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Speaker 1: what's going on? Welcome to move the sticks. DJ Bucky

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Speaker 1: here as we marched towards the NFL scouting combine, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I think I've got eleven days until I need to

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Speaker 1: I think I think we get like this obviously when

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just take one position and we'll go through

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Speaker 1: it today, Buck, just the running back position to kind

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Speaker 1: this dude in the fourth round, fourth fifth round. I've

428
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,560
Speaker 1: got a little playmaker that I can use screen draws.

429
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,400
Speaker 1: I get him involved in the return game. He has

430
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,920
Speaker 1: some experience there, guys, A football player, man, I don't

431
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,440
Speaker 1: care how littally is okay, DJ. Now, I know that

432
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,639
Speaker 1: we are supposed to judge guys based on what they

433
00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,320
Speaker 1: did solely in college, but sometimes some of the high

434
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 1: school stuff leaks in. J. J. Taylor is a Southern

435
00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,879
Speaker 1: California legend for what he was able to do in

436
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 1: high school. Playing at Corona Centennial, you talk about a

437
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,159
Speaker 1: guy that was five six and you're talking about him

438
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 1: being one eight five. He might have been one sixty

439
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,560
Speaker 1: five s Centennial, but he was unstoppable when he had

440
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,800
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. His toughness, his competitiveness, and

441
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,840
Speaker 1: if anyone who has seen Corona Centennial play, for me

442
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 1: to describe it on air, would be imagine watching an

443
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,919
Speaker 1: offensive line where the splits are like four ft split,

444
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 1: so these huge holes between these offensive lines. Do you

445
00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 1: have a little running back that you're handing the ball

446
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 1: and he is just shooting through there like a jitterbug.

447
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,119
Speaker 1: His ability to make plays is real, And I know what, Arizona,

448
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 1: he didn't get a full opportunity to kind of display

449
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 1: everything that he has. But like you said, at the

450
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 1: end of the year, when we saw Boston Scott for

451
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles kind of make plays. That's when these

452
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 1: guys begin to really factor into it late in the year,

453
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 1: when everyone is tired. If you can have a little

454
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 1: juice player, a player that maybe he's been on the

455
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 1: practice squad for the first half of the season, or

456
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 1: he hasn't gotten many reps, but he has fresh legs.

457
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 1: We used to call those guys salad salad guys because

458
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 1: they're all fresh and crispy. If he if he has

459
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 1: an opportunity to play for a team down the stretch man,

460
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 1: his freshness, his juice, could really energize an offense. I

461
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: love it well that this is a This is just

462
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 1: a one example here of of kind of how you

463
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 1: try and get set up as you go to the combay. Now,

464
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 1: obviously there's more draftable running backs beyond that list, but

465
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 1: these are kind of those are my top tier guys.

466
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of highlight those. Um, and we'll

467
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: see how it all sorts out. Buck. We have some

468
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 1: other things we need to get to here, but we

469
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Speaker 1: do have some breaking news. So Phil up Rivers and

470
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 1: the Chargers have come out with a statement that says

471
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Speaker 1: they've mutually agreed that Rivers will enter free agency. Um,

472
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you some of these quotes, Buck, and

473
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 1: then we can kind of talk about what this means.

474
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Speaker 1: This is from Tom to LESCo, the general manager. After

475
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: stepping back a little bit from last season, we reconnected

476
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Speaker 1: with Philip and his representatives to look at how two

477
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen played out, assess our future goals, evaluate the

478
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 1: current state of the roster, and see if there was

479
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: a path forward that made sense for both parties. As

480
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 1: we talked through various scenarios, it became apparent that it

481
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Speaker 1: would be best for Philip and the Chargers to turn

482
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 1: the page and what has been a truly what has

483
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: truly been a remarkable run. We agreed that making this

484
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 1: decision well before free agency would allow everyone to put

485
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 1: themselves in the best position for success in I've said

486
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 1: before that Philip can still compete at a top starter level,

487
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 1: and in a perfect world, number seventeen is your quarterback forever. Obviously,

488
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: we live in an imperfect world where the only constant

489
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: has changed. I think Philip's tremendous perspective, both when it

490
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: comes to football and when it comes to life, helped

491
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Speaker 1: lend clarity to a very complex situation. Uh That was

492
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: from Tom Talasco here's Rivers. Um. I'm grateful to the

493
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Speaker 1: Spannels family and the Chargers organization for the last sixteen years.

