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Speaker 1: M hm okay. Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast,

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Speaker 1: a weekly conversation about mental health, personal development, and all

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Speaker 1: the small decisions we can make to become the best

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Speaker 1: possible versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy hard

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Speaker 1: and Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more

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Speaker 1: our website at Therapy for Black Girls dot com. While

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Speaker 1: relationship with a licensed mental health professional. Hey y'all, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for joining me for session to forty of

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Speaker 1: the episode after a word from our sponsors. Well we've

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Speaker 1: made it. This week we wrapped up the fifth and

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Speaker 1: final season of HBO's Insecure, and boy did they wrap

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Speaker 1: it up. So of course Dr Orio Will is back

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Speaker 1: with us this week to chat all about it. If

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Speaker 1: you've missed her here before, she's an author, international speaker,

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Speaker 1: and certified sex and relationship therapist in the Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Metro area. She's the owner of a nod right and

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Speaker 1: specializes in working with black women on issues related to

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Speaker 1: colorism and texturism and its impacts on mental and sexual health.

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Speaker 1: She's also the author of Cocoa Butter and Hair Grease,

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Speaker 1: a self love journey through hair and skin. Dr Orio

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Speaker 1: Will and I chatted about how each character storyline was

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Speaker 1: wrapped up, our personal takeaways from the journey that has

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Speaker 1: been Insecure, and our thoughts on what it might inspire

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Speaker 1: in your own life. This episode does contain spoilers. As always,

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Speaker 1: our conversation. So we have finally come to the series

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Speaker 1: finale of Insecure. Oh, I know, I feel like we've

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Speaker 1: sung it prematurely a couple weeks ago, because now it

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Speaker 1: I'm in a happy, sad place. I'm also excited to

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Speaker 1: see whatsa ray will do moving forward. So before we

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Speaker 1: jump too far into all of what has unfolded in

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Speaker 1: because we are recorded the morning after. So Insecure originally

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Speaker 1: premiered on October night sixteen, which I had not remembered.

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Speaker 1: So that's the day before my birthday. And so I

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Speaker 1: But it feels very celebratory now that that I go

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Speaker 1: I told with twenty sixteen, and so if you think

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Speaker 1: about like where your life was and what was going on,

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Speaker 1: then what was happening for you? And I told with

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Speaker 1: I graduated with my PhD. I started a NOD right

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Speaker 1: even thinking about like the trajectory your life has taken

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Speaker 1: in very weird and beautiful ways, brought so many things together. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because it's like looking at the trajectory

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Speaker 1: course season four was all about Issa and Molly's relationship

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Speaker 1: to Molly's birthday. I was actually loving that Molly allowed

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00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: EASA to throw this party for her, the small gathering,

430
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: and that Tiffany was able to return and to be

431
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: present for that, and that we got to meet Kelly

432
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: is booting and it was a space of allowing people

433
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: to support and celebrate you. Yeah. So after Molly's birthday,

434
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: then we see EASA's first birthday party, right, and so

435
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: he has, you know, a surprise birthday party, and we

436
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: see the game kind of reassembled. Tiffany was not there

437
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: right for EASA's surprise birthday party, but we do see

438
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: the reappearance of Nathan now at this surprise party, right,

439
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: And so again we don't know how much time has

440
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: passed since that night. To me, it felt like it

441
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: had been a significant amount of time, right, significant enough

442
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: to be like, dude, you you you ain't communicated with

443
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: me at all, but you did show up here right, right, So,

444
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: so enough time where you're not like stealing your feelings

445
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: enough to like be like I'm definitely not going to that,

446
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: but also enough time where there has been like this

447
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: growth and reflection on thinking about like, okay, what actually happened. Yeah,

448
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: I think they must have used your work book. Shout

449
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: out to the questions that need answers after that one,

450
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: because I feel like they answered some questions because I'm like,

451
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: you know, it's very cute when everyone's like, oh, I

452
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: just need to talk to them. Soccer has some closure.

453
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: Actually what you need is the workbook and then you

454
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: don't and then you know you don't actually need to

455
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: have no conversation with nobody in order to get that closure.

456
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: But I like the way that they were able to

457
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: sort of come together in that moment, and it was

458
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: just like people come into your life for a reason.

459
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: And I hope that you don't have any regrets. And

460
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: I think that oftentimes we regret the relationships that we've

461
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: had with people, especially when they've ended, because we have

462
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: been taught that relationship ending is a relationship failure. So

463
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: we don't know how to see the celebration in it.

464
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: Because I'm just like Oh, that is amazing that you

465
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: broke up. It's great that you got that divorce. It

466
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: don't feel great right now, But here's the great part.

467
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: You know that that person is not for you in

468
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: the direction your life is currently taking, and you have

469
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: decided to pivot. What is better than that? What is

470
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: better than that? You're finished? This thing doesn't fit you,

471
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: You're finished with it. You're able to let it go

472
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: in peace and find something that fits you. But no,

473
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: we are culture of make that fit at all costs,

474
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: and if it don't, something's wrong with you. And I'm

475
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: talking about from close to people. We will hang on

476
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: to alfite from seven years ago that ain't fit but

477
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: ten thinking. We're gonna bully our body to be back

478
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: where it was back then, the same way that we

479
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: try to bully ourselves into being the people that we

480
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: were back when. For people, I'm looking like allowing yourself

481
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: growth and change and level up your wardrobe. That's all

482
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: it is. This is a leveling up. It's like, yes,

483
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: I am hoping you have no regrets. People come into

484
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 1: your life for a reason and they also exit when

485
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: it's time to go. Mmm. Yes, the closure comes from you,

486
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: not from this magical conversation that you're thinking you're gonna

487
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: have with your It just really I mean, that happens

488
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: on Lifetime movies, right, but it does not typically happen

489
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: in real life. So I think at Isa's surprise party

490
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: is also when we see this like side conversation about

491
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: when Molly is proposing that Kelly actually joined the firm, right,

492
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: like she's had this conversation. You know, they're really excited

493
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: about the idea of an estate planning kind of wing

494
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: of the firm, and so we see we kind of

495
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: talked about this last episode, are we going to see

496
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: them going to business together at some point? And so

497
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 1: we see that that is the proposal of that idea.

