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Speaker 1: Late fifteen ten touched up Well, what's up?

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Speaker 2: Guys?

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Speaker 3: Welcome into a brand new episode of Chargers Weekly. We

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Speaker 3: are one week away from Chargers Training Camp as op

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Speaker 3: Boy's joined by the voice of the Chargers Matt Muddy

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Speaker 3: Smith and Buddy, a pair of special guests to get

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Speaker 3: us ready.

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Speaker 4: For Camp Yeah Camp one week from today. I saw

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Speaker 4: all of the dates that were posted on the seventh

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Speaker 4: of July already gone sold out, So make sure you

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Speaker 4: keep checking Chargers dot com for those training camp tickets.

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Speaker 4: And I guess we'll just get started. To me, why

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Speaker 4: don't you start is you don't have an opportunity to

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Speaker 4: join us very often because Chris doesn't invite you because

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Speaker 4: he's a jerk.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's my fault, it's right.

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Speaker 4: It is just kind of your thoughts on the first

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Speaker 4: thing that just comes to mind when you hear training

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Speaker 4: Camp July seventeenth, where your eyes are going to go

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Speaker 4: and what you're looking at.

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Speaker 5: My first thought is, oh, my gosh, I don't have

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Speaker 5: any summer left. First of all, I wish I would

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Speaker 5: have enjoyed my summer vacation more. Second thought is I

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Speaker 5: believe everyone is really excited to see what this rookie

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Speaker 5: class can do. I think Jim Harbaugh said earlier this

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Speaker 5: offseason that this is the hardest working, most focused rookie

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Speaker 5: class he's ever been around in his experience of football.

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Speaker 5: So I'm excited to see if they can kind of

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Speaker 5: live up to that billing. Aroonda Gadson was one of

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Speaker 5: the rookies who really popped later in mini camp, So

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Speaker 5: we'll see what he can do and when the pads

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Speaker 5: come on and they start playing some or at least

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Speaker 5: getting ready to play some real football, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, Popper, we were talking about this last week, just

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Speaker 3: all the storylines entering training camp. If you had to

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Speaker 3: pinpoint the top storyline entering camp, the number one thing

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Speaker 3: we would be talking about next week, what would it be.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna cheat a little bit and go with sort

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Speaker 6: of a broad storyline. I'm really looking forward to watching

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Speaker 6: all of the competition because it feels like there's probably

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Speaker 6: three position groups that are going to be very, very

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Speaker 6: hotly contested in terms of making the roster the fifty

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Speaker 6: three men, and also in terms of starting spots. You know,

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Speaker 6: corner I think is going to be highly highly competitive.

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Speaker 6: You know, obviously you have Tarib Still and Cam Hart

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Speaker 6: returning to veterans they signed in freegency, and Dante Jackson

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Speaker 6: in Benjamin sat Juice. You talk about the interior defensive line,

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Speaker 6: which feels like a very deep group to me. But

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Speaker 6: I think the question is who's going to be that

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Speaker 6: top end producer that emerges from that group and then receiver.

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Speaker 6: You know, Tukne just mentioned the rookies. Two of those rookies,

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Speaker 6: Trey Harris and KeAndre Lambert Smith. In that room, you

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Speaker 6: have Mike Williams, you have Quintin Johnston, who is going

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Speaker 6: to be battling for playing time potentially.

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Speaker 7: A roster spot.

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Speaker 6: Who are the guys that sort of emerge around Lad McConkey. So,

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Speaker 6: and there's even more position groups that you can point to,

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Speaker 6: but it just feels like with the way they built

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Speaker 6: this roster, it's deep and there's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 6: of competition, and I'm really curious to see sort of

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Speaker 6: who emerges in these position groups to be that sort

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Speaker 6: of blue chip, top end guy that they can rely on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris, I think like this time of year, we

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Speaker 4: get in Popper can attest to this, We get focused

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Speaker 4: on the fifty three and we get focused on you know,

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Speaker 4: those last five players when really, you know, it's just

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Speaker 4: a it's it's I don't know, it comes with the

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Speaker 4: who's going to play, Like who's going to snatch these spots?

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Speaker 4: And like that's what's more interesting than spots forty eight

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Speaker 4: And is Derwin gonna be the big nickel is? Like

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Speaker 4: you said, Popper, and I think you alluded to it, Tonee,

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Speaker 4: Like is Quentin gonna be receiver? I'd say three? Like

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Speaker 4: if Mike Williams is healthy, is he receiver?

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Speaker 1: Three?

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Speaker 4: Is he receiver?

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Speaker 5: Two?

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Speaker 7: Like? What?

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Speaker 4: That's sort of the more interesting part of training camp

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Speaker 4: to me, as opposed to us trying to figure out

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Speaker 4: What about all their draft picks? Like there is I

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Speaker 4: think to your point, Daniel, like there is serious competition

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Speaker 4: for these starting positions. It's a deep team. I love

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Speaker 4: that it's a deep It feels way there's way more

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Speaker 4: depth than there have been in the patent than there

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and guys, one of the position groups

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Speaker 3: I think that the fans have talked about a lot

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Speaker 3: is interior offensive line and just what that starting five

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Speaker 3: is going to look like. I guess maybe from like

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Speaker 3: a ten thousand foot view took me and then Popper,

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Speaker 3: just your initial thoughts on what they did this offseason

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Speaker 3: across the offensive line and how you think that may

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Speaker 5: To me, first of all, I think it's interesting to

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Speaker 5: point that it seems very fitting that a Jim Harbaugh

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Speaker 5: That seems very appropriate for kind of like the the

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Speaker 5: ethos of this team of what this group is trying

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Speaker 5: to build in terms of their identity. So, yeah, we

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Speaker 5: saw them flip flop back and forth with Zion John

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Speaker 5: day they switched, and that's kind of a big thing

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Speaker 5: that we're all going to be looking for in terms

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Speaker 5: San Slater is set at left tackle.

