Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio E.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth.
Speaker 3: That's me.
Speaker 2: Oh man, look at you, I know, look at me.
Speaker 2: Got a question for you? Do you yeah? I do?
Speaker 2: You want to know what it is? Do you know
Speaker 2: what ridiculous?
Speaker 3: I do know it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: That's not my question. Now my question. Did you know
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous?
Speaker 3: I do know it's ridiculous, and I have I have
Speaker 3: a quick question for you. What's the best wedding you
Speaker 3: ever went to?
Speaker 2: Best wedding I ever went to? Okay, this is like
Speaker 2: a trick question, like other than your own, right, that's like,
Speaker 2: that's the thing wedding? Okay, I went to one in
Speaker 2: a church in Carmel that was really cool. It was
Speaker 2: the Mission Carmel Church and was cool.
Speaker 3: Okay, what was the reception?
Speaker 2: Like? I kin was young? I cut out. I was
Speaker 2: like I don't want to, I don't want it. It
Speaker 2: was like it was nice.
Speaker 3: It sounds like it was super nice.
Speaker 2: And that's why I was like, I'm out of here. Deuces?
Speaker 3: Did they have did they serve chicken tenders there?
Speaker 2: I do not believe they did, Elizabeth. I left before
Speaker 2: all of the dinner courses were served. But I do
Speaker 2: not think there's chicken.
Speaker 3: I think a good wedding should just be like a
Speaker 3: good party. Yes, I like that, like a wedding reception
Speaker 3: should it be?
Speaker 2: The weddings usually an indication of the marriage. And so
Speaker 2: this couple big show did not last.
Speaker 3: You're right, it is. It is an indication. And I
Speaker 3: think it's you got to do what's you You gotta
Speaker 3: be genuine and so you know, you got to throw
Speaker 3: a good party for reception. And July twenty first five
Speaker 3: special day. Okay, it's National Chicken Tender Day. And I'm
Speaker 3: going to guess there are a lot of couples out
Speaker 3: there who are like, honey.
Speaker 2: Are you being paid for this?
Speaker 3: Stop it? We got to get married on a special day,
Speaker 3: like what's some day with a lot of meaning for us?
Speaker 3: National Chicken Tender Day?
Speaker 2: Of course, Chicken tendys tends.
Speaker 3: And so you think about, okay, where should we get married?
Speaker 3: That's the other question. All right, we know the date
Speaker 3: Chicken Nash Chicken t first. How about big racle.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good to be hot?
Speaker 3: Vegas is yeah, exactly, July Vegas. So July twenty first, Vegas,
Speaker 3: and you're gonna like Okay, let's go to the iconic
Speaker 3: Viva Las Vegas Wedding Chapel.
Speaker 2: Why not. It sounds like there's some kind of Elvis angle.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: And then the big like it's really important, like who's
Speaker 3: your officiant?
Speaker 2: Oh right is maker?
Speaker 3: Break right?
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 3: You got a good efficiant that's solid.
Speaker 2: It's the captain of the of the wedding.
Speaker 3: Yes, what about this? There's this guy, Manny Mayo, mister Mayo,
Speaker 3: Manny Mayo. He's like the perfect one. You know why,
Speaker 3: because Manny Mayo is the Hellman's Mayonnaise mascot. I'm showing
Speaker 3: you this picture right.
Speaker 2: Now that looks scary.
Speaker 3: This is the whole thing basically. Okay, So Hellman's Mayonnaise
Speaker 3: Sin City Wedding giveaway, so you can enter to win
Speaker 3: to get married on National Chicken Tender Day because they're
Speaker 3: promoting their new Chicken Tender dipline. Oh god, we so
Speaker 3: many people sent this to us like this has just
Speaker 3: had like alarms going off and they picked up the
Speaker 3: Elizabeth batphone. Yeah. So you can get married in the
Speaker 3: Viva Las Vegas Wedding Chapel. It's officiated by Manny Mayo.
Speaker 3: The reception features a chicken tender tower and all these
Speaker 3: chicken tender dips, a professional photographer, and then a five
Speaker 3: thousand dollars stipend to cover travel costs. So that says
Speaker 3: entrance must be twenty one years or older and must
Speaker 3: be engaged or in a series relationship ready to tie
Speaker 3: it off. So you can't just grab a buddy and
Speaker 3: be like, listen this, we're doing this. You have until
Speaker 3: June twentieth to enter. So anyway, yeah, anyone out there
Speaker 3: who wants to get married by a jar mayo.
Speaker 2: That's the standing offer there.
Speaker 3: It is this summer boom done and who there?
Speaker 5: It is?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: Then you know what that's that is?
Speaker 2: Ps. Why you know they replaced the name for chicken
Speaker 2: tenders like in my lifetime because at one point they
Speaker 2: were often referred to as chicken fingers. Yeah, chicken fingers,
Speaker 2: which is one of the worst names for food you
Speaker 2: could ever think of, chicken fingers. It's one, chickens don't
Speaker 2: have fingers, and then two, why would you want to
Speaker 2: need a chicken You ever see fingers?
Speaker 3: Chicken feet? Like in the supermarket they call them chicken paws?
Speaker 2: Do they I've only ever seen them like in China Town.
Speaker 2: So they don't have it in English.
Speaker 3: You don't go to Walmart enough, my friend.
Speaker 5: No, I do not.
Speaker 2: They won't let me not after they lost time.
Speaker 3: I'm a connoisseur. I can tell you, like what's a
Speaker 3: good Walmart and what's like a.
Speaker 2: Subpart that's your time in the South.
Speaker 3: I did. I did my time, and now I'm an expert.
Speaker 3: Now you know American Canyon a really.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll keep that. Let me take a note American Canyon.
Speaker 3: Do you want to ever get married by a Mayo?
Speaker 3: Jar tried it in the Walmart parking lot? American came here.
Speaker 2: There's space plenty of parking. Frank Rbs, I got a
Speaker 2: fun one for you today. It's like a lazy Susan
Speaker 2: of crime. Yeah, you gave it a spin and to
Speaker 2: see what's on offer. When the spinning wheel stops. Celebrity
Speaker 2: beefs that lead to catching hands. Oh yeah, well it's
Speaker 2: not what you think because it's like sliced alone and
Speaker 2: Princess Die. They fought Steven Seagal versus pants, rotier gear,
Speaker 2: rootier gear, catching an elbow to the face and everyone's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I get it. Shaia wants to fight Tom hardy. Oh,
Speaker 2: that's like the old. Lastly, there's that one famous beef
Speaker 2: that led to the greatest art of the twenty first century. Ready,
Speaker 2: I am daddy, Let's go. This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm at absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's
Speaker 2: always ninety nine percent murder free and it's one hundred
Speaker 2: percent ridiculous. Jeez oh, Elizabeth, where is the beef? The
Speaker 2: celebrity beef? I've got it here. Why are they so
Speaker 2: fun and always so ridiculous? Do you have any favorite
Speaker 2: celebrity beefs? Ever? Like you know, I'll give you a
Speaker 2: moment to think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need a lot of moments.
Speaker 2: Eddie van Halen versus Fred Durst of Limp Biscuit.
Speaker 3: That's a good one. Didn't that involve like a tank?
Speaker 2: He drove. Eddie van Halen drove a tank across Los
Speaker 2: Angeles to get his guitar back that he had loaned
Speaker 2: Fred Durst. That's the level of celebrity beef that I
Speaker 2: want in my life.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't really. You know, fifty beefs with
Speaker 3: a lot of people, and he's very petty, he's very
Speaker 3: good at it and he's usually pretty truthful.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's usually right.
Speaker 3: He's like dicey and real in his own life. Yes, sure,
Speaker 3: aren't we all aren't we? We're all problematic in one
Speaker 3: way or another.
Speaker 2: Vitamin water, money, just f around and find out.
Speaker 3: But I like how he'll just start, He'll just start something. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean, then you know my favorite beef.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite beef?
Speaker 3: Kendrick lamar Oh and Aubrey and Aubrey. That that's what
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to go right to though.
Speaker 3: Do you when those when they were dropping the songs,
Speaker 3: like how exciting that was?
Speaker 2: You would text me like within minutes it.
Speaker 3: Would come out and you'd have to like listen and listen,
Speaker 3: and you're just like I would. My jaw would drop.
Speaker 2: The poetry levels are incredible, like the layers upon layers.
Speaker 2: And then the man deserves his pulitz.
Speaker 3: He's a genius.