498
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: The next birthday we have is now Tiffany's birthday, and

499
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: so the game has all assembled in Denver at her

500
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: beautiful home. Right, she's giving them a tour and I

501
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: hated here. You can't forget that, Oh my god, when

502
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: she finally felt comfortable enough to be like, y'all, look,

503
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: I just this ain't it. I'm not loving this at all.

504
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: I think that people don't see that as being vulnerable

505
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: and it is to be like here's my pretty house

506
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: and I hated here, and how her husband was just like, Yo,

507
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: my friends ain't visited, and how she's just like I

508
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: ain't got no friends here. His family was excited for

509
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: all of five minutes. And now we've become mundane and

510
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't have connection here. I don't have friends here,

511
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: not a job here, and this is not the life

512
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: that I envisioned for myself, right, And so you know,

513
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: when we fast forward, it's still hard to tell, like

514
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: whether they have moved back to Ellie. I don't think

515
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: that that was ever really cleared up, like a part

516
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: of me felt like they had, But I don't know

517
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: for sure because we didn't really kind of revisit where

518
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: Tiffany's world was again after this birthday scene. Yeah, we didn't,

519
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: and I wish that we did, because it would have

520
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: been nice to know exactly where there were, especially given

521
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: the promises that she was making to Kelly about you know,

522
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: being there for her her journey exactly exactly. So, while

523
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: they are at Tiffany's home and then her, we see

524
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: that Issa and Molly are in the kitchen having a conversation.

525
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: Molly is finishing enough some work and Issa sees a

526
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: picture of the Papa posse I think is what their

527
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: name was, right of all men and their kids. And

528
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: she looks like longingly, you know at this picture where

529
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: Lawrence is pictured, And so Molly then feels like, Okay,

530
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: this is the moment to ask this question, like what

531
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: would you have said that night said if Nathan didn't intervene? Right?

532
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: And so he is like, you know, I'm not really sure,

533
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: but I think there's a part of her that kind

534
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: of knows what she would have said. But then again,

535
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: I feel like this was part two of Molly's conversation

536
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: that she had in this last episode around like if

537
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: you're honest with yourself, you know what you really want

538
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: to do, and get out of your head and stop

539
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: worrying about what other people are going to think about

540
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: the decision, and make the decision that you feel like

541
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: it's best for you. And I think that she had

542
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: taken that thing too heart about being wishy washing yes.

543
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: And it was funny because didn't Nathan also call her

544
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: sometiming yep? So it's like she is trying so hard

545
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: to not be that that she is also not listening

546
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: to what it is that she's saying that she wants. Yeah,

547
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: And I feel like Molly drops like her therapy wisdom

548
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: on her, and it's talking about like how when she

549
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: was in the space of overthinking, which clearly in the

550
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: case like that she no longer feels like she does

551
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: a lot of overthinking, which of course the growth, right,

552
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: we love to see it. We didn't see Molly in

553
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: therapy this season, but I think it was alluded to,

554
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: like several times that she was still working with her

555
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: therapist or at least still had gotten a lot out

556
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: of that relationship. So even though we didn't see her

557
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: physically in the office anymore, we still kind of saw

558
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: some of that therapy piece kind of playing in the

559
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: background work. And I just be wondering, like people be

560
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: getting it from the friends that are in therapy. I'm

561
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: looking like, do you know how much better it would

562
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: be if you were the friends? And can you only

563
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: imagine like this is just second and information she's sharing. Word,

564
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, get into it. You and your friend got

565
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: into it, y'all should get into therapy together. I'm looking like,

566
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: there are therapists that will see you. Yes, you can't

567
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: do friendship face therapy. Come on, let's go get this work.

568
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: And of course, and we and that with you know

569
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: the news, Yeah, the news, so you know Molly and

570
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: he's here talking. Then Molly's brother calls and we see

571
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: she takes the call and she gets this devastating news

572
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: that it sounds like her mom has passed. And so

573
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: this is the point at which I started bawling in

574
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: this episode, because I thought, you know, there had been

575
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: so many conversations around death, and then we saw her

576
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: have the stroke earlier this season, but then she recovered, right,

577
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: and so I thought we had kind of planning, yes,

578
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: and I thought we had moved past the idea that

579
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: somebody was actually going to die this season, even though

580
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: there had been rumblings, right, And so I felt like, oh, man, right,

581
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: like just knowing you know friends who have gotten that call, right,

582
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: and like how it just you can can go from

583
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: having like this regular mundane conversation one minute to like

584
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: your world completely falling apoart, right, And so I would

585
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: have liked to spend more a time there because I

586
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 1: think the death of a friend's parent also impacts the circle, right,

587
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: and I think we see a little bit of that

588
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: in the future scenes. But we didn't get a proper

589
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: home going for Ms. Carol and I really would have

590
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: like not even a quick nothing. We didn't get right

591
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: past it, and I don't want to talk to right now.

592
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: We got we are in morning, yes, So I felt

593
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: like it moved very quickly from this news that her

594
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: mom has now passed to then the next scene we

595
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: see is Lawrence's birthday. So that was interesting that it's like, Okay,

596
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm thinking we're just focusing on the four friends and

597
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: marking time with them, but of course we get Lawrence

598
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: thrown into here. But again, we don't know how much

599
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: time has passed since Molly's mom passed to when Lawrence's

600
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: birthday is, because I was thinking maybe she was calling

601
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: to tell him about like Molly's mom passing, but say,

602
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: there was no conversation around that, so clearly there's already

603
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: been a funeral. So again we have no idea how

604
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: long it has been since that happens. But he said

605
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: it's calling Lawrence to say happy birthday, and it feels

606
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: like there's awkwardness because it's issa right, like I feel

607
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: like there's just always going to be some level of that,

608
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: But there wasn't any indication of like have they spoken

609
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: since that night? It felt like, Okay, we're just catching

610
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: up with any X you might call on their birthday

611
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: if you still want to say happy birthday to them.

