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Speaker 1: Doug Gottleib Show, five Sports Radio. Hope you're having a

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Speaker 1: great day. It is a Monday. I will tell you

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Speaker 1: that it's not just that the Packers are two and oh,

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Speaker 1: that's just It's not just that, but it's also that

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Speaker 1: the Packers are two and O. I live in Green Bay, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: and I mean it is Indian summer eighty five outside,

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Speaker 1: not a cloud in the sky.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. I look. I know.

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Speaker 1: This too shall pass, but until it does, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: enjoy the heck out.

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Speaker 2: Of it here in north north northeast Wisconsin. All Right.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna hurt myself patting myself on

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Speaker 1: the back, but I may hurt myself patting myself on

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Speaker 1: the back because I told you that this or we

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Speaker 1: asked the question all off season is this the year

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Speaker 1: the year that the league figures out how to actually

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Speaker 1: beat the Chiefs? And I don't know if this will

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Speaker 1: be the entire year or if it's just the beginning

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Speaker 1: of a year in which people have There's been two

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Speaker 1: straight games. Now there's also been two straight games, and

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Speaker 1: this is kind of interesting. There's also been two straight

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Speaker 1: games where the Chiefs have been victims of the other

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Speaker 1: side of officiating. For the last however many years, six

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Speaker 1: seven years, there's been the running conspiracy theory that and

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Speaker 1: you Reid Pat Mahomes, they must have pictures of somebody

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Speaker 1: because they get every call. And now you saw some

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Speaker 1: false starts that were not called against the defending champion

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles last week. There was what appeared to be

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Speaker 1: a pretty obvious hold on the game winning touchdown passed

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Speaker 1: from Justin Herbert, also not called. So the Chiefs fans

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Speaker 1: who have forever been annoying with the what do I

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Speaker 1: mean we get calls? Now they don't get calls two

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Speaker 1: weeks in a row, and you would you would think

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Speaker 1: we said the Lord's name in vain and game the finger.

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Speaker 1: Here's Chris Jones, defensive lineman star for the Kansas Chiefs

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Speaker 1: on the no calls on false start.

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Speaker 3: You know, sometimes can't get them all all the calls right,

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Speaker 3: and just because we see it.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes the official is fifteen to twenty feet away.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it can miss those small things.

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Speaker 4: And we think he jumped multiple times, so an official

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Speaker 4: didn't see it, so it wasn't call.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we got to go play in this out.

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Speaker 5: Is that something you guys have seen on tape before

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Speaker 5: as you prepared.

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Speaker 3: For this, Is that happened?

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Speaker 4: Sometimes it happens. People jump all the time. It's just

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Speaker 4: you know, if the official see it, they'll call it.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they've seen it those few plays, and

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Speaker 4: we didn't get a call.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that was on the Toush push. There were

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Speaker 1: two plays on the tush push where the Eagles appeared

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Speaker 1: to jump, and now one of them the eagle. The

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Speaker 1: Chiefs look like they jumped as well, but still wasn't called.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't called. And and I understand that you can use

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Speaker 1: the old coach speak, you make your own luck, and

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Speaker 1: good teams get calls. Bad teams don't get calls. But

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Speaker 1: it is weird that how now they're right there on

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Speaker 1: that went into loosing the game, but they don't get

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Speaker 1: those important calls. Two weeks in a row, I thought

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Speaker 1: the it's not an indictment of Travis Kelcey, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's a play where you can go.

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Speaker 2: God just he looked a little old on It was.

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Speaker 1: The interception which I think Karen sort of into the

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Speaker 1: and throw a little slant to Travis Kelcey, and it

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Speaker 1: suddenly the defense comes down with it, like that's an indictment.

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Speaker 1: That's what age looks like. You're not incapable of playing.

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Speaker 1: You're just not capable of doing all the things you

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Speaker 1: Do you're gonna do just a little bit slower. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Here's Andy Ree when he was asked about the same

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Speaker 6: If guys are moving early, then you've got to you know,

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Speaker 6: you've got to call that. So they'll go back and

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Speaker 6: look at that and see what their what their evaluation is.

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Speaker 6: you know, and on the sideline there, so it's, uh,

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Speaker 6: you know, sometimes people see things different. So we'll see

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Speaker 6: and I'll be curious to see what what the response is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I thought that was a very

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Speaker 1: measured way of saying it for a head coach. Here's

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Speaker 1: Nick Siriani. Always measured head coach the Eagles on those

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Speaker 1: complaints by the Chiefs about the toush.

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Speaker 7: Push, and I fuss at the referees at times when

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Speaker 7: when I think it goes one way, and I would

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Speaker 7: it's just a good effort because you know, when you're

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Speaker 7: running that play, everyone knows you're running that play. So

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Speaker 7: there's something there's something pretty cool about being able to

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Speaker 7: execute a play when you know exactly what's coming. And

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Speaker 7: it just speaks to the volumes.

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Speaker 2: Of our guys.

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Speaker 7: We work our butts off on it. First of all,

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Speaker 7: it's all about the guys, right, It's all about the

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Speaker 7: guys up front. The tight ends Jalen. The timing of

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Speaker 7: everything obviously won't get into all the things that we

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Speaker 7: do to prepare for it. But you know, it's not

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Speaker 7: an easy play to practice, but our guys do a

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Speaker 7: great job of simulating it as much as we possibly can.

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Speaker 7: You know, during practice, during walkthroughs, different things like that,

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Speaker 7: creativity by our coaches to find ways to do that.

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Speaker 7: As you can see, teams are going to do everything

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Speaker 7: You know, some of the things won't get into that either.

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Speaker 7: I don't want give any other teams a clue to

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Speaker 7: all those things, but I think it always comes down

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Speaker 7: lot of success with that play, and you know, we'll

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Speaker 7: continue to use it to our advantage.

