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Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling raivalry. No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that with your mouth revelry. That's good, Oliver. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got to interview Jason and Tyler Ritter, which was

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Speaker 1: really fun. I went to school with Jason. It was

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Speaker 1: a year younger than me. And Jason's disposition is so sweet, yes,

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Speaker 1: and so pure and so genuine, Like, I love that guy.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could do I wish I could be

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Speaker 1: like him in a way. He's so sunny. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: keeping this entire thing in as the intro. Shit. This

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Speaker 1: is our attempt to do the intro. This is one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes. It was so fun because I

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Speaker 1: listened to the whole thing and I was just like,

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Speaker 1: everything about it makes me feel good, and just their

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Speaker 1: whole energy, both of their energies, is so wonderful. Like you,

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Speaker 1: sunny is the right word. I mean, I know you're

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Speaker 1: super high right now, but you're really really hitting. So

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Speaker 1: I never really knew Tyler because he's so much younger,

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Speaker 1: and he's just as sweet and awesome as his brother.

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Speaker 1: I mean, anyway, it was this was great. I think

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Speaker 1: people are going to love this. I also think too,

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Speaker 1: like the way that they've handled their father's passing and

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Speaker 1: how they talk about it and express themselves will be

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Speaker 1: really helpful to so many people. No, I know, I

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Speaker 1: was actually curious if we were going to broach that,

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't sure. And when we did, I was.

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Speaker 1: I was happy that we did. It was actually nice

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Speaker 1: to be able to talk about it and just have

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Speaker 1: that memory. But anyway, I just I think I think

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Speaker 1: that the way that they you know, there's some really

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Speaker 1: just their sense of humor is just like enlightening. So

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Speaker 1: all right, so I hope everybody enjoys this episode with

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Speaker 1: Jason and Tyler Rider. So, Jason and Tyler, welcome to

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Speaker 1: Sibling Raillery. Just for people listening. You know, we went

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Speaker 1: to school together and so you know we've we've known

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Speaker 1: each other a long time. Yeah, were you in the

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Speaker 1: drama department across Roads? I was department. One of my

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Speaker 1: fondest memories is our improv Do you remember this? I

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Speaker 1: remember the improv and your dad was our one of

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Speaker 1: the judges. Do you remember that's a little biased, don't

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Speaker 1: you think I never lost I just wanted to say

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Speaker 1: that I had the fondest memory of and memories of

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Speaker 1: your dad being just the sweetest, and not to just

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Speaker 1: start it right off the bat with the fact that

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Speaker 1: you guys were really young when Dad passed away. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to inform a lot about what

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Speaker 1: we talk about being siblings and what how and during

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Speaker 1: that time you guys are both sort of like entering

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Speaker 1: wanted to sort of off the bad acknowledge it and

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Speaker 1: then kind of rewind a little bit, and let's share

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Speaker 1: with everybody sort of you know what the sibling dynamic is,

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Speaker 1: and who's the oldest, five the oldest, and then there's Carly,

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Speaker 1: who was between Tyler and I, who's two years younger

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Speaker 1: Tyler five years younger. He's the baby, He's the baby.

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Speaker 1: We have a younger brother, Noah and Noah yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: so all full siblings. Noah is our half yeah, and

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Speaker 1: how old is Noah no one? Yeah, she's yeah, crazy,

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Speaker 1: so fad. I just graduated high school and I'm like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like how you age inflation. Yes, Jesus, I've been inflamed

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Speaker 1: nine years old. A lot of people don't know, right

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Okay, so where were you born? Are you

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Speaker 1: I don't think like I'm in evil person at heart,

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Speaker 1: some of the things that you were you were? I

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Speaker 1: six or fine or whatever. Yeah. And then there are

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Speaker 1: this is as natural as it gets. No. I think

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Speaker 1: a minute, now, it was we had a cake, didn't we, Kate?

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Speaker 1: made a girly cake. You made a boy, Caike. Yes?

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Speaker 1: Can we make sure this stays in the podcast so

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Speaker 1: My point is is that having a brother was a

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Speaker 1: That's really smart, that's true, and the sibling lives forever.

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Speaker 1: It's like what monopoly. I don't like. Look, it's about captains.

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478
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Speaker 1: mom's an actress. And how did they meet? They met

479
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: through that. I think they had a mutual so they

480
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: didn't work work and they got set up on a

481
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: on a date. Yeah, and then they had a great

482
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: first date and moved relatively quickly after that. And then

483
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: when did they divorce. Well, they got separated I think

484
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety and then and that was like the

485
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: real thing. The divorce came several years later and was

486
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: almost I think I even was like, can you guys

487
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: get divorced? You're not like tricking us, Like you're separated,

488
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: you're not living together. You know. So, how how old

489
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: were you guys when when they actually separated? I was

490
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: I think ten at least when I when I first

491
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: got the then news when they like status down, Hey,

492
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Speaker 1: I was hot sex you guys, I even do you

493
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: guys remember that? Yeah? Yeah, I also was. It was

494
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: like there was one kid in my school who was

495
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: a close friend of mine whose parents were divorced by

496
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,239
Speaker 1: the time I finished high school. I was like, your

497
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: parents are still together? Yeah I know, yeah, like I

498
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: they're just so. But but at the time it wasn't

499
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: like yeah it was. It was. It was very surprising

500
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: and painful and I and I also just I remember

501
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: like when I first learned about divorce from like my

502
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: my friend, when I was being explained why his dad

503
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: lived somewhere else and all that stuff, I was like,

504
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: you guys aren't going to get divorced, right, you promise

505
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: and they're like yeah, and so I remember, like, you know,

506
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: like you promise as they're like, oh, we really should

507
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: get divorced, but we did promise. Well, to give them credit,

508
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: they did. The only reason I remember it is because

509
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Jason understand what was happening. But they

510
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: were very good about saying that this changes nothing for

511
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: you guys, and we this has no reflection on you.

512
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: And I remember being like, so, what's it's the big deal?

513
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: It sounds like you know, also because Dad, it wasn't

514
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: like we had a traditional setup where he had a

515
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: job every day nine to five and would come home.

516
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: He would sometimes have to travel for months at a time,

517
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, to do a movie or something. So the

518
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 1: idea of him not spending the night, and also, you know,

519
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: I was always asleep before they were going to bed anyway,

520
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: so it was just like he just won't be here

521
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: at night. And what they did end up doing is that,

522
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, he still spent a ton of time with

523
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: us over at the house. But I remember seeing Jason's

524
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: reaction and being like, oh, this is like this is

525
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: a big deal and I just hadn't seen that. Wow, Okay,

526
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: that's interesting. So you're sort of going off of your brother,

527
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: your older brother in a way because you're six and

528
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: you're sort of like, what the I don't what's going happened?

529
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: Then you're looking at someone who you love and you

530
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: look up to and you're like, oh, whoa wait a minute,

531
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: this is real shit, shit happening right now. Exactly why

532
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: is my older brother bor in gasoline all over the house?

533
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, Jameson, I'm getting a whole new insight

534
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: on why you were so shy as a kid. You

535
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: were just like totally like scheming inside of your head

536
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: all kinds of dark shits. No, I there, you know

537
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: it was It wasn't. I do remember like my reaction

538
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: was a little early, like what they think. What they

539
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: said was like we're having some troubles in our marriage,

540
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: but it was still like they were going to work

541
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: on it at that point. It wasn't like where we

542
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: thought about it and we're it was just like there's

543
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: some stuff going on and and uh but yeah, but

544
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: did you know it all? I mean like as a

545
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: ten year old or eleven year old, you know, even

546
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: leading up to that, maybe years before, did you notice

547
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: that things weren't as great or I did not. I

548
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: mean that was like I think one of the things

549
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: is I was just like, wait, you know, like I

550
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: mean also I think partly like Tier was saying, you know,

551
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: he would he would come home. He was so much fun.

552
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: So like I didn't I didn't notice any like fights

553
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: there weren't, you know, like it wasn't. It sounds like

554
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: it sounds like your parents really did early on, like

555
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: a very wonderful right thing to do in a divorce

556
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: and in a separation for sure. Okay, so what about

557
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: the art. I mean, Tyler, you're an actor, yeah, Jason actor, Yeah,

558
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: your sister musician, but also like a wonderful She did

559
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: a play with me in in high school and Crossroads,

560
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: and she was so good, but she really tore herself

561
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: apart after every performance, and I was like, but you

562
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: you and she was she like is truly also like

563
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: she can be very shy, she can also be like

564
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: wild and fun and great and and so I think

565
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: it was it was super intense. But she she always

566
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: also loved playing piano and music, and and in recent

567
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: years she's moved way over to the music side and

568
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: she's I mean, I I highly recommend her album that

569
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: you can get Yeah, it's it's like it's just so beautiful.

570
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: We're all three of you really tight growing up or

571
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: was there sort of was there tensions at all? I

572
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: mean I would say we were pretty tight. I think,

573
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: like I also kind of maybe like after the divorce,

574
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: I kind of like I had my family life and

575
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: I always loved everyone, but then I had like I

576
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: really escaped to my friends and to just like an

577
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: outside world. And I don't know, I have like a

578
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: like a lingering guilt that maybe I was absent during

579
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: periods of time, Like I remember kind of coming back

580
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: to Carly and Tyler a year, like you know, years later,

581
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: I mean, like, hey, sous, how did you guys make

582
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: it through this? Like I was so sort of consumed

583
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: with my own like process of dealing with my anger

584
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: and my herd and things like that that like, and

585
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: I tried to kind of I think what I was

586
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: really trying to do is be a certain type of

587
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: role model for them, So I didn't want to like

588
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: give them the real stuff. And then later I was like, hey, uh,

589
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: here's here's some of the things, right, like decompartmentalize my

590
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: life just be like this is who I am, and

591
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: it was never like I I don't know. I mean

592
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: I I would be yeah, yeah, yeah, I felt like yeah, yeah,

593
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: were you were you did you look up to your

594
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: brother for direction? You know? Absolutely yeah? Let you down

595
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah yeah, no, I I never would have

596
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: guessed that you felt guilt for being absent or anything

597
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: like that to the contract. I feel like, for the

598
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: first you know, seven to nine years of my life,

599
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 1: I was just like the weirdest world. I would quit

600
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: every game before losing, Like we would have a board

601
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: game going, and right before I lost, I'd be like, yeah,

602
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's getting kind of late, and I'm the

603
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: youngest one here, so I should probably and I just

604
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: remember Jason, like you can't quit just getting so upset,

605
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: so literally, it wouldn't even be like you were about

606
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: to lose. It would be like it would be like

607
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: you would be ahead for most of the game and

608
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: then like my character would get like one square hund

609
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 1: of yours. You'd be like, I don't know about this game.

