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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Welcome back to the Betting Crows Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by bet MGM. I'm your host, Dan Harris.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Dan Harris eighty.

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Speaker 1: It is entering week thirteen of the NFL season, which

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Speaker 1: is crazy. We are here to take an early look

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Speaker 1: at the week thirteen NFL lines. Here to do that

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Speaker 1: with me is the co host I will call you

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Speaker 1: Bogman of our college football podcast. Here. It is Scott

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Speaker 1: Bogman again, you know him from the College Football podcast.

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Speaker 1: Is also co host of the Great in This League podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can find him on Twitter at Bogman Sports. Bogman.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me today. How you doing, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I'm a Longhorns fan and there

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Speaker 3: four and seven nine you are, Yeah, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's like the hot tub time machine. What's that about? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: The and then Steelers fan. You know, my dad's I'm

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Speaker 3: from Texas. My dad's will say, by side of the

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Speaker 3: family's from Pittsburgh and they were miserable. So you know,

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Speaker 3: but it's okay because the NFL is still playing and

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Speaker 3: is still like watching football.

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Speaker 1: So that's all I can do. As a Jets fan,

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Speaker 1: I can say that you know you can still watch

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Speaker 1: the NFL even when everything is going wrong. By the way,

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Speaker 1: And I was joking because Bagman is decked out head

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Speaker 1: But whatever doesn't matter all right. Early, look at the

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Speaker 1: week thirteen NFL lines. This is at halftime. Actually we

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Speaker 1: were recording this of the Monday night game between Seattle

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Speaker 1: bit of guesswork here when it comes to those teams

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Speaker 1: d C, Arizona, and Wyoming. All right, bogwin Thursday night game,

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Speaker 1: we have the Cowboys visiting the Saints. The spread right

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Speaker 1: now is the Cowboys laying five. That's the consensus, but

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Speaker 1: there is four and a half. There are five and

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Speaker 1: a half's out there, but right now it's five and

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Speaker 1: the total is forty seven and a half. Any thoughts

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Speaker 3: I mean, my instant thought is Dallas in the under

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Speaker 3: because what we saw offensively from New Orleans on Thanksgiving

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Speaker 3: was not great. And Taysom Hill is getting first team

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Speaker 3: reps now, so are they going to go to Taysom Hill?

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Speaker 2: Is that gonna work? Are we getting Comarica be worse?

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Speaker 1: Man, it can't be worse.

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Speaker 2: It can't be worse. Yeah? Are we getting Kamara back?

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Speaker 3: Are we getting Ingram back or is it gonna be

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Speaker 3: Tony Jones again, who I thought was going to have

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Speaker 3: like David Johnson out there. You know, maybe the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: So it's it's obviously Monday, so we don't have everything.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I can say. What we heard today. Zeke

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Speaker 1: missing this game. Obviously, the Cowboys are going to be

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Speaker 1: don't know what is happening right now with this game

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Speaker 1: wopping Giants visiting the Dolphins. The Dolphins are laying three.

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Speaker 1: The total here is forty one and a half, so

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Speaker 1: pretty low. Obviously, the Giants coming off the big win

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Speaker 1: think here with the Dolphins laying a field goal at home.

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Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, Dan, I disrespected the Dolphins last week.

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Speaker 2: I said, if you.

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Speaker 3: Blitz Cam like you blitz Lamar, he's gonna get you apart.

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Speaker 3: He's a former MVP. He's gonna throw into the blitz,

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Speaker 3: not gonna be able to take him down. Good Lord

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Speaker 3: was wrong. He looked god awful. And the Dolphins defense

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Speaker 3: Javon Holland every single playback there and something that Joe

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Speaker 3: little bit that you know, this team has gotten exponentially better.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go with Miami to carve up the

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Speaker 1: It's gotta be right, I mean, And admittedly I thought

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Speaker 1: I disrespected, right, I disrespected the Giants perhaps too much,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, though I think the Dolphins all are

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Speaker 1: the Eagles. They are visiting the New York Jets right now.

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Speaker 1: They're laying six and a half points. The totals forty five.

