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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Saren Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: What's up, dude, I got a question for you.

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Speaker 3: I got a question for you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fine, you guys first, what's your question?

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Speaker 3: You know what's ridiculous? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do? Oh, okay, okay, Mark Twain and Tesla.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like Tesla the guy, the guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, like Nicola Tesla, my dude, right, two of my

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Speaker 2: favorite guys in history. Do you know they were friends?

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were really good friends. They met in a

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Speaker 2: gentleman's social club and both like billiards. That's not what's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: What's ridiculous is that Tesla once played a really crappy

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Speaker 2: joke on his friend. Yeah. So in the past, Mark Twain,

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Speaker 2: he complained to Tesla about how he had this really bad,

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Speaker 2: recurring bouts of constipation. Right, So Tesla's like, oh, don't worry,

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Speaker 2: I got you, buddy, I got this new invention. You

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Speaker 2: got to come by my lab, but it'll hook you

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Speaker 2: all up. And he's like, really, for reals, yeah, come

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Speaker 2: by it. He's so he goes and he checks it

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Speaker 2: out and this is vibrating, humming, oscillating metal disc. He's

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Speaker 2: like how is this gonna help my my constipation? I'm

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Speaker 2: all jammed up, Tesla. And Tesla's like, oh no, here's

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Speaker 2: what you do. You get on this and it imparts

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Speaker 2: vitality and he's like, what do you mean in parts

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Speaker 2: of by tell he's this one of your electric doo

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Speaker 2: witsy He's like, yeah, yes, this is one of my electrict.

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Speaker 3: Like, what do you mean get on it?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So this is what he says, is you go,

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Speaker 2: when you stand on top of this stand metal oscillating

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Speaker 2: disc and oscillating just going up and down, but don't right.

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Speaker 2: So he's like, yeah, you go, do stand on that

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Speaker 2: and it'll give you this really pleasing feeling and you

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Speaker 2: don't have to worry about being constipated. It'll be basically

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Speaker 2: shake it at you. And he's like what He's like,

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Speaker 2: oh are you for real? To Tesla and fast you

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Speaker 2: can say Caliverari's county. He jumped right up on there,

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Speaker 2: and Tesla he told him, now, when I tell you

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Speaker 2: Twain to get off this thing, you gotta get off right.

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Speaker 2: And Mark Twain's like, oh you bet, you don't you

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Speaker 2: worry about that? Flip the switch, Tesla, And so Tesla's

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Speaker 2: like go now. You can imagine him like in his

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Speaker 2: white suit and Tesla's there and like the black rubber

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Speaker 2: smock and gloves and electricity is arcing everywhere in the background.

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Speaker 2: He's like, okay, stand still, Twain, and he hits the

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Speaker 2: switch right, and electricity surges through the cables and then

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Speaker 2: now arcing right and everything's sparking and going crazy. And

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Speaker 2: inside this crazy voltage crackling all around him is Mark

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Speaker 2: Twain and he's just delighted. He's laughing. It feels like

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Speaker 2: I don't know, like MDMA, but electricity.

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Speaker 3: Right, He's just this amazing He's not like getting electrically

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Speaker 3: just beggled.

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Speaker 2: No, No, there's like a surge of Like the Tesla

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Speaker 2: it had figured out ways to run lots of voltage

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Speaker 2: around as long as you didn't run a lot of

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Speaker 2: ampage into the person. So it's the amps that kill you,

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Speaker 2: it's not the voltage.

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Speaker 3: So I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the amperage was was was not so much that

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Speaker 2: it could hurt him. So the vaults are just racing

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Speaker 2: past him, just basically sparking the air, right, so just

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Speaker 2: turning into like a light show of crackling electricity. And

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Speaker 2: so this was the Tesla is just like, you know,

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Speaker 2: telling Twain, Oh you enjoy any Twains, it is great.

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Speaker 2: He's like, okay, now you need you need to get

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Speaker 2: down off the disk. In Twain it's like, nah, I'm fine,

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Speaker 2: this is great. He's like, no, no, you really need

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Speaker 2: don't tell me what to do when I'm having pleasure, boy,

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Speaker 2: just leave me alone. And so he does, and Tesla's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: well you'll find out for yourself. And all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Twain found out for himself it had indeed done what

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Speaker 2: it had been practiced and purported to do. It had

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Speaker 2: imparted vitality, and it had jiggled everything loose. He started

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Speaker 2: to feel the first leak cawling down his leg and

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Speaker 2: he's like, Tesla, my man, the water closet post haste.

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Speaker 2: made Mark Twain soil his white suit.

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Speaker 3: Wow, yes, I thought you were gonna say. He said,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well no, that was it did.

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Speaker 3: But there's all the lights stuff going around electricity, so

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. He was ever seen like the things where

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Speaker 3: Why aren't people doing that now? Like, doesn't that seem

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Speaker 3: like something that be doing Instagram people totally come into

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Speaker 2: They do actually do this. You know. They have the

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Speaker 2: stuff now where they strap on like this oscillating thing.

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Speaker 2: It's supposed to jiggle your muscles into being stronger and

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Speaker 2: it's like a late night kind of TV ad. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it'll get the it'll get the poop addy and the muscles.

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Speaker 2: India interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, check that out that that's ridiculous. A lot of

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Speaker 3: it that's so ridiculous. Do you want to know what

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Speaker 3: else is ridiculous? Or for it hypnotizing your way to millions?

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Speaker 2: Tell me more.

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Speaker 3: This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 3: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent ridiculous. You are damn right, Yes, my nephew, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's four. Yes, I've talked about him a little bit

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Speaker 3: on the show before totally good kid. He has this

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Speaker 3: thing now where he holds out his hand like baby

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Speaker 3: Yoda and he says, by the power of the moon,

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Speaker 3: I hypnotize you.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, I've seen him do this. Yeah, you're shown. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: show me the videos.

