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Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You?

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Speaker 1: From House stuff Works dot Com. Hey, welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is Molly and I'm Kristen. Kristen. Our show is

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Speaker 1: called Stuff Mom Never Told You. But today I'm going

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Speaker 1: to talk about something my mom always told me. She

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Speaker 1: always told me this every time I had to wear

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Speaker 1: pantyhose or tights for like church or special occasions and whatnot. Um,

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Speaker 1: I do not like pantyhose and tights. I hate them.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I hate them is because I don't

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Speaker 1: like how it feels, um, like when you walk and

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Speaker 1: you can hear them like rubbing together. Yeah. I just

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Speaker 1: hate how that feels. I hate how it's sad. I

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Speaker 1: hate everything about it. So when I was a small child, UM,

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Speaker 1: I would compensate for that by starting to walk wider

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Speaker 1: and wider, kind of like you were saddle sore. Yeah, almost,

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Speaker 1: like I was sort of like a evolving into a

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Speaker 1: duck or some other creek. Sure. Um. And so whenever

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Speaker 1: my mom saw the start to happen, she would be like, Molly,

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Speaker 1: stop walking, like you've got a corn cob up your bottom.

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Speaker 1: And so now once I figured out how a corn

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Speaker 1: cob would get at my bottom, then I was really

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Speaker 1: freaked out and did want to wear tights or hose.

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Speaker 1: And even now, like when I have to wear them,

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Speaker 1: which is rarely rarely, let me tell you, Kristen, I

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Speaker 1: still think, man, I'm really walking like there's a corn cob.

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Speaker 1: But my body has some deep seated psychological traumas attached

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Speaker 1: to I really do. I really hate them, and so

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Speaker 1: I was determined to find out where they came from,

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Speaker 1: which is the topic of today's podcast. Where they came from,

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Speaker 1: so that you can destroy it, so that I can

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Speaker 1: constantly vilify the man who came up with them. And yes, ladies,

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Speaker 1: it was a man. It wasn't man. But but you know,

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Speaker 1: for the record, I'll say I'm I'm not anti tights.

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Speaker 1: Anti pantyhose are a different matter. There's just there's something

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Speaker 1: different about pantyos. But I don't mind tights. As a

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Speaker 1: former ballerina, I'm quite accustomed to the feeling of tights

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Speaker 1: on my legs. That sounds weird to say, like the

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Speaker 1: and the man my I believe you are referring to

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Speaker 1: is Alan Gant. Yes, and you know, I we we

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Speaker 1: try not to mail bash. And I said, oh, he's

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Speaker 1: invented by a man, real condescendingly. But the fact is

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Speaker 1: he invented them for his poor pregnant wife. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was Ellen Gant was trying to be nice. Basically, he

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Speaker 1: and his wife were on a trip. I believe they

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Speaker 1: were going to New York City from North Carolina. From

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Speaker 1: ethel Boone Gant, was very, very pregnant, and of course

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Speaker 1: a fine lady like ethel Boone Gant would not be

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Speaker 1: seen in the big city without her nylons on. But

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Speaker 1: back then, since we didn't have you know, panty hose

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Speaker 1: I think, and that hooked on and imagine a girdle

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Speaker 1: would not have been very comfortable. Right. So she was

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Speaker 1: basically like, I can't be seeing public any more until

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Speaker 1: was a nineteen fifty three and Alan Gant Sr. Was

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Speaker 1: then running a textile company called Glenn Raven Mills, and

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Speaker 1: panties and fastened stocking Stewart and um. And so Ethel

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Speaker 1: and they developed what they later called panty Legs. Right,

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Speaker 1: And you know from from step one, I can tell

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Speaker 1: it's a bad idea to put the word panty in

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Speaker 1: not the one reason, but one of the reasons anti panty.

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Speaker 1: I'm not alone in that. Well, we'll get to some

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Speaker 1: other other clever titles for for panty hose um. But

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Speaker 1: dex came into being um. And then when women started

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Speaker 1: my mom is a Paul that I can just wear

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Speaker 1: jeans and khakis and whatever I want really to um

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Speaker 1: these pantyhose and uh. The Hose Rey Association president Sally

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Speaker 1: Kay attributes as to a more relaxed work environment. Basically,

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Speaker 1: like you said, Molly, we can come in right now.

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Speaker 1: You and I are wearing wearing jeans or a T shirt,

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Speaker 1: So why should we should be put on uncomfortable pantyhose

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Speaker 1: But Molly, I'm gonna say for my own, my own

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Speaker 1: uh fashion preferences. It winter is coming, and not like tights,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily pannios. There's a different. Yeah, sides are kind

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Speaker 1: of comfy. I prefer leggings. But even though panty hos

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Speaker 1: But how many times have we podcasted about our Christen

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Speaker 1: comes up a lot? So maybe so maybe she's coming

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Speaker 1: out to get again because as USA did, it points

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Speaker 1: as did just you know how. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: whenever I wear those, like like two nude panty hose,

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Speaker 1: I don't maybe that's just me. Yeah right, listeners right

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Speaker 1: in and let me know what you think of that. UM.

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Speaker 1: But they're they're also uh some things that hose companies

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Speaker 1: in addition to making things like more legends and aishness

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Speaker 1: So it's basically, guys, it's okay, we know you want

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Speaker 1: You know what now? Also, now the wind is rolling around,

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