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Speaker 3: I would take the Eagles just because I don't think

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Speaker 3: Zach Wilson actually makes them worse. I understand that you

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Speaker 1: But doesn't make it, didn't he never does really what

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Speaker 3: That was my my whole thing, like, why has Joe

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just go with your youth because you're not playing

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Speaker 2: But I don't Philly is such a mess.

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Speaker 3: They don't like Jalen Hurts, which is weird because they

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: I just think the Jets are a bad team. So

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Speaker 3: I'll take the Eagles and lay the points.

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Speaker 1: Well, it did look like, you know, Hurts until this

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Speaker 1: they should have won that game had Jalen Rager been

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Speaker 1: He's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: He won a Heisman Trophy, so you know, yeah.

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Speaker 1: So bizarre I would I would go under a touchdown

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Speaker 3: Simply what it comes down to I think I would

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Speaker 2: It's what that stands for.

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Speaker 3: But I'll take I'll take the Cardinals their defense too

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Speaker 2: So I'll lay the points. Take the cards here.

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Speaker 1: So you did say seven, just to be clear, it's

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Speaker 1: So okay, very good. How about the Vikings visiting the Lions.

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Speaker 1: Obviously laying seven? But in fact, hold on, hold on,

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Speaker 3: You know, the Lions are zero to ten, but they've

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Speaker 3: So let's get them. I think this is like a

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Speaker 3: I the Vikings defense just doesn't do anything for me

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Speaker 3: I mean, losing Hunter, losing Griffin, they're going to get

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Speaker 1: Interesting, okay, because I you know, for me, I thought,

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Speaker 3: Right they got Kirks Kirk it is Kirk and they're

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Speaker 1: But it's also something that like good Kirk isn't like

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Speaker 1: They're five and six. That is in the thick. Now,

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Speaker 2: I do not care.

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Speaker 3: what the hell they're doing right now. In terms of

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Speaker 3: I'll lay the points and I'll take the under two.

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Speaker 1: I will. I will also go with the Colts. The cult.

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Speaker 1: cover this game, you know at eight and a half,

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Speaker 1: Bucks visiting the Falcons. They are laying eleven. The total

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Speaker 1: They get back Cordero Patterson. That certainly helps the way

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Speaker 1: But a divisional game, Falcons hanging on to the edge

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Speaker 3: This is not a week of great games, right, This

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Speaker 2: I'll take the Bucks.

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Speaker 3: I'll also take the over because I think we will

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on both. Actually, Bogwin, I do

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Speaker 1: It is the Chargers are visiting the Bengals. The Bengals

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Speaker 1: Don't know what you're going to get from them in

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Speaker 3: Why like what the Bengals have done since their bye

434
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Speaker 3: week is really refocus on the run game. And give

435
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Speaker 3: the ball to Joe Mixon, who you know. You have

436
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Speaker 3: Jamar Chase, you have Teagans, you have Joe Burrow, c

437
00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,919
Speaker 3: j Uzama is a great pass catcher, and Tyler Boyd

438
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,159
Speaker 3: would be in number one or number two on a

439
00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,199
Speaker 3: lot of teams. So the offense is good, but it

440
00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,200
Speaker 3: needs to run through Joe Mixon. Everything works through him.

441
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Speaker 3: And we saw it against the Raiders, we saw it

442
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Speaker 3: against the Steelers. How about we see him against the

443
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,400
Speaker 3: worst rush defense in the NFL in the Chargers. Justin

444
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,919
Speaker 3: Herbert isn't playing good ball right now. He's kind of

445
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a ball or if he's

446
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,440
Speaker 3: been readjusted on or what has been happening with him,

447
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 3: but he's been making some bad decisions. I'll take the

448
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,760
Speaker 3: Bengals and lay the three points at home in the

449
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 3: jungle for them, and I'll take the over in this

450
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,879
Speaker 3: game because I think the Chargers aren't gonna put up points.

451
00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,680
Speaker 3: The Bengals defense is the one thing. You know, they're

452
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,240
Speaker 3: very you know, like Kirk Cousins. Sometimes they play really well,

453
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,359
Speaker 3: sometimes they play really bad. But I like the over

454
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Speaker 3: here and I will take the Bengals.

455
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I lean towards the Bengals as well.

456
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,480
Speaker 1: I think the big deal is with Herbert. I just

457
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,160
Speaker 1: feel like it's the offense that he's in at this point.

