WEBVTT - By the Power of the Moon: Dr. Dante

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Saren Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, dude, I got a question for you.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a question for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fine, you guys first, what's your question?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what's ridiculous? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I do? Oh, okay, okay, Mark Twain and Tesla.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like Tesla the guy, the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, like Nicola Tesla, my dude, right, two of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite guys in history. Do you know they were friends?

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<v Speaker 3>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were really good friends. They met in a

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<v Speaker 2>gentleman's social club and both like billiards. That's not what's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>What's ridiculous is that Tesla once played a really crappy

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<v Speaker 2>joke on his friend. Yeah. So in the past, Mark Twain,

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<v Speaker 2>he complained to Tesla about how he had this really bad,

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<v Speaker 2>recurring bouts of constipation. Right, So Tesla's like, oh, don't worry,

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<v Speaker 2>I got you, buddy, I got this new invention. You

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<v Speaker 2>got to come by my lab, but it'll hook you

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<v Speaker 2>all up. And he's like, really, for reals, yeah, come

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<v Speaker 2>by it. He's so he goes and he checks it

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<v Speaker 2>out and this is vibrating, humming, oscillating metal disc. He's

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<v Speaker 2>like how is this gonna help my my constipation? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>all jammed up, Tesla. And Tesla's like, oh no, here's

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<v Speaker 2>what you do. You get on this and it imparts

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<v Speaker 2>vitality and he's like, what do you mean in parts

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<v Speaker 2>of by tell he's this one of your electric doo

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<v Speaker 2>witsy He's like, yeah, yes, this is one of my electrict.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, what do you mean get on it?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, So this is what he says, is you go,

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<v Speaker 2>when you stand on top of this stand metal oscillating

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<v Speaker 2>disc and oscillating just going up and down, but don't right.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's like, yeah, you go, do stand on that

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<v Speaker 2>and it'll give you this really pleasing feeling and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to worry about being constipated. It'll be basically

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<v Speaker 2>shake it at you. And he's like what He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh are you for real? To Tesla and fast you

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<v Speaker 2>can say Caliverari's county. He jumped right up on there,

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<v Speaker 2>and Tesla he told him, now, when I tell you

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<v Speaker 2>Twain to get off this thing, you gotta get off right.

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<v Speaker 2>And Mark Twain's like, oh you bet, you don't you

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<v Speaker 2>worry about that? Flip the switch, Tesla, And so Tesla's

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<v Speaker 2>like go now. You can imagine him like in his

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<v Speaker 2>white suit and Tesla's there and like the black rubber

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<v Speaker 2>smock and gloves and electricity is arcing everywhere in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, okay, stand still, Twain, and he hits the

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<v Speaker 2>switch right, and electricity surges through the cables and then

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<v Speaker 2>now arcing right and everything's sparking and going crazy. And

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<v Speaker 2>inside this crazy voltage crackling all around him is Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Twain and he's just delighted. He's laughing. It feels like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like MDMA, but electricity.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, He's just this amazing He's not like getting electrically

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<v Speaker 3>just beggled.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, there's like a surge of Like the Tesla

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<v Speaker 2>it had figured out ways to run lots of voltage

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<v Speaker 2>around as long as you didn't run a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>ampage into the person. So it's the amps that kill you,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the voltage.

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<v Speaker 3>So I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the amperage was was was not so much that

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<v Speaker 2>it could hurt him. So the vaults are just racing

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<v Speaker 2>past him, just basically sparking the air, right, so just

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<v Speaker 2>turning into like a light show of crackling electricity. And

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<v Speaker 2>so this was the Tesla is just like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>telling Twain, Oh you enjoy any Twains, it is great.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, okay, now you need you need to get

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<v Speaker 2>down off the disk. In Twain it's like, nah, I'm fine,

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<v Speaker 2>this is great. He's like, no, no, you really need

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<v Speaker 2>to get down off the disk. And Twain it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't tell me what to do when I'm having pleasure, boy,

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<v Speaker 2>just leave me alone. And so he does, and Tesla's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well you'll find out for yourself. And all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>Twain found out for himself it had indeed done what

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<v Speaker 2>it had been practiced and purported to do. It had

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<v Speaker 2>imparted vitality, and it had jiggled everything loose. He started

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<v Speaker 2>to feel the first leak cawling down his leg and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, Tesla, my man, the water closet post haste.

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<v Speaker 2>And he had to make a bee line for the

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<v Speaker 2>water closet. And Tesla just pointed out and he had

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<v Speaker 2>made Mark Twain soil his white suit.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, yes, I thought you were gonna say. He said,

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<v Speaker 3>to stand on a plate and it would jiggle him,

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<v Speaker 3>just jiggle the dukie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well no, that was it did.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's all the lights stuff going around electricity, so

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<v Speaker 3>weird science.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly. He was ever seen like the things where

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<v Speaker 2>he's like sitting in his like lab and there's like

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<v Speaker 2>this huge arcing reactor to just kind of imagine that

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<v Speaker 2>that was his laboratory.

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<v Speaker 3>Why aren't people doing that now? Like, doesn't that seem

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<v Speaker 3>like something that be doing Instagram people totally come into

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<v Speaker 3>my orb.

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<v Speaker 2>They do actually do this. You know. They have the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff now where they strap on like this oscillating thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's supposed to jiggle your muscles into being stronger and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a late night kind of TV ad. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll get the it'll get the poop addy and the muscles.

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<v Speaker 2>India interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, check that out that that's ridiculous. A lot of

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<v Speaker 3>it that's so ridiculous. Do you want to know what

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<v Speaker 3>else is ridiculous? Or for it hypnotizing your way to millions?

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me more.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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<v Speaker 3>and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent ridiculous. You are damn right, Yes, my nephew, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he's four. Yes, I've talked about him a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>on the show before totally good kid. He has this

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<v Speaker 3>thing now where he holds out his hand like baby

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<v Speaker 3>Yoda and he says, by the power of the moon,

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<v Speaker 3>I hypnotize you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, I've seen him do this. Yeah, you're shown. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>show me the videos.

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<v Speaker 3>Of then, because I always play. Yeah, he orders me

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<v Speaker 3>around to have fun here we do, we have, we

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<v Speaker 3>have fun. The last time he was over here, he

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<v Speaker 3>hypnotized me and told me to walk into the kitchen okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and then he told me to pick up a watermelon

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<v Speaker 3>that was on the counter, and like, at this point

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he was going to make me drop it

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<v Speaker 3>on the floor or like set it on my head.

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<v Speaker 2>Gallagher gag.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I was prepared to like, oh, I broke

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<v Speaker 3>the spell, look at me. And then he told me

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<v Speaker 3>my order cut it and serve it to me before.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like a really clever way to ask for

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<v Speaker 3>of course I did, but it was really hilarious, like, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>cut it, and that's the only time I've ever been hypnotized.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>You said before I think on here that you don't

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<v Speaker 3>think you can be hypnotized.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't believe that I can. So therefore I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's possible. I won't submit to what you

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<v Speaker 2>have to do, which is this power of suggestion same

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean only if I'm told to pick up a watermelon.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm mule stubborn.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, like people get into it though.

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<v Speaker 2>Recom people all the time. I'm suggesting it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>Just you have to think it works exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's like the subliminal messaging hypnosis where people listen

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<v Speaker 3>to tapes while they sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know somebody work for them, so I believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's the hypnosis we see on TV procedurals

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<v Speaker 3>where a victim is hypnotized to remember facts.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about that, so.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard that happens on shows. And then there's entertainment

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<v Speaker 3>hypnosis like loungejacks magician.

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, walk like a chick in clock like a duck.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like there were more of these in like

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<v Speaker 3>the sixties through the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>There's more all the nightclub aacs. That's why it fill off.