610
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 1: You could still win, you can still totally. I feel

611
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: like you guys were playing candy Land. It's just a

612
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: lot of candy Land, a lot of Sorry, let's get

613
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: one of those bad shoots and being like that's this

614
00:38:53,239 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: is nice, but wey, But Tyler, did you ever feel, though, Tyler,

615
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: that that you know, your brother was not paying attention

616
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: to you or sort of giving you attention, giving you

617
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: the attention that you felt like you needed. I never,

618
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: not in any way other than like I knew that

619
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: I could be the annoying little brother and like bust

620
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: in the room and like you know, scream or burp

621
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: or something and they'd be like, dude, get out of here.

622
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: They're like all right, that was fun. That was my

623
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: whole activity that I planned for hours and then I

624
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: would just laugh or I remember there was one story

625
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: where because Jason and I would wrestle a lot, and

626
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: I think it was it was a tactic of our

627
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: dads that he took a lot of flak for. But

628
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: when we would start to get into it, you know,

629
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: an argument or something, he would have us sort of

630
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: fight it out and he would say, fight until somebody

631
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: gets hurt. But it wasn't punching or it was more wrestling. Yeah,

632
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: and all that he when he was saying fight you

633
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: can fight until someone gets hurt. The purpose was not

634
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: to hurt someone. This thing was like if someone gets hurt,

635
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: you have to stop right away. So we would try

636
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: to like get out our frustrations and stuff, but not

637
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: actually like hurt the other person, because as soon as

638
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: someone got a little bit hurt, we had to like

639
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: that's a really great tactic because you're sort of like

640
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's taking away the instinct to

641
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: want to hurt them because you're actually excited about rest. Yes, yeah, exactly.

642
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: But there was one time I guess that we had

643
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: to stop, like in the middle of the fight because

644
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: your friend was coming over, and so you were like,

645
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: all right, we gotta we got to stop, and I

646
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: just I guess I still had that pentemology because one

647
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: of the other reasons that I didn't want to hurt

648
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: Tyler is because Tyler had like a hulk mode like

649
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: a and I could see it happen and if he

650
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: got hurt, like if I was, you know, because he

651
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: would do punching and kicking, and I would do a

652
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: lot of blocks, and I would do more like throws

653
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: and like maneuvering, and every once in a while I

654
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: would throw them into a wall or something like I'm

655
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: miscalculated and you go. And he cried for maybe two

656
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 1: minutes and then he just start going and like start

657
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: turning red and I'd be like, oh my god. And

658
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: then he just come at me with all the power,

659
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: like the kind of like mom lifting up a car,

660
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: like off the in like this superhuman power. And so

661
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: the thing that you were remembering with my friend is

662
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: I that had happened. My friend Alex was coming over.

663
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: That had happened. You started like, you know, like building

664
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: up the like turning red and building up the thing.

665
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, and I closed the door

666
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: my friend. I was like, I really have to go.

667
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: My friend is here. And then and you just came

668
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: and he was like, hey, what do you what do

669
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: you want to do? And you came into the room

670
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: fully read full full home mode anger and just hunched

671
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: him right in the crotch, him, not me, And he

672
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: was just like, oh hey, Tyler laughed and he was

673
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: just like, why did he do that? Was? That was

674
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: my fault. I started something that I couldn't finish. I

675
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: knew how to hurt you. I knew by hurting him

676
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: it would hurt you. Right. Where is Carly in all

677
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: of this? Carly? She just like Carley was not in

678
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: the wrestling that much. She just like her bedroom with

679
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: a door locked. Oh no, she could like get in

680
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: there and she would do some reffing and stuff like that.

681
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: Tyler and I knew how to kind of push each

682
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: other's buttons to the point where we were like, all right,

683
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: let's we gotta we gotta go settle this, whereas Carl

684
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: is like she's always been like a peacemaker. So I

685
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: think when it was like she would get into some

686
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: pillow fights with us, I think I remember like getting

687
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: into some pretty extreme pillow fights. Not like fun like

688
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: feathers and everywhere, but like when you when you you

689
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: you swing the pillow around until the pillow becomes compacted

690
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: into one end, like swinging chain mays you really like

691
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: not someone off their Yeah, it's like, I know you

692
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: have a bloody nose, Jason. I only really know you,

693
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: and from my memory of you in high school, you

694
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: were quite shocked. And and was that sort of the

695
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: way that your personality type was at home or was

696
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: that just something that sort of was out in the world.

697
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: It was it was strange. I felt like sometimes I

698
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: felt like I didn't know who I truly was, because

699
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: with my friends, I was like wild and crazy and

700
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: would do anything. And at home I was more adventurous

701
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: and let's climb something, and let's do something, you know,

702
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: let's like and then I just I don't know if

703
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: it was like social anxiety or whatever, or I just

704
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: I And I think also maybe some some of like

705
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: the separation happening, like right as I was becoming a

706
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: teenager and right as I was becoming sort of self aware,

707
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: and then I was like, well, nothing's real then, right,

708
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: who knows what's up? Like you still hey, your parents

709
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: still married, enjoy living in your fantasy world. Get ready

710
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: for a wake up call one day. But I yeah,

711
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: I think I I think I did like retreat a

712
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: little bit, uh into myself and and but yeah, but

713
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: I remember like watching Tyler with his group of friends

714
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: in high school and feeling like, oh wow, he's having

715
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: a totally different experience than than I did. So were

716
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: you more were you more outgoing? Tyler? Well, I never

717
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: saw Jason as being shy, so that that is also

718
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: sort of a news. You know, I knew there was

719
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: like I knew he went through sort of the nirvana.

720
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: It was sort of a nervana. I mean, it was

721
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: a huge nirvana face. It was a huge old school

722
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: was it a Nirvana phase? But some took it more

723
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: seriously than others. That was for sure me At one point,

724
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: like I was like, well, here's what I'm gonna do.

725
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make an oath to myself to only wear

726
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: Nirvana shirts for my whole life every day deep and

727
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: I did. I like cycled through them until they were

728
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: like I still have a couple that are now like Spiderweb.

729
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: Then they're insane awesome. Wow, So you just connected with

730
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: that whole that whole concept, that whole concept I had

731
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: never it was like the music I loved, but I

732
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: also like loved him as a every interview I read,

733
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: I was like, who is this guy? He's like a

734
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: rock star, but he's like, Oh, I'm just like I

735
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: don't know, he's like like sensitive kind of yeah, exactly.

736
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: He kind of was turned off by a lot of

737
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: the bands that I also secretly thought were gross that

738
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: people are trying to get me into it camp, and

739
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I kind of don't like them. They

740
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: seem like bad people. I love the his his vision

741
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: of the world, and I wish we had continued to

742
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: be able to see how he could like through his

743
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: eyes as he matured and got older, and and I like,

744
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I miss him. I feel like he

745
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: was a friend that I you know, I mean I

746
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: read every possible thing. I know. It's so crazy because

747
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: we were the generation of like the kids in high

748
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: school with Nirvana, you know, yeah, you know you because

749
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean if you think about like what kind of

750
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: impact or like what what what generation of music are you?

751
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: Is that really the generation where you're like growing into

752
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: yourself for sure? And we were Nirvana and all the nineties,

753
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: whether it be like grunge rock or hip hop. You know,

754
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: that was why. Yeah, I went the other way. I

755
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: mean I was wearing size forty to your bows, like

756
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: huge jeans and hill figure sweatshirts and dance crews. And

757
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: I also like in college at this time. Yeah yeah,

758
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: I mean you guys are younger than I was. But yeah,

759
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: I don't I don't mean to go backwards here, but

760
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: but I don't know if we talked about this, why

761
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: did it? Maybe I'm tripping, but why did you go

762
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: so introvert? I think I think I I think I

763
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: got embarrassed at how unself aware I was. I think

764
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: I was I had such a like happy childhood, and

765
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, and I always had

766
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: like so much enthusiasm, and then it was I just

767
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh, oh my god, I'm so sorry. I

768
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: didn't realize that, like it was this weird thing where

769
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: I just I felt so unsure of myself. And so

770
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: I also like there was a thing in the ninety

771
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: kind of talking about it earlier, but this thing in

772
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: the nineties about like being real, like like if someone

773
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: called you a poser, that was like, so you just

774
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: had to like you just had to do nothing. You

775
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: just had to be like just do just try nothing,

776
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: just do absolutely nothing. That was the only safe way

777
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: to be cool. Being kind of there was so there

778
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: was some of my shyness that came from me and

779
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: my uncertainty about the world, and then there was some

780
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: shinness that was just like just so terrified of my peers.

781
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: And I remember there was like a moment where I

782
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: was in carpool and hey, Jude came on the radio

783
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: and there's that line where Paul McCartney says, well, we

784
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: know that for well, we know that it's the fool

785
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: plays it cool and makes the world a little colder.

786
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, it sucks. I hate it.

787
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: Just like be passionate, be excited about stuff. If someone

788
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: is like you're not cool, then there that's boring. Like

789
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. It like kind of opened my whole

790
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: thing up a little bit where I then I swung

791
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: the other way and I was like, I'm crazy, y'all

792
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: do any I'm goin to find like a middle ground,

793
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: but I'm still trying to figure it out and I'm

794
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: still trying to But that was that was how I

795
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: That was part of why I went so deep into

796
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: like shyness, and it was just like, uh, you know,

797
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: aren't these transitions though, so fucking funny when you look back.

798
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: I remember when I was. I remember my transition as well,

799
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: from eighth grade to ninth grade. When I was wearing

800
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: a Rabbit Kings fan, painting my face at school, wearing

801
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: the same bomber leather jacket in sweatpants. I was a

802
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: fucking like I didn't give a shit about what people

803
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: thought about me. That's a beautiful it was. But then

804
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: from eighth to ninth grade something happened. You look at

805
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 1: my school pictures, my eighth grade school picture, I'm like, ah,

806
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 1: like smiley with a bowl cut. My ninth grade school picture,

807
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a mustard shirt. I have this flop over

808
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: haircut that's like hiding one of my eyes. And I

809
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: remember I told my parents I want all mustard and

810
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: plumb clothes and I wanted to be silk, and they're like,

811
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: what the fuck why. I'm like, don't worry about why.

812
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: I want mustard and plumb. That's just what I want.

813
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: And and a fan of Clue, the board game, you

814
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: got that's so funny, you said my ninth grade picture.

815
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: My friend and my close friend at the time was like, hey, man,

816
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: don't smile. And I was like, oh, you see like

817
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 1: all my pictures And then I'd dude, that's I look

818
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: like the world has just crushed me. And I couldn't

819
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: be I couldn't have been more privileged. And I'm like,

820
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 1: oh god, Tyler, what were you like in high school?