458
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 1: I feel like last year's offense with Anthony Lynn was

459
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,159
Speaker 1: very cub friendly. This one's a little more complicated, and

460
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna have these days where he looks good and

461
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 1: he's gonna have plenty of days where he looks bad.

462
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, I lean the Bengals right now. I don't

463
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Speaker 1: have a great feeling about it again, just because I

464
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Speaker 1: feel like the Bengals. I've constantly felt the Bengals are overrated.

465
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,240
Speaker 1: So for them to basically, you know, be a favorite

466
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 1: against the decent Chargers team troubles me. But at the

467
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 1: same time, if I have to go in a way,

468
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 1: I am going that way. Let's go to the Rams

469
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 1: laying twelve and a half, who at home against the

470
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars and the total forty eight. I feel like

471
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 1: all the quote smart money will be like, well, you

472
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:19,960
Speaker 1: got to back the Jags. I mean, this is sort

473
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Speaker 1: of what it is like it is every week, but

474
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Speaker 1: I can never back the Jags essentially, So what do

475
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Speaker 1: you think you're at twelve and a half.

476
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not taking the Jags, so they just the

477
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 3: offense cannot put up points their last couple of games

478
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,360
Speaker 3: here fourteen against the Falcons, ten against the Niners, seventeen

479
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 3: against the Colts, since nine against the Bills nine was

480
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 3: the win. But they have to stop an offense to

481
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Speaker 3: win a game here, and they're not stopping the Rams

482
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Speaker 3: at all. So I would lay the points here. I

483
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 3: hate this over, I ain't touching it, but I will

484
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Speaker 3: take the Rams and lay the points.

485
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely avoiding the total. I lean the Rams

486
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: as well, just because again it's really difficult to see

487
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: how they are going to stop this team, the Jaguars

488
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Speaker 1: in the end. Even though the Jaguars defense has as

489
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 1: a whole play better. They have played better of late,

490
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 1: probably last like four or five weeks. But I mean

491
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: even Atlanta, you know, they put up twenty one. They

492
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 1: could have put up more if they needed to. And

493
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Speaker 1: I do think again that the Rams they need to

494
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: win now. They are sliding obviously, so they need to

495
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: come out. They need to make a statement with both

496
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 1: their offense and their defense, and I think they do here.

497
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: There's a get right spot for them at home so

498
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. Even with the big spread, I

499
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Speaker 1: will lay it. How about the Washington football team visiting

500
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Speaker 1: the Raiders. The Raiders currently are laying two and a

501
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Speaker 1: half points. The total is forty nine. Again, we are

502
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Speaker 1: recording this in the middle of Monday night football, so

503
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Speaker 1: who knows what happens right now. Washington did just hope

504
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm not spoiling anything. They did just take the lead

505
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 1: on a touchdown here, so you know two and a half.

506
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Speaker 1: This might be very different when you look at it

507
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: and you listen to this podcast. But as of right now,

508
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: the Raiders at home two and a half total forty nine.

509
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Speaker 3: Who is making this schedule, by the way, like they've

510
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 3: been really good about the schedule. But then you get

511
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Speaker 3: the Raiders who played on Thursday versus is Washington who

512
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 3: played on Monday. Doesn't seem to fair to me. I'll

513
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: take the Raiders because of that. I think Washington's gonna

514
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 3: have less rest. I think, you know, the Raiders at home.

515
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Speaker 3: Of course, they may be down Waller, but Foster Morrow

516
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 3: is a pretty good replacement. I don't particularly care for

517
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Speaker 3: either one of these defenses, but I think if you

518
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 3: give Derek Carr a little bit of time to prep

519
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 3: for this game. He can carve somebody up. So this

520
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 3: Washington football team, I almost said it, defense has been

521
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 3: playing much much better since their bye week, so they

522
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 3: have been a little more what we expected in the

523
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 3: beginning of the season versus what we actually got, which

524
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 3: was the worst pass defense in the NFL, and you know,

525
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 3: just bad matchups for them.

526
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Speaker 2: But I like the Raiders here.

527
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Speaker 3: I think their defense isn't great, but they can bow

528
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: up every once in a while. A lot of replacement

529
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Speaker 3: on that Washington offensive line, particularly at the center spot

530
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Speaker 3: there mentioned today.