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Speaker 1: So my guess would be that from this point forward,

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Speaker 1: the league gets it and they're going to be super

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Speaker 1: tight with the fall start calls on the Eagles, much

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Speaker 1: like last year, this time there was the film out

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Speaker 1: on the Chiefs and their left tackle being essentially in

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Speaker 1: the backfield, and those were called a bunch in the

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Speaker 1: rest of the season. But let's not let's not get

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Speaker 1: a twisted. Those are miss calls. Chiefs still could have

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Speaker 1: won the game. Ball was in Travis Kelsey's hand right

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Speaker 1: around the one yard line, and the ball bounced up,

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Speaker 1: caring up in the air and it got intercepted. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's not make excuses to know the Chiefs have been

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Speaker 1: in those close games for years and this is the

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Speaker 1: first year where two games in they're losing them. So

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Speaker 1: let's not mistake in ourselves into thinking that the reps

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Speaker 1: are the reason that the Chiefs are zero and two.

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Speaker 1: Some of it you make your own breaks, some of

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Speaker 1: it just the team that's better, will get a break

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Speaker 1: had to get a bad whistle with the officiating, and

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Speaker 1: then you factor in some of the injuries they've had, suspension,

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Speaker 1: they have a wide receiver, and.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: My question all year was all off season, was is

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Speaker 1: this the year that the league has caught up to

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs. They have the Giants on the road, the

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Speaker 1: Ravens at home, the Jaguars in the road, the Lions

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Speaker 1: at home, the Raiders at home, the Commanders at home.

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Speaker 1: So for the most part, you have your tougher teams Ravens, Lions,

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Speaker 1: Commanders of the next six at home, which makes them winnable,

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Speaker 1: and the road games are winnable as well. But right now,

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Speaker 1: you just got to get one to get on the

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Speaker 1: board and get rolling, because with every loss, your probability

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Speaker 1: of making the playoffs decreases, and with every loss, suddenly

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Speaker 1: it will feel and probably become a reality that you

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Speaker 1: won't get as many calls.

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Speaker 1: We got a Monday night football preview Raiders Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Going right now. Oh yeah, that'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: But we do this every Monday and it's just a

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Speaker 1: way of one getting our opinion across, but two share

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Speaker 1: with you some insight into things that ticked us off

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Speaker 1: where it made us feel good.

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Speaker 2: We call it love and hate.

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Speaker 8: What did you love?

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Speaker 2: God?

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Speaker 9: I love you?

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Speaker 8: And what did you hate?

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Speaker 2: Meetle's player hay is.

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Speaker 1: Love love, love, love, love, hate, hate, hate, hate hate?

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Speaker 1: What'd you love? What'd you hate from the weekend? Pretty simple, right,

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Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Dan Byer, what'd you love from

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Speaker 1: the weekend?

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Speaker 10: Doug?

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Speaker 11: Mine is multi layered. What I love from the weekend

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Speaker 11: happened in Pittsburgh yesterday and here's a snapshot of what happens.

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Speaker 12: Oh, let's go through the hands of Cane Johnson.

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Speaker 8: He may have touched on bell.

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Speaker 13: That would be a lot bell. Let's see what the

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Speaker 13: ruling is here.

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Speaker 12: It is a touchdown.

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Speaker 8: It's a touchdown.

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Speaker 12: Oh Seattle gets the score going.

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Speaker 11: On the field.

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Speaker 2: The ball get in the landing zone.

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Speaker 5: On a kickoff, somebody's got to cover it for the

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Speaker 12: It was recovered by the kicking team in the Amazon.

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Speaker 11: Touchdown completely changed the game in Saddle's favor. Yesterday, Caleb

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Speaker 11: Johnson with the air rookie Caleb Johnson, which some have

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Speaker 11: called a rookie mistake. That's what I also love about this.

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Speaker 11: But with this love, there's a bit of hate to it.

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Speaker 11: Fox TV Adam emin on the call there what I

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Speaker 1: what three games in to his fourth season?

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Speaker 2: But why are you.

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Speaker 1: Firing coaches three games in? Like what is the point? Like, well,

442
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Speaker 1: they might turn around, they might win a bunch of games. Okay,

443
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Speaker 1: you can still fire them at the end of the season.

444
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Speaker 1: But you know you don't do you don't put all

445
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Speaker 1: your players up in the air in this turmoil where

446
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Speaker 1: they can get you, they can leave. Every agent, every

447
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Speaker 1: coach in the country's reached out to them.

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Speaker 2: You don't do that. Let them coach the season.

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Speaker 1: If you want to fire them after the season, fire

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Speaker 1: after the season, it's your right to do so.

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Speaker 2: Then you pay him to walk away.

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Speaker 13: I just hate this now, Doug. I know he's your buddy,

453
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Speaker 13: or at least you went to high school with them

454
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Speaker 13: and stuff, and I have a very casual interest in

455
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Speaker 13: college football, so I come.

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Speaker 1: By the way you say, he's also in the conversation

457
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Speaker 1: of worst college football job in the country.

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Speaker 13: But go ahead, well, okay, and if that's the case,

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Speaker 13: that's the case. But I just wish that there was

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Speaker 13: some kind of an indicator, early indicator that maybe this

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Speaker 13: wasn't gonna work out.

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Speaker 2: UCLA and a Big Ten.

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Speaker 14: Where a school that's won what one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 14: three championships, so this fits us being right in this

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Speaker 14: conference football wise, which is excited. You know, I'm sure

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Speaker 14: you guys don't know too much about UCLA but our

467
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Speaker 14: football program, but we're in LA.

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Speaker 13: If only there was like an early indicator that he.