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Speaker 3: Of then, because I always play. Yeah, he orders me

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Speaker 3: around to have fun here we do, we have, we

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Speaker 3: have fun. The last time he was over here, he

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Speaker 3: hypnotized me and told me to walk into the kitchen okay,

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Speaker 3: and then he told me to pick up a watermelon

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Speaker 2: Gallagher gag.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was prepared to like, oh, I broke

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Speaker 3: It was like a really clever way to ask for

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Speaker 3: of course I did, but it was really hilarious, like, yes,

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Speaker 3: cut it, and that's the only time I've ever been hypnotized.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: You said before I think on here that you don't

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Speaker 3: think you can be hypnotized.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't believe that I can. So therefore I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's possible. I won't submit to what you

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I mean only if I'm told to pick up a watermelon.

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Speaker 2: I'm mule stubborn.

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Speaker 3: But you know, like people get into it though.

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Speaker 2: Recom people all the time. I'm suggesting it doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: Just you have to think it works exactly.

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Speaker 3: And there's like the subliminal messaging hypnosis where people listen

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Speaker 2: But I know somebody work for them, so I believe it.

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Speaker 3: And then there's the hypnosis we see on TV procedurals

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that, so.

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Speaker 3: I've heard that happens on shows. And then there's entertainment

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Speaker 3: hypnosis like loungejacks magician.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, walk like a chick in clock like a duck.

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Speaker 3: I feel like there were more of these in like

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Speaker 2: There's more all the nightclub aacs. That's why it fill off.

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Speaker 3: People don't go to club.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thereose are old nightclub Take vaudeville, run that into

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Speaker 3: No, the seventies eighties we had hypnotists. I think the

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Speaker 2: People do that stuff. People will still love that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's one notorious hypnotist from the loungeacked hypnotist area.

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Speaker 3: but he was this guy also a ridiculous criminal. Ronald Peller,

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Speaker 3: They would take cheap watches, it'd stick them in the

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Speaker 3: Classic. He saved, and he saved that sweet watch money.

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Speaker 3: I I think I'm eighteen, and now they'll let me

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Speaker 3: run around. Okay, So he had all this little group

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Speaker 3: He said he went to college there and eventually got

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Speaker 2: But the truth I've said that at parties on the truth.

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Speaker 3: Zarin is that he grew up in Chicago with his

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Speaker 3: parents and his brother. No adventures in Southeast only adventures

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Speaker 2: Ah, the ones in the mid ones in the mine.

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Speaker 2: So they're the best kind.

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Speaker 3: By the nineteen sixties, he was performing as a nightclub hypnotist.

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Speaker 2: It's like a cruise ship magician. It just sounds a hypnotist.

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Speaker 3: There's a really good short documentary about him called Mister Hypnotism,

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Speaker 3: super easy to find online. He talks about how in

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Speaker 3: his early days he would put gray paint in his

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Speaker 2: Doctor Dante, doctor Dte in the house.

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Speaker 3: And he also conducted self help seminars using hypnotism. According

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Speaker 3: to The Wall Street Journal, he had a whole pitch

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Speaker 3: at these performances slash seminars. He would say, quote, look around.

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Speaker 2: In July, No thanks, I'm good love.

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Speaker 3: July of nineteen sixty two, Claire Rosamond Golden Kissel Pillar.

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Speaker 3: She filed suit against her husband, Dante the Hypnotist.

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Speaker 3: It is. Uh so he wasn't supposed to cash the check.

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Speaker 3: mom who's supposed to be dead in Kuala Lumpur. Yes, yeah, so,

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Speaker 3: the judge said Claire quote was under hypnotic influence to

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Speaker 2: Wonder what the legal statutes are around hypnotism. You know,

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Speaker 2: what do we have about this? It's all about exercise

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Speaker 3: But honestly, is this not the best endorsement for the hypnotists?

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Speaker 3: So he didn't need Claire. He had his sights on

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Speaker 3: On May ninth, nineteen sixty nine, he got married again.

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Speaker 3: Of course, in the course of his life he got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but this was the most spectacular. He was marrying

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Speaker 2: How did they find each other? Like at a convention?

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Speaker 3: No, they met at a disco three months prior, and

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Speaker 2: You can find someone married seven times?

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Speaker 3: Well, there they were in Vegas. They're trying the knots.

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Speaker 3: number one sweater girl. Born Julia Jean Turner. You know

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Speaker 2: Oh no way?

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Speaker 3: He married Lana Turner. Wow. So Let's not forget that

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Speaker 3: Lana Turner was previously mixed up with mobster Johnny Stompinado.

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Speaker 3: They began dating. It was a violent relationship. Stompinado was

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Speaker 3: Another Place in London in nineteen fifty seven, Stompinado threatened

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Speaker 3: Connery double O seven to the guy.

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Speaker 2: This is when Sean Connie was mister Universe. He's a

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Speaker 3: Grabbed the gun and like twisted Stompinado's wrist.

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Speaker 3: You're playing boshaw. And then April fourth, nineteen fifty eight,

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Speaker 2: Turn I also know about that.

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Speaker 3: I don't count this as one percent because he doesn't

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Speaker 2: A lot like unt more self defense.

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Speaker 3: It was it completely was she saved her mother.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was definitely. That's how I only know the stories.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but her career didn't really suffer.

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Speaker 2: No, No, she was a sweetheart of America.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was whining down though her career when she

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Speaker 3: someone tried to kill Dante. Oh no, it wasn't Sheryl

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Speaker 3: He was in the process of emptying the place out

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Speaker 3: Then well, no, the dude takes off. The windshield of

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Speaker 2: Oh didn't get hit out of the five bullets.

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Speaker 3: This is what Lana Turner said in her nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go with the lie, you know why,

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Speaker 3: So he wearing an Australian bush hat. Really his eyes

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Speaker 3: were hazel. This is what Dante said, quote, I don't

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Speaker 3: about this winter. Dante kept piling up. So right after

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Speaker 2: Ooh.

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Speaker 3: A year before, in nineteen sixty eight, he'd been arrested

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Speaker 2: Flatbed truck loading the boats.

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Speaker 3: Yes, just load him up. He was arrested but never

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Speaker 3: On the document, it said that if Dante and Lana

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Speaker 3: She said that Dante had actually stolen about one hundred

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Speaker 3: The court awarded Lana Turner twenty five thousand dollars and

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Speaker 3: apology for being such a dirt bag? Well, he was

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Speaker 3: Medical Hypnoidal Association. And another thing in the ad was

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Speaker 3: after their divorce. So he was doing basically correspondence class hypnotism. Yes, okay, yes,

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Speaker 3: else got sucked into Doctor Dante's madness. Zaren over here, Zaren?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Elizabeth front Row, what was your question, Doctor Dante?