821
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: I I don't think I came off super shy. I

822
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: think everybody is probably more self conscious than they sometimes

823
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: a year to be like. I remember all of the

824
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: lonely walks in the alley of being like nobody likes me,

825
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: but I the truth is I had the alleys were

826
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: our school with the truth is I always had a

827
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: really solid group of friends who I'm still really close with,

828
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: who I always felt had my back, and we were

829
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: just a really good class at Crossroads. I feel like

830
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: sometimes a year can take on a personality like your

831
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: whole school year at a school that's small, and I

832
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: feel like we were just like we took care of

833
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: each other and it was a generally pretty healthy year.

834
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: We felt like we had built something. And it might

835
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: have even stemmed from our eighth grade graduation where we

836
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: were told that you guys are the first year to

837
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: come this far without any expulsions or like any serious suspensions.

838
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: You should be really proudb all ever got expelled? Didn't

839
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: someone else get expelled? To people? Scott Scott con Yeah,

840
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: Scotty con Scott earlier earlier, he left earlier, but he

841
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: got like a reoccurring character on this podcast. By the

842
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: time I was there, you and Scott were both like legendary.

843
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: I think I asked you about what I have heard

844
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: you got expelled for, like you know, but you were like,

845
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: that's not but it's pretty amazing to behind a legacy,

846
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: and like, do you know scot stabbed a kid? I

847
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: got I got caught cheating on a chemistry test and

848
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: they fucking booted me. Oh my god. But Scotty left.

849
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: Scotty left earlier in like tenth grade or something, went

850
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: to Bevere. All the girls loved him, so that was

851
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: sort of like, you know, he was that guy. And

852
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: then they used to do all these like house dancing.

853
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: I remember, like it was really in to do to dance,

854
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: like to have it was ol housing. Yeah, housing, and

855
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: I remember seeing like Scottie and Alie housing to like

856
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:14,479
Speaker 1: a song. I would give anything to have videos house.

857
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: You know. It's so cool though, is like our children

858
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: will have these videos of them being fucking idiots, you know,

859
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: because we will be filming them. You know. I wish

860
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: I wish that I could see video of me. I

861
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: remember Kurt saying to me, you know, and I was

862
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: going out to like some underage club like Ballistics, and

863
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: he was like, he goes, you guys look like fools,

864
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: and we're like, what are you talking? I was like,

865
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: what are you talking about, Paul, what are you talking?

866
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: He goes, You're gonna look back at pictures of yourself

867
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: and you'll get it. You'll get it. You're gonna be

868
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: like where we look like idiots and I'm like whatever,

869
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: and of course we do and we're like I cannot

870
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: even believe we left the house looking like this. There

871
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: was a time this reminds me. I don't know if

872
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: you remember this, and maybe it was just too subtle,

873
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: but there was a time where I wanted to We

874
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: went as a family to Fromans. Yeah, but and I

875
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: decided to in the bathroom take my pants off and

876
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: turn them backwards and pull them back up because I

877
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: was a yeah. And so I remember walking back to

878
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: the table and kind of like just like go with it.

879
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: Just don't be like you trying to be. I don't

880
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: know why I decided in the bathroom of Fromans. It

881
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: wasn't like the whole day I had. I was like

882
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: in the bathroom and I was like, you're like the

883
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: Jewish delis into a stall and check the try out

884
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: and maybe all like walk out and people be like

885
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: like you like order a blint. You're like ordering a

886
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: blint and some brisket with your Like, I know it

887
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: looks strange, but my knapkin is going on the buck.

888
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: It's so funny, Like can I have what I'm doing?

889
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: Filt the fish and found a lock. Yeah, so you

890
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: make that, make that a half kind of months of balls.

891
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: I could do what we could do a schedule. What

892
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: about you guys, your relationship actually through high school you

893
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: weren't together, right, I mean, was there a split? You

894
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like you guys were homies, right,

895
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: like in the beginning you were, there was a there

896
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: was a strong bond. I mean yeah, I think we were.

897
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: We were always homies, but yeah, there was Like I

898
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: graduated before Tyler got into ninth grade. I think that's

899
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: how that. So I was I was more in school

900
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: with Carly, and Carly went to high school with both

901
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: of us basically. But but you, But Tyler was in

902
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: the middle school when I was there, right, I guess

903
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: I was in the year seventh grade when you and

904
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: were you? Were you cool? Were you the cool older

905
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: brother who would include the younger brother? Or were you like,

906
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: let me just separate these two worlds. You know, I

907
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: think would you venture over to the middle school that

908
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: was three steps away? I don't think you did. I mean, yeah, no,

909
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: I know you did for Carly. I know you really

910
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: were like a protective force for Carly in high school

911
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: and really stepped up the Big Bro game. But I don't.

912
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. In middle school, I know you did

913
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: perform at our our senior day, like our senior what

914
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: is senior night or whatever? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's like

915
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: the night that everybody you're like graduating high school. Everybody's

916
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: drinking and you know, maybe some other things, and the

917
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: last thing you expect is for the bus to pull

918
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: up and your entire family to be there waiting for you,

919
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: Jason and mom and dad and Jason. You performed like

920
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: this edible sketch comedy. It was like with Eric Edelstein,

921
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: and I think you remember that. I j that, but

922
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: I remember I was just having like a three hour

923
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: panic attack that whole night. But then it was like

924
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: everybody thought it was the coolest thing in the world.

925
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: And then you know, everyone's like, your brother's the funniest

926
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: guy ever and so cool. Yeah, but I don't. In

927
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: middle school, I think that's just too big of an

928
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: age difference. Yeah, it's just like not a whole lot too.

929
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: But at home, we would, like, you know, we played

930
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: a lot of video games together. We would go outside,

931
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: we would we would play around, and then it was

932
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: sort of like when we had our friends over. It

933
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: was kind of like now it's friend. Yeah, when did

934
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: you start to engage in the performing arts? Jason? And

935
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: then Tyler? What made you want to get into it

936
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: as well? Jay? You want to start for hers? Sure? Yeah,

937
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: I I so I really wanted to do when I

938
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: was like a little kid. And then and I turned

939
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: that corner and got super shy, grew my hair out.

940
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: I was like, nobody look at me. I'll just play bass,

941
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: and like I'll just go and join the jazz band

942
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: and I'll do music and I'll just be in the corner.

943
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: And then it was actually like Devita Will's Herwin. She

944
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: asked me to audition for like the fundraisers for Crossroads,

945
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: and I forgot to and she gave me a tiny,

946
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: tiny little part anyway, because I had worked when I

947
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: was seven, I did an upper school production of Pippin

948
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: when I was like in the elementary school, and she

949
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: remembered me from there and she's like, hey, you should

950
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: you know come and join And from that little fundraiser

951
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: I remembered like how much fun I had doing it

952
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: and how much I actually loved it, And from that

953
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: point on, I just was like, Okay, I think I

954
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: want to do this, So, Ty, how did you sort

955
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: of well, I guess how it started for me was

956
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: in tenth grade when everybody started getting their driver's license.

957
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: Jackass came out and that became like our religion. And

958
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: so the you know the warning at the beginning of

959
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: the show where they're like, please don't try, these are professionals.

960
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: I felt like that was for us. We did all

961
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: of that stuff, and we had just like I didn't

962
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: have a cell phone, I don't think until I was

963
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: maybe seventeen, but a couple of my friends had, you know,

964
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: they could bring out like their big camera, and so

965
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: we would film all this stuff and then just watch

966
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: it like amongst ourselves and laugh. But I think as

967
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: a result of that, one of my friends thought it

968
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: would be funny to prank me and sign me up,

969
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: sort of like how Devita recommended you for the play.

970
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: This friend of mine, Clay in high school, who was

971
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: new to Crossroads that year, just thought it would be

972
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: funny to write my name in for an ideal husband.

973
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: And the director came and saw she was like, hey,

974
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: I you know, she knew I played baseball for Crossroads,

975
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: and she was like, you know, I know you're busy

976
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: with baseball, but I'm so excited that you're, you know,

977
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: embracing the theater and that you want to be a

978
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: part of this play. And I was just like, yeah, okay,

979
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I didn't find out that he

980
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: had done it until we were deep in rehearsals, and

981
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: I was just going along, like I don't know if

982
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: she just did some reverse psychology on me. But so

983
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: much fun doing that play, and it stuck with me.

984
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: But still this was always Jason and Dad and Text

985
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: and Mom, and you know, it was their sort of territory,

986
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: and it just felt like it would be sort of

987
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: an oversaturation if I were to go in and and

988
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess my rebellious. I wouldn't say

989
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: it was rebellious, but I just I was just sort

990
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: of floating around, bouncing off of different ideas, and I

991
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: always had friends who were involved. So my roommate for

992
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: three years in college was in film, was studying film

993
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: the whole time, so we made a bunch of student

994
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: films and I was always, you know, in those, but

995
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: it was just sort of a fun side hobby. And

996
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: then it wasn't until I moved to Argentina after college,

997
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: where I met my wife and she acted in musical theater,

998
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: and she convinced me to get an agent to do

999
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: commercial work. I was teaching by the time I did this.

1000
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: I was teaching at a middle school, but it was

1001
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: only about half of the day and she was like,

1002
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, she had been going out for commercials while

1003
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: she was on break in Argentina. In Argentina, she was like,

1004
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: I think you work as an actor in Argentina. And

1005
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: I would go an audition in Spanish, and at the

1006
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: time my Spanish was horrible, and I would just come

1007
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: out with these ridiculously self deprecating stories and that became

1008
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: like part of my socializing in Argentina. People would be like,

1009
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: what did you do yesterday? And I was like, so,

1010
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 1: I guess I accidentally wrote down that I could break

1011
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: dance and I had to break dance and sing in Spanish,

1012
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: two things I could not do, but I did. I

1013
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: booked a couples. I started like working and getting good

1014
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: feedback and and uh, yeah, Jason did have a role,

1015
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: I think when I decided to So, I was in

1016
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: Argentina for three years and I decided to move back

1017
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: to la and to you know, go full force in

1018
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: the acting world. And Jason, I don't know if you remember,

1019
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: but we had a really long, kind of serious talk

1020
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: about it, and you were just one hundred percent supportive

1021
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: and one hundred percent sure that it was you know,

1022
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: that it was going to work out, that it's a

1023
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: hard road and it's not easy, but that you like

1024
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: thought that I had what it took and that it

1025
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: was the right path. I mean, it was like everything

1026
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: you could want to hear from your older brother who's

1027
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: a role model, and that's awesome. Just you know, I've

1028
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: always looked up to you as a brother, but as

1029
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: an actor. It was it was everything I needed to

1030
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: hear and our and our sister Carly was a huge

1031
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: factor in that as well, because before I moved back

1032
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,439
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles to do it, she she had been

1033
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: doing some Marie Condo at our mom's house. This is

1034
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: before Marie Condo was around, but she was doing my

1035
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: just spring cleaning at the house and I remember we

1036
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: were talking and she was like, you know, I came

1037
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: across this letter that was a letter that I had

1038
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: written to my future self, and she was like, and

1039
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: it said don't open like this is for when you're

1040
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, like in your forties or whatever. And she

1041
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: was like, so of course I opened it and I

1042
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: read it, and I just couldn't believe. She started telling

1043
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: me all these things I had written when I was

1044
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: like in ninth grade or whatever. She was like, you

1045
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: started talking about how if baseball didn't work out, that

1046
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: you wanted to be an actor. And she was like,

1047
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: I never knew that about you. And I remember her

1048
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: telling me that and being like, oh my god, I did.