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Speaker 2: McKai Beckton was that big, literal big uh free.

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Speaker 5: Agent signing and they're going to put him in at

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Speaker 5: right guard immediately. And then Joe all is coming off

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Speaker 5: a really strong rookie year at right tackle. And when

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Speaker 5: you just speaking to that right side, specifically, when you

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Speaker 5: put McKay, Beckton and Joe next to each other, it's

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Speaker 5: like comically large, comically large humans standing next to each

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Speaker 5: other as like a small person myself, Like it's almost

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Speaker 6: Yeah, let the record show I did not bring up

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Speaker 6: the interior of the offensive line first this time for you.

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Speaker 4: To speak on it.

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Speaker 1: I just logged you.

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Speaker 4: Before you before you go further, Popper, just because I

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Speaker 4: don't want you to think I'm I'm taking your content.

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Speaker 4: But it's great content at the athletic and I love

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Speaker 4: that you pointed out, like, hey, calm down. You know

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Speaker 4: how this front office works. They're going to get a

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Speaker 4: look at it, and if they decide it's not right,

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Speaker 4: then that's when they go shopping. And that's kind of

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Speaker 4: how Georatives did it last year.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 6: I mean they went into training camp thinking that they

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Speaker 6: were probably going to have to bring in a third

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Speaker 6: they identified Elijah Moulden as a guy who could potentially

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Speaker 7: I think it's gonna be a.

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Speaker 6: Similar process this year, and they they believe that that

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Speaker 6: Zion has a shot to be a good center, Like

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Speaker 6: they truly truly believe that. I think a lot of

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Speaker 6: it is unknown because he's never played there, and they're

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Speaker 6: really going back to, you know, the reps he had

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Speaker 6: ridiculous for them to sort of look for value. You know,

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Speaker 6: Will Fry's signs for over eighty million dollars, you know,

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Speaker 6: I was fine with how they sort of approached free agency.

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Speaker 6: You know, I personally, based on how that Houston game

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Speaker 6: and the you know, the way everything shook out in

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Speaker 6: going more with past catching weapons to try and improve offensively,

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Speaker 6: and they're going to try and figure it out at

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Speaker 6: left guard and center. I think that, like in a

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Speaker 6: they slide Bradley Boseman at left guard and they feel

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Speaker 6: like that will be an improvement. I have to see it.

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Speaker 6: That's sort of where I'm at. I have to see

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Speaker 6: they perform, you know. You know, it feels a little

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Speaker 7: They think there's going to be significant improvement, but.

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Speaker 6: I have to see it before I really believe that,

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Speaker 6: you know, they're going to have dramatic improvement. I think

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Speaker 6: the big question is and we can get everyone's thoughts

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Speaker 6: on this, like the Mackai Beckton signing, like they feel

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Speaker 6: like inserting him in and having him play is going

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Speaker 6: to drastically improve the interior because you have a much

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Speaker 7: And I can certainly see that logic.

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Speaker 6: But again, like where I'm at is like let's see him,

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Speaker 6: what the pads on, Let's see what it looks like,

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Speaker 6: and then we can sort of get a sense of

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Speaker 6: like is this going to be a dramatic improvement or

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Speaker 6: an incremental improvement or no improvement.

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Speaker 4: I think when people talk O line, you know, they

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Speaker 4: just inherently visualize pass protection and sack prevention. And for

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Speaker 4: this team, it has been a fight with one hand

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Speaker 4: last half decade. So the idea that like it's even

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Speaker 4: when it was Trey and alltlast year, We're like, why

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Speaker 4: can they not run?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 4: What is going on? Like the idea that now you have,

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Speaker 4: like you talked about too, and like these people movers,

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Speaker 4: these massive humans to be able to run the ball

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Speaker 4: that side, to be able to run the ball behind Slater,

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Speaker 4: who's exceptional in that phase of the game. Like that

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Speaker 4: just opens up a ton if you know McKay Beckton

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Speaker 4: isn't an elite pass protector. If they can just unlock

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Speaker 4: run blocker, he's fine if he goes back to left

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Speaker 4: them to at least get that going, Like, I just

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Speaker 4: want to see what this team looks like with a

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Speaker 4: legitimate run game where play action is working and Herbert's

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Speaker 4: got time to throw because play action is working, because

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Speaker 4: you have to honor it when the guy's taking a

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Speaker 4: play action fake and run into the right side instead

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Speaker 4: talk like remember guards like Trace, it's going to get

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not like they didn't do anything or like

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Speaker 5: Just a lot of changes, and I'm excited to see

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Speaker 7: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: why didn't we sign Will Fries, Why didn't we draft

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: So I think that these guys are just they're picking

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Speaker 5: Because I think that's a big part of this team,

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Speaker 7: Excited to see it.

