WEBVTT - #508 - Andrew Callaghan 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:00.880 Yo, what's up, guys. 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:03.400 This is Andrew Callahan from Channel five News. Check me 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:05.800 out on the Bootleg keV podcast. 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:08.320 Bootleg cav Podcast. Man, we got a special guest in here. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.000 This guy just dropped a new movie, an amazing documentary. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.440 He's got one of my favorite YouTube channels. He's one 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.079 of my favorite journalists in the world. My guy Andrew 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:18.880 from Channel five has officially touchdown. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:20.520 Man, thank you for having me on bro. I really 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.759 appreciate it. I'm a big fans the coolest seeing you 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:24.439 grow your platform in the past couple of years. So 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.400 shout out to Bootleg keV. Shot out to Phoenix too. 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.360 Yes, sir, it's crazy because I think I want to 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:33.480 say I first kind of found you. It was probably 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.800 like twenty nineteen. It was when you were you interviewed 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:39.000 the Joker Guy in Florida. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.080 Yeah, it made my first videos, like in the winter 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.800 of twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen was like the beginning 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.040 of all gas no breaks. I think my first Joker 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:48.440 Gang interview was in the September of twenty nineteen and. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:49.280 Golden in Florida. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.159 Yeah, because I used to live in Tampa, right, So 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.800 I actually lived in Saint Pete. So I remember seeing 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:55.440 that guy go viral when I was living there, and 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.800 like it was funny to kind of like see the 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.400 Florida man. Yeah, we'll talk, no crazy. 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:02.480 So I went to Miami to find him, Like, I 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.360 went to Miami first, and I was like, yo, I 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:05.959 happened to be in Miami because I didn't want to 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:07.720 freak him out and be like I'm coming to find it, right, 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:09.600 So I went to Miami. I was like, Yo, what up, 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:11.880 Joker three zero five ross Chico alive, I'm in this 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:13.640 bitch And he was like, bro, I'm in Saint Pete. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.880 And I was like, what, How'd that happen? So I 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.080 drove through the Everglades in like the middle of the night. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:18.360 For sure. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:19.920 People don't know that's a wild. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.000 Drive alligator alley. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:21.280 Yes. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:22.760 So I get to say, Pete, I go to the 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.000 south side of town. I'm like, yo, I'm actually here too, 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:26.560 you know, it just happened to be here, And he 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.520 was like for real, met him at the liquor store, 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:29.679 busted the interview at. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.160 The South side of Saint Pete's serious yeah, serious area 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.000 for sure. Yeah no, So I mean, obviously you've been 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.120 leveling up for a long time. Man. I want to 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.800 talk about the movie real quick, because it was an 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.039 emotional watch. It was kind of crazy because we like, 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:44.560 you know, I think you did such a good job, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.000 and you do such a good job of like whatever 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:52.880 side of politics you might be on, like humanizing everybody. Yeah, 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.600 you know, whether it's protesters, whether it's people who are 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.520 coming over. I mean, you know, I'm i'd subscribe to 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.600 your Is it a Patreon, Yeah, yeah, because I know 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.800 there's Patreon and locals. Yeah, I subscribe to the pedophile 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.480 beaters on the locals, the guys who beat up those 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.920 guys don't play. They don't play. But no, So I like, 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:15.200 you know, I watched your entire episodes at the Border. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.079 But you're so good at like just providing context and 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.640 nuance to all these divisive issues. Yeah, which if you 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:29.280 just consume like surface level media, that doesn't happen. Yeah, 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.560 you know. And so with this Kelly guy, for people 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.919 who don't know you were filming this guy for over 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.840 four years. Without giving away too much of the movie, 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.239 you kind of dive into this guy named Kelly who 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:47.920 was a successful lawyer. Yeah, had a family, ended up 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:49.720 losing his house. Blames it on a guy. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.080 Yeah, he blames it on a lender named Bill Joyner. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.920 Yeah, and uh Bill and his whole entire like life 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:02.320 just spirals into this like weird like like Maga sphere. Yeah, 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.080 like the craziest of the crazy, like hanging out outside 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.840 of abortion clinics. That's how the movie's going hard, you know, 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.920 and then you know it kind of fo you end 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.000 up getting close with his kids, very close. Yeah, it's 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.480 pretty crazy, like for you, man, like, at what point 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.280 in time when you were filmed, because you also put 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.680 out the HBO documentary, but at what point in time 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:24.000 when you were kind of following Kelly, did you decide like, Okay, 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:25.760 there we gotta we actually got to put all this 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:27.880 together and do like a real movie and tell his story. 