1049
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: That is a part of me. And that was maybe

1050
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: before I started feeling like there maybe wasn't room or

1051
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: that it wasn't my path, and so I remember that

1052
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: being a little green light. I feel like maybe I

1053
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: subconsciously just needed some green lights. Well, when you said

1054
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: there wasn't any room or you felt like there wasn't

1055
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: any room, Like, what is that feeling? You know what

1056
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: I mean? Because that's that's not really a rational thought.

1057
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: It's more of an insecurity. It's definitely an insecurity. But

1058
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: Jason had been acting since, you know, he did his

1059
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: first play at Crossroads when he was in first grade.

1060
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: You know, like it was just always in his bones,

1061
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: and he was always so great and worked so hard

1062
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: and went to school for it, and and I just

1063
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: that was like, in my mind, that's what you had

1064
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: to do to be a working actor. And so it

1065
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: was just like, well that ship sailed, and then you know,

1066
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: and then you sort of start to hear that, you know,

1067
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: I think I was twenty I was twenty five when

1068
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: I moved back, and I just had my mindset. I

1069
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just going to get into a couple

1070
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: of different studios and just go every day and just

1071
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: see if I can catch up. And you know, did

1072
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: you ever feel that? Do you ever feel the pressure?

1073
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: And I'm okay, it's gonna roll your eyes because I

1074
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: always talk about this shit when we deal with two actors,

1075
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, one who is perceivably more successful than the other,

1076
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: because essentially I'm a successful actor. But when you compare

1077
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: myself to my family, you know, that's just the reality

1078
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: of it. Right. Is there anything in you that is

1079
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: sort of you know, Oliver's the least successful actor in

1080
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: the family, Right, That's a better way of it is

1081
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: there is there a part of you that feels black,

1082
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: sheep ish, or that needs to like sort of do

1083
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: something to prove yourself, even though it may not be rational.

1084
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: And you know that it's coming from a you know,

1085
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: not the greatest place. But is that is that ever

1086
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: a part of your feeling? I imagine it's deep in there.

1087
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: But I also I am so lucky that I have

1088
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: a hard time letting those thoughts override anything else. M hm,

1089
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: just in the sense of like, and it's even true

1090
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 1: in grade school, like the number of times I got

1091
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: into a class and it was like, oh my gosh,

1092
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: you're Jason, Carly's younger brother, and I would see that

1093
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: reaction and be like, this is going to be a

1094
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: nice year for me. But anyways, going back to it, Tyler, like,

1095
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: so you know, you felt lucky to have your older siblings,

1096
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: but but no feelings of sort of that I you know,

1097
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: I want to I want to become something, I want

1098
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: to be what they are, or you know what I mean,

1099
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: like any of that. Yeah, you know, I think as

1100
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: far as like fame goes that, I think we saw

1101
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: our as we talked about at the very beginning, we

1102
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: saw our dad sort of trying to duck out of

1103
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: that for so much of our lives that it came

1104
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: in in itself never really called to me in that way.

1105
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it freaks me out more than anything. The

1106
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: idea of like not having any privacies, so that doesn't

1107
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: necessarily call to me being successful obviously does, and wanting

1108
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: to be working, and like the number of conversations you

1109
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:49,959
Speaker 1: have where it's like, so what are you doing now?

1110
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: And you just have nothing and it's a horrible feeling.

1111
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: And I remember like when I had I was expecting

1112
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: my son, I was having my first child, and I

1113
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: didn't have a job lined up, and I was like,

1114
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: this for me, isn't like it's such a huge integral

1115
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: part to being a dad. I feel like I have

1116
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: to have something. And I remember talking to our mom

1117
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: about it, and she was like, you know, there are

1118
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: a lot of those things that you have wrapped up

1119
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: in your head that are not true. You know, you

1120
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: don't have to have a job lined up to be

1121
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: a good dad, and you know, at that point, I

1122
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: was like spiraling a little bit. And I remember being like,

1123
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: I can't fix anything either in the kitchen. She was like,

1124
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: you think your dad can fix a toilet, You can't

1125
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: do jack squat, you know, yeah, but I definitely have

1126
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: I think I just, you know, the fear would be

1127
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: to not be working. But I don't. I don't truly

1128
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: find myself, you know, I don't find myself measuring myself

1129
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: up against Jason right, or Dad or anything, all the

1130
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: while knowing that, if anything, it's helped me get as

1131
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: far as I am. So there's always a sense of gratitude.

1132
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: But I also got a show pretty early on. I

1133
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,439
Speaker 1: remember hearing from a couple of producers when I first

1134
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: got to LA They were like, you're not going to

1135
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: work for five years, just be prepared. I actually, I

1136
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: think I was one of the fees and I was like, listen, bro,

1137
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm so into this. I'm so excited for you. I

1138
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: just want to warn you. There's a lot of rejection.

1139
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of pain. You've seen me struggle through

1140
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: these things. And then he's like, oh, I got a pilot.

1141
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: I was like, look, they don't always get picked up.

1142
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: It's like I got picked up, Well, you get recast.

1143
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, and I think, you know,

1144
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 1: I think there's also an element I've talked to like

1145
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of people, there's there's there's there's so many

1146
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: different things that come that, like irrational spears. There's also

1147
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: I think I think when Tyler and I were having

1148
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,520
Speaker 1: that original conversation. One of the things that I was

1149
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: thinking was like, if if he were to just like

1150
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: zoom ahead of me, like how like I just want

1151
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 1: him to know that. I would be so excited about

1152
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: that and comfortable with that, and not that that's how

1153
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,839
Speaker 1: I look at it, like ahead or but but whatever,

1154
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: Like sometimes that can be a challenging thing too, where like,

1155
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,839
Speaker 1: you know, I know people who are artists, musicians, actors

1156
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: who have become more successful than their parents were, and

1157
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: it's it's complicated for them, like it's and uh, and

1158
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: so I think it's like to just be like, you know,

1159
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: we all have our own journeys, and it is weird

1160
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: when there's like a similar journey or a relative father

1161
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: or a brother, you know. And like I remember going

1162
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: into rooms like you know, for sitcoms especially, and then

1163
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: be like, before you start, I just want to tell

1164
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: you your dad would open his mouth and we would

1165
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:57,480
Speaker 1: all be rolling on the like, oh, well, first of all,

1166
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: who cleaned it up? They are like on action? Yeah,

1167
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, And I'd be like, I'm not gonna measure up,

1168
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna meadure up. So so you know, it's like,

1169
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's that it's a strange thing to have

1170
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: to deal with. But I but I think the more

1171
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: that you can just like and I think that the

1172
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: conversation that Tyler and I had at that time was

1173
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: just like the sooner you can like let that stuff go,

1174
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: like the better because I I tanked. Only recently have

1175
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: I started being able to like work in some comedy

1176
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: stuff because I just tanked all those auditions because my

1177
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: hands would start shaking and I wouldn't be able to

1178
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: be like free. I just would be like, here's my

1179
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: wild character, just like humiliate myself and then leave. And

1180
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: imagine that that casting director for years is like, remember

1181
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: how sad that was when that guy came in, and

1182
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: how embarrassing for him and how much shame he brought

1183
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 1: to his family. None of us pooped our pants, not

1184
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: one of us. Yeah, so funny, dude, true stupid ship

1185
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: that you put in your mind. Well, it's also, you know,

1186
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: it must be really interesting. I'm looking at your guys' faces,

1187
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: and Jason, you know, you you would think that you

1188
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: look so much like your dad, but then you see Tyler,

1189
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: and Tyler actually looks like a lot like your dad,

1190
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, so it must be interesting for like any

1191
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: casting director when they've kind of been in here, you're

1192
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: saying cash like you've been in there, They're like, oh god,

1193
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: he looks so much like it's probably been all of

1194
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: a sudden, like five years later comes you know, the

1195
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: younger brother, and they're like, oh my god. Yeah. I

1196
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: did have that experience, uh in one of my very

1197
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: first auditions. And I've heard a lot of Jason's story,

1198
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 1: so I and he embraced me a little bit that

1199
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: that can be startling or they can throw you off

1200
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: your game a little bit. But I remember specifically walking

1201
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: into one room and she was like okay, and oh

1202
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: my gosh, oh I thought, I'm sorry. I thought your

1203
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: dad just walked in the room. Oh my god. And

1204
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, I can believe or how

1205
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: do we remedy this? And of course, yeah, are your

1206
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: comedy you know? So I have heard that a good amount. Yeah.

1207
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: The other the other thing that can be intense is

1208
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: like that's sound like you know with his passing people,

1209
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: you know, that shared tragedy thing that we were talking

1210
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 1: about before you know, you move on. You have this

1211
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: hole in your heart and you move on and you're

1212
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 1: having an okay time in your life and you're not

1213
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: necessarily thinking about it. And then sometimes you go and

1214
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: do a cast when they're just like grab your arm

1215
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 1: and their eyes well up and and you're like, oh

1216
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: my god, I just right now, right now we're doing this,

1217
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: Are you okay? Can I I'll hug you? Oh yeah?

1218
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting? You're like, this is my my dad

1219
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, let me help you mourn him.

1220
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: How do you guys deal with that? Though? You know,

1221
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: because it's so true, there are moments, I mean, it

1222
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: probably continues on to this day where it's just that

1223
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: it's so fucking constant, you know, and you have to

1224
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: be cordial, I guess, or is it ever just like

1225
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 1: you guys were good, We're good. I kind of want

1226
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: to rewind to this because you guys were so young,

1227
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: Like so you're twenty three, your career is just starting, Jason,

1228
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: and you're just graduating high school and your dad, I mean,

1229
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 1: it was sudden. Could you, with as much as you

1230
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: feel comfortable, sort of take us through what that was

1231
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: like for you guys, and then maybe even pairing it

1232
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: with sort of the theme of this show. You know,

1233
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: it's like when your siblings, you, Carly and Tyler, the boys.

1234
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: It's like, how does how do you come together in

1235
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: that moment? As well? You know, well you had just

1236
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,799
Speaker 1: had a trip with him where he had just dropped

1237
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,919
Speaker 1: me off. He had just dropped me off to college

1238
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: for my freshman semester, and so we had spent that

1239
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: week exploring Philly and you know, going to games and

1240
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: just taking me around. And it was sort of this,

1241
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, I think one thing that probably we all

1242
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,759
Speaker 1: did in a certain respect. I mean I even remember,

1243
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: like the next day already starting to look for reason

1244
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: and meaning and and I think as you do, and

1245
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: whether it's sudden loss or over a period of time,

1246
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,879
Speaker 1: but I remember feeling like, you know, like I'm starting school,

1247
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: Jason is on this like incredible like a spiritual show.