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<v Speaker 3>People don't go to club.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thereose are old nightclub Take vaudeville, run that into

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<v Speaker 2>the nightclub. After TV kills off vaudeville and then he

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<v Speaker 2>goes underground, becomes a little darker, a little more edgy,

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<v Speaker 2>little sexier, and then it gets killed by the seventies

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<v Speaker 2>with the Dean Martin Row.

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<v Speaker 3>No, the seventies eighties we had hypnotists. I think the

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<v Speaker 3>nineties is when I'm talking about the nightclub acs my hypnosis.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that you could catch like a hypnotist show

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<v Speaker 3>now in Vegas or Branson.

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<v Speaker 2>People do that stuff. People will still love that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there's one notorious hypnotist from the loungeacked hypnotist area.

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<v Speaker 3>If you say hypnotist too many times stopped chizing its. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was this guy also a ridiculous criminal. Ronald Peller,

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<v Speaker 3>come on down. Yeah. He was born in nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 3>and he said in an interview that he grew up

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<v Speaker 3>in Kuala Lumpur with his parents, his brother, and his sister.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he said his sister and his parents died there,

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<v Speaker 3>that they were killed in an attack by Malaysian insurgents,

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<v Speaker 3>sad story. And then he and his brother got shipped

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<v Speaker 3>off to an orphanage in Chicago. Okay, the boys dipped

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<v Speaker 3>out on the orphanage when he was eleven, so like

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen forty one, they started living on the streets and

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<v Speaker 3>thus began their criming ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>They would take cheap watches, it'd stick them in the

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<v Speaker 3>packaging of expensive ones and then sell them on the street.

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<v Speaker 2>Classics.

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<v Speaker 3>Classic. He saved, and he saved that sweet watch money.

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<v Speaker 3>And when he was eighteen, he rented a suite at

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<v Speaker 3>the Palmer House hotel and he and all his little streeters.

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<v Speaker 2>Like his eighteenth birthday or just like I'm eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>I I think I'm eighteen, and now they'll let me

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<v Speaker 3>run around. Okay, So he had all this little group

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<v Speaker 3>of minions, his little urchins, and they said, come on

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<v Speaker 3>live with me, so they all live there. Later he

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<v Speaker 3>told his future wife that he was raised in Singapore.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, they are starting to sound like lies.

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<v Speaker 3>He said he went to college there and eventually got

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<v Speaker 3>a doctorate in psychology.

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<v Speaker 2>But the truth I've said that at parties on the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>Zarin is that he grew up in Chicago with his

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<v Speaker 3>parents and his brother. No adventures in Southeast only adventures

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<v Speaker 3>in his head.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, the ones in the mid ones in the mine.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're the best kind.

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<v Speaker 3>By the nineteen sixties, he was performing as a nightclub hypnotist.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd graduated.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a cruise ship magician. It just sounds a hypnotist.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a really good short documentary about him called Mister Hypnotism,

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<v Speaker 3>super easy to find online. He talks about how in

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<v Speaker 3>his early days he would put gray paint in his

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<v Speaker 3>hair to look old and season oh smart, and he

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<v Speaker 3>has this whole riff about how you know, then he'd

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<v Speaker 3>fall asleep and it would get all over his face

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<v Speaker 3>and over the lady's face too. One of those guys,

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<v Speaker 3>ah so Ronald Pellar, but he called himself Ronald Dante,

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<v Speaker 3>or more popularly doctor Dante.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Dante, doctor Dte in the house.

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<v Speaker 3>And he also conducted self help seminars using hypnotism. According

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<v Speaker 3>to The Wall Street Journal, he had a whole pitch

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<v Speaker 3>at these performances slash seminars. He would say, quote, look around.

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<v Speaker 3>You see the fat people and the chainsmokers. See the

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<v Speaker 3>folks with nasty children, strained marriages, and stressful jobs. They're

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<v Speaker 3>burned out, they're blue, they're ripe for you. You can

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<v Speaker 3>be their neighborhood hypnotist. You'll handle stress one night, smoking

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<v Speaker 3>the necks on weight lost night, you'll stuff your fattest

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<v Speaker 3>friends into sturdy chairs in your living room, turn the

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<v Speaker 3>lights low, put on soft music, and entrance them with

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<v Speaker 3>words like fatty greasy front foods are noxious. Afterwards, you'll

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<v Speaker 3>do a few hypnotic parlor tricks. You'll have some someone

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<v Speaker 3>make like a concrete slab while you stand on her stomach.

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<v Speaker 3>It's easy. You can get incredibly rich at it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is insane like and in the era of tupperware parties.

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<v Speaker 2>If this is also one of the pictures, you're going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he's like, do this at home.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 2>In July, No thanks, I'm good love.

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<v Speaker 3>July of nineteen sixty two, Claire Rosamond Golden Kissel Pillar.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a heck of a name. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>She filed suit against her husband, Dante the Hypnotist.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh not Ron Dante.

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<v Speaker 3>No. She said that he hypnotized her and that while

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<v Speaker 3>she was in a trance, he convinced her to marry him.

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<v Speaker 2>I would totally read a book called The Hypnotist Wife.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure there is one.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want want to read.

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<v Speaker 3>That night, I imagine him like, by the power of the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>You will marry me? Say I do? So?

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<v Speaker 3>He hypnotizes her hypnotie Mary and hypnotizes her and makes

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<v Speaker 3>makes her give him money. Wow, nineteen thousand, three hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and forty two dollars and twenty two cents. WHOA, why

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<v Speaker 3>so specific?

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<v Speaker 2>We asked, Yes, why so specifical?

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<v Speaker 3>As it was every last dime that she had in

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<v Speaker 3>her bank account. Oh, he was like, by the power

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<v Speaker 3>of the moon. Yes, be my bride and give me

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<v Speaker 3>and just empty your bank empty.

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<v Speaker 2>Your bank account into my pocket and maybe stopping my bride.

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<v Speaker 3>After that, papers in their reporting on this said that

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<v Speaker 3>the marriage was never consummated.

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<v Speaker 2>How did I know?

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<v Speaker 3>And that Claire and Dante never lived together as husband,

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<v Speaker 3>So like, this must have happened like in the bathroom

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<v Speaker 3>of the nightclub.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a one day wedding, yes, or one day marriage.

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<v Speaker 3>So February nineteen sixty three, a judge upheld her claims. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>indeed he used the power of the moon on you.

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<v Speaker 3>And she said that she gave Dante an endorsed check

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<v Speaker 3>made out to him. It's like, yeah, I did that,

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<v Speaker 3>but I did it because he wasn't going to cash it.

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<v Speaker 3>He said he was. He said he was going to

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<v Speaker 3>use it quote as evidence of financial condition with certain

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<v Speaker 3>tax officials. I'm not sure what that means, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think he's like going to show it to the I

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<v Speaker 3>R S.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of get it. Good for this bill, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't be it's not the lie that I had questioned them?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that someone believe the lie? Fill out this check?

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<v Speaker 2>I need this, it's feign I need to do bookmark

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<v Speaker 2>for my book the moon. Could you just fill out

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<v Speaker 2>this check?

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<v Speaker 3>The power of the moon. It makes you serve a

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<v Speaker 3>four year old watermelon.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes her stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. Uh so he wasn't supposed to cash the check.

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<v Speaker 3>He cashed the check and then he used that money

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<v Speaker 3>to buy us savings bonds in his mom's name, the

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<v Speaker 3>mom who's supposed to be dead in Kuala Lumpur. Yes, yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 3>the judge said Claire quote was under hypnotic influence to

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<v Speaker 3>such an extent that she did not fully comprehend the

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<v Speaker 3>nature and significance of her actions and was rendered thoroughly

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<v Speaker 3>incapable of consenting or entering into marriage relationship freely and voluntarily.

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<v Speaker 2>Wonder what the legal statutes are around hypnotism. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>what do we have about this? It's all about exercise

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<v Speaker 2>and control. The law is all about exercising control and

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<v Speaker 2>so forth, or your will. But if you have somebody

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<v Speaker 2>else exercise and control over you, are they then legally

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<v Speaker 2>culpable for what you do? Could you then say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever crimes I did, as long as you have a hypnotist,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, it's on his How far does this work?