Speaker 2: So today I've got tales of celebrity beefs that obviously
Speaker 2: border on the criminal, because that's what we do. We
Speaker 2: got fistfights, elbows, the face, heated battles.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: My favorite, though, is Steven Sagall versus Pants. So let's
Speaker 2: start with dessert. Elizabeth, do you know that Stephen Sagall
Speaker 2: was once humbled and the most fantastic way possible.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: Before I tell you that story, we need to cover
Speaker 2: a little backstory. We've discussed Steven Sagall before. How could
Speaker 2: we not? The man is a walking poem of ridiculousness.
Speaker 2: I told you that one time, how he was involved
Speaker 2: in a sheriff's raid down Americopa County, Arizona, where he
Speaker 2: and a tank tag team to house and that turned
Speaker 2: into a whole debacle. Well, I got at least two
Speaker 2: other Stephen Sagall debacles for you today. Now, Steven Sagall
Speaker 2: himself needs really no backstory. I don't think he is
Speaker 2: Steven Sagal, But this story requires just a little history. Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: I want you to now meet our fighters. Okay, First
Speaker 2: we have John Leguizamo. He's fun, right him now. Anyway,
Speaker 2: when he was first starting out, he was in a
Speaker 2: movie called Executive Decision. You're familiar with this film?
Speaker 3: Vague It sounds vaguely familiar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a vague film and it came out in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six. As you can probably tell by the title,
Speaker 2: it was a largely forgettable nineties action thriller. In fact,
Speaker 2: it was a product of super producer Joel Silver, the
Speaker 2: guy who did Like the Batman. Now the cast is
Speaker 2: some of our favorites. There's Law and Orders bead.
Speaker 3: Wong I Love I Know.
Speaker 2: Stabas Sergeant Louis Young US Army Special Forces. And there's
Speaker 2: Joe Morton ak Eli Pope from Scandal. He plays First
Speaker 2: Sergeant Campbell Cappie Matheny this Army Special Forces. There's also
Speaker 2: Halle Berry as Jean the flight attendant, Poor Hallie. And
Speaker 2: the big star was Kurt Russell as doctor David Grant,
Speaker 2: assultant for US Army Intelligence. Then there's the other big star,
Speaker 2: Steven Sagall as Lieutenant Colonel Austin Travis.
Speaker 3: He's all Texas, Texas.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you caught that. Now you can tell by
Speaker 2: his name. He's a cowboy who's a loose cannon bit
Speaker 2: of a maverick. It's all there now, I th're under
Speaker 2: this a mix of a young actor named John Leguizamo
Speaker 2: as Captain Carlos ak Rat Lopez, Oh boy tough right,
Speaker 2: also the nineties right, also from the US Army Special Forces.
Speaker 2: Now the plot doesn't matter, it really does not, But
Speaker 2: there's nerve gas on a plane that terrors planned to
Speaker 2: detonate over Washington, d C. When that happened, right, and
Speaker 2: there's only one man who can save the world, Steven Segal,
Speaker 2: Elizabeth in the name of journalism. I didn't watch the movie,
Speaker 2: but I did watch the trailer, and it featured great lines,
Speaker 2: like in an age when terrorism knows no boundaries and
Speaker 2: the level of threat knows no limit.
Speaker 3: Wait, this is ninety six. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cut to Kurt Russell saying to the President, Sir, I
Speaker 2: don't think this is about hostages, Elizabeth. It was not
Speaker 2: about hostages. No, it was about nerve gas. It was
Speaker 2: a passenger plane carrying a load of hijack nerve gas.
Speaker 2: It's basically a flying mass destruction device before nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but luckily this is triggering.
Speaker 2: Back to the narrative when global response is routine and
Speaker 2: advanced technology can accomplish miracles, a life or death decision
Speaker 2: for hundreds of hostages in a plane or forty million
Speaker 2: civilians on the ground will come down to a choice
Speaker 2: between doing the unthinkable and the impossible. Elizabeth, will give
Speaker 2: you a week. Makes no sense. When I was writing
Speaker 2: it out, I'm like, am I missing.
Speaker 3: A line, and I have to go back and in
Speaker 3: the beginning is weird Silicon Valley ass like tech solutions.
Speaker 2: When you go back and you actually read the phrases
Speaker 2: that they're together.
Speaker 3: It's the choice. You're making a choice between.
Speaker 2: The unthinkable and the impossible, and one of those is
Speaker 2: Steven sig I don't.
Speaker 3: Even know that. I don't know where they're going with this.
Speaker 2: Warner Brothers invites you these days David's astlof runs Warner
Speaker 2: Brothers into the ground.
Speaker 3: In the nineties, get paid.
Speaker 2: Things weren't much better, apparently, because apparently Warner Brothers in
Speaker 2: doing the research on this, I was reading about it
Speaker 2: and I found this one juicy fact. Warner Brothers traded
Speaker 2: the script for Forrest Gump for the script for Executive
Speaker 2: Decision because Steven Sagal wanted to star in it.
Speaker 3: Wait stop it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they thought Forrest Gump was like, you know, that's
Speaker 2: a long shot where his executive decision, that's fire him.
Speaker 3: What if they needed to fill a film for Sagall's
Speaker 3: contract and.
Speaker 2: He was Forrest Gum, that would be incredible. Steven is
Speaker 2: Forrest Gus kicking aster history all slow.
Speaker 3: With like the like Schill Act exactly.
Speaker 2: Pulled back all type. So steven Sagall movies, they came
Speaker 2: out just prior to this one, the ones that came
Speaker 2: out prior he was on a run, and then he
Speaker 2: had one that did not do well and then another.
Speaker 2: So now he's got a two bad movie slide and
Speaker 2: this movie you got to come out and it's in production.
Speaker 2: So Wonderful is like, oh no. The be Ingcounters decide, well,
Speaker 2: you need to juice up executive decision, so they bring
Speaker 2: in Kurt Russell as a top draw and a major
Speaker 2: co star because he can't carry a movie by himself.
Speaker 2: He's insulted by that. Stevensall is like, why would you
Speaker 2: do that? So apparently his ego bristled. I mean, it
Speaker 2: hit him like a Judo chop. So what does he do?
Speaker 2: Being steven Sagall, he takes that on everyone around him.
Speaker 3: Ka Kiyak exactly, the.
Speaker 2: Cast, the crew, pretty much anyone on the set of
Speaker 2: that movie. And I remind you the cast list, Hallie Barry,
Speaker 2: Kurt Russell, bea d Wong, Joe Morton, Oliver Platt who
Speaker 2: I didn't mention before, John Leguizambo. True right, they all
Speaker 2: had to suffer through like five weeks of Steve.
Speaker 3: Wall right on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at his pissy pants worse unacceptable.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the other well, I'll give you an example. This
Speaker 2: is from John Leguizambo at the official cast rehearsals like
Speaker 2: they haven't started shooting yet. The directors there, B D Wong,
Speaker 2: is there, Joe Morton, Oliver Platt, th all there right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: in walked steven Sagal and he says to everyone in
Speaker 2: the room, I'm in command. What I saying is law.
Speaker 3: That's just open command.
Speaker 2: Aside from that, that's his opening line.
Speaker 3: I'm in command.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in command.
Speaker 3: What I say is That's how he introduces him.
Speaker 2: He establishes the tone and temper for the film with that,
Speaker 2: no further delay. Let's get ready.
Speaker 4: This part of me at the Tony Award winning Broadway
Speaker 4: actor start more than one films, the man who can
Speaker 4: play anything, mister Jo. And in this corner we have
Speaker 4: a therapeutic oil salesman, actor, writer, musician, volunteer, Shriff's deputy
Speaker 4: and martial arts master star of more than fifty films,
Speaker 4: The man who made mumble acting a thing, Mister Stevens
Speaker 4: a gold wait.
Speaker 3: Is he like a Russian citizen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're like, yeah, defected and put and give
Speaker 2: him citizenship. And he goes over there. He gives like
Speaker 2: martial arts to get.
Speaker 3: Its slow suspicions where he he kind.
Speaker 2: Of like stumble washing arounds.
Speaker 3: Around the people run into him and thrown down, and
Speaker 3: then he wears. He wears like very what's his name,
Speaker 3: Andre Leon tally Tan they have tans. Yeah, he's very
Speaker 3: like eastern end of Russia is in his.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, completely very loose. He's he's all about
Speaker 2: the flow, Elizabeth. Yeah. Now as our fighters step inside
Speaker 2: the ring, the two fighters will size each other up.
Speaker 2: Steven sagall is not known for his panther leg quickness,
Speaker 2: so expect a lumbering presence from him today. Now, John Leguizamo,
Speaker 2: he can move like a spider monkey on a coke binch.