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Speaker 5: three receivers, and then toward the end we saw Trey

438
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 5: Harris move into Jalen spot. So we're already seeing Trey

439
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 5: Harris progress and like you know, Quentin Is could be

440
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:12,920
Speaker 5: the next guy that he's going to run down.

441
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Look, it's that this is where we get

442
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,960
Speaker 4: into the whole fifty three conversation, right because and it's

443
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Speaker 4: a it's a sore spot for Popper because of the

444
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:23,880
Speaker 4: extra receiver.

445
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Speaker 7: Thet year New year.

446
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, that we went through this last year. There's

447
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 4: no way they'll keep the extra receiver in Brendon Rise

448
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 4: and he ended up sticking. And now you look and

449
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 4: it's a similar conversation, right, and and those and again

450
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 4: we always get caught up on the receive. There's always

451
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Speaker 4: a pre season receiver that flashes in the pre you

452
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,439
Speaker 4: know that flashes and we're like, there's no way they

453
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Speaker 4: can put him on the practice squad. And yeah, it's like, yeah,

454
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Speaker 4: they can put him on the practice squad and no

455
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 4: one's going to scoop him up. It's fine. And and

456
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Speaker 4: I think they still have Jalen Johnson. There's there's right

457
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Speaker 4: is that Who it is? It's Jalleen john right, Yeah,

458
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,400
Speaker 4: who had a great preseason last year and we're like, ah,

459
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 4: someone's going to scoop him up.

460
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Speaker 1: Nobody ever did.

461
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,679
Speaker 4: It was on the practice squad the whole the whole season.

462
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Speaker 4: And I think if they chose to take that path

463
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Speaker 4: with Brennan Rice. I don't think anybody's taking him off

464
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Speaker 4: the practice squad. I think if they put Jalen Rager there,

465
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 4: there's nobody taking him off the practice squad. So that's

466
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Speaker 4: what makes.

467
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Speaker 1: It to me.

468
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Speaker 4: It's not money plays, it's not draft status. It is

469
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Speaker 4: going to be a full, full fledged open competition where yeah,

470
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Speaker 4: you were taken in the first round, but you know,

471
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Speaker 4: second rounders are expected to do big things in this league,

472
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Speaker 4: and Trey Harris is going to be expected to produce immediately,

473
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Speaker 4: so his draft status might as well be on equal

474
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Speaker 4: footing as Cues. I don't think there's any you know,

475
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Speaker 4: Lad did it as a second rounder and he's in

476
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Speaker 4: the NFL top one hundred players, and I think at

477
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Speaker 4: one hundred he's still ranked too low. So like you can,

478
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Speaker 4: you can do it. So I think that's why to

479
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Speaker 4: your point, Tickney, like that's why this is. You're going

480
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Speaker 4: to see Trey Harris start to get those reps. Is

481
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Speaker 4: why receiver three, wide receiver two, And then you can

482
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 4: bet your you know your tail that in that Hall

483
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 4: of Fame game and in the preseason you're gonna see

484
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 4: Q out there for sure, and you're gonna see Trey

485
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 4: Harris out there for sure, and that is going to

486
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Speaker 4: be a full on competition, and that room is I'm

487
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Speaker 4: gonna say it again. I know it got you last year, Daniel,

488
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 4: but they're not keeping seven guys at receiver. They're just

489
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Speaker 4: not I can't envision it happening.

490
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Speaker 6: Well, I ended up being more of a procedural thing

491
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Speaker 6: because then DJ went on IR like five days later.

492
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Speaker 6: So but I will not be listening to you guys

493
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Speaker 6: on fifty three I do when I do my annual

494
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 6: pre game radio show appearance, I'm gonna plug my ears

495
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 6: for all of the questions and just few takes.

496
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Speaker 7: I'm not even gonna listen to you guys.

497
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Speaker 3: You know, the biggest wildcard in all of this for

498
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Speaker 3: this year specifically, is Mike Williams, because we just have

499
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Speaker 3: not seen a healthy Mike Williams in a couple of years.

500
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Speaker 3: He got hurt early in that Minnesota game, his last

501
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Speaker 3: game is a Charger, and then last year was a

502
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 3: mess for him going to Pittsburgh, Jets to Pittsburgh and

503
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: just not really being able to get into a rhythm

504
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 3: with either quarterback.

505
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Speaker 1: So now he's he's.

506
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Speaker 3: Back home, comfy confines with the quarterback he loves and respects.

507
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Speaker 3: And how good is Mike going to be out of

508
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: the gate and can he perform like the Mike Williams

509
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 3: that we.

510
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: Saw exactly two years ago as a member of the Chargers.

511
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 5: To me, yeah, I mean that's a really good question.

512
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 5: We didn't get to see a lot of him during

513
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 5: the off season because he was still kind of working back.

514
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 5: I wasn't covering the Chargers when he was last year,

515
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 5: so I don't I have not watched him play in

516
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 5: person yet, so I'm excited. I want to know what

517
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 5: it's like. I know I love him at the podium

518
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 5: that one day we talked to him. I remember I

519
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 5: walked out, It's great, I asked Pop.

520
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: I was like, is he like that all the time?

521
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 5: So I really hope that he returns to the level

522
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 5: that not only the team hopes, but also what I

523
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 5: think he hopes for himself. He said last year like

524
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 5: last year was quote terrible. He called himself he terrible.