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<v Speaker 3>But honestly, is this not the best endorsement for the hypnotists?

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<v Speaker 2>The law set I would practice in the newspaper.

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<v Speaker 3>So he didn't need Claire. He had his sights on

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<v Speaker 3>bigger fish.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>On May ninth, nineteen sixty nine, he got married again.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, in the course of his life he got

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<v Speaker 3>married seven times.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but this was the most spectacular. He was marrying

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<v Speaker 3>a woman who was on her seventh marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>How did they find each other? Like at a convention?

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<v Speaker 3>No, they met at a disco three months prior, and

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<v Speaker 3>there they were.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find someone married seven times?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there they were in Vegas. They're trying the knots.

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<v Speaker 3>The bride min up model actress fem A Tall, America's

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<v Speaker 3>number one sweater girl. Born Julia Jean Turner. You know

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<v Speaker 3>her as Lana Turner.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no way?

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<v Speaker 3>He married Lana Turner. Wow. So Let's not forget that

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<v Speaker 3>Lana Turner was previously mixed up with mobster Johnny Stompinado.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, john he wooed her.

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<v Speaker 3>They began dating. It was a violent relationship. Stompinado was

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<v Speaker 3>a domestic abuser, was absolute filth, scum of the yearth I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just know the stuff about the salt pepper. He was

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<v Speaker 2>a grinder.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a horrible person. On the set of Another Time,

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<v Speaker 3>Another Place in London in nineteen fifty seven, Stompinado threatened

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<v Speaker 3>Lana Turner and Sean Connery with a gun. Whoa and

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<v Speaker 3>Connery double O seven to the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>This is when Sean Connie was mister Universe. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>huge body.

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<v Speaker 3>Grabbed the gun and like twisted Stompinado's wrist.

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<v Speaker 2>He yes, He's like, break the gun.

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<v Speaker 3>You're playing boshaw. And then April fourth, nineteen fifty eight,

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<v Speaker 3>Lana Turner's daughter Cheryl stabbed and killed Stompinata as he

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<v Speaker 3>was beating Lana.

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<v Speaker 2>Turn I also know about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't count this as one percent because he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>deserve the respect of one percent.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot like unt more self defense.

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<v Speaker 3>It was it completely was she saved her mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Monster. They don't consider that murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah he was. It was a huge scandal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was definitely. That's how I only know the stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but her career didn't really suffer.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, she was a sweetheart of America.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was whining down though her career when she

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<v Speaker 3>hooked up with Dante. H So, about a month played

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<v Speaker 3>the back nine. About a month after he married Lana Turner,

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<v Speaker 3>someone tried to kill Dante. Oh no, it wasn't Sheryl

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<v Speaker 3>O Good. So he pulled into the garage of his

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<v Speaker 3>apartment building in his car, not just like in a canoe.

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<v Speaker 3>He was in the process of emptying the place out

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<v Speaker 3>and moving into Lana's house, and as he went to

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<v Speaker 3>get out of his car, someone popped out and shot

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<v Speaker 3>at him five times.

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<v Speaker 2>I guessing this was an old lover.

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<v Speaker 3>Then well, no, the dude takes off. The windshield of

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<v Speaker 3>Dante's car was shattered and he had cuts from the glass.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh didn't get hit out of the five bullets.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what Lana Turner said in her nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 3>two autobiography quote, shortly after our wedding, he was shot at,

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<v Speaker 3>or so he said, in an underground garage by a

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<v Speaker 3>gunman wearing an Australian bush hat. He got a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of attention in the papers. Maybe that was what he wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go with the lie, you know why,

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<v Speaker 2>the very specific details.

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<v Speaker 3>So he wearing an Australian bush hat. Really his eyes

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<v Speaker 3>were hazel. This is what Dante said, quote, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know anyone who would want to kill me, unless it

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<v Speaker 3>would be someone who is jealous about the woman I

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<v Speaker 3>just married. Oh yeah, yeah, so poor Lana Turner, she

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<v Speaker 3>can't catch a break and the partner can be a

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<v Speaker 3>good man apparently, Yeah, that's what I'm saying, and things

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<v Speaker 3>about this winter. Dante kept piling up. So right after

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<v Speaker 3>this supposed attempt on his life, like hours later, Oh nice,

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<v Speaker 3>he was arrested on a felony grand theft warrant.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh.

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<v Speaker 3>A year before, in nineteen sixty eight, he'd been arrested

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<v Speaker 3>for trying to steal eighteen thousand dollars worth of motor boats. Wow, which,

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<v Speaker 3>like when you say it's like ballparking the price, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I asked for a bag of motor boats? Like weigh

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<v Speaker 3>it out eighteen coptoat? How do you get pinched for

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<v Speaker 3>trying to steal boats? Though he tried, he didn't success.

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<v Speaker 2>Does she just love the bad boys who were not

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<v Speaker 2>at bad boys? Well?

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<v Speaker 3>Power the moon. So he wrote a check for eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars to Ronald Snyder of the Marlin Boat Company

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<v Speaker 3>out of San Anna, California, that was to pay for

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<v Speaker 3>seven sixteen foot boats. And the check bounced, and so

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<v Speaker 3>Snyder went to Dante's like, where's my money? What the heck?

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<v Speaker 3>Bub and Dante said, tranquilo cool out, I'll bring the

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<v Speaker 3>cash tomorrow morning. Fine, says Snyder, bring the cash, you

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<v Speaker 3>can have the boats. And then Snyder walks off in

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<v Speaker 3>his short shorts and deckshes. So then that night Snyder

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<v Speaker 3>went down to the office and he noticed something fishy.

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<v Speaker 3>The lock on the gate was broken. And with each

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<v Speaker 3>detail this sounds more and more like a later episode

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<v Speaker 3>of Colombo. But so what else did Snyder find besides

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<v Speaker 3>the broken lock? Just Dante overseeing a crew loading the

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<v Speaker 3>boats on into a.

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<v Speaker 2>Flatbed truck loading the boats.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, just load him up. He was arrested but never

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<v Speaker 3>showed up for court. And remember he married Lana Turner

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<v Speaker 3>on May ninth, nineteen sixty nine. November fourteenth, nineteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 3>Dante filed for divorce. Dante he accused her of extreme

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<v Speaker 3>mental cruelty and during the divorce trial, Dante pulled out

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<v Speaker 3>a paper and it was one that Lana Turner had

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<v Speaker 3>never seen, which is suspicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>On the document, it said that if Dante and Lana

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<v Speaker 3>ever split up, Lana would give Dante two hundred thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>and Turner said that that could never be the case.

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<v Speaker 3>She said that Dante had actually stolen about one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars worth of jewelry from her, and it also

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<v Speaker 3>defrauded her out of thirty five thousand cash, and Turner

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<v Speaker 3>turned around and sued Dante. Sue me, Oh yeah, sue you.

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<v Speaker 3>The court awarded Lana Turner twenty five thousand dollars and

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<v Speaker 3>then two days after they divorced, Dante took out an

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<v Speaker 3>ad in a Dallas newspaper. Was he issuing a public

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<v Speaker 3>apology for being such a dirt bag? Well, he was

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<v Speaker 3>like in Texas at that time. He was hanging around.

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<v Speaker 3>He said he had a quote computer developed recording of

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<v Speaker 3>himself that could be used for self hypnosis, and there

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<v Speaker 3>was a PO box address for the Office of American

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<v Speaker 3>Medical Hypnoidal Association. And another thing in the ad was

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<v Speaker 3>a positive celebrity testimonial from Lana Turner, naturally two days

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<v Speaker 3>after their divorce. So he was doing basically correspondence class hypnotism. Yes, okay, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was obsessed with celebrities. He worked hard to

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<v Speaker 3>be in their orbit. You know, when we come back,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to take a break. I'll tell you who

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<v Speaker 3>else got sucked into Doctor Dante's madness. Zaren over here, Zaren?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, Elizabeth front Row, what was your question, Doctor Dante?

