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Speaker 1: Right now, let's talk with Dallas Cowboys executive vice president

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Speaker 1: Stephen Jones. Good morning, sir, Good morning guys. How you

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Speaker 1: do it? We're good now. I feel like we almost

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Speaker 1: cracked you last week with some fun word play. Can

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Speaker 1: I take another shot at it? Absolutely? I like you,

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Speaker 1: all right if we can get I guess just a

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Speaker 1: penny for your thoughts, if you can tell us the

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Speaker 1: parson or Parsons that you guys might draft that would

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Speaker 1: make the rest of the NFL pay well. Obviously very creative. Again,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not ready to crack. Okay, fair enough now,

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Speaker 1: I want to get to the draft. But also, within

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Speaker 1: the last eight minutes or so, we are getting word

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Speaker 1: that Sean Lee is retiring. Can you tell us anything

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Speaker 1: about any discussions you've had with him or confirm that

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Speaker 1: or anything along those lines. Well, we've had a lot

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Speaker 1: of discussions with Sean and you know, obviously he's just

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Speaker 1: such a special guy to us. He's been, you know,

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Speaker 1: a great leader for us and great football player. But

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Speaker 1: you know, certainly uh, you know, having discussions about you know,

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Speaker 1: what his future is going to be. But I think

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Speaker 1: he's the right one to really speak to that. And

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Speaker 1: until he does that, and uh, you know, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: kind of wait and see what he has to say. Well,

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Speaker 1: I am kind of curious, Steven, whenever you've talked to

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Speaker 1: you know, you've seen a lot of players retire. Whenever

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Speaker 1: you talk to them, what is their typical like biggest purpose.

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Speaker 1: Is it the physical part of the sport or is

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Speaker 1: there something else that is a deeper thing there? I

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Speaker 1: think that's it. And it's just these great ones, whether

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Speaker 1: it's a Winton, whether it's a league, you know, these

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Speaker 1: great football players, they're so driven to compete and be great,

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Speaker 1: I think in our particular case, unfortunately, they also want

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Speaker 1: to keep coming back to get that elusive championship ring.

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Speaker 1: And uh, they're just such fierce competitors that you know,

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Speaker 1: it's very difficult for them to step aside in spite

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Speaker 1: very you know, that's what made them great, and what

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Speaker 1: the best, and certainly they're desired for, you know, to

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Speaker 1: want to win championships for their teams, So you know

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Speaker 1: that part of it's difficult, and I think certainly those

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Speaker 1: two things are huge driving factors that keep that keep

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Speaker 1: these uh keep these great football players going. Steven, if

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Speaker 1: I have your career right, you were a linebacker at Arkansas. Correct,

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Speaker 1: I was actually a hybrid. I was a cross between

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Speaker 1: a biker and a safety as a rover. So as

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Speaker 1: mainly a special teams player would be the better way

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Speaker 1: to play. Okay. I was wondering when it comes to

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Speaker 1: you relate more to defense? Do you relate more to

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Speaker 1: a position? Is there a spot when you watch you're

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Speaker 1: like man, I always seem to be very good at

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Speaker 1: my predictions right. Well, as you know, I was, I

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Speaker 1: And then as you do know, my son, as you know,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I, you know, I enjoy scouting all

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Speaker 1: One of the things, you know, a lot of people

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Speaker 1: or know the whole offense because they've studied the game.

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Speaker 1: But you know, probably the hardest thing at the end

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Speaker 1: It's not just what they put on tape. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: their football character, their personal character. Unfortunately, their health and

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Speaker 1: And that's a long winded way of answering your question,

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Speaker 1: but uh, you know, it's just an interesting thing that

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys have not been afraid to take some risks

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Speaker 1: on people with injuries or potential character background issues. How

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Speaker 1: does that conversation go internally with the team, Like, how

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Speaker 1: all that comes into play. But certainly you take guys

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Speaker 1: five three, the fantas we got Draft week coming up

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Speaker 1: on us right now, when I do want to kind

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Speaker 1: of hit real quick on Shaun Lee one more time.

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Speaker 1: If if the you know, he does announce and make

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Speaker 1: we need more depth there. Well, obviously you know the

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Speaker 1: it's right around the corner, all right, Steven. So there's

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