494
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 1: And anything you do, it's the people you do it

495
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: with and make it special. There's so many relationships and

496
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: memories with coaches, support staff, teammates that will last forever,

497
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: and for that I am so thankful. I never took

498
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: for granted, uh the opportunity to lead this team out

499
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: on the field for two thirty five games. We had

500
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Speaker 1: a lot of great moments, beginning in San Diego and

501
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: then finishing in l A. I wish my teammates and

502
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: coaches nothing but the best moving forward. Not sure what

503
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: the future holds, but my family and I look forward

504
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 1: to seeing what God has planned for us next. UM.

505
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: So there you go. Buck your your thoughts on the

506
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: Charges in Philip Rivers. Going in opposite directions now well

507
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: comple different things. One tremendous amount of respect for what

508
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers has accomplished. Um. He talked about two thirty

509
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 1: five games. Ultimately, when you draft a quarterback, a quarterback

510
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: at the top of the board, you hope that he

511
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: can be a guy that is dependable and reliable and

512
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: is able to show up each and every week. By definition,

513
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: that is what the expectation and standard of a franchise

514
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: quarterback is each and every week. I know my quarterback

515
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: is going to be in there. I think when you

516
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: look at his career, look, they've been tremendous highs and

517
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: I think Philip Rivers has played at a high level. Um,

518
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: if he had UM Super Bowl rings and those things,

519
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: I think he's a shoe wind to get to the

520
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. He doesn't necessarily have that. I think

521
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: the biggest thing with Philip Rivers where we are now,

522
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers has struggled with turnovers the last couple of years.

523
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: He's always been a gun slinger in those things. But

524
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: sometimes when you get older, your mind thinks that you

525
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: can do things that your body physically can do, so

526
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: your mind writes checks that your body can't cash. Can

527
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers have an honest self assessment and see where

528
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: he is and can he meet up with a coach

529
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: that can meet him halfway? And will he be willing

530
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: to kind of tone down his playing style to kind

531
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: of fit where you can play winning football. That would

532
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: be my my thing. Can he find a way to

533
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: look at himself and understand what his strengths and weaknesses

534
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: are now in your sixteen year seventeen as opposed to

535
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: what they were your one and you two when he

536
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: entered the league. Yeah, I think when you look at it,

537
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: last year was really the turnovers. You know, we're kind

538
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 1: of exploded, UM, and you know it's you can't. It's tough,

539
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't win football games when you're turning

540
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: the ball over that much is what happened there. But

541
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: when you look at what he did previously, I'm pulling

542
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: up the number right now, Buck he had he only

543
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: had he had the previous two years. Um, he had

544
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: thirty two touchdowns, twelve picks, twenty touchdowns, ten picks. So

545
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: that's that's winning football. I mean, when you can do

546
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: that when you're when you're keeping your limiting your turnovers

547
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: to that to that degree, he had twenty this year,

548
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: twenty three touchdowns, twenty picks. Um. You know, I haven't

549
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: seen this team eaching every week. I think you can

550
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: attribute some of that to the pressure that he was under, UM,

551
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: but you can't. You can't defend some of the decisions

552
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: that were made. So I think, to me, the biggest

553
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: thing for Philip is going somewhere where he has really,

554
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 1: really firm, good protection. UM, And that's why I've been

555
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: beating this drum the whole time. I think that the

556
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: team that makes the most sense as Indianapolis Colts UM

557
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: because of the familiarity with the scheme with Frank Reich,

558
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: but also because of the offensive line they have right

559
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: now there. I think that makes the most sense for him,

560
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: and I think he's capable. Even at thirty eight years old.

561
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: I still think you can get a couple of years

562
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: out of him at a pretty high level. But I

563
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: do think protection matters for him, maybe more so than

564
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: any other the starting quarterbacks in the NFL right now.

