, because you know, they this

2188
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:29,720
Speaker 2: offense right now. I can't pick them in any game

2189
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:34,439
Speaker 2: because of how the offense is playing. But offensively, the

2190
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 2: Steelers are really good defense. They're six and DVOA. They're

2191
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 2: ninth in EPA allowed. They're really really good defense, top

2192
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 2: defense in the top ten defense in the NFL by

2193
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:43,599
Speaker 2: pretty much every metric.

2194
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 1: They got great players TJ. Watt.

2195
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 2: I think you know Cam Hayward Alex Highsmith is maybe

2196
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 2: one of the most underrated edge rushers in the league.

2197
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 2: With that being said, the Steelers, and it's different. It's

2198
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 2: different from the Dick lebo Blitzburg Cover three Steelers. They

2199
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 2: don't run that system as much anymore. But the Steelers

2200
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 2: they do what they do defensively under Tomlin. They've never

2201
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:06,680
Speaker 2: been a big game plan team. So Tom Wins a

2202
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 2: Tampa two guy, comes from the Tony Dungee Tree with

2203
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:11,760
Speaker 2: the Bucks. He's a Tampa two guy, so he runs

2204
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 2: a lot of Tampa two. They Tarrell Austin brought a

2205
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 2: lot more man coverage like Patriots style stuff with Brian Flores,

2206
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 2: So they basically have a combination of man coverage, which

2207
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 2: they run a lot more now they're fifth in the league,

2208
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 2: and man coverage rate and Tampa two, like those are

2209
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 2: the two coverages. The Patriots should know what's coming offensively,

2210
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 2: they should know that they're on early downs, they're gonna

2211
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 2: get some sort of Tampa two coverage zone, which is,

2212
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 2: you know, Cover two, and then they're gonna get manson

2213
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 2: man on third down. And the question is, you know,

2214
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 2: is can Bill O'Brien, will Bill O'Brien, will he actually

2215
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:46,720
Speaker 2: scheme some stuff up in the drop back pass game

2216
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,680
Speaker 2: this week? Like will he actually not just run two

2217
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 2: go routes on the outside and have Bailey Zappi throw

2218
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty ball which we just prove is

2219
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,720
Speaker 2: more like eighty twenty in favor of the defense to

2220
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:00,680
Speaker 2: Devonte Parker, Or are they can actually be able to

2221
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 2: scheme some things up and manipulate coverage and get guys

2222
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 2: open because they're gonna know what coverages Pittsburgh is gonna play.

2223
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 2: So schematically Excellon knows why is the Patriot should be

2224
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 2: able to move the ball a little bit in this

2225
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 2: game for that reason. But the big butt other than

2226
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:22,360
Speaker 2: themselves being just what they are, this Pittsburgh defensive front

2227
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:25,400
Speaker 2: is legit one of the best in the league. So

2228
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 2: are they gonna be able to block it? TJ Watt,

2229
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:32,719
Speaker 2: Alex Heismith, Cam Hayward, Larry Ogunjobi, there are other defensive tackles,

2230
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 2: really underrated player. He's good inside as well. This is

2231
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,559
Speaker 2: as good of a front as they're gonna face all year.

2232
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:40,640
Speaker 2: And there's a chance that Bailey Zappi is sacked like

2233
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,599
Speaker 2: half a dozen times in this game and is running

2234
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:43,040
Speaker 2: for his life.

2235
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 1: And the other thing you don't have look as good

2236
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:47,920
Speaker 1: as Khalil Mack was last week. There were sometimes Bailey

2237
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 1: Zappy kind of ran away from Yeah, you're not run away.

2238
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 2: And there's also like Khalil Mack, which I think is

2239
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:55,679
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't mention this earlier. The other frustrating

2240
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 2: part about what Khalil Mack did to me, is Kleil

2241
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 2: Mack is the only guy they have that lot right

2242
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 2: boss out out.

2243
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:05,720
Speaker 1: They don't have any guys in the interior. Uh two

2244
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:08,799
Speaker 1: wey polo two. The rookie is a nice player. He's fine,

2245
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:15,519
Speaker 1: he's not he's not a Bosa, but he's he's a

2246
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 1: good I wouldn't say they have nobody. He's a guy,

2247
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 1: he's he's I think he's a nice player. I think

2248
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:21,439
Speaker 1: he's a pretty good player.

2249
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 2: But besides the point they this Pitts player game has

2250
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 2: got like three or four.