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Speaker 2: Actually know? Helen Thomas?

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, My question is shut up, Helen. Do you

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Speaker 3: want to hear more? Yes, Okay, I do so, Doctor Dante.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that I don't believe happened, neither do I, or

436
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,159
Speaker 2: that he arranged. I do believe shots were fired.

437
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Maybe he fired the shots and then spun

438
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 3: around and ran back. In the next year after the

439
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 3: marriage and divorce, nineteen seventy, he got shot at again

440
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 3: in Texas.

441
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 2: It's really a bullet magnet.

442
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 3: He really is. It was five in the morning and

443
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 3: someone popped out and fired at his car with a shotgun,

444
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 3: and once again he was treated for cuts from the

445
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 3: broken windshield glass.

446
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 2: He just grabbing it, rubbing it on his face.

447
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 3: I think I just falls forward. He'd been going to

448
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 3: this bakery, this bakery called Missus Baird's, and because a

449
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 3: woman had called him and said meet me at Missus Baird's,

450
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 3: and he was like, all right, but there was no woman.

451
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 3: No one showed up. And as he was driving away,

452
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 3: the shooting started. Oh he said, quote. I swerved the

453
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 3: car to the right and jumped out the passenger's side.

454
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 3: Just as I hit the deck, I heard a shotgun explode.

455
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 3: There must have been five other shots that followed, and

456
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 3: I wouldn't doubt they had three people in the car.

457
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 3: I've got a good smacking of who it was who

458
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 3: tried to kill me. Now, there are a lot of

459
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 3: issues in this. First of all, it's always five shots

460
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 3: with him exactly.

461
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 2: And also I gotta one to know this. If you're driving,

462
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 2: you're on the left side of the car. If you're

463
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 2: gonna someone's gonna do something, wouldn't you swerve to the

464
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 2: left and jump out of the left side as to

465
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 2: the right and jumping out of the right because now

466
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 2: you swerve, you got to get over to the right

467
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: and then open the door and jump out of the car.

468
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 3: Make those It doesn't make any sense. The person who

469
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 3: tried to kill him, according to him, was an entertainment legend,

470
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 3: someone who is actually made an appearance on this show before.

471
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm listening.

472
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 3: So Dante said he had quote a very warm relationship

473
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 3: with a woman, but they hadn't seen each other for

474
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 3: a couple I was really opened.

475
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: To Sammy Davis Junior with his good eye.

476
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 3: Well, this is how Dante explains it. Quote. For the

477
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: last three or four months, I've been harassed by phone

478
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 3: calls of people who claim to be friends of Frank Sinachi.

479
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 3: They told me to stay away from Nancy or I'd

480
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:25,479
Speaker 3: get my legs broken.

481
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: Messing around with his daughter. Nancy's either his wife's daughter.

482
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 2: It has to be his daughter, most likely his daughter

483
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 2: his daughter. But either way, don't mess around with frank

484
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: daughter or his what whatever, his sister, his mother.

485
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 3: Brother, it's is Yeah, I think it's his daughter anyway, So, yeah,

486
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 3: he's messing around with Nancy. Frank's like they're gonna.

487
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 2: Nancy Nancy Sinatra shows up on ridiculous Crime on the right, really.

488
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: Does she really does? So Dante, he went around intimating

489
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 3: that it was Frank who put the hit out.

490
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 2: And make himself important with Frank Sinatra. Yeah, he tried

491
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: to kill me live.

492
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 3: Someone asked Nancy Sinatra about it, and a spokesman for

493
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 3: Nancy Sinatra said, quote Miss Sinatra said she did not

494
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 3: know Dante and that she had never even heard of him. Yes, yeah,

495
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 3: so that's good. But now that Dante had created a

496
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 3: connection between he and Nancy Sinatra, he wasn't going to

497
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 3: give that up. Chris, I mean, you figure there's a

498
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: good portion of the population who doesn't keep up with

499
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 3: follow up news. Yes, so, like they hear that Lana

500
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 3: Turner married some weirdo hypnotists, but they don't pay attention

501
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 3: to the talk of divorce, and then they hear about

502
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 3: Frank Sinatra possibly putting out a hit on a freaky hypnotist,

503
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 3: but they don't hear about the follow up that Nancy's clarification.

504
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: I don't know who this was. In December of nineteen

505
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 3: seventy the Adolphus Hotel in Dallas. They put out an

506
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 3: announcement they were having a New Year's Eve blowout party

507
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: and the featured guest celebrity hypnotist doctor Dante.

508
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,959
Speaker 2: They really needed the internet back then.

509
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: Who are the special guests with this? Lana Turner and

510
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: Nancy Sinatra, And of course neither of them show up.

511
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: This guy's shameless.

512
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 3: He's so shameless. That's exactly what he is.

513
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 2: He might as well have said anybody because they weren't

514
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: going to show up. It could have been anybody. Yeah,

515
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: so u Ja Jagabor will be a this week in Della.

516
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 3: He's just taken out ads all over the place. He

517
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: loved over hyped newspaper.

518
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 2: Oh yes, he loves hype.

519
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 3: In January of nineteen seventy one, he ran an ad

520
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: for his appearance at the Ramada Inn in Irving, Texas.

521
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 2: Okay.

522
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 3: He said that this would be the last stop on

523
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: his world tour that he had played Athens, Bangkok, Japan, London, Paris,

524
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 3: and Rome. And I like how Japan doesn't get a city.

525
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: No, No, it's just.

526
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 3: The whole place. It's like how people say Africa. It's

527
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 3: like a continent, not country. And so now where do

528
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: you go next? After all that Irving Text serving Texas Natural.

529
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 3: He was always totally full of hot horns, he said.

530
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 3: He said that his eyes and his voice were insured

531
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 3: for ten million dollars. Crazy. So he said that he

532
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 3: was the quote favorite husband of both Lana Turner and

533
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 3: Brigitte Bardeaux. Here's the problem.