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Speaker 1: It was it wasn't, it wasn't great. It wasn't even good.

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Speaker 1: And it was funny, but it wasn't. Yeah, that wasn't great.

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Speaker 2: Was it great? Feel bad for my guy? Anyway?

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Speaker 1: All right, Jace, you're a resident hater. You love, you hate?

473
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Speaker 2: What do you hate?

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Speaker 13: I'm gonna I'm gonna offer you guys up two words.

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Speaker 13: It's actually one word and one number to be exact.

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Speaker 13: Free four free four is what I hate. Travis Kelcey

477
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Speaker 13: and his teammates thought it would be a smart idea

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Speaker 13: to arrive in T shirts and work out in T

479
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Speaker 13: shirts with that read free four. Now the background there

480
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Speaker 13: is that Roshie Rice, former I want to say, first

481
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Speaker 13: round draft pick receiver of the Chiefs, had agreed to

482
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Speaker 13: be suspended for six games by the NFL this season

483
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Speaker 13: after pleading guilty too felony charges. He was the driver

484
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Speaker 13: in a hit and run that took out several cars

485
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Speaker 13: on a freeway where he was driving recklessly. There were

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Speaker 13: reports of guns. Somehow that gun charge went away in

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Speaker 13: the process of the police. That is open for I

488
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Speaker 13: guess to debate dispute. Why would gun charges go away?

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Speaker 13: He received exactly zero jail time. Instead, he is not

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Speaker 13: going to be able to play the first six weeks

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Speaker 13: of the chief season. Where does Free four come in?

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Speaker 13: He is free, he's not in prison. The only reason

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Speaker 13: he's not in prison is because he's a member of

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Speaker 13: the Kansas City Chiefs. If he's just normal Joe schmol

495
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Speaker 13: in the streets, he recklessly drove into cars at a

496
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Speaker 13: high speed and fled the scene, and there were guns.

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Speaker 13: Not sure where that went, not sure that went, but

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Speaker 13: I will say you got off pretty easy, Chiefs. Free

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Speaker 13: four just seems very uh. I don't know, blind Am

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Speaker 13: I missing something?

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Speaker 10: Dan Byr No, I don't think that you are. But

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Speaker 10: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 11: I've got Andy Reid here talking about those T shirts,

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Speaker 11: and it sounds like he may be missing something. We

505
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Speaker 11: may have to pop the music down a little bit, Chris,

506
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Speaker 11: just to hear this. But here's Andy Reid.

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Speaker 6: I've seen it, sense, I didn't see it then, but

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Speaker 6: I would tell you. I know these guys love Rashie

509
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Speaker 6: and they feel form sitting out here, you know, and

510
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Speaker 6: and so it's I think it's no more than that.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 10: I just.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Sam. I just think that those guys, they

514
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Speaker 6: they they love the kid and want them to feel

515
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Speaker 6: part of it in their own way. I really don't

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Speaker 6: think it's anything more in that sound.

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Speaker 13: I mean, how moronic is this?

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Speaker 2: Doug crazy? I mean, it's again just.

519
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Speaker 1: When you live in your own kind of athlete bubble

520
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Speaker 1: is probably my only way in which I could sort

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Speaker 1: of understand it. But when I was like, like, that's

522
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Speaker 1: not the world hasn't done for she Rice?

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Speaker 2: Wrong? Right, she Rice?

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Speaker 1: The only reason he's not in jail is because he's

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Speaker 1: a member of the Kansas Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: Iright, we're all.

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Speaker 1: And if only there was video of it too, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was a video of it, So I just it's

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Speaker 1: I'd like to feel bad for the Chiefs for not

530
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Speaker 1: getting those two false start calls on the tush push.

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Speaker 1: I would you know, I don't. I'm not a big

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Speaker 1: Eagles guy. Everybody knows that. I think no one really

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Speaker 1: outside of Eagles fans or big Eagles people. But like,

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Speaker 1: what do you like free four? This is not like

535
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Speaker 1: he was incarcerated for a crime he didn't commit. He

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Speaker 1: suspended for football, and that's probably the most lenient punishment

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Speaker 1: he could get.

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Speaker 2: I have zero sympathy for the Chiefs for that.

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Speaker 11: I will also say, and I think that Andy Reid's

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Speaker 11: the SoundBite was interesting because it was a couple of

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Speaker 11: years ago, prior to the Super Bowl, where Andy Reid's

542
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Speaker 11: son Yep, was involved in a traffic accident driving under

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Speaker 11: the influence and severely injured a young child. And there's

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Speaker 11: not much difference in the two things to see. I

545
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Speaker 11: was curious on his perspective of it. Says obviously you

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Speaker 11: heard he didn't know that they were wearing the shirts,

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Speaker 11: But I thought that his angle was an interesting ang a.

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Speaker 11: I was just curious to hear what his opinion was.

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Speaker 11: He said it didn't go too deep, and I sided

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Speaker 11: with Jason.

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Speaker 12: Last part is the important part, to be honest, well,

552
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Speaker 12: real quick, I hate going after Jason on these because

553
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Speaker 12: now I feel like I'm trying to bring it back

554
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Speaker 12: to a lighter tone on the hate rather than you know,

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Speaker 12: everything goes.

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Speaker 10: Chris.

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Speaker 12: I've never been a fan of arch Manning I am.