565
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: It's funny that you talked about the ending up his coats,

566
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: because it does fit and if it's on a few

567
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: different levels. You talked about this game with Frank Right

568
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: obviously has been around Philip Rivers. He understands his strengths

569
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: and weaknesses. He certainly can build a game playing around

570
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: what Rivers does. Um. The coach Frank Right, there has

571
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: to be a level of respect between player and coach

572
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: and coaching player, and I think they have that mutual respect.

573
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: I think Philip will submit to the hard coaching that

574
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: Frank Wright may need to do to help him play

575
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 1: at a higher level. And then the last point is

576
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: the offensive line, the end of up of his coast.

577
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: For all of the things that they've done, the best

578
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: thing that they've done is really build a fortress upfront.

579
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: They can run the football with Marlon Mack or anybody else,

580
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: but up front they're really solid. And where Philip Rivers

581
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: is now this stage of his career, and this is

582
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: true for all older quarterbacks, the older you are, the

583
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: more you need to support to be there and available.

584
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: The better to supporting cast has to play. Philip Rivers

585
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: is not needed to carry the team every week. But

586
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, you would like they have the

587
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback to be able to win four to five

588
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: games down the stretch on his experience, his wisdom, his

589
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: zeal and all those other things. I think the Indianapolis

590
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: Coast can put Philip Rivers in a situation where he

591
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: only needs to win four or five that they can

592
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: win him with the other parts of the team. I

593
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: just don't think he could continue to be a guy

594
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: who has to shoulder the entire workload to be responsible

595
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: solely for winning games. Yeah, and I think it's you know,

596
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 1: at this point in time, we said the same thing

597
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: about Tom Brady. I don't know that you want to

598
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: go someplace and have to learn an entire new system.

599
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: So if you are going to move on to me

600
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: the Colts, the familiarity there, um, I think that would

601
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: be a smooth transition. We'll see what other opportunities present

602
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: themselves that you know, you've got the Raiders. Do you

603
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: hear that one mentioned out there? Who knows what they're

604
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: gonna do? Tampa is another one, although I just don't think,

605
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, as much vertical as they want to do.

606
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: And I think as he gets later in his career,

607
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's really going to be uh

608
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: what Philip wants to do or is in his sweet spot.

609
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: Although they got tremendous weapons to throw to out there. Um,

610
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: that's another one to keep an eye on. The Bears,

611
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: you know, do they bring in you know, they try

612
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: and bring him in and and uh and you know,

613
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: try and move on from Mitch Trobisky. I don't know.

614
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that would happen, but that's a that's

615
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: another possibility. Any other teams that come to your mind.

616
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: The only team that comes to mind, and some of

617
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: this has to do with his college days, I would

618
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: say the Carolina Panthers. And the only reason why I

619
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: would say to Carolina pan that is that is actually

620
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: a good one. The Carolina Panthers he played in SC

621
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: stayed if they move on from camp, and just depending

622
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: up on how the Carolina Panthers attempt to kind of

623
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: rebuild their team. If they rebuild it one, they have

624
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: a running back behind him and Christie McCaffrey where they

625
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: can run the football, they can pound the football and

626
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: do some of those things. And I know Joe Brady

627
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: is running this offense and they're doing a lot of

628
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: the things that the New Orleans Saints have done with

629
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. Well, I think if Joe Brady is smart

630
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: and he pops in some of that tape of Drew

631
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: Brees of late, they've also had to kind of tone

632
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: down their offense to accommodate a quarterback who may not

633
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: have the same arm talent that he wants possessed. And

634
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: so for Rivers, could Rivers playing a scheme like that.