612
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: I was under the impression that they did not speak

613
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: because it was you know how she started the conversation

614
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: with I didn't want to let too much time pass,

615
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: so I assumed that there was a lack of speaking,

616
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: or very minimal speaking, or you know, like that sort

617
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: of passed by text. I also thought it was fitting that,

618
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, while Mama is trying to convince Lawrence about

619
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: being with Condola, that's the moment used to call, right

620
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: He like, okay, Ma, Mama had to call you back. Yeah. So, Also,

621
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: we did not see Condola this episode, which I thought

622
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: was an interesting choice, right, Like, so we see job

623
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: of course, but we didn't see her at all. But

624
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: clearly she's still in the background. But that conversation led

625
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: me to believe that they are in a good place

626
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: with co parenting, right and like, and now his parents

627
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: are like, okay, are y'all gonna get back together? Like

628
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: what's happening? But it does not seem that Lawrence is

629
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: interested in that, because he'sa asked like, oh, can I

630
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: take you off for your birthday? And we see he

631
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: already has plans and another gorgeous girl walks in and says, hey, babe,

632
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: are you ready? Kind of thing right, another system that

633
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: we had not seen. So Lawrence has yet a new

634
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: boo who is going to be taking him out for

635
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: his birthday. And I'm just like, well, she also hung

636
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: up before he could say whatever he was gonna say.

637
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: M right, like, what's he gonna say, like can we

638
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: get together tomorrow? Or you know, we have no clue

639
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: like what was going to happen? Yeah, I was just

640
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: like ah, And then she called Molly and it went

641
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: to voicemail, which we see a couple of a couple

642
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: of times, right, which was concerning, And so I expected

643
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: that I would see some kind of pop up because

644
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: again we don't know how much time has passed when

645
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: we see like Molly, and of course she's grieving. Who

646
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: knows like how she's taking care of herself at this point,

647
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: but it was concerning that we kept seeing her not there.

648
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: So after Lawrence's birthday, the next birthday is Kelly's birthday.

649
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: So Kelly's you know, gorgeous first of all, in this

650
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: green gown. I'm like, where did I get this? This

651
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: is gorgeous. Oh my gosh, looking so queenly. And so

652
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: she has this announcement at her birthday party that she

653
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: is also expecting, right, and I'm like, well, wow, where

654
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: did that come from? We we have not had any

655
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: indication I think around, you know, like what was going

656
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: on with her and her interest in like having kids.

657
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: But Issa then shares, oh, this is news, like when

658
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: did you change your mind? Right? When did you change them?

659
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to have kids. And she goes back

660
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: to you know, the Stanford reunion where they had her

661
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: on the rest in peaceless basically and you know, talking

662
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: about how the you know cause her And that's what

663
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: we've seen much of her from this season is like

664
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: questioning like her purpose and really kind of wrestling with

665
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: some things about like whether she's happy with her life,

666
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: what more does she want to do? And so now

667
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: we see clearly she has changed her mind about wanting

668
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: to have kids, and so she has chosen to have

669
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: a baby with her new partner. And she has now

670
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: also joined the firm. So we hear her talking about

671
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: the fact that she is at Molly's firm and taking

672
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: care of business there. Yeah, I do like the piece

673
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: around the right to change your mind. And at the

674
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: same time, and we haven't gotten all the way to

675
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: the end, But at the same time, I'm like, did

676
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: everyone need to wrap up with somebody and or with

677
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: kids for us to feel like things had closed out

678
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: well and like they were secured? Is that what we

679
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: needed to see? Interesting? I hadn't thought about that. But again,

680
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: I do like the right to change your mind, right,

681
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: and and that changing mind doesn't have to do with

682
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: you know, family badgering you about the values of having

683
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: a kid and all that other stuff. That seems like

684
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: something that she came to on her own, that she

685
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: realized that she wanted to have this person's child and

686
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: that's how she came to her choice that way. I mean,

687
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: I also like the progressiveness of her of her sexual

688
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: prowess that she's like, yes, I'm doing the butt stuff too,

689
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: and just like, all right now, I know that you

690
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: didn't need to know what but the sex therapy, the

691
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: sex therapy was very excited about this this new information

692
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: because you know, I feel like Kelly b B and

693
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: me like from that ESA's birthday where she was just

694
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: like when I had bad sex with and the guy

695
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: I glared at him and I went on both the

696
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: field chair. I was just like, all right, now, oh

697
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: my god, she's so hilarious. Yeah, I hope you have

698
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: a conversation about the fact that the sex is bad.

699
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: But it sounds like she's had a good sex and

700
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: she's exploring her sexuality and that she feels safe enough

701
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: to do so with the partner that she's with. And

702
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm loving all that for Kelly. Meanwhile,

703
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: Lisa had that sexy man. I was like, excuse me, So,

704
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, I saw a lot of people talk about this,

705
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: and I also felt like he was like Daniel copy right,

706
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: And so that also was surprising to me that it

707
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: feels like we saw everybody else revisit this season except Daniel,

708
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: and I think that there's probably some reasons for that, right,

709
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: Like we already got Nathan and Lawrence, Right, do we

710
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: need to also bring in Daniel, who is who she

711
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: cheated with, Right, Like, we don't need that much matter, right,

712
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: But Nacia definitely gave me Daniel vibes, you know, so

713
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: she did get her another gorgeous brother, but it was

714
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: not Daniel, and that and that sexiest Lingerie said that

715
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: she was I was just like, okay, but this is

716
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: also the episode where or that was also the part

717
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: where we saw the last mirror, but wasn't it I

718
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: think so? I think so the last conversation like Lawrence

719
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: calling when she's about to go get some right and

720
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: Mary like it's never gonna work. You down that to

721
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: move on? Yeah, And we also see I think her

722
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: again talking about the fact that like she's called Molly

723
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: and hasn't heard from her. So I feel like there

724
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: are three different occasions where we have like where is Molly,

725
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: Like what is going on with Molly? And Molly was

726
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: not at Kelly's birthday? No, she was not at Kelly's birthday,

727
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: And so I feel like that is to mark you know,

728
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: the grief and like how you just fall off and

729
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: you just you know, trying to put the pieces together

730
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: for yourself. But it was concerning that, like we didn't

731
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: really know what was going on. But then we see

732
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: the next scene is now we are back at Molly's birthday.