534
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: He was never married.

535
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 3: No, he was never married to Brigitte Bardeau. I couldn't

536
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: even find anything about them being like linked romantically or

537
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: even in the same room. Yeah, but it's kind of

538
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 3: like how the time that I was married to Jack

539
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 3: White from the White Stripes and I was his favorite

540
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 3: wife and.

541
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: A yeah, it was a ten minute long story, you tell.

542
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 3: It was, And I'm a Vagoda's favorite wife.

543
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: That's true.

544
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: He still says that whose favorite husband are you?

545
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: How Lindon just all Barnie Miller Miller fans.

546
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: That's so crazy that we were each married to someone

547
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: from Barney Miller.

548
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: No, we get around.

549
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: It's amazing.

550
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: Cast parties were rocking.

551
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: They were they were so crazy. Doctor Dante he wasn't

552
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: the only man in the game, though. There was another

553
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: hypnotist on the scene. His name was doctor Sandford Berman

554
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 3: a k a. Doctor Michael Dean.

555
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: Right, I was still hoping the thing to be doctor

556
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: Sandy Berman.

557
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: I know, no, Michael Dean heed it so completely did so.

558
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 3: Where doctor Dante took took took, doctor Dean gave gave gays.

559
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: Oh.

560
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was born curious. He was born just north

561
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 3: of Duluth, Minnesota, in the nineteen twenties. Poor assault to

562
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: the earth guy. Yeah. He got his bachelors in Radio

563
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: and Communications from University of minnesotaol. Masters in speech from

564
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: Columbia University. I heard that place is good too, me too,

565
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: Doctorate in Speech communications from.

566
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: Northwestern Ah good school.

567
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 3: Yep, he had the bona fides. Yes, and he was

568
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 3: heavy into the study of semantics, which fascinating. Let me

569
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: read you a definition of general semantics.

570
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 2: Oh please.

571
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 3: General semantics is concerned with how events translate to perceptions,

572
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 3: how they are further modified by the names and labels

573
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: we apply to them, and how we might gain a

574
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: measure of control over our own cognitive, emotional, and behavioral responses.

575
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: So we believe what we tell ourselves.

576
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was super into that study, which is interesting.

577
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 3: So when doctor Dean was in grad school, he learned

578
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 3: hypnosis and he used it for scientific reasons. Not he

579
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 3: losed it for good not evil.

580
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: Okay.

581
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: He taught people self hypnosis for Behavioralay, he's.

582
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: A white hat hypnotist.

583
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: Yes. He he advised the boxer Ken Norton really yeah,

584
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: one of the few men to beat Mahin.

585
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: Yes, and his son is the hell of a football player.

586
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was an advisor to him. He was like,

587
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: by the power of.

588
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: The movie will he may pull like a butterfly, but

589
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 2: you will.

590
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 3: Hit like a tank, Doctor Dean. He turned to entertainment though.

591
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the money.

592
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: When you got the hypnotist, he got the gift. He

593
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: had a long career as a professional nightclub hypnotist. I'm

594
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 3: going to get you business cards, that says Aaron Burnette.

595
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: And flip it over cruise ship magicians exactly.

596
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: And he mostly was in Vegas, which is like that's

597
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: where you got to go, try.

598
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: To hang out, And so I go there for the carpets.

599
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: It smells so good. In nineteen seventy four, Doctor Dean

600
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 3: accused Doctor Dante of following him around and copying his act.

601
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, hit him, get him.

602
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: Here's the quote. I first met him in Chicago in

603
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty when he frequently caught my act. Then I

604
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: went to Hawaii to perform before the International Society of Samantasis,

605
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: and Dante came in to see my show every night

606
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: for three weeks. I returned to Chicago and saw him

607
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: perform my same act at the Cairo Supper Club. I

608
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: had to borrow him from the San Diego gas Light

609
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: Club about eight months ago, since he had been following

610
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: me around the country trying to steal my act for

611
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: his own shows, which he puts on in North Hollywood.

612
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: He sat in the front row during one of my

613
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: recent Las Vegas shows. Often, after I'd leave a town,

614
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: he'd come in and tell the hotel manager that he

615
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: would perform the same type of show for much less money,

616
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: the most amazing undercutting.

617
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: You like that, But North Hollywood, shout out North Risk

618
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: he does this in North Hollywood.

619
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, man, I'm sorry for him.

620
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: Geez, not even Studio city.

621
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: Well, I also like the San Diego the gas Light Club.

622
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

623
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: Well yeah, it's a whole district.

624
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: It's a whole thing.

625
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: So Dante. He was serious though, about eliminating the competition.

626
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: He wanted Doctor Dean out of a picture. Okay, so

627
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 3: doctor Dante. He approached three men, and he offered them

628
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: thirty four hundred dollars to kill doctor Dean. Really, yeah,

629
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: that's like eighteen and a half thousand dollars today.

630
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's kill you money.

631
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: I'd be insulted if someone was like, I'll give you

632
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: eighteen grand to kill Elizabeth?

633
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: Really?

634
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

635
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: Do you know how much people were willing to take

636
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: to kill something?

637
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: I am? I'm worth more than that, I'd be insulted.

638
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, I mean he could probably like

639
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: ten grand is like a modern price. That would be like,

640
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: you can get a good thing for like three grand.

641
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: You're getting somebody you know, you met in a park.

642
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: I'm worth like at least one hundred and fifty thousand

643
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: dollars for a hitman.

644
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

645
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe in me and I believe in my

646
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: value like you.

647
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: I like that about you.

648
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: It's a high ame high one hundred and fifty k.

649
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: So anyway, Doctor Dean, Doctor Dante. Sorry, he gives he

650
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: gives him fourteen hundred dollars up front. He's like, this

651
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: is my down payments. Can I get a receipt? You're

652
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: asking people to take a whole lot of risk for

653
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: not a whole lot of money here, doctor Dante. But

654
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: they agree one of the men was the owner of

655
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: a night club.

656
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: So there's semi professionally.

657
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: Here's their semipro. One of them own's a nightclub, the

658
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 3: other two undercover cops.

659
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: Yes, most hit men are.