Speaker 2: He's got the speed, he's got. The agility question is
Speaker 2: is can he get inside? Steven Sagah has got the
Speaker 2: height and the reach. Let's see what the opening move is. Okay,
Speaker 2: Steven Seagal is lumbering around, as we said, that's to
Speaker 2: be expected. John Leguizamo is sizing him up, and he
Speaker 2: looks ready to Yes, here comes a first strike, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: it's a yes. John Leguizamo is laughing in his face
Speaker 2: in a mocking tone. He's scoffing at the self, serious Sagal.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be a wounding blow. Oh, the big man
Speaker 2: does not like that. Look at his face. You have no.
Speaker 2: Here's Segall's response. His hand shoots forward. Oh he makes contact.
Speaker 2: Oh that looks painful. John Leguizamo's just shoved across the
Speaker 2: film set with some kind of kung fu chop. Legazambo
Speaker 2: is not gonna be getting up anytime soon. Oh, kids,
Speaker 2: let's even get a word from the actor. Mister, mister
Speaker 2: leg Guzambo, how are you feeling? Can you tell us
Speaker 2: what happened at this point? Elizabeth? The actor looks up.
Speaker 3: From their Bike's all right? When he walks in and
Speaker 3: introduces him.
Speaker 2: No, no, this is I'm just describing. If this is the
Speaker 2: imagined moment, I'm just describing for you, that's their entire fight.
Speaker 2: He laughed in his face, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Steven Sagall decides I'm gonna go full martial artists on
Speaker 2: you and throws them across the room. Here's how mister
Speaker 2: leg Ozamo. Can we tell us anything about what happened.
Speaker 2: The actor looks up and says, so I started laughing,
Speaker 2: and he slammed me with like an aketo elbow against
Speaker 2: a brick wall, knocked all the air out of me.
Speaker 2: I dropped to the ground. All I could say was
Speaker 2: why why there? You're having elizabeth An artists recreation of
Speaker 2: the fight between Steve Sagal and jogging leg Gizambo. But
Speaker 2: I don't want you to think that Sigal got the
Speaker 2: last laugh in that. According to Legizambo, quote, on the
Speaker 2: days when we shot the scene when he died, I
Speaker 2: showed up so early. I wanted to see him die.
Speaker 2: It was like a fantasy. So he did and he
Speaker 2: got to enjoy that. Catharsis now recently very.
Speaker 3: Alert by the way that he dies in the movie.
Speaker 2: He said in an interview that he based his character
Speaker 2: in the movie The Menu on Steven Sagal. Miss John
Speaker 2: leg was over and I guess the character is this
Speaker 2: terrible person because leg was. Amo added that Sagal was
Speaker 2: the perfect fit as the model for the character because quote,
Speaker 2: he's kind of a horrible human.
Speaker 3: So this goes around assaulting people exactly.
Speaker 2: It's similar to George Clooney and David Russell were like
Speaker 2: decades later, he's still using him as like the high
Speaker 2: or low water mark in this case. Now, remember I
Speaker 2: said Steven Sagall versus his pants at the top. Yes,
Speaker 2: he says, Well, there's this guy named Jean LaBelle. Okay,
Speaker 2: he was a badass. He was. He was a real
Speaker 2: judo master, and he was also a legit buddy of
Speaker 2: Bruce Lee. He was a stunt coordinator, worked with Bruce
Speaker 2: Lee when Bruce Lee was in Hollywood back like on
Speaker 2: the Green Hornet. Now he's this legit martial arts instructor,
Speaker 2: total stunt coordinator. The studios love him, total pro works
Speaker 2: in Hollywood forever. Right this point, it's nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 2: Steven Sagall is coming up. He's at this point make
Speaker 2: his name. LaBelle was working as a stunt coordinator on
Speaker 2: Sigal's like big first hit out for Justice. Okay, yeah, which,
Speaker 2: if you don't know, is this nineties action film right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, so you can probably tell from the meaningless title
Speaker 2: it's an action film. So at the time, LaBelle fifty
Speaker 2: eight years old. He doesn't like bullies, he doesn't like braggarts,
Speaker 2: blowhards and bs artists.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Coincidentally, Steven Sagal is all of those. So Steven Sagal
Speaker 2: had this standing boast at the time apparently that he
Speaker 2: was I'm immune to choke holds, like he would.
Speaker 3: Tell out there, because someone's gonna come.
Speaker 2: And correct the record completely. He would tell, well, you know,
Speaker 2: like all martial artists like train a lot, he trained,
Speaker 2: he claimed enough that he could, I am immune to
Speaker 2: being choked out.
Speaker 3: He you know what, I'd be like, let me give
Speaker 3: it a shot.
Speaker 2: That's what Gean LeBell was thinking.
Speaker 3: So and then I come up behind with a garrot.
Speaker 2: He didn't go as far as you now. Monday, on
Speaker 2: the film set, Steven Sagal was like bad mouthing a
Speaker 2: stunt man for like apparently I guess he did practicing
Speaker 2: a choke holt or something and he wasn't doing it
Speaker 2: very well. And Sigal is mistreating the guys. So this
Speaker 2: badass stunt coordinator, Jean Lebel, stands up for his stunt man,
Speaker 2: and I'm guessing LeBell, you know, criticize the choke hold
Speaker 2: the Cigal was applying, and Seagall's like, well, it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be a problem for me. I just remember I'm immune
Speaker 2: to choke hold because you know, Segall's like, you know,
Speaker 2: basically defending the fact of how he's abusing the staff
Speaker 2: or the crew, you know, and so Labelle's like, you
Speaker 2: can't be doing that, not on my set. He's like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, well, I guess he's just not immune to
Speaker 2: choke O. Maybe he should train more. Like he's just
Speaker 2: being a jerk, right, He's being about cigall jerk where
Speaker 2: he's just like, just like, I can slow my heart
Speaker 2: rate down, so it's not a problem for me, you know,
Speaker 2: like that kind of stuff you would think I'm dead.
Speaker 2: You can basically imagine if he's like the one kid
Speaker 2: when you were ten who would say like the wildest
Speaker 2: stuff and you just knew he was lying, but you
Speaker 2: didn't want to challenge him because then he would literally
Speaker 2: probably do something to hurt himself. Right. He's like, so
Speaker 2: you're saying, I couldn't joke you out anyway. Sagall is like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, he basically tells LeBell like, you know, mind
Speaker 2: your own business. Labelle's like, man, I've heard you talk
Speaker 2: and I could choke you out, Like you think you
Speaker 2: could choke me out. I'm immune. So la Bell's like,
Speaker 2: I could choke you out, and he's like, no, I'm
Speaker 2: not good, I'm immune. Don't they get into it? And
Speaker 2: apparently at some point seems Sagull's like, yeah, let's get
Speaker 2: into position go and he lets him put the squeeze
Speaker 2: on him. Three two one, Steven Sagall's head laws he
Speaker 2: goes out right because Label's yeah, no joke. And apparently
Speaker 2: while he's out, he soils himself and I'm talking like
Speaker 2: he filled both the front and the back of his jeans. Yeah,
Speaker 2: karate gee whatever he was wearing. So before he passed away,
Speaker 2: Jean Lebel spoke with the MMA journalist Ariel Helwani, right,
Speaker 2: and this guy wanted to get the story from him
Speaker 2: because he would never tell the story. He wouldn't, so
Speaker 2: finally he gets LaBelle to tell the story and he's like,
Speaker 2: all right, well we had a little altercation or difference
Speaker 2: of opinion. There were thirty stuntmen and cameramen that were watching.
Speaker 2: Sometimes Steven has a tendency to cheese off to the
Speaker 2: wrong people. You can get hurt doing that. So he's
Speaker 2: just like classic tough guy, right, but what does he
Speaker 2: mean by that? Exactly? The guy presses him. La Bell
Speaker 2: goes well, if a guy soils himself, you can't criticize.
Speaker 2: And because if they just had a nice big dinner
Speaker 2: an hour before, you might just have a tendency to
Speaker 2: do that. So he basically can you know, it confirms
Speaker 2: that he made him crap out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you filled his palazzo pants now.
Speaker 2: Also, right before he finishes his story, he says, at
Speaker 2: one point, you know, he's talking about like why he
Speaker 2: doesn't tell the story and like why Steven Stigall shouldn't
Speaker 2: talk so much, and he uses his pure dojo wisdom.