2251
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 1: He's not Alex Highsmith now. And then the other thing,

2252
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:32,080
Speaker 1: and you kind of talked about this before, is a

2253
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 1: lot of the simplified concept they're running and you talked

2254
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:36,640
Speaker 1: about the digs and the crossers in the middle of

2255
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 1: the field, like in that intermediate part of the field.

2256
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:43,799
Speaker 1: That's a potential field day. Yeah, right for makea Fitzpatrick. Yeah,

2257
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:48,440
Speaker 1: so you gotta this is not a game MIKEA. Fitzpatrick

2258
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 1: as the quarterback. You cannot drop your eyes against the

2259
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 1: Steelers because you need to know where Mika Fitzpatrick is

2260
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 1: before you throw the ball every single time, because if

2261
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 1: he is on the half of the field, what you're throwing,

2262
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:03,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a shot to jump thro out. Yeah

2263
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,800
Speaker 1: he is. He's just that good. Yeah. So as good

2264
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 1: as this rush is, you can't forget about Mkapatrick. Make

2265
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 1: a Fitzpatrick on the back end and just kind of

2266
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:15,439
Speaker 1: be throwing blindly against pressure because Fitzpatrick's gonna pick off

2267
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:16,600
Speaker 1: multiple passes if you do that.

2268
01:48:16,720 --> 01:48:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a great pass rush with a ball hawking secondary.

2269
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 2: That's how I would describe.

2270
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is dangerous. That's a dangerous combination. Yeah, and

2271
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 1: they have a good defense.

2272
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,440
Speaker 2: And so this game I picked thirteen to six Pittsburgh,

2273
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 2: like that's the type of game it feels like. Again,

2274
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 2: I just can't admit and envision there being a lot

2275
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:36,080
Speaker 2: of offense in this game.

2276
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 1: I think the Steelers score on defense. It's possible, Like

2277
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:44,120
Speaker 1: I think they score on defense and they'll get their

2278
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:46,280
Speaker 1: one touchdown drive off. Like I think Patriot's turned the

2279
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 1: ball for multiple times in this game, So then it'd

2280
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:49,880
Speaker 1: be more like twenty to six. So I think that

2281
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 1: that point totals higher. But we're gonna look like this

2282
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:53,560
Speaker 1: could be one of those games and how many of

2283
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:55,120
Speaker 1: these games if the Patriots had the last few years

2284
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 1: or like they give up twenty one points, but they

2285
01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:58,840
Speaker 1: only give up you know, one hundred and eighty yards

2286
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:00,120
Speaker 1: of offense, yeah or something.

2287
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 2: Or it's like really defensive points. It's only fourteen.

2288
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 1: Because it's yeah, exactly something like that. Yeah.

2289
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:09,200
Speaker 2: I will say for Bailey Zappy that you know, I

2290
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 2: kind of ragged on him a little bit. But the

2291
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:13,799
Speaker 2: one point he didn't turn the ball over, and he

2292
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 2: he had that one throw over the middle that we

2293
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:17,719
Speaker 2: mentioned that this it tipped in the the safety, tipped

2294
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 2: off the safety as well, tipped twice. That was the

2295
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 2: closest one. But other than that, he really didn't put

2296
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:25,880
Speaker 2: the ball in harm's way all that often in this game,

2297
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:28,240
Speaker 2: all right, you know this past game. So that was

2298
01:49:28,240 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 2: a big step forward for Mac Jones. Like Matt Jones

2299
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,559
Speaker 2: turned the ball over like crazy. At least Bailey Zappy

2300
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:35,720
Speaker 2: wasn't turned the ball over again, I'm trying to give

2301
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 2: him something.

2302
01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 1: No, this is kind of a weird take I had

2303
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 1: the other day, but I thought of this, do you

2304
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 1: want a silver lining for this season at the quarterback position, Evan,

2305
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 1: we found out I have a well, on top of that,

2306
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 1: it's fair, but on top yeah, following Tom Brady was

2307
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 1: an impossible task. And I mean like Cam Newton, but

2308
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:55,760
Speaker 1: I mean like it's the long term guy, right, Cam

2309
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 1: Newton was never gonna be he was with thirty two

2310
01:49:57,479 --> 01:49:59,879
Speaker 1: years old. He's never gonna be the quarterback here for ten years. Yeah.

2311
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 1: Being the guy tasked with getting the organization back to

2312
01:50:04,160 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 1: the place they were with Brady was a monumental task.

2313
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:10,679
Speaker 1: And even when mac Jones was good at the beginning

2314
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:13,519
Speaker 1: of his career, how many times did we hear Brady

2315
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:15,320
Speaker 1: would have done this, Brady would have done that? How

2316
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 1: many times did you give your take? Well, he's not

2317
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:20,160
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, which, again, congratulations on snuffing that one out.