525
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 5: So I appreciate and respect that kind of self awareness,

526
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 5: and I think he wants to reassert himself in this

527
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 5: league as well. Hopefully he's completely healthy for it.

528
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Speaker 7: So here's let me add one thing. On Mike.

529
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Speaker 6: In order to make plays in training camp, the quarterback

530
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 6: has to throw you the football and Justin Herbert one

531
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Speaker 6: of his favorite targets, maybe his favorite target he's ever

532
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 6: played with Mike Williams crunch time. Where was he looking

533
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 6: eighty one? So that is part of the calculus here

534
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Speaker 6: that when Mike is on the field, Justin is going

535
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 6: to be looking his way because that trust factor is

536
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 6: already built in, and you look down the rest of

537
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 6: the receiver depth chart, like who has that level of

538
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 6: trust with Justin?

539
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: Already?

540
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Speaker 6: Lad is in that conversation, but outside of that, that

541
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 6: trust factor isn't really there. You know, you have two

542
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 6: rookies that they're building. Quentin, you know, I don't know

543
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Speaker 6: if he's ever going to be at that level with

544
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Speaker 6: with Justin, just based on how things have gone. So like,

545
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Speaker 6: you know, if Mike is healthy and playing training camp,

546
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 6: like I have an expectation that he's gonna be making

547
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 6: a lot of plays because Justin just trusts him, has

548
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 6: always trusted him. And you know, Justin doesn't say a

549
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 6: lot of the podium, but the one thing he did

550
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 6: say during mini camp is like Mike Williams changes the

551
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 6: way you play football, Like that should tell you everything

552
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 6: you need to know about how Justin feels about Mike Williams.

553
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 6: And so I agree with you, Chris, Like maybe a

554
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 6: guy that people aren't talking about as much, but I

555
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 6: feel like he's going to be impactful just because of

556
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 6: that rapport that's there, and like when things are breaking

557
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 6: down late in the down, you know, there aren't a

558
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 6: lot of guys that Justin trusts to throw the ball

559
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Speaker 6: up to. That's one guy that he absolutely trusts just

560
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Speaker 6: to give him a shot.

561
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: Well, what do you think about this?

562
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Speaker 3: The guy, the guy in New York didn't trust him.

563
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: He trusted Garrett Wilson and his guy, Devonte Adams. His

564
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: first game is a Steeler, Russell Wilson threw it up

565
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 3: and he made one of his Mike Williams signature touchdown catches.

566
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Speaker 1: Is I think is only as a Steeler.

567
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Speaker 3: So I think he still has it in him and

568
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 3: having that chemistry with Justin, I think is going to pay.

569
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Speaker 1: Dividends for him.

570
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Speaker 4: You mispronounced Garrett Wilson and it's Alan Lazard. We've talked

571
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 4: a lot of Randall Cobb. We've talked a lot of

572
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 4: We've talked a lot of offense. But when you look

573
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 4: at this murderer's row of quarterbacks and offenses and play callers,

574
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 4: and you know it's because look, it's Mike Williams, it's

575
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert, it's a first round draft pick, it's big

576
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 4: Mackay Beckton, like you talked about Tootney and just seeing that.

577
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 4: I don't want to call it a novelty, but it

578
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 4: is kind of You're like, this just doesn't make any sense.

579
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 4: As I'm staring at it on the right side of

580
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: the line, like I think we're forgetting that this team

581
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 4: was really carried by Jesse Minner and that defense last year.

582
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 4: And when you look at the lineup of quarterbacks and

583
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 4: teams they went against compared to what it's going to

584
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 4: look like this year. I know it sounds crazy, but

585
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 4: I just I trust the guy. Implicitly. I believe that

586
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 4: much in Jesse Minner as a play caller on that

587
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 4: side of the ball. And if he says we're really

588
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 4: excited to have Dante Jackson and we love the traits

589
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 4: of Ben Saint just and you know we replaced Punaford

590
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 4: with these three guys instead of one, I just I

591
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 4: believe it's gonna work. And I don't know if I'm

592
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 4: crazy for believing that's just placing too much trust into

593
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 4: a guy that just did it for one year against

594
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: that schedule, or if we saw enough that no, you should,

595
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 4: because what this guy did last year and putting every

596
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 4: single player in the exact position where they were able

597
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 4: to thrive and play their best football is just this

598
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: what this particular coordinator and this group of coaches is

599
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 4: able to do. Like, And I'm hopeful because I really

600
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 4: like them, and I know you're not supposed to, you know,

601
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: get emotionally not emotionally attached, but there's just guys you

602
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 4: like in guys you don't, And I really like jesse

603
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: Minner and I want to see it work out again

604
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 4: because it's insane that that guy didn't get a single

605
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 4: interview for a head coaching job in the NFL, let

606
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 4: alone in college football.

607
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think Joe Hortiz and Jim Harball

608
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 5: would just like to keep him their own secret as

609
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 5: long as they can.

610
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: So maybe like maybe.

611
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 5: Jesse Miner doesn't want to be talked about, Maybe they

612
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 5: don't want us to talk about him. We should just

613
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 5: keep it on offense anyway, so they can just keeping

614
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 5: to themselves. But yeah, I'm I'm really interested to see

615
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 5: what jesse Mincher can do with this defense that led

616
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 5: the league in points allowed per game in their first year.

617
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 5: How can you improve on being the best defense already?

618
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 2: You know.