531
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Speaker 2: I think they're down the third or fourth.

532
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Speaker 3: Guy here, So I'll take I'll take the Raiders at

533
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Speaker 3: home and lay the two and a half the total.

534
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Speaker 3: I don't I'm not gonna have a good lean either way,

535
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 3: but I would go under.

536
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Speaker 1: Does it matter to you whether or not Darren Waller

537
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: plays in this game because he is deemed weak to

538
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: week with the strained it band or whatever it is.

539
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: If he doesn't suit up here, I think that's what

540
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: it is. That right? Did I make that up something?

541
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Speaker 2: And it sounds like something for my car, so.

542
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: I may have made it up entirely, but I did

543
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: see he was weak too weak today, So I mean,

544
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: but again, he may play this week. And again they

545
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: did not think that it was particularly a bad injury

546
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Yeah, something with his knee, ye

547
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: or something.

548
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Speaker 3: I mean, it does matter. Obviously, Waller matters. But I'll

549
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: say I like Foster Moro as a replacement. You know, yeah,

550
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 3: he's a good receiving tight end, not the greatest blocker.

551
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: But I also like what they've been doing on offense

552
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 3: more going to Josh Jacobs and relying on him more.

553
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: I don't know why they went away from that so

554
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: much in the beginning of the season. Jacobs is a

555
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 3: good back, and I know he's a little banged up

556
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 3: and all that stuff, but if he was that banged up,

557
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: then give him some weeks off.

558
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 2: Don't give him the all ten times. Never understood that.

559
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: So I like the Raiders in this game. I think

560
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: they go to Jacobs more. You rely on Waller in

561
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: the passing game less, and uh, you know, Washington gets

562
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: way less rest than they do.

563
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 1: So give me the Raiders and you did see again

564
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: Deshaun Jackson get more involved here in this game, which

565
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: they really need to do to be able to open

566
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: up the field a little bit more, at least throw

567
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,239
Speaker 1: a couple his correct You gotta show you got It's

568
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: a show me. We always say, you know, give me

569
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: a right, give me, give me a show me. You

570
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: know pitch in baseball, right, just yeah, show me change up,

571
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: just so we know that you have this in your arsenal,

572
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Speaker 1: so I can at least have it in the back

573
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: of my mind. That's what they need to do. They

574
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Speaker 1: did in this most recent game. And again coming off

575
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Speaker 1: that big win there, let's go to the Ravens visiting

576
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Speaker 1: your Steelers. The Ravens are laying three and a half.

577
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: The total is forty four. I mean, bogwin, it's your team.

578
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: I again, I thought that they would cover that spot.

579
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: It's a Tomlin spot, the underdog. Nobody believes in us.

580
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: We the Bengals embarrassed us in the first game. Let's

581
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: show up here, and they were getting a little hell

582
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: there on defense. TJ. Watt was placed on the COVID

583
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: list today, so obviously that's going to be a big loss,

584
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: assuming that he can't come back from that. The Ravens,

585
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: you know Lamarthro's four intercepsions, but they still win the game.

586
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Speaker 1: What do you think about this one?

587
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: I think that the Ravens are going to destroy my

588
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: Steelers this week. And I do not say that with

589
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: any joy, and I hope I'm wrong. But the Steelers

590
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: defense got blueprinted against Detroit in that overtime tie. They

591
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: ran the ball and it was all because this wasn't

592
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: their game plan going in. Jared Goff got hurt, and

593
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 3: they said, we'll just run it all day, and they did,

594
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 3: and they ran for over two hundred yards. And then

595
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: the next week Steelers give up a ton of yards.

596
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: And this weekend Cincinnati, they give up a ton of

597
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Speaker 3: yards to Joe Mixon. So I expect Lamar and Freeman

598
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: and Murray and you know, probably a pitcher two to

599
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: Duverney and Marcus Brown and those guys. I expect them

600
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 3: to run the ball down the Steelers throat, especially if TJ.

601
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: Watt is not there.

602
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: So you know, the Steelers defense has had a lot

603
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 3: of injuries, but even Devin Bush is bad. He is

604
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 3: not healthy from his knee injury. You know, Joe Shobert

605
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: is okay, but he can't be in six places at once.