2318
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 1: It's such a grave take evidence your favorite that mac

2319
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 1: Jones is not Tom Brady. Following Tom Brady. Impossible task, Yeah,

2320
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:32,680
Speaker 1: following these two guys. Like when we're talking about well

2321
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 1: he didn't turn the ball over. Yeah, they got shut out,

2322
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:35,439
Speaker 1: but he didn't turn the ball over. It was good

2323
01:50:35,479 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 1: quarterback play. It was good. Said you have it, you

2324
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:41,920
Speaker 1: haven't other people people are saying, oh no, look didn't

2325
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 1: Zappy didn't turn the ball over and he ran away

2326
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 1: from a couple of potential sacks. Like good, like progress

2327
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:49,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be next. Next guy's going to hit like

2328
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:51,840
Speaker 1: a ten yard incut and then come back on the

2329
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:53,759
Speaker 1: next play and throw like a fifteen yard back shoulder

2330
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:55,720
Speaker 1: up the sideline, and we're gonna be fitting for a

2331
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:59,720
Speaker 1: red jacket. Like it's if you want some some silver lining.

2332
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:03,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll go back a step because you know,

2333
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,639
Speaker 2: no disrespect to Drew right they If Drew Bludsoe walked

2334
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:09,439
Speaker 2: through this door right now, we'd be happy, like to

2335
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 2: have a poet.

2336
01:51:10,360 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 1: If Drew Bloods walked through that door, I'd be a static.

2337
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 1: Well know this, for ten years, he's my first ever

2338
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:16,800
Speaker 1: favorite football player. I've never got to talk to him.

2339
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm not saying the door just opened.

2340
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:24,599
Speaker 1: I just had like all the ways in Washington really

2341
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:28,679
Speaker 1: no no organ Now that's where the winery is, I assumeing.

2342
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 2: Okay, not like I mean as a football player, obviously,

2343
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:36,080
Speaker 2: uh you. But before Drew Bloodsoe, that was the kind

2344
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:38,400
Speaker 2: of the Patriots, like Steve Grogan was okay, Like they

2345
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:43,120
Speaker 2: had pockets of okay quarterback right, I'm just saying, yeah,

2346
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 2: in general, they had pockets a good quarterback play at

2347
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:48,479
Speaker 2: times from guys like Grogan. But in general, when Drew

2348
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:51,839
Speaker 2: Bludsoe got here, even though Drew Bludsoe had his flaws,

2349
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:54,240
Speaker 2: like the fact that he was anywhere near as good

2350
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 2: as he was, people were like, oh what is this? Like, Yeah,

2351
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 2: this is incredible h and that that's that's how it's

2352
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 2: gonna feel for the next guy here. Is he's gonna

2353
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 2: even he's not gonna be Brady obviously, so he's probably

2354
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 2: gonna be closer to Drew Bledsoe hopefully.

2355
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what Matt, we all thought Mac would be.

2356
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 1: Drew bless Well, Drew buds had a much bigger arms. Say,

2357
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 1: a palate cleanser is what these last couple years have been.

2358
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:16,679
Speaker 1: A palate cleanser at the quarterback position. All right? Before

2359
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:19,240
Speaker 1: he ran people and people chanting for Zappi on Sunday

2360
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:21,679
Speaker 1: after a handoff, like what are we doing?

2361
01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:24,360
Speaker 2: They're just trying to get any sort of excitement, any

2362
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:25,479
Speaker 2: anything here.

2363
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 1: Then he made the play.

2364
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 2: I give that crowd so much credit. Man pouring to

2365
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:36,080
Speaker 2: forty degrees, terrible conditions, terrible football team, and they were

2366
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 2: standing a lot of those guys they waited it out,

2367
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:39,960
Speaker 2: They tried to wait it out.

2368
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:41,880
Speaker 1: Those are the real fans, and when the team does

2369
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,000
Speaker 1: get good again. That's the thing about going to a

2370
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:45,720
Speaker 1: game like that, you go because when the team gets

2371
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:49,439
Speaker 1: good again and everybody jumping. I was there for the

2372
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,280
Speaker 1: six nothing game against the Charge and the pouring and

2373
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 1: the pouring rain and the freezing gold. That's why you

2374
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:55,920
Speaker 1: go to that game.