660
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: That's what fine Friday News exactly. The whole point of

661
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: this was so that Dante could get Dean's coveted San

662
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: Diego nightclub gig. That was the whole thing I want.

663
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: He wanted that gay play the gas light. He's like,

664
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: I love soft lighting.

665
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: It's just so flattering. So in February of nineteen seventy four,

666
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: he pleads not guilty to this because obviously he got

667
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: caught because it's undercover cops.

668
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

669
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: He was released on his own recognaissance, so he was

670
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: able to keep up his nightclub act. Okay, Zarines close

671
00:30:59,520 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: you at.

672
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I.

673
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: Want you to picture it. You're a bartender at the

674
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: Pirate's Den, a nightclub in Tucson, Arizona. It's June twenty first,

675
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy four, summer solstice. You have no idea that

676
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: almost fifty years later the business will be called Raiders

677
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: Reef Exotic Dancing and have a two point five star

678
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: rating on Yelp, with reviews such as quote this place

679
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: used to be really fun, but now it's like the

680
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: waiting room to hell. The dancers are absolutely lifeless. The

681
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: room is devoid of life or excitement, and most of

682
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: the time dancers spend more time on their phone than

683
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: working the room. I had more fun at dental appointments.

684
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: If you have one hundred dollars burning a hole in

685
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: your pocket, throw it in the garbage disposal because you'll

686
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: have more fun doing that than spending it here. But

687
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: right now's Aaron in nineteen seventy four. It's just a

688
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: hot nightclub. Okay, calm down. It opened just a couple

689
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 3: of years ago. The building is shaped like a pirate's

690
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: galleon and drift in a parched lot on East Golf

691
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: Links Road. Lots of acts come through, and it's a

692
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: swinging place. I mean there are acts at the tail

693
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: end of their careers. Herman's, Hermit's chubby Checker, Fabian, the platters,

694
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: but still your work uniform is a pirate's costume, striped

695
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: pants with jagged hems, a white blouse, a fake hoopering,

696
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: no brown. The ground floor bar level is hopping tonight,

697
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 3: lots of young Tusonians sit at small cabaret tables facing

698
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: a stage light. Music plays in the background as people

699
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: line up at the bar to order my ties, slippery Nipples,

700
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: Takila sunrises. Your specialty is the zombie.

701
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: You serve it in a.

702
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: Giant fake coconut shell with all sorts of garnishes. You

703
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: look at the clock tucked under the bar. Five minutes

704
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: to showtime. You figure you'll just have enough time to

705
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: slip outside and have a smoke before the show starts.

706
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: You serve the zombie you were making and slip out

707
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: the side door into the parking lot. Traffic races by

708
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: on East Golf Links. You take out your pack of

709
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: smokes and you tap it into your palm. A car

710
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: enters the parking lot. It's Jerry, one of the owners

711
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: of the club. He's coming in hot You soon realize

712
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: that's because he has that doctor Dante, the hypnotist in

713
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: the car, must have picked him up at his hotel.

714
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: The car doors swing open just then two Department of

715
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: Public Safety officers jump out from behind the dumpster. What

716
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: the blazes were they doing back there? You wonder? Another

717
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: cop car peelsing a lot and blocks on Jerry's cap.

718
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: They draw guns and present badges. Ronald Peller aka Ronald Dante,

719
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: you are under arrest. Huh, asked doctor Dante. This is

720
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: getting good. Well, you're charged with grand theft for taking

721
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: thirty five hundred dollars worth of radio equipment for your

722
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: private plane and not paying for it. Jerry, the owner

723
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: pipes up. Look, can't you wait one more hour. We've

724
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: got a show to do. We've got three hundred people

725
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: in the club waiting to see him. One of the

726
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: officers bark. Stand back, mister, and keep your mouth shut.

727
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: They cuffed Dante, throw him in the back of the

728
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: squad car. Doctor Dante has been double arrested. You open

729
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: the side door of the nightclub and the sound of

730
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: the patrons and smooth yacht rocks smack you in the face.

731
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: You wonder how Jerry's going to take care of this mess.

732
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: Just a few days later, charge smoke breakover. Just a

733
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 3: few days later, the charges for the radio equipment would

734
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: be dropped. Apparently he did have receipts for the stuff.

735
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: There was still the matter of the attempted murder for hire.

736
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: Though, yes, that is a sticky, wicked post charges.

737
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: Had not been dropped. Let's take a break. When we

738
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: come back, we'll see how that was working out for

739
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: old doctor John Pey. Hey.

740
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, yes, Elizabeth, Hey, I was. I wasn't sleeping.

741
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 2: I was here.

742
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: I'm here, go ahead, just resting my eyes. So doctor Jaunted, Yes,

743
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 3: my god, he was. He was charged with attempted murder,

744
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 3: your guy. Charge was attempted icious murder for hire, I

745
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: should say, after trying to pay two undercover cops to

746
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: take out his hypnotist rival, doctor Dean.

747
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: Sorry, I know.

748
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: In a pre trial hearing for the attempted murder case,

749
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: the defense put forward a theory that maybe doctor Dante

750
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: wasn't competent to stand trial.

751
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: Your honor, have you listened to the Mike clients?

752
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: Why drugs? They said his mental abilities were impaired by drugs,

753
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: And he was seen by two different doctors, and there

754
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 3: was a split decision on this. One said he was okay,

755
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: the other one said he was bonkers, all hopped up

756
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 3: on goofballs. In the end, the judge found him fit

757
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: to face justice.

758
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 2: For you to say that drugs are the problem, why

759
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 2: you're not competent to stand trial. Don't they just say,

760
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: don't give them the drugs.

761
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: Well, and then it gave him the brain damage. Oh yes, yeah,

762
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: he was found guilty naturally. Yeah, January seventy five, he

763
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: was sentenced to twenty two years. That's harsh. They just

764
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: didn't like him, but not all the way. District Attorney

765
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: Gary Neap. He was both tickled by and irritated with

766
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: Dante during the trial.

767
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: I like to imagine him physically tickling him. Yeah, during

768
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: you'll go back over there to the other test.

769
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 3: Come on, this is what the DA said. Quote. Yeah,

770
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 3: I kind of like him. He's got some sort of

771
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: magnetism that gets people into.

