WEBVTT - CES 2026: Part Nine (Friday) 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:02.880 All zone media. 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:09.680 Unstoppable, unbelievable, impeccable, unflappable, outrageous, stupendous, chosen by God and 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.840 perfected by science. I'm ed Zeitron and this is Better 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:27.920 Offlines coverage of the Consumer Electronics Show. That's right, we 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.600 are back for a final two hour stretch here in 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:34.199 the beautiful Palazzo Hotel in even more beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:35.599 We've been here all week with. 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:37.720 An open bor and tuckos for journalists to hang out 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.960 and chat shit about the world's largest technology conference. Thank 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.760 you all, Thank you all for joining me, Thank you 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.879 for being here as listeners, as guests. For everyone, this 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.160 has been the best CES yet. There's only been two, 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.760 but nevertheless, you don't know how the next one's going 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.760 to be. But in all seriousness, this has been an incredible, 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.320 incredible show. We've got four more thirty minute blocks and 0:00:58.360 --> 0:00:59.840 then an epilogue tomorrow. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:01.440 Who it's been a lot. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.760 Our first quarter lineup is the incredible activist, journalist and 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.240 author Cory doctor Rowe hello ed, the fantastic writer of 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:12.000 the Tech Bubble newsletter, Edward on Graso Junior, and the 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.360 wonderful returning champion Kyle Shanad of the Las Vegas Sun 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.679 Local boy either, how you doing, Kyle? 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.440 How's your show been pretty good? 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:25.399 I started with a pre cees little conference between some 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.840 Korean companies and Nevada investors and businessmen. 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.240 Okay, well, it. 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.680 Was talking about how to bring their products, bring their 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.000 companies kind of to the American market, and kind of 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.120 the main point of it was, you know, CS has 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.440 been here in Las Vegas for so long at this point, 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:48.080 but Nevada itself, for Las Vegas itself, hasn't always seen 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:52.160 the fruits of that, right besides the actual of course, 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:56.560 you know, Las Vegas main market is in tourism and 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.320 bring people here, and conventions like this are a big 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.320 part of that. But actually creating a tech sector here 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:07.240 is a relatively newer concept, I think, probably following the 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.760 pandemic and what really to shut down the entire economy. 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.079 That failed attempt with Old Vegas though with Tony she 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.359 and that long Yeah. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:20.520 I mean it's the recent iteration is newer, Ye'll say that. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.080 And also that that one was very kind of limp. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.640 No copy on it, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one. 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.520 That one whiskey bar next to the barbecue joint in 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.680 the mall made it of trail shipping containers, is pretty good. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.359 I didn't see that they talk about downtown. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that there was there was 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.679 like one good thing that there's a good coffee shop 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:39.960 right there. 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.239 You'd think, why is it that it's so hard to 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.720 attract companies. There's like no state tax is that is 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:47.200 like the local business taxes high? 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.840 Like no, I mean they've they've been working on that 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:55.160 and kind of promoting the favorable tax regime. I think 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:56.760 it's probably the best way to put it for companies. 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.640 That's why a lot of people moved from California to 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:00.520 hear Nevada. 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:02.360 Yeah, the same way that we've had that. 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:06.840 I mean Nevada's legislature, there's a push for a dedicated 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.960 business court similar to what exists in Delaware, so we 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:15.560 can have companies incorporate here instead of there. Like we 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.120 recently had Friend of the Show and Rees and Horowitz 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.840 moved to Nevada. So there there's been a big push 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:26.440 there too, kind of because the pandemic so brazenly showed 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.639 that if there is an issue with travel, the economy 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:31.440 collapses here. 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.080 Yeah, well that's got quite a race. It it feels 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.320 like the finish line is at the bottom though. 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.840 Yeah, but wait, so this was a pre conference the 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.320 cees and what were they talks and such? 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:45.760 It was actually it was kind of fun. 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.400 It was like a shark tank style pitch session from 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:55.840 a bunch of these companies. There was one about incorporating 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.680 some technology into golf clubs that would analyze your swing. 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.400 There was another. There was another on. 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:08.360 Like it was a pool uh, contaminant analysis machine. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.360 Is this like a pee detector? 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:15.320 No, because it's not that those are useless, but like 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:16.960 those very much exists. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:18.960 Yes, yes, So it was kind of. 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:20.760 Like it's not like they were showing off like the 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:25.000 cutting edge of it was. It was it was people 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.240 trying to break into the American market from Asia. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.040 I mean, what Korea really needs to introduce to America 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.159 clearly is hidden cameras and dressing room. They are the 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:38.159 world leaders and incredibly vegic uses of hidden cameras. 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:44.400 Yeah, Vegas needs more perverts and chicken and and also 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.880 like also like rising up in the face of fascism. 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.680 Yeah, that was an export that we would welcome here. 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:55.240 Well, just other than all that, have you walked around 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:56.400 CS atoll. 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.040 A lot less actually than last year. 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.839 I'd say I spent some more time off the showroom 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.159 before talking to people, but quite a bit. And I 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.880 mean it felt I think we talked about this last year. 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:11.000 I mean, this is my second sees oh and last year, 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.599 I mean you come into it and it's all this 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.599 cool stuff that you've never seen before, concentrate in on space. 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.760 And this year I remember people talking about like, this 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.960 feels a lot similar last year, and now that I'm 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:26.240 a returning guest, Yeah, I understand why that feeling existed. 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.360 Yeah, it's this kind of echoing. It's very strange this year, 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.560 like it feels like last year, but with less stuff 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.640 like they were there at least felt like there was 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.640 some things to look at last year that we're like, oh, 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:38.080 that's fun. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.200 I do I remember them that. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.360 God, No, I saw a lot of smart picture frames. 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:42.560 That was a really big one. 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:43.120 This year. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.200 Yeah, I saw one that was completely broken. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:46.279 It was with like eeing. 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:46.760 No. 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:47.840 I actually quite liked. 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.360 The idea because I'd only seen them in pictures. And 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:52.599 then you see whenever they cycle kind of like a 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.880 kindle like all eating think they flash up the yeah, 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.760 and it's like just the static image I'd be okay with, 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:02.720 but the moment it's like be like, yeah, that's shit 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:03.320 off my wak. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.279 But I like the idea. I like the idea. 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.960 I know what you can't see by looking at the 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.400 gadget itself is the back end. And that's the whole thing, right, 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.360 Like what is what is the experience of adding images 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.880 to it? And my wife just moved overseas. Uh, we're 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.359 living in two different continents right now. And our hustmate 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.000 gave her a smart camera for a picture frame for Christmas, right, 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:29.320 and we, you know, sort of together conspire to put 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.919 a bunch of photos in the camera's cloud accounts so 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.960 that when she set it up at home overseas that 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.359 she would get all these photos preloaded. And it sucked. 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.560 It just really sucked at importing photos. It wouldn't take 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.800 native resolution. We had to down res everything. God, it 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:45.599 just it's yeah, it was like, do you remember what 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:46.800 brand I do? 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:47.039 Not? 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.040 I got one from my parents a few years ago 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.720 and the app was like and it. 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.560 Was all on an app, right, So like, which is 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.479 fine if you're out and about taking pictures and you 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.840 are sending the picture to the frame, But when you're 0:06:58.880 --> 0:06:59.960 setting at the frame, de nova. 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.200 I have ten thousand photos on my. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.360 Laptop and we're had to take a subset of them 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.120 and put them in the frame, and like phones are 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.720 very bad for that. Yeah, and I did this elaborate 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.160 thing where I plugged my phone in, moved seven hundred 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.760 photos from my laptop to my phone, then use the 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:17.360 app which only let me select one. 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.720 Hundred photos at a time to upload the phone like 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:21.200 it was, and none of that is visible. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:21.360 Right. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:22.400 You can be on the trap floor and you can 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.200 be like, this is the most beautiful frame I've ever seen. 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:26.440 But if it's a giant pin in the ass to 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:27.679 get pictures into, who cares. 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.480 I will say I was interviewing someone at their home 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.160 once and they had one in their living room and 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.120 it changed one point or it was either that or 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.520 they told me it was. I had no idea that 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:40.680 it was digital until you told me so. For the 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.000 people who are coming into your home who did not 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.960 see the hassle sure of getting it that works? 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.280 Yeah, yeah, it's I don't know. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.160 It feels like a very easy to solve thing. Feels 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.760 like it should just be like an ftpiece of with 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:55.800 like a. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.440 As a fallback right. Yeah, here's here's a thing you 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.480 drag images into. Be easy, but it isn't welcome to 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.800 see you and have the app on my phone. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.000 Yeah yeah, let you find out one contrastition name and 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:08.160 shame boo. 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.760 I don't know too many bring back shamed flander. No 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.840 it's not. It's not come back to me. It's Aura 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:19.040 A U R A or. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:20.240 I thought that was meant to be one of the 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:21.000 easy ones too. 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.920 I'm sure it's very easy if you are sending off 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:24.640 photo to it. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:26.040 That one gets advertised on podcasts. 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:31.840 Yeah, it's well, it means Casper mattresses have photo frames. 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.440 We're anti stamps dot Com. We're inside the Aura frame. 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.000 Don't try and sell me a fucking mattress unless you 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:39.480 give me one stepsot Com got a. 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.720 Web interface yet because it was Windows only. 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.480 I got no idea. Man, when I need stamps to 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:44.880 go to the post office, do. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:45.199 You know what? 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.000 I have a private mail box where I get my 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:48.640 mail because I don't want to give my home address 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.400 to random right and uh, I gave them a credit 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.240 card number and they charge one hundred bucks credit at 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.280 a time. And I walk in with all my parcels 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.520 and I'm like, here's the parcels, and I wut again. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.200 I don't have to wait for them to weigh. 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:03.839 Them, and I don't have to wait to all surprise them, 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.640 and they just I get an emailed receipt. 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.320 It is so good Post office fucking rules. Yeah. Well 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:10.600 for a private mailboxes too. 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.960 Okay, okay, well yeah, so ed have you been I've 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:15.440 been doing. How was your last day? 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:16.840 It's good. 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.720 I got to walk around o VCCC all the shit 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:25.160 gadgets with Corey and it was really interesting. I mean, 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.760 the stuff I think that interested us most was like 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.200 we talked about the devices that seem like, Okay, this 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.240 is a real thing. We want a manufacturer to integrate 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.120 it into their supply chain so they can scale it up, 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.400 but you can't get it. Well, you know, chargers you 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.120 talked you know, do you thought there were some chargers 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.520 that Corey pointed out that seemed nice, some cameras that 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.760 seemed nice, But otherwise there were just a bunch of 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:52.559 devices where it's like, I don't think i'd ever get 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:53.480 this hand massager. 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:55.080 That was very fun. 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.280 I think the weirdest advertising for that. 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:00.760 Hand all was weird little sign that made it look 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:02.320 like it was going to eat your hand. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:04.360 So Massadi is your hands. 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.040 Yeah, it was like that Benny jesserte y thing you 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.920 stick your hand. They did have a sound, so it 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.520 had a sign, right, They said like do you dare 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:14.000 to put your hand in it? And it had a 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:18.360 monster's mouth around the aperture your hand went into. And 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.480 then when you read the marketing more closely, it was 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.760 like the virtuous will feel delightful. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:24.880 Yeah, and you put your hand in. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.240 A sensor detected it and then it started inflating the 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.640 little Okay, I know, it feels like the first step 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:30.920 and like cultivating myself. 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.400 I just want to be clear though the thing sucks, 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.400 but the virtuous will feel delightful. It is something I'm 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.480 going to be saying for the rest of my life. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:42.320 Apparently I'm not virtuous because I felt that. I was 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.160 like it kind of just feels like two things are. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:49.240 Grinding against my hand, virus. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:49.960 And it's like, hey, if I want to go. If 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:51.560 I want that, I'll to go to like some packed 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.800 conference or I'll come back on the first day. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:54.160 Yeah. 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:55.559 Like it's like if you need to give you a 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.760 hand a message, you have two of them. I guess 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.520 if you want to do both once, it might be 0:10:59.559 --> 0:10:59.920 a chat. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.800 You know the amazing safety label that's the two gears 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.079 with the hand being squished. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:05.640 of what I want. 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:10.200 Yeah. Pleasant, you know, it's like an incredible machine situation, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.640 but with just my hands, like a cat jumps on 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.120 the thing and it crushes it. Just a beg aanvil 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:16.560 would be great at the end of this week. Just 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.000 let me just fall under the end anyway, But nothing 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.840 impressive at the end of the day is same old shite. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.719 No, I mean, this is the thing. I mean, we 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:27.600 talked about this a little bit. Also, I feel like, 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:29.520 you know, I am of the group that is the 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:34.520 wrong group for it, because I come into it feeling 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.079 I think, disappointed broadly, because there's a lot that I 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:39.960 would like to see and I don't see it. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:41.120 Well, what would you'd like to say? 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:42.959 I would I would like to see. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.640 I am listen if someone can make uh you know, 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.160 for example, there's a lot of pitches about AI assistance 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.760 that can be integrated into your home and make you know, 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.880 task management a bit easier, schedule management a bit easier. 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:56.360 Things like this. 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.760 You know, I would be open to something that seem 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:01.480 to be doing that. But a lot of the times, 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.920 you know, when we pressed them, it's more so like 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.160 what if you went on Chatchy bet yourself and chose 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.920 the third best answer for each thing and then integrated 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.600 that and organized your life around that. It's you know, 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.360 so it's just it's a lot of times I feel 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.320 like what I'm actually seeing is not even someone who 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.080 tried to solve a problem, but someone the I mean 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:22.720 they did. The problem they solved was how do I 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.200 how do I make money off of this? 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:24.679 Right? 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:26.840 Yeah, you know that's really what it was. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.160 I'm like, I'm not a tech person, I'm a a 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.400 local reporter here, but I mean, I feel like, and 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.559 this is kind of what I'm curious about, your guys 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.720 thoughts on it. How much of the things on the 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:42.640 showroom floor, just like repackaged CHATCHYPT models into other different package. 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.040 Actually be easier to ask how many works? 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:45.400 Yeah? Yeah, deadly. 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.440 We need like a cat in the hat where it's 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.480 not a situation for this, I'm what's. 