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Speaker 12: I've had questions about how vaunted he's been. If he

559
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Speaker 12: was named Archi Johnson, we wouldn't be talking about him

560
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 12: this way. I had questions about him getting annointed the

561
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Speaker 12: first overall pick and a Heisman favorite after barely any

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Speaker 12: time last year, and I kind of don't understand the

563
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Speaker 12: obsession with him right now. But what I hate isn't

564
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Speaker 12: arch Manning himself. So arch Manning has the second game,

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Speaker 12: and it's just I think what I hate is the

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Speaker 12: amount of people who have, like who were believing in

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Speaker 12: arch Manning, like someone like Paul fine Bomb who just

568
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Speaker 12: declares himself completely off arch Manning after two games, like

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Speaker 12: there's just no there's no conviction in this anymore. I

570
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Speaker 12: just ask that people be honest about it. I don't

571
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Speaker 12: want you putting up your finger seeing which way the

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Speaker 12: wind is blowing and then immediately jumping off. And again,

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Speaker 12: I haven't really believed in arch Manning from the start,

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Speaker 12: but if you believe in arch Manning, you should probably

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Speaker 12: give him more than two games instead of just doing

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Speaker 12: this flip flop, whimsy washy thing. It's enraging because it's

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Speaker 12: not fair to arch Manning at that point either, like

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Speaker 12: suddenly you go from being his biggest advocate to just like, nope,

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Speaker 12: I'm done. He's not gonna be good for the rest

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Speaker 12: of the season. I don't get him.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the bigger part prefet that I I actually

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Speaker 1: would agree with you on, which is it's not just

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Speaker 1: that they're jumping ship. It's that they didn't know what

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Speaker 1: they were talking about to begin with.

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Speaker 12: Yes, yeah, like again, we had very little to work

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Speaker 12: with with Arch Manning. You anointed him so quickly, which

587
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Speaker 12: was always my concern, but now very almost as quickly,

588
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Speaker 12: you're just ripping the crown away and running for the hills.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's but even even deeper than that, you're Paul

590
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Speaker 1: fine Bomb right, And I I had a buddy actually

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Speaker 1: this weekend, older gentleman who is like, hey, does fine

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Speaker 1: Bomb know what he's talking about? And I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: generally I don't think the answer is yes. But he's

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Speaker 1: been working in the SEC long enough that if he calls,

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Speaker 1: they'll pick up the phone.

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Speaker 2: So the fact is that he obviously.

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Speaker 1: Didn't call, didn't ask anybody, so he had no idea

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Speaker 1: that you know, where Arch was in his development or

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Speaker 1: that he might struggle. So so if anything, he should

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Speaker 1: be self critical and go, hey, that's on me.

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Speaker 2: I didn't do any research.

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Speaker 11: I'll buy everyone's stock if they want to sell, because

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Speaker 11: I am. I'm still and I think it's still absolutely one.

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Speaker 11: I think Chris's line, I know I didn't mean this,

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Speaker 11: but I do want to address the people, say if

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Speaker 11: if his name was Arch Johnson. No, that's one of

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Speaker 11: the reasons why it's not. It's not a it's not

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Speaker 11: an advantage. It's in an NFL world of wanting to

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Speaker 11: know as much as you possibly can about some one

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Speaker 11: and a player to know that there. He comes from

611
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Speaker 11: a football family that has developed one and possibly two

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Speaker 11: Hall of Fame quarterbacks within that family tree, and his

613
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Speaker 11: grandfather was a quarterback in the NFL as well. Sorry,

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Speaker 11: I think that helps you. I just say I think

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Speaker 11: that it does, and there's added pressure that comes with that,

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Speaker 11: But I think that's I think that's a big part of.

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Speaker 10: Who he is.

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Speaker 11: I feel like the last name isn't Manning is kind

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Speaker 11: of a weird shot that sometimes people.

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Speaker 10: Take at him.

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Speaker 2: Dan, you gotta hate go for it.

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Speaker 10: Did you guys see Ken Rosenthal over the weekend? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What was that about?

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Speaker 11: Mean mugging Ken Rosenthal? This is tough his Fox Sports.

625
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Speaker 11: But the video of him after the dousing after the

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Speaker 11: Brewers win a comeback win on Saturday night where he

627
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Speaker 11: knocked over a photog trying to get a picture and

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Speaker 11: then standing over him not a good look. Not a

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Speaker 11: good look at all. And then I heard Ken's apology

630
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Speaker 11: today and it just didn't resonate with me, did not.

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Speaker 11: Hint Holm felt that it was a bit contrived and

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Speaker 11: that he downplayed it. I yeah, I'm not a fan

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Speaker 11: of that at all. Didn't like that.

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Speaker 13: I saw the apology as well. I just don't think

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Speaker 13: that Ken quite understands how viciously he looked at the guy,

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Speaker 13: and like all of us are thinking, Okay, that's the

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Speaker 13: Ken Rosenthal, like in those moments, that's him.

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Speaker 10: He was right, He was.

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Speaker 1: Right, especially because and here's what happens, okay, fairly unfairly right.

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Speaker 1: Like his job as side of the reporter is that's

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Speaker 1: always kind of something light and something fun and hey,

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Speaker 1: like I'm part of the cool guy thing or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And then when you see that moment, it is doubly

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Speaker 1: bad because now you can't every sort of light interaction

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Speaker 1: that he has an interview appears to be completely phony.

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Speaker 13: Exactly, he's literally looking down on the guy, and he's

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Speaker 13: figuratively looking down his nose at the guy. I did

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Speaker 13: like Aj Prazinski's summary of the event says, it looked

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Speaker 13: like I'll lee looking down at listen. That was exactly

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Speaker 13: the way it looked.

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Speaker 1: Fencing dot org slash try fencing. Joe Burrow is reportedly

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Speaker 1: out at least three months with a turf toe injury.

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Speaker 1: Here's Zach Taylor, head coach of CINCINNTI Bengals, talked about

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Speaker 1: the win yesterday and how much the fans of the

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Speaker 1: Bengals helped it.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 5: I looked up as we had the final turnover, they

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Speaker 5: returned to ten and our crowd started this. This crowd

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Speaker 5: was outstanding today. They gave us a huge advantage. I

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Speaker 5: did see people leaving thinking it was over.