2375
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 2: All Right, we're gonna we're gonna wrap this up in

2376
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:01,479
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes. But I told you you I'd

2377
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:04,040
Speaker 2: give you three minutes on Army Navy. I told you

2378
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:06,599
Speaker 2: I'd give you three minutes on Army Navy. Yeah, Army

2379
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:09,479
Speaker 2: Navy's happening here at j Light on Saturday. I went

2380
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:13,759
Speaker 2: Radio Row on Friday, Right, Yeah, Boston on Friday, Radio

2381
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 2: Row on Friday.

2382
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 1: Events all day in the Boston area on Saturday leading

2383
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:20,120
Speaker 1: up to the game. What do you got, go ahead, Yeah,

2384
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:23,000
Speaker 1: it's this is I went last year in Philly. The

2385
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:25,320
Speaker 1: Patriots were nice enough to kind of make that happen,

2386
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:27,200
Speaker 1: to kind of get a vibe for what the game is.

2387
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:31,840
Speaker 1: And it is the most unique football environment I have

2388
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 1: ever been in. And I'm not necessarily saying it's like

2389
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 1: I covered a Super Bowl. I'm not saying it's the best,

2390
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 1: Like covering Super Bowl is still the top for me.

2391
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:42,600
Speaker 1: But I will say a lot of these games now,

2392
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:43,880
Speaker 1: and I don't mean this is a Patriots thing. I

2393
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:45,679
Speaker 1: mean this is like a league wide and really sporting

2394
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:48,880
Speaker 1: events as a whole. Yeah, you go to these big games.

2395
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:51,120
Speaker 1: People show that ten thousand dollars for a ticket. They're

2396
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:53,240
Speaker 1: there for the status symbol. They're not maybe fans of

2397
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:55,760
Speaker 1: the game, it's not. You don't get a ton of

2398
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:59,840
Speaker 1: these big game, big environments anymore. You go to Army Navy,

2399
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:03,120
Speaker 1: that play is gonna be banged out, Like every seat

2400
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:05,000
Speaker 1: in j Lett Stadium is gonna be full. There's not

2401
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:06,800
Speaker 1: gonna be people up in the concourse. No, they're sitting

2402
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:09,639
Speaker 1: there watching the game. Every single person wants to be there.

2403
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 1: Every single person is living and dying on every play.

2404
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:15,440
Speaker 1: Every single person knows the game of football and understands

2405
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:19,480
Speaker 1: what is going on. It is such an outstanding football

2406
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:22,960
Speaker 1: crowd and the environment is electric and the way the

2407
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:25,600
Speaker 1: game goes And I know, Evan, they're not throwing the

2408
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:27,519
Speaker 1: ball all over the yard, although they throw more now.

2409
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 1: They're on a modified version of the triple option with

2410
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:30,720
Speaker 1: spread concepts.

2411
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:33,840
Speaker 2: They're on a modified version I'm sorry. You're on a roll,

2412
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:35,600
Speaker 2: so I'm not gonna rain on your periade.

2413
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 1: The way this game works, is it? It really And

2414
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:41,480
Speaker 1: some of the players and coaches talked about this when

2415
01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:42,480
Speaker 1: we talked about steal here.

2416
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:45,360
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do it. I promise,

2417
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:46,920
Speaker 2: go ahead, go ahead.

2418
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:49,720
Speaker 1: This every year, this game is decided by one play,

2419
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 1: but you you don't know when and how the play

2420
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:55,440
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. So last year, last year is too.

2421
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:58,800
Speaker 1: Last year was the final score last year twenty to seventeen.

2422
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:01,160
Speaker 1: That's pretty high scoring. This first time the overhit in

2423
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:04,160
Speaker 1: like sixteen years and because of overtime. But you had

2424
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:07,200
Speaker 1: like yourself. But here's the thing. It's like the it's

2425
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 1: if you're somebody who likes yeah, yeah, it was first

2426
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 1: ever overtime game. If you're somebody you know those like

2427
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:16,320
Speaker 1: those movies where you're kind of you spend the first

2428
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:18,520
Speaker 1: half of the movie waiting and it's a lot of

2429
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:20,480
Speaker 1: just build up, and then the second half is like

2430
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:23,360
Speaker 1: boom or like those songs like Bob O O'Reilly right,

2431
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:25,360
Speaker 1: where you have that long intro where you're just kind

2432
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:26,600
Speaker 1: of waiting that I ought to hit you with it.

2433
01:55:26,680 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 1: I always fast forward through the intro. I'm not gonna Yeah,

2434
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 1: of course you do, because you hate fun Army Navy.

2435
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:33,880
Speaker 1: There's this build up and build up and the anticipation.