Speaker 2: He's like, closed mouth, don't catch any foot. Oh, I'm
Speaker 2: adding that to the mantra for Burnett. Hey Burnett, remember
Speaker 2: closed mouth, don't catch any foot. Anyway, on that note,
Speaker 2: let me close my mouth. We'll take or break, listen
Speaker 2: to some ads, chill out, and be back in.
Speaker 5: Two and too.
Speaker 2: Hey Elizabeth, we're back. You ready for round two of
Speaker 2: celebrity beefs?
Speaker 3: I sure am now for.
Speaker 2: This next one. I have an equally strange pairing of
Speaker 2: in this case men, both egotists. One is a lover
Speaker 2: not a fighter, a reported pacifist, a Buddhist and the
Speaker 2: Dali Lama's best buddy in Hollywood. Yeah, there is Sevester Saloon.
Speaker 2: So any guesses on who the other stars in this
Speaker 2: The next Fighter are undercard?
Speaker 3: Who's the tolly Lama pal? Richard Gear?
Speaker 2: Yes, the next Fighting or cards a wild one producer?
Speaker 5: Do you?
Speaker 4: In this corner we have the American Jiggelow himself the
Speaker 4: officer or was he the gentleman who knows the john
Speaker 4: though to her pretty woman, mister Richard Gear. And in
Speaker 4: this corner, Elizabeth, we have the Italian stallion Tango.
Speaker 2: Was he Cash?
Speaker 4: He's the brother of Frank. He's the one with the
Speaker 4: first blood energy, the man who has a knife named
Speaker 4: after his character Rambo. That's right, Rocky Balbo himself.
Speaker 2: Now, if you can believe it now that we got
Speaker 2: these two guys into our metaphysical ring, Yes, they get
Speaker 2: into it right. But before they were famous, oh before
Speaker 2: they were matinee idols. Back when they were both young
Speaker 2: up and comers looking for their big break, trying to
Speaker 2: catch time on film. They were both in a film
Speaker 2: called The Lords of Flatbush. Oh yeah, you know that
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy four films set in nineteen fifty eight Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: It's a story about a group of black leather clad
Speaker 2: greasers with their slick back hair. One of them is Fonsie,
Speaker 2: but he's playing different character. Hey, wrinklers in it. Richard
Speaker 2: Gear and Sylvester Sloan are in it, But that all
Speaker 2: changed because of the story I'm about to tell you,
Speaker 2: because Richard Gear was not in it when the film
Speaker 2: was done. The story goes on the set of Lords
Speaker 2: of Flatbush. Stallone used to clock Richard Gear doing his
Speaker 2: best like cock of the walk parade around the set
Speaker 2: and it bothered Stallone. Right, he had like a real
Speaker 2: inferiority complex when he was a young man, and it
Speaker 2: just he just triggered it hit all the buttons, like
Speaker 2: just put his hands on the keyboard of Stallone. So
Speaker 2: Richard Gear, he knew he was a pretty boy with
Speaker 2: good hair, and he acted like it. And so Stloone
Speaker 2: burns with envy. So I found Stallone's versions of this story.
Speaker 2: So Stallone was once he did at Ama on the
Speaker 2: old fan site. Ain't it cool news?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah?
Speaker 2: And I found that he tells the story of how
Speaker 2: he has his beef with Richard Gear began and now
Speaker 2: take it away, Sylvester Stallone. He would stride around his
Speaker 2: oversized motorcycle jacket like. He was the baddest night at
Speaker 2: the round table. One day, during an improv, he grabbed
Speaker 2: me simulate the fight scene. Guys look carried away. I
Speaker 2: told him that Joe fashioned lighting up, but he was
Speaker 2: completely in character, impossible to deal with. So this is
Speaker 2: the beginning. They're already budding, had young actors, right, but
Speaker 2: you have to understand they're on a film together, so
Speaker 2: they were guaranteed way more interactions when they weren't on
Speaker 2: in front of the camera. Then came the Coney Island incident.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm calling it, Island incident. Back to stallone
Speaker 2: and his ain't a cool news reporting on his own past.
Speaker 2: We were rehearsing Coney Island and it was lunch time,
Speaker 2: and so we decided to take a break. And the
Speaker 2: only place that was warm was in the back seat
Speaker 2: of a Toyota. I was eating the hot dog and
Speaker 2: he climbs in with half a chicken and covered in mustard,
Speaker 2: with grease nearly dripping out of an aluminum wrapper.
Speaker 3: Wait, he got a half chicken.
Speaker 2: Yes, Richard Gear climbs into the back of a Toyota
Speaker 2: with half of a chicken covered in mustard. I thought
Speaker 2: you would now already seen it. In the back of
Speaker 2: that same Toyota slide, Stalone is eating like what I'm
Speaker 2: imagining is a Nathan's famous hot dog. So with that
Speaker 2: imagewelling mind, back to Stallone's story and Richard Gear and
Speaker 2: his greasy mustard coated half a chicken. I said, that
Speaker 2: thing is gonna drip all over the place, and he said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't worry about it. I said, if it gets
Speaker 2: on my pant, you're gonna know about it. He proceeds
Speaker 2: to bite into the chicken and a small greasy river
Speaker 2: of mustard lands on my thigh. I opened them in
Speaker 2: the side of the head and basically pushed them out
Speaker 2: of the car.
Speaker 3: So and then they're all piled into a car. Totally greasy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the back of a Toyota.
Speaker 3: Lords of Flats in the seventies.
Speaker 2: No one had Toyota in the seventies.
Speaker 3: No Lords of Flat bushes. It was like you see it.
Speaker 3: I saw it at Blockbuster, like on the shelf, like
Speaker 3: that looks cool, and then you get it like I
Speaker 3: wasted it.
Speaker 2: That's why I've never had wasted at that thought. Also,
Speaker 2: I love it in this moment, so thatst just stones
Speaker 2: like my clothing, my pan mysla.
Speaker 3: I mean, what's up, tough guys like.
Speaker 2: You gotta get out of Toyota. It was it a sedan,
Speaker 2: I imagine, like a Toyota celica, one of those.
Speaker 3: Inten They climbed into the bed of a pickup.
Speaker 2: There you go. I don't think it'd be warm. But
Speaker 2: they're right up in blankets together looking at the stars.
Speaker 3: With one of the cats over.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, but at this point, now that's creepier. It is
Speaker 2: creepier put them in the back of a truck. So
Speaker 2: the film has a problem because two of their leads
Speaker 2: do not like each other. And you can't have battling stars,
Speaker 2: or you can if you if your director's good at it,
Speaker 2: like a Hitchcock or somebody like that. But if also
Speaker 2: it's a problem because they're the lesser names on the marquee.
Speaker 2: You don't want that kind of distraction. I do not
Speaker 2: I did not know. I could not tell you.
Speaker 3: It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: So at this point, Stallone well back to story. He
Speaker 2: tells the story. The director had to make a choice.
Speaker 2: One of us had to go, one of us had
Speaker 2: to stay. Richard was given this walking papers and to
Speaker 2: this day seriously disliked me. He even thinks I'm the
Speaker 2: individual responsible for the Durbil ruma not true, that's the rumor. Well, well, Rocky, Rocky,
Speaker 2: let him up. You're killing Rocky.
Speaker 3: Come on, respect for adult professionals who can't pull it
Speaker 3: together and just you know, we all have to work
Speaker 3: with people can't stand. But it's like, you know, I've
Speaker 3: had jobs where it's just like, oh my god, if
Speaker 3: I hear this person talk one more time, But you
Speaker 3: do your job and like to be like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: him or me, it's not your project.
Speaker 2: Well you're not. Sylvester Stallone, Yes, thank god. But by
Speaker 2: the way, I wasn't going to bring it up. But
Speaker 2: since he did, he ends with the big whammy, the
Speaker 2: Richard Gear Durable story. And if you don't know where
Speaker 2: that is, you can look it up. But I've never
Speaker 2: considered this before. But now that he brought it up,
Speaker 2: do you think that Sylvester Stallone started the.
Speaker 3: Durable rumor if he said it like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because here he is, decades later, no one's brought
Speaker 2: it up, and he's bringing it up like a little
Speaker 2: more life.
Speaker 3: How amazing are those kind of rumors that spread pre internet?
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh yeah, everybody knew that. Everyone heard that because
Speaker 2: it was the elements were so amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like, how did we all know that? How
Speaker 3: did the word get around?
Speaker 2: It's just the elements. One person tells another person, it's
Speaker 2: a story that's going to hit it in as long
Speaker 2: as one person hears it, they're going to tell people,
Speaker 2: and then they tell two people. It's literally one of
Speaker 2: those like, I.
Speaker 3: Think I think it was sl I think he's freaky.