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Speaker 1: It.

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Speaker 3: Don't blame them.

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Speaker 5: We just threw a pick on the ten yard line

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Speaker 5: and all our defensive was rise up, get four stops

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Speaker 5: and we go ninety something yards to win the game

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Speaker 5: and trust me, I don't I don't blame anybody. The

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Speaker 5: overall performance today wasn't what our standard is and what

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Speaker 5: we want. And I mean and I asked our fans

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Speaker 5: to start off this game hot, and they started off hot.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that was the standard you set in a

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Speaker 5: home opener from a fan base in terms of being

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Speaker 5: in their seats when I ask, I appreciated that, making

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Speaker 5: life really difficult, difficult. They had to burn an early

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Speaker 5: time out just like we had last week because of

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Speaker 5: the crowd noise, and you could hear them throughout, and

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Speaker 5: we just got to do a better job not having

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Speaker 5: to come back in the last two minutes of the game,

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Speaker 5: putting ourselves in a better position. But again, proud and

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Speaker 5: everybody will learn from this and know that the Bengals

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Speaker 5: are never out of it and we're going to We're

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Speaker 5: gonna continue to find a way to win.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Jake Brown would be the quarterback for the

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Speaker 1: time being. You know, three months is twelve weeks whatever.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of football games. They go to Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: to Denver home versus the Lions, then to Green Bay. Yikes,

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Speaker 1: that is a tough tough schedule. The back end of

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Speaker 1: their schedule. You know, last three games are Dolphins, Cardinals, Browns.

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Speaker 1: So if he's back and they need a couple of wins,

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Speaker 1: it's not crazy. You think he could get that done,

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Speaker 1: but unlikely. Speaking of the Vikings game, right, Tom Tellsco

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Speaker 1: is going to join us, I'm gonna ask him about

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Speaker 1: turf toe. He's dealt with it all twelve years as

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Speaker 1: a general manager. But as much as Jake Browning is

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Speaker 1: the starting quarterback for the Bengals, causing.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people to go like, whooh yeh.

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Speaker 1: It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, and

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Speaker 1: I consider our show really lucky to have Tom Telesco

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Speaker 1: as a weekly guest, not even thinking about the fact

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Speaker 1: that Week two is the Telasco Bowl on Monday Night football.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 1: Two teams that he built, the Raiders where he walked

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Speaker 1: into a project which was kind of half completed, then

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Speaker 1: he walked out when it was sort of half completed, right,

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Speaker 1: and the Chargers that he built several times over into

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Speaker 1: a winner. He's Tom Telesco, he's the former general manager

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Speaker 1: of the Chargers and the Raiders, and he's our guest

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Speaker 1: here weekly on the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Have you thought about what tonight's gonna be like with

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Speaker 1: that game on TV?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll tell you what. I will say that the

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Speaker 9: Raiders are definitely We're not half completed by me. I

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Speaker 9: was only there for a year. But the Chargers, you know,

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Speaker 9: eleven years as a GM, so I just know so

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Speaker 9: many people there. Still know a good amount of the players,

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Speaker 9: even though they've they've made some pretty good additions since then.

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Speaker 9: But it's gonna be really interesting because I just know

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Speaker 9: both teams really really well and washing and play against themselves.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, it's gonna be a little bit strange. I

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Speaker 9: will say I was just looking at the game, like

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Speaker 9: the Chargers defense is like this kind of goes under

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Speaker 9: the radar, I think a little bit because of Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 9: But they're doing a great job on that side of

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Speaker 9: the ball. They're just out in the middle and they

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Speaker 9: got Derwin James and Dan Henley kind of rangey both

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Speaker 9: both run and past. So it's gonna be a really

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Speaker 9: interesting games tonight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it will be very very interesting. We'll circle back

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Speaker 1: to the game in a second. Have you ever had

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Speaker 1: one of your top players? I mean, you had so

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Speaker 1: many things you've been through as GM, and then you

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Speaker 1: go back to your time in India and have you

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Speaker 1: ever had a guy, have a high level player have

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Speaker 1: turf tows.

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Speaker 9: It's not coming to mind. And believe me, at a

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Speaker 9: GM like you, you spend a lot of time with

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Speaker 9: your team doctors during the season. Price spend more time

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Speaker 9: with them by far than even the college scouts. It's

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Speaker 9: a common injury. It wasn't really common for quarterbacks. It's

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Speaker 9: more common for field position players, receivers, dbs and sometimes

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Speaker 9: a combo player, a linebacker, running back. But I don't remember,

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Speaker 9: and I'm sure we have. But what I do know

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Speaker 9: because I know we had some grade one and grade two.

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Speaker 9: The grade three is pretty significant. So you're looking at

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Speaker 9: surgery and I know they're saying twelve weeks, but I

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Speaker 9: mean that's that's if everything goes perfect, which I don't.

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Speaker 9: I just don't. To me, they have to get ready

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Speaker 9: for Jake Brian to finish the season as the quarterback.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if it's realistic, but this type of

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Speaker 9: injury and the surgery and then how you have to

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Speaker 9: play with it. He'll be fine, Joe Burrow, He'll be

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Speaker 9: fine in the end, he'll be one hundred percent next year,

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Speaker 9: but for this year, it's an extremely difficult just to

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Speaker 9: be able to plant and throw with that injury. But

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Speaker 9: I can't remember very many great threes, but I do remember,

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Speaker 9: you know, we've had great ones of great twos, and

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Speaker 9: the question was always if you do get to a

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Speaker 9: two you can kind of manage a little bit. I

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Speaker 9: think Philip Rivers had some sort of turf toe at

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Speaker 9: some point of my career there, but it was something

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Speaker 9: he could always kind of manage through, whether it's you

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Speaker 9: can put it like a steel shank in your shoe

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Speaker 9: just to kind of limit the mobility of the toe,

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Speaker 9: sometimes getting an injection and kind of play through it.