635
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: I do believe that there's some kind of crossover that

636
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: would work. But I think the Carolina Panthers would be

637
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: a good situation because he does have a natural tie

638
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: into the fan base, and I think for maybe a

639
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: two year period maybe he could offer them. It's just

640
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: a matter of does he want to play for a

641
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: team that may not look like they're ready to compete

642
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: at a high level on paper? All right? Can I

643
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Speaker 1: give you one one other connection there? So Philip Rivers

644
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: went to NC State. His his strength and conditioning coach

645
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Speaker 1: at that time was a guy named Pat Meyer. Pat

646
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: Meyer would then leave strength and conditioning would go into

647
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: coaching become an offensive line coach. Pat Meyer has spent

648
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: the last twelve years as the offensive line coach and

649
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: run game coordinator with the Los Angeles Chargers. Pat Meyer

650
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: just left the Los Angeles Chargers and as the offensive

651
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: line coach of the Carolina Panthers. So you have a

652
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: very very close connection there. Uh, somebody that knows Philip

653
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: Rivers going all the way back to his college days

654
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Speaker 1: and through the bulk of his NFL career um and

655
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Speaker 1: they are having, you know, having worked with the team

656
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. They have a great relationship,

657
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: very close. So he would definitely have an advocate there.

658
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: In Meyer. Look, it may it may work. So right

659
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Speaker 1: there you you We've listed the indist Colts, uh, the

660
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders, the Carolina Panthers. I think I would go Colts.

661
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: I think I would go Colts Panthers. I think I

662
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: think just kind of workshopping this thing as we're talking

663
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: about breaking news. I think those two teams make the

664
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Speaker 1: most sense. Now. I think they do make a They

665
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: do make a lot of sense. I think it has

666
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Speaker 1: to be the right situation, coach, scheme, offensive line all tho.

667
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: Those things have to work. But I fully expect him

668
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Speaker 1: to play in twenty. It's just a matter of him

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00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: finding a right fit for him, no doubt. Um, all right, buck,

670
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: let's let's get to this the grading scale conversation here

671
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: because uh, Lance pumped out this new grading scale and

672
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: we have it. We'll actually tweet it out, why don't we. Uh, Yeah,

673
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Speaker 1: we're tweeted it. We'll tweet it. I'll tweet it out.

674
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Speaker 1: You'll tweet it out and move the six at Bucky Brooks.

675
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: You'll find it. Um, we'll tweet it out. But we

676
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: want you guys to be able to start speaking the

677
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: same language with us as we're talking about players, and

678
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: we might drop grades on some of these guys, and

679
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: so you just really if you just kind of print

680
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: this this grading scale out, you'll know exactly what we're

681
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: talking about. And UM, I kind of feel like you're

682
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: you're part of the scouting staff here that we've kind

683
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Speaker 1: of assembled. It's almost like we're the thirty third UH

684
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: scouting department here book. Um. But the importance of the

685
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: grading scale in general, Buck and UH, and just how

686
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: it's different from team to team. You know, the importance

687
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: of the grading scale is what you want to do

688
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: when you created grading scales. You want all your scouts

689
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: and coaches and everyone involved with evaluating players to speak

690
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: the same language. And so there's a lot made of

691
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Speaker 1: like in the Twitter verse about ahead of first round

692
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Speaker 1: grade on this guy, I thought he the fourth round

693
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Speaker 1: grade or whatever. And I just want everyone in DJ

694
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: and I have talked about this. We want everyone to

695
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: understand that there's a correlation between what round value you

696
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: assigned to her prospect with how you expect him to

697
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: play very early in his career. And it's very important

698
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Speaker 1: that you kind of understand that and that the grades

699
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: are not really made based on where guys are going

700
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Speaker 1: to get picked on draft day for other teams or whatever.

701
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: But really how you envision the player coming and playing

702
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: on your team and how he fits. And so that's

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Speaker 1: why grades are like snowflakes, especially as it goes from

704
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: team to team. Didn't know two grades that are ever

705
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: arelike like you just have different grading skills, different visions.