619
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Speaker 5: And one of the interesting things that stood out to

620
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 5: me was Mike Elston said that even though we lost

621
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 5: two starters on the defensive line with Pooniford and Morgan Fox,

622
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 5: he thinks that they're better on the defensive line because

623
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 5: they added nake Won Jones, they added to Sean Hand,

624
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 5: and they also drafted Jamari Caldwell. And I think something

625
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 5: that we talked about initially when we first watched Jamari's

626
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 5: film with Joe Ortiz and we saw him on draft day,

627
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 5: it was like, this guy is giving poona like his

628
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 5: his his film, his skill set, it's giving poona. So

629
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 5: that's a very that's a really exciting and potentially, you know,

630
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 5: easy thing to look for. And like you've you've shown

631
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 5: success with this type of player, You've found a new one.

632
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 5: Let's just keep it rolling.

633
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm, I'm it's it's gonna be a fascinating group,

634
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 6: you know. Like I think we talked about earlier and

635
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 6: money sort of mentioned.

636
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 7: It, like it's it's a really deep group.

637
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 6: I think, like more than anything, I look at some

638
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 6: of these positions and I'm like, who is going to

639
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 6: be the guy now? They might not like necessarily need it,

640
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 6: Like they might just go with a committee approach at

641
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 6: a bunch of these positions all season long, and that

642
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 6: might work. But I think like last year was probably

643
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 6: an ideal scenario right where they went into it thinking

644
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 6: they were going to go buy committee and they had

645
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 6: some of these guys really emerge. Whether that was obviously

646
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 6: Poonaford on the interior, Christian Fulton played really well over

647
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 6: the first half of the season before he had that

648
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 6: hamstring injury. But you know, I think I'm with you money,

649
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 6: Like I just think the guy's a really good coach.

650
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 6: I think the staff is freaking excellent, and I think

651
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 6: they are just gonna be able to get more out

652
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 6: of less. And that's a blessing and a curse, which

653
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 6: we've talked about, you know, throughout this offseason, Like because

654
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 6: they're such a good staff, the front office might think

655
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 6: maybe they don't need as much and maybe we should

656
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 6: invest more in the offense, which wasn't able to do

657
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 6: more with less and so it becomes a curse a

658
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 6: little bit because jesse minterret to sit and wait until

659
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 6: the third round to get a draft pick, you know,

660
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 6: and then they go back to back with Kyle Knard

661
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 6: in the fourth round too.

662
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 7: You know, I think there's there's enough there.

663
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 6: I think the question is, you know, with the schedule

664
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 6: being much tougher, are they going to be that type

665
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 6: of defense, you know, where they're top ten or is

666
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 6: it going to be more middle of the pack. I

667
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 6: don't see them being a bad defense ever, Like I

668
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 6: think just if you give them enough pieces and enough depth,

669
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 6: they're going to.

670
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 7: Be able to to put it together.

671
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 6: And you do have enough you know, star power to

672
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 6: be that type of middle of the pack defense.

673
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 7: You still have Khalil Mack, you still have Derwin James.

674
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 7: But I'm gonna be.

675
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 6: Fascinated to see, like, is it going to be like

676
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 6: last year where they're able to get some of these

677
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 6: guys to become, you know, those blue chip type players.

678
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 6: It does Dante Jackson have seven picks, you know, Jamari Caldwell,

679
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 6: DeShawn Hand one of those guys they emerge and have

680
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 6: that type of production on the interior, or are they

681
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 6: gonna have to take a different approach this year and

682
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 6: really lean into that depth and play a bunch of

683
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 6: guys and be more of a bi committee type defense.

684
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 7: That's really what I'm looking at.

685
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I go back to Michigan when

686
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: when Minter was there. You know, one year you have

687
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: a Jabo and Aiden hutchinsons the is the go to guys.

688
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: The next year you have guys like Chris Jenkins and

689
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: Mason Graham on the interior that kind of carry the

690
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: day for him. So Justesse's been so good at just

691
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,719
Speaker 3: kind of playing to the personnel that he has and

692
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: just going going to.

693
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: The edge group. Obviously, no more Joey Bosa.

694
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: We know Tooley's gonna step into that role, and we

695
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: know who Khalil Mack is obviously. Do you guys think

696
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: that there's enough behind those two or is it something

697
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: where a veteran you know, we named some some some

698
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 3: older guys that are still on the open market that

699
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: maybe could could fill a need on third down or

700
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: you know, kind of supplements of snaps from an edge perspective,

701
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: do you think they need somebody else at edge or

702
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: do you think they're good where they're at.

703
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's it's a wait and see right,

704
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 4: it's I was really surprised at how thick Canard was

705
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 4: that that kind of that that that was one of

706
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: the first things that jumped out at me when the

707
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: rookies hit the field And look at the guy that

708
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: led the league and you know, led his conference in

709
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 4: sacks and the most competitive conference in football. So you

710
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 4: certainly got you know, a base there that that they

711
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 4: can work with. I think we're all, you know, I

712
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 4: think going into last year, we all expected Tully to

713
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 4: take a huge step just based on what he did

714
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 4: and how many you know, just sack creation. You know,

715
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 4: it wasn't he didn't get the sacks, but the sacks

716
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 4: he created. We were like, okay, this now that you

717
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 4: know he's kind of more of a guy, it's it's

718
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 4: going to happen. And so I think we I still