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Speaker 1: If you're the Bengals and this is a position you

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Speaker 1: have been in, rightquarterback goes down, you got Jake Browning,

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Speaker 1: And for those of us are old enough to remember,

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Speaker 1: like Jake Browning was like maybe the top two or

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Speaker 1: three prospects in the country before he went to college, right,

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Speaker 1: and so I mean he's a backup.

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Speaker 2: What do you add?

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Speaker 1: And and again let me I I don't need to

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Speaker 1: add my thoughts because you've been in this position. Okay,

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Speaker 1: quarterback goes down, starting quarterback goes down, you got a backup.

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Speaker 1: Now you got to add one. Take me through, like today,

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Speaker 1: you walk into the office and what's the discussion, Like, well.

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Speaker 9: I mean, for the first discussion, is that Jake brown

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Speaker 9: the one that we're gonna go with for the rest

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Speaker 9: of the year, And in this particular situation, they answered

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Speaker 9: absolutely yes. You know, he's not a big name, but

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Speaker 9: he's a he's a big name in NFL circles. I mean,

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Speaker 9: he's played well in Joe's absence. He's got great pocket poise,

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Speaker 9: and he's really really accurate. And the fact that he's

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Speaker 9: already played a good amount of snaps for the Bengals

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Speaker 9: and for Zach Taylor leads you that, hey, this is

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Speaker 9: In they'de a lot of investments at receiver and tight

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Speaker 9: end and those guys are gonna have to step up

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Speaker 9: and raise their level of play. Two for the quarterback position.

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Speaker 9: So in the second part for the front office, okay,

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Speaker 9: well we need another backup, because God forbid something happens

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Speaker 9: to Jake Browning, we have to have somewhere to go

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Speaker 9: and probably you know, the Bengals are a good team.

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Speaker 9: Preferably you'd like to have a veteran that could be

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Speaker 9: the backup. Right now is just you know, there's just

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Speaker 9: not The pool right now is obviously very small because

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Speaker 9: you don't what you don't want to have to do

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Speaker 9: is shake Briant gets hurt in your season completely over.

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Speaker 9: But unfortunately for money, once you get to your third quarterback,

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Speaker 9: it's going to be extremely difficult. So right now it's

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Speaker 9: about trying and find the right third quarterback. And usually

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Speaker 9: at this time of the year, you prefer that quarterback

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Speaker 9: has some familiarity either with your coordinator slash head coach

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Speaker 9: or has some familiarity with the type of offense that

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Speaker 9: you run, because you may have to player the later.

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Speaker 9: You just never know. So that's the discussion today, is Okay,

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Speaker 9: who's now the backup? Is he currently on our practice

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Speaker 9: squad or is he someone that we to go outside

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Speaker 9: the team to go get.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well help me out here. Okay, So Dan Pitcher

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Speaker 1: is the offensive four dator for the Bengals, you know,

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Speaker 1: and so what is what's his kind of family tree?

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Speaker 1: Like who what offense is that? Like where you can

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Speaker 1: find somebody with familiarity towards it.

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Speaker 9: Well, Dan's been there a long time. Actually, Dan Pitcher

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Speaker 9: worked in our scouting department and when I was with

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Speaker 9: the Coole and then he transitioned into coaching after that

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Speaker 9: and he vote the Bengals for a long time. So

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Speaker 9: he's been there with Zach Taylor. He's been there with

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Speaker 9: Brian Callahan who was there. So if there's someone from

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Speaker 9: the Callahan tree that's available, you know, maybe that's somebody

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Speaker 9: they take a look at. But Dan's a really sharp

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Speaker 9: coach and he's gonna have to get whatever the quarterback is.

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Speaker 9: Even with the familiarity, he's gonna have to get them

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Speaker 9: up the speed as quickly as possible. And look, it

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Speaker 9: could be something where that we just promote a quarterback

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Speaker 9: from our practice squad initially and that player throws us

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Speaker 9: the backup as we go through our process to make

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Speaker 9: sure we add the right quarterback at the backup. It

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Speaker 9: doesn't have to be by tomorrow, you know, it could

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Speaker 9: be by next week or the week after to find

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Speaker 9: the right guy. Because they do have quarterbacks on them,

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Speaker 9: they have at least one on the practice squad.

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Speaker 2: So well, I ask you, because like Kirk Cousins. Does

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Speaker 2: that work?

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Speaker 9: I don't think that works, just because they have the

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Speaker 9: starter right now who they feel good about. So I

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Speaker 9: don't think you'd be looking to make a trade for

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Speaker 9: Kirk Cousins to come in your backup at this point.

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Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice

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Speaker 1: of Tom to lescou He's he was the general manager

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Speaker 1: of the Chargers for eleven years, with the Raiders for

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Speaker 1: a year, and he's kind of to spend some time

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Speaker 1: this year on a weekly basis on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,

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Speaker 1: is the is the Dolphins? Are the Dolphins fixable?

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Speaker 9: Well, this is a good news. I thought the offense

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Speaker 9: was much better from Week one to Week two, so

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Speaker 9: you've got that to hang your hat on. You you

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Speaker 9: saw improvement with two and with the offense in general.