706
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: Some teams want to evaluate players for their team, others

707
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: grading for the league. And so when we look at

708
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: this grading skill that has been created, where eight oh

709
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Speaker 1: is the top of the board, ATO is number one

710
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: pick means he's the perfect prospect. So you're talking about

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Speaker 1: gold jacket worthy a guy with few flaws. Atos never

712
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: really be thrown out there. I've never thrown out at

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Speaker 1: a doh Um, I never had the luxury of being

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Speaker 1: every one. I'll never do it again. Who did you

715
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Speaker 1: put an AI? That was my one? That was? I

716
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Speaker 1: mean I went high? I didn't. I didn't I didn't

717
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: I didn't go that high, but I went high. Um

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Speaker 1: on this greating scale, we're talked about a perennial all

719
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Speaker 1: pro talent and a lot of people will um push back,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean? A perennial all pro talent? Where

721
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Speaker 1: when you see a guy he dominates to the point

722
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Speaker 1: where you can just envision him stepping right into the

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Speaker 1: league and in year one dominating the game, dominating the game,

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Speaker 1: and and and in such a manner that he not

725
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Speaker 1: only collects like an offensive or defensive Rookie of the

726
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: Year award, but he is a pro bowler or an

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Speaker 1: all Pro player that everyone sees him as one of

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Speaker 1: the top two or three at his position immediately. That's

729
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff I think a guy that would

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Speaker 1: qualify for this now based on how he played for sure,

731
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Speaker 1: and the way he was drafted. Nick Bosa. Nick Bosa

732
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Speaker 1: was a high at number two, played like he was

733
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Speaker 1: the second overall pick. That would be the perfect example

734
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Speaker 1: of if I'm gonna throw a grade on a guy,

735
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Speaker 1: I want him to look like that and play like

736
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Speaker 1: that at the end of his rookie season, no doubt,

737
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: and and kind of when you go through the whole scale,

738
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Speaker 1: and and again we'll tweet it out. You guys can

739
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: look at it, but really it's talking about, you know,

740
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: what you see in him as a player. That's where

741
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: I would focus on. Now, when you look to the

742
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: left column, you'll see there we kind of just put

743
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Speaker 1: the rounds in there of traditionally where these players will

744
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: fall in in the draft. Um. But you know there's

745
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: some teams that grade off rounds. Um. I think that

746
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: the better way to look at it is, Okay, what

747
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: is he? Is he? You know from the different categories

748
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: from you know, perennial all pro to you know, a

749
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl type player to a quality starter. Um. Two,

750
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Speaker 1: we have the Boomer Bust grade which is the six five,

751
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: which I'll get to that in just a second. Um.

752
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: Then you've got you know, potential future starters and you

753
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 1: go all the way down to backups role players, so

754
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: to me, you kind of put them in in those buckets.

755
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: And then that kind of correlates with word traditionally what

756
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: round those guys traditionally going yeah, I'm I'm, I'm I'm

757
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: all about it, Like I think, you just have to

758
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: kind of understand, and it takes a while for guys

759
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: to kind of slot it to to kind of understand

760
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: how it fits in terms of making the the grade

761
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: and the words and the way you write it up

762
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: kind of match up. And then when you work for

763
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: a team, there are other factors that kind of help

764
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: you compute the grade to get you to the point

765
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: where you kind of land you at a certain area

766
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: based on critical factors, based on position specifics and character

767
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: and some of the other things. But if you can

768
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: take this grading skill and as you're beginning to um

769
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: evaluate players in this process and looking at how that

770
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: you see them playing, how you see them as either

771
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl talents or Day one starters from the time

772
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: they walk off the plane, that is how you begin

773
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: to kind of affix grades to that. And we'll give

774
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: you a more realistic view on how we stack and

775
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: in and so everyone understands and I learned this from

776
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: Ron Wolf. Ron Wolf would say that in most drafts

777
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: and most draft classes, in the first round, there are

778
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 1: about twenty to twenty four prospects that are really first

779
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: round picks, and so you should be very very stringent

780
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Speaker 1: upon what you really throw a first round grade on,

781
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: Like those guys need to really be worthy of being

782
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: first round picks. Not saying that they'll get picked there,

783
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: but when you gray them, this is what a first

784
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: rounder looks like. Because we tend to make mistakes in

785
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: the scouting thing. Well, he I feel like he's gonna

786
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: be picked in the first round, so I'm gonna put

787
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: that on there. Then when we get them and we

788
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: look at him like, man, why do we take this

789
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: guy in the first round when we knew he wasn't

790
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: really a guy that could be an impact starter or whatever.