0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Actually know? Helen Thomas?

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, My question is shut up, Helen. Do you

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<v Speaker 3>want to hear more? Yes, Okay, I do so, Doctor Dante.

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<v Speaker 3>He marries and divorces Hollywood legend Lana Turner. We talked

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<v Speaker 3>about that like four hours ago. I was before that

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<v Speaker 3>he survived to suppose an assassination attempt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that I don't believe happened, neither do I, or

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<v Speaker 2>that he arranged. I do believe shots were fired.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. Maybe he fired the shots and then spun

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<v Speaker 3>around and ran back. In the next year after the

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<v Speaker 3>marriage and divorce, nineteen seventy, he got shot at again

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<v Speaker 3>in Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really a bullet magnet.

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<v Speaker 3>He really is. It was five in the morning and

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<v Speaker 3>someone popped out and fired at his car with a shotgun,

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<v Speaker 3>and once again he was treated for cuts from the

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<v Speaker 3>broken windshield glass.

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<v Speaker 2>He just grabbing it, rubbing it on his face.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I just falls forward. He'd been going to

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<v Speaker 3>this bakery, this bakery called Missus Baird's, and because a

0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.520
<v Speaker 3>woman had called him and said meet me at Missus Baird's,

0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:12.399
<v Speaker 3>and he was like, all right, but there was no woman.

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<v Speaker 3>No one showed up. And as he was driving away,

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<v Speaker 3>the shooting started. Oh he said, quote. I swerved the

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<v Speaker 3>car to the right and jumped out the passenger's side.

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<v Speaker 3>Just as I hit the deck, I heard a shotgun explode.

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<v Speaker 3>There must have been five other shots that followed, and

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't doubt they had three people in the car.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a good smacking of who it was who

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<v Speaker 3>tried to kill me. Now, there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>issues in this. First of all, it's always five shots

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<v Speaker 3>with him exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And also I gotta one to know this. If you're driving,

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<v Speaker 2>you're on the left side of the car. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna someone's gonna do something, wouldn't you swerve to the

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<v Speaker 2>left and jump out of the left side as to

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<v Speaker 2>the right and jumping out of the right because now

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<v Speaker 2>you swerve, you got to get over to the right

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<v Speaker 2>and then open the door and jump out of the car.

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<v Speaker 3>Make those It doesn't make any sense. The person who

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<v Speaker 3>tried to kill him, according to him, was an entertainment legend,

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<v Speaker 3>someone who is actually made an appearance on this show before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm listening.

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<v Speaker 3>So Dante said he had quote a very warm relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with a woman, but they hadn't seen each other for

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<v Speaker 3>a couple I was really opened.

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<v Speaker 2>To Sammy Davis Junior with his good eye.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is how Dante explains it. Quote. For the

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<v Speaker 3>last three or four months, I've been harassed by phone

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<v Speaker 3>calls of people who claim to be friends of Frank Sinachi.

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<v Speaker 3>They told me to stay away from Nancy or I'd

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<v Speaker 3>get my legs broken.

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<v Speaker 2>Messing around with his daughter. Nancy's either his wife's daughter.

0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:34.880
<v Speaker 2>It has to be his daughter, most likely his daughter

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<v Speaker 2>his daughter. But either way, don't mess around with frank

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:39.960
<v Speaker 2>daughter or his what whatever, his sister, his mother.

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.400
<v Speaker 3>Brother, it's is Yeah, I think it's his daughter anyway, So, yeah,

0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:48.200
<v Speaker 3>he's messing around with Nancy. Frank's like they're gonna.

0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Nancy Nancy Sinatra shows up on ridiculous Crime on the right, really.

0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Does she really does? So Dante, he went around intimating

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<v Speaker 3>that it was Frank who put the hit out.

0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:01.880
<v Speaker 2>And make himself important with Frank Sinatra. Yeah, he tried

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<v Speaker 2>to kill me live.

0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:06.199
<v Speaker 3>Someone asked Nancy Sinatra about it, and a spokesman for

0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:09.440
<v Speaker 3>Nancy Sinatra said, quote Miss Sinatra said she did not

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<v Speaker 3>know Dante and that she had never even heard of him. Yes, yeah,

0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.439
<v Speaker 3>so that's good. But now that Dante had created a

0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 3>connection between he and Nancy Sinatra, he wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 3>give that up. Chris, I mean, you figure there's a

0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.760
<v Speaker 3>good portion of the population who doesn't keep up with

0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:27.440
<v Speaker 3>follow up news. Yes, so, like they hear that Lana

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<v Speaker 3>Turner married some weirdo hypnotists, but they don't pay attention

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<v Speaker 3>to the talk of divorce, and then they hear about

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<v Speaker 3>Frank Sinatra possibly putting out a hit on a freaky hypnotist,

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<v Speaker 3>but they don't hear about the follow up that Nancy's clarification.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know who this was. In December of nineteen

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:46.399
<v Speaker 3>seventy the Adolphus Hotel in Dallas. They put out an

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<v Speaker 3>announcement they were having a New Year's Eve blowout party

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<v Speaker 3>and the featured guest celebrity hypnotist doctor Dante.

0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:55.959
<v Speaker 2>They really needed the internet back then.

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<v Speaker 3>Who are the special guests with this? Lana Turner and

0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Nancy Sinatra, And of course neither of them show up.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy's shameless.

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 3>He's so shameless. That's exactly what he is.

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:11.200
<v Speaker 2>He might as well have said anybody because they weren't

0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:13.200
<v Speaker 2>going to show up. It could have been anybody. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so u Ja Jagabor will be a this week in Della.

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<v Speaker 3>He's just taken out ads all over the place. He

0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 3>loved over hyped newspaper.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, he loves hype.

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<v Speaker 3>In January of nineteen seventy one, he ran an ad

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<v Speaker 3>for his appearance at the Ramada Inn in Irving, Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that this would be the last stop on

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<v Speaker 3>his world tour that he had played Athens, Bangkok, Japan, London, Paris,

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<v Speaker 3>and Rome. And I like how Japan doesn't get a city.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, it's just.

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.840
<v Speaker 3>The whole place. It's like how people say Africa. It's

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:46.679
<v Speaker 3>like a continent, not country. And so now where do

0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 3>you go next? After all that Irving Text serving Texas Natural.

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<v Speaker 3>He was always totally full of hot horns, he said.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that his eyes and his voice were insured

0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:02.639
<v Speaker 3>for ten million dollars. Crazy. So he said that he

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<v Speaker 3>was the quote favorite husband of both Lana Turner and

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<v Speaker 3>Brigitte Bardeaux. Here's the problem.

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:08.920
<v Speaker 2>He was never married.

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:13.000
<v Speaker 3>No, he was never married to Brigitte Bardeau. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>even find anything about them being like linked romantically or

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 3>even in the same room. Yeah, but it's kind of

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:21.640
<v Speaker 3>like how the time that I was married to Jack

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:23.639
<v Speaker 3>White from the White Stripes and I was his favorite

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<v Speaker 3>wife and.

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<v Speaker 2>A yeah, it was a ten minute long story, you tell.

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.400
<v Speaker 3>It was, And I'm a Vagoda's favorite wife.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 3>He still says that whose favorite husband are you?

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 2>How Lindon just all Barnie Miller Miller fans.

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 3>That's so crazy that we were each married to someone

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<v Speaker 3>from Barney Miller.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we get around.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing.

0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Cast parties were rocking.

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<v Speaker 3>They were they were so crazy. Doctor Dante he wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>the only man in the game, though. There was another

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<v Speaker 3>hypnotist on the scene. His name was doctor Sandford Berman

0:25:58.000 --> 0:25:59.880
<v Speaker 3>a k a. Doctor Michael Dean.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I was still hoping the thing to be doctor

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:02.399
<v Speaker 2>Sandy Berman.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, no, Michael Dean heed it so completely did so.