606
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: You have one of the best playmaking free safeties. Ryan

607
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 3: Clark talked about this today and he's basically a fifth

608
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 3: linebacker because no one up front is making the tackles.

609
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 3: So it's a mess in Pittsburgh on the defensive side

610
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: right now, which we've known it's a mess on the

611
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 3: offensive side the whole year. But you know, you're bad

612
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 3: on both sides of the ball. It makes for a

613
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: pretty bad team. So give me Baltimore and I will

614
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: lay the three and a half and the under because

615
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: the Steelers.

616
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Speaker 1: Are I, you know, the total. I don't have a

617
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: great sense of yet. I would lean the undervad you,

618
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Speaker 1: but I don't see how you avoid the Ravens here, Like,

619
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Speaker 1: I mean that the Steelers look absolutely terrible, Like just

620
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: everything about them looks terrible. And you're right their defense,

621
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: of course, but their offense also looks completely out of sync.

622
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Speaker 1: And it's not like you have any alternative to go

623
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Speaker 1: to because he can't go to Mason Rudoff or anything

624
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: like that. But I mean, Ben looks it's.

625
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: Just people want them to go to Mason Rudolph. I

626
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: was like, did you watch him play the game? He

627
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: is work like I'll take fifty Prothlisberger all so hey

628
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: sold I and Rudolph.

629
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because again we saw in the Chargers game at

630
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: least like he's capable of sort of, you know, making

631
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: things happen once in a while. I don't really think Rudolph is.

632
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: But still at this point, you know, with as bad

633
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: as the Ravens looked in that game, I still think

634
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: they come out and I still think they kind of

635
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: boat race the Steelers a little bit in this one.

636
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: So I agree with you here. How about the forty

637
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: nine Ers visiting the Seahawks. They are laying two and

638
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: a half. The total is forty six and a half. Again,

639
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: they're playing right now. I mean, you know, we're just

640
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: at a halftime here, Bogman, but watching Russ does not

641
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: look back. Okay, hopefully he does not look back at all.

642
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: He looks terrible. They look terrible. So I imagine that

643
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 1: it's not going to be two and a half by

644
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: the time people listen to this. I could be yeah, yeah, I.

645
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: Think you're right, dude.

646
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: This uh, this Seahawks team, we know they're bout on defense.

647
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: They have been all year.

648
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Speaker 3: Even though Jamal Adams got his second pick of the year,

649
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: you know, uh, and he is now past Vince will

650
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 3: Form in career interceptions at four. By the way, so

651
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: congratulations to Jamal Adams. But yeah, Russ doesn't look right,

652
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: and ye know the defense is bad. It's kind of

653
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: like what we were talking about with Pittsburgh, right, we

654
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: know the defense is bad, your offense doesn't look right.

655
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: Carson has done for the year. They haven't figured out

656
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: this run game yet. You gotta take the Niners. They're

657
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: on a heater. They did just lose their best player

658
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: for a h two in Deebo, and that is very,

659
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: very unfortunate because Deebo is the most fun player to

660
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: watch in the NFL. Like you know, I loved him

661
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 3: coming out of South Carolina as happy he went to

662
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 3: the Niners. So the Welsh and I could both love him,

663
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: right because he's a huge Niner fan. So, but I

664
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Speaker 3: think Eli Mitchell and Jimmy g has been playing well.

665
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: Iyaka is back in this game. They're gonna have to

666
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: utilize kittlemore. Kittle has to play better, but I think

667
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: they have enough juice on offense and defense. Like you said,

668
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: I think this number is gonna be bigger in a day,

669
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: so by the end of the week, it's gonna be

670
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: pretty big. So I would get in on the Niners.

671
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I agree, and you know without Deebo. It's

672
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: weird with Deebo because he has been such a huge

673
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: part of their offense over the last especially the whole year.

674
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: But the last two games is two catches. That's so bizarre.