772
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: His confidence with bullets. Yeah.

773
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 3: Thus, well that's a con man the confidence.

774
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. People always missed that. It's like conment are likable.

775
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: That's why they.

776
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: Became confidence man. Well, and then don't forget doctor Dante

777
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 3: has the power of the moon, yes, in his pocket.

778
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: Doctor Dante appealed the conviction on the grounds that he

779
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: was never given the opportunity to plead insanity, and that

780
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 3: was rejected. But he only served twenty eight months of

781
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: his twenty two year sentence.

782
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: How does that work out? I'm not going at math

783
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: like that, that makes no sense.

784
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but according to Bob Gold, doctor Dante's personal aid.

785
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 2: He hypnotized the parole board.

786
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: After his release from prison in nineteen seventy eight. Everyone

787
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: wanted to rebook quote the big bad mysterious Dante.

788
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: Big bad, big big, he's a bad boy coming out in.

789
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: The leather, the outlaw hypatis.

790
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: I'll habnotize you against your will, sir, You need to

791
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 2: calm down.

792
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: He chose to put his powers to use though at

793
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 3: the Mind Science Church.

794
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: Doctor Dean, that is so late seventies.

795
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: So totally. Doctor Dean, who wasn't murdered, said hypnosis was

796
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 3: quote too powerful a tool to teach to any idiot

797
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 3: off the street. The power the moves.

798
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: That is so quotable.

799
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: Oh, I know. So. Back in nineteen sixty nine, Dante

800
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: had opened a clinic for cancer patients, the Psychoneurology Foundation.

801
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a lot of charity money in this.

802
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: Say, well, no, I understand the desire to try anything

803
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: that could possibly help if you're fighting cancer, especially in

804
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: those days when treatment was nowhere near what I believe

805
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: on the cancer side, but I would sincerely hope that

806
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: this wasn't the only treatment that those cancer patients saw it.

807
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: Oh god, I hope not. Yeah, I hope that this

808
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: was like the last of it, right, Oh, I'm desperate.

809
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: In eighty one, he expanded the Psycho Neurology Foundation and

810
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: was now covering AIDS patients too.

811
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

812
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: Well, and like, yeah, this was pretty forward thinking for

813
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: that time, seeing how.

814
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: If doctor Dean was doing it, I'd be cool with it,

815
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: Doctor Dante.

816
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: No, No, I mean like HIV AIDS was thought by

817
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: the public to be transmissible by handshake.

818
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: They weren't doing CPR during the early eighties.

819
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: Zigma was insane. And now like we have HIV treatment

820
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: pharmaceutical ads playing right alongside ones for plaque soriatis. You know,

821
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 3: we've come a long way, baby, so doctor Dante. He

822
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 3: said he funded the clinic through donations from the thousands

823
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 3: of patients cured by the free hypnosis. He said that

824
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 3: the hypnotists at the clinic got top notch hypnotherapy training

825
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 3: from him, all in exchange for twelve hours of work.

826
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah so Lies.

827
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: Lies, always the promoter and always wanting to be celebrity adjacent.

828
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 3: He took up a one page ad in a bunch

829
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: of papers for the PNF in nineteen eighty five. The

830
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: banners the top of the ad proclaimed how to be

831
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 3: a Hypnotherapist, Absolutely.

832
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: Free, Come down, Ed McMann will be here.

833
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 3: He did these gigs all over the country. He would

834
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 3: spend Uh, it's funny that you mentioned that he would

835
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: spend about forty thousand dollars on ads, and then he'd

836
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: do three to five days of seminars and he'd pull

837
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: in at least one hundred and twenty thousand for the stand.

838
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: I'm disgusted by that.

839
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 3: It's totally so. In the ad this time around was

840
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: doctor Dante with Johnny Carson, what host of NBC's Tonight Show.

841
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: I think like a con you did.

842
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: That was just Ed McMahon.

843
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: He went for that. I knew right to Yeah. I

844
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: didn't think he could afford.

845
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: John so well, he's sitting in this table and a

846
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: picture in the ad sitting with Johnny Carson, and the

847
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: caption said doctor Dante being interviewed by Johnny Carson. Wow,

848
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: it was a real photo. I'm sure caption is false.

849
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: Carson's attorney, Jerry Stobbs said the photo was taken quote

850
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 3: sixteen or seventeen years ago with Carson's permission, But they.

851
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: Weren't like a tables next to each other.

852
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: It wasn't for advertising, and it wasn't an interview. It

853
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 3: was a typical like hey, can I get a picture

854
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: with you? Photo with a celebrity. Yeah, Carson's lawyer said.

855
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: Did I sit down at the table?

856
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: Exactly? This is what Carson's lawyer said. Quote. There was

857
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: a clear indication that when that photo was published, that

858
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: Carson was endorsing that clinic, which he is not. We

859
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: are not aware of any authorization to use that picture

860
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 3: in advertising. What did doctor Dante have to say about

861
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: this quote? It makes it look like I associate with

862
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: Hollywood people, so maybe people will come into the clinic.

863
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: He just says it, just says the thing. Just this

864
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 2: is why I did it.

865
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: But you know what, you mess with the bully, you

866
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: get the horns. Carson sued doctor Dante for fifty one

867
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 3: million dollars.

868
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 2: Oh, Johnny will suicide, Yeah.

869
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: You will, Dante. Then he turned around and he accused

870
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 3: Carson of trying to shut down his free clinic for

871
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: AIDS and cancer patients. Sue me, sue you, Yeah.

872
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: But come on, no one's going to believe that, Like,

873
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: oh yes, Carson's really against cancer and AIGE patients, and

874
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 2: you tried to.

875
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: Stop their true That's what doctor Dante said. Doctor take countersuit.

876
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 3: Oh god, for one billion dollars, would they be.

877
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: With the doctor evil fingership face.

878
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 3: One billion dollars. Here's what doctor Dante had to say

879
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: at a press conference. Quote. Carson is indirectly but nevertheless

880
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: responsible for letting hundreds of people die who might otherwise

881
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: be saved by the Foundation's breakthrough treatment. Carson's suit is

882
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 3: really against the Cancer and AIDS patients, knowing full well

883
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: that I cannot afford his unheard of suit of fifty

884
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: one million dollars. Wow, He's like, why do you hate people?