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.640 Funny is generally surprised most were lost. Yeah. 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.240 I remember being like, oh, I'm being a cynic whatever 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.080 and sleeping for hours every night, so I felt particularly spicy, 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.040 but people still came in, like journalists came in and like, 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.000 oh I saw some cool shit. Oh it made me laugh. 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:04.760 It was kind of weird, but you know, I enjoyed 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:09.240 it this year. Even the gadget reporters, even the gadget 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.960 reporters who were like, you know what, not gonna be cynical, 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.080 I'm gonna be excited to be here, we're kind of like, yeah, 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.960 you know, there's a lot of stuff that doesn't exist, 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.400 and then the stuff that does exist wasn't very good. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.520 And even the companies that usually make stuff that are good, 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.080 well they didn't. And also LG was here with a robot. 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:32.120 And it's strange because long term listeners will know like, yeah, 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:33.680 I'm a cynic whatever, but I want to hear some 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.880 fun do that's some fun things, and it's like not 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.240 even this year like this is it feels like we're 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:42.200 in the depression. At CES, a lot of AI children's 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:43.600 toys very horrible. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:48.559 Yeah, a lot of aih evil, evil shit, Like Robert 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:52.520 found this one that was like an LLM horoscope Furby 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.120 creature that I want to hit with a baseball bat. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.520 I want to Finally enough, there's a demo for one 0:13:58.559 --> 0:13:59.959 where you can hit it with a baseball. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.240 Yeah, but wasn't that the one where Robert had the 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.280 video and it's just like dancing like Michael Jackson. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:07.560 And then you just fucking hit it with sticks. I 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.760 want to put a bottle. I want to do free 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:14.680 boat on top of that, fuck out of it. 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.640 There's an old American children's show called The Andy Devine Show, 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.360 and there was a character on that show called Froggy 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.800 who is like a frog, and he was a mischief 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.400 figure and he would as Andy Devine was speaking, he 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:31.200 would he would grunt, he would like growl out these uh, 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:32.440 subliminal suggestions. 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:33.200 It's like, then you. 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.080 Put the peanut butter in your hair, Yes, you do, 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.880 you do? And then Andy Devine would start putting peanut 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.240 butter in his hair. And every time I see an 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.520 LLM toy for children, I'm like, eventually, like you're gonna 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:45.960 leave the room and it's gonna. 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:47.640 Say and then you put the knife in your parents? 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:47.920 You do? 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:48.360 You do? 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.800 But that's already happening with like actual chat Have we not. 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.640 Seen the hack horror movies that start with the doll 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.200 that says I'm chatty. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.360 Cathy and I want to be your friend. I'm Jeddy 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.840 Katy to kill you. The story is just going to 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:02.880 activate someone, you know. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.520 This time it's going to be like Taiwan is part 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:10.320 of China, like ever mentioned Winnie Pooh and Winnie that 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:15.160 poo in mysent to make you feel No, it's just 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.440 and it's just like it's I think what it might be, 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.920 and after thinking about this too much for too long, 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.680 it's just papering over the laziness that already existed at Yes, 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.800 I don't think like there's something exceptional about the activity 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.480 so much as they found it's the panacea panic. I 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:38.440 never know panacea. It's like a panacotta. The panakotta everyone's 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.840 using is just the Okay, we're looking for a quick 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.400 and easy thing. There was the IoT era, or there 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:43.960 was the metaverse, ere like a thing we could build 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:45.920 around that would get us funding. But this year it's 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.880 like we found the ultimate thing to staple ship too. 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.920 And I know it's sounded like a broken record, but 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:52.840 it's like, come the funk on, you haven't even got 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.200 a thinner light a laptop. There was like one new 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.200 thinner light a laptop one. It was like I think 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.200 it's maybe Chelgy, I don't funk know. Samsung wasn't even 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.400 on the floor where what what the hell? We don't 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.560 even get a weird Samsung booth with like a wall 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.480 of televisions. The LG transparent old was just a tiny 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:11.160 little one. 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:12.200 I want one. 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:16.040 That's large and obviously can never be purchased, she said, 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:20.840 like a monument. Now she just she mostly just says 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:25.880 it's okay, it's okay, it happens, but it's it's just 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:30.120 you don't need to. It's just kind of frustrating because 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.040 I'm not reflexible. I just want to see some dude, 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.240 ad give me a like Michael Fisher came in and 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:39.000 showed the clicks, the shell of the Clicks, the Android 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.359 phone that's got like it's basically like a new BlackBerry, 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.760 fucking lovely. Yeah, you have new things four hundred bucks something. 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:45.600 Yeah, it's something. 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.440 It's also you know what, it's using existing tools Android 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.960 and you can manufacture overseas. 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:51.360 Wonderful. 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:53.560 Cool. We built a new thingy this year. It's like 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.400 we didn't build anything. 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:56.840 I think you're in the wrong part of the whole 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.920 because because when we were back in the crack Adge 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.640 its There was so much of that, but it's in 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.760 the so like the thing is that the stuff that 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.359 you use every single day, right, like your charter, Yeah, 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.119 is stuff that has an enormous bearing on your quality 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.800 of right, Like if your charger's fucked, you are fucked. 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:20.359 Right. It's a low margin item and it has barely 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:21.800 been optimized. Yeah. 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:26.080 And in this pro over Delta and around the Pacific 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.760 rim there are a lot of incredibly clever mechanical engineers 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.360 and product designers who are sort of turning their intellect 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:32.520 to this. 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.520 I agree, And like ANKA for example, is a great company, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.760 even like GPD who makes these really interesting devices for 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.520 one hundred people. It's like it'll be a PlayStation portable 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.800 sized gaming PC that costs two thousand dollars and superheats 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.440 in your hands, so it needs an external battery. Those 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.480 ones I didn't see having a prominent. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.760 But but you go back to the booths where that 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.359 we only do wholesale. We have a minimum ten thousand 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.480 unit order. So I was you were there earlier, but 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.199 we were off where I was talking about this thing 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:05.439 that I saw that was the British electrical adapter for 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.679 your charger that you carry around in your bag, and 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.600 so people who aren't familiar with it, the British Electrical 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:15.000 adapter that the plug is the world's ultimate cal drop. 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:16.600 It's this incredibly It's. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:21.280 Just like a big spikey like gold yeah, big like chunky. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:21.800 Yeah. 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.119 And you know, I lived in London for thirteen years 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.640 and and I'm moving back there again. And like the chargers, 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.680 it's hard to carry around. It puts holes in your pockets, yeah, 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:32.000 snags on things of your back. 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.560 It's a real thing and it's an actual quite easily. 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:34.920 Yeah. 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:39.760 So these this charger was it had the three prongs 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.400 and when you fold it, they all folded down together 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.320 in unison. They were they hit some sort of mechanical linkage. 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.800 They made the most satisfying little when you snap them 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.320 down and when you snap them back up again. It 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:55.320 was a beautiful piece of mechanical engineering. If you owned 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.680 it and you lived in the UK every single day, 0:18:57.720 --> 0:18:59.600 you would use this thing and your life would be better. 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.520 Yeah. Right, that's that's like pure. 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:04.919 We were asking on the last recording session, where were 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.560 the consumer gadgets that is a consumer gadget that would 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.360 see daily use and make a significant difference in your life. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:12.760 I agree, it's. 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.600 Just that that is like one percent of this show. No, 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.320 I agree, yeah, And that's that's my principal thing is 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.880 not that those things aren't here. Though there are less 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:24.520 of them, there are remarkably less of them. Like last 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:26.000 year there were more of the year before that way 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:27.760 like there was tons of them. 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:28.720 This year. 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:30.440 I saw one booth and I wish I could remember 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.520 because it was just The problem is as well is 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:33.680 a lot of the ones I saw were just the 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.040 same old ship we've had for years. Anchor is doing 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.280 some cool stuff. Was gallium nitrite with making the plugs small? 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:40.240 Oh yeah plugs. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:44.320 Yeah, they're fucking amazing. They're awesome. Didn't even see any 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:48.439 new interesting gang stuff. And like Anchor, I give too 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.760 much money because they always got some new, thinner, weird 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:51.720 one with a cable in it. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.280 I'm fucking do you know what. 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.000 The downside of gan plugs is they draw so many watts. 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:59.560 They're such good chargers that they blow the breaker on 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.880 airplace seats on the mains on a plate. If you've 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.680 got like a hundred white wine in the Little Green 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:06.720 a meeting, I. 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:08.560 Dropped my prime on that bitch all the time, and 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.280 it's fine. Anchor's got there. 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.679 I've I've had I've got two different gang chargers in 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:13.000 my bag. 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:14.159 Neither of them work. 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:17.960 Reliable, explains No, I've been very lucky then, because I 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.000 is it a sixty five white though one hundred and 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:24.680 twenty five and fifty even you've gotten lucky that this well, 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:25.879 it's just also it does. 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.919 Get very hot, right, but it is on right, and 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:29.360 I can chrut. 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.320 I look like a real prick because I've just got 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.240 this thing on the side, just like sure, just balancing 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:37.919 barely on the side. Oh no, it's you're coming on 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.800 to talk about the local Vegas area, and like the 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.840 effect of CS even Vegas feels a little quieter, Like 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:47.920 we were just discussing earlier how there was like a 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.000 chunk of the plants or of Venetian and I can't 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.720 remember it was just closed, just like no tables. Yeah 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.320 that oh, no local residence of local resident. That fucking 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.560 terrifies me. If I ever see like an empty area 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.000 of a casino like no tables either, I'm always like, 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.760 unless there is a poka, a poka tournament or a 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.920 craps class to take tourists in and kind of con 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:09.840 them into believing they can beat the odds. 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.520 Fuck yeah, yeah, they can. They can get it. 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.399 Kind of well, I mean pastline. But it's just it 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:19.680 feels like everything. Maybe it's just the wide world. Yeah, 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:21.920 I mean, I think it's a mix of things. Las 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.920 Vegas has definitely had a decline in visitation. 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:25.240 Throughout the year. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.400 I have I have notes next to me, please, So 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.720 through November of twenty twenty five compared to twenty twenty four, 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.680 it's a seven point four percent decline in visitation. 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:36.640 Uh. 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:39.640 To be fair, twenty twenty four is a record year. 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.200 Part of that is pent up interest from the pandemic 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:48.920 that got everyone going everywhere that was interested in travel. 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:51.479 But that's still a drop of two point eight million 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:53.400 people right going to media. 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:58.119 And two point seven million other Canadian Well, I mean I. 0:21:57.800 --> 0:21:58.720 Got those numbers too. 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.640 Yeah, I mean I think international travel definitely been affected. 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:04.520 I think it does surprise a lot of people when 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:07.919 they look at the numbers at Harrod International Airport that 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.560 the bigger client actually was in domestic really lights. 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:14.240 Yeah, it's do you have any idea why? 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:16.200 Well, I think there's a couple of things. 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:20.440 One, I when you look at travel and the process 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:25.480 of it right the in my opinion, the most important 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:29.000 thing is consumer sentiment at that moment and forward, forward 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:33.560 looking sentiment. If you don't feel comfortable in your if 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:37.120 you don't feel comfortable in your position, you know, for 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:40.160 feeding your family or just paying the bills on time 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:45.080 you are not traveling. But at the same time, I 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.200 will say, I think this is an important note because 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:48.600 I think a lot of the narrative has been like 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:51.440 Las Vegas is dead, which it is. It really hasn't 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:53.640 beg No, I would I would push back on that 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.120 because when you actually look at the gaming revenue it. 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:58.720 Is up this year. Is that because they're gouging more 0:22:58.760 --> 0:22:59.359 though they. 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.439 Well that Actually there's been some efforts to scale that 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:08.119 back because people were getting very angry, and there was 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:12.280 a large narrative online that, like the the destination marketing 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:14.880 organization here in Las Vegas has tried to push back against. 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:21.280 But the sor I'm trying to think about those say 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:22.119 of phrases. 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:28.200 The actual spend was higher, and I think, and I'm 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:30.240 not going to act like I have a definitive this 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.240 is why. But I think in all sectors you're seeing 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:38.840 an increasingly bifurcated economy right k shaped and what does 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:42.200 that mean for those of us suits that the really 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:46.600 rich are doing very very well and that the rest 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:47.320 of us are not. 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:50.680 Of the consumption is the top death sile So that 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:53.760 coming at this, that is that I mean if you 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.199 look at when, if you look at other you know, 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:58.320 high end, I don't have the numbers. 0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:00.840 Those numbers right in front of me. They're doing okay. 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.600 So I think there is like discussion of price gouging, 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:08.280 and I think that was a really big factor. You 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.400 mentioned Canadians I talked to at the beginning of the year. 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:13.800 I went to a Winnipeg. 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:16.639 Jets game here at Nice I stood outside and I 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:18.800 was just interviewing people who were coming in. This was 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:23.919 right after or right around when Trump took office, And 0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:26.879 obviously when you're going to talk to Canadians who were 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:28.840 in Vegas, it's a big sampling bias. 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:30.800 Of these are the people who didn't care. 0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:33.879 Most of them did and they said, you know, I 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:35.920 scheduled this month ago not coming back. 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:40.240 And the November numbers those they do have a friend 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:41.280 of me. In November. 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.800 Travel into Vegas from Air Canada compared to last year 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:46.399 fell twenty six percent. 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:47.440 Jesus Christ. 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:51.520 And the discount carriers are worse, right, Yeah, ultra low cost. 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:54.840 Carriers are having a hard time. Spirits kind of its own. 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:58.000 Thing, starving the Canadian discount, the Western Charter flights, West Chat, 0:24:58.040 --> 0:24:59.560 and there's another one, I forget what they're called. 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:03.000 Canadian Okay, west Jet was thirty three point two. 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:04.520 Percent decline Jesus Christ. 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:09.880 And that's just for Canes. There's actually have been uh 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:12.359 that's been made up in some other countries coming to 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:14.600 United States. But there's also all these policies coming down 0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:18.480 the pipeline where I believe it was Customs and Border 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.080 Protection had a proposal of people coming into the country, 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:22.760 many of the folks who be coming into the country 0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:27.440 having to share five years of social media activity. Yeah, 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:30.600 which I reached out to the Nevada Resort Association and 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.480 they're like, we are monitoring this because it's I mean, 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:39.360 I'm not going to speak for the country at all, 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:41.640 but I think when you look at all this intertality, 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:47.840 the United States is not being super welcoming to people 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:52.120 coming here. I mean, you know, mentioning the Korea event earlier, 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:54.960 I talked to one of the organizers and he was 0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:58.360 talking to me about how after there was that ice 0:25:58.520 --> 0:25:59.520 raid in. 