719
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: expect that, I still you know, suspect that he's got

720
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: that that in and we saw it at SC you know,

721
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: and we saw it his rookie season. So the Khalil

722
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 4: Mack part of it's an interesting question because is why

723
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 4: would we you know, it's the Tom Brady effect, right, like,

724
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 4: why are we doubting this, this great, this this potential

725
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer that's proven that age is just a

726
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: number when it comes to him and his work ethic

727
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 4: and how you know. But I do think we've seen

728
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 4: a little you know, that athleticism drop off a little

729
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 4: bit in the last couple of years from Khalil. So

730
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 4: it's an interesting question because there are guys out there,

731
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 4: right I think Zadari's still out there, von Miller's still

732
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 4: out there. It does is there a bud to pre

733
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 4: like player that you'd be able to get, you know,

734
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 4: an older veteran that's coming in as this past specialist

735
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: And does that make sense for one of the fifty

736
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: three spots? And what we talked about is a pretty

737
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 4: deep team.

738
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they're fine. I would be surprised if

739
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 6: they went and brought in another veteran because it felt

740
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 6: like all off season it was like they got to

741
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 6: get younger here, they got to get younger here, They

742
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 6: got to bring in a player who, you know, if

743
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 6: Kalil Mack has done after this season, can you know,

744
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 6: be sort of an ascending, promising player to give them

745
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 6: sort of an exit plan post Khalil.

746
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 7: You know, it's not the group.

747
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 6: It was last year, you know, even though Bosa was

748
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 6: playing through the injury, Like it felt like the edge

749
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 6: group was the engine of the defense and they built

750
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,959
Speaker 6: everything around that group. I don't know if that's necessarily

751
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 6: going to be the case this year, but I think,

752
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 6: you know, at the end of the day, like it

753
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 6: revolves around tu Lee, as Money alluded to, like, I

754
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 6: think he has the capacity to be an elite edge player,

755
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 6: and I think you have to also bring in Okay,

756
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 6: you know, he played the second most special team snaps

757
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 6: of anyone on the roster last year. How much was

758
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 6: that affecting his play on defense. If he's not in

759
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 6: that role this year and can focus exclusively on defense,

760
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 6: you know what happens to the production not just sacks,

761
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 6: but obviously you know pressures as well, and also just

762
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 6: you know, down to downplay.

763
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 7: So I think the group is fine.

764
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 6: I loved kal Kinnard coming out, so I thought it

765
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 6: was a really good pick in the fourth round. I

766
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 6: see a ton of upside, as Money alluded to, Like

767
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 6: he's got the length and the size, and you put

768
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 6: him in a room with Khalil Mack and you feel

769
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 6: like you're going to be able to harness some.

770
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 7: Of that power that he showed off in college.

771
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 6: So I don't know if it's necessarily like going to

772
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 6: be the engine of the team like it was last year,

773
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 6: but I.

774
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 7: Feel like it's a it's a solid group.

775
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 6: I would probably look elsewhere in terms of like, Okay,

776
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 6: these are the positions they might look to improve in

777
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 6: late August.

778
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like they're so excited about Tooley, and

779
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 5: I'm I'm interested to see what Tuley can do when

780
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 5: this is his spot.

781
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 2: I feel like when even though.

782
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 5: Joey was hurt for a really long time and he

783
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 5: didn't play a lot, it still felt like Tooley was

784
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 5: the backup who was elevated, whereas now this is this

785
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,959
Speaker 5: is his spot. He's empowered to be a starter. Jim

786
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 5: Harbond named him as one of his Elite nine now ten.

787
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 7: Hardars of the Team.

788
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: Shout out to Josh hars Uh.

789
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 5: So Touley is empowered and supported to have a starring role,

790
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 5: and I'm really interested to see how he'll respond when

791
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 5: when those kind of expectations not not necessarily expectations in

792
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 5: a bad way, but just like you're allowed to take

793
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 5: up more space, you're allowed to produce more in this way,

794
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 5: like the spot is open for him.

795
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: And I think, as you know, we've seen him as

796
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 2: a local guy.

797
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 5: He grew up here in southern California, went to college here.

798
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 5: We've seen him for a long time, always produce in

799
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 5: every spot that he's been giving.

800
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question, guys.

801
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: Is there any other position battles that we didn't talk

802
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 3: about that you think fans should maybe have their eyes

803
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: on first few days of camp.

804
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if i'd call it a battle,

805
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: but I'm certainly interested to see how it looks with

806
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 4: a healthy non app and deck to meet Junior Colson

807
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 4: out there with Dayon Henley, because that you talked about

808
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: the engine of the defense, Like that could be the

809
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: engine of this defense if Colson's who we think he

810
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 4: is and Deayon's and I believe Deon's going to be

811
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 4: in the conversation as the best off ball linebacker in

812
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 4: the league in short order, Like that's the one I'm

813
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: looking at on that side of the ball.

814
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was the one I was gonna bring up.

815
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 6: Sorry, Daniel, No, No, it's it's it's a great point

816
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 6: I go back to, like there's certain moments in training

817
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 6: camp that just stick in your mind.

818
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 7: You know.

819
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 6: One that's always stuck in my mind is like, We'shawn

820
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 6: Slater's first rep in one on one pass pro against

821
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 6: Joey Bosa when he was coming out in twenty twenty one.