1248
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: Carly's graduating school. Noah at the time was five, and

1249
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: that was there was just it was just full devastation.

1250
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: And I definitely put a lot of I think my

1251
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: own grief on worrying for him. But I do think

1252
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,839
Speaker 1: that there was a lot of like maybe the universe,

1253
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was his time, and and

1254
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 1: like trying to find some solace in like that. This

1255
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 1: is how it was supposed to be, and we had

1256
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: this incredible moment and then it was a send off,

1257
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, how And that lasts you for

1258
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: as long as you need it, and then you come

1259
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: to terms with you know, either you stick with that

1260
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 1: or you you know, you gradually sort of dig away

1261
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: at it and get to other truths and make peace

1262
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: with that as you may. But the one thing I

1263
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: will say before I let Jay go is I remember,

1264
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 1: like one of the feelings was I'll never feel like

1265
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: I'll never laugh again, like I'll never and not because

1266
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: he was such a sort of laughter, but just because

1267
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: the pain was so great. And I don't even really

1268
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 1: remember what you said, but I remember we had all

1269
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: gotten back to Los Angeles from our corners and you

1270
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 1: said some you made some joke about it, I mean

1271
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: about the situation and how fucked up it was, and

1272
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: we all it was like a hysterical laughter. And I

1273
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: remember in that moment being like, it's it's gonna be okay,

1274
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna get through this and we're gonna laugh. And

1275
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: I think in that moment also Jason like assume the

1276
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: role of you know, kind of the man of the family,

1277
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,839
Speaker 1: and and you know, I at least definitely started following

1278
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: that lead and tried to introduce humor where I could.

1279
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: I think I way overreached. Like I remember, I remember

1280
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: with my friends the first time all our friends came

1281
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: over to to sort of be together. I was just

1282
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: like trying to make everybody laugh, and I remember two

1283
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: people like breaking down and having to run out, being

1284
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 1: like wow, tough crowd, but like really trying to bury

1285
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: just because it hadn't worked when Jason did it for me,

1286
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: I thought maybe I could help other people out. Man.

1287
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah it was, Yeah, it was. It's weird because you

1288
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: like one of the first things that happens is you're like,

1289
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: what was the last thing? What was the last thing?

1290
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: I you know, and and then like for me, he

1291
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: had gotten back to that trip, like earlier in the

1292
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: week we had gone to see The Medallion, which was

1293
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: the movie with Jackie Chan and Claire for LAUNI I

1294
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 1: believe he went back, we went back home. He gave

1295
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: me like a little candle that I still have. And

1296
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,759
Speaker 1: then yeah, it was, it was. It was really sudden,

1297
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: and you know, I just got a call and my

1298
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: mom and I went to the hospital and then it

1299
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: all went down and we found out that he didn't

1300
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 1: make it, which seemed like impossible. It just seemed like,

1301
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,719
Speaker 1: what in the world, how did this happen? And then

1302
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: the worst part was then having to call Carly and

1303
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: Tyler and tell them, oh, so you are the one

1304
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: you told them. The way that it worked was my

1305
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: mom called, no, I called. I had to break the news,

1306
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: and then I passed the phone to my mom who

1307
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 1: was make travel arrangements for them to come back because

1308
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: they were both has just been dropped off at college

1309
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: by mom and dad. So yeah, and I mean, it's

1310
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 1: just like it's the worst news you could ever give

1311
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: to someone in the middle of then how do you

1312
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: even process something like that? I does something take over

1313
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: that is sort of unworldly in a sense, just a

1314
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: survival instinct. There are weird things that happen that feel

1315
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: otherworldly because it feels like you're, you know, like in

1316
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: the upside down and from stranger things or something. You're

1317
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: just like this, I do not recognize any of this,

1318
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 1: and everything seems offensive to you, like the sun going down.

1319
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, really, just keep on doing your life

1320
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: like rise and set other day like it's all normal.

1321
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:53,640
Speaker 1: But then like that whole month, the sunsets were like

1322
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: so beautiful. It was like I just was like making

1323
01:18:58,200 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: up my own things. I was like, oh, that's so cool.

1324
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 1: They like they let dad paint the sunsets this month.

1325
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's probably not how it works,

1326
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: but like you know, you like hold onto these things

1327
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 1: and then and then you look for you talk to

1328
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: other people. People have different ways of dealing with tragedy,

1329
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 1: and people give you advice and you're like that doesn't

1330
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: quite work for me, or this works, and the thing

1331
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: that really worked for me was or the first like

1332
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: rock that I kind of held onto is what Tyler

1333
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 1: was sort of talking about, this sort of perspective shifting

1334
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: idea for me of instead of what it felt like

1335
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: and what it is in a lot of ways, which

1336
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: was like reading your favorite book and then getting to

1337
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: a certain point in the last six chapters are ripped

1338
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: out and you're like what that and trying to sort

1339
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 1: of look at it as like this is the whole

1340
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: story now, this was this was the book. Actually there

1341
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: there's no use like trying to think about those chapters

1342
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 1: that we won't get to read. You now, like you

1343
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: have to find the beauty and the chapters that you have.

1344
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: And it was this quote that I that I heard

1345
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: around the time, which was a character guard quote. I

1346
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: think the most painful state of being is remembering the future,

1347
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,759
Speaker 1: particularly one you can never have. It was like, oh,

1348
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,839
Speaker 1: that's all I've been doing. I keep on remembering the future.

1349
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: I keep on going, oh, I remember that I was

1350
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: planning on doing this. I wanted to do this. I

1351
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: wanted you know, like and and it's it's sort of

1352
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: it's like this way of self torture, even though it

1353
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: feels like kind of nice because you're imagining those things

1354
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: you're a yeah, so like it was, I mean, it

1355
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 1: was just it was such chaos and and and like

1356
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: humor helps sometimes, but then you have to remember like

1357
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: where other people are in it and all this stuff.

1358
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: So I actually, earlier in this podcast, when you were saying, oh,

1359
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: for divorce, like you got to be like, oh, Dad's

1360
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: going away for two weeks. I want to be like

1361
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: that's what we did. Like I saw myself like wrongs

1362
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: like he's actually he's got well, he just got delayed.

1363
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: It's like Tyler and Tyler just he was all he

1364
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: was too soon with his own father, with his friends

1365
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 1: and all of his friends were like, Tyler, that's fucking offensive. Yeah, yeah,

1366
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: there's a line, man. Oh but what about the three

1367
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: of you coming together? I mean when you all first

1368
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 1: saw each other, was that would it feel good good

1369
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: in the sense that you could be together and you know,

1370
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 1: or you saw Carly before you saw us, Yeah, that

1371
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: that like is burned into my brain forever. Seeing her

1372
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: face was like confirmation of everything. It was like, yeah,

1373
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 1: it was a nightmare is real. And it's also Carly,

1374
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: who we both just love so deeply and who's so

1375
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 1: just so open and vulnerable and loving and trusting. And

1376
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: it was so so close with Dad as we all were,

1377
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: but you know, she had her own very just you know,

1378
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: connection to him that was unique, and so my heart

1379
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: like just shattered even more for her and recognizing that

1380
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: it was real. And then we were in the airport

1381
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: waiting for our plane and it was on the news

1382
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 1: playing above us, and it was just yeah. So there

1383
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,719
Speaker 1: was a lot of yeah, a lot of weird having

1384
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: to kind of dance around it, because, like Jason was saying,

1385
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: every time, you would need to take a break from it,

1386
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: Like I pretty quickly went back to school. I felt

1387
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: like I had to just screw my head back on

1388
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: and get distracted. But I would also see I felt

1389
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: like I was pepe Leapugh walking through campus because I

1390
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 1: could see people laughing and recognize me, and they had

1391
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 1: heard that I was at the school, and like, get

1392
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: really somber, you know, because I was walking by and

1393
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: not want to laugh, and I was like, oh my god,

1394
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 1: I'm like this walking wake of depression, which was also

1395
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure I invented some of it in my own mind,

1396
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: but I don't know what I would have done with

1397
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: those kinds of experiences or you know, a lot of

1398
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,759
Speaker 1: the I don't think I had an appreciation for his impact.

1399
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 1: I don't think I had ever considered what his presence

1400
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 1: felt like for so many people. And it took years

1401
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: and years and years before I could put myself in

1402
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: one of those people's shoes who would come up to

1403
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: me and say that was so hard for me, you know,

1404
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, are you out of your mind?

1405
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: The only reason I can I can stay sane in

1406
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: this moment is because I know I'm about to call

1407
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 1: Jason and Carly and be like, you won't believe what

1408
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: this person. And then as I matured and I like

1409
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: really was more comfortable engaging that conversation and saying like, oh, well,

1410
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: you know, why do you think that was? Or yeah,

1411
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 1: like you know, just bring it out. I met a

1412
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: lot of people who learned English from watching him. They

1413
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: were like he I could understand him, and he was fun,

1414
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: and people who felt like they grew to love our

1415
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: country because of you know, there were like these real

1416
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 1: life changing impacts that he had, and I it was

1417
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: just another facet that I got to sort of find

1418
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: another angle of connection to him. I got to experience

1419
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 1: him and what a luxury that is to get to

1420
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: hear so many stories about him through other people and

1421
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 1: now being an actor in LA every job I have,

1422
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: there's at least one person who has a story with him,

1423
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: and they're all, you know, if he wasn't with the kids,

1424
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: he never turned anyone away, is what I've kind of

1425
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: come to understand. I don't know if you've learned that too, Jay,

1426
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: But every time someone tells me a story where they

1427
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: like he gave up a seat on the plane, or

1428
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, he like gave them his book he had

1429
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 1: just finished, or these things that I'm like, oh, that

1430
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: is not how he was when we were out in public.

1431
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: So I'm starting to build this other angle of him,

1432
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: which is a huge luxury and definitely is healing. And

1433
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: there was, well two things. One thing is, what's a

1434
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: strange sort of thing is that, like, you know, there's

1435
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: a lot of parallels between the way he grew up

1436
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 1: and the way we grew up and his dad and stuff.