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:04.119 Was Georgia specifically against South South are. 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.560 There are South Koreans, many of them were not all 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:10.639 that he had to be convincing people that it was 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:12.760 okay to come to the United States, that they should, 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:14.200 that they can still come to see. 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:18.720 Sir to America. There is a class of migrant They're welcoming. 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:21.359 If you are the former dictator of Honduras who's been 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:25.480 convicted of multiple narco trafficking charges, white South Africans, you 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:31.920 will be Yeah. 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:32.000 It's and I mean this is specifically a place that 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.879 attracts you based on being free and easy and quick 0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:38.240 and simple. And it's all of these little roadblocks, these 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.680 little additions that you just make it like. You can't 0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:43.480 treat this like adult Disneyland. 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:46.320 What happens in Vegas gets imprisoned, definitely in Vegas. 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:50.000 What happens in Vegas requires a long form Now it's 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:52.800 just like I don't know. And also the hotels are 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:55.359 not as cheap as they used to be. It used 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:57.600 to be you could you could roll your ass into 0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.800 Ballys for forty five bucks a night if you felt. 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:04.520 Like well, there's also a resort fees that people are. 0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.479 Very those are bug fee by the way, I was wondering, 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:08.239 I paid the extra bud okay, Uh, that's that you 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:09.120 get that one special. 0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:12.600 That's the Canadian special they call it. It's just frustrating 0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:15.080 as well because this place. I love Vegas. I love 0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:18.600 being here. It's a vending machine city. Uh. My addiction 0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:21.680 is not coke. So that's been great for the Cocla corporation, 0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:24.160 but it's like adding these roapebooks fucks up a place 0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:26.680 like this so much, which is based on convenience. 0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:29.000 Yeah, I mean, I think when you look at the 0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:31.520 different narratives people are putting out about Las Vegas. I 0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.600 know local Democrats have labeled this the Trump slump that's there. 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:37.360 That's their big thing going into We have a governor's 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:39.679 race this year, and that is a big part is 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:44.159 tying the current governor, Joe Lombardo, to the policies of 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:49.760 the Trump administration. I'm skeptical about how well that's gonna 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.439 work because I think it's a lot more complicated than 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:57.520 just Trump. It's a larger administration thing. It's also this 0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:01.560 idea that Las Vegas is price gouging people, regardless of 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:04.280 how true that is for a specific location. I mean, 0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:07.240 there's like the infamous twenty six dollars water bottle that's 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:09.800 like I think was coming up from like a mini 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.439 barn someone's room that like Fox News is reporting on. 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:14.520 But the thing is, we're in the plot someone I 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.840 like staying here. It's the fucking case here the resort 0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:21.280 fee every night, and it's like these resort fees kill people. 0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:24.280 Not literally, well the rest of Vegas does that maybe, 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:28.560 but not really. It's like the little needling things that 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.679 Vegas did. And it's not just post twenty twenty one, 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:33.480 but it's like, if you're gonna do this to a 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:37.560 place where it's about just kind of like frictionless entertainment. 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:39.560 And they've waved through so many mergers too. Yeah, the 0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.000 casinos aren't really competing anymore. 0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:44.840 Well, there's that, and also that some of them aren't 0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.959 they don't own the property the property itself in some cases. 0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:50.240 But even downtown Vegas is more expensive now. Like I 0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.600 am't being to Fremont Street much before Lost Year and 0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.760 I went it's more expensive in some cases than the strip, 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:59.959 and it fucking sucks. I'm sorry. It's like genuinely like 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:03.600 it's a loud, hostile place that when you go it's 0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:06.520 just like punishing and it's like, Oh, used to go 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.480 there because it was cheap. Now it's expensive and loud 0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.680 and bad. If I wanted that, I got to fucking Charlotte. 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:13.120 Yeah, what's happening in Reno? 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:15.840 Is it just as bad as Phil was mentioning the 0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.200 other day that Reno is actually trying to like not 0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:20.920 reject the casinos but grow outside of them, which I 0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:21.360 don't think. 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:23.360 I think it's a state that's a statewide Is that sleep? 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:23.760 Yeah? 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:26.600 I would say it's like pretty statewide. 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:28.719 No, like housing and jobs. 0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:31.280 Oh wow, I hate that. 0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:31.959 That's crazy. 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.520 I know what kind of a town runs on that. 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.440 When we have our big, beautiful casinos and our loud 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.400 slot machines, slot machines. 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:41.240 They're so loud. We've got the Buffalo slot machines. 0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:44.360 You've got the Bullet Farm, You've got the water Castle, 0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:48.920 the Gonsto Lives, You've got we have to discuss on stars. 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.560 We have the most lifeless NFL team in the most 0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:53.880 lifeless NFL stadium I have always made. 0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:55.560 Actually, I was at an event recently and Mark Davis 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:57.560 sat next down next to me, and I got I. 0:29:57.480 --> 0:29:59.400 Was, man, if he ever sat down next to me, 0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:01.760 I've got some fuck questions, mate. I'm not gonna what 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:03.840 the fucking offensive line. They're all gonna play out a position? 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:05.440 Why do you think Pete Carroll's son do? 0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:10.480 Sorry, but it's crazy because, I mean, it's so emblematic 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:14.360 of the industry that you can have a successful in 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.040 air quotes NFL franchise without winning. 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:20.880 I mean, I mean even then, I don't even think 0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.960 they're that successful. We're going to transition to the next part. 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:27.560 The next ad is for the Las Vegas Raiders. We 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:31.640 won three fucking times despite Pete Carroll Gino Smith. I 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.080 guess that's what happens when you don't have an offensive 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.480 line playing in position. This next ad is for the 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:49.280 Las Vegas Raiders. Any other is an error, and we're 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:52.080 back for the second quarter. We're back with, of course, 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:55.800 Carl Shnard of the Las Vegas Son Hello, mister Edwin 0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:58.920 and Graso of the Take Bubble newsletter. Hello, Hello, activist 0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:03.040 journalist and author Cory DOCTORA well, Hello. I was on 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:04.760 the radio earlier and they were like, I was like 0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.560 Cory Doctor's book and they're like, you can say it 0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:11.920 in shitification. Yeah, they allow you to your book has 0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.240 allowed people to say on the radio. Now, oh no, 0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:16.160 they just allowed me to. What do you say then? 0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:23.840 So it depends and Madrigal's show on MPR in San Francisco. 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:27.200 It's the largest MPR station in the country. Right after 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:29.920 Brandon car Chair, the FCC announced that he was going 0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.840 to pull three years of their underwriting. Uh, and their 0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:37.360 general counsel had said, you cannot even allude to the 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:40.320 title of the book. And through the entire segment we 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:42.960 called it the book whose title we cannot say? 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.040 And when I did on the media, which is. 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.560 Nationally syndicated, they called it in poopification? 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.040 Was that with with a Brook? With Brook? 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:56.240 Yeah, she's terrific, Gladstone fucking rocks. She is a national treasure. 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:57.960 Uh. And yeah. 0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:03.400 Various other affiliates and radio stations have have dealt with 0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:06.959 it in different ways. You know, the Daily Show their cable. 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:10.600 So they were like, it's fine, but anytime I'm on broadcast, 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:12.160 we can't do it. 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:14.560 And weirdly, I was just on. 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.520 Show in Toronto and they decided not to let me 0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:21.120 say the title of the book, and so I was like, 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.720 it's in somethingification and the something is a word for 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:26.600 poop that rhymes with snit. 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:30.360 Nice. That's the word they use, snit. I used it. 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:32.640 I was like, I mean. 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:36.760 It's great, it's general counsel is having a Yeah, it 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:37.560 is always funny. 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:39.480 Like when I went on on the media, I did 0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:41.480 like half an hour of just like I managed it. 0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:45.280 Because actually to Brooke Gladstone, older woman and genuinely, if 0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:48.000 you can't explain something to her, she's very smart, but 0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:50.560 like she's a regular person, older woman. So if you 0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:52.560 if you can explain it to her, you can explain 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:56.280 to anyone. But if you can't, you can't explain. Normalis 0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:58.920 won't understand you. I got so many emails, lovely emails, 0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:00.920 good might pay us door my od wh who was listening? 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:02.680 It was great as well, but I heard so many 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:06.200 people just being like, wow, you sounded so nice. You 0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.960 didn't say shit or fuck. I'm like, I can actually 0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:12.240 have a conversation with someone without swearing. 0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.360 You know, you just don't need to take a nap afterwards. 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.240 But sure, yeah, yeah, I have to enter like my 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.880 mind palace, like the stone will of the Buddha to 0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:26.040 like just three hours point Gianggong in the back you 0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:26.440 know I. 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:28.680 Feel about Samone done. 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:33.480 Just no I can I'm calm, I'm normal. Yeah, it's 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:36.280 I want Vegas to come roaring back. But I think 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:38.520 there is a degree of the post twenty twenty one 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.720 greed that came in. I think that everyone jacked stuff up. 0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:44.600 I think so. I don't know how is Summolin being 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:47.400 received by tourism. Is it being a good tourism destination. 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:50.400 It's it's like twenty five minutes away from everything which 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:51.000 is in Vegas. 0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.320 Far Yeah, I mean, I would say. 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:57.920 In my own experience, I don't even really see Summerlin 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:01.080 as it a specifically very tourist. 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:02.360 Does it not try and appeal? What is it? 0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:05.040 It's like it's sitting twenty five minutes away, which anywhere 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:06.720 else would be like, oh you get that twenty five 0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:08.960 minutes a way in Vgas You're like no, you You're 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:11.520 just like, oh, I'll come visit you in New York City. 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:12.000 I guess. 0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.040 I mean, if they let you fire an automatic weapon, 0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:14.920 maybe you'll go that far. 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:18.319 But you can do ten minutes off the strip. There's 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:21.120 like full different places Wazooka. Then it's okay, there's a 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.160 place fifteen minutes you can blow up a car for 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:26.560 two grand here, Okay, Vegas rocks. It's an idea. 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:29.399 It's a very wealthy area, and they got some really 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:30.000 nice shopping. 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:34.880 I think the trip a baseball team as well. Yes, Aviators, No, 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:35.879 it's fucking great. 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:37.880 As a person who doesn't like sports, I like that 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:39.000 Avia is brilliant. 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:42.160 It is I would say, at least in my experience, 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.319 a place that's like more designed for locals, I would 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:46.600 say probably more affluent. 0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.320 Yes, yes, it's a master playing community. 0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:53.080 Yeah, which I've got a couple of times I had 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:54.960 to go to an event at the Aviators Stadium. 0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:55.760 It's really nice. 0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:57.800 I just never really saw it as I was tifically 0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:00.279 like serving the tour risk. 0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:00.560 True. 0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.880 It's kind of interesting with that is that the locals 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.440 casinos actually had a really good year. What would be 0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:11.200 what you mean, like Green Well all the Stations casinos. 0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:12.920 Yeah, yeahah, but also Green Valley as well. Is they 0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:13.399 doing all right? 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:15.840 I believe? So that's one pretty close to me. 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:18.520 Yeah, I know, I like all the local casinos that 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:20.719 just like, yeah, stations overall had a very good year. 0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:23.480 It's good is because there's the asmr of just the 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:27.000 slot machines they're always like somewhere between completely empty or 0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.040 just a few people, but they somehow still make money. 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:30.400 I love them, are the best. 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.160 It's I also didn't realize before moving here that like 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:34.920 all of the movie theaters that. 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:36.400 You would go to or in casinos. 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:39.120 Yeah, there's one in the Orleans, and took my parents 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.160 there when they were in town. And there's just these 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:45.080 horrifying giant like chucky cheese looking animals, like a giant 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:45.880 statue to. 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:47.200 Them when you well, that's my jam. 0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:49.919 I fucking love it. No, my parents thought it was one. 0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:53.040 I'm not committed robot sexual Sadly. 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:56.919 They're not robots. They're just giant statues of rats. 0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:00.680 No, it's so strange key tournament there. 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:02.479 I did not see that the right, I swear. 0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:07.000 Maybe I just like hallucinate it just these just like, oh, yeah, 0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:08.759 my mum gave me pot or something. 0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:09.239 I don't know. 0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:11.360 But and that cab on the way down, Ed and 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.320 I were talking about ed ed On Gueslo and I 0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:16.320 were talking about my new favorite podcast, which is No Gods, 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:18.360 No Mayors, which is a podcast about the oaths that 0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:21.920 are mayors, And on that I learned that Las Vegas 0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.239 UH is not a city. Yeah, the city of Las 0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:26.280 Vegas is a suburb. 0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:28.319 On the other side, when you hear about the mayor 0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:31.680 of Las Vegas, this is an unincorporated area, right, we. 0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:36.600 Have Paradise and then yeah, the when I first moved here, 0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.960 I was like being explained all the different government structures, 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:43.719 like a lot of things in southern Nevada run through 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:44.520 Clark County. 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:46.200 Uh huh, just because it's. 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:49.719 Encompasses the tire or not entire but most of the 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:53.400 population that lives around this area. But Las Vegas itself 0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.160 is not the Strip. And then you have North Las 0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:57.400 Vegas and Henderson. 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.160 It's but the part of Las Vegas you see as 0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:04.440 a visitor to Las Vegas is an unincorporated county land 0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:05.320 right largely. 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:07.200 Yeah, so I also just want to be clear, it 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:11.640 wasn't rats. It was giant, kind of stoned looking crocodiles. 0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:19.400 Like they're just like they all look like animated. What 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:24.359 is the point like these things look like, Yeah, they 0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:26.359 look like they are just I don't want to know. 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:32.680 They're very they're very uh splash mountain looking, yes, like 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:34.359 a little alligator minstrel city. 0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:36.640 Oh god, I wonder if they have their own shredder. 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:38.880 You know, what do you mean, like a shredded like 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:40.600 the yeah, yeah, like. 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:43.759 Instead of you know, teenage Benja alligators and they've got 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.760 to like who's yeah, yeah. 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.799 It's the people that collect unemployment taxes. Like they're just 0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:52.000 constantly at war with them. 0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.400 It's like a dude who's just hanging in the sewer. 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:56.840 One thing else say is like, I know this sounds strange, 0:37:56.840 --> 0:38:00.719 but Vegas doesn't also seem that welcoming to see. Yes, 0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:03.719 Like it's it's weird. They you'd think that they cater 0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:05.480 to it more like when Raiders games are going on, 0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:08.239 there's a shit on a pop up events with this, 0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:11.400 it's like the only specific drinking specials or anything like 0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:14.319 that are just Lenovo has brought a restaurant, right. 0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:17.880 I mean, it's it's pretty crazy to see though, as 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.560 you know, I come to the strip probably a lot 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:24.560 less than people would think. Yeah, but I mean cees 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.600 maybe not getting drink deals, but it is everywhere on 0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:29.040 the strip. 0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:31.560 It is, but it's events where people have bought them. 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:34.839 It's not like they are. Vegas usually like opens their 0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:37.360 arms to people in like a just a kind of 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:39.080 a can I have your money please? 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:39.239 Thing? 0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:41.680 And I don't know whether it's just c Yes doesn't 0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:43.320 treat them with respect or something. 0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:47.440 It's just something they haven't forgiven them from disaggregating from AVN. 0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:50.319 I think, yeah, that's. 