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Speaker 9: To me, the bigger issue was the Patriots don't have

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Speaker 9: a premier offense yet and the Dolphins defense really struggles

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Speaker 9: for the second straight week. So that's the issue right now,

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Speaker 9: and it's going to take everybody, you know, including you know,

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Speaker 9: leadership from the head coach and then really the assistant

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Speaker 9: coaches putting a plan together, a scheme together on both

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Speaker 9: sides to try and make some improvements because it's tough.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it's tough for any team to go in

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Speaker 9: to start a year zero to two. It's such a

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Speaker 9: long offseason. There's so much hope with every organization going

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Speaker 9: into the season, and we don't play well right off

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Speaker 9: the bat. It takes a lot of leadership, both with

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Speaker 9: the coaching staff and in the locker room to kind

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00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 9: of overcome that which they can, which they definitely can,

873
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 9: but it's gonna take a lot of work moving forward.

874
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 9: But the good thing is that I saw some better

875
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 9: signs on offense, especially in the passing game, that they

876
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 9: got better from Week one to week two.

877
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: The Kansas City Chiefs, they lose again at home end

878
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: of the third quarter.

879
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: Travis Kelce he drops the ball.

880
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: You know, Mahomes sort of led him a little bit,

881
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: but I mean he hit him in the hands and

882
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: he bumbles it and he gets intercepted. Uh what was

883
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: that was the pass off or was that a sign

884
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: of Kelsey losing a half step and that's why he

885
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: was behind with that ball actually ended up?

886
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 9: I mean, it's hard to say. I mean it was

887
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 9: such a fluky play. So unfortunately, those plays happened. But

888
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 9: to me, the bigger thing was that the Chiefs last

889
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 9: couple of years, they've had an outstanding defense and then

890
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 9: Mahome has made a lot of plays on offense. They've

891
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 9: had enough on offense to win, but it's really been

892
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 9: a defensive team. So in Week one against the Chargers,

893
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 9: a little uncare characteristic of how they performed. But the

894
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 9: defense rebounded this week. I thought they looked much better,

895
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 9: got some pressure, you know, played the run pretty well.

896
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 9: So that was that was great, but the problem the

897
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 9: offense just didn't have any juice again, and you know,

898
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 9: the the running game just hasn't he had never been

899
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 9: a focal point of the chart of the of the Chiefs,

900
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 9: but they're not getting a lot there that you know,

901
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 9: both tackle spots struggled last year and it's kind of

902
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 9: continuing on this year. And the Eagles really challenged the tackles.

903
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 9: They got a lot of one on ones and they

904
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 9: won a lot of the one on ones. And Eagles

905
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 9: played a lot of man coverage and forced the receivers

906
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 9: the char of the Chiefs to win and they didn't

907
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 9: win that much. So, you know, the good news for

908
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 9: the Chiefs is, look this offense is not a lot

909
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 9: different than last year's and you know they'll get They'll

910
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 9: get Rice back soon, Rachi right back soon. They made

911
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 9: a Super Bowl with this type of offense. But the

912
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 9: margin for errors is a lot smaller right now. But

913
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 9: the defense had to keep coming along, keep playing the

914
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 9: way that they need to play. But offensively, they just

915
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 9: have a lot of holes right now that are just

916
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 9: really being focused on more so this year than other years.

917
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: The the Steelers have some holes as well. A team

918
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: that's put together kind of win now, and they really

919
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: struggled offensively against the Seahawks.

920
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 2: What issues did you see?

921
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 9: Well, I mean some of the same things that that

922
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 9: showed up in Week one. It's just like each week

923
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 9: is just you know, week to week, depending on your opponent,

924
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 9: depending on your opponent's strengths and weaknesses are different, and

925
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 9: it only take a little couple of little things and

926
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 9: you have, you know, a special teams are that gives

927
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 9: up points.

928
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 10: It kills you.

929
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 9: Aaron Ryders still made some throws, some very good throws.

930
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 9: But when when you get pressure on an older quarterback

931
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 9: who used to be mobile, who's just not mobile anymore,

932
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 9: it makes for a difficult time. And that's why past

933
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 9: protection for them is going to be key this year

934
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 9: because if you can give Aaron Rodgers some time, he

935
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 9: can still throw it. He gets the ball out quick

936
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 9: you know, he knows where to go with the football

937
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 9: obviously and process quickly. But you know the rest of

938
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 9: the offense, as far as the run game, pass protection,

939
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 9: you know, that didn't wasn't where it needed to be

940
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 9: this week. It wasn't where it needed to be in

941
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 9: Week one either, And then the thing that thought they'd

942
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 9: be able to rely on is the defense. The defense

943
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 9: is really strong and that's still coming along. So this

944
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 9: is one of those things. I think the defense will

945
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 9: kind of come back to where it needs to be

946
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 9: as you get the week three and four. I think

947
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 9: they're much better than how they're playing. Picemith getting hurt

948
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 9: is not gonna help, but luckily it's not season ending.

949
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 9: But this is one where the defense really needs to

950
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 9: step up as well.

951
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy struggled. Now obviously, first game, struggled in the

952
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: first half. Some of the second half. They put it together.

953
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: They win a game this week. It's just it wasn't.

954
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 2: Great, right.

955
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: What did the what the Falcons do to confuse the

956
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: rookie or second year player, but first year starting.