822
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 6: You just like, Okay, that guy's gonna be good, right,

823
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 6: Like I think, you just have those moments. I remember

824
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 6: last year in training camp, I was staying it next

825
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 6: to Money. It was like Junior's first time back and

826
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 6: team drills and they were doing a nine on seven

827
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 6: run drill and he just explodes through the line of scrimmage,

828
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 6: blows up a screen pass and we look at each

829
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 6: other and it's just like you have that moment like.

830
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's gonna be good.

831
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 6: So I think, like, you know, there's a lot of

832
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 6: parallels between dayon Junior. You know, Dayan is a rookie,

833
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 6: had that hamstring injury in the preseason, never really was

834
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 6: able to find his footing, get snaps on defense. It

835
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 6: kind of just derailed his rookie season. And it was

836
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 6: very similar with Junior, you know, between the app and deck.

837
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 6: To me, he gets back on the field, he has

838
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 6: an ankle injury, he goes on ir and never really

839
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 6: found his footing. Day On in year two emerges as

840
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 6: a breakout season. I could see a very similar path

841
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 6: for Junior, but he's again like you go down the list,

842
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 6: it's like, Okay, this guy should start, but they've got

843
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 6: other options, right, Like, I think they love what Denzel

844
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 6: brings if he can stay healthy, you know, as a

845
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 6: as a run defender in his violence and physicality, and

846
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 6: Troy Die played some really good ball on defense, right,

847
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 6: So it's like he's got to be in the mix

848
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 6: based on how he played last year, and he saw

849
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 6: the contract he signed, so obviously they value him. So

850
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 6: it's going to be a fun competition there. I think,

851
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 6: like you know, Davarro Bowman sort of said it during

852
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 6: the offseason where he was like, we have a plan

853
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 6: as far as what we want to happen. I think,

854
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 6: you know, the indication there is that, like they want

855
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 6: day On and Junior next to each other, but like

856
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 6: everywhere else, he's gonna have to earn.

857
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 7: It's gonna fascinating to watch.

858
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: I totally agree.

859
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 5: I'm really excited to see Junior see what he can

860
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 5: do in his second season. The other thing I would

861
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 5: I would be interested in is again, I don't know

862
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 5: if this is a competition, and we briefly mentioned him,

863
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 5: but I want to see what Tarkeep still can do

864
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 5: in his second year. He had a really breakout rookie season.

865
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 5: I think they thought of him mostly as kind of

866
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 5: a nickel guy, and we watched him during the off

867
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 5: season line.

868
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: Up a lot at the outside.

869
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 5: I know versatility is a big part of what that

870
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 5: secondary does, so I'm interested to see if he can

871
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 5: become one of those outside corner guys or if that

872
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 5: was just kind of an experiment they're going to try.

873
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 5: Who knows, and then what he stills progression means for

874
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 5: Cam Hart.

875
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: I think Cam both of them fifth round picks.

876
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 5: I think Cam got slowed down a little bit with

877
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 5: some injuries, and he also was out most of the

878
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 5: off season with that shoulder injury. And what he's going

879
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 5: to be able to do when when they get back.

880
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: So what those two fifth rounders now in.

881
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 5: Their second year can kind of progress into for the

882
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 5: Chargers on that defense.

883
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 3: You know, I'll name one guy from that class too,

884
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 3: and it would just you look, Joe Horty's what he

885
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: did with with All and Ladd in the first two rounds.

886
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: If Junior pops away, that I think a lot of

887
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: us expect him to in year two. You mentioned the

888
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 3: two fifth round corners. What about that fourth round defensive

889
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: tackle that they keep saying put on thirty pounds of

890
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: muscle and has been in the weight room and maybe

891
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: can make that lead from year one to year two

892
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: and Justin a boy bee, I mean, if he can

893
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 3: be a key part of that rotation. Just look at

894
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: that draft class that Joe put together last year with

895
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: all of those guys contributing, that could be something. And

896
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: then you know, Bunny, we always know that there's gonna

897
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 3: be rookies that.

898
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: Pop at some point.

899
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 3: So you know, Gatson seems to be the one that

900
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: they got a lot of buzz this offseason and just

901
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 3: adding him to that tight ends room it seems to

902
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: be a good thing for Justin Herbert company.

903
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 4: I'll just finish with that, and a button on it

904
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: is that remember that goes both ways. Like, look, draft

905
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 4: picks are great, but you know they had what eight

906
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: this year, ten last year. There's a lot of young guys,

907
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: So the idea that they're all going to hit and

908
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 4: somehow it's it's a failure if they all don't. Like

909
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 4: that's a lot of young dudes. So when Cornelius Johnson

910
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 4: and Brendan Rice and the seventh you know, if it's Triquez,

911
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 4: Bridges and Mickens, like if for some reason those guys

912
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 4: are on the practice squad and they need to be developed,

913
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: like it's perfectly normal. It's perfectly normal. Like, you know,

914
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: not every fourth rounder is going to come in and

915
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 4: be Max Crosby from the jump. You know, there are

916
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 4: justin a boy be's out there that just need time,

917
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 4: you know, and you got to develop them and you

918
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 4: hope that they're able to take that next step. So

919
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 4: would you like all of your draft picks to be

920
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 4: great and stick with the team. Absolutely, But as we

921
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 4: saw last year, you know, it's just not it's not

922
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 4: necessarily the way that it that it always works out.

923
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 7: Yeah.