733
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: So now the timeline is coming together, right because we

734
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: now know it is at least a year since Molly's birthday. Yes, yeah,

735
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 1: so he SA finally gets Molly on the phone so Molly.

736
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: We see Molly in her office at the firm, and

737
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: it is her birthday, and she's talking about about the grief, right,

738
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: like about how sad it has been, and you know

739
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: how difficult it feels that she's going to continue to

740
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: have birthdays and her mom is not gonna be there,

741
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, So so sharing some really I think real

742
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: stuff about like what the grieving process looks like. And

743
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: I think too many of us have been sold on

744
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: this idea if you'll get over it in a couple

745
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: of months, and I'm just like, I mean, they're birthdays

746
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: and anniversaries where people are present and you expect certain things,

747
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: and when those things don't happen, yeah, grief, you will

748
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: still miss this person and that that is okay for

749
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: you to miss that person. Yeah. And I think this

750
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: is where we see a glimpse of how the grief

751
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: has impacted their friendship, right because clearly it sounds like

752
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: it's been a minute since they have caught up with

753
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: one another. And at first I thought is easy in

754
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: a new city, Like, what's what's happening here? That's kind

755
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: of the vibe was giving me. But no, it's just

756
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, Molly sayings like life is lifing, right, and

757
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: it feels harder, you know, to kind of be intentional

758
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: about like catching up with your people, and like work

759
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: is happening and I'm grieving and you know, relationships and

760
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: all of this stuff, and so they're wanting to make

761
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: better effort to like catch up with one another. But

762
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: it does sound like it has been sometimes since they

763
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: last chatted, yeah, because I'm like what she was also

764
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: saying that she was using work as a as part

765
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: of her coping method, that she was able to focus

766
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 1: on that and so that she was grieving a little

767
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: bit differently and that piece around, Like I like that

768
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: Issa reminded her that it's okay for her to not

769
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: be okay. Yeah, because they started off the conversation with

770
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: just the celebratory heavy birthday and then he's like, how

771
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: are you really doing right? Which I appreciated. I felt

772
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: like this entire finale was a lot of like very

773
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: tender moments between Issa and Molly, which I really really love,

774
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: going back to the idea that they are the true

775
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: love story that the Insecure is about, because it really

776
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: feels like they have gotten into a really good groove

777
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: in their friendship now. Of like what does the other

778
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: person need? And like how can I show up for them?

779
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: Which I was really really excited to see the same,

780
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: and the level of intention that they're putting in their

781
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: their effort that they were putting in and seeing at

782
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: some point because life happens that that means that sometimes

783
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: one person's effort might change. It doesn't mean that they

784
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: love you less. It means that they may not have

785
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: the capacity at this time. And I think that a

786
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: lot of us we are in a space where we

787
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: want to throw someone away when they stop having the capacity, right,

788
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: like everybody, I think it's doing the very best that

789
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: we can to try to hold it together. So they

790
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: may not have the same capacity they did at one

791
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: point in their lives. And so at the end, when

792
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: we see Molly and Nisa talking for her birthday, we

793
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: do see Kelly pop into the firm. Is clearly there

794
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: now Molly like, girl, don't worry about it. I can

795
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: take care of and you go enjoy your birthday kind

796
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: of thing, right, you know? So she is at the firm,

797
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: And can I just say I love friends putting friends

798
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: on right, because I feel like we could get real

799
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: caught up in this idea of the singular negue ro

800
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: in the White Spain, that we won't tell a friend

801
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: a secret or something that will help them. And I

802
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: feel like we like to talk a little bit too

803
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: vague about monetary things, and I wish that we were

804
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: a lot less vague, because the only person that it

805
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: serves for us to not give numbers is the office

806
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: that's trying to hire somebody and low ball the hell

807
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: out of indeed. Indeed, I mean yeah, and even though

808
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: this is a black firm, right, it's still like her

809
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: giving her girl, like putting her on, like she was

810
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: the one that sounds like who initiated the conversation, Like, hey,

811
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: I got this friend who does this thing really well?

812
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: What if we created in the states division and we

813
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: see now Kelly is there. I love to see it. Yeah, yeah,

814
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: And again I think a tribute to what Issa has

815
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: done in her real life, right is like put so

816
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: many people on which we love more. From my conversation

817
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: with Dr Oriole after the break, so Molly and Issa

818
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: rep up the birthday conversation. So we see Issa now

819
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: is in a workspace, right, so clearly she has gotten

820
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: her own space for the blog, which which is lovely,

821
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: which feels very much like that old like the flashback

822
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: when we saw you know, her life with Nathan or Lawrence.

823
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: It feels like the workspace that we saw featured and

824
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: at least in some of those ways, right, like these

825
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: big windows and white walls and you know that kind

826
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: of thing. So I felt like, oh wow, like she

827
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: really did get a piece of what she was envisioning

828
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: for her life. She was, you know, like, let me

829
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: get you a tour or at least what is going

830
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: to be in the space. So Lawrence just walks into

831
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: the space and I'm guessing maybe they had plans. It didn't.

832
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: It didn't seem like she right, Like, it didn't seem

833
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: like he was just walking in like, oh, let me

834
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: go check out East's new space. Like it definitely seems

835
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: like she was waiting for him, but it wasn't sure

836
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 1: like why he was there, right, you know. So again

837
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: we don't see everything, but you know, clearly she has

838
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: invited Lawrence to check out the new space or whatever.

839
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: She gives him a little bit of a tour or

840
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: an idea of what she wants the space to look like,

841
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: and they, you know, do some of this reflecting around,

842
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: like look how far you've come. You went from we

843
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: got y'all. So I got line right. I'm not saying

844
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: I do. I do be loving their brand of corny.

845
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: It's cute. It is it is Bury them, it is

846
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: bury them. Yeah. So you know, we see I think

847
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: for the first time, this is an indication of like

848
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: E's a feeling very confident in like the decision she's made,

849
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: at least in her professional career. Right, So she says,

850
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: I realized that no one was doubting me except for me.