2436
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:36,280
Speaker 1: Everybody's on the edge of their seatson Yeah, boom block

2437
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:38,920
Speaker 1: punt for a touchdown, Boom, fumble on the goal line,

2438
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:42,880
Speaker 1: and it's just the emotions of it are so outstanding.

2439
01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm really disappointed you're not going, because I think if

2440
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:49,440
Speaker 1: you went, you would understand why this game is so special.

2441
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:52,440
Speaker 1: So I encourage everybody, even if you don't have tickets.

2442
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:55,400
Speaker 1: There's all these fan fests going on around Toilette Stadium.

2443
01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:57,760
Speaker 1: They'll have stuff going on that day. College game Day

2444
01:55:57,800 --> 01:55:59,920
Speaker 1: will be here in the morning. Come down, try to

2445
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,240
Speaker 1: There's obviously a bunch of plays up at pass places

2446
01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:04,440
Speaker 1: you can watch the game. I'm sure there's other bars

2447
01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:07,640
Speaker 1: in Boston elsewhere doing watch parties. Try to get somewhere

2448
01:56:07,640 --> 01:56:10,520
Speaker 1: where the game is the focal point and experience the

2449
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 1: energy that comes with this game, because it truly I've

2450
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:16,400
Speaker 1: been a lot of sporting events in my life, I

2451
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:21,520
Speaker 1: have never seen the kind of just anticipatory energy that

2452
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:24,920
Speaker 1: comes with this game. It is special and it's a

2453
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:27,360
Speaker 1: bucket's all list item for a lot of people, not

2454
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:30,080
Speaker 1: just me, and and having gone last year, I truly

2455
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:31,880
Speaker 1: understand why and it is special. All right.

2456
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 2: So there there's your Army Navy. But I'm not gonna

2457
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:36,080
Speaker 2: raid on the parade. I'm not gonna do it, so

2458
01:56:36,120 --> 01:56:37,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave it at that. But I have I

2459
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 2: have Marine. We're pro Navy, right, we're Navy. Yeah, So

2460
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:44,360
Speaker 2: I go with Marine on this one because you know,

2461
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:46,600
Speaker 2: he's a marine, so he doesn't really have you know,

2462
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:49,320
Speaker 2: a direct you know, dog in the fight. But the

2463
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 2: Marine Corps is like technically Navy.

2464
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:53,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll go. Well, it's also got Bill Belichick

2465
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:58,600
Speaker 1: Bob Socy like, wow, yeah, we got Bill. That's how

2466
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:01,120
Speaker 1: you know. I'm a really big you know, my knowledge

2467
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 1: of the armed forces is vast.

2468
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 2: I always do that with like because it's wide receiver

2469
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 2: core or corpse like, you know. I always go back

2470
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:12,000
Speaker 2: and forth on that one too. So I'll say this

2471
01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:15,360
Speaker 2: a little just a little different. It's it's a little different.

2472
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for a good game, which I know people

2473
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:22,480
Speaker 1: roll their eyes at. I treat I do have. My

2474
01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:25,520
Speaker 1: cousin's husband is in the Navy. So that's generally where

2475
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:29,320
Speaker 1: I lean UH. One player in specific I'm looking at

2476
01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:33,000
Speaker 1: is Anton Hall. He's a running back for Navy. He

2477
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 1: had the fumble last year that cost them the game,

2478
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:40,800
Speaker 1: and he was distraught and their coach got fired and

2479
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 1: and you know, people kind of talk about he kind

2480
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:44,080
Speaker 1: of put that on him and coach Ken had been

2481
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:47,080
Speaker 1: in Navy for sixteen years. Is this real monumental moment

2482
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:49,240
Speaker 1: you talk about the stories and the people involved in

2483
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:51,440
Speaker 1: this game. I want to see Anton Hall just have

2484
01:57:51,480 --> 01:57:53,840
Speaker 1: a monster game. That's what I'm rooting for. All right.

2485
01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:56,480
Speaker 2: So there's your army, Navy. I gave you like four

2486
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:57,080
Speaker 2: minutes on it.

2487
01:57:57,120 --> 01:57:58,320
Speaker 1: You dead, you were you were very nice.

2488
01:57:58,360 --> 01:58:01,000
Speaker 2: I was very generous, Alex and I will be back

2489
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:04,160
Speaker 2: next week, probably back on Thursday. Next week with the

2490
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:07,200
Speaker 2: week going back to normal, Patriots Unfiltered is going to

2491
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 2: be coming up here in a couple of minutes, So

2492
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:10,880
Speaker 2: don't go anywhere, and we'll see you guys next week.

2493
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:16,400
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