Speaker 2: If this was the Mafia, he's the rat.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, fast forward two decades to the nineteen nineties. Now
Speaker 2: they've both become stars, and their stars are fading and
Speaker 2: they're trying to reclaim their stars and they both have
Speaker 2: movies doing well in the nineties, so they're on their
Speaker 2: second wave of stardom. Elton John is hosting a party
Speaker 2: at his home for Jeffrey Katzenberg, who is still with
Speaker 2: Disney at this point. Party, I thought, so, it's part
Speaker 2: of the that you'd like to start. I love you
Speaker 2: have part of the schmoozing of what and boozing that
Speaker 2: goes on in a Hollywood film promotional tour in the nineties,
Speaker 2: is you have a party at Elton John. So it's
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four and Disney had the Lion King out,
Speaker 2: just roaring across film screens worldwide. Everybody you know it.
Speaker 2: So Elton John throws a party in London, right, I
Speaker 2: guess half of everybody is there because also there that
Speaker 2: night is Richard Gear and you guessed it, Sly the low.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Elton John doesn't know not to invite
Speaker 2: the two of them.
Speaker 3: Well, and he you know, he's really hitting the A list.
Speaker 2: They still hate each other, by the way. Also at
Speaker 2: the party is a newly single and looking to mingle,
Speaker 2: Princess Diana of Wales. We'll leave it to Sir Elton
Speaker 2: to tell the story straight away. Richie Gear and Diana
Speaker 2: seemed very taken with each other. Now at this point,
Speaker 2: Richard Gear has married and divorced Cindy Crawford, and Princess
Speaker 2: Diana had done the same to Prince Charles, now King Charles.
Speaker 2: Apparently they were both feeling little thirsty, or as you
Speaker 2: would say, she was warm for his form and he
Speaker 2: was aching. He was aching for her bacon. I'd just
Speaker 2: made that one up for you. A for her bacon
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense anyway, as the rest of the US chatted,
Speaker 2: I couldn't help notice a strange atmosphere in the room,
Speaker 2: judging by the kinds of looks he kept shooting them.
Speaker 2: Diana and Richie Gear's newly blossoming friendship was not going
Speaker 2: down with Sylvester Stallone at all.
Speaker 3: Wait.
Speaker 2: I think he may have turned up to the party
Speaker 2: with the express intention of picking Diana up, only to
Speaker 2: find his plans for the evening ruined.
Speaker 3: Sylvester he was going to pull Princess.
Speaker 2: Doe at Elton John's house in London, and then he
Speaker 2: got there and Richard Gear, his old nemesis, he's too
Speaker 2: captain good hair.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I could see Richard Gear happening, but
Speaker 3: like Sylvester Stallone, like Stan, you're Lane my manly, No,
Speaker 3: you're no Dodie.
Speaker 2: So we got Elton John now clocking sad boy Stallone
Speaker 2: as he's losing the princess had pretty boy good hair,
Speaker 2: I mean Richard Gear. Now, what happens next will likely
Speaker 2: not surprise you. Cut to the dinner service portion of
Speaker 2: this London dinner party. Everyone is seated for dinner. Elton
Speaker 2: notices that there are two prominent seats empty, Sylvester Stallone
Speaker 2: and richerd Gear. Where where could they be? Elizabeth? So
Speaker 2: Elton John calls for his husband, David Furnish, Yeah, sends
Speaker 2: him out to investigate. David good look, and in no
Speaker 2: time he finds the two eighties matinee idols outside. They're
Speaker 2: both squaring up to each other, apparently about to settle
Speaker 2: their differences over Diana by having a fistfight.
Speaker 3: Stop it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, they've literally done that. You will take
Speaker 2: this outide, I'm going to have a duel over the
Speaker 2: lad lady. So Elton John's husband breaks up the fist
Speaker 2: fight between Richard Gear and s Lester Stallone, so mactor
Speaker 2: Sir Elton. After dinner, Diana and Richard Gear resumed their
Speaker 2: position together in front of the fire, and Sylvester's stormed
Speaker 2: off her so in his retreat, though Sly apparently had
Speaker 2: enough time to stop and tell Elton that he quote
Speaker 2: never would have come if he knew Prince Effin Charming
Speaker 2: was gonna be there. Oh my god, I don't know
Speaker 2: why that story delights me so much.
Speaker 3: It's incredible.
Speaker 2: This it's a simple tale, a fist fight, but somehow
Speaker 2: reveals how ridiculous our world is. Yeah, what brings me
Speaker 2: to my favorite beef of the bunch. In this corner, Producer,
Speaker 2: if you don't mind. In this corner, we.
Speaker 7: Have the bean of Shi's existence, the venom man Denham,
Speaker 7: the one time rapper turn Hollywood actor turned dog dad.
Speaker 6: This daughter.
Speaker 2: We have the man who's more than meets the eye, the.
Speaker 4: Artist not in residence, the angriest man in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: Shine, you told the story of Willie Carter Sharp, the
Speaker 2: moonshine running Prohibition era getaway driver.
Speaker 3: I certainly did.
Speaker 2: Femme fatale, all around badass.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Well. Tom Hardy and Shia La Booth starred in a
Speaker 2: movie about her family, well her gang, right, the twenty
Speaker 2: twelve film Lawless Yeah, based on the book The Wettest
Speaker 2: County in the World. Yes, about Prohibition era backwoods gangster brothers. Yea,
Speaker 2: the BonDurant family. In the film they play the BonDurant Brothers.
Speaker 2: A great movie.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And well, during the production of that movie, apparently there
Speaker 2: were tensions amongst these very taught actors.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The two notably intense like everybody else, These are probably
Speaker 2: the most intense working actors other than Danielda Lewis and
Speaker 2: a couple others.
Speaker 3: Sure, and you know.
Speaker 2: Anyway, one day they get into a bit of a tussle.
Speaker 2: And here's how Tom Hardy tells the tale. I got
Speaker 2: knocked out by Shia Labuff actually in wedd Is County, apparently,
Speaker 2: and the apparently is there for effect. He lets the
Speaker 2: statement sink in that one Shia Labouf knocked him out,
Speaker 2: and two he's unaware of it.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yes, because Tom Hardy knows how ridiculous that must sound. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: And there's something he knows that you don't know. And
Speaker 2: after the appropriate pause, and because he's a good storyteller,
Speaker 2: Tom Hardy picks his story back up and as the
Speaker 2: missing details, saying, how quote it was behind the scenes, No,
Speaker 2: he did, he knocked me out, sparko. How cold. He's
Speaker 2: a bad, bad boy he is. He's quite intimidating as well.
Speaker 2: He's a scary dude. So some folks might hear that
Speaker 2: and think he's kidding, he's joshing around. But I know
Speaker 2: what he knows. I learned without the benefit of having
Speaker 2: to be punched by Shia Labuff. Elizabeth, you want to
Speaker 2: know what Tom Hardy and I.
Speaker 3: Know about Shile I do.
Speaker 2: He's a legitimate LA gang banger.
Speaker 3: He's a gang banger for real, No, for real, they
Speaker 3: no jokes.
Speaker 2: Is full on jumped in never jumped Doug gang member
Speaker 2: from back when he was a kid actor and coming
Speaker 2: up on Disney shows. He was also poor, living in
Speaker 2: a mostly Mexican neighborhood right by the east side by
Speaker 2: Dodger Stadium. He joined a gang and he used to
Speaker 2: do all that slap boxing and fighting thirteen. He can
Speaker 2: throw hands. He is a well trained street kid.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Shy is also a live wire as a person.
Speaker 2: If you leave that aside, he's troubled. You put that together,
Speaker 2: sparky guy. He's like that old timer at the bar
Speaker 2: you do not want to fight. That's him right, Like
Speaker 2: an Irish boxer, a bare knuckle boxer. Anyway, back to
Speaker 2: the story, is Tom Hardy tells it, He just attacked me.
Speaker 2: He was drinking moonshine. I was wearing a cardigan and
Speaker 2: it went down. I woke up in peanuts.
Speaker 3: Arms wearing a card again.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Peanut is his personal trainer who was keeping him
Speaker 2: in shape for the movie. And so when his personal
Speaker 2: trainer sees Shy Labouth knock out Tom Hardy. According to
Speaker 2: Tom Hardy, Peanut was concerned for me. I was like,
Speaker 2: what was that? He was lightning fast and he said
Speaker 2: that was Shaya And I said, can we go home now? No,
Speaker 2: We've got still three weeks to finish.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If you asked the director Jim Hillcote, he tells a
Speaker 2: much different story. I found an ama on your favorite site.