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:54.200 The thing they should never have done. It's because of 0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:55.000 fucking purity. 0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:57.640 I mean, yeah, you know that, I understand, but I 0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:59.600 understand intellectually like they should. 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.040 Have them in the same conference hall. 0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:04.000 Yes, actually yeah, it's now at Virgin Hotels, which I 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:05.480 kind of very funny. 0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.439 So the other event I come to in Vegas most 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:11.200 years is Defcon and talk about an event that Vegas does. 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:12.160 Not roll out the red car. 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:14.920 Yeah, we just keep getting turfed out of hotels and 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:15.800 conference centers. 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:21.080 So yeah, it's just it's weird. There's this combatative relationship 0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:23.239 with it as well as like, Okay, you'll hear you're 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:25.360 gonna spend a lot of money, but weirdly we don't 0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:28.920 love It's I I feel like both sides need to 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.160 come together and do something. But I guess Vegas is 0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:34.640 a city of honest cons and ces isn't. Ha No, 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:36.759 I mean like that's kind of what I love it here. 0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:38.880 It's like everyone's weird, so no one's weird. And also 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:41.720 we're like very human labor focused. 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:42.600 I mean there's that. 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.440 I mean, I think, like we talked about last year, 0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:49.880 there's a huge union culture and union participation here in Nevada. 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.520 That for a I think a state that has a 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.160 Republican governor and it was the first time in twenty 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:59.920 something years voted for Trump, very you didn't have it 0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:04.480 that there is a big focus on the people who 0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:08.440 make up the city, which I really have appreciated learning 0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:10.680 about that and that kind of the culture around work. 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:14.680 I mean, just like there is a in my opinion, 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:17.520 like I don't know, growing up in New York, maybe 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:22.000 I people would look down on some like service jobs. 0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:24.560 I don't think that's as much of a thing, at 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.480 least in my experience talking to people. 0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:28.960 I'm splitting time between both, I would say New York 0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:30.440 has got a hell of a lot better at that, 0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:32.360 like most people will talk to And also if you 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:34.719 have a disrespect for service people, chop your hands off 0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:36.319 for thirty seven to a review a piece of shit. 0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:39.400 But I like, yeah, this city is very pro labor, 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:41.920 and I guess the current state of the tech industry isn't. 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.800 Yeah, well I was gonna yeah, I was gonna. 0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:48.640 Conference where it's like, what if we didn't have people? 0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:50.200 There is like a. 0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:56.840 This like overarching theme of feels almost like anti human. Yeah, 0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.920 like we are trying to and I mean like tech innovation. 0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:02.960 Forever I've been like, how do we minimize the labor 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:05.920 cost of whatever? But it feels like we're taking it 0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:07.560 to such a degree. 0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:08.520 And everyone's so excited. 0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:10.520 Everyone's like, oh, I can't wait. 0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:13.000 I mean, yeah, there's people who are like excited to 0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:14.920 see people lose their child. 0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:16.799 And the thing is as well, like Vegas, one of 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:18.799 the best things here is go and fucking talk to 0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:20.759 the people working at the restaurants, at the door and 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.759 your cab. There's so many everyone in. No one comes 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.799 here by accident. Everyone like ends up here because they 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:28.439 had a few choices they needed to make. 0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:29.839 And it's like, I'm here. 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:31.719 You talked to like one of my good mates, I know, 0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:34.799 Arenstein used to work at Custiply Abs now in S 0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.720 and P in New York, one of my dearest friends. 0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:40.560 And it's because just Vegas, people fucking will talk to you. 0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:43.879 And there's never a case I've never talked to anyone here. 0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:45.680 And it just happened in New York, where there was 0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:46.719 like the look up and down? 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:48.319 Who were you? What do you do? 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:51.680 No? One everyone started whatre you Like, Yeah, don't know, 0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:55.799 there's a genuine every man culture here, And I don't 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:56.200 know if. 0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:56.799 This is the case. 0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.160 It probably isn't at a large scale, but yeah, I 0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:01.319 can imagine if you're well here, there is a certain 0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:03.799 degree of fuck off, Oh you want to replace me 0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:05.640 and everyone I know and everything I do. 0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:07.680 Yeah. I'm not sure how. 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:13.800 Ingrained or like supremely aware people are of that sentiment 0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:16.640 with history for like people who are just like going 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:17.319 about their day. 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:19.000 But I think, like. 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:22.640 It's always funny to see how the ads change in 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:24.439 Vegas based on what conferences in town. 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:25.680 Yeah, I think. 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:29.160 I mean I've certainly picked up on when there's like 0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:32.560 a tech show, like some of them are like the. 0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:33.520 Human need not apply. 0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:39.920 I mean not literally that, but no, it's yeah, I mean. 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:41.920 There are literal I don't know if they ran them here, 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:43.960 But there's that one I saw in the Bay. 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:44.880 I don't think I saw that one. 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:49.040 And they did that specifically to drama about right, because 0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.600 that if people are running around saying this AI company 0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:55.680 is so good at what it does, that it's going 0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:57.560 to replace humans that investors are like. 0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:01.200 Oh, that's the advertising campaign of llm's in general. 0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:05.480 Well, say, like the fear you're putting people into is 0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:07.360 making them take your products seriously? 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:09.480 Yeah, market even though work. 0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:11.920 I mean it's just another chat SHE'DBT rapper. 0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:15.319 Yeah exactly, it's just And I had this conversation with 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:17.560 the radio earlier about like, oh, the MGM's chat boys 0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:20.319 replaced in concierge. Just no, it isn't. They just wanted 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:23.080 to lay some people off. Like also, I feel like 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.160 concierge culture he was kind of dead because I don't 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.560 interact with it enough. No, but it's like it used, 0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:30.279 like ten to fifteen years ago you would talk to 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:31.799 the concierge and they'd be able to get you into 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:34.400 a show or a restaurant. Now there's so many people, 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:36.320 it's just like, can you get me a reservation? 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:38.000 Just use open table mate. 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:41.759 There was, Yeah, there was this story I did a 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:45.000 while back about this website called Restaurant Trader. 0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:50.280 Oh yeah, that was and one of the little nuggets 0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:53.240 of information that I got out of it that I 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:54.719 wanted to make it into a bigger thing, but I 0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:59.319 just wasn't able to was that there were concierge folks 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:04.480 who were getting reservations sound like through their job to 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.440 then put on restaurant trader that people would pay that 0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:11.480 on the side, dhaustedly, Oh wow, where like I think 0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:14.680 there was an option on the website where you could 0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:17.680 like pretty much request to work with a concierge. 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:25.120 Well, so, yeah, it's that that's a little anecdoti And 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.120 when trader like is like banned in multiple New York 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:31.080 restaurants New York City. Sorry, it was the New York 0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:36.799 Assembly that passed a law. Fuck, yeah, that was I 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:38.520 think there was a there was a similar effort here 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:40.120 in Nevada. That's why I was writing about it. 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.239 I genuinely think it should be an actual crime to 0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:44.000 resell a poison. 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:47.120 The most disgusting version of this was there was a 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:50.160 bro who was paying people to call the I r 0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:52.360 S when the lines opened at eight in the morning 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:55.279 and sit in the hold queue and then sell their 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:58.840 positions in the I r S hold queue to people 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.719 who wanted to figure out how what's going on with her? 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:03.760 That should be adjailable offense. 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:06.120 Well, he was eventually shut down, but I don't think 0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:08.360 he was ever put in jail much as he absolutely 0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:11.480 holding your holding a place in line fans, that's right. 0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:13.960 He should be put in the books. They put Captain 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:17.239 Captain Jack her massage one. No, I'm talking about that. 0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:21.280 Anyone watched torch Wood torch Wood when they put Captain 0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:23.759 Jack in the concrete box, Well go and watch that. 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:26.040 Look, Yeah, that's where that guy should go. 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:28.960 It's Can I tell you my best Vegas? 0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:30.640 Please please please? Story. 0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:35.320 So my sister in law's good friends started a guide 0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.520 to places to romantic hotels called the Mister and Missus 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:39.080 Smith Guides. 0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:41.439 What was the romantic hotel in this case? 0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:44.400 So the we were asked to come and review a hotel, 0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:45.840 and the way that it works is they ring up 0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:47.920 ahead and they said, we're the mister Smith company. We're 0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:49.840 thinking about putting you in the guide. We're going to 0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:52.680 send some anonymous reviewers. What we would like is a 0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:55.520 voucher for the manager to present at checkout that says 0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:58.080 these people should be camped, but they will book the 0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:01.080 reservation as per normal. The staff won't know until you 0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:03.120 check out. So we stayed in the high roller suite 0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:06.080 at the MGM Nice. So it was an eighteen hundred 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:08.720 dollars a night, fourteen hundred square foot two story suite 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.400 with a butler, and it was the first time we 0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:13.200 ever interacted with a concierge. 0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:16.200 It was very good. This was in two thousand and five. 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:18.279 It was the weekend we got engaged, so we came 0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:20.960 here about engaging and we stayed in the hotel. I 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:23.200 was I was teaching in la and my wife would 0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:25.560 come over and was working for BBC America, and it 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:30.600 was it was so great and like the concierge culture, 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.160 and they had lots of perks. The best thing they 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.920 had was they came in they gave us a menu 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:38.120 of newspapers and we were like, how do you get 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.799 these newspapers? Because it was the Singapore Straits Times and 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:44.600 mine Las Vegas Sun, the Las Vegas Sun as well, 0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:48.359 but no international papers. And they would print it on 0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:52.640 eleven but they had a facsimile newspaper service. They printed 0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:56.600 on eleven by seventeen inch hot heavy stock and bind 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.520 it in silk ribbon and they would and so we 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:02.239 ordered like eleven newspapers and we would come out in 0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:04.040 the morning and the butler would have laid them out 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:08.759 in a fan on the on the coffee table from 0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:12.480 all over the world. That morning's paper, that's beautiful, International 0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:18.560 Hair Tribune whatever on creamy eleven seventeen with a with 0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.520 a like a sort of pinkish silver silk ribbon in 0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:21.880 the corner. 0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:23.200 Was that additional cost? 0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:24.680 No, it was all bundled him with. 0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:28.000 I mean, was amazing the margins there when you're getting someone, 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:31.239 Oh yeah, of course twenty five ten grand at night. Yeah, 0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:33.439 And that's the thing, Like Vegas is a service culture place. 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:37.279 Like shit, we're going to spego tonightbout Garcia. I've a 0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:42.319 GM there, fantastic place. Look over the Blogio Fountain, I 0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:44.920 mean formerly Bazomie. I don't I have my thoughts on that, 0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:46.920 but like there are so many great restaurants here with 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:50.439 like lovely service. The Grecure Loto is brilliant, and even 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:54.000 like Main Street Station's fucking great too, Like they let's. 0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:56.160 Get a pretty good Pristami sandwich at New York, New York. 0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:59.680 There's a great margarita deal at the station's casinos. 0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:01.840 But the Street Station as a microbrewery, doesn't it. 0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:03.120 I'm just saying no. 0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:04.879 But that's the thing, Like you can go, you can 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:06.239 have a laugh, or if you want to do the 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:08.960 fancy stuff, you can go at any number of places. 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:11.120 I mean, like the whole thing about this city is 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.800 it's relatively accessible, affordable, and if you want to spend 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:16.800 some money, well you can spend some money and like 0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:19.239 have a luxury experience and it's not as expensive as 0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:22.840 doing it in the other cities. And I just it's weird, 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:24.880 how I will just fucking say this. I don't think 0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:27.359 people who come to ces are grateful enough for how 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:30.799 accessible the city is, in part because CS fucks it up. 0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:33.840 Yeah, it's pretty difficult to get into that building like 0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:35.600 the Center. 0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:38.880 I mean, you can go to the Renaissance Hotel and 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:41.080 then they ubers will be like, I'm being told to 0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:42.840 go somewhere else and you're like, mate, I don't know 0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:45.480 where to go because CEA doesn't know how to wipe 0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:48.000 their asshole. At this point, how many CS has be 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:51.040 done with uber around fucking anyway, I'm. 0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:52.360 A big fan of the monorail for dirt. 0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:56.879 Monorail. Is there a chance the track could bend? 0:48:57.680 --> 0:49:00.680 I mean hopefully not, consider I don't on a diet 0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:05.480 outside Harris, but it's like I will say also that 0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:08.160 Harris was cheaper this year, even on like an expensive night. 0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:10.319 It was three hundred bucks night, which doesn't sound cheap, 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:13.040 but it is for cees and which makes me wonder 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:14.520 if CES attendance was down. 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.560 I so I'm mad at Caesar's harra for kicking deaf 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:19.719 Con out. I wouldn't stay there again. 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:22.880 And that's the thing, Vegas. I'm not going to be romanding, 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:25.920 but it used to be. But it feels like that's 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:28.640 a that's a dollar to be made to work with 0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:31.040 the people at deaf Cone and be like, Okay, we 0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:34.719 have security concerns. What are some things that right deaf 0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:36.640 Con could do to make you comfortable? 0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:38.239 And then we could make you comfortable too. 0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.520 The last also, the last time I stayed at Harrah's, 0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:42.400 they gave me a room that not only didn't have 0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:44.120 a desk, it didn't have a closet. 0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:44.880 Oh. 0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:46.640 I was like, where do I hang up my stuff? 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:48.520 And they're like, if you want a room with a closet, 0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:51.200 that's an extra charge. Jesus Christ, what year was that? 0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:52.719 That was two years ago at deaf Con. 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:54.960 That's supremely fucked. 0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:55.319 It was. 0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:59.120 Years ago, deaf three years ago deaf Con in Releiss. 0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:01.200 You what you're just saying, thought i'd pull this up. 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:05.520 The average daily room rate on the strip. This is, 0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:08.799 you know, year to date comparing November twenty twenty five 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:11.600 to twenty twenty four, on the strip's actually falling four 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:15.319 point seven percent and downtown six point Interesting. 0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:18.840 Yeah, I just everything's out of sorts. 0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:21.000 This is but that's the room that's the rack rate, 0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:23.319 and they're piling it up with junk fees. So the 0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.880 rack rate is not the price, right, the one you 0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:28.239 have to add in the junk fees together. 0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:30.560 I believe that's inclusive. Is that inclusive? I believe? 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:34.360 I mean that's the average, that's the room rate itself. Okay, 0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:36.359 you know that's a one to one comparison last year. 0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:38.239 I'm not positive, but yeah. 0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:40.719 I just feel like there is an ocean of opportunity 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.120 here for the CEA if they could do one thing 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:46.440 right and just like Gary Sparrow come on the show, 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:50.040 CTA CTA, CTA, is that CTA c ATA. I don't 0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:52.120 know who fucking runs this shit. They centainly don't want 0:50:52.160 --> 0:50:54.080 to talk to me, but it's like, so I have. 0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:57.239 To say, I've known Gary Shapiro for twenty years. I've 0:50:57.239 --> 0:51:00.239 never had a bad interaction with him. I don't know 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.839 all the dealings of the CTA, yeah, but I've never 0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:06.040 had a I get the impression that he is someone 0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:08.800 who is in charge of an industry association with several large, 0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:11.920 important members that like to throw their weight around, and 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:17.040 he is the peacemaker and coalition binder of this, this big, 0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:21.279 desparate organization. I'm not going to like defend CA and 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:24.160 its members, but you know, I do think that Gary 0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:28.040 Shapiro is holding together a very fractious group. 