1437
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: And his dad also died young. And there was a

1438
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: story that made us laugh that he made us laugh

1439
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: throughout our whole childhood. Where his dad had passed, he

1440
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 1: went back to work. There's a guy who's like sort

1441
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: of a mystery cool guy who went into and I

1442
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 1: heard about your dad condoles. He's like, I just didn't

1443
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: have time to say the whole work on the move,

1444
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 1: and I made us laugh right forever. And there was

1445
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 1: a time where I was with Melanie and we were

1446
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 1: out at a bar at a restaurant or something, and

1447
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: this woman who's near on the corner, she turned around,

1448
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just realized who you are. I like,

1449
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 1: I love your dad. I missed him so much, and

1450
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: she went rip and then she turned around. Melanie was

1451
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: like shocked, silent, and to her back. I went to

1452
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 1: her back, I just went wow, well, first of all,

1453
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 1: thank you for you know, bringing up you know a

1454
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: lot of my closest friends. But I don't even think

1455
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 1: Melanie and I had really talked about it. But like

1456
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes people was like this like and

1457
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: then like not even like looking to see my reactions

1458
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: so hilarious to us. But I actually I do remember.

1459
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I told you this guy,

1460
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 1: but like there's one story that I heard about Dad

1461
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: that like was not good. This guy comes to me

1462
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: and he was like, hey, I know you Dad, And

1463
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, I was like the first

1464
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 1: time I hear like a weird energy. Yeah I knew that. Yeah,

1465
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: he got me fired from a show. Like what He's like, Yeah,

1466
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: he got me fired because I was too handsome. And

1467
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 1: I was like, are you sure didn't have anything to

1468
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 1: do with the fact that you're clearly arraging coming up

1469
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 1: to me and telling me that my dad, Like I

1470
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: was just like, I'm I don't think he's God, that's

1471
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 1: an amazing like everything that I know about my dad,

1472
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: like the fact that you listen, this guy's too handy.

1473
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what that guy had to do to

1474
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: be Like I probably got fired because of all this

1475
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 1: he was imagining to see, and your Dad's like, can

1476
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: someone get the A D? Can someone find Hey? Listen,

1477
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 1: this guy's gotta go. I can't concentrate. I'm just I'm

1478
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: falling in love every minute I stare at his beautiful face,

1479
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: this guy's way to hand. So it was so funny

1480
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 1: because like, I've never heard, I've never seen anybody come

1481
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 1: up to me with that kind of energy about my dad.

1482
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,759
Speaker 1: And so at first I was like wildly thrown off,

1483
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: and then I was like, oh no, no, okay, I

1484
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: think this is your problem. How do you how do

1485
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 1: you even respond to something like that? You're like, I

1486
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 1: don't think he would have I don't. I don't think

1487
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 1: he ever really exercised that power. God, wow, so disconnected

1488
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: and hilarious. Was there a moment when you guys like

1489
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: felt like, okay, this we're good. You know we're gonna

1490
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 1: get through it. We're gonna get through it. You knew that,

1491
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: but it was like you've found the other side in

1492
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: a way. I think, you know, I think like some

1493
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: thing like that really like it makes you sort of

1494
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 1: tighten all the ropes on the raft. Something like that's

1495
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 1: a terrible metaphorm. But use it. What do you tighten

1496
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: a kind of raft? Everything I know about rats ropes

1497
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: and sometimes they get loose, but the rat doesn't say

1498
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: just a little like I feel like we're in the

1499
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: Thomas your type of raft, an old school raft, exactly

1500
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 1: old school, not like inflatable. Those are those ropes just

1501
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 1: to hold on? Yeah, I think I think, you know,

1502
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: I think it's like a thing where you start to

1503
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: realize that you know it's never going to be the same,

1504
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: it's never going to be okay, but that the people

1505
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 1: around you will be there in those moments that it

1506
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:43,799
Speaker 1: like just knocks you out again because like it's so bizarre.

1507
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 1: It's so bizarre, like well, I don't know, like last

1508
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 1: this last year, I was watching Queer Eye and there

1509
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: was an episode where this guy was coming out to

1510
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 1: his stepmom and his dad had passed away. It wasn't know,

1511
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 1: it's nothing like aside from the father passing away, it's

1512
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 1: nothing like my story. And and yet like I felt

1513
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 1: like sort of weird, like I felt like I had

1514
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 1: taken vitamins and not like I felt like lightheaded. I

1515
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:14,640
Speaker 1: was like, what is going on? And I was like

1516
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 1: doing the dishes and then all of a sudden, just

1517
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: like over the dishwasher. I was just like, oh, best bride,

1518
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: and it's just I was like, oh my god. I

1519
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 1: kind of thought I had like gotten over this, but

1520
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: it's just still there, like waiting for those moments that

1521
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 1: something comes up and it's just like still all there.

1522
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:36,719
Speaker 1: But my brother is here, my sister's here, both my brothers,

1523
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 1: my mom, you know, like my my family at home,

1524
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,679
Speaker 1: this this my friend was like, there are the people.

1525
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: I think that's what you start to really take stock of,

1526
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 1: is is everyone who's still here and everyone who you

1527
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 1: know will be there for you in those moments. The

1528
01:30:55,640 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 1: healing process I think takes maybe forever, and it is

1529
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,680
Speaker 1: it's like those those roadblocks and also those like incredibly

1530
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 1: happy moments, they're both sort of the right moments for

1531
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: that stuff to be. Like are you so happy? Don't

1532
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 1: you wish someone could see? So we again, like we

1533
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: grew up, Dad talk to us all the time of

1534
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 1: your grandfather would have loved you, guys. We never got

1535
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 1: to meet him, but he would have loved you guys.

1536
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 1: My sister has two kids, and Tyler has two and

1537
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 1: I have one. But how lucky, But how lucky are you?

1538
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 1: And how lucky are your kids that they get to

1539
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 1: see their grandfather that we grew up in a business

1540
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:46,599
Speaker 1: and he was famous and an actor and he did however,

1541
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 1: many hundreds of episodes of you know, Three's Company and

1542
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 1: then everything else he's done, they get to experience him,

1543
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, and while it's not in person, that is

1544
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: a deep part of his personality, you know. I mean

1545
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 1: we watched we watched Westerns with our grand and him

1546
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: and I have a couple of vinyl records of texts

1547
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 1: where I have a children's record where he's singing children's

1548
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 1: songs that my son loves, wow. And I have another

1549
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 1: record where he is giving a backstory to every song.

1550
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 1: So there are days where we're sitting around and he's

1551
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: hearing his you know, great grandfather tell him stories and

1552
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 1: that just blows my mind. But yeah, like you said,

1553
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a side of them. The

1554
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: loss is just you know, it's always going to be there.

1555
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 1: But I do think in those moments that it hits you,

1556
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: there is like a when you get through the major

1557
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 1: waves of grief where it's hard to navigate, it has

1558
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 1: sort of that centering to it where I think, like, oh,

1559
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:52,639
Speaker 1: man we we saw so our dad was like a

1560
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: diehard Beatles fan that was like his you know, his

1561
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: higher power and and DoD It was like for me,

1562
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 1: our big connection was baseball and like Beatles was his gift,

1563
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 1: like he could tell us about every song where it

1564
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: all came from. And my wife and I this last

1565
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 1: year saw Paul McCartney at Dodger Stadium when Ringo Star

1566
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 1: came out and they joined up together, and it was

1567
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 1: like every emotion you could feel. I just felt for

1568
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: There was a whole row of kids in front of

1569
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 1: us and they were just like who is this grown

1570
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 1: man behind us? Crying and like screaming out to Paul

1571
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 1: from the nose blades when Paul's like who he has

1572
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 1: tried to learn how to play Blackbird on guitar And

1573
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 1: the three kids were like we all have. And I

1574
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 1: was like me, Paul, but like what it was as

1575
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 1: close to a like religious awake. I'm not very religious.

1576
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 1: I don't have you know, I can't say I've had

1577
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: many experiences like that, but I try to think in

1578
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 1: that moment what this have been like if. Then afterwards

1579
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 1: I called my dad and was like, dude, oh my god,

1580
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:05,679
Speaker 1: that was amazing. I saw Paula Doug and it would

1581
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: be one experience. The experience I had was, you know,

1582
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 1: bigger than anything I could describe, you know, So there

1583
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:17,560
Speaker 1: is you just start feeling these other levels of gratitude

1584
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 1: and joy, you know, like, do you ever feel him?

1585
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 1: I do. So. A lot of people had been telling

1586
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 1: me to brace myself for when Benjamin was born, and

1587
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: I did. I think I actually did. I was like, oh,

1588
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 1: this is great, Like I'm feeling really good with my

1589
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 1: son and like my dad would have been great. But

1590
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: I hadn't had that moment for like a couple months.

1591
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: And you know, I was talking to my wife Leelu

1592
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 1: about it, and she had some really great idea. She

1593
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:46,759
Speaker 1: was like, you know, maybe the idea of a father's

1594
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 1: son relationship has just always been tragic for you, and

1595
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 1: now you're getting to redefine it as the father and

1596
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 1: maybe that's like a healthy and I think she's right.

1597
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 1: I think I was experiencing that. And then there was

1598
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: just one random you know, and this is after months

1599
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: and months of putting him down, and I just felt

1600
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 1: like he was in the room and it was maybe

1601
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 1: for two seconds that I was like, oh my god,

1602
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: he's here. And then and then it was the realization

1603
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: that either he was or he wasn't. It's almost too

1604
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:18,679
Speaker 1: much to bear that he's not able to meet these

1605
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 1: children that he would have loved so much. Oh my god. Yeah,

1606
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was a moment. I have a lot

1607
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 1: of dreams, you know. There was a lot of dissecting. Really. Yeah.

1608
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 1: I love that. There's a lot of stuff that you

1609
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:36,680
Speaker 1: can't kind of like prove either way or like have

1610
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 1: a hundred There are things that like there isn't a

1611
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 1: truth and a non truth and things like that, but

1612
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:42,799
Speaker 1: there are other things like this sort of gray area

1613
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:46,759
Speaker 1: where it's like an idea or a frame of mind

1614
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 1: or a way to look at something and perspective shift

1615
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 1: and you can just sort of I've always been like, well,

1616
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 1: what way makes me feel that? Just what way? Like

1617
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 1: if I look at the world and I'm like, oh,

1618
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: everything's been decided beforehand, or we have free will and

1619
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 1: we can do we can change our destiny and things

1620
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know which way is the real way,

1621
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:10,559
Speaker 1: if there is one, but one certainly makes me feel

1622
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 1: super depressed and one makes me feel like way better

1623
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: I can. I want to work hard and try hard

1624
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,679
Speaker 1: and change things. And so I think like a lot

1625
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:21,560
Speaker 1: of things like that. I and I you know, I

1626
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 1: I love every time I have a dream about him.