791
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: So always hold it to that ideal standard for what

792
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: you want a guy to play like um coming into

793
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: the league, no doubt, um And And we're gonna continue

794
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: to talk about this, uh, this greening skill as we

795
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: go through the spring and March towards the draft. There's

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00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: one other conversation I want to have here book. I

797
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: know Philip Rivers and that chet took up some of

798
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: our time here, but um one of our our mutual friends,

799
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Washburn, who start out and scouting with me with

800
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens, then went into coaching, was an offensive

801
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: line coach in the NFL for a decade plus with

802
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: the Lions, the Bears, the Dolphins. Um And then has

803
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: now been with the Philadelphia Eagles last year and then

804
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: this year, which just announced he's going to be the

805
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: director of player personnel as well as um is gonna

806
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: help coach on the defensive line, so he's gonna be

807
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: like a senior defensive assistant or exactly what the title is.

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00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna help on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: And it's something that we've talked about off the year

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Speaker 1: about the advantages of having somebody with knowledge from the

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Speaker 1: other side of the ball in your in your room,

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00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: in your position group, and and with him being able

813
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: to help a defensive line and and help them understand

814
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: how to attack the weaknesses in the scheme they might

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Speaker 1: be playing against that week, to be able to evaluate

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00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: the offensive line personnel and no, okay, this guy cannot

817
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: handle this, that or the other, help you craft a

818
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: game plan of how to attack schemes and players. It

819
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense when you think about it,

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00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: of having knowledge on the other side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: And you brought up a couple other great examples of

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00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: guys who have experience on one side were helping the other. Yeah, DJ,

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00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: this this cross training model is something that is fascinating,

824
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: but it's also something that goes all the way back. Um,

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00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: and I know some of our listeners won't even know

826
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Speaker 1: who this coach is, but Tom Landry, uh famous coach

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Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys. Tom Landry was the defensive coordinator

828
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Speaker 1: for the New York gizz yet when he was the

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Speaker 1: head coach for the Dallas Cowboys, he called the offense.

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Speaker 1: So if you can just think about that, Tom Landry

831
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: was known for being a defensive mind. But yet he

832
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Speaker 1: goes to the Dallas Cowboys and as the head coach,

833
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: he is the guy that is calling the offensive plays.

834
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Speaker 1: And as you think about that, typically, if I'm a

835
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Speaker 1: defensive back, I know offense. I know wide receivers, I

836
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Speaker 1: know what they do. I know what gives me problems

837
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Speaker 1: when I am in average. I can use that knowledge

838
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: to help someone know, Hey, here's what we should be

839
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: looking for when we're evaluating wide receivers. These are the

840
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: kind of guys that give us problems from the defensive standpoint. So,

841
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: from a personnel standpoint, understanding the kind of players that

842
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: give defenders problems. From a schematic standpoint, it is understanding

843
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: what offenses do better. Yet it's understanding how defenses play.

844
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Speaker 1: So Righthey, Morris, the past couple of years spent time

845
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: for the Atlanta Falcons. He had been a defensive coordinator

846
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: in Tampa, he was a head coach. He goes to Atlanta,

847
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: starts to deep, they move him the past game coordinator

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Speaker 1: on offense. Well, he is able to sit there and

849
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: talk to the offensive coordinator about, Hey, here the weaknesses

850
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: of this coverage. Here's the weaknesses of this defense that

851
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: they're playing. And that knowledge should be advantage because now

852
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: the offense understands how to attack. And so when you're

853
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: able to tap into someone who is coming from the

854
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: other side of the ball, they give you a level

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00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: of knowledge and expertise that you don't have, and it

856
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: should really elevate your ability to come up with game

857
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Speaker 1: plans that allow you to attack the biggest weaknesses. Yeah,

858
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: I look, it goes all the way back as you mentioned, Buck,

859
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: and I think Jim Shortz is smart for uh for

860
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: incorporating this, and we'll see. I think you're gonna see

861
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: more and more of it around the league, having guys

862
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: with experience and putting them in those rooms, um seeing

863
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: if they can they can really help you out there.