0:51:28.239 --> 0:51:30.600 Well, I've been saying CEA incorrectly for days, so I 0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:34.120 apologize that. Also, Ben is not your son. 0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:37.040 I think they were. I think they were the CA. Okay, 0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:40.520 his name to CTA because electronics sounds a little outmoded. 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:43.880 I just feel like the CTA, now I'm saying it correctly, 0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:46.040 could work directly with Vegas and do way more. There's 0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:48.359 just it feels like they could streamline this whole thing 0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:51.439 and they get a little bit better because it's been 0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:54.080 here long enough that it's it's still too chaotic. 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:56.400 Yeah, I'm not sure about the exact relationship they have, 0:51:56.480 --> 0:52:00.480 but they do have a pretty close working relationship, especially 0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:03.879 when it comes down to like construction and renovations within 0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:05.239 the convention center. 0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:07.960 How about getting people to and from the convention I 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:08.239 think it. 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:11.520 I mean there was there's another reporter, Alan Stell, who 0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:12.680 had a uh. 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:14.960 I'm just gonna call it a tweet. I don't care. 0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:19.480 That was about like the difficulty of biking to the 0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:20.240 convention center. 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:21.560 It's really really hard. 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:24.360 I'm so sorry, you're a psychopath if you buy that 0:52:24.400 --> 0:52:25.080 convention stead. 0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:26.880 You know, I was thinking about e bikes when we 0:52:26.880 --> 0:52:29.920 were stuck in traffic today and thinking this would be fastest. 0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:32.839 I mean, biking throughout Vegas is quite hard. 0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:36.200 Yeah, I would never is that because bikes aren't allowed 0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:36.520 on the. 0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:40.360 I mean there's no infrastructure. I mean there is instructure, 0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:42.240 but there's not a lot of infrastructure for bikes. 0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:44.120 I mean, the way it was today, you would have 0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:46.799 been moving five times faster than on the road. 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:50.080 But it's like we've had this convention hip for a 0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:55.239 while and it's still insanely difficult to get around. And 0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:57.120 it's not And they will probably say, well, you know, 0:52:57.160 --> 0:52:58.680 it's a big conventions. 0:52:58.120 --> 0:52:58.920 A lot of people. 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:01.840 I can go around. I went to dinner Drew in 0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:03.960 the f one. It was not that different. 0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:08.440 What if they had helicopters that came in and skyjacked 0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:11.919 any car that moved into the junction when I didn't 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:16.479 have time to completely and block the grid. Yeah, just 0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:18.880 just like take those cars and then dry and and 0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:21.320 then like take them out to the Grand Canyon. Just 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:23.080 leave them at the bottom of the Grand or. 0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:24.440 A big arm that just took them. 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:28.400 There was a there was a little viral clip of 0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:30.160 the new Zooks. 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:33.040 One get stuck like it was. 0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:36.400 It didn't get stuck, it moved eventually, but it was 0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:37.520 like in the That's. 0:53:37.440 --> 0:53:39.879 Not your company. 0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:42.480 But they were just like in the middle of a 0:53:42.520 --> 0:53:45.319 turn in a giant like strip intersection for like a 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:47.640 good little bit of time, and everyone around like what 0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:48.120 are they doing? 0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:51.520 Like cab drivers are just saying the most ugly shit 0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:52.080 of old time. 0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:55.480 Well, I just can't imagine being like the visitor and 0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:59.080 freaking out transparent boxes. 0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:02.719 Everyone's is that you like the Homo sampsum thing where 0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:05.040 he gets stuck and has to be craned out. Right, 0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:07.480 I mean, this is a town bereft of shame, but 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.239 even that, that's a new kind of shame we invented 0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:11.240 here in Las Vegas. 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:12.360 It's your adults. 0:54:12.680 --> 0:54:15.440 I've fallen in love with weimos as an Angelino because 0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:17.160 you can make a left turn into their path and 0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:18.839 they'll just defer to you and they won't even hank 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:21.200 although yeah, and I'm just like, fuck you, right the 0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:24.080 right roads for people, not robots, last yourself. 0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:25.040 It's my ship, my street. 0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:28.080 That last time, last time, I was in Santisco and 0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:30.120 I took away Moo, I got out of it, watched 0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:32.160 as a Waymo in front of it got stuck at 0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:34.719 the inter I watched it gets stuck at the intersection. 0:54:34.960 --> 0:54:37.719 Then another Weymo gets stuck behind it, and I checked 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.040 back half an hour it was still fucking sick, just 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.719 like beautiful, just like stare at like by the w 0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:45.759 hotel and just staring out into nothing this as people 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:48.400 are like, yeah, this thing isn't fucking hearing you. 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:49.440 It can only see. 0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:52.400 Was it ser Fantisco where a bunch of people just 0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:54.759 kept calling weymos to one spot until it just. 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:58.680 Can no sorry, yes, that was actually yeah yeah, and 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:02.000 people putting like traffic cones on top lender. I think 0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:03.759 it was really funny when that was happening and people 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:05.640 were like, you can't deface way Moe. 0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:07.960 It's like, this is domestic terrorist. 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:13.800 Do people fucking say that, okay damage? It is illegal 0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:16.239 to smash up a car, so I will accept that 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:17.279 property damage is. 0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:18.320 A legal is it though? 0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:19.000 Yeah? 0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:23.799 Yeah, I don't know lost the cops or maybe I 0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:25.040 don't think they'd have the answer. 0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:30.120 Yeah, cops are like, wow, obviously correct in forty percent 0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:34.799 of cases Google forty cops. Yeah, I can see what 0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:41.040 comes up, right, the truth, the truth about this specific situation. Yeah, 0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:44.879 it's it's unfortunate. I feel like that everything feels out 0:55:44.880 --> 0:55:46.879 of sync here. I feel like the CTA could work 0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:49.279 with Vegas and make this a little bit easier. I 0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:52.160 also think the CTA needs to fucking kick companies out 0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:55.719 from renting restaurants in the Venetian. I think it's fucking stupid. 0:55:55.880 --> 0:55:58.120 I don't think we should lose an entire restaurant because 0:55:58.200 --> 0:56:01.080 Lenovo needs to do the slop hour where they're like, 0:56:01.120 --> 0:56:03.520 we had it in LLLM to your fucking laptop, you 0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:07.480 disgusting pig, you nasty pick. Yeah they did that. They 0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:09.600 didn't call you a nasty pig though. If they did that, 0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:11.640 I'd be fine if they were like, you nasty hogs 0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:14.560 do you like your slop, you pigs, I'd be like fine. 0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:16.760 Is so what I want is for Lenovo to distribute 0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:21.440 badge flair that's a little adhesive backed pointer, red pointer 0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:23.600 nub oh yeah yeah, I think pad and that, Like 0:56:23.640 --> 0:56:25.839 everyone can can go to the Lenova party and then 0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:28.719 have the red Lenova pointer on their badge. 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:31.040 Yeah, but if you have a green one, well then 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:32.120 you can do anything to them. 0:56:32.360 --> 0:56:39.520 I yeah, it's sorry. It's Vegas. Yeah, it's it's weird. 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:40.960 It's just weird. I don't know. 0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:44.279 I I love living in Vegas, and then this this week, 0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:46.560 it's just all of the Vegas stuff that's fun kind 0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:49.600 of turns off. We've had less fun off strip vent 0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:52.440 like things. No one's blown up a car. There's not 0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:55.800 been any like interesting stunts. It's like they everyone forgot 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:57.719 to have fun or make anything this year. 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:01.239 It's it's really sad. It's sad. 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:05.919 I'm upset that like CS is kind of not having fun, 0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:09.080 and neither is Vegas rules kind of sitting is rolling 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:11.680 around in our filth at least I am yeah one 0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:15.520 just staring at me. I'm not filthy. I've been showering 0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:20.320 every day. We just send no when I was on 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:21.880 the show earlier. I felt bad for them, but they 0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:25.680 were like, well, what about Lenovo's ai AS system. I'm like, yeah, 0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:28.120 that's just an LM, and they're like yeah, but like, 0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:30.560 what if it in the future. I'm like, what if 0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:32.600 it did what in the future, And they're like, what 0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:33.120 it would be? 0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:35.480 What if we breathe these horses to run so fast 0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:38.480 that eventually one of the mayors gives birth to a locomotive. 0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:41.200 On something. 0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:45.920 Okay, what if we all ship ourselves enough and maybe 0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:47.280 our asses all white themselves. 0:57:47.440 --> 0:57:50.080 We need more hay than it currently exists on the planet. 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:54.640 That's right, We've thrown a ball so fast that it 0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:55.720 now flies. 0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:59.360 That well covered unprecedented reserves of hey in other countries. 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:03.160 That we're not. We're gonna We're gonna do it. We're 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:04.480 just gonna run down for a few years. 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:10.919 Beautiful, big, beautiful, Hey, big beautiful, the big We love him. 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:14.840 That's the sister town to hay on Why and whales beautiful? 0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:18.439 Oh God, Like the whole week my brain has been broken. 0:58:18.560 --> 0:58:20.439 Someone sent me a video of someoneding Trump was going 0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:22.439 I made a boom boom, I mean the biggest boom 0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:23.280 boom i've ever seen. 0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:28.720 They're saying, it's quite beautiful. Yeah, and this specific week 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:29.720 is like even that. 0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:32.040 The Trump voice just I don't know if this is. 0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:32.920 The week to do it. 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:38.680 Very sad, but you know yet Trump. Yeah, he's still alive, Chicken. Yeah, 0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:41.160 I mean he's still going. 0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:41.680 Now. 0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:45.320 The upcoming ad you're gonna get is for nothing political, 0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:49.400 nothing weird. Everything's normal here. We're all the most normal 0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:52.560 people to ever do a podcast in history. And you 0:58:52.680 --> 0:58:54.920 too can be the most normal person ever if you 0:58:55.000 --> 0:58:58.840 buy and or listen to the following advertisement. Just throw 0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:01.600 your fucking credit card, your phone, your pig. I'm sorry, 0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:03.600 you're not a pig. I please don't stop listening to 0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:05.480 my show. I desperately need the downloads. 0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:17.680 Diane. 0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:20.000 I'm once again finding myself in front of a microphone 0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:23.280 and beautiful sunny Las Vegas, Nevada, even though it's nighttime 0:59:23.360 --> 0:59:25.840 or i've been for what feels like weeks. I'm surrounded 0:59:25.840 --> 0:59:30.400 by several wayward travelers that I adore, starting with another 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:33.480 journalist and activist. I think author. 0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:36.240 Cory Doctor Well, Hello, edit, that nice to be here. 0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:39.080 That's him, and we've got Garrison Davis of it could 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:41.920 happen here, I apologize, we had a podcasting emergency. No, 0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:46.920 it's fine, we are doing it now. And Carl Shnard 0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:50.600 of the Las Vegas Sun, Hello, and of course Edward 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:51.560 and Graso Jr. 0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:52.440 Hello? 0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:56.320 Who is Who's Diane As? 0:59:56.360 --> 0:59:59.440 It's a Twin Peaks reference. I thought it was a 0:59:59.520 --> 1:00:00.480 Cheers ference. 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:05.680 And that's what I'm not. That's Robert Evans behind the 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:09.400 Bosto's Yeah, and famous Cheers fan, famous Cheers head. Yeah, 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:12.720 and he Robert is very excited because we have the 1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:15.880 pieces to make what was it? We've got to cu 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:17.640 We've got we've got a CD. 1:00:18.520 --> 1:00:22.280 Cory doctor c D. You've got a Robert. We've got 1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:25.840 us his last name, yeah, because there's not an first 1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:27.840 name here. And then what's the end. The editor is 1:00:27.880 --> 1:00:31.200 Matt Matt, so cd ROM also some other people's names 1:00:31.280 --> 1:00:33.240 and some Yeah, sure you have to add other names. 1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:34.480 What's the cd ROM? 1:00:34.520 --> 1:00:35.120 Oh? 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:37.600 Oh, it's what you when you have an ISO and 1:00:37.640 --> 1:00:40.400 you want to convert it to optical media, you take 1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:45.320 that ISO optic toast the one onto the other. 1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:46.560 Yeah. 1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:49.280 When you've pirated Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven and you have 1:00:49.360 --> 1:00:51.000 to you have to make your computer think that you've 1:00:51.000 --> 1:00:54.680 put a CD, oh my daddy CD, and I've been 1:00:54.760 --> 1:00:56.600 played with that with that in a minute. 1:00:56.600 --> 1:01:00.480 I miss I miss pirrating and the little isovern bringing 1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:00.760 it off. 1:01:00.840 --> 1:01:03.400 I missed when the only way I had Microsoft Office 1:01:03.440 --> 1:01:05.720 was a pirated version that never touched the Internet and 1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:09.400 didn't ask me to use co pilot everything. Yeah, it 1:01:09.520 --> 1:01:10.040 really is sick. 1:01:10.080 --> 1:01:12.360 I remember when I started reading classified ads and it 1:01:12.440 --> 1:01:15.560 was like, uh, you know s w F, I s 1:01:15.640 --> 1:01:18.160 O s w M. And I was like a straight 1:01:18.160 --> 1:01:21.439 white female as an ISO frustrate white male. 1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:22.720 I don't understand. 1:01:23.360 --> 1:01:28.480 Yeah, Garrison, was that a legit question? No, I'm sorry, 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:30.520 that would have been No, Honestly, if it was honest, 1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:31.440 that would have been fired. 1:01:31.800 --> 1:01:34.480 It was barely though, because like my dad used it 1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:37.760 for the music he purchased legally on the Internet and 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:39.760 transferring it to CDs when I was a kid. But 1:01:39.800 --> 1:01:42.160 like I just I got like the last bit of 1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:45.360 CD rock like probably like my younger siblings don't know 1:01:45.360 --> 1:01:45.720 what a CD. 1:01:45.920 --> 1:01:47.880 Meanwhile, I once owned a ZIP drive. 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:51.760 I had the same I had a jazz drive. Yeah, no, 1:01:51.840 --> 1:01:53.480 my dad, this is the kind of kid I was. 1:01:53.480 --> 1:01:53.760 My dad. 1:01:53.840 --> 1:01:55.640 I had a dwarfull of scuzzy terminators. 1:01:57.600 --> 1:02:00.360 Jesus Christ. They took me a minute for remember what 1:02:00.440 --> 1:02:02.440 scuzzy referred to. So that was the one where you 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:04.440 screwed it into like it had literal screws. 1:02:04.720 --> 1:02:06.440 You had to set dip switches on the back. And 1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:08.720 if you gave two scuzzy devices the same idea, all 1:02:08.760 --> 1:02:10.600 of your drives would go south forever. 1:02:10.760 --> 1:02:11.720 Hell yeah, I love it. 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:14.160 Computers used to be used to have to fight with 1:02:14.280 --> 1:02:16.560 the computers and they administer a lethal shock. 1:02:17.200 --> 1:02:18.720 Used to be a proper country. 1:02:19.200 --> 1:02:20.200 Now we used to. 1:02:20.440 --> 1:02:23.560 We used to have jazz drives, zip drives now anyone. 1:02:23.600 --> 1:02:25.560 Now you just drop box gives you a whole, a 1:02:25.560 --> 1:02:29.320 whole terror bio to any all sorts and sundry. 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:32.840 Unlimited access for the US government without a warrant, but 1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:35.480 also unlimited access for the chat box that they signed 1:02:35.520 --> 1:02:36.000 deals with. 1:02:36.440 --> 1:02:39.200 You know, be fair. I did see earlier that chat 1:02:39.240 --> 1:02:43.360 GPT apparently is doing a Hippo compliant chat GPT, which 1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:46.440 just is a lie. What again, it's a lie. I 1:02:46.560 --> 1:02:48.160 thought it's a fucking lie. 1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:52.120 Imagine how many GPTs we've seen in health like like 1:02:52.120 --> 1:02:55.640 like wearable products, just just like these past few days. 1:02:55.680 --> 1:02:57.880 Yeah again, we're talking about this on the other show. 1:02:57.920 --> 1:03:00.760 But you can tell. One of the the things that 1:03:00.800 --> 1:03:04.000 you can divide the people with AI products between is 1:03:04.160 --> 1:03:07.600 the ninety percent for whom if you ask them what 1:03:07.720 --> 1:03:10.720 happens if somebody like if there's a data breach with 1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:12.920 all of this biometric data you've put in the cloud, 1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:17.920 they go what or we're really concerned with safety, right. 1:03:17.920 --> 1:03:19.520 They'll give you one of those two answers, but they 1:03:19.520 --> 1:03:21.960 don't actually have an answer. And then there's the much 1:03:22.000 --> 1:03:24.600 smaller ten to twenty percent of people bringing products who 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:26.280 will tell you right up front the second you come 1:03:26.280 --> 1:03:29.000 to their booth. This does not touch the cloud. It 1:03:29.080 --> 1:03:32.040 never goes online. It is entirely on device. 1:03:32.320 --> 1:03:36.280 I'm trying to work out how anything GPT can be 1:03:36.360 --> 1:03:39.040 Hippo compliant, though it can't, I mean, based on my 1:03:39.160 --> 1:03:41.640 understanding of Hippa, I'm sure they're working out a deal 1:03:41.760 --> 1:03:44.600 with I mean now that the government's run by who's 1:03:44.680 --> 1:03:45.080 run by? 1:03:45.200 --> 1:03:45.640 But like. 1:03:47.400 --> 1:03:49.960 You sketch out a way that it could be hippo compliant. 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:55.360 So HIPPA, although it's commonly called a consumer privacy law, 1:03:55.440 --> 1:03:57.800 is not a consumer privacy law because it only affects 1:03:57.800 --> 1:03:59.760 your rights as a patient and not as a consumer. 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:00.960 And so if you. 1:04:00.920 --> 1:04:05.360 Were to construct a kind of matrioshka where the inside 1:04:05.480 --> 1:04:09.120 doll is a consumer company that is providing you with 1:04:09.320 --> 1:04:14.520 consumer medical services and the outside of the doll is 1:04:14.560 --> 1:04:21.120 a medical company that does nothing except kind of exists 1:04:21.120 --> 1:04:23.280 as a fig leaf like that, like the MD whose 1:04:23.360 --> 1:04:26.600 name is on the private equity owned practice, then what 1:04:26.680 --> 1:04:28.480 you could say is, well, you haven't given us any 1:04:28.480 --> 1:04:31.760 medical data, You've only given us consumer data. Therefore it 1:04:31.800 --> 1:04:34.120 is hipp A compliant, like we have structured Hippo compliance 1:04:34.320 --> 1:04:37.160 through the compliance regime and not through the Hippa regime. 1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:39.680 Okay, okay, yeah, that makes sense. I just think if 1:04:39.720 --> 1:04:42.120 you feed your healthcare that you're into this, you deserve 1:04:42.160 --> 1:04:43.200 whatever comes out. 1:04:43.520 --> 1:04:45.919 Like It's just I would I would like it's easy 1:04:45.920 --> 1:04:47.720 to take that attitude. 1:04:47.720 --> 1:04:50.240 People are being canned into it and claimed this morph. 1:04:50.600 --> 1:04:52.160 And it's going to be it's they're going to be 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:53.840 conduit into it. The same way a lot of people 1:04:53.880 --> 1:04:55.800 were condon into getting addicted to pain killers, where they 1:04:55.800 --> 1:04:58.120 will be in the doctor's office, their doctor will have 1:04:58.160 --> 1:05:00.760 gotten flown out for a VAK or put on a 1:05:00.840 --> 1:05:03.160 cruise where they were pitched on this and their doctor 1:05:03.200 --> 1:05:05.760 will say there's a wearable that can help you keep 1:05:05.800 --> 1:05:09.520 track of your cholesterol, And this sixty five year old 1:05:09.560 --> 1:05:13.480 person will not immediately think, like people who professionally worry 1:05:13.480 --> 1:05:16.160 about this stuff, is my data safe? 1:05:16.520 --> 1:05:17.920 What? What is it being safeguard? 1:05:18.080 --> 1:05:22.000 Can a prompt injection attack reveal all of my biomede? 1:05:22.040 --> 1:05:25.600 They'll think, They'll think, you know, I am not special enough, right. 1:05:25.640 --> 1:05:28.720 I understand the nature of targets of opportunity, But the 1:05:28.760 --> 1:05:29.240 thing I'm. 1:05:29.120 --> 1:05:31.760 Worried about is more than it will give you the 1:05:31.800 --> 1:05:33.880 wrong advice more than anything. 