Speaker 2: Read it. He said that Shia did not knock out
Speaker 2: Tom Hardy or has he answered the question quote, No,
Speaker 2: that's not true. But there was definitely a fight between them.
Speaker 2: It escalated the point where they had to both be restrained.
Speaker 2: But I was very pleased to hear it didn't go
Speaker 2: that way because I would hate to see the outcome.
Speaker 2: Oh god right. Yeah. So lastly, we have the man
Speaker 2: who threw the hands, Shia.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He tells two versions because he's like the Bob Dylan
Speaker 2: of acting. You ain't gonna get the same story twice. So
Speaker 2: the first version, which he told Indy Wire, was quote, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a bunch of We used to wrestle all the time,
Speaker 2: and Tom Hardy is a big person, especially then he's
Speaker 2: getting ready to play Baine. So there's more to the
Speaker 2: story than that, because this was the first version he told.
Speaker 2: But In the second version, there's way more detail, like
Speaker 2: stripped down, show the world everything sort of detail. According
Speaker 2: to he had just finished to work out at his house,
Speaker 2: on his on set house, and then Tom Hardy swings
Speaker 2: by with his trainer from the gym and he comes
Speaker 2: bounding into Shia's place, but Shi is already occupied. He's
Speaker 2: in bed with his girlfriend songs clothing, Tom Hardy do
Speaker 2: not care. Tom Hardy's like, I rock with no clothing.
Speaker 2: So anyway, this is how Shia tells the story on
Speaker 2: the Wings and Hot Sauce Show, Hot Ones.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, quote we used to.
Speaker 2: We tell each other all the time, but it just
Speaker 2: so happened that this one week, my girlfriend was in
Speaker 2: town and he runs into the room and this girl
Speaker 2: I was with at the time was terrified. She covered up,
Speaker 2: she ran into the kitchen and he picked me up
Speaker 2: and I didn't have nothing on. So now I'm naked
Speaker 2: on his shoulder and we're in the hallway. We're wrestling around.
Speaker 2: I'm like Peanut, Peanut is filming at all, And I'm like, Peanut,
Speaker 2: you can't be filming this shit. And then we're like wrestling.
Speaker 2: I got upset about it because he got the better
Speaker 2: of me, but I'm in some like some weird twisty
Speaker 2: naked position. We're here, Am I over here? And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: dude not And he wound up engine over to the stairs.
Speaker 2: We're like like the stairs of the balcony were he
Speaker 2: fell downstairs and he wound up hurting his back. And
Speaker 2: so for the rest of the shoot he told everybody
Speaker 2: I knocked him out. That wasn't the case. We're having
Speaker 2: some sort of cuty wrestling match, some sort of cutie wrestling.
Speaker 3: Match, and he was wearing a card again exactly.
Speaker 2: So there's the story apparently told all the ways. There's
Speaker 2: the cubest version of this story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have we have a crime of like
Speaker 3: I got knocked out.
Speaker 2: I got knocked out by surprise and walking up by
Speaker 2: my trainer another one. I surprised him while he was
Speaker 2: like infilegro delecto breaking entry and breaking entering, and I
Speaker 2: had Peanut filming it.
Speaker 3: Peanut, and then Peanut, what's happening with you?
Speaker 2: Peanut?
Speaker 3: You're making it weird, like how did you get into this?
Speaker 3: So there you go, Elizabeth, Peanut, Why are you so
Speaker 3: easily manipulated?
Speaker 2: Yes, maybe if if Tom Hardy was gonna jump off
Speaker 2: a bridge, Peanut, would you jump off the bridge? I
Speaker 2: don't know those film it.
Speaker 3: If I'm hanging with Tom Hardy's like filming every I'm
Speaker 3: gonna film, film this.
Speaker 2: I make sure to film everything.
Speaker 3: I love that job. It's just like, hey, you know
Speaker 3: you gotta stay above ground and paid.
Speaker 2: That's true. Those are for Hollywood interactions, Elizabeth, as much
Speaker 2: of the truth of their supposed rivalry and fistfight as
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna learn unless Peanut releases the tapes.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Peanut, So let's take another break and after
Speaker 2: these messages, we'll be back with the best of the bunch.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: I saved the best for last.
Speaker 3: I did too, did you?
Speaker 2: That's where I look.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: This next one takes place at the met Galla. It
Speaker 2: was a decade ago, a more innocent time. The year
Speaker 2: was twenty fourteen yea, and this next mad scene went
Speaker 2: down in an elevator. Okay, before our last tale, is
Speaker 2: I present to you when a Beef Royale Jay Z
Speaker 2: versus Solange Knowles.
Speaker 3: I love this so much.
Speaker 2: Before we dive in, you know the fullness of the story, correct,
Speaker 2: You know all the gritty and gossipy details pretty much. Well,
Speaker 2: we'll get to the albums and related songs later, but
Speaker 2: for now, let's start with the interested parties. As you know,
Speaker 2: jay Z and Beyonce were married at the time and
Speaker 2: remained married to this day. Cilange Knowles is Beyonce's younger
Speaker 2: sister and remains her younger sister to this day. Yes,
Speaker 2: at no point did she become her older sister.
Speaker 3: So that's pretty good achievement.
Speaker 2: Dude, my sister passed me up. Now she's my little
Speaker 2: big sister. I'm like, God, this is so terrible and
Speaker 2: I'm the little big brother now. As you also know,
Speaker 2: Anna Wintour is the grand Dome of the Met Gala.
Speaker 2: She comes up with the theme for the year. It's
Speaker 2: the guest list of stars, celebrities, glitterati, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: It's her party evening this evening twenty fourteen. It's a
Speaker 2: charming affair. Rihanna was there all white. Naomi Campbell was there,
Speaker 2: also in all white. Tom Brady and Giselle Bunchin were
Speaker 2: there in matching black. Her and Ballanciaga. Yeah. The theme
Speaker 2: for the year the Met was Charles James Courtier and
Speaker 2: for men, it was white tie. Very simple theme that year, now,
Speaker 2: which is why David Beckham wore a white dinner jacket
Speaker 2: tuxedo while Victoria Beckham wore matching white as The Cut
Speaker 2: reported quote, Victoria Beckham wears dressed by Victoria Beckham. David
Speaker 2: Beckham wears shoes by Christian lebutin so but I'm sure
Speaker 2: I was saying that wrong. Anyway, I just love Victoria
Speaker 2: Beckham wears dressed by Victoria Beckham.
Speaker 3: Following the dress It's like as if she was like
Speaker 3: sewing it herself workshop.
Speaker 2: Her handmade dress had of curtains, so following the dress code.
Speaker 2: Jay Z also wore a white jacket dinner coat tuxedo. Right,
Speaker 2: so he's looking like Rick from Casa Blanca Beyonce war Javon.
Speaker 2: She with a veil like very nineteen twenties, very early thirties. Look,
Speaker 2: you know. Anyway, things didn't get spicy at the met
Speaker 2: gala proper. Instead, it was at the after party. There
Speaker 2: you go. That is where all the drama is lurking.
Speaker 2: At the after party. Solange apparently was already in a
Speaker 2: sour mood that night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know if her heels were killing her after a long
Speaker 2: night or what. But from what I gleaned from the
Speaker 2: gossip sites and the subreddits, yeah, Solange was walking around
Speaker 2: in the after party with a sour face, pissed off,
Speaker 2: and she bumps into the designer Rachel Roy Okay, I
Speaker 2: think Rachel roy came up to her. That's kind of
Speaker 2: what I've read. Yeah, this is notable for two reasons. One,
Speaker 2: Rachel roy is the ex wife of jay Z's former
Speaker 2: business partner.
Speaker 3: Dame Dash Oh right, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And two, rumor has it she is Becky with the
Speaker 2: good hair.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So at this point, Hello Bey.
Speaker 2: The alleged Becky with the good hair stops Solange andols
Speaker 2: at the party. They have some exchange. Rachel roy says
Speaker 2: something jacked up, something that hits. It's like vinegar and
Speaker 2: her glass of milk, and Solange makes our face extrema
Speaker 2: walks off, but she's not done being mad because it's provocations.
Speaker 2: But she is in fact far from being done. At
Speaker 2: this point, Solange is like hell to the no to
Speaker 2: this after party, right. She goes up to find her
Speaker 2: big sister, Beyonce, so she can tell her that Rachel
Speaker 2: Royd just had the gall to come up and get
Speaker 2: in my face and say to me, and she tells
Speaker 2: her we are noping out of this after party right now.