924
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

925
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 6: And it's a spectrum too, right, Like a fourth round

926
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 6: pick hitting doesn't mean that guy becomes an all pro. Like,

927
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 6: if that guy can carve out a role in any

928
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 6: capacity on the roster, then that can still be categorized

929
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 6: as a as a hit on the pick. So I

930
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 6: think that's what you're looking for or for some of

931
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 6: these later round draft picks, can they come in and

932
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 6: be an impact special teams player. Can they give you

933
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 6: fifteen snaps a game on the interior as a defensive lineman,

934
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 6: like those are still value adds to the team. And

935
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 6: I think that's that gets lost a little bit, that

936
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 6: there is a spectrum, there's nuance to you know, hitting,

937
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 6: so to speak on draft picks.

938
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 5: I think something that I was thinking about earlier is

939
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 5: I was talking to Raean about something in the locker

940
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 5: room and he said, people forget that the NFL.

941
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: People are still allowed to develop. In the NFL. You

942
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: don't just show up and you're who you are forever.

943
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 5: People have long careers if like you said, pop, like

944
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 5: just carve out small roles every single year and that's

945
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 5: that success and that helps you stick around. So just

946
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 5: because they don't appear to be this this starter immediately,

947
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 5: like you know, we love to celebrate a rookie like

948
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 5: Ladd or Joe Joealt and they are were off to

949
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 5: great careers as well, But that doesn't mean that if

950
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 5: you don't hit immediately and you don't become a star

951
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 5: in your first year, like, that doesn't mean that you're

952
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 5: you don't have potential to still stick around for a

953
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 5: long time in this league.

954
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'll just quickly before we get out of here, Chris,

955
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 4: I'll just say two words. Dean Leonard. Yeah, what a

956
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 4: sixth seventh round pick. One of their best special teams players.

957
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 4: And last year before he got hurt, we were like,

958
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 4: ooh that that might be their outside corner. So like that,

959
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: that's there's still potential for Dean Leonard to make this team.

960
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 4: And because he is that good on special teams, and

961
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 4: you would assume Ryan Ficken's going to fight for him

962
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 4: to keep him on the fifty three. And man, we

963
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 4: thought he was tracking to be that guy, not tarheb

964
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 4: Still or cam Hart. You know that that he was

965
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 4: going to end up being that dude opposite Chrisian Fulton

966
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 4: that was going to get out there, you know, or

967
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 4: with the Sante Samuel. I should say that it was

968
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 4: going to be part of that mix.

969
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: Yep, guys, this was fun.

970
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 3: Well I have to do this again when the fifty

971
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 3: three gets released, so Poper can can either celebrate or.

972
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 7: I'll only join. I will only join in celebration.

973
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: This is the year's gonna to the highs and lows

974
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: is gonna join us.

975
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: We know that to me will be here. So I

976
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: got to bring.

977
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 2: Back the number so I hope I can be back.

978
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: He's our key to the Number Game. We got to

979
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 4: bring back the Number Game this year, boys and gal.

980
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, we have to Yes, you

981
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 4: were not here when we ran when when our when

982
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 4: our man Eric ran the Number Game. But it's time

983
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 4: I think to uh, were you here, Popper, you were

984
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 4: here right when we were running it? Or no, you're

985
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 4: looking at me kind of quizzical.

986
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 7: Refresh my memory.

987
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: When we uh, we each get to pull. I think

988
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 4: we pull three numbers and uh, if they're no, we

989
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: pull one number. You pull one number, so zero through nine,

990
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 4: it's the last number of a jersey, and whichever number

991
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 4: amasses the most points you win the week. And we

992
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 4: did it with all the all the beat writers and

993
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 4: us in the booth. And it was a fun way

994
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 4: to uh get a little extra something in the game.

995
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 4: In case it gets away from you, thank you keep

996
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 4: keep yourself interested. It's it's something we got to bring

997
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 4: back this year. Absolutely for us to to get the

998
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 4: get the interaction.

999
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 7: It's pure though it's purely it's pure lock.

1000
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: There's no pure lock, yes, pure luck. But going into

1001
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 4: the game, you would be like, oh, got eight. It's

1002
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 4: a bad run. D you know, I got you know,

1003
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 4: and and so like you would get those, you'd get

1004
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 4: the zero from Austin and you'd be all jacked, and

1005
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: then you'd kind of think about good defense and you'd

1006
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: pull the kicker and you're like, oh, kicker might be

1007
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 4: the way to guy. It's just it's pure lock. You're

1008
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 4: just pulling the number out of a out of a hat.

1009
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 4: But you know, there's wild.

1010
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 7: I think I think that might have been my first

1011
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 7: might have been your first season.

1012
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 4: Let's bring it back though, Let's let's let's discuss it

1013
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: at training camp. And that's the most important thing to

1014
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: come out of this podcast today.

1015
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: Game back starting in sal Paulo.

1016
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 4: That's right. Appreciate you starting canting, Chris. Pre season pre

1017
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 4: seasons plenty.

1018
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: It's for those who are watching this. You probably see

1019
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: it all a Friday. We're taping this on a Thursday,

1020
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 3: so exactly three weeks we will have preseason football and

1021
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: can't Ohio, Detroit.

1022
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: Lions, Chargers, Baby, let's go alright, guys, for tu me,

1023
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: for Popper, and for money. I'm Chris. This has been

1024
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: Chargers Week.