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<v Speaker 3>Where doctor Dante took took took, doctor Dean gave gave gays.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was born curious. He was born just north

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:19.960
<v Speaker 3>of Duluth, Minnesota, in the nineteen twenties. Poor assault to

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<v Speaker 3>the earth guy. Yeah. He got his bachelors in Radio

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 3>and Communications from University of minnesotaol. Masters in speech from

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 3>Columbia University. I heard that place is good too, me too,

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Doctorate in Speech communications from.

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<v Speaker 2>Northwestern Ah good school.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, he had the bona fides. Yes, and he was

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<v Speaker 3>heavy into the study of semantics, which fascinating. Let me

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 3>read you a definition of general semantics.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh please.

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<v Speaker 3>General semantics is concerned with how events translate to perceptions,

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<v Speaker 3>how they are further modified by the names and labels

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:54.760
<v Speaker 3>we apply to them, and how we might gain a

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<v Speaker 3>measure of control over our own cognitive, emotional, and behavioral responses.

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 2>So we believe what we tell ourselves.

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:03.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he was super into that study, which is interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>So when doctor Dean was in grad school, he learned

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:10.479
<v Speaker 3>hypnosis and he used it for scientific reasons. Not he

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 3>losed it for good not evil.

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:12.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 3>He taught people self hypnosis for Behavioralay, he's.

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:16.000
<v Speaker 2>A white hat hypnotist.

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes. He he advised the boxer Ken Norton really yeah,

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:22.440
<v Speaker 3>one of the few men to beat Mahin.

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and his son is the hell of a football player.

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was an advisor to him. He was like,

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 3>by the power of.

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 2>The movie will he may pull like a butterfly, but

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 2>you will.

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Hit like a tank, Doctor Dean. He turned to entertainment though.

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:38.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's the money.

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 3>When you got the hypnotist, he got the gift. He

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 3>had a long career as a professional nightclub hypnotist. I'm

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:47.360
<v Speaker 3>going to get you business cards, that says Aaron Burnette.

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:50.639
<v Speaker 2>And flip it over cruise ship magicians exactly.

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 3>And he mostly was in Vegas, which is like that's

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 3>where you got to go, try.

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 2>To hang out, And so I go there for the carpets.

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<v Speaker 3>It smells so good. In nineteen seventy four, Doctor Dean

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 3>accused Doctor Dante of following him around and copying his act.

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hit him, get him.

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 3>Here's the quote. I first met him in Chicago in

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:13.119
<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty when he frequently caught my act. Then I

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 3>went to Hawaii to perform before the International Society of Samantasis,

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 3>and Dante came in to see my show every night

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.199
<v Speaker 3>for three weeks. I returned to Chicago and saw him

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 3>perform my same act at the Cairo Supper Club. I

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:28.680
<v Speaker 3>had to borrow him from the San Diego gas Light

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Club about eight months ago, since he had been following

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 3>me around the country trying to steal my act for

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 3>his own shows, which he puts on in North Hollywood.

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 3>He sat in the front row during one of my

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 3>recent Las Vegas shows. Often, after I'd leave a town,

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 3>he'd come in and tell the hotel manager that he

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 3>would perform the same type of show for much less money,

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 3>the most amazing undercutting.

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.600
<v Speaker 2>You like that, But North Hollywood, shout out North Risk

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 2>he does this in North Hollywood.

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 3>You're like, oh, man, I'm sorry for him.

0:28:57.800 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Geez, not even Studio city.

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, I also like the San Diego the gas Light Club.

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, it's a whole district.

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 2>It's a whole thing.

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 3>So Dante. He was serious though, about eliminating the competition.

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 3>He wanted Doctor Dean out of a picture. Okay, so

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 3>doctor Dante. He approached three men, and he offered them

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 3>thirty four hundred dollars to kill doctor Dean. Really, yeah,

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 3>that's like eighteen and a half thousand dollars today.

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's that's kill you money.

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 3>I'd be insulted if someone was like, I'll give you

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 3>eighteen grand to kill Elizabeth?

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Really?

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Do you know how much people were willing to take

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 2>to kill something?

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 3>I am? I'm worth more than that, I'd be insulted.

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, yeah, I mean he could probably like

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 2>ten grand is like a modern price. That would be like,

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 2>you can get a good thing for like three grand.

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 2>You're getting somebody you know, you met in a park.

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm worth like at least one hundred and fifty thousand

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 3>dollars for a hitman.

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:53.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I believe in me and I believe in my

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 3>value like you.

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I like that about you.

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 3>It's a high ame high one hundred and fifty k.

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, Doctor Dean, Doctor Dante. Sorry, he gives he

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 3>gives him fourteen hundred dollars up front. He's like, this

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 3>is my down payments. Can I get a receipt? You're

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 3>asking people to take a whole lot of risk for

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 3>not a whole lot of money here, doctor Dante. But

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 3>they agree one of the men was the owner of

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 3>a night club.

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 2>So there's semi professionally.

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 3>Here's their semipro. One of them own's a nightclub, the

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:24.959
<v Speaker 3>other two undercover cops.

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 2>Yes, most hit men are.

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 3>That's what fine Friday News exactly. The whole point of

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 3>this was so that Dante could get Dean's coveted San

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Diego nightclub gig. That was the whole thing I want.

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 2>He wanted that gay play the gas light. He's like,

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I love soft lighting.

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 3>It's just so flattering. So in February of nineteen seventy four,

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 3>he pleads not guilty to this because obviously he got

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 3>caught because it's undercover cops.

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly.

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 3>He was released on his own recognaissance, so he was

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 3>able to keep up his nightclub act. Okay, Zarines close

0:30:59.520 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 3>you at.

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, I.

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 3>Want you to picture it. You're a bartender at the

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 3>Pirate's Den, a nightclub in Tucson, Arizona. It's June twenty first,

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy four, summer solstice. You have no idea that

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 3>almost fifty years later the business will be called Raiders

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 3>Reef Exotic Dancing and have a two point five star

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 3>rating on Yelp, with reviews such as quote this place

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 3>used to be really fun, but now it's like the

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 3>waiting room to hell. The dancers are absolutely lifeless. The

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 3>room is devoid of life or excitement, and most of

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 3>the time dancers spend more time on their phone than

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 3>working the room. I had more fun at dental appointments.

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 3>If you have one hundred dollars burning a hole in

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 3>your pocket, throw it in the garbage disposal because you'll

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 3>have more fun doing that than spending it here. But

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 3>right now's Aaron in nineteen seventy four. It's just a

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 3>hot nightclub. Okay, calm down. It opened just a couple

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 3>of years ago. The building is shaped like a pirate's

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 3>galleon and drift in a parched lot on East Golf

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 3>Links Road. Lots of acts come through, and it's a

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 3>swinging place. I mean there are acts at the tail

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 3>end of their careers. Herman's, Hermit's chubby Checker, Fabian, the platters,

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 3>but still your work uniform is a pirate's costume, striped

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 3>pants with jagged hems, a white blouse, a fake hoopering,

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 3>no brown. The ground floor bar level is hopping tonight,

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:25.959
<v Speaker 3>lots of young Tusonians sit at small cabaret tables facing

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 3>a stage light. Music plays in the background as people

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 3>line up at the bar to order my ties, slippery Nipples,

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 3>Takila sunrises. Your specialty is the zombie.

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>You serve it in a.

0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 3>Giant fake coconut shell with all sorts of garnishes. You

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 3>look at the clock tucked under the bar. Five minutes

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 3>to showtime. You figure you'll just have enough time to

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 3>slip outside and have a smoke before the show starts.

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 3>You serve the zombie you were making and slip out

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 3>the side door into the parking lot. Traffic races by

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 3>on East Golf Links. You take out your pack of

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 3>smokes and you tap it into your palm. A car

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 3>enters the parking lot. It's Jerry, one of the owners

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 3>of the club. He's coming in hot You soon realize

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 3>that's because he has that doctor Dante, the hypnotist in

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 3>the car, must have picked him up at his hotel.