1627
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean they're usually like super strange, like and usually

1628
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 1: in them, I'm just like trying not to cry. I'm like,

1629
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm wasting time by crying. I'm and he's like, what,

1630
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 1: what's are you okay? I'm like, you know, it's just

1631
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 1: it's hard to explain to you, but I don't know

1632
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 1: how much time you have. I just like I just

1633
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 1: try to like talk to you and that it's it's

1634
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 1: super bizarre. But then like every once in a while,

1635
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 1: if anytime I see something sort of absurd that like

1636
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 1: makes me laugh, that'll be I'm like, oh, I felt

1637
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 1: like you orchestrated that. So fucking great. What a great

1638
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,880
Speaker 1: legacy to to leave for you guys, the absurdity, because

1639
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I love I love the absurd. It's just

1640
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 1: so fun. And you know, I honestly try to instill

1641
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: the absurd into my kids by just being you know,

1642
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:22,760
Speaker 1: and and if you can look at the absurd and

1643
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 1: think of your dad, I mean, that's a great fucking gift,

1644
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: I think. And I love what you said Jay about

1645
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 1: the book. I had never thought about that sort of

1646
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:32,800
Speaker 1: an analogy, and that is very comforting, even to me

1647
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 1: who hasn't lost a parent. But the idea that we're

1648
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 1: sort of futurizing when there is no reason to. I mean, yeah,

1649
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 1: this is just the end of the book. And that's okay,

1650
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:45,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, this is just what

1651
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: it was there. There is nothing else, you know what

1652
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean. Like that's a that's a that's a an

1653
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: interesting concept and one that if you can sort of

1654
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:56,640
Speaker 1: grasp I can. I can see how that can be

1655
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 1: comforting in a way. Yeah, it's I mean it's hard

1656
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 1: because there's a part of you that's like, well, I

1657
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:05,040
Speaker 1: still want to see them. Yeah, but like the more

1658
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,679
Speaker 1: you can be like I'm not going to see those characters,

1659
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 1: I can't. I would love they have not even been

1660
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. So so that's the ending. It was unsatisfying

1661
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:25,759
Speaker 1: to you when you got to it, but now reread

1662
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: the book in your mind and go, oh my god,

1663
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:31,799
Speaker 1: I got that moment and some people don't get that moment,

1664
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 1: and you know, like I got this day and this

1665
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 1: week and you know, whatever it is, it's you know, well,

1666
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 1: thank you guys for talking about that, you know, yeah,

1667
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 1: so important. And I think I think too. You know,

1668
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 1: so many people lose their parents young and siblings young,

1669
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 1: and you know, people in their life. And I think

1670
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: when people talk about their experience with something that is

1671
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 1: very tragic, it helps so many people feel better about

1672
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 1: because a lot of people. You know, it says a

1673
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 1: lot about your parents that you're able to sort of

1674
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 1: like lean on each other and like you said, like

1675
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 1: be able to look into the future. Your future is

1676
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 1: bright to know that life goes on and that your

1677
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 1: dad would want you to move on like clearly. You know.

1678
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: I think it's a nice thing for people to just

1679
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:29,760
Speaker 1: feel like their experience is relatable to others. Yeah. Absolutely, Okay,

1680
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 1: let's do the speed round ready, Okay, one word to

1681
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 1: describe the other I would say, and I know I

1682
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 1: said this with Dad, but I would say death. Also,

1683
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:41,599
Speaker 1: I think you can go so deep as you guys

1684
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 1: have heard with Jason on any topic and he goes

1685
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 1: right there with you. So I would say a depth

1686
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 1: like a I'm going to make it too, but like

1687
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 1: a creative depth I'm going to hyphenate. Lionhearted is one

1688
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 1: of the biggest hearts I've never seen. I feel like

1689
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 1: he's who I am pretending to be out in the world.

1690
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Wow, Who's more athletic? Time? But Jason's faster.

1691
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 1: So it depends on your definition. Who's more competitive? That's

1692
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 1: a tough one. Oh, I think maybe Tyler. I think

1693
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 1: I think maybe Tyler, although I also get extreme. I

1694
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:30,240
Speaker 1: think you you play super competitive. But I think Jason's

1695
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 1: just happier if everybody's engaged in having a good time.

1696
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 1: But I think I I think I hate losing more

1697
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 1: than Jason hates losing. Who's funnier? Jason? I die for sure? Okay, Yeah,

1698
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 1: I got like eighty percent of my sense of humor

1699
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: is like straight from Jason. So, like we were talking

1700
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 1: about try Lambs and I mean, how many movies that

1701
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 1: you passed down to me that like? And you're just

1702
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:03,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he is literally the funniest person. I know.

1703
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 1: That's true. That's very kind. Who but who? Who can

1704
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:15,559
Speaker 1: deliver the better punchline? Jason? I don't know for sure.

1705
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 1: I can't stop smiling when I'm trying to tell a Joe,

1706
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: I give it away, Like before I even start setting

1707
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:26,639
Speaker 1: it up, I'll start giving it away. No, poker face,

1708
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 1: who has more who's more stage fright, who like gets

1709
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 1: more nervous even on sets or between you know, I

1710
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 1: don't know. I actually I don't know if I've ever

1711
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 1: asked you about that time. I know, I get, I

1712
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 1: get yeah, But I've learned to be like, Okay, that's

1713
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 1: like my little friends, because I would start to get

1714
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 1: nervous if I was just like, I'm going to be brilliant.

1715
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 1: I feel like the nervousness drives me to like care

1716
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I love that feeling before you

1717
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 1: get on a stage. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I love

1718
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: hate thing. I'm like, oh my god. There's always the

1719
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:10,919
Speaker 1: part that's like, there's the exit story. You could just run. Yeah, totally,

1720
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 1: I would imagine I do, because I'm I'm newer to

1721
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:18,840
Speaker 1: the game, and I definitely before going on stage every time,

1722
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I don't think I know

1723
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:22,680
Speaker 1: any of the lines. And then I'm like, wait, no,

1724
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:24,679
Speaker 1: I think I do. Oh there they are, Okay, we're good,

1725
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 1: but like there's always a moment where it's like this

1726
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:31,439
Speaker 1: is going to be horrible. Yeah, But I've learned to

1727
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 1: have a friendly relationship with that with those bad prob

1728
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 1: who has better taste in music? Jason, I would say Tyler, No, what, yeah, Tyler, dude.

1729
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:49,720
Speaker 1: I I will obsess about one band. For Melanie is

1730
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:51,560
Speaker 1: always like this band, I'm like who, and She's like

1731
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:56,160
Speaker 1: all right. Because in the nineties you only listen to Nirvana.

1732
01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:00,559
Speaker 1: Am I slowly learning that there's other bands beyond like Nirvana,

1733
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 1: The Pixies, Brian Eyes built a spill all bands that

1734
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 1: I love because you pass them down to me. That

1735
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 1: I think that's true. I probably have listened to a

1736
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 1: wider array, but your knowledge of music and you were

1737
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: just more musical as well, Like you played music, you

1738
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 1: know instruments, and you're deeper in the world. But I

1739
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 1: do listen to a lot of music. How about how

1740
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 1: about who? What decade do you think your brother would

1741
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 1: thrive most in like for each other? Eighteen ninety I

1742
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 1: think he would have been an incredible His mustache last

1743
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 1: week would have been you had an amazing mustache. You

1744
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:47,840
Speaker 1: should not have let that go. That's a great question.

1745
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 1: I think I think the twenties. Oh really, he's a current.

1746
01:43:53,120 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 1: He's a current boy. Wow, he's just getting better and better.

1747
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: I could see you rock in the seventies. You would

1748
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 1: have been on the front lines for the right causes

1749
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 1: with the long hair. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it was

1750
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:15,000
Speaker 1: a little about the seventies that makes me uncomfortable. But

1751
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:23,840
Speaker 1: who cries easier? I might? I mean I cried, I

1752
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:27,040
Speaker 1: almost cried. I got pretty close on this very podcast.

1753
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:36,360
Speaker 1: So you went crowd? Who got better grades growing up? Jason?

1754
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 1: I got Jason was a solid student? Okay? Who calls

1755
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:47,599
Speaker 1: the other more? I call? Well? We text? We're yeah,

1756
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 1: I feel like we yea, we're moret more text and

1757
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 1: then we meet up. Now we're doing a little more zoom.

1758
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:54,640
Speaker 1: It's a lot of like you up, you want to

1759
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 1: play this game, let's do it? The kid to sleep? Yeah,

1760
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:04,639
Speaker 1: row on the headset? Okay. Who's the better dancer? Tyler?

1761
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 1: For sure, hands down, no question. I may have helped

1762
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:12,640
Speaker 1: and inspire the chaos, the pure chaos and joy of

1763
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 1: dancing without moves, But then Tyler took And who was

1764
01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 1: your first celebrity crush Barrymore? Oh yeah that was a

1765
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 1: big one for you. Like but from like when I

1766
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 1: was like eight and I saw or No like five

1767
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:36,599
Speaker 1: and I saw Eat and I was like, who this

1768
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 1: is my We're destined oh yeah, if we go back

1769
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 1: to like being little kids, Jessica Rabbit was a bit,

1770
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:49,560
Speaker 1: but I think Selma Kayak was my first real was

1771
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:53,599
Speaker 1: my first human crush. Tyler Kindred spirits there. Selma Yak

1772
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 1: is like, oh my gosh, and Desperado remember that, that's

1773
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 1: what it was. I think it was. I was like, well,

1774
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:01,599
Speaker 1: it's that he doesn't know it yet, but we're we're

1775
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 1: playing together. Wow. Yeah. Cindy Lauper was a closer. Yeah,

1776
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:12,599
Speaker 1: that second one interesting. She's like your mom's age. Yeah.

1777
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 1: I actually had a dream where we were married and

1778
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:19,759
Speaker 1: in my dream I was twenty and she was ninety

1779
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 1: like age difference. Head it was like not what it

1780
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 1: really like? It would be totally fine now like I

1781
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 1: but in my ten year old mind, I was like,

1782
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 1: why did I make this promise to myself? And why

1783
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 1: did the universe grant this wish? I didn't think this through.

1784
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 1: I liked I like this one. If you were casting

1785
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 1: someone as your brother, who would it be? Oh? Whoa

1786
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 1: Paul Rud Just like so Pauld it's actually really good.

1787
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 1: That's like he said, maybe Dax Jumper. Oh that's your interesting.

1788
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:04,480
Speaker 1: I like this one. Who makes the best first impression.

1789
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,240
Speaker 1: I think Tilon makes the best first I persion. I

1790
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:13,679
Speaker 1: would guess you do. No, you definitely do. I can

1791
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 1: sometimes rub people in like a and I've been learning

1792
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 1: this recently. I'm like that I can sometimes come off

1793
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:26,559
Speaker 1: as like a little bit of a douchebag. I think

1794
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 1: it is, like, yeah, it really sucks. I feel like

1795
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:33,680
Speaker 1: Jay like is the one that all the parents like love, like,

1796
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, Jason's such a great boy. Yeah, you know,

1797
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 1: he's a kid, Like he's so sweet. He's just so

1798
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:44,679
Speaker 1: so sweet. Yeah. I had to take an improv class

1799
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:46,640
Speaker 1: and I had to fill in in another class. I

1800
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:50,760
Speaker 1: didn't know anyone. And afterwards, they like all went out

1801
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 1: for drinks and and I guess I went out with them,

1802
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: and like after two hours they were like, whoa, you're

1803
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 1: actually like a nice guy. I was like what, They're like, yeah,

1804
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 1: you just sort of like a know it all douchebag.