1:05:34.320 --> 1:05:36.840 I mean that in terms of objective health realities, that 1:05:36.960 --> 1:05:39.640 is the big concern. But also I mean, and that's 1:05:39.640 --> 1:05:41.720 part of what I'm saying, is that when people, the 1:05:41.760 --> 1:05:44.520 majority of people I suspect who come into these devices 1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:47.040 will not have made a choice to go it into 1:05:47.080 --> 1:05:49.320 the world and buy something. They will have been advised 1:05:49.360 --> 1:05:52.600 by a medical professional. They trust that this is a 1:05:52.640 --> 1:05:55.280 good product for them. And that's part of what worries 1:05:55.280 --> 1:05:56.840 me in terms of it hallucinating, in terms of it 1:05:56.880 --> 1:06:00.120 not being reliable, because the doctors probably will not be 1:06:00.280 --> 1:06:03.880 competent to judge whether or not the AI is reliable, but. 1:06:03.800 --> 1:06:06.880 I also think it's that no one can afford healthcare anyway. 1:06:07.080 --> 1:06:09.480 Yeah, exactly. And that's the thing with like AI therapy 1:06:09.560 --> 1:06:13.080 that I always say, It's like, it's obviously evil, obviously bad, terrible, 1:06:13.120 --> 1:06:14.960 it's going to reinforce things. But at the same time, 1:06:15.000 --> 1:06:19.480 therapy is extremely expensive. Yeah, and when it's covered by 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:22.480 health care plants, which it's often not. And I don't 1:06:22.480 --> 1:06:24.240 even think therapy is covered under the NHS. 1:06:24.280 --> 1:06:24.400 There. 1:06:24.400 --> 1:06:27.640 If it is, it's extremely it is. When I was there, 1:06:27.680 --> 1:06:28.880 I could not find a therapist. 1:06:28.920 --> 1:06:31.400 It was hard to find a therapist. But there it 1:06:31.480 --> 1:06:32.240 is covered. 1:06:32.280 --> 1:06:34.160 Then it may is like the thing is, then it 1:06:34.200 --> 1:06:36.280 may as well not be. And I say, this is 1:06:36.320 --> 1:06:39.160 a big NHS defender and lover of the NHS mental health. 1:06:39.200 --> 1:06:41.840 Is this weird bifurcated thing where everything's too expensive? 1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:43.440 So yeah, well, I mean, and that was I went 1:06:43.480 --> 1:06:45.600 to a panel that was about AI in the Future 1:06:45.600 --> 1:06:48.480 of mental health. And I went there hoping that it 1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:51.240 or expecting it to be a normal panel where I 1:06:51.480 --> 1:06:53.720 harass whoever is up there during the q and a. 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:57.560 But no, it was one very earnest clinical therapist who 1:06:57.600 --> 1:07:01.120 was talking about people are already used AIS for therapy. 1:07:01.240 --> 1:07:03.320 We have data on how often that's being done, and 1:07:03.360 --> 1:07:05.160 we have data on the harms. And one of the 1:07:05.160 --> 1:07:08.400 reasons why it's harmful is because the ais are programmed 1:07:08.440 --> 1:07:10.520 to keep you using them as long as possible, and 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:12.919 that there's certain behaviors that they exhibit that are bad 1:07:12.960 --> 1:07:15.760 for people. So we if we're going if it's possible 1:07:15.800 --> 1:07:18.320 to make a healthy therapeutic AI, these are the things 1:07:18.320 --> 1:07:19.640 that would need to do and not do. And one 1:07:19.680 --> 1:07:21.280 of the things is it would not have it would 1:07:21.280 --> 1:07:23.880 need to not work the way AI chatbots work in 1:07:23.960 --> 1:07:26.640 terms of constantly. And my question for her after the 1:07:26.680 --> 1:07:29.360 show was like, well, but like that seems like people 1:07:29.440 --> 1:07:32.600 won't use it and will just keep using the chaos. 1:07:32.640 --> 1:07:33.080 They're true. 1:07:33.400 --> 1:07:38.120 I think people journaling is a well understood therapeutical modality. 1:07:38.840 --> 1:07:41.720 Journaling with prompts is a well understood therapeutic modality. I 1:07:41.760 --> 1:07:45.000 think those prompts don't have to be very sophisticated, uh, 1:07:45.040 --> 1:07:46.520 And I think that there are lots of people who 1:07:46.560 --> 1:07:49.200 would find it nice to have a thing where when 1:07:49.240 --> 1:07:52.040 you type some stuff, gave you a response and said, 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:53.120 you know, tell me more. 1:07:53.240 --> 1:07:55.880 I think you've kind of like this rosebud or something 1:07:55.920 --> 1:07:58.360 like there are ones like that as well. It's just 1:07:58.400 --> 1:08:01.160 when it comes to therapeutics, I guess more. 1:08:01.200 --> 1:08:03.760 My My concern was that I don't deny that there 1:08:03.800 --> 1:08:06.160 is a market and there are people who would get utility, 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:08.160 and you probably could make a device that could handle 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:11.960 that responsibly, but I don't see that as solving the 1:08:12.080 --> 1:08:15.080 societal issue of huge numbers of people use it because 1:08:15.600 --> 1:08:18.920 the chatbots are addicted, right, and that's what like that? 1:08:18.920 --> 1:08:21.680 That was my and to be very clear to her, 1:08:21.720 --> 1:08:23.760 I liked this person, and her answer was when I 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:26.360 brought that up, I have that concern too, and I 1:08:26.400 --> 1:08:28.880 think it might not be really possible for this to 1:08:29.000 --> 1:08:29.360 help them. 1:08:29.439 --> 1:08:31.240 Well, the good news is is that none of this 1:08:31.400 --> 1:08:34.080 is remotely profitable in any way, and healthcare dates or 1:08:34.160 --> 1:08:39.479 is extremely extremely token intensive, and so anyone using this 1:08:39.680 --> 1:08:41.639 is just working on borrowed time. 1:08:42.120 --> 1:08:45.160 And in defense of chatbots and medical applications, they are 1:08:45.200 --> 1:08:48.240 reliably good at upcoting things in EHR, so you can 1:08:48.320 --> 1:08:49.080 rip off in sure. 1:08:49.000 --> 1:08:49.639 Which is great. 1:08:49.680 --> 1:08:53.080 And hey, no, I've heard that's the one that is 1:08:53.080 --> 1:08:55.840 the one lllm use I have heard where it's just like, yeah, 1:08:55.920 --> 1:08:58.519 find if you're being overcharged in this, which is you 1:08:58.560 --> 1:08:59.719 know what the one oh. 1:08:59.600 --> 1:09:00.960 No, I mean overcharging. 1:09:01.439 --> 1:09:04.760 They're very good at like EPIC, which is the Electronic 1:09:04.840 --> 1:09:09.679 Health Health Record monopolist, which is a cult. Basically, they 1:09:10.840 --> 1:09:16.559 they've basically redesigned the chapbots in their EHR systems around 1:09:16.680 --> 1:09:19.920 upcoding so that they can rip off insurres. So if 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:21.640 you go in and you say I have an X 1:09:21.640 --> 1:09:23.240 and a Y and a Z, and they're like, well 1:09:23.560 --> 1:09:25.840 that infers I can infer that you have an A, N, 1:09:25.880 --> 1:09:29.519 A B in a c UH and also we can 1:09:29.560 --> 1:09:32.479 treat X as a we can treat X as this 1:09:32.560 --> 1:09:35.880 category of for reimbursement. In that category for reimbursement, I 1:09:35.920 --> 1:09:38.479 will prompt the clinician to enter a few more details 1:09:38.479 --> 1:09:41.080 that will allow us to This is why clinicians spend 1:09:41.120 --> 1:09:43.719 two hours doing data entry for every hour they spend 1:09:43.760 --> 1:09:44.760 doing clinical care. 1:09:45.320 --> 1:09:47.639 And that makes me think a product I might want 1:09:47.680 --> 1:09:49.840 because there's a lot of agentic AI here and I 1:09:50.240 --> 1:09:53.160 legitimately don't want an AI agent to handle stuff like 1:09:53.640 --> 1:09:57.439 booking flights or booking to my car to get repaired 1:09:57.520 --> 1:10:00.280 or whatever for me. But what could be useful is 1:10:00.320 --> 1:10:02.479 if somebody coded an AI agent that you could have 1:10:02.640 --> 1:10:05.799 call companies that you need to call on the phone 1:10:05.840 --> 1:10:07.800 and fight through their chatbot, and like, this is an 1:10:07.800 --> 1:10:10.519 optimized chatbot for fighting through other chatbots. We have that 1:10:10.680 --> 1:10:12.759 getting you. It's a product. 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:14.960 Yeah, Human dot Com they already hit they've had that 1:10:14.960 --> 1:10:15.439 for a while. 1:10:15.479 --> 1:10:16.240 It's it's funny. 1:10:16.280 --> 1:10:19.519 It's like even the good idea, it's kind of already done. Also, 1:10:19.720 --> 1:10:22.160 if you use wargreens, I think if you just type 1:10:22.200 --> 1:10:24.479 seven seven to one the moment you call, you immediately 1:10:24.479 --> 1:10:25.320 go to the pharmacist. 1:10:26.200 --> 1:10:27.040 Yep, just do that. 1:10:27.040 --> 1:10:29.040 That's a little tip for you all, just if you'd 1:10:29.080 --> 1:10:33.920 work with wargreens. Fuck chatbots, Yeah, it's I also just 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:36.880 think that it's irresponsible to have a chatbot talk about 1:10:37.080 --> 1:10:40.120 any healthcare thing, just because the nuance of what even 1:10:40.200 --> 1:10:43.479 I might my further radicalization of that is I think 1:10:43.520 --> 1:10:46.040 all the fitness stuff is unhealthy too, because you can 1:10:46.120 --> 1:10:49.000 fuck yourself up over training so easily. And while we 1:10:49.000 --> 1:10:51.680 were walking out Corey from the Venetian earlier today, there 1:10:51.680 --> 1:10:53.960 were a bunch of these AI training things and it's like, 1:10:54.200 --> 1:10:57.320 you'll fuck your shit and oh, we'll get your age 1:10:57.320 --> 1:10:59.240 and your weight and that will tell us everything. Not 1:10:59.479 --> 1:11:03.760 really h Oh, these fucking shows. Welleah I did. 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:06.840 I went to a comedy smart I who they have 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:10.400 an optical recognition program and it worked in that they 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:13.240 had it read my eyes and then when I walked 1:11:13.240 --> 1:11:15.320 in front of it in the future, it would identify 1:11:15.400 --> 1:11:17.320 me by the name I gave it, and the other 1:11:17.360 --> 1:11:19.960 people by the name they gave it. But the thing 1:11:19.960 --> 1:11:24.000 that it was meant for is number one. Like several 1:11:24.000 --> 1:11:26.240 products I saw at CES, if you were distracted, if 1:11:26.240 --> 1:11:28.240 you're looking at your phone, or if you fall asleep 1:11:28.240 --> 1:11:30.360 while driving, it will try to wake you up, or 1:11:30.400 --> 1:11:33.280 it will say, hey, look away from your phone. And 1:11:33.720 --> 1:11:37.240 I guess that could be useful. But the other side 1:11:37.240 --> 1:11:39.439 of it was most of the products that I saw 1:11:39.920 --> 1:11:43.200 were built into these huge smart dashboards that were like 1:11:43.400 --> 1:11:46.360 giant screens in the front of the car. And we 1:11:46.520 --> 1:11:49.600 know that when people are manipulating a big screen in 1:11:49.680 --> 1:11:52.559 a car, they are as bad as a drunk driver, 1:11:52.880 --> 1:11:56.280 right yeah, And so it's like, well, you you're offering 1:11:56.280 --> 1:11:59.080 a solution to the problem that was created by cramming 1:11:59.080 --> 1:12:01.800 a necessary crap cars. The other thing that they were 1:12:01.800 --> 1:12:03.680 showing is that we can we can see if you're 1:12:03.720 --> 1:12:06.519 drunk based on the way your eyes look which they 1:12:06.600 --> 1:12:09.400 said they got a lady drunk on a closed track 1:12:09.600 --> 1:12:12.920 and had it identify her. And I have no way 1:12:12.960 --> 1:12:16.559 of evaluating whether this works. But people when I posted 1:12:16.560 --> 1:12:18.559 a video of it, pointed out in the comments, I 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:22.320 have this issue right with my eyes. I wonder if 1:12:22.320 --> 1:12:24.600 it's going to just point at call me drunk, And 1:12:24.640 --> 1:12:26.360 I kind of wonder, are we going to also see 1:12:26.400 --> 1:12:29.880 that certain people? They did not groups of people of 1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:32.599 different ethnicities. They didn't test it widely enough, and so 1:12:32.640 --> 1:12:35.400 it just decides everyone of this ethnicity is drying. Microsoft 1:12:35.720 --> 1:12:41.559 American if you're a drunk American, right, yes I am. 1:12:42.320 --> 1:12:44.760 But also people drive on the different side of the 1:12:44.840 --> 1:12:47.920 roads so that eyes would possibly look in different directions. 1:12:48.160 --> 1:12:50.920 And I always think, and I mentioned it earlier, Microsoft 1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:54.960 Connect which could not see black people quite literally batter 1:12:54.960 --> 1:12:58.479 off ted anyone remember bat of great show, Literally we 1:12:58.560 --> 1:12:59.000 see you. 1:12:59.400 --> 1:13:01.160 And that was the And I don't know that smart 1:13:01.160 --> 1:13:02.719 Ie has this I have because I can't. 1:13:03.640 --> 1:13:05.360 I can't. Really I did show up. 1:13:05.400 --> 1:13:09.960 I had ripped a shipload of uh my my CBG joint, 1:13:10.000 --> 1:13:12.519 which is like, himp, what is CBG? It's one of 1:13:12.560 --> 1:13:15.240 the many different cannabinoids. They figured out how to extract 1:13:15.280 --> 1:13:18.920 and that's federally legal for that doblement. So I was 1:13:19.000 --> 1:13:20.519 high as hell and I'd taken a shipload of my 1:13:20.560 --> 1:13:23.639 Credom pills and it didn't notify that I was fucked up, 1:13:23.960 --> 1:13:24.960 but I wasn't drunk. 1:13:25.200 --> 1:13:29.000 So so you can drive on CBG and cradle. Yeah, 1:13:29.560 --> 1:13:31.040 you know I should not have been driving. 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:32.800 Yeah, driving high as fine, that's on this. 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:37.320 I mean, if you if you take a little k 1:13:38.080 --> 1:13:39.680 just get just get to the edge of the k 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:40.679 hole when. 1:13:43.200 --> 1:13:43.479 Best. 1:13:43.640 --> 1:13:46.479 Yeah, you can become the richest man in the world. 1:13:47.160 --> 1:13:49.040 It turns out you can use you can use nitrous 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:50.920 in multiple ways in your car. 1:13:51.120 --> 1:13:53.559 Look, some of us may have done car nitrous before, 1:13:53.600 --> 1:13:56.519 and if so, as long as you don't do a double, 1:13:56.560 --> 1:13:57.080 it's safe. 1:13:57.160 --> 1:13:59.760 Better or flying brow By Calmageddon like. 1:14:00.680 --> 1:14:03.519 Steve Jackson's Car Wars. Jesus Christ. 1:14:03.720 --> 1:14:06.360 That's a blast from the Pand oh my god, now 1:14:06.400 --> 1:14:07.559 they're doing a newcom again. 1:14:07.640 --> 1:14:08.639 Now it's gonna be nice. 1:14:08.880 --> 1:14:14.120 Yeah, it's I can't stop thinking of the eye thing now. 1:14:14.160 --> 1:14:16.680 It's really bothered me because that feels like this, How 1:14:16.720 --> 1:14:18.559 would you possibly ever get enough data? 1:14:19.800 --> 1:14:21.960 I don't. That's the thing is they had a video 1:14:22.160 --> 1:14:24.720 of it recognizing a drunk person, but nothing that they 1:14:24.720 --> 1:14:25.320 had at the show. 1:14:25.439 --> 1:14:28.320 I cannot test. You should just get every journalist rip 1:14:28.400 --> 1:14:30.800 ship and just to be like, yeah, this is there 1:14:30.880 --> 1:14:31.240 used to. 1:14:31.200 --> 1:14:34.320 Be bars at some of the Yeah, and that's what 1:14:34.360 --> 1:14:35.880 they should have had. They should have been like, take 1:14:35.960 --> 1:14:37.559 three shots and get in front of this thing. You 1:14:37.600 --> 1:14:39.120 see if it can tell response. 1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:41.519 No, they should have like a driving simulator and they 1:14:43.200 --> 1:14:45.320 should have like shots and you should be able to 1:14:45.360 --> 1:14:47.840 go up do some shots, getting driving simulator and see 1:14:47.840 --> 1:14:49.320 if it can tell if you're drunk driving. 1:14:49.360 --> 1:14:50.519 Again, this sounds great. 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:54.960 This is why CEES needs to be moved to Minneapolis, right. 1:14:55.040 --> 1:15:00.120 No, no, absolutely not in January? Are you insane? That 1:15:00.320 --> 1:15:05.360 mean drunk driving city in January it's gonna be ice everywhere. 1:15:05.840 --> 1:15:12.519 Well there's currently everywhere everywhere. Oh god, now. 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:15.080 They should they should move it somewhere more punishing, though. 1:15:15.120 --> 1:15:17.880 I agree it's Vegas is too nice. Let's send this 1:15:17.960 --> 1:15:23.080 the fucking like Merced, California. There we go, black Rock Desert. 1:15:23.160 --> 1:15:24.920 There we No, No, no, that's too nice. 1:15:26.760 --> 1:15:32.120 Ce s Dallas, Yeah, Dallas, Dallas, joke about that. Yeah, 1:15:32.120 --> 1:15:34.360 that would be to Orlando, Florida. 1:15:34.120 --> 1:15:36.600 The most the most. 1:15:36.400 --> 1:15:40.320 Painful place in the world, the most I'm I'm not 1:15:40.320 --> 1:15:42.360 not super spiritual, but that place is. 1:15:42.320 --> 1:15:44.479 Bathed in evil. And I live in Las Vegas. 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:47.080 Yeah, you live in Vegas. You can't see very little 1:15:47.160 --> 1:15:47.960 room to stand up. 1:15:48.080 --> 1:15:49.920 I have a lot of experience. I mean, if we're 1:15:49.920 --> 1:15:52.800 going to Florida London, how about clear Water right, the 1:15:54.960 --> 1:15:59.080 world's headquarters for flexidisc manufacturing scientology. 1:15:59.240 --> 1:16:01.240 Yeah, and I you know, to be honest, a lot 1:16:01.280 --> 1:16:05.120 of people don't like the culty aspects of flexi disc. 1:16:05.240 --> 1:16:08.800 But I think, you know, there's a lot of what 1:16:08.920 --> 1:16:10.400 is that I don't know you. 1:16:10.280 --> 1:16:15.400 Ever buy a magazine that had a floppy printed forty 1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:18.680 five rpm record that you tore out of the magazine 1:16:18.680 --> 1:16:19.920 and put on your turntable. 1:16:20.160 --> 1:16:21.759 No, that is a flexi disk? 1:16:22.360 --> 1:16:24.040 Well when when was this the thing? 1:16:24.560 --> 1:16:25.719 It was a thing from. 1:16:25.560 --> 1:16:29.000 Like the fifties through the early two thousands. 1:16:29.080 --> 1:16:32.840 Really, wow, Garrison, that's basically like a CD rom But 1:16:33.600 --> 1:16:37.080 oh I got it that I woke one of It's 1:16:37.120 --> 1:16:44.960 like a DVD for your ears. That might be what 1:16:45.120 --> 1:16:46.280 finally broke me on this. 1:16:46.800 --> 1:16:49.439 I mentioned on an earlier installment of this that one 1:16:49.439 --> 1:16:51.840 of my Christmas gifts was this Olivetti typewriter. But one 1:16:51.880 --> 1:16:54.360 of my other Christmas gifts was a Mad magazine from 1:16:54.439 --> 1:16:59.080 nineteen eighty one with a Flexi disc. It's the great, big, 1:16:59.120 --> 1:17:03.400 beautiful day fly desk that had they recorded eight different 1:17:03.520 --> 1:17:06.400 endings to the track and they had a in the 1:17:06.439 --> 1:17:09.479 groove that has a hard stop that caused the needle 1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:11.320 to pop up and it would land in one of 1:17:11.360 --> 1:17:12.360 eight random tracks. 1:17:12.479 --> 1:17:15.840 That's cool. That's actually the coolest shit. 1:17:16.360 --> 1:17:20.480 Also, that's cooler than anything I've seen it. Yes, technically 1:17:20.640 --> 1:17:23.479 based on the standards of ce S. That's AI enabled. 1:17:24.160 --> 1:17:30.360 That's a smart smart and actually quite literally more reliable 1:17:30.439 --> 1:17:31.479 than any LM. 1:17:32.080 --> 1:17:35.000 It's all on device, doesn't connect to the cloud. It's 1:17:35.000 --> 1:17:38.479 everything we've been looking for in products. 1:17:37.080 --> 1:17:41.479 And it's customizable and uh user centric. 1:17:41.600 --> 1:17:43.880 Yeah, wow, I love this. This is the only company 1:17:43.880 --> 1:17:45.919 I respect. I heard about this week. 1:17:45.920 --> 1:17:48.760 I Wills in terms of good products. We saw Gary 1:17:48.760 --> 1:17:50.080 and I we talked about this on our show. I 1:17:50.080 --> 1:17:52.120 talked about in the first episode with you. There are 1:17:52.160 --> 1:17:56.759 a lot of exoskeleton products out that are a mix 1:17:56.800 --> 1:17:58.639 of and often they're meant for both, but a mix 1:17:58.680 --> 1:18:01.160 of therapeutic for people who have different like disabilities where 1:18:01.160 --> 1:18:04.400 they might need the extra assistance offered, and also for 1:18:04.520 --> 1:18:07.400 like laborers, for people working, and I'm also like people 1:18:07.439 --> 1:18:10.320 doing working like factories. The shoe one, I didn't get 1:18:10.320 --> 1:18:12.479 to see shoe ones. There's some upper body ones, yeah, 1:18:12.520 --> 1:18:15.719 the hip ones, and some they're now being also marketed 1:18:15.720 --> 1:18:18.080 as like this is really useful for people who are hiking, 1:18:18.080 --> 1:18:19.519 who are carrying, who are out in the way. Were 1:18:19.560 --> 1:18:22.040 talking weights, and we got to test one. They they 1:18:22.280 --> 1:18:24.479 sent me. They gave me hyper Shell gave me one 1:18:24.479 --> 1:18:28.040 of their units that retailed for about two grand. They 1:18:28.200 --> 1:18:30.639 range from about two grand or about one one thousand 1:18:30.720 --> 1:18:33.439 dollars to a couple of thousand dollars, but the one 1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:34.760 we've got is about a two grand unit. 1:18:34.960 --> 1:18:35.880 Gary and I both wore it. 1:18:36.120 --> 1:18:37.800 I have some data on it, by which I mean 1:18:37.920 --> 1:18:40.679 I tracked how fast I was moving. I walked from 1:18:40.720 --> 1:18:44.360 the Venetian to the LBCC, and normally when I am 1:18:44.360 --> 1:18:46.479 just walking and on a particular hurry, it's about a 1:18:46.520 --> 1:18:48.519 nineteen twenty minute mile if I'm just kind of like 1:18:48.560 --> 1:18:50.920 walking and not going, which is more or less normal, 1:18:52.160 --> 1:18:54.680 and my heart rates usually between like ninety five and 1:18:54.680 --> 1:18:56.280 like one oh three or something like that. If I'm 1:18:56.280 --> 1:19:00.960 like walking, and when I had the the exoskeleton on, 1:19:01.280 --> 1:19:05.080 my pace was between fifteen thirty and like sixteen twenty as. 1:19:05.240 --> 1:19:07.840 Oh and my heart rate was never more than like 1:19:07.920 --> 1:19:11.320 one or two higher than normal amount of effort. 1:19:11.439 --> 1:19:13.439 Yeah yeah, same amount like again my heart rate. 1:19:13.520 --> 1:19:15.640 Yeah, like that's that's yeah, because you can feel it 1:19:15.680 --> 1:19:18.519 like lifting your legs. Basically it is kind of moving you. 1:19:19.760 --> 1:19:22.519 I didn't have any less foot pain, like by the 1:19:22.640 --> 1:19:24.479 end of the day, fourteen thousand steps or so, like 1:19:24.479 --> 1:19:26.920 my feet. You're sure because it doesn't do anything to 1:19:26.920 --> 1:19:29.360 your feet, But my knees didn't feel strained, and my 1:19:29.360 --> 1:19:31.880 lower back didn't feel strained. That's you know what. 1:19:31.960 --> 1:19:34.559 I found it pretty cool? Yeah, I like this. I 1:19:34.800 --> 1:19:38.519 like this in a quite cynical CS. Yeah, I actually 1:19:38.600 --> 1:19:42.120 really love the visa everywhere. These are actually future tech, 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:43.240 but fucking rocks. 1:19:43.280 --> 1:19:46.240 I actually I literally thanked the rep who had given 1:19:46.280 --> 1:19:48.120 them to me, not forgiving me to them, but just like, 1:19:48.160 --> 1:19:51.040 thank you guys for bringing a real thing to the show. Yes, 1:19:51.280 --> 1:19:53.760 like when you went through the entrance metal detective, it 1:19:53.760 --> 1:19:54.000 was fine. 1:19:54.040 --> 1:19:57.000 They didn't even notice it. Really, that's not good, no. 1:19:56.680 --> 1:19:58.840 No at all, Like carbon fiber or something. 1:19:58.760 --> 1:20:01.760 Yeah, yeah, oh wow, Hyper show should let me have one. 1:20:02.040 --> 1:20:04.800 I'm sure we can get you try and get used 1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:06.280 to too similar response. Yeah, I know. 1:20:06.360 --> 1:20:09.680 We talked about it yesterday on the show. I think 1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:11.960 it's really cool that, like, again I've been trashing this 1:20:12.040 --> 1:20:15.240 show with good fucking reason, but I like that they're 1:20:15.240 --> 1:20:17.240 doing this. I like that we finally see because that 1:20:17.400 --> 1:20:20.120 I've seen like kind of like shreds off across the 1:20:20.120 --> 1:20:23.639 ears and they're everywhere in a show that otherwise should 1:20:23.680 --> 1:20:28.120 be shut down. Uh, maybe not the entire thing there is. 1:20:28.280 --> 1:20:31.320 That's part. Part of what's frustrating is there are people 1:20:31.360 --> 1:20:34.240 doing innovative stuff. Like I've talked about the photonic muscles 1:20:34.320 --> 1:20:38.000 right where it is like a device that replicates the 1:20:38.000 --> 1:20:40.800 way physical muscles work. Yeah, that was interesting. Yeah, where 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:42.240 you like you shine a light and it causes to 1:20:42.280 --> 1:20:44.040 constrict and you can use it as like a motor 1:20:44.040 --> 1:20:46.000 and it takes up less space than a motor. But 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:47.800 they're not being like and this is going to be 1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:49.920 in everything. They were like, we see this as having 1:20:50.000 --> 1:20:53.000 applications and different like automotive things for small motors, and 1:20:53.040 --> 1:20:55.599 it can make things lighter. And I was like, you 1:20:55.680 --> 1:20:58.920 are You've made something that's cool, and you you're not 1:20:59.080 --> 1:21:01.880 promising this is going to be the future of everything. 1:21:01.920 --> 1:21:03.519 You're not trying to show me how this is a 1:21:03.520 --> 1:21:05.840 three billion dollar industry. You're trying to be like, and 1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:08.840 now your car will be a little lighter and this 1:21:09.000 --> 1:21:11.320 motor will break less often than the previous kinds of 1:21:11.320 --> 1:21:12.719 motors that we're used in this application. 1:21:12.760 --> 1:21:15.559 I'm like, that's the thing. Thank you, Garrett. 1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:18.680 You and Robert are different shapes to be, you know, 1:21:18.800 --> 1:21:23.640 to broadly, we wearing different axos. 1:21:24.360 --> 1:21:29.439 Yeah, we are slightly slightly different in size. Ye hurtful 1:21:29.640 --> 1:21:33.479 the same exim so it has the bad adjusted the 1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:36.360 carbon fiber slides on both sides so it can get 1:21:36.400 --> 1:21:38.640 wider for the hips. I did have it at the 1:21:38.800 --> 1:21:42.040 smallest option, but I'm the kind of in terms of 1:21:42.040 --> 1:21:45.160 my hips, I'm kind of the smallest adult size there is. 1:21:45.960 --> 1:21:46.759 Yes, I am. 1:21:46.560 --> 1:21:49.719 I am an examorphous And then the leg straps also 1:21:49.760 --> 1:21:52.160 have like some pretty some pretty strong eylon, so you 1:21:52.160 --> 1:21:54.880 can tighten in two cases for it to go above 1:21:54.920 --> 1:21:58.800 your knee. I definitely if I was considerably smaller, it 1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:01.400 may not have fit on as as well. But like 1:22:01.520 --> 1:22:03.360 it's it's it's it's difficult because like I have like 1:22:03.360 --> 1:22:05.840 a very like twinkish form like with some some people 1:22:05.840 --> 1:22:11.320 who are like smaller than me, which which should be 1:22:11.320 --> 1:22:11.800 which was. 1:22:11.760 --> 1:22:13.400 Going to be in really Scott's new alien film. 1:22:13.560 --> 1:22:16.720 Yeah, but no, Like if it's certain people who are 1:22:16.720 --> 1:22:18.240 like smaller than me in a lot of ways might 1:22:18.280 --> 1:22:20.639 have bigger hips, it would it would fit on them. 1:22:20.880 --> 1:22:21.200 Fine. 1:22:21.479 --> 1:22:23.840 If if someone's hips were considerably smaller than mine, then 1:22:23.840 --> 1:22:25.920 they might have a child, then they might have a 1:22:25.960 --> 1:22:31.080 problem and it but it it works, It worked for 1:22:31.120 --> 1:22:31.439 my side. 1:22:31.520 --> 1:22:33.960 Yeah, And there is there is an app which gives 1:22:33.960 --> 1:22:36.599 you more control over the device and the fit. You 1:22:36.640 --> 1:22:38.400 can control it all in the fitness but you can 1:22:38.479 --> 1:22:40.759 control it all with the button. But with the button 1:22:40.800 --> 1:22:42.640 you're kind of like there's four levels, and with the 1:22:42.680 --> 1:22:44.760 app you could be like I wanted it thirty one 1:22:44.920 --> 1:22:47.160 percent or whatever, so you have a little more adjustment. 