851
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: So she has gotten to a place where she feels like,

852
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: you know what, I have made the choices I feel

853
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: like I wanted to make in my career and it

854
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: is serving me well. And I'm open to seeing if

855
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: this continues to feel like a good fit for me.

856
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: And so she's talking about her career, I think, but

857
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: clearly we see that this is also an opening or

858
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: an analogy for the relationship between her and Lawrence. And

859
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: so you know, we see her ended by saying, I'm

860
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: open to finding out and I like that, like, I'm

861
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: okay with finding out. I was not necessarily for this

862
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: relationship and I probably have still not, but that's not

863
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: my relationship. That's her relationship, so though it maybe it's

864
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: still hers, it's not mine. So I'm just like, I

865
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: like that, you know, It's like, I'm gonna do what

866
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: I can and I'm open to seeing whether or not

867
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: we can create something with each other that feels sustainable

868
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: and like we can be in it. And I also

869
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: like that she talked about the fact that, you know,

870
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: sometimes you get worried about looking stupid, about wasting your time,

871
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 1: and then you realize that, yeah, it is you. It's

872
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: it's you in your way, and that if you get

873
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: out your way, then you know you have a clear

874
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: vision of where you're going. I think for me, I'm

875
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: just like, you know, the NF Kelly's birthday, that's the

876
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: last time we see mirror bits and it ended with

877
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: a middle finger. But it also seems to have at

878
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: the very least sparked her to really reflect on her

879
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: life and what she said that she wanted s see

880
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: all the ways that she has been getting it to

881
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: know that, Okay, I've been putting off this thing with Lawrence,

882
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: and I'm ready to explore that thing. Yeah, it definitely

883
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: seems like there's been a lot of thinking, right, a

884
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: lot of like Okay, you know, my professional life is

885
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: kind of together and where I wanted and let me

886
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: explore what this personal thing feels like. Right, Like, I've

887
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: done a lot of thinking about whether this is something

888
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: that could work for me. I mean, clearly they've been

889
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: in conversation because he shows up at the office, you know,

890
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: so it seems like they both are in the space

891
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: of actually being open to exploring one more time whether

892
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: this is actually going to work right, And so then

893
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: we do see a time marker. So they now give

894
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: us a time marker that says one year later, and

895
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: we are at our first time marker. I feel like

896
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: all season, all season, y'all, I gave us no time markers.

897
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: But now y'all want us to know it's been a

898
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: year later. So we see that we are at Molly's wedding.

899
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so shout out to send me our producer,

900
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: so you know, we have a production team group chat

901
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: and send me throughout this like hail Mary theory last week, like, oh,

902
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see Molly and Torrian's wedding, And

903
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know if I see that happening,

904
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: because I didn't think we were gonna like fast forward

905
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: as much as we did. But shout out to Syndy

906
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: because she was right. So I'm guessing happen is that

907
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: Molly got engaged for that birthday where we saw her

908
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: last how where she was like Torrian left early and

909
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: all right, and I feel like Easta kind of knew,

910
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: but she didn't give us anything. So yes, I'm thinking

911
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: Molly got engaged. And so a year later, now we

912
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: see that she is at her wedding looking gorgeous. Shout

913
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: out to Shiona, I think is the costume designer who

914
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: has kept everybody looking so incredible all season, but her

915
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: wedding dress was gorgeous. Were you surprised that we saw

916
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: Molly and Torrian getting married? No, you were? It was

917
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: not okay. There was something about the way that it

918
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: had already been moving forward that I was just like,

919
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: what excuse me? Growth like that letting go and the

920
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: vulnerable conversation that they'd had when they was both high

921
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: about like you know, people get tired of me, and

922
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: how he's just like, but I'm not going to get

923
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: tired of you, and just all of that stuff together.

924
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: I was just like, Okay, this is it. This is it.

925
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: So I was very excited to see that for Molly,

926
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: and I will also say at the same time, I

927
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: didn't need Tom. I would have been perfectly happy with

928
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: the picture in the background of something else. Let's say

929
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: that this thing has happened. But I also like that

930
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: we were able to sort of see it and see

931
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: what else had come to fruition, like Tiffany was pregnant, yes,

932
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: or at least looking like she very do soon. But

933
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't restrict your travel at a certain point.

934
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: So right, it could have been twins. I mean, who

935
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: knows that boy? Right? Who even knows? And Lawrence was

936
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: still there. So Lawrence was not there. Initially we didn't

937
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: see him, and I'm like, oh, okay, are they not

938
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: together anymore? But then we see he had just going

939
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: to get her a drink, so they played us a

940
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: little bit. So Lawrence and Lisa are clearly still together.

941
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: And we saw, you know, the tribute tables to her mom,

942
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: which again I felt very touched by because it feels

943
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: like so much of the season or the whole show

944
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: really was about her mom wanting to see her walk

945
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: down the aisle and know I'm gonna be too old

946
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: for grandkids and that kind of thing until we see

947
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: Mom has not made it there. So I thought that

948
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: that was a beautiful touch that we saw the tribute

949
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: table there. I agree with you, right, So I loved

950
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: Molly and Torreon together. I just didn't think that we

951
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: were going to get a wedding out of the finale, right,

952
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: But I did see like a honeymoon and a touch

953
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: of honeymoon. But I also think that her wedding set

954
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: up the perfect kind of backdrop for this converse station

955
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: between Issa and Molly. Right, So we see these wedding

956
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: gowns are not like a one person story, right, Like,

957
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: so you know you need multiple people to try to

958
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: help you get into a wedding gown. So I love

959
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: the reality of your girl helping you get out of

960
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: this gown because you cannot do it by yourself. And

961
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: so it feels like it was the perfect backdrop for

962
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: them to have this beautiful conversation just about how their

963
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,479
Speaker 1: friendship has now progressed across these several years from last

964
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: season where we started to be really rockey to this

965
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: season where they have had some very real life stuff

966
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: and been there for one another. And so I think