675
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: He's just doing it all on the ground as a

676
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: running back, right like NonStop, and he really does add

677
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: a layer. Thing with Kittle is. I was joking about

678
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: it with some guys here, just like it would be

679
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 1: so much better for his you know, for people who

680
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: play fantasy for his fantasy value, if he wasn't such

681
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: an elite blocker that he's just I mean, you just

682
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: watch him in any of this run game. But their

683
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: run game is working. Garoppolo is playing well. Now that

684
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: could end on a dime, you know, but they're just

685
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: playing way too well right now. I think they're on

686
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: a roll here. They sense that playoff Berth. I think

687
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: they're going for it. I think they win pretty easily

688
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: right now. The Seahawks. I mean, maybe they do win

689
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: this game, Bogman, they're down right now, but you know,

690
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: regardless they have I'm impressive.

691
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Russell would have to show a lot in the

692
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: last quarter and a half here or whatever. We have

693
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: in this game for me to be convinced that he

694
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: is back, because he had one huge play locket when

695
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: he was absurdly open, just no one was around him.

696
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: And you know, one one touchdown drive that's just not

697
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: gonna get it done. Washington's defense been playing better, not

698
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: that good though.

699
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you. Sunday Night football, Broncos

700
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: are visiting the Chiefs. Chiefs are laying ten. The total

701
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: is forty seven bogwin.

702
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: What do you think, Well, I think I'm not touching

703
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: it is what i'd say at this point in the week,

704
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: because everything adds up.

705
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: The Chiefs look good on.

706
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: Offense, they look good on defense, but for whatever reason,

707
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: you get them in this rivalry game in particular, and

708
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: these teams play each other tough. When the Broncos are good,

709
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: the Chiefs play them tough. When the Chiefs are good,

710
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: the Broncos play them tough. So I won't mess with it.

711
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: If I had to pick, I would take the Broncos

712
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: and the ten going to arrowhead the over, I mean

713
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: in a Kansas City game, I just still I'm gonna

714
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: take the over, which.

715
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: Doesn't hit a lot.

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00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: Correct.

717
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: You know, you feel like.

718
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 3: An idiot if you don't take it, you're like, of course,

719
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: Kansas City scored thirty five in the first half, what

720
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: was I thinking by taking this under? So I'm more

721
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: confident than that. But I'll take I'll take the Broncos

722
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: and lay the points just because I've seen this game

723
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: play out this way.

724
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the problem again with the Chiefs is well,

725
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm joking about the overs because yeah, you can take

726
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: the under and then it you know, four seconds in,

727
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: it can be over because of just how quickly they

728
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: can score. But I agree that the spread just for

729
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: a divisional game like this, for two teams that know

730
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: each other well, with the Chiefs again still not being

731
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: like back, like they're not fully sort of what they

732
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: were at their apex or anything like that, even with

733
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: Edwards a layer back ten just seems too much for

734
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: me at this point for a Broncos team that you know,

735
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: just kind of whooped on the Chargers a little bit,

736
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: you know, and the divisional game, it strikes me as

737
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: too much. I'm not running out to bet at Bogman

738
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: right but if I had to right now, I would

739
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 1: take the points here, the ten points and just sort of,

740
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, hope that they keep it close to this point.

741
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: Are the Chiefs? Are the Chiefs the best team in

742
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: the AFC?

743
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe I don't. I don't want to.

744
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: I don't.

745
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: Who else would it be? Bogwin, If you say the.

746
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: I think it's them podcast, I think it's them, the

747
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: Cults and the Bills right now, that's okay?

748
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: Well, i'd pick between, so you wouldn't take the Patriots?

749
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: Who leads us into our next game? The Patriots on

750
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football visiting the Bills. The total is forty four.

751
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: The Bills are laying a field goal at home. Bogmin,

752
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: talk me through it.

753
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, another game that I'm not running out to bet.

754
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: I'll say that I'll take the Bills at home here,

755
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: and I think we've seen a little bit better. But

756
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: it seems like with the Bills they take two steps forward,

757
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: one step back, two steps forward, one step back.

758
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: Is this their step back game? Or is this the

759
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 2: you know?

760
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: All right, Look, we're tired of Mac Jones, so we're

761
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: gonna just blitz the crap out of him and make

762
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: him beat us. You know, we're gonna stop the run.

763
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 3: We're gonna make Mac beat us. And if they beat us,

764
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 3: then fine, I mean they just lost Trey White. That's

765
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: huge for the Bills. You know, Trey White the best

766
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: second in a good secondary, so that is a big

767
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: piece that they lose. But the Patriots aren't beating people

768
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: on offense or beating people on defensive skillect.