1805
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:04,240
Speaker 1: I was like, it was the first time I had

1806
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 1: heard that, and it was just so straight to my face.

1807
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:13,200
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about that. God's the worst person. He

1808
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 1: never would have ever put those words to your way.

1809
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 1: Who's the most adventurous? I was pretty adventurous. Maybe me

1810
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:27,200
Speaker 1: just by virtue of the older brother, Like, come on,

1811
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:33,800
Speaker 1: let's go who would go skydiving? We've both been skydiving? Cool,

1812
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 1: so I went before you. I guess, yeah, who's gonna

1813
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 1: and then maybe maybe that's who's gonna who's gonna be

1814
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 1: who's going to survive, who's going to be the survivalist. Actually,

1815
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,439
Speaker 1: let's put it this way, who's going to last longer?

1816
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:58,559
Speaker 1: On like Naked and Afraid? I was a hiking counselor,

1817
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:05,040
Speaker 1: so I had to do wilderness trade. Okay, But Jason, like,

1818
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:08,120
Speaker 1: if we get into like a gaming world, you're so

1819
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 1: resourceful and you're really good at like taking in a

1820
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:14,080
Speaker 1: lot of information and finding the right way. I just

1821
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 1: like run straightforward into walls until I break through something.

1822
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 1: So I'm a little more impulsive. So probably Jason, again,

1823
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 1: we're really bad at the speed round. I feel like

1824
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 1: we have to justify everything called the justification round. Okay,

1825
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:33,639
Speaker 1: all right, Ollie, you asked them the last question we asked,

1826
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:35,720
Speaker 1: So we asked this to every to everyone who comes

1827
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,160
Speaker 1: on the show. It's a two part question. If you

1828
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 1: could take something from your brother to have as your own,

1829
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, something that you love about them, that you

1830
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:48,720
Speaker 1: wish that you had a personality trait or something, you know,

1831
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 1: that something deep a part of them. What would that be?

1832
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 1: And then on the flip side of that, you know,

1833
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 1: sort of if you could, you know, alleviate something from them,

1834
01:49:57,680 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 1: take something away, know, a stressor of some kind that

1835
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 1: could make them feel better or make their life better

1836
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,920
Speaker 1: in some way than what would that be? Wow? Oh

1837
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:16,439
Speaker 1: my god, I would say, I would say Jason's I mean,

1838
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 1: it's a weird thing to say, like I want this

1839
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 1: from him, but I think like this quality of his

1840
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 1: like magnetism, that that's like and it goes back to

1841
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 1: his depth. He could tell a story that has an

1842
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 1: entire room just like flabbergacid, and it could be it

1843
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 1: can be the funniest story you've ever heard. It could

1844
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:40,360
Speaker 1: be the saddest thing. But he can bring people together

1845
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:45,880
Speaker 1: with such ease and and like really lighten a room.

1846
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:49,559
Speaker 1: I mean, like the whole chemistry changes when when he's there,

1847
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:52,720
Speaker 1: and always for the better. I mean, he's just like

1848
01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:58,719
Speaker 1: such a huge source of light. So that is an

1849
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 1: incredible quality that is his and that he should keep

1850
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: for himself. But you work for it, you want it,

1851
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:08,840
Speaker 1: you can you can want Yeah, Yeah, and I guess

1852
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 1: in that similar in a similar vein, I would say,

1853
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:17,519
Speaker 1: if there's any part of him in those situations and

1854
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 1: social situations, if there's any part of him that feels

1855
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 1: that pressure, because he's sort of been carrying that torch

1856
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:27,479
Speaker 1: for his whole life as far as just being so

1857
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:29,639
Speaker 1: fun and so funny, I know that that can really

1858
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:32,960
Speaker 1: weigh on people, and I think it is a way

1859
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:35,680
Speaker 1: you you have fun, but just to know that you

1860
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:39,960
Speaker 1: don't owe anyone and that you don't you know that

1861
01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:45,599
Speaker 1: that h that your genuine self is always, you know,

1862
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:48,479
Speaker 1: shining through and if you ever felt pressure like you

1863
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:51,559
Speaker 1: had to step up that side of yourself that you

1864
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 1: you don't. So if that is in there, I would say,

1865
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:59,360
Speaker 1: I hope you could let that go. That's really lovely

1866
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:03,680
Speaker 1: because this is such a good question. I guess I

1867
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 1: guess the thing that I would take Tyler. There's a

1868
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:14,640
Speaker 1: certain sort of like clarity, like like a moral clarity

1869
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 1: that I feel like I sort of struggle with sometimes.

1870
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 1: And I feel like I feel like not that not

1871
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:26,680
Speaker 1: that it's uncomplicated for everybody and for Tyler too, but

1872
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:32,520
Speaker 1: there's just like there's such a just an inherent understanding

1873
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 1: of like what the good thing to do would be

1874
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:40,840
Speaker 1: in any situation, and he just follows that road like

1875
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:45,880
Speaker 1: I've never like it just it's like that road calls

1876
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:48,439
Speaker 1: to him and he just goes that way. I've never

1877
01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:50,879
Speaker 1: been like, oh, what are you doing, Like probably shouldn't

1878
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 1: do that. It's all like I just see him follow

1879
01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:56,320
Speaker 1: this path and he just he has this courage to

1880
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:58,519
Speaker 1: just take the next step and the next step, the

1881
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:01,720
Speaker 1: next step, and I just I can I can sometimes

1882
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:06,320
Speaker 1: be paralyzed by my own you know, like indecision about

1883
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:10,439
Speaker 1: things or or and so that is one thing that

1884
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:15,640
Speaker 1: I would take And if I would alleviate anything from him, Uh,

1885
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:21,360
Speaker 1: I think it would be any like sort of anxiety

1886
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 1: about the future. I mean now that I just said,

1887
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 1: like he walks forward bravely, and I'm like, I think

1888
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:30,160
Speaker 1: I think I would. It's like a thing I feel

1889
01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:34,120
Speaker 1: like he seems like he's just on such the right

1890
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Speaker 1: path and and that like who he is and who

1891
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:41,040
Speaker 1: he surrounds himself with and his family, I feel like

1892
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 1: to to take away to just know that like he's

1893
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 1: on the right, the right path, and that what's supposed

1894
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:51,559
Speaker 1: to happen will happen, even though sometimes when I hear

1895
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:53,840
Speaker 1: that it drives me insane, but I do believe that

1896
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:56,800
Speaker 1: on some level, especially when it's about good things. I

1897
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:59,280
Speaker 1: guess I believe that it's about that things like the

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01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 1: way No, no, I get that. I totally get that,

1899
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:06,880
Speaker 1: because sometimes you can think, like, you know, well, why

1900
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 1: what what the fuck's going on right now? But it's

1901
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 1: just trust. I mean, it's just trust, trusting that you're

1902
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:15,439
Speaker 1: you're in the right place. You're always in the right place,

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01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, exactly, absolutely, and thank you and uh but yeah,

1904
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:23,960
Speaker 1: but he just he always is hard in his mind

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01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:26,120
Speaker 1: and the spirits are always in the right place. Like

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Speaker 1: he he's he knows, he has this lovely, beautiful family.

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01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:33,520
Speaker 1: He knows you know, he's such an incredible dad. It's

1908
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 1: really inspiring to watch. He was a dad before I

1909
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 1: was a dad, So I got I was the little

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Speaker 1: brother for that's true. Hey, before we get out of here,

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Speaker 1: I forgot to ask you a question. We were talking

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Speaker 1: about your dad. Did you feel like Jay that you

1913
01:54:48,280 --> 01:54:51,760
Speaker 1: had to step up in any way, you know, and

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Speaker 1: and be the man of the family or or was

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Speaker 1: is that sort of just an idea? I think I

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01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:01,080
Speaker 1: think in some ways I did. Yeah, I mean for sure,

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Speaker 1: like being the oldest after the separation and stuff too,

1918
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:12,280
Speaker 1: I mean both in different ways. One after the separation,

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, in some ways I'm the I

1920
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:19,879
Speaker 1: have to kind of take over and kind of guide

1921
01:55:19,880 --> 01:55:23,080
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, don't do that, do this, don't

1922
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:25,920
Speaker 1: do what I'm doing. Don't even know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: Just just keep your head down. And then yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then I think again too in a different way, and

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Speaker 1: two more family members at the time of his death.

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Speaker 1: But I think in some ways everyone sort of stepped up.

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01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:47,400
Speaker 1: And so it's a strange thing. It's like a plug

1928
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Speaker 1: gets pulled and everyone kind of like goes to the

1929
01:55:50,240 --> 01:55:52,880
Speaker 1: drain to seal it up or too much water it

1930
01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:56,880
Speaker 1: gets out, and everyone sort of gets their own little section.

1931
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Speaker 1: And and I think the ways in which all of

1932
01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:11,160
Speaker 1: the siblings have have filled a hole. Yeah, you you

1933
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:15,280
Speaker 1: definitely filled a particular hole as far as talking about

1934
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Speaker 1: like man of the house or you know, being like

1935
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Speaker 1: a protective force. Even as recently as you know, when

1936
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Speaker 1: when the lockdown started, Jason was the one in the

1937
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Speaker 1: family to sort of set us all straight a little bit.

1938
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Speaker 1: While we were all like, hey, you know, like I

1939
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:32,800
Speaker 1: think we can figure this out, you know, and Jason

1940
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:35,720
Speaker 1: was like, guys, this is not the time to risk

1941
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:38,200
Speaker 1: anything if we don't have to, if it's not essential.

1942
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Speaker 1: So like way early when this was all starting and

1943
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Speaker 1: people were still finding their roles, you came in and

1944
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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's like it set my ship straight. Really,

1945
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 1: I was sort of waving in between two different mindsets

1946
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:56,240
Speaker 1: and and you came in with with that, with that

1947
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 1: sort of authority in a great way that we needed.

1948
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Speaker 1: My anxiety. No one go anywhere and don't fucking move.

1949
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Speaker 1: I don't even know if we can talk on the phone,

1950
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Speaker 1: freak out. Well, thank you guys, amazing so much. This

1951
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Speaker 1: was a long one. It was so great, long, very long,

1952
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Speaker 1: but thank you, thank you, bye guys. Sibling Revelry is

1953
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Speaker 1: executive produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson. Producer is

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Speaker 1: Alison Presnik. Editor is Josh Wendish. Music by Mark Hudson

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Speaker 1: aka Uncle Mark.