967
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: the moment of her saying like, after she helps her

968
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: out of the dress and they have this beautiful moment together,

969
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: Molly says like, I don't know what all life holes,

970
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: but I know I'm gonna be okay as long as

971
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: you're here. And then Issa, as she's leaving, says, I'm

972
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: gonna step out and met Tori and take it from here, right,

973
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: And so I think that is I know, because it

974
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: is very much like help you get out of the

975
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: rest of these clothes, but also like you're giving your

976
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: best friend away in a lot of ways, right, So

977
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: you know, to your earlier comments around, even though it's

978
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: joyous to get partnered and get married and you know

979
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: the new life you're starting with your partner, there is

980
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: this sadness around, like your life with your girls is

981
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: not gonna be the same, right, And so even if

982
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: you still are very intentional about creating time together, it's

983
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: just not the same. And so I think hearing her

984
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: say I'm gonna pass it over the Toria now was

985
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: a reflection of that, like, Okay, I'm gonna step out

986
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,479
Speaker 1: because I'm not necessarily like in this same role anymore. Yeah,

987
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: it made me think about like that piece again around

988
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: change and the gains and the losses, and you know,

989
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm reflecting on my own and how that's basically what

990
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: my maid of honor and my matjor and honor said,

991
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: like they were giving me over to my partner, and

992
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: and just the sadness that's what it came with that,

993
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: like oh ship, Yeah, like things are gonna change, and

994
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: at the very least they still take time before you

995
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: settle in and you're able to find a rhythm where

996
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: you're able to work all the things together. So it's

997
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, there's a sadness and a joyousness and

998
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: I love that piece and are like, thank you for

999
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: loving me while I was me. Yes, there's something to

1000
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: be said about loving someone when they are allowed to

1001
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: be themselves instead of the version that you create or

1002
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: the way that you might shame them for not being

1003
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: who you want them to be. And I love that

1004
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: we got to see that part because I feel like

1005
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: some people are most themselves when they are with their

1006
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: friends in a way that they cannot be most themselves

1007
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: when they are with their family. Like the people that

1008
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: have watched you since you a child have put all

1009
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: these hopes and dreams and desires onto your life a

1010
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: lot of times and as a result, unable to see

1011
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: you fully and who you are unless you have become

1012
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: the thing that they wanted you to be. And I'm

1013
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: looking like to know that you have been loved on

1014
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: being yourself. That's a beautiful joy. And of course, you

1015
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: know the cast and crew were live tweeting, and so

1016
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: it sounds like one of the takes was Molly and

1017
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: Issa and Princess who is the showrunner, told Molly or

1018
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: Yvonne playing Molly, think her assa ray right, like for

1019
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: how she has changed your life, right? And so what

1020
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: we see and this was the last shot that vonn

1021
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: ands a shot together. So this was really them like

1022
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: saying goodbye to these characters, which made I think that

1023
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: scene just come to life in a very real way

1024
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: because it was very real. Yeah. Yeah, so this is

1025
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: again where the water works have, Like I feel like

1026
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: I had been crying ever since her mom pass and

1027
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: that didn't really stop and definitely kicked up again here.

1028
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: And so we see, you know, that wedding scene wrap up,

1029
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: and we see Issa. Do we see her in her

1030
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: office or just driving away office with this gorgeous yes, yes,

1031
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: And we see her on this beautiful ride down history

1032
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: of all of these places that have been meaningful to her. Right,

1033
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: So we see her stop at that we got, y'all.

1034
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: We see her drive by the best Buy that Lawrence

1035
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: used to work in, and somebody is in in the

1036
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: parking lot with the blue best Buy shirt on. Yes,

1037
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: we see her. Where else did she go? We saw

1038
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: her go by her old apartment, the old apartment, and

1039
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: we see thug Yoda outside playing with his baby. Yeah.

1040
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: So you know, so she is taking us on this

1041
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: beautiful ride through all of the scenery that has been

1042
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: the back drop of her real life, I think, and

1043
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: also like the back drop of Insecure. And so it

1044
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: felt nice to kind of like touch back on those

1045
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: places and like to have this reflection of all of

1046
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: these things that have been meaningful and how these thing

1047
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: have shaped what my life looks like now. And so

1048
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: in this there, Yeah, it was. It was gorgeous because

1049
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we've been wanting to forget the past,

1050
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, don't forget the past. You bring

1051
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: it forward with you. All of those things help to

1052
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: make you who you are in the present moment, so

1053
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: you can look back on it, you can remember things

1054
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: don't live in the past. You don't want to live there,

1055
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: but you want to be able to at the very

1056
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: po least be like, yeah, I was there, I didn't

1057
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah. So we see the final scene she

1058
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: walks into this gorgeous apartments, which is reminiscent of the

1059
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: dream sequence, but it's not quite the dream that we

1060
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: saw with the big white walls that we were like, oh,

1061
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: we love that apartment or that townhouse, whatever it is.

1062
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: And we see I saw a picture when she walks

1063
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: in of her and Lawrence, so we see her, you know,

1064
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of fuzzy, and we come into clear view

1065
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: and it is Lawrence and Elijah in the kitchen making

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00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: a birthday cake for what is now her next birthday.

1067
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: M hum, just like wow, we got birthdays on birthdays

1068
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: on birthdays, and I was just very happy to see

1069
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: that red because I was just like, excuse me, sister off.

1070
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: But like the only thing that I probably wish that

1071
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: we would have seen or known something is you know,

1072
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: like Condola is Jaws mom and being able to see

1073
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: that they are working to all together at the functional unit.

1074
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: So I feel like it's implied but not say it,

1075
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: But that's cool. Yeah, A lot was implied, right this time,

1076
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: I travel can only give us so much at these

1077
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: birthday parties, and so you know, it was very subtle.

1078
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: But I've watched the finale three times now, right, and

1079
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: and they have also, you know, paying attention to what

1080
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: people say it online, and so it was very subtle.