1:22:47.280 --> 1:22:50.160 And what does what does the power on it? 1:22:50.240 --> 1:22:53.120 You can feel it lifting your legs as you walk, 1:22:53.200 --> 1:22:55.400 and it's like something lifting your body. 1:22:55.560 --> 1:22:57.519 Is it like just turning your e bike from three 1:22:57.560 --> 1:22:57.920 to four? 1:22:58.200 --> 1:22:58.800 Yeah kind of. 1:22:59.000 --> 1:23:02.080 Yeah, it's your physical but it also when you install it, 1:23:02.160 --> 1:23:03.760 you put in your weight and your height and it 1:23:03.800 --> 1:23:06.040 will tell you this is probably where you. 1:23:06.000 --> 1:23:06.760 Want to adjust it. 1:23:06.760 --> 1:23:09.760 There's like numbers when you like white, probably what will 1:23:09.760 --> 1:23:12.320 work best for your body. I like this. It's a 1:23:12.320 --> 1:23:12.960 good product. 1:23:13.120 --> 1:23:15.639 Yeah, I wish more things will like that. 1:23:15.880 --> 1:23:17.960 I you know, it's not two thousand dollars is not 1:23:18.000 --> 1:23:20.280 a casual purchase for most people. But it's not like 1:23:20.439 --> 1:23:23.639 insanely out of reach for a normal person. And it's 1:23:23.640 --> 1:23:26.160 a business for and it's certainly reasonable for a business. 1:23:26.160 --> 1:23:28.760 And I think they do worth what they're charging. They 1:23:28.840 --> 1:23:29.720 do have it, you need it. 1:23:29.880 --> 1:23:32.519 Their their last model from from last year is it's 1:23:32.520 --> 1:23:34.599 like a thousand dollars like this is this is, this 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:36.479 is this is this is their new. 1:23:36.360 --> 1:23:38.800 Pro version and this is a weird thing. I know 1:23:38.840 --> 1:23:41.160 that this is a weirdly optimistic thing. I can imagine 1:23:41.160 --> 1:23:42.599 them being cheaper until three years. 1:23:42.880 --> 1:23:44.599 I'm sure they will be And I. 1:23:44.520 --> 1:23:47.000 Think, I see this is like two thousand dollars not 1:23:47.120 --> 1:23:49.280 to be able to walk regularly when you conned. 1:23:49.479 --> 1:23:49.679 Yeah. 1:23:50.280 --> 1:23:50.519 Cool. 1:23:50.880 --> 1:23:52.600 Well, and the other thing that I'm working on and 1:23:52.640 --> 1:23:54.240 I'm trying to get one of the companies that makes 1:23:54.240 --> 1:23:56.240 a full body the upper body one too, because I 1:23:56.280 --> 1:23:58.880 have an environment and putting on my body armor, like 1:23:58.960 --> 1:24:02.479 my my, my my plate carrier and my helmet. And 1:24:02.560 --> 1:24:06.400 I think that there's an opportunity to create your own 1:24:06.640 --> 1:24:09.960 like Jerry rigged power armor out of this And like 1:24:10.080 --> 1:24:12.479 every American boy, all I've ever wanted to do is 1:24:12.520 --> 1:24:14.559 be a space marine. So I really do think I 1:24:14.560 --> 1:24:17.559 think there's a potential. So you could be Matt Diamond 1:24:17.560 --> 1:24:21.439 in Elysium. No, no, no, I love the Space Marine. Yeah, 1:24:21.479 --> 1:24:23.040 Warhammer style. Yeah. 1:24:23.080 --> 1:24:25.720 Do you know they have a fucking trademark they took 1:24:25.720 --> 1:24:26.559 out on Space Marine? 1:24:26.600 --> 1:24:27.600 They sure did. They shared it. 1:24:27.760 --> 1:24:32.719 I mean, I meanshop oh get they are there there. 1:24:33.160 --> 1:24:35.000 This is a whole separate cop But like their their 1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:39.240 attitude towards like intellectual property law has been crazy, Like 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:41.759 for the last thirty years, there hasn't been any movies 1:24:41.880 --> 1:24:44.880 or TV despite the massive demand for it, and they 1:24:44.880 --> 1:24:47.639 would sue anyone who created like fan ones. 1:24:48.120 --> 1:24:48.720 Uh. 1:24:48.760 --> 1:24:51.240 Like there was a German a full length fan movie 1:24:51.240 --> 1:24:53.719 that they had scrubbed from the Internet because the argument 1:24:53.800 --> 1:24:56.600 was that German intellectual property laws would mean that they 1:24:56.640 --> 1:24:58.960 would not have full control of their IP if they 1:24:58.960 --> 1:25:00.920 allowed this fan probab to exist. 1:25:00.720 --> 1:25:03.200 Which is I mean, this is the trademark argument. It's 1:25:03.200 --> 1:25:05.760 a story that trademark lawyers tell their children when they're 1:25:05.800 --> 1:25:08.200 worried about not having enough money to pay for college. 1:25:08.320 --> 1:25:09.160 It's nonsense. 1:25:09.520 --> 1:25:13.640 This trademark genericization generous bullshit. 1:25:13.760 --> 1:25:16.200 But Games Workshop is otherwise kind of a cool company, 1:25:16.240 --> 1:25:19.120 I thought. I mean, they they pay people well. 1:25:19.240 --> 1:25:20.479 I think they've got good lore. 1:25:20.680 --> 1:25:21.920 Yeah, and they got more. 1:25:22.040 --> 1:25:23.920 They've got good minis also there. 1:25:23.800 --> 1:25:24.799 A weird company. 1:25:24.920 --> 1:25:25.360 I did that. 1:25:25.600 --> 1:25:28.160 I enjoy the fact also that they don't even try 1:25:28.200 --> 1:25:30.320 and romanticize any of it. They're just like, no, they 1:25:30.400 --> 1:25:31.320 fucking anyone. 1:25:31.439 --> 1:25:33.880 They bring enormous pleasure to Riley Quinn, who is a 1:25:33.920 --> 1:25:35.160 force for good on that right. 1:25:35.479 --> 1:25:38.719 Coming up better offline, we're doing a thing with Trash Future. 1:25:38.720 --> 1:25:40.559 It's coming up in the that's me announcing it. That's 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:41.040 all you're getting. 1:25:41.160 --> 1:25:43.040 No, I love Hams. We'll be doing it, launching a 1:25:43.080 --> 1:25:47.160 Hams podcast has well, like the that's what the kids 1:25:47.200 --> 1:25:49.320 call it, what what Hams? 1:25:49.560 --> 1:25:52.600 Well, just like the Warhammer warham Hams Sorry for a 1:25:52.600 --> 1:25:54.200 certain British this is your culture. 1:25:54.560 --> 1:25:55.320 Yeah I did. 1:25:55.439 --> 1:25:58.520 I hung out like the one happy place in Hammersmith, 1:25:58.600 --> 1:26:01.439 London where it was the local game workshop thing. I 1:26:01.960 --> 1:26:03.759 found the space Marine game kind of shit. 1:26:03.680 --> 1:26:08.479 Though the new one. Yeah, it was just repetitive no orcs, no, no, no, 1:26:08.640 --> 1:26:10.400 they went they went with tear nits and chaos. 1:26:10.400 --> 1:26:14.240 Or actually I wanted like Yobo orcs like so I 1:26:14.280 --> 1:26:17.639 could feel at home, like being beset with men going. 1:26:18.760 --> 1:26:22.120 My favorite piece of warhammer lore is that Games Workshops orcs, 1:26:22.160 --> 1:26:25.040 which started out in Fantasy and then when they created 1:26:25.040 --> 1:26:29.320 forty k Mitigated that were initially largely created to be 1:26:29.400 --> 1:26:35.639 a parody of the Diggers, as in the Anarchists. Yeah, yes, God. 1:26:36.160 --> 1:26:39.360 One of their games was specifically based on the coal 1:26:39.400 --> 1:26:43.160 mine protests during the Thatcher era, with orcs that were 1:26:43.200 --> 1:26:45.600 standing in for the different sites, including an orc that 1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:49.640 was like basically Margaret Thatcher. Like, there was a like 1:26:50.439 --> 1:26:54.120 large parts of early warhammer lore were critiques of Thatcherism, 1:26:54.600 --> 1:26:56.759 because it was a bunch of punks in the eighties 1:26:56.920 --> 1:27:01.280 were angry about Margaret Thatcher. That's all been Jettison, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:27:01.320 --> 1:27:04.760 but there is in early games, like Games Workshop games, 1:27:04.760 --> 1:27:07.360 there's a lot of weird Margaret Thatcher references. 1:27:07.680 --> 1:27:11.120 Yeah, I mean an alternative uh huh Orkard Thatcher. I 1:27:11.560 --> 1:27:15.240 love the idea that like New York, Oh, my god, no, 1:27:15.360 --> 1:27:17.760 I I I really should have known that one. But no, 1:27:17.960 --> 1:27:20.080 the Diggers would have been just before my time. So yeah, 1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:22.760 ninet eighty six. I was born yep, so like just. 1:27:22.880 --> 1:27:25.479 Before that era. But I did grow up with two parents, which. 1:27:25.320 --> 1:27:28.599 Is like, yeah, Margaret Fletcher, fucking such fuck Margaret Thatcher. Well, 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:32.040 Neil Kinnock stands here. Well, we're gonna rotate to our 1:27:32.240 --> 1:27:36.280 final rotation, our final half an hour. Whatever is coming up, 1:27:36.360 --> 1:27:38.280 you must look at it, you must listen to it, 1:27:38.400 --> 1:27:42.679 you must click it forever. Otherwise this show will suitly inspire. 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:44.080 Please subscribe to the news letter. 1:27:44.120 --> 1:27:45.640 Two. We're going to an ad break and they'll be 1:27:45.720 --> 1:28:01.040 back for the final quarter. Ladies and gentlemen, Mister Mattiski, 1:28:20.280 --> 1:28:22.519 welcome back to Barre Offline for the final core of 1:28:22.600 --> 1:28:23.639 I'll See Us Experience. 1:28:23.680 --> 1:28:28.479 That was the wonderful, mister. I mean, that was fine, ed. 1:28:28.640 --> 1:28:32.040 But what if instead of a human being, a chat 1:28:32.120 --> 1:28:35.200 bot has played guitar for you. That's not just music 1:28:35.320 --> 1:28:38.439 and sound. They make my favorite holiday song, what is it? 1:28:38.720 --> 1:28:41.719 The Coca Cola Holidays Are Coming song, which has lyrics 1:28:41.720 --> 1:28:45.000 that really stick with me that include holidays are coming. Wow, 1:28:45.120 --> 1:28:48.920 Holidays are coming, Holidays are coming, Holidays are coming. 1:28:51.680 --> 1:28:55.920 Threat whether you like it or not, literally threatened me 1:28:56.000 --> 1:28:59.880 with a good time. Yeah. I love the Coca Cola 1:29:00.479 --> 1:29:03.719 where the truck changes size several times. 1:29:03.800 --> 1:29:06.320 I see. I'm glad you said that because we are 1:29:06.400 --> 1:29:08.479 going to make so much money by just cutting that 1:29:08.560 --> 1:29:11.320 audio out and having like put throwing that in as 1:29:11.320 --> 1:29:14.320 an ad of just Exitron saying I love the Coca Cola. 1:29:14.520 --> 1:29:17.040 I love That's like the Homo Simpson thing. I love 1:29:17.200 --> 1:29:21.080 Coca Cola. I love LLM. My voice is my passport. 1:29:21.240 --> 1:29:21.760 Verify me. 1:29:22.560 --> 1:29:25.759 You're real good at turning me. Uh yeah, this is CS. 1:29:26.000 --> 1:29:30.160 We're here for the final It's it's fine CS. This 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:33.320 year has been so strange and I mean this even 1:29:33.400 --> 1:29:36.360 the metaverse CS, which was kind of like weird. I 1:29:36.520 --> 1:29:39.720 missed the metaverse C. I missed the meta US in general. 1:29:39.560 --> 1:29:43.599 The good old days, Grey simple back then, NFTs, Oh 1:29:43.680 --> 1:29:45.240 my god that but the. 1:29:45.280 --> 1:29:47.320 Weird That was a weird CS because there was like 1:29:47.479 --> 1:29:50.160 not one in twenty twenty one. No there, and it wasn't. 1:29:50.160 --> 1:29:53.400 I did the virtual one. Twenty two was their first CS, 1:29:53.640 --> 1:29:56.760 and Gary and I, thanks to the metaverse, made a 1:29:56.840 --> 1:30:00.360 lifelong a lifelong friend. For the last four years. Every 1:30:00.439 --> 1:30:03.960 year we go to Moromotos and MGM, which is sorry, 1:30:03.960 --> 1:30:05.600 We'll go to more Motives and MGM which is a 1:30:05.640 --> 1:30:08.479 really good restaurant with our friend Andrew, who is the 1:30:08.560 --> 1:30:13.240 CEO of Alcat Games Nice which ischem Alchemy Labs is 1:30:13.439 --> 1:30:16.320 part of I think ol Wait sorry, yeah, you're out 1:30:17.000 --> 1:30:17.759 shit is it alchemy? 1:30:18.120 --> 1:30:18.839 It's alchemy? 1:30:18.920 --> 1:30:19.640 Okay? 1:30:19.840 --> 1:30:20.080 Sorry. 1:30:21.160 --> 1:30:25.080 Anyway, we go and we eat and we hang out 1:30:25.160 --> 1:30:26.599 because in twenty twenty two. 1:30:26.640 --> 1:30:28.000 We are in the metaverse. 1:30:28.080 --> 1:30:31.200 Yeah, there was a metaverse party on the side the 1:30:31.280 --> 1:30:35.800 Belagio where everyone showed up outside the Bolagio and then 1:30:36.000 --> 1:30:38.800 at a certain time there was like a QR code 1:30:38.880 --> 1:30:41.000 that you scanned and you went into a braw. It 1:30:41.080 --> 1:30:44.080 wasn't even an app, it was an in browser metaverse 1:30:44.600 --> 1:30:49.000 metaverse experience. It crashed immediately and no one fountain. 1:30:49.040 --> 1:30:51.479 It was supposed to sync up to the fountain, and 1:30:51.720 --> 1:30:53.760 nobody could get it to work, and the whole thing 1:30:53.880 --> 1:30:55.000 completely crashed. 1:30:55.080 --> 1:30:56.680 It was a massive dud, and there. 1:30:56.640 --> 1:30:59.160 Were guys who were worked for the company there who fled. 1:30:59.320 --> 1:31:01.600 They see they ran away. 1:31:01.400 --> 1:31:05.080 Because people, the friends you made along tally was it 1:31:05.240 --> 1:31:07.920 quite So we went to the beer Garden which was 1:31:07.960 --> 1:31:10.760 across the street. And then we met Andrew, who now 1:31:10.840 --> 1:31:12.840 we have Yeah, yeah, now we hang out and now 1:31:12.880 --> 1:31:13.760 we hang out every year. 1:31:13.920 --> 1:31:17.679 The metaverse brings people together. This was Mark Zuckerberg's beautiful 1:31:17.760 --> 1:31:21.320 vision all along. This This was my first CES miracle, 1:31:21.479 --> 1:31:22.400 like the first of many. 1:31:22.520 --> 1:31:25.360 But I love the idea of going outside the Belagio Fountain. 1:31:25.360 --> 1:31:28.120 It's like a very analog thing full of pistons. 1:31:28.160 --> 1:31:30.599 That works beautiful. You're just gonna say pissed, but yeah, 1:31:30.680 --> 1:31:33.240 probably pistons too. Yeah, I wonder. I don't think you 1:31:33.320 --> 1:31:33.960 can piss in that. 1:31:34.360 --> 1:31:39.280 Oh you can piss in anything. Oh I could, Yes, 1:31:39.640 --> 1:31:41.840 let me rephrase this. I don't think you could piss 1:31:41.840 --> 1:31:44.000 in it without getting arrested. No, No, you pee in 1:31:44.040 --> 1:31:45.200 a bottle and you just toss the bottle. 1:31:45.479 --> 1:31:46.479 You would get arrested for that. 1:31:46.560 --> 1:31:49.880 They would absolutely. One time, I was watching those fountains 1:31:49.920 --> 1:31:50.880 and watching them kill a bird. 1:31:51.000 --> 1:31:53.360 They've got one of those Amazon surveillance masks. 1:31:54.200 --> 1:31:56.720 We we had dinner outside of the Bolagio Fountain a 1:31:56.800 --> 1:31:59.800 few years ago and we talked about all. 1:31:59.720 --> 1:32:04.040 The words, who are flying just get yeah, just like 1:32:04.360 --> 1:32:07.720 just like because the fountains are fucking huge, yeah, like 1:32:07.840 --> 1:32:09.800 they look like you see him on the video the 1:32:09.920 --> 1:32:11.960 giant and they had just pistons and just a book, 1:32:12.080 --> 1:32:14.600 just a fucking endangered But that. 1:32:15.360 --> 1:32:18.200 I taught a special ed one of my because you know, 1:32:18.240 --> 1:32:19.640 there were a bunch of different kids, and like one 1:32:19.720 --> 1:32:21.960 of my kids who I worked with was this kid 1:32:22.000 --> 1:32:24.600 who was like seventeen years old, so who's got to graduate? Uh. 1:32:24.680 --> 1:32:26.880 He had at the time what they called Asperger sentrum. 1:32:26.880 --> 1:32:29.280 Obviously that's not a diagnostic term now, but that's how 1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:33.040 I was introduced to him. And he was obsessed with pumps, 1:32:33.080 --> 1:32:36.360 with like water pumps, fountains and stuff, and incredibly knowledgeable. 1:32:36.400 --> 1:32:38.639 He had self trot himself and had gotten so good 1:32:38.680 --> 1:32:41.200 that he had just mailed to whatever company built the 1:32:41.240 --> 1:32:43.920 Bolagio fountains and builds a lot of fountains. They're a 1:32:43.960 --> 1:32:47.640 fountain company. He had sent them schematics to designs that 1:32:47.720 --> 1:32:49.639 he had and they were good enough that they flew 1:32:49.680 --> 1:32:51.320 the VP of the company out to tell him, like, 1:32:51.840 --> 1:32:55.760 when you graduate, apply to work with us and they 1:32:55.800 --> 1:32:58.160 will hire you. I don't, I mean, I have not. 1:32:58.439 --> 1:33:01.000 This was eighteen years ago, I hope so well, he 1:33:01.160 --> 1:33:02.920 was not. He was in high school when I knew. 1:33:02.760 --> 1:33:05.640 Him well as an artist with all these specific likes 1:33:05.680 --> 1:33:07.280 and dislikes. I fucking love that. 1:33:07.479 --> 1:33:10.080 It's a beautiful story. He was a great kid. Yeah, 1:33:10.240 --> 1:33:12.080 but no, you're right, this is this is still a 1:33:12.120 --> 1:33:12.760 great kid. I don't know. 1:33:13.000 --> 1:33:15.759 This is the weirdest see us since the Meta versus Sety. 1:33:15.960 --> 1:33:17.920 It's so strange because. 1:33:19.200 --> 1:33:22.439 No, I they're they're they're both, they're both they have 1:33:22.479 --> 1:33:25.000 but they both have this hollowness to them because at 1:33:25.080 --> 1:33:29.120 least last year, AI was still like ascendant exactly, it 1:33:29.200 --> 1:33:32.600 was still going to you, and now it ascended, and 1:33:32.760 --> 1:33:35.400 now it's going it's going down, and you can you 1:33:35.479 --> 1:33:39.080 can tell because the only thing they can imagine as 1:33:39.200 --> 1:33:41.840 like a new thing is combining these models, which haven't 1:33:41.840 --> 1:33:44.960 really improved the last year, really really combining them with 1:33:45.160 --> 1:33:48.560 like kind of years old robotics ring. This is the 1:33:48.640 --> 1:33:51.439 only new thing they have, is combining two old technologies 1:33:51.479 --> 1:33:52.680 in a way that kind of makes it look new, 1:33:52.720 --> 1:33:53.439 but it really isn't. 1:33:54.360 --> 1:33:56.360 One kind of felt like lost. 1:33:56.680 --> 1:33:59.800 No, it's like absent and hollow in a way that 1:33:59.880 --> 1:34:03.800 I only felt before while inside the medaw verse, which 1:34:03.920 --> 1:34:07.000 is also absent in hollow, which it's it's you. 1:34:07.000 --> 1:34:09.280 Know, what it needs, though, it needs to be appreciated 1:34:09.360 --> 1:34:13.600 on a segway, because that was the truly transformative technology 1:34:13.720 --> 1:34:16.639 of two thousand and all of you were. 1:34:16.560 --> 1:34:18.960 Going to change the world with all this. Don't even 1:34:18.960 --> 1:34:21.360 remember the last time I walked around without using a segment? 1:34:21.439 --> 1:34:24.559 Do you remember life before the second I was born 1:34:24.600 --> 1:34:27.560 in two thousand and two. I only ever known a 1:34:27.680 --> 1:34:28.800 time without segus. 1:34:28.960 --> 1:34:31.000 Garrison's feet have never touched the ground. 1:34:31.200 --> 1:34:35.000 Yeah, it's just to segue. I've never been on a segue. 1:34:35.000 --> 1:34:37.920 I'm gonna be honest. Oh man, it's like being on 1:34:38.000 --> 1:34:43.560 a segue. It's like standing but different. I see the 1:34:43.680 --> 1:34:45.720 tools and I'm just like, I ready look like a 1:34:45.760 --> 1:34:47.400 bell end. I don't need to need to. 1:34:48.840 --> 1:34:52.240 Steve Wozniak used to play segue polo, which is apparently 1:34:52.320 --> 1:34:53.719 of the sport of kings. 1:34:54.320 --> 1:34:57.519 My man, I am a British Polish guy. Do you 1:34:57.640 --> 1:35:00.080 understand how difficult it is to fight away to be more. 1:35:00.120 --> 1:35:05.080 White than me? Jesus Christ segway polo polo? 1:35:05.160 --> 1:35:05.640 I did mean? 1:35:05.800 --> 1:35:08.640 I mean was is also Polish? I am also I 1:35:08.760 --> 1:35:11.000 am also Polish and also technically British. 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:17.600 So racquetball, sea pickleball, Jesus Christ kill me. 1:35:17.960 --> 1:35:23.680 I say technical, I what sea technical? That's on that 1:35:23.800 --> 1:35:25.720 some bit oh someone has. 1:35:25.880 --> 1:35:28.519 That's just when you're open carrying on a segways the 1:35:28.600 --> 1:35:30.040 only way I red that's just Texas man. 1:35:30.600 --> 1:35:33.320 My wife gave me a Tabasco holster for Christmas last year, 1:35:33.439 --> 1:35:36.080 and that is my open carry Nice. 1:35:36.760 --> 1:35:39.880 Yeah. I I met was once, and you know what, 1:35:40.120 --> 1:35:42.240 he's one of the few tech people I've met who 1:35:42.280 --> 1:35:46.120 I wasn't just like revolted by. I sat down and 1:35:46.240 --> 1:35:48.040 I talked to him, and we talked for half an 1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:50.160 hour and he was like, you know, you've got trye cab. 1:35:50.240 --> 1:35:51.960 But I'm like, all right, what's he talking about. No, 1:35:52.080 --> 1:35:55.200 it's a share where it's a sharewear run by a 1:35:55.280 --> 1:35:58.720 single German developer. It's completely secure, and it was you 1:35:58.760 --> 1:36:01.519 can just give this random develop a twenty five euro 1:36:02.120 --> 1:36:05.600 and I what else does the No, it's just a 1:36:05.680 --> 1:36:09.719 fucking working browser. Okay, it just works, which is unusual 1:36:09.800 --> 1:36:10.680 for browser, doesn't that? 1:36:10.960 --> 1:36:11.960 And I used it. 1:36:12.120 --> 1:36:13.960 I'm like, oh, I need to ask a question. I 1:36:14.040 --> 1:36:18.360 emailed the developer. Think immediate response like very sternly telling 1:36:18.400 --> 1:36:20.800 me that I wasn't using it correctly, But what the fuck? 1:36:20.840 --> 1:36:24.040 Is the Internet for and that browser is more useful 1:36:24.040 --> 1:36:28.040 than anything I've seen here. I do Garson, You've you've given. 1:36:28.160 --> 1:36:30.360 I've been trying to find the words for this. But yeah, 1:36:30.439 --> 1:36:34.080 it's like last year it was we're gonna do AI, folks, 1:36:34.360 --> 1:36:36.120 you're excited about all the AI. 1:36:35.960 --> 1:36:38.240 We're gonna do, but you know it's not there. But 1:36:38.320 --> 1:36:39.200 we're all excited. 1:36:39.600 --> 1:36:43.519 This year it's ah, fuck, you know, God, do you 1:36:43.760 --> 1:36:47.320 want to chat? But in your in the physical world. 1:36:47.240 --> 1:36:49.840 It's that potential is always more interesting than the real thing. 1:36:50.240 --> 1:36:53.640 This is why the right is only interested in potential babies, but. 1:36:53.720 --> 1:36:56.320 Not actually because they're full of fucking. 1:36:58.200 --> 1:37:01.760 Babies like want things and have agency, whereas babies that 1:37:01.880 --> 1:37:05.759 don't exist, imaginary babies in pizza parlor restaurants or women's 1:37:05.840 --> 1:37:09.240 uteruses are are are worthy and important. 1:37:09.439 --> 1:37:12.800 No, And it's the mix of AI is entering the 1:37:12.880 --> 1:37:15.639 physical world. This is going to be in everyone's house. 1:37:15.800 --> 1:37:19.439 Everyone is always going to be communicating with and listen 1:37:19.600 --> 1:37:23.000 to by one or more chatbots. That is the vision, 1:37:23.400 --> 1:37:25.439 and that is the vision that every time I talk 1:37:25.560 --> 1:37:27.519 to one of the people who works at these companies, 1:37:27.640 --> 1:37:31.080 especially the engineers and the c suite people. Every time 1:37:31.120 --> 1:37:33.240 I listen to them in a panel, the default assumption 1:37:33.439 --> 1:37:37.120 is you will never not be connected to some form 1:37:37.360 --> 1:37:40.479 of AI. You will always be listening. And everyone wants 1:37:40.920 --> 1:37:42.960 a chat pot that is always listening, that they can 1:37:43.120 --> 1:37:47.040 always talk to. And people do not want to use browsers. 1:37:47.080 --> 1:37:48.880 They do not want to use the Internet. They do 1:37:49.520 --> 1:37:52.920 they want to have the digital world be entirely and 1:37:53.000 --> 1:37:55.639 that was the There were a couple of different points 1:37:55.880 --> 1:37:58.639 in the different panels I went to where people would 1:37:58.680 --> 1:38:03.360 express their belief that the the Internet now we are 1:38:03.479 --> 1:38:07.680 making contents specifically to be scraped by bots. Websites are 1:38:07.840 --> 1:38:11.280 to be visited by bots because people the most bots. 1:38:11.600 --> 1:38:14.320 Yeah, the most important thing is getting your article to 1:38:14.439 --> 1:38:16.800 get summarized in an AI because no one's the actual 1:38:16.880 --> 1:38:19.759 article anymore. They're just reading the either the Google summary 1:38:19.880 --> 1:38:22.240 or the reading the chat GPT summary. And so trying 1:38:22.240 --> 1:38:26.360 to like like like engineer for for ai for for 1:38:26.640 --> 1:38:28.120 for for ai to grab and use. 1:38:28.080 --> 1:38:33.160 Your contentive four hours on Monday, just doing marketing panels 1:38:33.200 --> 1:38:35.360 about AI and advertising Jesus correct, And. 1:38:35.560 --> 1:38:37.679 What was the term that they used for this? Which 1:38:37.760 --> 1:38:41.080 one for for trying to trying to do like search 1:38:41.080 --> 1:38:41.960 engine optimizations. 1:38:43.520 --> 1:38:45.880 No, no, no, no, no. It was the term that 1:38:46.000 --> 1:38:50.080 they used was model hacking. Model hack because in the 1:38:50.280 --> 1:38:53.360 again four hours of listening to people who were like 1:38:53.560 --> 1:38:56.320 cour Suites, the CMO of into it right, people who 1:38:56.560 --> 1:39:00.320 in like one of Google's heads of marketing. The only 1:39:00.479 --> 1:39:03.439 specific and there was one in all of these panels 1:39:03.439 --> 1:39:06.800 specific of this is an AI augmented marketing plan that 1:39:06.920 --> 1:39:09.720 we executed. There was one specific example given in all 1:39:09.760 --> 1:39:12.080 of these and it was the people who make Allegra 1:39:12.720 --> 1:39:15.920 wanted to really push the non drowsy aspect of Allegra, 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:19.200 so they used model hacking to ensure that whenever AIS 1:39:19.240 --> 1:39:22.680 were asked what allergy medicine should I get, they were 1:39:22.760 --> 1:39:25.120 more likely to pull up Allegra and would always say 1:39:25.160 --> 1:39:28.360 that it's a non non drowsy Allegra is a nondra 1:39:28.479 --> 1:39:31.320 and also would would insinuate this is the other part 1:39:31.360 --> 1:39:35.040 of it. Via model hacking, they got the chatbots to 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:37.360 start insinuating that other allergy. 1:39:37.080 --> 1:39:40.120 Meds would make you drowsy. And that was like, that's 1:39:40.240 --> 1:39:41.240 the one example. 1:39:41.479 --> 1:39:43.639 Have we replaced SEO with model? 1:39:45.040 --> 1:39:45.280 That is? 1:39:45.360 --> 1:39:45.720 My take? 1:39:46.840 --> 1:39:47.640 Is this all me? 1:39:47.800 --> 1:39:53.160 Ow? Jesus fucking God fucked. There's another term. But now 1:39:53.520 --> 1:39:54.479 calling it me ow. 1:39:54.520 --> 1:39:58.280 And it's model engine optimization for the web right now? Nice? 1:39:58.560 --> 1:40:01.439 I mean, that's a very cless And that was when 1:40:01.479 --> 1:40:03.760 I got to what is the actual because everyone would 1:40:03.800 --> 1:40:07.360 say AI is supercharging the way that we do advertising 1:40:07.400 --> 1:40:10.080 and marketing. It's completely changed the game. That was the 1:40:10.200 --> 1:40:13.720 actual specific is that we are basically replacing SEO with 1:40:14.160 --> 1:40:17.000 model hacking, right with me? The thing is that's it, 1:40:17.160 --> 1:40:18.479 that's that's the idea they've got. 1:40:18.560 --> 1:40:21.080 And people do say about this loot, but it's like, oh, no, 1:40:21.240 --> 1:40:23.760 we're going to start changing articles to appeal to a 1:40:23.840 --> 1:40:24.880 shadowy algorithm. 1:40:24.960 --> 1:40:25.960 What could possibly happen? 1:40:26.080 --> 1:40:29.400 Oh, it's like we're in a regression. It's like, oh, 1:40:29.520 --> 1:40:33.200 what is the big new hot thing chatbots? What were 1:40:33.280 --> 1:40:36.080 knowledge management systems doing this crap ten years ago? 1:40:36.360 --> 1:40:36.559 More? 1:40:36.960 --> 1:40:40.560 They've got data, and I some of the data I 1:40:40.640 --> 1:40:44.799 can say is very inconsistent and not they're not representing 1:40:44.840 --> 1:40:48.479 it accurately. Some of the data. I don't know fully 1:40:48.560 --> 1:40:52.479 how viable those studies are, but the data does suggest that, 1:40:52.760 --> 1:40:56.080 especially gen Z, people are very commonly using chat GPT 1:40:56.160 --> 1:40:58.320 when they're trying to make purchases. Right, it's just new 1:40:58.479 --> 1:41:02.800 SEM right, And so at the moment, it does seem 1:41:02.840 --> 1:41:05.800 as if there is value for advertisers and you can 1:41:05.960 --> 1:41:09.000 in fact drive sales this way, right, But. 1:41:09.040 --> 1:41:12.559 That's my question, is it driving sales or clicks? Because 1:41:12.680 --> 1:41:15.400 as many years out, let's find those are not the same. 1:41:16.320 --> 1:41:18.479 They are convinced that it's driving sales. 