864
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: And I'm fascinated to see where it goes from here

865
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: to the evaluating part, because as we went through that

866
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: cluster of players of running backs, what happens is, you know,

867
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: from a scouting standpoint, you'll give those different clusters to

868
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: your running back coach and you'll ask him to rank

869
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: within that cluster one to three, one to one to three.

870
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: Just however, you have those guys ordered, you don't ask

871
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: him to compare the top cluster of the bottom cluster.

872
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: Just just inside those individual clusters, stack them, And I think, man,

873
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: you know, if if you're running a team right now,

874
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: I would take that same cluster and I would go

875
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: over to the linebacker coach and I would say, coach,

876
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: rank these guys, watch them, rank them? Would you not

877
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: who would give you fits? Who would you not want

878
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: to play against? And give me that same order. It

879
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: might might be interesting to see what you find there

880
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: when you get guys. Uh, you know, like like Alvin

881
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: Kamaras is one that's interesting. You know, if he comes

882
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: when he comes out, we loved him, We put big

883
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: grades on him, but the league kind of had him

884
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: pushed down a little bit. Well, I guarantee a defensive

885
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 1: coordinators sit there and watch him go and wait a second,

886
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to defend this guy's a nightmare. Uh,

887
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: same thing for Christian McCaffrey and all those types of backs. Yeah, DJ,

888
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: I think it works. I also think um and I

889
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: use it more recently with the athletic quarterbacks. Um, there

890
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: was a trend there for a long time. The guys

891
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: who had the mobile run around quarterbacks were all defensive coaches.

892
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: Why defensive defensive coaches understand the problems that those guys present. Uh,

893
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: Luck and Buffalo, Sean McDermott and Josh Allen. John Harbaugh

894
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: is a special teams guy, but he spent time on

895
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: defenside of the ball. He has Lamar Jackson. I mean

896
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: it just goes on on Ron Rivera when he had

897
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: Cam Newton. It goes on and on. So there is

898
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: some uh validity to what you're talking about when it

899
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: comes to cross training and cross references across referencing. It's

900
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: because when you work on one side of the ball,

901
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: you know what gives you problems from the other side. Uh,

902
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: if you tap into that, it could be very very

903
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: advantageous for you. I think it's fun. I think it's

904
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: a fun conversation to have their. UM. I do want

905
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: to add this buck before we before we roll out

906
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: of here. UM, we have our big Our Answer podcast,

907
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: Question and Answer podcast coming up on Wednesday, So we

908
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: tease this and this is actually going down, so as

909
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: you're listening to this and we'll tweet it out as well. Uh.

910
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: Hashtag ask MTS hashtag ask MTS. Drop your draft questions

911
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: in there, Uh, drop drop your offseason questions in there.

912
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: It could be anything about free agency, whatever you want, Um,

913
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: but we're going to devote an entire episode on Wednesday

914
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: to answering your questions, trying and give back to you

915
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: guys and as appreciation, uh for for checking us out

916
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: and stand with us here. Um we can definitely, Uh,

917
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: we can definitely handle that on Wednesday. The last thing

918
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: I want to talk about, Buck, Um, we tease us

919
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: at the top, so we gotta pay it off and

920
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: we don't have to go along on this, but I

921
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: do think it's fascinating and talking to some some personnel

922
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: departments around the league, this whole thing with a new

923
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: CBA coming down, and what looks to be that what

924
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: we're hearing is that, um, the punishment from marijuana is

925
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: going to be nowhere near as severe as it currently is.

926
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: And there are some players in this draft, some very

927
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: talented players, UM, that have had multiple, you know, failed

928
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: tests at their schools and in the past. Man, Buck,

929
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: do you have to really pay a price on your

930
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: draft board for this? Because you you don't want to

931
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, were missing these guys with games. Now it's

932
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: with the gray area where we are. It's difficult because, well,

933
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: if this is the only issue the guy has had,

934
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: he hasn't had any other issues, he's got a marijuana issue. Well,

935
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: if that's no longer gonna be you know, punitive UM

936
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: from the league standpoint, then why are we moving this

937
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: guy down our draft where he's really really talented. That

938
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: is it is very tricky to navigate right now. For

939
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: personnel departments, it is tricky. DJ and I remember UM