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 3>The car doors swing open just then two Department of

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Public Safety officers jump out from behind the dumpster. What

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 3>the blazes were they doing back there? You wonder? Another

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 3>cop car peelsing a lot and blocks on Jerry's cap.

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 3>They draw guns and present badges. Ronald Peller aka Ronald Dante,

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 3>you are under arrest. Huh, asked doctor Dante. This is

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 3>getting good. Well, you're charged with grand theft for taking

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 3>thirty five hundred dollars worth of radio equipment for your

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 3>private plane and not paying for it. Jerry, the owner

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 3>pipes up. Look, can't you wait one more hour. We've

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 3>got a show to do. We've got three hundred people

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 3>in the club waiting to see him. One of the

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 3>officers bark. Stand back, mister, and keep your mouth shut.

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 3>They cuffed Dante, throw him in the back of the

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 3>squad car. Doctor Dante has been double arrested. You open

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 3>the side door of the nightclub and the sound of

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 3>the patrons and smooth yacht rocks smack you in the face.

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 3>You wonder how Jerry's going to take care of this mess.

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 3>Just a few days later, charge smoke breakover. Just a

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.959
<v Speaker 3>few days later, the charges for the radio equipment would

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 3>be dropped. Apparently he did have receipts for the stuff.

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:17.920
<v Speaker 3>There was still the matter of the attempted murder for hire.

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Though, yes, that is a sticky, wicked post charges.

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 3>Had not been dropped. Let's take a break. When we

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 3>come back, we'll see how that was working out for

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 3>old doctor John Pey. Hey.

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yes, yes, Elizabeth, Hey, I was. I wasn't sleeping.

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:51.439
<v Speaker 2>I was here.

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm here, go ahead, just resting my eyes. So doctor Jaunted, Yes,

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:59.240
<v Speaker 3>my god, he was. He was charged with attempted murder,

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:04.360
<v Speaker 3>your guy. Charge was attempted icious murder for hire, I

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 3>should say, after trying to pay two undercover cops to

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 3>take out his hypnotist rival, doctor Dean.

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I know.

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 3>In a pre trial hearing for the attempted murder case,

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 3>the defense put forward a theory that maybe doctor Dante

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 3>wasn't competent to stand trial.

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Your honor, have you listened to the Mike clients?

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 3>Why drugs? They said his mental abilities were impaired by drugs,

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 3>And he was seen by two different doctors, and there

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 3>was a split decision on this. One said he was okay,

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 3>the other one said he was bonkers, all hopped up

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:37.879
<v Speaker 3>on goofballs. In the end, the judge found him fit

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:38.840
<v Speaker 3>to face justice.

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:40.919
<v Speaker 2>For you to say that drugs are the problem, why

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:42.879
<v Speaker 2>you're not competent to stand trial. Don't they just say,

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 2>don't give them the drugs.

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 3>Well, and then it gave him the brain damage. Oh yes, yeah,

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 3>he was found guilty naturally. Yeah, January seventy five, he

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 3>was sentenced to twenty two years. That's harsh. They just

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 3>didn't like him, but not all the way. District Attorney

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 3>Gary Neap. He was both tickled by and irritated with

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Dante during the trial.

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 2>I like to imagine him physically tickling him. Yeah, during

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 2>you'll go back over there to the other test.

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:11.160
<v Speaker 3>Come on, this is what the DA said. Quote. Yeah,

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.319
<v Speaker 3>I kind of like him. He's got some sort of

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 3>magnetism that gets people into.

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:16.759
<v Speaker 2>His confidence with bullets. Yeah.

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:18.800
<v Speaker 3>Thus, well that's a con man the confidence.

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. People always missed that. It's like conment are likable.

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 2>That's why they.

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Became confidence man. Well, and then don't forget doctor Dante

0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 3>has the power of the moon, yes, in his pocket.

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 3>Doctor Dante appealed the conviction on the grounds that he

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:35.880
<v Speaker 3>was never given the opportunity to plead insanity, and that

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:39.239
<v Speaker 3>was rejected. But he only served twenty eight months of

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 3>his twenty two year sentence.

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 2>How does that work out? I'm not going at math

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 2>like that, that makes no sense.

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but according to Bob Gold, doctor Dante's personal aid.

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:50.760
<v Speaker 2>He hypnotized the parole board.

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 3>After his release from prison in nineteen seventy eight. Everyone

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 3>wanted to rebook quote the big bad mysterious Dante.

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Big bad, big big, he's a bad boy coming out in.

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 3>The leather, the outlaw hypatis.

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:07.799
<v Speaker 2>I'll habnotize you against your will, sir, You need to

0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:08.359
<v Speaker 2>calm down.

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 3>He chose to put his powers to use though at

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:13.280
<v Speaker 3>the Mind Science Church.

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Dean, that is so late seventies.

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 3>So totally. Doctor Dean, who wasn't murdered, said hypnosis was

0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 3>quote too powerful a tool to teach to any idiot

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.399
<v Speaker 3>off the street. The power the moves.

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 2>That is so quotable.

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I know. So. Back in nineteen sixty nine, Dante

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 3>had opened a clinic for cancer patients, the Psychoneurology Foundation.

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's a lot of charity money in this.

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 3>Say, well, no, I understand the desire to try anything

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 3>that could possibly help if you're fighting cancer, especially in

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 3>those days when treatment was nowhere near what I believe

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:49.239
<v Speaker 3>on the cancer side, but I would sincerely hope that

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 3>this wasn't the only treatment that those cancer patients saw it.

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, I hope not. Yeah, I hope that this

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 2>was like the last of it, right, Oh, I'm desperate.

0:37:56.360 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 3>In eighty one, he expanded the Psycho Neurology Foundation and

0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 3>was now covering AIDS patients too.

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.200
<v Speaker 3>Well, and like, yeah, this was pretty forward thinking for

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 3>that time, seeing how.

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 2>If doctor Dean was doing it, I'd be cool with it,

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Dante.

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 3>No, No, I mean like HIV AIDS was thought by

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 3>the public to be transmissible by handshake.

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 2>They weren't doing CPR during the early eighties.

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 3>Zigma was insane. And now like we have HIV treatment

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 3>pharmaceutical ads playing right alongside ones for plaque soriatis. You know,

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:32.319
<v Speaker 3>we've come a long way, baby, so doctor Dante. He

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:35.360
<v Speaker 3>said he funded the clinic through donations from the thousands

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 3>of patients cured by the free hypnosis. He said that

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:43.760
<v Speaker 3>the hypnotists at the clinic got top notch hypnotherapy training

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.719
<v Speaker 3>from him, all in exchange for twelve hours of work.

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah so Lies.

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Lies, always the promoter and always wanting to be celebrity adjacent.

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:55.720
<v Speaker 3>He took up a one page ad in a bunch

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:59.279
<v Speaker 3>of papers for the PNF in nineteen eighty five. The

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.279
<v Speaker 3>banners the top of the ad proclaimed how to be

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:04.800
<v Speaker 3>a Hypnotherapist, Absolutely.

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Free, Come down, Ed McMann will be here.

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.319
<v Speaker 3>He did these gigs all over the country. He would

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:12.800
<v Speaker 3>spend Uh, it's funny that you mentioned that he would

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 3>spend about forty thousand dollars on ads, and then he'd

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 3>do three to five days of seminars and he'd pull

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 3>in at least one hundred and twenty thousand for the stand.

0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm disgusted by that.

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:25.319
<v Speaker 3>It's totally so. In the ad this time around was

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 3>doctor Dante with Johnny Carson, what host of NBC's Tonight Show.

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:32.319
<v Speaker 2>I think like a con you did.

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 3>That was just Ed McMahon.

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 2>He went for that. I knew right to Yeah. I

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 2>didn't think he could afford.