769
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: And maybe they will. They'll stop Josh Allen.

770
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: We saw the jag stop him, right, and I get it,

771
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: But I think it's more about Josh Allen stopping Josh

772
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: Allen and making bad decisions than it is about being

773
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: schemed up because if he gets rolling, there's nobody that

774
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: can stop him. It's just like Patrick Mahomes right, he

775
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: is the guy that stops himself. So I think Buffalo

776
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: wins this game at home. I don't like it, not

777
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: going to touch it right now. If we get more

778
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: news about stuff later in the week, maybe I'll make

779
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: a a harder line decision. But right now, go to

780
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: my head, I take Buffalo and I take the under,

781
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: because both these defenses can play well.

782
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: I would take the under for sure. That is the

783
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: way I lean at forty four, and I lean the

784
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: Bills for a few reasons. Number One, again, I do

785
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: not think the Patriots are quite as good as they

786
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: have shown. I mean, I think that they've had some

787
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: soft opponents, and again, you face Tennessee, you can't say

788
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: they're soft opponent by any means. But obviously they were

789
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: playing without anybody on offense here week last week and

790
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: just watching you know, Mac Jones, and I was listening

791
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: to it. At one point I had to leave my

792
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: house for I don't know, like twenty minutes or something,

793
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: and in the middle of it, I'm listening to the

794
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: game on the radio and they're talking about how Mac

795
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: Jones went through a period where he looked really confused,

796
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: like there was like a couple of drives in the

797
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: middle of the game, I think early in the second

798
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: half or something where he just basically looked like a

799
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback where he was overprocessing, he couldn't sort of

800
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: do it. And I really do think like Jones has

801
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: played really well when he has, but he's played well

802
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 1: because the game has made so simple for the way

803
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: sort of they've laid it out, because they're so successful

804
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: running the ball, because the defense is playing so well.

805
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: Let's see how that works against the Bills in Buffalo,

806
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. As it gets colder with

807
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: a raucous crowd on Monday night football. I just don't

808
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: see them going in there and winning that game for me.

809
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: So if it's three, if it's less than three, certainly

810
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: I would take And I think it ends at three.

811
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: Boggs like, I don't. I don't see this moving. You know,

812
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: it could move. Have a point, I guess, depending on

813
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: which way the money comes in. But three feels right

814
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: even the match team team right. Three. I take it

815
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: at three. I think the Bills win here and again,

816
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: so you know, if it's field goal or less, I

817
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: would be willing to take it. But yeah, I hope.

818
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: So again you most people know I live in New England.

819
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: I married it to a Patriots family. My life has

820
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: been relatively unbearable for the last like twenty years, so

821
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: you know, let's hope for my own bristles like that.

822
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: That's how it goes. Bogwin. I'm so glad you can

823
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: fit me in. I know you have seventeen more podcasts

824
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: to do tonight already. It's ten twenty here in the

825
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: East Coast, so I'm glad I'll let you go to it.

826
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: Just remind everybody where they can find you.

827
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find all my work on my Twitter

828
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: app Bogwin Sports. You go to in this league dot com,

829
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: check out the ITL Patreon. Joe and I do the

830
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Speaker 3: Betting Pros College Football Show every single week. We do

831
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Speaker 3: the IDP Show for subscribers every single week as well.

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Speaker 3: I write an article for Betting Pros every week as well,

833
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 3: so please check those out. And yeah, I'm online star

834
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 3: as well sports Grid. Like, like Danny said here, I've

835
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: got eight million podcasts now NonStop.

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00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: Do you like my voice? You can hear it all

837
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Speaker 2: the time.

838
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: I do. I do like your angelic voice. But I

839
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: do appreciate you coming on again. I like talking to

840
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: you anyway. Yeah, oh of course you do great work.

841
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: And you know, let's hope there are some winners right now,

842
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: because yeah, this is this is time for some betting

843
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: this weekend in these football games for sure. So everybody,

844
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us again. The Bogman will be

845
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: back with Joe on the College Football Betting Podcast, and

846
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 1: I will back later this week giving our three best

847
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Speaker 1: bets of Week thirteen of the NFL season. I'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you again then