1081
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: But you also now see that Issa has an engagement

1082
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: ring on. And so we see her in a conversation

1083
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: with Molly, who is still on her honeymoon, and she

1084
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: makes a comment like is this what I have to

1085
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: look forward to? And you can see her in the

1086
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: mirror putting on her lip blaws, and you can see

1087
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: that she has an engagement ring on. So clearly her

1088
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: and Lawrence are now engaged, but we have not seen again,

1089
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: we haven't seen the engagement. And in some ways it

1090
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: feels like, oh, like it feels like, oh this this

1091
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: whole show has been about, like whether they were going

1092
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: to get back together or not, and then we don't

1093
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: see the engagement. But I also think back to our

1094
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: earlier points around how that is great, but it doesn't

1095
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: have to be the forefront of the story, right, you know,

1096
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: So making Molly and Issa in the friendships more a

1097
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: part of this finale as opposed to like just everybody

1098
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: getting engaged and married. I think was a choice, and

1099
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: I think, you know, was good because I do feel

1100
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: like it's reminiscent of what they wanted us to get

1101
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: out of what the message of this show was. I mean, like, yes,

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00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: we see Lawrence, but the end is Molly and used

1103
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: to talking to each other, and I said, and broken

1104
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: pussy right properly. I love that they went back to

1105
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: that because that was clearly like one of the highlights

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00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: of season one. I love that they brought that back.

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00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: But to your earlier points too, you know, so we

1108
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: know that typically when we see Issa in a mirror,

1109
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: mirror bitch pops up right, and she didn't, and so

1110
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: there was not that you know, need to kinda do

1111
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: that talking to herself though of course you know we

1112
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: all have still like our running tally of of self talk,

1113
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: but we don't see that as clearly as we have before,

1114
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: and you know, your indication around like it feels like

1115
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: there's some clarity there now, some confidence, some shortness that

1116
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: we see because mirror is not there, that she is

1117
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: able to integrate that more into herself as opposed to

1118
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: needing to talk to herself in the mirror, like that

1119
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: anymore growth growth, Telly mean growth? Correct? Yeah? So beautiful?

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00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: So you know, like you, I was also like, I

1121
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: don't know if we need to see them back together,

1122
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: but you cannot deny that they have like incredible chemistry, right,

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00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: and so you know, like you said, it's not our relationship, right,

1124
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: and so even though it may not be the decision

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00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: we would make or whatever, it is clearly what they

1126
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: chose for themselves. And really, in the end, that's all

1127
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: that matters is that they have made decisions that they

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00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: feel like are the best for them. I can't ask

1129
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: for nothing more than that, right, No, you get to try,

1130
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: You get to try and figure it out and see

1131
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,959
Speaker 1: if it works. That's all we can ever want for anybody. Yeah,

1132
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: I mean, like, overall, this was a pretty satisfying ending.

1133
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: I was not disappointed. I definitely felt rushed, maybe, and

1134
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure how I was feeling about that, because

1135
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: it felt like everything was moving to such like this

1136
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: fast forward pace. But I think that some of that

1137
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: may also have been my own reluctance to see the

1138
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: show end. Yes, so you know, placing some of that

1139
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: where it belongs on me not them, and just being

1140
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: able to accept what is like insecure is done. And

1141
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,959
Speaker 1: I think that they did a pretty damn good job

1142
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: closing out. I do too. Yeah, I feel like I

1143
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: was expecting more loose ends and there really were none, right,

1144
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: because usually you don't see things wrapped up as nicely,

1145
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: And that's what we had kind of been predicting, right,

1146
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: is that this will mirror real life and that we

1147
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: won't know what happens to everybody. Even though we don't

1148
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: know the full story, we know a lot of like

1149
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: what is going on with their lives, right, And so

1150
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: I think that that was an interesting choice that they

1151
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: need to wrap up so many other stories because I

1152
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: did not expect that at all, Like I thought we

1153
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: would have been left with far more loose ends than

1154
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: we were. But I appreciate it. I I appreciate that

1155
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: it feels like we got usense a closure and there

1156
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: isn't a lot of like guessing about what would have

1157
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: happened if Yeah, I'm like, we get that. And at

1158
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: the same time, though that and life goes on because

1159
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: we didn't even get to finish the conversation that was

1160
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: on Molly. It was just over their lives are done

1161
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: right right, I also saying, you know, Issa is probably

1162
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: as much as she loves Insecure, and like this has

1163
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: clearly been groundbreaking for her. I think she's ready to

1164
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: move on right, Like that is why you know she

1165
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: made the decision to wrap it up at five seasons.

1166
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: You know, like there's just so much more that she

1167
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: wants to do, and so I think this ending also

1168
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: closes the door for fans to be like, well, you know,

1169
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: can we get a reunion episode in five years? And

1170
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: though there may still be the longing for that, I

1171
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: do feel like the closure has happened with these characters

1172
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: enough to where she can also move on into her

1173
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 1: other creative pursuits and really put a bowl on insecure. Word,

1174
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking like, you can't ask for five year nothing.

1175
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: You got three years of information. Great, she gave you

1176
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: all kinds of flares forwards besides that first before. But

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01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: this is the point that I feel like it comes

1178
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: back to that piece around when you say you're finished,

1179
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: you're done, and that's okay, and then you get to

1180
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: pivot from there. And it was nice to know that

1181
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: sa Ray not just show, not just East Deep, but

1182
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, I am done with this thing,

1183
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: and I am ready to move into these other things

1184
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: that I'm also wanting to do. And I realized that

1185
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: in order to do those things in the way that

1186
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: I want to and to honor them, I have to

1187
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: let this go. I have to make room in my

1188
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: life for the next phase. Yeah, and I think that

1189
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: too many times we get caught up and trying to

1190
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: keep all the things. But some things we could let go.

1191
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: We can let go, and we can wrap them up nicely.

1192
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: And you know, and again, a lot of the commentary

1193
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: online has been around how a lot of our shows

1194
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: don't get this right, a lot of it right. Myself included,

1195
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: I'm still salty you about the fact that we didn't

1196
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: get like a girlfriend's resolution right, you know, like I

1197
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: am still waiting and hoping somebody will green light Mara

1198
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: brocka Kiel four a girlfriend's movie, so that we can

1199
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: get the proper goodbyes to girlfriends. And so I think

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01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: it is it's really beautiful that they got five seasons.