Speaker 2: My point is Solange heated right redlining. They go turbine.
Speaker 2: She finds Beyonce, I'm guessing with one look, her big
Speaker 2: sister's like okay, and then gave her security the sign
Speaker 2: like start exit plan B. Right. So now they are
Speaker 2: ready to pop, and Beyonce tells her security people, you
Speaker 2: know they coordinated. Jay Z is notified Beyonce and Solangenole's
Speaker 2: head for the exits together in one group, right, So
Speaker 2: she got Beyonce, jay Z, Solange security team head for
Speaker 2: the exits. Guided by their bodyguards, they come to an elevator.
Speaker 2: Solange is holding herself back with all of her might
Speaker 2: from whatever Rachel Roy just told her. She knows her
Speaker 2: big sister needs her to not make a scene at
Speaker 2: the met gala, both for herself but mostly for Beyonce.
Speaker 2: But she's a sensitive soul. Elizabeth.
Speaker 3: She's like one of those impossibly cool people, Like there's
Speaker 3: like a handful totally where it's like she's so cool
Speaker 3: in the sense of like so out there the original Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: York's one three thousand, You're just like I can't. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what atmosphere you're in, but you're.
Speaker 2: Just Lauren Hill's kind of.
Speaker 3: There and possibly cool. Yeah, anyway, she's just so anyway.
Speaker 2: So she's also super duper protective of her big sister.
Speaker 2: She's like a little sister extreme to the like, I'll
Speaker 2: get violent, I will tear her faces. So anyway, at
Speaker 2: this point, Solons and Knowles is rocking around like a
Speaker 2: bear in an airplane bathroom, right, and she can barely
Speaker 2: contain herself, nor can the bathroom contain her. She knows
Speaker 2: the volume of her rage is going to get just
Speaker 2: like like you church cathedrals couldn't hold it once she
Speaker 2: lets it out, no telling what will happen. She knows
Speaker 2: this about herself. She's trying to get to that elevator.
Speaker 2: Nobody else knows this. The elevator arrives right, doors open.
Speaker 2: Solange is the first to step into this tiny box right.
Speaker 2: She's holding a clutch purse. Jay Z follows her, and
Speaker 2: then Beyonce's trailing after. Jay Z security like one of
Speaker 2: their primary large bodied bodyguards. He steps into there and
Speaker 2: he's hold the door for Beyonce, so he's got his
Speaker 2: back to the inside of the elevator. He's looking out
Speaker 2: watching her approach. And now this is a small hotel elevator,
Speaker 2: it's not like a big thing. And the doors close
Speaker 2: once Beyonce steps in. Now no one can see them
Speaker 2: right when Beyonce is about to step in, But just
Speaker 2: before the doors close, Solange can't help herself and starts
Speaker 2: getting in jay Z's face. So people see the beginnings
Speaker 2: of a scene, and then the door's closed. Ultimate mystery.
Speaker 2: But once there's no longer any worries of making a scene,
Speaker 2: Now Solange is able to let it out in order
Speaker 2: to tell you what happens when Solange goes boom. Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: I need you to close your eyes and I'd like
Speaker 2: you to a picture. It's been a long night for you, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: Three weeks ago you were in Indio, California, there for
Speaker 2: a surprise performance by your boss, Beyonce at her sister
Speaker 2: Solange's headliners said at Coachella, that was no fun for you.
Speaker 2: The backstage was barely secure. Seemed like anyone everyone in
Speaker 2: their dog walker could get a pass backstage. Keeping Beyonce
Speaker 2: safe from the nutters is a full time job. But
Speaker 2: when you're adding close exposure to folks at a place
Speaker 2: like Coachella. It's like you're a secret service for the President,
Speaker 2: only more important because you're protecting Beyonce. Now tonight, the
Speaker 2: gig has been a stranger. New York is always a
Speaker 2: challenge for bodyguards. There's so much having to go down
Speaker 2: to the street to leave, unlike say La, where it's
Speaker 2: a car built culture and the resulting parking lots built
Speaker 2: underneath the buildings provide far less exposure for the stars.
Speaker 2: The ins and outs are much easier from a security perspective,
Speaker 2: which has been a little easier than say Coachella. That's
Speaker 2: because an a Whim Tour runs a tight shit along
Speaker 2: with her husband Jay Z, as well as her sister Solange,
Speaker 2: are in Manhattan to hit on a Win Tour's annual
Speaker 2: fashion mega event and met gala. You knew that meant
Speaker 2: a long night for you and your sore dogs. It
Speaker 2: has been exactly that. Now your fallen arches are aching.
Speaker 2: You cannot wait to get home and take off these
Speaker 2: brand new dress shoes. But the first you have to
Speaker 2: endure this afterparty. That's where you are now at the
Speaker 2: Standard hotel. Thankfully, Beyonce has just given you the signal
Speaker 2: to clear an exit path. You and your team do
Speaker 2: exactly that, crisp clear, just as you practice. Now she's
Speaker 2: stepping into the elevator, following her husband, Jay Z and
Speaker 2: her sister Solange. You hold the door open for Beyonce,
Speaker 2: just like you practice. Your head has turned so you
Speaker 2: don't exactly see how it starts. You just hear it.
Speaker 2: Before the elevator doors can fully closed, Solange must spin
Speaker 2: around on her heels, and she gets in Jay's face,
Speaker 2: and she hear her ask is it true? Is it true?
Speaker 2: He has no idea what she's talking about her, So
Speaker 2: it seems because Jass, is what true? You heard me?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 2: Troy Aikman looking sob this is a problem for you. You
Speaker 2: know what Beyonce would want you to do, So you
Speaker 2: do that. You start furiously tapping the closed door button.
Speaker 2: The doors do not react quickly enough because Solange has
Speaker 2: gone full mask off. She's dropped any pretense at proper behavior.
Speaker 2: She gets right in her brother in law's face and yells,
Speaker 2: spittle hitting his face. Did you do it? Jay's like,
Speaker 2: do what?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: What you hear Solange say? As you turn back, finally,
Speaker 2: still hoping these damn elevator doors will close. Solange ain't
Speaker 2: waiting for anything. She throws a right She tries to
Speaker 2: hit jay Z in the face with her tasteful beaded clutch,
Speaker 2: but Jay is too street to get caught sleeping like that.
Speaker 2: He's also quick to raise a hand and block it,
Speaker 2: so Solange pulls back for a second blow. The elevator
Speaker 2: doors are just about to close. Tay blocks it again.
Speaker 2: The doors closed, Solange ain't done. She pulls back, and
Speaker 2: this time Jay isn't quick enough to block it. Her
Speaker 2: right hand connects with his famous face. Meanwhile, you don't
Speaker 2: know what to do. It's hold so wrong, so fast,
Speaker 2: you never expect the threat to come from inside the family.
Speaker 2: After a moment of hesitation, you reach around and surround
Speaker 2: the lounge with your arms, and you hold her back
Speaker 2: from going full Muhammed Ali on Hove's face. But she's
Speaker 2: still not done, and she's got two other limbs you
Speaker 2: have not restrained, so she uses those limbs. You feel
Speaker 2: her squirm as she sets up, and then Kiah, she
Speaker 2: kicks jay Z. He catches her foot. She kicks them again.
Speaker 2: You realize you're gonna need to fully separate them, so
Speaker 2: you pull the lune back further. She senses it, and
Speaker 2: she takes another swipe at jay Z with her right
Speaker 2: foot before she's out of range. She misses. You are impressed.
Speaker 2: Her commitment to hurting him is remarkable. You elbow the
Speaker 2: emergency stop button and pause the elevator between the floor
Speaker 2: somewhere between the twelve, eleventh and twelfth floors. You hope
Speaker 2: that your quick thinking will keep this fight from becoming
Speaker 2: headline news tomorrow. And then you look up and you
Speaker 2: see it the surveillance camera in the corner of the elevator.
Speaker 2: You sigh to yourself, so much for your quick thinking.