885
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: Johnny Carson?

886
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: He has all the goll like none of us have

887
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: any goalls, all of the Now.

888
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: I Dug and Doug and Doug. I don't know whatever

889
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: happened with that lawsuit. I'm going to assume there was

890
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: out the settlement of some sort with Johnny. I got

891
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: thrown out, but Johnny's suit the fifty one millions.

892
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet he'd let his Yeah.

893
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 3: Nothing popped up again in the pages.

894
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: You're not going to get anything from that. No, It's like,

895
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: how long do you want to pay a lawyer to

896
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: make this guy?

897
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 3: You should have just had the clinics shut down anyway.

898
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: That same year, though, nineteen eighty five, Dante legally changed

899
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: his name from Ronald Hugh Pellar to doctor Dante, with

900
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: doctor being his legal first PI.

901
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: He is such a scamp. Doctor is my name. It's

902
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: exactly It's on my driver's license. You were a mistake.

903
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: And when I said I was a doctor, I meant

904
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 2: one of the various men named doctor doctor.

905
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: So next year, eighty six, he made it into the

906
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: Guinness Book of World Records.

907
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: For being the worst criminal of the year, the biggest.

908
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: Jerk for getting paid the highest lecture fee for his

909
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: weekend in the therapy course that took place in Chicago

910
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: from June first to June's second, nineteen eighty six.

911
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: How is the greatest therapy price a record lecture fee?

912
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 3: How much do you think he made in those two days?

913
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: I have no idea million. I have one billion.

914
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: Dollars, three million dollars, three million dollars. This has to

915
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: be a lie. But how is Gunny's keeping track of

916
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: the If it's not, I'm not surprised because people are stupid,

917
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 3: But come on.

918
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: I know Gunnis book keeps a track A lot of

919
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: dumb records. Come on, yeah, really the speaking fees the.

920
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: Highest lecture fee in the years to come, saren. Doctor

921
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: Dante started more businesses.

922
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: Was he making wax statues?

923
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: Oh? They were outside of the hypnosis world, of course.

924
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: He started a paralegal academy. A what and it's called

925
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: an academy and I like to imagine it's like military

926
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: paramilitary paralegal.

927
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: Academy spelled differently, pair of legalsh.

928
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 3: He launched the permoderm Academy in nineteen eighty seven.

929
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: Is this like for like getting your Jerry girl right?

930
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 3: No, it's even better. This place offered two day permanent

931
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: makeup workshops at hotels.

932
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: Permanent making, like tattoo your face. You're gonna let this

933
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 2: man tattoo your face with sticks.

934
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 3: Would pay twenty five hundred dollars to learn a tattooing

935
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: technique on bananas and at the end of at the

936
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: end of the two days, not even like pig flesh,

937
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 3: just use a banana. It was like a sex said

938
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: workshop labor. At the end of the two days, the

939
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 3: students would be given the title of Board certified dermatologist.

940
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 2: Certified by what board? Just by he's holding up this board,

941
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: said I'm.

942
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: Good, bangs him on the head. There you go, the.

943
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: Board underneath the banana. That's what certified me.

944
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: The FTC started an investigating I am open, and in

945
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one they accused Permaderm of making FRAUDUC.

946
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: It just sounds like a lie.

947
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 3: He said that they made fraudulent claims about the credentials,

948
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: the training, the job outcome, the address. They got an

949
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 3: injunction on doctor Dante and Permiderm.

950
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: Boy just lied about their height, Yeah, for.

951
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: False representations height right there. In ninety seven, Dante was

952
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 3: convicted on ten counts of criminal contempt for violating that injunction.

953
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: Oh and like keeping it up. He later got sixty

954
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: seven months in prison for the contempt conviction, but fled

955
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: one day prior to the last day of the trial.

956
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: So like before they even he's just I'm out of here. Yeah,

957
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: don't worry though.

958
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: The last time you saw me.

959
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: He kept in Mexico and he immediately was sent to prison.

960
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: But he still had other businesses that he was keeping going.

961
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: One was Columbia State University, Columbia, Columbia State University, Okay,

962
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 3: late nineties, distance learning is all the rate. So it's

963
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 3: both like correspondence courses by mail, which is a long time,

964
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: and then this new option of online learning. And in

965
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: this expanding frontier of higher education came scammers, lots of

966
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: them diploma mills, which is exactly what Columbia State University was.

967
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: It operated out of a mail drop in Louisiana. There's

968
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: this guy, this higher ed expert John Bear, and he

969
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: was interviewed in nineteen ninety eight by the Boston Globe

970
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: about just diploma mills in general. Let me read you

971
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: a little bit for this article quote. Columbia State University

972
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 3: is a complete fake, says Bear. There's no such university.

973
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: The photograph on the cover of their catalog is of

974
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 3: Notre Dame University in Indiana. And while administrative office number

975
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: two thirty one is a three square mailbox. As for

976
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: the Ivy League like campus shown in the Columbia State

977
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: University catalog quote, it is actually a stately home in

978
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: upstate New York called Lyndhurst, Bear says. The catalog also

979
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 3: shows a photograph of its founder, doctor Austin Laird. Laird

980
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: is a famous historian an archaeologist of the nineteenth century,

981
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 3: says Bear. If he were still alive, he would be

982
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty one years old. The real owner

983
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: of Columbia State University is Ronald Pellar aka ron Dae Dante.

984
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: At Columbia State University, a six to eight page thesis

985
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: got you a master's degree, so I think wonderful. Well

986
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 3: hold on, and a twelve page one got you a doctorate?

987
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: Damn page thesis got all? I got thirteen pages for him?

988
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: So what do I get? The thing I always wonder

989
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: about these pill mill or pill mill, these degree mill places,

990
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: is who are you showing this degree too that you

991
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: need it? Like you get to get the degree? Who's

992
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: going to be convinced by a Columbia State University? Like?

993
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: What job is many people? Really?

994
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 3: At the time, you couldn't really research, like you know,

995
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: you couldn't go online and look up a lot of

996
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 3: stuff as long as you have a piece of paper,

997
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: sounds Columbia states.