940
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: guys in and scutting bills. So from I was there

941
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: from two thousand, two thousand and seven at the end

942
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: of May, at the end of my term with the

943
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers, like we would put like little marijuana leafs

944
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: on the sticker on a player's card if he had

945
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: failed the test or two. And it was a very

946
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: very negative connotation to guys who failed tests. Were Now

947
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: because of the legalization of marijuana in so many states, UM,

948
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to ding them to the same

949
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: level when it comes to it. And then when you

950
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: think about some of the research and stuff that comes

951
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: back UM on like healing and and those things. UM

952
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if it carries the same kind of

953
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: stigma that it once carried. And so as the c

954
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: b A is being negotiated, as uh the owners and

955
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: the players determined what to do with the marijuana issue,

956
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: I do believe it will change how uh evaluators, how

957
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: decision makers will make these decisions and determinations about prospects

958
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: based on what they have in their history. But yeah,

959
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of time for the change because it is

960
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 1: one of those things where uh we kind of punish

961
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: people maybe two severity for things that are kind of

962
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 1: um being legalized in our country. So it's a change

963
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: and to be interesting to see how it plays out. Yep,

964
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: no doubt. It's something again kind of tricky, and maybe

965
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: we end up having a collective bargaining agreement before the

966
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: draft that would make things a lot easier in terms

967
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: of setting your board. Anything else you want to throw

968
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: in there, Buck before we wrap this bad boy up. No,

969
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: but I do want to mention this one thing and

970
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: talking about the stuff where we talked about, like the

971
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: coaching and cross training. One thing that comes to mind

972
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: when you talk about Jeremiah going down and coaching coming

973
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: from his evaluator seat. This is something that the New

974
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: England Pages had done for a long time. Bill Belichick

975
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: would have his evaluators Nick Scessario. Yeah, come from a

976
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: being a personnel guy to coaching on the field to

977
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: back there. And the premise behind that is it's one

978
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: thing to evaluate and evaluate from afar, it's another thing

979
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: to kind of put your feet in the grass and

980
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: to coach and determine. I just believe the more hast

981
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: that you can kind of wear within the organization, the

982
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: better it is for you when you kind of ascend

983
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: to the top. I think this move will really help

984
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: Jeremiah as he continues to kind of grow as a personnel,

985
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: be executive or a coach. I just think it makes

986
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: it makes him better. And I remember as a as

987
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: a prospect as a player, Ozzie Newsome was working for

988
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. Ozzie Newsome ran the workout. Ozzie Newsom

989
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: at the time was like they're they're tied end coached,

990
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: and he kind of moved up the thing. But think

991
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: about how Ozzie is revered for his personnel um decisions

992
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: and what he's been able to do throughout his career.

993
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: I think some of his success comes from his ability

994
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: to touch players in a bunch of different ways as

995
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: a player, as a scout, as a coach. All of

996
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: that experience kind of helped to make really really good

997
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: decisions on people on draft day. Um, and I think

998
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: there's no denying the results that Ozzy's had. I'm excited

999
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: for Jeremie. Is a good set up for him. Um

1000
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: going forward there, and I think you're gonna see this

1001
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: as a trend that starts to be copied around the league.

1002
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: Will see more and more of it because it just

1003
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: makes too much darn sense. Um, all right, Buck, that's

1004
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: gonna do it for man again. Remember hashtag ask mts

1005
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: drop us your questions. We've got a bunch of reviews.

1006
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: I do want to say thanks everybody, because we've got

1007
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of iTunes or animal podcast reviews lately. I

1008
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: just looked that up the other day. Um, and we're

1009
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: really climbing up the numbers there as we get towards

1010
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: the spring. It's our time of year. UM, so do

1011
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: us a favor, keep those coming. If you haven't left us,

1012
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1013
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: always drop drop questions and the reviews as well. We'll

1014
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: check those out, um and tell a friend, uh, this

1015
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: is this is the fun time year. We love this podcast,

1016
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: we love this form, We love having you guys along

1017
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,640
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1018
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: be old. Nice job producing. We'll see you next time

1019
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Speaker 1: right here on. Move the sticks.