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 3>John so well, he's sitting in this table and a

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.440
<v Speaker 3>picture in the ad sitting with Johnny Carson, and the

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:46.920
<v Speaker 3>caption said doctor Dante being interviewed by Johnny Carson. Wow,

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 3>it was a real photo. I'm sure caption is false.

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Carson's attorney, Jerry Stobbs said the photo was taken quote

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:57.839
<v Speaker 3>sixteen or seventeen years ago with Carson's permission, But they.

0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Weren't like a tables next to each other.

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't for advertising, and it wasn't an interview. It

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:03.800
<v Speaker 3>was a typical like hey, can I get a picture

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 3>with you? Photo with a celebrity. Yeah, Carson's lawyer said.

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Did I sit down at the table?

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Exactly? This is what Carson's lawyer said. Quote. There was

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 3>a clear indication that when that photo was published, that

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 3>Carson was endorsing that clinic, which he is not. We

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 3>are not aware of any authorization to use that picture

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:24.720
<v Speaker 3>in advertising. What did doctor Dante have to say about

0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:27.759
<v Speaker 3>this quote? It makes it look like I associate with

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 3>Hollywood people, so maybe people will come into the clinic.

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:32.640
<v Speaker 2>He just says it, just says the thing. Just this

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:33.399
<v Speaker 2>is why I did it.

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 3>But you know what, you mess with the bully, you

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 3>get the horns. Carson sued doctor Dante for fifty one

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:40.280
<v Speaker 3>million dollars.

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Johnny will suicide, Yeah.

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 3>You will, Dante. Then he turned around and he accused

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 3>Carson of trying to shut down his free clinic for

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 3>AIDS and cancer patients. Sue me, sue you, Yeah.

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:54.120
<v Speaker 2>But come on, no one's going to believe that, Like,

0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 2>oh yes, Carson's really against cancer and AIGE patients, and

0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:57.399
<v Speaker 2>you tried to.

0:40:57.320 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 3>Stop their true That's what doctor Dante said. Doctor take countersuit.

0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:04.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, for one billion dollars, would they be.

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 2>With the doctor evil fingership face.

0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:09.399
<v Speaker 3>One billion dollars. Here's what doctor Dante had to say

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 3>at a press conference. Quote. Carson is indirectly but nevertheless

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 3>responsible for letting hundreds of people die who might otherwise

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 3>be saved by the Foundation's breakthrough treatment. Carson's suit is

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 3>really against the Cancer and AIDS patients, knowing full well

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 3>that I cannot afford his unheard of suit of fifty

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 3>one million dollars. Wow, He's like, why do you hate people?

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 3>Johnny Carson?

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 2>He has all the goll like none of us have

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 2>any goalls, all of the Now.

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 3>I Dug and Doug and Doug. I don't know whatever

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:41.440
<v Speaker 3>happened with that lawsuit. I'm going to assume there was

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 3>out the settlement of some sort with Johnny. I got

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:47.080
<v Speaker 3>thrown out, but Johnny's suit the fifty one millions.

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I bet he'd let his Yeah.

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:50.360
<v Speaker 3>Nothing popped up again in the pages.

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 2>You're not going to get anything from that. No, It's like,

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:53.840
<v Speaker 2>how long do you want to pay a lawyer to

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 2>make this guy?

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.720
<v Speaker 3>You should have just had the clinics shut down anyway.

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 3>That same year, though, nineteen eighty five, Dante legally changed

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 3>his name from Ronald Hugh Pellar to doctor Dante, with

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:07.839
<v Speaker 3>doctor being his legal first PI.

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:14.680
<v Speaker 2>He is such a scamp. Doctor is my name. It's

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 2>exactly It's on my driver's license. You were a mistake.

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 2>And when I said I was a doctor, I meant

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.280
<v Speaker 2>one of the various men named doctor doctor.

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 3>So next year, eighty six, he made it into the

0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 3>Guinness Book of World Records.

0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 2>For being the worst criminal of the year, the biggest.

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 3>Jerk for getting paid the highest lecture fee for his

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 3>weekend in the therapy course that took place in Chicago

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:39.839
<v Speaker 3>from June first to June's second, nineteen eighty six.

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 2>How is the greatest therapy price a record lecture fee?

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:45.360
<v Speaker 3>How much do you think he made in those two days?

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea million. I have one billion.

0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 3>Dollars, three million dollars, three million dollars. This has to

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 3>be a lie. But how is Gunny's keeping track of

0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 3>the If it's not, I'm not surprised because people are stupid,

0:42:57.680 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 3>But come on.

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I know Gunnis book keeps a track A lot of

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:04.239
<v Speaker 2>dumb records. Come on, yeah, really the speaking fees the.

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Highest lecture fee in the years to come, saren. Doctor

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<v Speaker 3>Dante started more businesses.

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<v Speaker 2>Was he making wax statues?

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh? They were outside of the hypnosis world, of course.

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 3>He started a paralegal academy. A what and it's called

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 3>an academy and I like to imagine it's like military

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 3>paramilitary paralegal.

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<v Speaker 2>Academy spelled differently, pair of legalsh.

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:30.400
<v Speaker 3>He launched the permoderm Academy in nineteen eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this like for like getting your Jerry girl right?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's even better. This place offered two day permanent

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 3>makeup workshops at hotels.

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Permanent making, like tattoo your face. You're gonna let this

0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:42.800
<v Speaker 2>man tattoo your face with sticks.

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:46.279
<v Speaker 3>Would pay twenty five hundred dollars to learn a tattooing

0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 3>technique on bananas and at the end of at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the two days, not even like pig flesh,

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 3>just use a banana. It was like a sex said

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<v Speaker 3>workshop labor. At the end of the two days, the

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:04.320
<v Speaker 3>students would be given the title of Board certified dermatologist.

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<v Speaker 2>Certified by what board? Just by he's holding up this board,

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<v Speaker 2>said I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Good, bangs him on the head. There you go, the.

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Board underneath the banana. That's what certified me.

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<v Speaker 3>The FTC started an investigating I am open, and in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety one they accused Permaderm of making FRAUDUC.

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<v Speaker 2>It just sounds like a lie.

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 3>He said that they made fraudulent claims about the credentials,

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 3>the training, the job outcome, the address. They got an

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<v Speaker 3>injunction on doctor Dante and Permiderm.

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Boy just lied about their height, Yeah, for.

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:39.600
<v Speaker 3>False representations height right there. In ninety seven, Dante was

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<v Speaker 3>convicted on ten counts of criminal contempt for violating that injunction.

0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:46.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh and like keeping it up. He later got sixty

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<v Speaker 3>seven months in prison for the contempt conviction, but fled

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:52.920
<v Speaker 3>one day prior to the last day of the trial.

0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:56.440
<v Speaker 3>So like before they even he's just I'm out of here. Yeah,

0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 3>don't worry though.

0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:58.040
<v Speaker 2>The last time you saw me.

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<v Speaker 3>He kept in Mexico and he immediately was sent to prison.

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.600
<v Speaker 3>But he still had other businesses that he was keeping going.

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<v Speaker 3>One was Columbia State University, Columbia, Columbia State University, Okay,

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:16.359
<v Speaker 3>late nineties, distance learning is all the rate. So it's

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:19.479
<v Speaker 3>both like correspondence courses by mail, which is a long time,

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<v Speaker 3>and then this new option of online learning. And in

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<v Speaker 3>this expanding frontier of higher education came scammers, lots of

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<v Speaker 3>them diploma mills, which is exactly what Columbia State University was.

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 3>It operated out of a mail drop in Louisiana. There's

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<v Speaker 3>this guy, this higher ed expert John Bear, and he

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<v Speaker 3>was interviewed in nineteen ninety eight by the Boston Globe

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<v Speaker 3>about just diploma mills in general. Let me read you

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit for this article quote. Columbia State University

0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:51.839
<v Speaker 3>is a complete fake, says Bear. There's no such university.