1201
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sure HB would have given them

1202
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: as much as they wanted because the show is doing well, right,

1203
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: and so they didn't have to end of their five

1204
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: But they the decision like this is where we feel

1205
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: like we'll be a good place to end, and so

1206
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap it up here, and a lot of

1207
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: shows aren't affording that, and so I just think it's

1208
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: cool that they even got that opportunity. It's nice that

1209
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: this got to end, and it got to end on

1210
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: their own terms as opposed to on someone else's times. Yeah,

1211
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: so this was very much on their own terms, which

1212
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: it feels like the whole project had been, so kudos

1213
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: to them, and you know, just so much love to

1214
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: Issa in the entire team for giving so many again,

1215
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: so many people opportunities and there's just so much content

1216
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: and so you know, even these episodes of the podcast

1217
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: right like would not be happening without the wonder that

1218
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: is Insecure, And so you know, I just am so

1219
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: grateful and like humble that Issa has been giving of

1220
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: herself and like creating this thing that I think has

1221
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: just given permission for other people to share their stories, right,

1222
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: And so like I want people who are listening to

1223
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: like not be sitting on these ideas, you know, because

1224
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: the other thing that I think is so beautiful about

1225
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: Insecure is that it was just so super regular like

1226
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: these were not kings and queens we were watching or

1227
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: supermoguls or you know, celebrities or you know, like they

1228
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: were just like regularly. It's what us, right, which is

1229
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: what I think made the show so successful, is that

1230
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: we were able to see ourselves or our friends or

1231
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: our family in these characters. And so you know that,

1232
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: I think it's just permission for other people to just

1233
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: stop sitting on your ideas and share these stories. You know,

1234
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: from YouTube to hear you just never know what can happen,

1235
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: and so I think that it is just an invitation

1236
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: for people to share their gifts and their stories with

1237
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: the world. Absolutely, And I just like, please don't sit

1238
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: on it the thing that you've been I look like

1239
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: we're ready, we were ready. We're trying to be like

1240
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: episode the b is coming, the book is coming. Shut out.

1241
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm just like I feel like I should be wait

1242
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: in way in, and I feel like, you know, these

1243
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: things are there coming, and don't sit on it. Like, yes,

1244
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: we can worry about failing and people not coming to

1245
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: the thing that we you know, we have or whatever

1246
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: that looks like, yes, be concerned around that, but don't

1247
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: let us stop you, right, And don't let us stop

1248
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: you from telling people to like, we're gonna be three

1249
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: us in there. I'm like, if it's gonna be three,

1250
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: that would be the best small ass workshop you ever

1251
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: put on. Exactly. I'm like like, don't tell yourself no,

1252
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: let other things tell you know, and then figure out

1253
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: work out how to get the yes. Exactly what's in reason?

1254
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: What's the pivot gonna be? Yeah, exactly, you start. You

1255
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: gotta start. You gotta start before you can pivot, because

1256
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: there can be no pivoty if you don't put anything

1257
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: out there. Amen. I remember my first goal planner workshop.

1258
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: Nobody signed up. It was complete crickets, nobody showed up,

1259
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: no one came. I was just like, well, you know,

1260
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: I got all these magazines like all this stuff, and

1261
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: nobody's here. But I could have just stopped there, but

1262
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: I it. Yeah, I love goal planning, so I just

1263
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: had to go plan my goal plan and rethink the vision. Right.

1264
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: I love it, Like, we can't be afraid to fail.

1265
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: Fill up rail now and fail up later, and you'll

1266
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: just keep getting better until you stop failing. I think, right,

1267
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: you gotta but you gotta start again. It all, it

1268
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: all comes back to you. Just starting somewhere. Yeah, well,

1269
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you spending your weeks with me recapping.

1270
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: I feel like this has been so much fun. I

1271
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: am saying that we will not have this, but I

1272
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: feel like we will find something else. And again, you've

1273
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: been on the podcast to talk about other topics, so

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Speaker 1: TV shows. But I feel like there may be another

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Speaker 1: get back together to chat with. But I do appreciate

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Speaker 1: you giving up your time. Shout out to all of

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Speaker 1: y'all who are in our tweets and on Instagram, you know,

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Speaker 1: saying we can't wait to hear what Dr Joy and

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Speaker 1: not your Donna are gonna be talking about this week.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you all for listening and sharing your thoughts

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Speaker 1: and questions and the comments with us. And you will

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Speaker 1: definitely hear Dr Orio will on the podcast again because

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Speaker 1: you know we have great conversations that she has great insights.

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Speaker 1: So again, thank you, thank you for having me uncle.

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Speaker 1: We have to It's like the baby end of an era.

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Speaker 1: It has been so much fun to do these episodes

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Speaker 1: with Dr Orio. Be sure to visit the show notes

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Speaker 1: forty to find out more about her work, or to

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Speaker 1: grab a copy of her workbook, or to register for

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Speaker 1: the goal setting workshop she will be facilitating in January.

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Speaker 1: And don't forget to text who of your girls right

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Speaker 1: now and tell them to check out the episode. If

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Speaker 1: to check out our therapist directory at Therapy for Black

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Speaker 1: Girls dot com slash directory. And if you want to

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Speaker 1: continue digging into this topic or just be in community

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Speaker 1: with other sisters, come on over and join us in

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Speaker 1: the Sister Circle. It's our cozy on the internet design

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Speaker 1: just for black women. If you're free on New Year's Eve,

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Speaker 1: we'd love to have you join us for our self

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Speaker 1: Care Room, where we'll come together virtually to reflect on

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Speaker 1: the year, play some games, and celebrate with one another.

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Speaker 1: Girls dot com. Thank you all so much for joining

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Speaker 1: me again this week. I'm wishing you and your family

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Speaker 1: are very healthy and restorative new Year and look forward

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Speaker 1: to continuing this conversation with you all real soon. Take

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Speaker 1: good care, Happy New Year. Thank you for listening to

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Speaker 1: my Mom's podcast and hope we have a great and

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