1:41:18.560 --> 1:41:20.759 Do we all know Gresham's law? I don't. 1:41:21.000 --> 1:41:24.320 So bad currency drives out good So Gresham's law dates 1:41:24.360 --> 1:41:28.519 back to when Newton was the exchequer and there was 1:41:28.800 --> 1:41:32.800 enormous debasement of the currency, and so people would like 1:41:33.520 --> 1:41:38.559 shave down coins, they would sweat them, they would. 1:41:38.400 --> 1:41:42.679 Clip them, and that's where you literally clip a piece 1:41:42.720 --> 1:41:46.320 off the coin. Pieces of eight you were literally break 1:41:46.400 --> 1:41:48.639 could break into eight what is cool. 1:41:48.720 --> 1:41:51.880 So, so you have this debased currency in the in 1:41:52.000 --> 1:41:54.920 the stream of commerce, and if you are past a 1:41:55.040 --> 1:41:57.640 bad note, the thing that you want to do is 1:41:57.840 --> 1:41:59.479 or a bad coin rather is pass it on to 1:41:59.560 --> 1:42:02.639 someone else, because if you're holding onto it, then it's worthless. 1:42:03.200 --> 1:42:07.360 And so people preferentially spend bad money and they hoard 1:42:07.479 --> 1:42:10.960 good money, and so the bad money eventually takes over 1:42:11.040 --> 1:42:11.599 the economy. 1:42:11.680 --> 1:42:13.479 But what does this manifest in this one? 1:42:13.680 --> 1:42:16.360 So in this in this case, what you have is 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:17.559 the bad driving of the good. 1:42:17.720 --> 1:42:21.240 So if you are if you have a good product 1:42:21.320 --> 1:42:24.280 that you just list and you put on your website, 1:42:24.360 --> 1:42:26.880 or if you have factual information. I mean, one way 1:42:26.920 --> 1:42:29.400 that we express it more recently is the truth is 1:42:29.439 --> 1:42:32.120 paywalled and the lies are free, right right, the bad 1:42:32.320 --> 1:42:36.360 drives out the good over and over again. On Amazon's 1:42:38.160 --> 1:42:41.760 so called advertising network where they So you know, when 1:42:41.760 --> 1:42:45.120 I wrote the chapter in Incentification about Amazon advertising, which 1:42:45.160 --> 1:42:47.880 is where they auction off search results, that was a 1:42:48.080 --> 1:42:51.160 thirty two billion dollars a year business. It went to 1:42:51.240 --> 1:42:53.800 a fifty eight billion dollar business. It is on target 1:42:53.880 --> 1:42:56.160 to be over a seventy billion dollar business. It is 1:42:56.240 --> 1:43:00.160 worth three times the annual revenue of all newspapers in 1:43:00.240 --> 1:43:00.559 the world. 1:43:01.200 --> 1:43:02.360 And the. 1:43:04.160 --> 1:43:07.920 Winner of the auction for Amazon search results is the 1:43:08.040 --> 1:43:12.320 company that spends the most on search result placement, which 1:43:12.400 --> 1:43:14.719 means that they have less money to spend on either 1:43:16.320 --> 1:43:21.200 fair pricing or product quality or both. So the top 1:43:21.280 --> 1:43:23.400 results on Amazon are always going to be the worst products, 1:43:23.439 --> 1:43:25.920 either the most expensive or the worst quality, or both. 1:43:26.720 --> 1:43:29.479 And we are living through an era of Gresham's law. Right, 1:43:29.560 --> 1:43:32.680 the bad drives out the good over and over and 1:43:32.800 --> 1:43:33.559 over again. 1:43:33.680 --> 1:43:37.679 I think what's funny is you'll completely right. Does sound 1:43:37.760 --> 1:43:38.439 like a hell then that. 1:43:38.880 --> 1:43:41.600 But it's like no, but and I'm very smart for 1:43:41.720 --> 1:43:44.320 saying it. You'll not just right, you'll smum. 1:43:44.479 --> 1:43:47.959 But it's and that snazzy blazer makes you look powerful. 1:43:48.080 --> 1:43:51.160 And it's also have you considered having a Coca cola 1:43:51.240 --> 1:43:53.920 with vanilla? I think that you might really benefit from 1:43:53.960 --> 1:43:55.200 some Coca cola with vanilla? 1:43:55.280 --> 1:44:00.280 Right you sniffle it's non drowsy Kyle Colin I both 1:44:00.320 --> 1:44:03.920 there in the same moment. But it's also it's the 1:44:04.160 --> 1:44:06.680 ultimate point of that. With these llms, it's like we've 1:44:06.720 --> 1:44:09.240 reached the precipice where it's like we can control the 1:44:09.320 --> 1:44:12.560 search engine, the results, the everything, except they attached it 1:44:12.640 --> 1:44:14.640 to the one thing that you're not meant to do 1:44:14.760 --> 1:44:16.800 with a search engine, which is make it expensive. 1:44:17.080 --> 1:44:19.559 It's just a fucking well, I mean, but what they're 1:44:19.600 --> 1:44:21.960 going what they see as the utility here. Like I've 1:44:22.000 --> 1:44:24.519 talked a bit about Soundhounds Booth. The company makes AI 1:44:24.680 --> 1:44:27.679 agents that are largely meant to drive sales for other people. 1:44:28.160 --> 1:44:30.439 But one of the things I didn't bring up that 1:44:30.560 --> 1:44:33.679 the representative very excitedly told me is that they will 1:44:33.800 --> 1:44:37.240 be making. They are making deals with different manufacturers, with 1:44:37.320 --> 1:44:41.360 different companies with you know, hotels, with restaurants, and they 1:44:41.439 --> 1:44:44.120 are putting for their like in app car Assistant, they 1:44:44.200 --> 1:44:47.160 have their own map instead of Google Maps or instead 1:44:47.160 --> 1:44:51.120 of Apple Maps, and it will direct you to like 1:44:51.240 --> 1:44:52.720 you can. Basically, the way it will be said is 1:44:52.760 --> 1:44:54.360 it will only direct you to places they have a 1:44:54.439 --> 1:44:57.280 financial relationship with. Right. So if you want a restaurant, 1:44:57.320 --> 1:44:59.240 it will send It will put forward restaurants that have 1:44:59.400 --> 1:45:03.400 paid them and will suggest restaurants or a mechanic that 1:45:03.600 --> 1:45:06.200 has paid them. It will suggest when you go if 1:45:06.240 --> 1:45:08.439 you say, oh, what is this problem with my car, 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:10.960 and it'll tell you, oh, you need to replace this belt, 1:45:11.360 --> 1:45:15.639 I'll book you an appointment at the dealership. Right, would 1:45:15.680 --> 1:45:17.760 you like to do a test drive of a new car? 1:45:18.000 --> 1:45:21.720 And like So, there's no that that is the what 1:45:21.880 --> 1:45:24.400 they That is what they want. They want a world 1:45:24.400 --> 1:45:27.360 where every time anyone uses a map app, it's owned 1:45:27.400 --> 1:45:31.000 by somebody who is Basically, if you say I need 1:45:31.040 --> 1:45:32.719 to go to the nearest gas station, it is instead 1:45:32.760 --> 1:45:34.439 of marketing you just the gas station, we have a 1:45:34.520 --> 1:45:35.160 deal with the company. 1:45:35.160 --> 1:45:37.639 So I published a story where this was the plot. 1:45:37.720 --> 1:45:40.200 In two thousand and five, it was called Human Readable. 1:45:40.400 --> 1:45:44.560 It was publishing an anthology Byron Slowly called Future Washington's. 1:45:44.680 --> 1:45:49.200 It's been reprinted many times since. Like, cyberpunk is a 1:45:49.280 --> 1:45:52.040 warning and not a suggestion. Yeah, the tolment in Nexus 1:45:52.080 --> 1:45:56.160 for bringing you say that, But I mean the cyberpunk 1:45:56.200 --> 1:45:58.280 I was raised on but was shadow run. And I 1:45:58.360 --> 1:46:00.400 do feel like if I had a troll friend with 1:46:00.479 --> 1:46:03.400 a machine gun, a lot of my problems would go away. 1:46:03.640 --> 1:46:08.200 I also agree, but I will say none of this works. 1:46:08.360 --> 1:46:11.120 Like this is the thing I understand you completely separately 1:46:11.160 --> 1:46:13.080 from a troll with a machine gun. The troll of 1:46:13.080 --> 1:46:14.559 the machine gun would work flawlessly. 1:46:14.640 --> 1:46:16.880 I actually think it would solve many of the problems 1:46:16.880 --> 1:46:20.160 I have with this current absolutely, yeah, almost immediately. But 1:46:20.360 --> 1:46:23.120 the important thing to say is these are necessary fears 1:46:23.160 --> 1:46:26.920 and discussions that do not exist and cannot exist with 1:46:27.120 --> 1:46:28.000 l M technology. 1:46:28.040 --> 1:46:30.080 They don't work, they do not want, and there's there's 1:46:30.160 --> 1:46:32.800 so little thought about the seams right Like when I 1:46:32.880 --> 1:46:35.479 was talking to that guy about their map that sends 1:46:35.479 --> 1:46:36.760 you to places, I was like, well, what if I'm 1:46:36.800 --> 1:46:39.519 in like a country, because he talked about it'll work 1:46:39.560 --> 1:46:41.240 in other countries, Like what if I'm in a country 1:46:41.720 --> 1:46:44.840 that you have no deals with any of the businesses there, right, 1:46:45.040 --> 1:46:47.720 like because there's a lot of countries and that's like home. 1:46:48.080 --> 1:46:49.439 Or what if I'm in the middle I live out 1:46:49.479 --> 1:46:51.760 in the sticks. What if I'm in the middle of nowhere? Right? 1:46:52.080 --> 1:46:55.120 And he he was confused, and it took him a 1:46:55.120 --> 1:46:57.120 while to like figure out an answer because because he 1:46:57.200 --> 1:46:59.400 kept saying, like, well, again, like we partner with I 1:46:59.439 --> 1:47:01.240 was like, what if you're in partnered with anyone in 1:47:01.360 --> 1:47:04.120 this town because it's a small town. And his answer was, 1:47:04.560 --> 1:47:07.000 I'm sure it'll be able to like pull up companies 1:47:07.040 --> 1:47:09.760 that we don't haven't like set up an arrangement with. 1:47:09.840 --> 1:47:11.479 And I was like, out of your base. 1:47:12.960 --> 1:47:15.160 Clearly, no one And it became clear to me no 1:47:15.240 --> 1:47:18.640 one at SoundHound had ever thought about that. 1:47:18.760 --> 1:47:21.920 But that's because like, yes, like my mom's it's a 1:47:22.080 --> 1:47:23.920 map app like it. 1:47:23.960 --> 1:47:25.160 Feels like it should just do that. 1:47:25.320 --> 1:47:27.120 It's forging places. 1:47:26.960 --> 1:47:28.800 Like my mother is from, like a very small town 1:47:28.880 --> 1:47:31.800 in like rural Canada, in the middle of like Saskatchewan, 1:47:31.800 --> 1:47:34.640 where it's it's just like prairies and farm towns and 1:47:34.760 --> 1:47:38.040 there's not like there's not like big companies, so it's 1:47:38.040 --> 1:47:39.240 all like locally owned, like. 1:47:39.360 --> 1:47:41.519 Snow Saskatchewan is like Canadian Texas. 1:47:42.120 --> 1:47:44.559 Yeah, it's like, is it just not gonna be able 1:47:44.600 --> 1:47:47.320 to help me navigate anywhere from like driving to go 1:47:47.479 --> 1:47:49.479 see my family for Christmas, and I need to like 1:47:49.880 --> 1:47:50.840 find like a gas station. 1:47:51.320 --> 1:47:53.400 There's a crazy gas station that we have an arrangement 1:47:53.439 --> 1:47:56.000 with sixteen hundred miles away. Yeah, the gas is what 1:47:56.200 --> 1:47:57.080 it's worth. The tree. 1:47:57.280 --> 1:48:00.760 It's just this fly home, fly back to leave immediately. 1:48:00.960 --> 1:48:02.799 But that's the funny thing. This is like a classic 1:48:02.880 --> 1:48:06.280 CS theme as well. It's just like the Chloe Radcliffe. Yeah, 1:48:06.360 --> 1:48:09.479 but why or why does this matter? Or who cares? 1:48:10.000 --> 1:48:13.760 And they look at you like they are experiencing latency. 1:48:14.040 --> 1:48:17.160 I went to the way they do they it looks 1:48:17.320 --> 1:48:18.280 it looks like they're like loading. 1:48:19.880 --> 1:48:20.160 They're not. 1:48:20.280 --> 1:48:22.640 They're not expecting anyone to not want this. 1:48:23.000 --> 1:48:24.719 This is the fucking the tech press. 1:48:25.040 --> 1:48:27.160 Sorry, this is this is the funniest part about walking 1:48:27.240 --> 1:48:30.920 through with you, Corey. You ask like very basic like 1:48:31.040 --> 1:48:34.000 data privacy questions, and they'll just like look at you 1:48:34.120 --> 1:48:34.919 kind of confused. 1:48:35.880 --> 1:48:39.080 They are not ready for Corey, doctor swag. 1:48:39.880 --> 1:48:42.120 I mean my questions are pretty basic. It's like where's 1:48:42.120 --> 1:48:43.760 the data held? Where's that? 1:48:44.080 --> 1:48:44.120 Like? 1:48:44.240 --> 1:48:46.120 Can I change the battery? Computers? 1:48:46.320 --> 1:48:49.320 Very simple, like all of all of all, all of 1:48:49.400 --> 1:48:52.519 like the battery questions, and then they'll like eventually say no, 1:48:52.640 --> 1:48:54.400 you can't change the battery, and they'll look kind of 1:48:54.479 --> 1:48:58.080 disappointed in themselves and it's like, oh, well. 1:48:58.160 --> 1:49:00.679 I like we talked to this woman who who had 1:49:00.920 --> 1:49:05.320 a dog companion for old folks, which was a relatively 1:49:05.640 --> 1:49:07.400 It was fine, it was an innocent product. 1:49:07.479 --> 1:49:08.680 Yeah, but like Jenny, it. 1:49:08.720 --> 1:49:11.400 Was she sat there and was donned they even and 1:49:11.600 --> 1:49:13.320 was like, yeah, you know, I just think that if 1:49:13.360 --> 1:49:14.880 I see a doll on the ground, I pick it up. 1:49:14.920 --> 1:49:16.760 We need to just show we need to train people 1:49:16.880 --> 1:49:17.880 to respect these things. 1:49:18.000 --> 1:49:20.599 It was a little merry condo ish, like you should 1:49:20.640 --> 1:49:21.760 apologize to your sock. 1:49:21.920 --> 1:49:24.280 She was suggesting that, like, we need to start treating 1:49:24.320 --> 1:49:26.840 AI better, and I would like to start this year 1:49:26.920 --> 1:49:29.800 by saying we need to start treating AI worse. We 1:49:29.960 --> 1:49:31.840 need to You see a fucking AI thing wants me 1:49:31.920 --> 1:49:33.880 to anthropomorphise it. I'm gonna show h. 1:49:34.320 --> 1:49:37.080 The waimo is waiting to go straight and you're waiting 1:49:37.120 --> 1:49:39.120 to make a left turn. Fuck the way I am 1:49:39.960 --> 1:49:40.479 deferred to you. 1:49:40.720 --> 1:49:43.960 I am updating the Herman Garin quote to when I 1:49:44.120 --> 1:49:46.400 hear the word chatbot, I reach for my gun. 1:49:46.840 --> 1:49:49.519 Yeah, like that's that's that's where I know what I. 1:49:49.800 --> 1:49:52.840 Had had a funny event where we were walking along 1:49:53.439 --> 1:49:57.400 as the trade floor was shutting down, and we passed 1:49:57.439 --> 1:50:00.439 by this booth and I saw the on their on 1:50:00.560 --> 1:50:04.280 their very weird sign the phrase differential privacy, which is 1:50:04.320 --> 1:50:08.200 a subject I'm very interested in. It's an obstruse mathematical 1:50:08.240 --> 1:50:13.360 way of making uh, making data that might be non 1:50:13.479 --> 1:50:16.160 private more private. And so I stopped and said, tell 1:50:16.200 --> 1:50:18.080 me about your differential privacy. And then I was like, 1:50:18.200 --> 1:50:20.080 you know about differential privacy, And I'm like, I know 1:50:20.120 --> 1:50:22.960 a lot about differential privacy. And then he'd be proceeded 1:50:23.000 --> 1:50:26.360 to explain his product, which was the most incoherent nonsense 1:50:26.920 --> 1:50:32.120 I've ever heard. And they were doing so called federated learning, 1:50:32.200 --> 1:50:35.280 so there's no federal and eventually, like it, it transpired 1:50:35.320 --> 1:50:37.920 they want to take robot dogs and use it for 1:50:38.040 --> 1:50:40.679 facial recognition to find people who are brawling in public. 1:50:41.040 --> 1:50:44.000 This is just mad. This is just madly that's the 1:50:44.080 --> 1:50:46.800 definition of it. Differential privacy, though, it was. It was 1:50:47.800 --> 1:50:50.080 genuinely nuts. Just this a bit. 1:50:51.000 --> 1:50:52.880 What does differential privacy mean? 1:50:53.120 --> 1:50:57.560 So there's this problem with data sets that you've de identified. 1:50:57.600 --> 1:50:59.680 So say you've got like a record of everyone in 1:50:59.760 --> 1:51:04.680 a territory who's had interacted with the hospital system, and 1:51:05.000 --> 1:51:08.240 you replace their names with a number, and you give 1:51:08.280 --> 1:51:11.160 it to medical researchers, and you say, go find like correlates. 1:51:11.200 --> 1:51:14.960 Go find out what two factors correlate, Like people who 1:51:15.040 --> 1:51:17.519 get pneumonia are more likely to have had a fall 1:51:17.760 --> 1:51:21.360 or something. And the problem with that is that it's 1:51:21.479 --> 1:51:24.240 very easy to reidentify these de identified data sets. So 1:51:24.320 --> 1:51:26.840 Ben Goldacre, who has done the most important work on 1:51:26.920 --> 1:51:30.400 this in the United Kingdom, always points out that Tony 1:51:30.479 --> 1:51:34.040 Blair had two heart surgeries while he was in office. 1:51:34.160 --> 1:51:37.080 We know what dates he had those heart surgeries, we 1:51:37.200 --> 1:51:37.760 know how he. 1:51:37.880 --> 1:51:38.639 Was when he had them. 1:51:38.960 --> 1:51:40.880 So if you have a data set of a de 1:51:41.000 --> 1:51:43.880 identified data set of all of the NHS data, you 1:51:43.920 --> 1:51:45.920 can find Tony Blair. You just find the person who 1:51:46.000 --> 1:51:48.479 is this age who had these two heart procedures on 1:51:48.560 --> 1:51:50.840 these days, and that's Tony Blair, and you can follow 1:51:50.920 --> 1:51:53.160 them through history right up to this moment. Nice and 1:51:53.320 --> 1:51:56.920 differential privacy in ject's noise into these data sets, and 1:51:57.280 --> 1:52:00.240 there's a kind of very elegant set of mathematic that 1:52:00.320 --> 1:52:04.400 I do not understand that can allow you to quantify 1:52:04.960 --> 1:52:07.599 how hard it will be to re identify someone based 1:52:07.640 --> 1:52:10.559 on how much false information you've injected into the data set. 1:52:10.880 --> 1:52:13.640 The more false information you inject, the less useful that 1:52:13.760 --> 1:52:16.479 information is, but the more so it's. 1:52:16.400 --> 1:52:23.160 Like a balancing act between injective size. 1:52:21.280 --> 1:52:24.120 And so I'm I mean, it's the thing I'm interested in. 1:52:24.240 --> 1:52:27.800 As I was saying to Ed, oh, uh, you know this, 1:52:28.000 --> 1:52:30.080 there's a lot of wish casting here. People would really 1:52:30.360 --> 1:52:33.840 like the identification to work because then you could do 1:52:33.920 --> 1:52:35.960 a lot of things that would otherwise be really shitty 1:52:36.040 --> 1:52:38.479 and make people angry to just say, oh no, we're 1:52:38.520 --> 1:52:43.679 respecting your privacy. It probably doesn't like that. It's probably 1:52:43.760 --> 1:52:47.679 the case that in most applications the identification uh doesn't 1:52:47.680 --> 1:52:49.160 work even with differential privacy. 1:52:49.360 --> 1:52:51.719 But it's like when I see the words differential privacy, 1:52:52.200 --> 1:52:53.880 you know, like I. 1:52:53.960 --> 1:52:58.719 Just feel like a very specific thing to not be doing. 1:52:59.200 --> 1:53:00.840 And you're like, oh, yeah, what you actually. 1:53:01.680 --> 1:53:03.719 A robot could see a personally chase. 1:53:05.640 --> 1:53:07.400 Yeah, that's really where it was, it's like, how do 1:53:07.479 --> 1:53:09.560 we chase down people of color? Yeah? This is this 1:53:09.560 --> 1:53:10.920 is why I prefer the booths. 1:53:11.000 --> 1:53:13.599 That's that's in the same section, maybe a few booths 1:53:13.640 --> 1:53:16.000 over in central Hall, which is I think it's a 1:53:16.040 --> 1:53:20.000 South Korean company called dreamy Okay, oh yeah, with two weeks. 1:53:20.280 --> 1:53:23.880 But their motto is all dreams in one dream. 1:53:24.040 --> 1:53:26.720 Hell yeah, that's beautiful. 1:53:27.000 --> 1:53:29.120 This actually reminds me I've got some really good like 1:53:29.320 --> 1:53:33.920 names miss the Cool, doctor, Boss Astrositus, pet Goo Goo 1:53:34.560 --> 1:53:39.840 planned Emoji Yangaroo. Uh fucking just f k I was 1:53:39.960 --> 1:53:43.599 I was a legitimate fan of a company uh something 1:53:43.680 --> 1:53:49.200 and fucking fucking tapo. Uh. Let's see, I've got That's 1:53:49.479 --> 1:53:50.840 there's more. I think it. 1:53:51.160 --> 1:53:54.840 What's so representative over this? Like, I think it's so 1:53:55.160 --> 1:53:57.719 representative of this whole cees and the whole like current 1:53:57.800 --> 1:54:02.320 like AI smart moment is all dreams in one dream, 1:54:03.439 --> 1:54:04.599 dream all. 1:54:04.479 --> 1:54:08.120 Dreams in one You want to go to ring, But 1:54:08.200 --> 1:54:10.120 what if your wedding ring could tell you how to 1:54:10.200 --> 1:54:13.680 make thermite? Here's a good one. Also tell you if 1:54:13.680 --> 1:54:16.200 you're stressed or called, Yeah, you want someone to watch 1:54:16.240 --> 1:54:18.479 your kid, what if that person could tell your kid 1:54:18.520 --> 1:54:19.479 how to hang themselves. 1:54:19.640 --> 1:54:22.240 So here's a nice one that is foreign app but 1:54:22.320 --> 1:54:25.360 could be for Lockheed Martin make your inside outside. Oh 1:54:25.640 --> 1:54:28.920 hey good, Well that's a company called Wow. 1:54:30.400 --> 1:54:30.559 Good. 1:54:31.080 --> 1:54:34.360 I love I love the And they're usually foreign companies 1:54:34.520 --> 1:54:37.280 who did not think about some of the implications of 1:54:37.320 --> 1:54:40.560 their of their branding or their American name. There was 1:54:40.640 --> 1:54:42.080 one booth I saw, and I don't know what the 1:54:42.160 --> 1:54:44.200 company did, but I took a picture of it because 1:54:44.240 --> 1:54:47.120 it just said making it easier to edge with AI. 1:54:50.400 --> 1:54:52.200 And there was another and I talked to him. They 1:54:52.200 --> 1:54:53.360 had a legitimately good. 1:54:54.680 --> 1:54:56.480 Case enabled cave. 1:54:56.760 --> 1:54:59.080 I mean that exists here by the way, No, I 1:54:59.360 --> 1:55:01.840 I wrote down in the phrase sexlesschoon cave. 1:55:01.960 --> 1:55:05.440 Well, I'm not now we're gonna have a and they're gonna. 1:55:05.200 --> 1:55:09.240 Be but I feel likes is the sexless goon cave. 1:55:09.320 --> 1:55:11.840 It's just a bunch of activity. Oh, people are fucking 1:55:12.000 --> 1:55:16.680 the cees. The robot with the with the with the model. 1:55:16.840 --> 1:55:17.080 Yeah. 1:55:17.240 --> 1:55:19.200 No, there's a robot with a flesh light attack. 1:55:19.560 --> 1:55:20.120 That's nice. 1:55:20.160 --> 1:55:21.960 And so the chat bottle talk to you as you 1:55:22.040 --> 1:55:22.600 have sex. 1:55:22.440 --> 1:55:24.760 With One of the best bits I ever saw burning 1:55:24.840 --> 1:55:27.280 Man was this someone the bits you're gonna have to 1:55:27.320 --> 1:55:32.840 be someone hung a hanged a flesh light from a 1:55:32.960 --> 1:55:35.040 signpost that said public flesh light. 1:55:35.120 --> 1:55:41.760 Yeah, this dusty kind of clang and. 1:55:41.920 --> 1:55:46.480 Pendulous flashlight, just waving back and forth the wind in 1:55:46.520 --> 1:55:47.080 the dust storm. 1:55:47.160 --> 1:55:49.240 If I saw anyone walking up, I'd be like, Oh, 1:55:49.440 --> 1:55:51.600 you gonna go, You're gonna go. You want to get 1:55:51.600 --> 1:55:52.480 you want to wait. 1:55:52.400 --> 1:55:53.160 Just to see if they do. 1:55:53.360 --> 1:55:55.360 It would have been that would have been a better bit, 1:55:55.480 --> 1:55:58.240 would have been fucking the flesh the public flashlight. But 1:55:58.360 --> 1:56:00.920 the public flashlight, it's unto itself. 1:56:00.760 --> 1:56:03.000 Was a photo op of all photo ops. I just 1:56:03.120 --> 1:56:03.560 like the idea. 1:56:03.560 --> 1:56:05.120 If you see anyone walk up to it, you're like, 1:56:05.200 --> 1:56:06.760 oh can I do you want to go? 1:56:06.960 --> 1:56:08.480 Yeah? No, you first, I insist. 1:56:08.600 --> 1:56:08.880 I was. 1:56:09.040 --> 1:56:10.760 I was gonna send this episode to my grandma. 1:56:12.600 --> 1:56:15.520 I talked about you fired from your talking about fleshlight 1:56:15.760 --> 1:56:16.760 on a podcast job. 1:56:16.840 --> 1:56:18.640 I just want to be clear that the level the 1:56:18.720 --> 1:56:20.880 one of them where it's about my dad's horny level 1:56:21.120 --> 1:56:23.160 from last year. I mentioned it again and it was 1:56:23.240 --> 1:56:25.720 the episode my father listened to. That's good and he 1:56:25.840 --> 1:56:27.800 has not brought it up. He just said he liked 1:56:27.840 --> 1:56:32.120 the episode, So that's gonna Dad very rarely on podcasts. 1:56:32.160 --> 1:56:35.520 Do we talk about your your libido? No, privately a lot. 1:56:36.040 --> 1:56:39.680 I honestly text me almost daily about it. Just as 1:56:39.760 --> 1:56:43.320 nothing weird, nothing to date, Robert, just no feelings, just 1:56:43.400 --> 1:56:44.480 completely empty. 1:56:44.840 --> 1:56:49.920 No, that's my favorite bern Art project. Corey was at 1:56:50.320 --> 1:56:52.920 the Regional Texas burn flip side. Someone built a giant 1:56:52.960 --> 1:56:55.800 bug zapper that was like a big like like a 1:56:56.120 --> 1:56:58.880 like rectangular prism and they had a bunch of so 1:56:58.920 --> 1:57:00.600 it was all metal and it was all electric, and 1:57:00.720 --> 1:57:02.600 there were a bunch of like different little alcoves in 1:57:02.640 --> 1:57:05.520 it that had like whippets or joints or little bags 1:57:05.560 --> 1:57:08.080 of drugs. So in order to get drugs you had 1:57:08.120 --> 1:57:10.080 to like navigate your way in and get electric. 1:57:10.160 --> 1:57:13.920 Kid. That is actually that is kind of what it 1:57:13.960 --> 1:57:16.560 feels like to be a see yeah. Yeah, well like 1:57:16.680 --> 1:57:19.200 trying to get to like anything worthwhile, but it's just 1:57:19.320 --> 1:57:23.880 like exactly this LLM thing. Oh god, Well, as we 1:57:24.080 --> 1:57:26.920 wrap this up, I have to thank everyone in this room. 1:57:27.240 --> 1:57:30.320 Robert Garrison from It Could Happen Here Behind the Bastards, 1:57:30.360 --> 1:57:33.960 You've been incredible to support of everyone here. Caul Schernad 1:57:34.040 --> 1:57:37.520 from the Las Vegas Sun. I was about to say 1:57:37.520 --> 1:57:39.480 the new York Sun, which is the newspaper that collapsed 1:57:39.560 --> 1:57:41.120 when I was moving to this country. 1:57:41.360 --> 1:57:43.840 At one point claimed that they had found life on 1:57:43.920 --> 1:57:44.400 the moon. 1:57:45.000 --> 1:57:48.040 And that's why they got shut down. 1:57:48.640 --> 1:57:51.240 They got shut down for fired for truth. I think, no, 1:57:51.480 --> 1:57:52.640 that's that's a different guy. 1:57:53.120 --> 1:57:54.640 No, we've we've been doing so well. 1:57:54.680 --> 1:57:57.640 Of course, Edward and Guaiso Junior, thank you so much, sir, 1:57:57.920 --> 1:57:59.120 thank you for having me. 1:57:59.360 --> 1:58:00.320 I truly love you all. 1:58:00.360 --> 1:58:02.640 You've done an incredible job, and all of you listeners 1:58:02.680 --> 1:58:05.920 have done one to and thank you to Manasowski, the 1:58:06.000 --> 1:58:11.320 producer of the hour, the guitarist Philip Broughton are incredible bartender. 1:58:11.360 --> 1:58:13.880 He will be here for our epilogue tomorrow. Thank you 1:58:13.960 --> 1:58:17.600 to every single guest we've ever had. We're also dedicating 1:58:17.680 --> 1:58:19.800 these episodes to Sean Paul Adams, friend of the show, 1:58:19.880 --> 1:58:24.200 past Sadley. Last year, please donate to the Pediatric Epeleepsy 1:58:24.280 --> 1:58:26.400 Research Consortium and Corey Doctor. Of course, thank you for 1:58:26.520 --> 1:58:29.000 joining us with you they you've been awesome. Thank you 1:58:29.120 --> 1:58:33.120 for helping us terrorize people dunk. Yeah, it's been really great. 1:58:33.200 --> 1:58:35.120 We'll be back next year, and of course we'll be 1:58:35.240 --> 1:58:37.280 back next week. Got Steve Burke coming on talking about 1:58:37.320 --> 1:58:40.440 some CS stuff and games Nexus. This is an incredible 1:58:40.480 --> 1:58:42.160 show and we've changed the definition of what a tech 1:58:42.520 --> 1:58:45.400 podcast could be. Almost said cod past just gonna move 1:58:45.480 --> 1:58:47.240 right past that, wading the definition again. 1:58:47.320 --> 1:58:47.920 Yeah, there we go. 1:58:48.560 --> 1:58:50.840 Oh god, I love doing this show. Thank you all 1:58:50.960 --> 1:58:52.800 so much. You'll get an epilogue tomorrow will be a 1:58:52.800 --> 1:58:55.600 little more chill, but we are out. Thanks to the 1:58:55.680 --> 1:58:56.720 City of Las Vegas. 1:58:56.880 --> 1:58:58.880 Thank with you with this. We're not in the city 1:58:58.880 --> 1:58:59.440 of Last Vegas. 1:58:59.480 --> 1:59:03.000 We're at the Las Vegas for County, well Clark County, right, 1:59:03.000 --> 1:59:05.680 we've established the city of Las Vegas is a are 1:59:05.840 --> 1:59:07.360 you've never been to. On the other side of the 1:59:07.440 --> 1:59:08.760 airport full of houses. 1:59:08.880 --> 1:59:11.240 Well, this is not a city. This is unincorporated La 1:59:11.400 --> 1:59:11.880 County to. 1:59:12.000 --> 1:59:13.200 The Las Vegas Strip. 1:59:13.480 --> 1:59:16.800 There go, as I would say, less vomiting trash cans 1:59:16.840 --> 1:59:17.360 than last year. 1:59:17.400 --> 1:59:21.880 Yeah you know, and you were fewer, and yes I 1:59:21.960 --> 1:59:24.800 would I'm truly out of thanks to Gear, but thank 1:59:24.880 --> 1:59:26.600 you to the listeners. It will come with us for 1:59:26.720 --> 1:59:30.120 this twenty hour adventure. We will be back next week 1:59:30.160 --> 1:59:31.320 and we'll be back next. 1:59:31.200 --> 1:59:42.040 Year as well. Thank you. Thank you for listening to 1:59:42.120 --> 1:59:42.800 Better Offline. 1:59:43.080 --> 1:59:45.520 The editor and composer of the Better Offline theme song 1:59:45.600 --> 1:59:48.200 is Matosowski. 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