957
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know if there's so much confusion. I

958
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 9: actually saw. I know he didn't play great. I know

959
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 9: the numbers weren't weren't good, but I did see some

960
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 9: positives from McCarthy because he does show and it's not

961
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 9: consistent yet, but he does show the ability to be

962
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 9: in the pocket, progress through his reads and anticipate and

963
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 9: make make throws. Now, one of the bigger issues right

964
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 9: now for Minnesota is Christian Darrisa is not playing left

965
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 9: tackle because he's hurt. So they had justin school in

966
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 9: the game and he got hurt to their third tackle

967
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 9: was in the game. The starting center Ryan Kelly went

968
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 9: out with an injury, so he had a lot of

969
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 9: pressure early. The Falcons did a great job on the

970
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 9: edges getting pressure, which is something that we've been saying

971
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 9: for years, like will they ever add you know, pass

972
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 9: rush help, will they ever add edge help. It was

973
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 9: funny every year in the draft, I thought there was

974
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 9: a number one need and they always win in a

975
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 9: different direction, including when they draft the Pennix. But this

976
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 9: year they went out and you know, first two picks

977
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 9: or pass rushers and those two guys are playing well,

978
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 9: so they got a lot of pressure on McCarthy. But

979
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 9: I still saw some positives in McCarthy's play. But it's

980
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 9: just going to be a process with them. I mean,

981
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 9: especially a rookie quarterback. He's seeing everything for the first time.

982
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 9: The defensive line is not quite as strong now as

983
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 9: it was last years Sam Darnold, and that's really due

984
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 9: to injury. It will get back to where it was,

985
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 9: so that's going to help them. But yeah, that was

986
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 9: that was a tough watch last night, and that's kind

987
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 9: of the you know, the life of the rookie quarterback.

988
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: What do NFL people think about the Colts new owner

989
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: on the sideline listening to the play calls taking notes.

990
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 9: Well, I think from the Colts standpoint, they're just used

991
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 9: to it because she's been doing that for a number

992
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 9: of years, all the way back to when Frank Rich

993
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 9: was there. So for them, it's it's just it's part

994
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 9: of their process. So I think if you're a player

995
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 9: head coach, you know, if you're secure enough in what

996
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 9: you do, I wouldn't even be concerned about it, wouldn't

997
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 9: be worried about it. So is it different and unique? Yeah?

998
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 12: It is.

999
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 9: But that's one of the great things about the Colts.

1000
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 9: They do some things outside the box. And that's your

1001
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 9: versary legacy right there, of just trying to think outside

1002
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 9: the box and do some different things. So but like

1003
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 9: I said, she's been doing that for so long, it's uh,

1004
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 9: you know, for them, it's just second mature.

1005
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: What what tack happened to? Justin fields? I mean again,

1006
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: you talked about Pittsburgh's defense. He looked great last week.

1007
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean, really, really, what was it? What the Bills do?

1008
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 9: I don't it's I don't use anything Buffalo did. I

1009
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 9: just think it's you know what the type a player

1010
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 9: that susin fields is. I mean, I know he made

1011
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 9: some throws in Week one, but if you look at

1012
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 9: the whole body of work over the course of his career,

1013
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 9: you know, he's never really been a sit in the

1014
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 9: pocket it's third and twelve and be able to convert

1015
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 9: those at a high percentage. You know, he's more of

1016
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 9: a you know throw Some of our pos use his

1017
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 9: feat us his feat the scramble. He used to seat

1018
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 9: the scramble to throw, not always the run. But then

1019
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 9: if he runs, he's a dynamic runner. But you know,

1020
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 9: what's kind of cut up with him with in Chicago

1021
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 9: and Pittsburgh is just, you know, is that traditional staying

1022
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 9: in the pocket on third down and reading it out

1023
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 9: and making an accurate throw. So it's just kind of

1024
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 9: his body of work of what it's been. So he

1025
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 9: has to use his feet. They have to have an

1026
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 9: offense they can really do that to get him outside

1027
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 9: the pocket where it's runner throw. He's such a dynamic athlete,

1028
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 9: he's got a strong arm, he's a tremendous leader. He

1029
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 9: just got to play into the strengths and trying to

1030
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 9: minimize the weaknesses. And you know this week Buffalo really

1031
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 9: you know, went after his weaknesses and did a great job.

1032
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 2: Leap shure here on Fox Sports Radio.

1033
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: Okay, now comes the hard part Raiders Chargers in Vegas.

1034
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 2: Who wins?

1035
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 9: Well, Doug, I don't do predictions, all right, but the

1036
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 9: big thing right now, does Brock Bauers player or not?

1037
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 9: And my guess is if he plays, I don't I

1038
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 9: don't know if he's going to be one hundred percent.

1039
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 9: He's such a big part of that offense. You know,

1040
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 9: he's one of their dynamic players. So I'm curious to

1041
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 9: see what Chip Kelly does if rock Byers isn't one

1042
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 9: hundred percent or doesn't play like, how are they going

1043
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 9: to how they're going to manage this? So the Raiders

1044
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 9: that the question going in the year. With the Raiders

1045
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 9: on defense with their secondary and against the Patriots, you

1046
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 9: wouldn't have known the difference because their secondary play extremely well.

1047
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 9: But this offense has a lot better receivers than the

1048
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 9: Patriots do currently between the Conki and Keenan Allen, I

1049
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 9: think it's gonna be a great test for the Raiders

1050
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 9: DBS to see how they can hold up. They held

1051
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 9: up just fine against the Patriots. We'll see this week.

1052
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 9: So but this is going to be fascinating just to

1053
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 9: watch Justin Herbert and and and Gino Smith go at it.

1054
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 9: But yeah, I've got this is just for me. I

1055
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 9: got twelve years between these two teams, but eleven with

1056
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 9: one team and one with the other. But I can't

1057
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 9: do prediction.

1058
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: On this one, Tommy, great stuff, man. We're glad you

1059
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: don't do predictions. We don't like them either. We know

1060
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: you got to run.

1061
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: Appreciate you being our guest.

1062
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: Enjoy watching, enjoy watching two houses, one that you built

1063
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: and then built and then built another one that you

1064
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: had a piece of the building.

1065
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: Thanks for being our guests.

1066
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 9: You got it.

1067
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: Thanks Doug