998
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 2: Well then why did not just make the document yourself?

999
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: I mean, why go through all the waste of like

1000
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: somebody else made it.

1001
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: You want to have some honesty to it, You want

1002
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: to put twelve pages down in a I just never

1003
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: tried to.

1004
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 2: Get a really bad lie across.

1005
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: Here's the thing though, like both of the degrees, a

1006
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 3: master's and a doctorate, could be completed in about twenty

1007
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: seven days. Yeah, but the average is about two to

1008
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 3: four months. You could get a PhD for around three

1009
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. They also, this is like one of my

1010
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: favorite things. They let you haggle the price. So like,

1011
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 3: if you're like three thousands a little rich for my

1012
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: blood for this PhD?

1013
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: What do you want to pay geology? What's it going

1014
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: to take to get you in this degree and walk

1015
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: out of it.

1016
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: Back and twice on it? Yeah, so the next year slaps.

1017
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: The hood of this college. I want you to go

1018
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: in in here? What's it going to take? Sarh.

1019
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: The Illinois Attorney General came calling for them. They had

1020
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: shut down a bunch of diploma mills, including Columbia State University,

1021
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: and then in two thousand and four he pleaded guilty

1022
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: to nine counts of mail fraud tied to the Columbia

1023
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 3: State University Diploma Mill operation who mail Fraud.

1024
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 2: They got him on that. That'll put your.

1025
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: Gott to send those catalogs somewhere. His guilty plea involved

1026
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 3: paying restitution of almost forty six thousand dollars, and he

1027
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 3: had to surrender his one point five million dollar yacht.

1028
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: I cannot believe this guy is able to work this

1029
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: well with all this stuff.

1030
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 3: I yeah, it's just little bits here and there. He

1031
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: had an additional eight months added to his prison sentence

1032
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 3: just for you know, shiggles. When he got out, he

1033
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 3: moved to a mobile home in Palma Valley, California. So

1034
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: the mighty had fallen. Yes, he said he had cancer,

1035
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: but at this point, who could believe anything he said?

1036
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: He'd say anything, but he didn't.

1037
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: Give up the graft. In two thousand and seven, he

1038
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: was selling a DVD that walked people through the process

1039
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: of making scented paper flowers.

1040
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: And where did for the law?

1041
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 3: I don't know. He was also advertising a seminar that

1042
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: would share how magicians make ten thousand dollars a show.

1043
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: What he's like, I will tell you the secret.

1044
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the real trick to magic is this

1045
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: is this.

1046
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 3: He saw these enterprises as a way that he was

1047
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 3: like gonna get back on his feet. Quote, I'll charge

1048
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred dollars for a two day seminar. This should

1049
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 3: get me right back up to snuff again.

1050
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: How do the people have the fifteen hundred dollars that

1051
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: they're paying for? These people? Or do do the seminar

1052
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: like they're.

1053
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: Like, look at that investment, fifteen hundred dollars. Now I'm

1054
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: going to learn how to make a ten thousand a

1055
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 3: night as a as a cruise ship magician.

1056
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 2: Full and their money were truly quickly and easily parting quickly.

1057
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 3: Two thousand and nine. That documentary I told you about earlier,

1058
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 3: mister Hypnotism, Mister Hypnis. It was screened at south By Southwest.

1059
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: I do need to add that his look got more

1060
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: and more out there in his later years. Oh really,

1061
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: Like I couldn't put my finger on it, but researcher

1062
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 3: Andrea totally nailed it. He looks like doctor Jacobe from

1063
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: Twin Peaks.

1064
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: I don't watch can unfortunately is do you hear like

1065
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: frizzy hair?

1066
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like tinted round glass.

1067
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: Okay, that's kind of what I'm imagining.

1068
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 3: Now there it is.

1069
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: There it is.

1070
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: June first, twenty thirteen, Doctor Dante died in his home

1071
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 3: at the age of eighty three in Escondido, California.

1072
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 2: What a run, What a hell of a run.

1073
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: What's your ridiculous takeaways?

1074
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: Aaron, Oh wow, Rather than what's ron with him? I

1075
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: would have to say my ridiculous takeaway is it? Seminars

1076
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: Apparently are kind of the equivalent to the musician, like

1077
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: if you play a live show, that's where the money is. Yes,

1078
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: I had no idea you could make so much on

1079
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: these seminars. I thought he was making like maybe like

1080
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: an eighty to eight hundred dollars, six hundred dollars. I

1081
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: got ten dollars tickets or whatever. Apparently he's charging a lot.

1082
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 3: I have got to start doing seminars.

1083
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 2: People are paying thousands, yeah, just to hear something that

1084
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: they could find anywhere else for free.

1085
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeaheah.

1086
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 2: Like the library has most of the Yeah. Almost every

1087
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: time I hear about a seminar, I'm like, the library

1088
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: has all of this.

1089
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: The access to someone's got the better information, and I'll

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Speaker 3: pay for it.

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Speaker 2: They never started to think that that person may not

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Speaker 2: be actually up to snuff, so to speak. That's a

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Speaker 2: ridiculous take away. The crowd.

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Speaker 3: The crowd is the ridiculous. That's excellent. That's all That's

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Speaker 3: all I have for you today. You can find us

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Speaker 3: online at ridiculous Crime dot com. We're also at ridiculous

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Speaker 3: Crime on Twitter, Instagram threads. Do not email Ridiculous Crime

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Speaker 2: I'll give you Elizabeth personal email.

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Speaker 3: Do leave a talkback on the iHeart app, though people

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Speaker 3: don't do that, and I love it.

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Speaker 2: And so they gave me.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: I'm done, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett,

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Speaker 3: produced and edited by master mesmerizer Dave Kusten. Research is

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Speaker 3: by permiderm technician Marissa Brown and Columbia State University graduate

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Speaker 3: and valedictorian Andrea Song sharpened here. The theme song is

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Speaker 3: by Pirates cove House band Thomas Lee and Travis Dutton

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Speaker 3: Executive Pretty are Ben look into my eyes fallen and

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Speaker 3: No you are getting very sleepy Brown.

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