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:54.400
<v Speaker 3>The photograph on the cover of their catalog is of

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:58.799
<v Speaker 3>Notre Dame University in Indiana. And while administrative office number

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 3>two thirty one is a three square mailbox. As for

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<v Speaker 3>the Ivy League like campus shown in the Columbia State

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 3>University catalog quote, it is actually a stately home in

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<v Speaker 3>upstate New York called Lyndhurst, Bear says. The catalog also

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<v Speaker 3>shows a photograph of its founder, doctor Austin Laird. Laird

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 3>is a famous historian an archaeologist of the nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 3>says Bear. If he were still alive, he would be

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and eighty one years old. The real owner

0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 3>of Columbia State University is Ronald Pellar aka ron Dae Dante.

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 3>At Columbia State University, a six to eight page thesis

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<v Speaker 3>got you a master's degree, so I think wonderful. Well

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 3>hold on, and a twelve page one got you a doctorate?

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Damn page thesis got all? I got thirteen pages for him?

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.239
<v Speaker 2>So what do I get? The thing I always wonder

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 2>about these pill mill or pill mill, these degree mill places,

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:55.319
<v Speaker 2>is who are you showing this degree too that you

0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 2>need it? Like you get to get the degree? Who's

0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:01.080
<v Speaker 2>going to be convinced by a Columbia State University? Like?

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 2>What job is many people? Really?

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:05.880
<v Speaker 3>At the time, you couldn't really research, like you know,

0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:07.600
<v Speaker 3>you couldn't go online and look up a lot of

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:09.280
<v Speaker 3>stuff as long as you have a piece of paper,

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 3>sounds Columbia states.

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Well then why did not just make the document yourself?

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:14.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, why go through all the waste of like

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:15.600
<v Speaker 2>somebody else made it.

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 3>You want to have some honesty to it, You want

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:20.200
<v Speaker 3>to put twelve pages down in a I just never

0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:20.640
<v Speaker 3>tried to.

0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Get a really bad lie across.

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:24.279
<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing though, like both of the degrees, a

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.360
<v Speaker 3>master's and a doctorate, could be completed in about twenty

0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:30.200
<v Speaker 3>seven days. Yeah, but the average is about two to

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:32.919
<v Speaker 3>four months. You could get a PhD for around three

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.640
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars. They also, this is like one of my

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:39.120
<v Speaker 3>favorite things. They let you haggle the price. So like,

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:40.880
<v Speaker 3>if you're like three thousands a little rich for my

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:42.080
<v Speaker 3>blood for this PhD?

0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:44.400
<v Speaker 2>What do you want to pay geology? What's it going

0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 2>to take to get you in this degree and walk

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:46.400
<v Speaker 2>out of it.

0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Back and twice on it? Yeah, so the next year slaps.

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:51.759
<v Speaker 2>The hood of this college. I want you to go

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:53.600
<v Speaker 2>in in here? What's it going to take? Sarh.

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 3>The Illinois Attorney General came calling for them. They had

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 3>shut down a bunch of diploma mills, including Columbia State University,

0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 3>and then in two thousand and four he pleaded guilty

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<v Speaker 3>to nine counts of mail fraud tied to the Columbia

0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:12.439
<v Speaker 3>State University Diploma Mill operation who mail Fraud.

0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:14.439
<v Speaker 2>They got him on that. That'll put your.

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Gott to send those catalogs somewhere. His guilty plea involved

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:21.440
<v Speaker 3>paying restitution of almost forty six thousand dollars, and he

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:24.280
<v Speaker 3>had to surrender his one point five million dollar yacht.

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe this guy is able to work this

0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 2>well with all this stuff.

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:30.880
<v Speaker 3>I yeah, it's just little bits here and there. He

0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:34.080
<v Speaker 3>had an additional eight months added to his prison sentence

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:38.200
<v Speaker 3>just for you know, shiggles. When he got out, he

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 3>moved to a mobile home in Palma Valley, California. So

0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 3>the mighty had fallen. Yes, he said he had cancer,

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 3>but at this point, who could believe anything he said?

0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:48.719
<v Speaker 2>He'd say anything, but he didn't.

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:50.520
<v Speaker 3>Give up the graft. In two thousand and seven, he

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<v Speaker 3>was selling a DVD that walked people through the process

0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:55.120
<v Speaker 3>of making scented paper flowers.

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 2>And where did for the law?

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:01.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. He was also advertising a seminar that

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<v Speaker 3>would share how magicians make ten thousand dollars a show.

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:06.880
<v Speaker 3>What he's like, I will tell you the secret.

0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you the real trick to magic is this

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 2>is this.

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:12.759
<v Speaker 3>He saw these enterprises as a way that he was

0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:16.319
<v Speaker 3>like gonna get back on his feet. Quote, I'll charge

0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:18.919
<v Speaker 3>fifteen hundred dollars for a two day seminar. This should

0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:21.440
<v Speaker 3>get me right back up to snuff again.

0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:23.719
<v Speaker 2>How do the people have the fifteen hundred dollars that

0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:25.920
<v Speaker 2>they're paying for? These people? Or do do the seminar

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:27.040
<v Speaker 2>like they're.

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:29.120
<v Speaker 3>Like, look at that investment, fifteen hundred dollars. Now I'm

0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 3>going to learn how to make a ten thousand a

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:33.920
<v Speaker 3>night as a as a cruise ship magician.

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Full and their money were truly quickly and easily parting quickly.

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Two thousand and nine. That documentary I told you about earlier,

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:44.360
<v Speaker 3>mister Hypnotism, Mister Hypnis. It was screened at south By Southwest.

0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:47.200
<v Speaker 3>I do need to add that his look got more

0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:49.560
<v Speaker 3>and more out there in his later years. Oh really,

0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Like I couldn't put my finger on it, but researcher

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:56.239
<v Speaker 3>Andrea totally nailed it. He looks like doctor Jacobe from

0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:57.160
<v Speaker 3>Twin Peaks.

0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't watch can unfortunately is do you hear like

0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:01.080
<v Speaker 2>frizzy hair?

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:03.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and like tinted round glass.

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's kind of what I'm imagining.

0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Now there it is.

0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:05.680
<v Speaker 2>There it is.

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<v Speaker 3>June first, twenty thirteen, Doctor Dante died in his home

0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:12.440
<v Speaker 3>at the age of eighty three in Escondido, California.

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<v Speaker 2>What a run, What a hell of a run.

0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:16.120
<v Speaker 3>What's your ridiculous takeaways?

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron, Oh wow, Rather than what's ron with him? I

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:26.680
<v Speaker 2>would have to say my ridiculous takeaway is it? Seminars

0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Apparently are kind of the equivalent to the musician, like

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:32.480
<v Speaker 2>if you play a live show, that's where the money is. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I had no idea you could make so much on

0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:37.200
<v Speaker 2>these seminars. I thought he was making like maybe like

0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:39.680
<v Speaker 2>an eighty to eight hundred dollars, six hundred dollars. I

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:43.040
<v Speaker 2>got ten dollars tickets or whatever. Apparently he's charging a lot.

0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:44.840
<v Speaker 3>I have got to start doing seminars.

0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:47.799
<v Speaker 2>People are paying thousands, yeah, just to hear something that

0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 2>they could find anywhere else for free.

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:51.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeaheah.

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:54.919
<v Speaker 2>Like the library has most of the Yeah. Almost every

0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:57.160
<v Speaker 2>time I hear about a seminar, I'm like, the library

0:50:57.200 --> 0:50:58.040
<v Speaker 2>has all of this.

0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 3>The access to someone's got the better information, and I'll

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<v Speaker 3>pay for it.

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<v Speaker 2>They never started to think that that person may not

0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:07.400
<v Speaker 2>be actually up to snuff, so to speak. That's a

0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:08.760
<v Speaker 2>ridiculous take away. The crowd.

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<v Speaker 3>The crowd is the ridiculous. That's excellent. That's all That's

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