Speaker 2: They're a professional now. What you don't realize at the
Speaker 2: time is that you just witness an event that will
Speaker 2: lead to not one, but two albums, not one but
Speaker 2: two tours, as well as the incredible visual album Lemonade
Speaker 2: that establishes Beyonce as the pre eminent multi media artist
Speaker 2: or her generation. That's all it comes for. Now, they
Speaker 2: need to get out of this building without making more
Speaker 2: of a scene. It's decided that while the three exit
Speaker 2: the met Gala after party together, the husband and wife
Speaker 2: do not leave together in the same car. Beyonce and
Speaker 2: Solange are escorted to one car. Security takes jay Z
Speaker 2: to a different car. Oh yeah, I read everything I
Speaker 2: could find on this one. At this point, what it
Speaker 2: happened was Rachel Roy alleged to be the woman that
Speaker 2: jay Z slept with, cheating on his wife Beyonce. She
Speaker 2: came up to Beyonce's sister and said in her face
Speaker 2: that she essentially was the one, and like, maybe I'm
Speaker 2: going to be You're gonna be the ex sister in
Speaker 2: law or something to this effect, intimating that jay Z
Speaker 2: and her had known each other in the biblical sense
Speaker 2: clan did not let her finish all of her thought
Speaker 2: before she told her where she should go. It's spun around, right,
Speaker 2: So this provokes Solange and then she immediately confronts jay
Speaker 2: Z is this true, which then leads to the squabble
Speaker 2: up because he denies it and she knows he's lying. Next,
Speaker 2: Beyonce and jay Z then have a convo about his
Speaker 2: alleged infidelity. Jay Z's first impulse is to lie, right,
Speaker 2: he denies it. Yeah, he does that for a while,
Speaker 2: but lying to Beyonce ain't easy. No, the truth is
Speaker 2: gonna come out, is it?
Speaker 5: Did?
Speaker 2: Jay Z admits he did, in fact have an affair.
Speaker 2: Beyonce is shot heartbroken. She's faced with a difficult decision.
Speaker 2: Can she forgive his Troy Aikmanflikan face and or does
Speaker 2: she even want to fight for her marriage? She answers
Speaker 2: those two questions and others, and it leads to the
Speaker 2: greatest work of art of the twenty first century, her
Speaker 2: visual album Lemonade. I know you love it as much
Speaker 2: as I do, prisked more than I do. I don't know, so,
Speaker 2: but I got to ask, what's your favorite track or
Speaker 2: video or lyric or turn a phrase anything from Lemonade
Speaker 2: that just jumps to mind.
Speaker 3: It's the whole thing. It's it is so genius. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's a beautiful, genius album. But the visual it's.
Speaker 2: The New Orleans stuff like the cock car and then
Speaker 2: the little boy in front of and so everything, the
Speaker 2: big hat and the nodding. I mean, like the moment
Speaker 2: so z he you know, at this point, you know
Speaker 2: he knows he's wrong. Everybody knows he's wrong. Becauade.
Speaker 3: It's such a great journey to the narrative of it.
Speaker 2: It's a master work. I mean it literally is a
Speaker 2: master work. And she like talks about like her decision
Speaker 2: to forgive and her restoration of herself and like like
Speaker 2: she has to like be honest with herself and like,
Speaker 2: you know, her dream is gone, her fantasies are gone,
Speaker 2: her illusions are gone. Now she has to be you know,
Speaker 2: real with her love.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So after all this and all the claim and and
Speaker 2: love she gets for what Lemonade is, jay Z goes
Speaker 2: to the lab with pen and a pad and then
Speaker 2: he starts scratching out layer. He comes back with his
Speaker 2: album four forty four.
Speaker 3: Which is a fantastic out also very good album. Right,
Speaker 3: it's also like notes from My Therapy.
Speaker 2: Well, he's got that one song Killed jay Z. Yes,
Speaker 2: what a great title. He essentially admits his infidelity in that,
Speaker 2: and he tried to make Beyonce believe him over her sister. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and how both of those acts were very wrong, both
Speaker 2: trying belonging to her and trying to split her from
Speaker 2: her sister. Essentially, yes, or as he rhymed it, you
Speaker 2: egg Selange on no one all along all you had
Speaker 2: to say I was wrong in case that was too subtle.
Speaker 2: He also had another song on the album called I
Speaker 2: Apologize Often Woman Eyed. I don't deserve you.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: But you know, in that moment, you don't be subtle,
Speaker 2: like write your message in the sky, write a song
Speaker 2: and record a whole album about it.
Speaker 3: You want to.
Speaker 2: Hold on to Beyonce once again, he's able to keep
Speaker 2: Beyonce from leaving him. And because of his infidelity. And
Speaker 2: in the end, it wasn't jay Z versus Salange, it
Speaker 2: was jay Z versus jay Z. Yeah, he was the
Speaker 2: rival he made along the way.
Speaker 3: As for Beyonce, what if he would have pressed charges
Speaker 3: against her.
Speaker 2: Fun, Yeah, totally that would have been really like the
Speaker 2: whole legal assault on her.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: As for Beyonce, Lemonade is considered, as I said, we
Speaker 2: both said, no Bs one of the greatest works of
Speaker 2: art of the modern era and I'm not I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2: Rolling Stone ranked the best album of this century. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the thirty second album of all time of all
Speaker 2: the albums ever recorded. The album won Grammys, that won
Speaker 2: MTV Video Music Awards, it won a Peabody Award. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: all because so Launch stayed true and because jay Z
Speaker 2: tried to lie but had to come clean. And Beyonce
Speaker 2: how she turned her pain and grief and confusion and
Speaker 2: her restoration into art. That's why we call her the Queen.
Speaker 2: So there you go. And also she still wasn't done
Speaker 2: because in case Jay Z or anyone else needed a reminder.
Speaker 2: On her song Cozy off of her album Renaissance, Beyonce
Speaker 2: sag the lyrics confident. Damn. She lethal might have suggest
Speaker 2: you don't with my ci because she comfortable. And that's
Speaker 2: where we leave this one, Elizabeth, it's Beyonce getting the
Speaker 2: last word. I got to ask you, what's a ridiculous
Speaker 2: take away here?
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. You know, these the egos involved are
Speaker 3: so severe, you know, like I think that's none of
Speaker 3: them are able to kind of let go of the ego.
Speaker 3: Even Richard gear Mister.
Speaker 2: You know, I never believed that Buddhist stuff. Nothing about
Speaker 2: what he does seems very Buddhist, hanging out with the
Speaker 2: Dalai Lama, No.
Speaker 3: Exactly, but you know, I just I'm still really hung
Speaker 3: up on sliced alone, thinking he had a chance with princess.
Speaker 2: Princess, like you like, it's ridiculous. You know, I once
Speaker 2: met him. That's why my my my spot on accurate accents,
Speaker 2: They're like, wearon was did you guys get sta loan
Speaker 2: for this. Well, it's because I met him.
Speaker 3: So I met him too.
Speaker 2: Did you like when you actually I met his kid?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like thirteen, and she's you know where,
Speaker 3: We're on the ski lift in Park City, Utah. Nice
Speaker 3: And I sat next to him and then stallone not
Speaker 3: almost knocked my brother over coming down the.
Speaker 2: Very that's very stallone the hill.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I got to talk paint in colors with him for
Speaker 2: an hour walking around and he was just inventing colors.
Speaker 2: He's like, I think this room should be a we
Speaker 2: were we were painting his office for his production and
Speaker 2: I was in my house painting days. Elizabeth.
Speaker 3: Wow, anyway, profile I know.
Speaker 2: Right, just name dropping over here. So yeah, and then
Speaker 2: there's more to that story, but I will not tell it.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: You in the moon for a talkback? Yes, you can
Speaker 2: wash away please? Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I went get hey, guys. I was just listening to
Speaker 3: the saga of Chewy the Mespipe Raccoon, and Elizabeth had
Speaker 3: mentioned that maybe they'll make a movie about a raccoon
Speaker 3: like Cocaine Bear.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: They actually did. It's in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: It was called Crack Coon, And I tried looking up
Speaker 3: IMDb notes about it. There was not much there, sorry,
Speaker 3: but I thought that that was ridiculous and you guys
Speaker 3: could totally go check it out if you need something
Speaker 3: to do. That is one ridiculous krackcoon.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is because those little trash pandas deserve that
Speaker 2: kind of treatment.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you for that. Yes well.
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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zarin Brunette,
Speaker 2: produced and edited by Solange Knowles sparring partner and jay
Speaker 2: Z's secret ghostwriter for his greeting cards dayksdu and starring
Speaker 2: Annaly's Rutgers as Judith. Research is by Shia Lubouf's Worst Nightmare,
Speaker 2: Marissa Brown. Our theme song is by Thomas We Do
Speaker 2: This for You the People, Lee and Travis was that
Speaker 2: supposed to be? Bame? Okay Dutton. The host wardrobe provided
Speaker 2: by Body five hundred. Guest hair and makeup by Sparkleshot
Speaker 2: and mister Andre. Executive producers are Ben Honey Boy is
Speaker 2: an underrated movie, Bowling and Noel. Jay Z should have
Speaker 2: known better, but thankfully we got Lemonade.
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