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.000 I mean, I think it's just like there was over 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.000 three hundred and fifty hours of footage. So the first 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:33.600 time that I met him was at the White Lives 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.520 Matter rally in Huntington Beach in twenty twenty one, and 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.840 the last shoot was with Uncle Pill at a skate 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.840 park in Oceanside, California, three and a half weeks ago. Right, 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.040 So we had a cumulative like three hundred and fifty 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.120 hours of total footage, and I just looked at it 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:47.800 all in total, and I was like, bro, we gotta 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:48.600 do something with this. 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.680 And so when when Kelly was at that like that 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:54.800 that was the America Festival that just happened in Phoenix. 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.680 It happens every like Christmas in Phoenix. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.280 But that was the one that just happened. No, no, no, no, 0:03:59.320 --> 0:03:59.640 that was. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.400 Filmed at the America Fest one year before. 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.120 Okay, okay, yeah was it? Because I wasn't sure how 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.200 soon how close it was, because I was like, I 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:06.320 thought that thing just happened. 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.520 No, no, no, it was twenty twenty three, I think. 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.080 Yeah, So that all those years, you end up wrapping 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.200 it up three three and a half weeks ago, and 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.520 you know, I know you had kind of articulated like 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.960 you wanted to kind of dive into the why. Yeah, 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.200 because we have seen so many people who we deem 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.360 to be like normal, be radicalized on both sides of 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.719 the aisle, definitely, and there's a why, yeah, you know, 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.040 and for you, like, what were some of the correlations 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.400 that you kind of realized were consistent. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.560 With well, like I noticed that even back in the day, 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.440 like the first I guess conspiracy adjacent rallies I go to, 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.880 like the flat Earth conference in Dallas, Like I would 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.080 post somebody like a flat Earth are talking about, you know, 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:46.320 Hitler having a secret city in an Antarctica and hiding 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.000 the flat Earth truth that type of thing, and the 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.320 comments will be like, Yo, this was my science teacher 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.200 he got fired for like you know, flashing students or. 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:53.880 Some shit like that. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.760 Yeah, or like this is my cousin, Like he got 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.040 laid off after he got hurt at work and he's 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.800 never been the same. And so I noticed this like 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.679 com in thread of people having a full blown collapse 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.600 of their core needs like security, significant unection, all collapsing, 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.600 and then they developed this like super negative worldview that's 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.840 very binary as far as like I'm good, I'm a 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.839 good person, and there's this like nebulous evil force that's 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.720 out there, like this dark cloud that's above every hard working, 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:20.960 red blooded American patriot. It is just trying to sap 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.520 all the life force out of us. And a political 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.040 movement comes around kind of picks up on that angst 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.440 and gives them a way to channel their personal situation 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.359 into a greater spiritual war in the country. 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.320 Yeah, it's pretty crazy too, because it really makes sense 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.320 if you because it gives you you know, it's so 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.719 easy to not have accountability. Yeah, And I think what 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.360 was dope about the movie is by you know, by 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:41.839 the end of the movie, it seems like this guy 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:43.960 ended up taking some accountability. 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.080 A little bit, Yeah, a little bit at a little 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:46.800 bit without spoiling the whole shit. Like a lot of 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.480 people watch the movie and they see the ending and 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.520 they're disappointed. But I'm like, dude, if you look at 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.760 the very beginning to the end of the movie, that's 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:54.800 a different guy for sure. He's probably not doing like 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.600 the TLC intervention ninety days later thing where they're like, 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.920 oh my god, I'm healed, but he's significantly less angry. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.400 He's let aside some personal resentments. But yeah, you're right, bro, 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.280 Like it's way easier to live in your own self 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:11.159 mythology and have a heroic narrative about your own life 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.080 as opposed to acknowledging like different shortcomings and saying, you 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.000 know what, I'm gonna do this better in the future 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:16.599 and keep pushing. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.560 And like the other thing too, is like, you know, 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:25.520 if there is like a thread of like validity to 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.840 an issue, and not even necessarily a threat because I 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.280 think with the immigration issue, obviously the border was out 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.640 of control. Yeah, you know, this is a question, This 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.159 is a fact. But it also gives a lot of 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:41.000 people who are in situations in their lives to point 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.440 the finger at somebody like I have the villain in 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.880 my story as to why I might not be doing better. 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.600 Is it because of immigrants? It is because of you 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.400 know xyz And this is on both sides, you know, 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.600 but it's like very very you know. To me, what 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.800 I've realized is a lot of these folks who are 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:03.080 like radicalize there, they're really radicalized because they need a villain, yeah, 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:04.960 and they need a purpose. Like look, it's kind of 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:06.560 like being a crip for a blood. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.280 And what's crazy about it is like when you look 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.080 at these conservative events, especially like in the magosphere, you 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.960 can have like a bitcoin libertarian who drinks ayahuasca and 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.960 smokes weed five times a day sitting next to somebody 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.600 who is a non psycho or a pro life evangelical 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.680 Christian who like actually believes that marijuana was created by 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.760 the devil to make white women have interracial children. 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.360 Yeah, it's the then diagram with people that go is insane. 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:32.600 And they're like, all we both fuck with Trump, it's 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.840 all good, Whereas on the other side, the liberal side, 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.560 you can't even have a group of five without them 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:37.920 tearing each other down for dumb shit. 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.800 Yeah, and like, you know, I'm an old school liberal, 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.280 like I voted for Bernie. I'm I'm you know, I 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.640 guess I would be. As you know, I'm pretty aligned 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.520 with Bernie Sanders on mostly everything. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:48.080 I same here. 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.280 I think he got fucked over. I mean I don't 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:51.040 think I know, and. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:52.440 We're paying for that now. 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.360 It's crazy. But but like you said, you know, it's 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.679 it's frustrating because I think over the last I would 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.560 say some COVID right, like you're really not allowed to 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.280 step out of line as a liberal on any issue whatsoever. 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.720 Like I'm super pro trans rights, super pro trans rights. 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:11.600 I think it's fucked up that Trump just spanned them 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.320 from the military. I also think it's like a serious 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.880 conversation to say, like, hey, when it comes to sports, 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.560 like that's a conversation like combat sports, Yeah, we should 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.800 have Like it doesn't make sense not to say that. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.480 It's like like maybe there's a trans fighting league. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.640 I don't know, that'd be the best league. 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.920 I'll be like, it's like if you just step out 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.600 a little bit, it's like you get fucking thrown. Like 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:37.200 I mean, dude, I remember during the pandemic. I mean 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.080 I was spooked, man. I was masked up the whole time. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.760 Uh for like the first four or five months. Okay, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.160 maybe even the first three months, but I was wearing 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.480 gloves and ship at the gas. But I remember, like 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:57.120 I remember Joe Rogan had this doctor name not not 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:01.240 not not the guy who looks like Kenny Rogers Andrew something, 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:04.720 but he was like one of the guys who he 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:08.240 was like like the most published cardiac cardiovascular doctor in 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.840 agg of all time. And they were just talking about 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.040 like you know, the vaccine and like all these alternative things, 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.360 and I remember just bringing up like not even like 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.280 knowing for sure, I just remember bringing some shit up 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.360 in front of my cousin and he was like, are 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:21.439 you fucking Magan now? 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:22.439 Bro? Oh shit? 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.400 And I was like what, of course not, what are 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.640 we talking about? And it was like this thing where 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.800 like you couldn't even like question what was going on 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.400 with like some of the like alternative like treatments that 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.560 were available for COVID or even just like the lab 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.440 leak theory, and it just I feel like COVID, like 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:45.959 we were already super divided from like twenty sixteen oneh 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.320 Q none was cracking, like all this crazy shit was happening. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.280 But I feel like between like COVID and you know, 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:57.440 the BLM, you know, George Floyd riots like it just 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.480 I feel like we all just got thrown into a blender. 0:09:59.679 --> 0:09:59.880 Yeah. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.920 I feel like also the social policing that COVID created, 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.440 especially in more liberal spaces, made it so conservatives became 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.600 the new counterculture. Like I remember before George Floyd popped 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.600 off in May, there was those two months where the 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.199 only thing that I was covering was freedom rallies. So 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.959 like I remember watching you go to Sturgis. Yeah, Sturgis 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.360 was sick. I went to a Sacramento capital they had. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.000 This is before the vaccine, so it was just called 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.200 a freedom rally. It was like an anti lockdown protest. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.760 And dude, like conservative reuniting is like we're going against 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.280 the government, like we're not gonna take it. And before 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.880 then the conservatives were like all about the government narrative. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:34.480 And it's funny because when you I mean, obviously I 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.520 don't hold you are, but it's like I feel like, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.679 prior to COVID, like liberals were supposed to be like yeah, anti. 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.160 Government, yeah, and now they're an anti war and they 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.120 were supporting the censorship of like everybody on social media. 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:47.840 And now you see what that did. It just pushed 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.400 everybody into tighter echo chambers. And now looks at Trump's 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:51.439 in office, and. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.040 Then it pushed everybody because, like you said, if the 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:58.959 counterculture to something that makes no sense is just the right. Yeah. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.440 And because I've noticed so many people who I know 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.400 who supported Bernie Sanders, I mean people who donate money 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.880 to Bernie Sanders vote for Trump. Yeah, Like there's like 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.680 this weird like who would have thought like that would 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.240 ever be a thing. But it's like, well if the 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.920 other if the option is you know, people kind of 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:17.880 pick their poison. Yeah, have you noticed that? 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.400 Like definitely, I mean, especially if you think about it now. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.280 It's crazy to me that Trump ran on this platform 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.719 of like eliminating the deep state bureaucracy, so like the 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.360 DNC and CNN and the media, but now he has 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.880 like a private army of tech oligarchs as his advisor. 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:32.080 So it's so crazy. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:33.880 But going back to a point that I wanted to 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.079 make too, A lot of people watch Dear Kelly and 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.000 they say, Yo, why don't you make a movie. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.640 About the liberal equivalent of Kelly? And I just want 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.079 to say that does exist. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.280 But I don't think that, like radical hardcore liberalism is 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.520 created by need collapse. I think it's actually created by 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.360 an oversaturation of court needs. Like people who have everything 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.920 that they need and they're doing so well, they feel bad, 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.120 especially if they participate in gentrification and they're pushing people 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.520 out of neighborhoods like Brooklyn. 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:01.840 Like I go back, white guilt is. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.439 It's just it's just paralyzing for them. 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.280 And so I think most like extreme libs that I've seen, 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.640 they come from more conservative families. They come from the suburbs, 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:12.480 they moved to this city. I grew up in this city, 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.520 so I didn't grow up around any like hard core liberals. 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:15.559 But there's a correlation. 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.719 The most gentrified neighborhoods in America is where you see 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:19.800 the most hardcore liberals. 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.280 Yeah, that's true. It's funny too, because you know, I 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.840 do a radio show. My co host is James Jefferson, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.840 who's a big TikTok personality, black guy. But he always 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.640 says he's like yo man. Like most of the time 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.200 there's like a someone like super pissed off or like 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.240 triggered by something in the news that isn't that big 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:39.760 of a deal. It's always like a white one. 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:41.920 Always, it's always a white lady. 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.320 During during COVID, during the protest movement, I came into group. 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.840 I came into contact with a group in Portland, Oregon 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.560 called the White Body Shields. And what they would do 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.200 is they would go and all in bulletproof armor to 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.040 black neighborhoods and they would approach older black women usually 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:57.560 and say, hey, do you need me to walk you 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.440 to the bus stop? Do you need me to walk 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.199 you to the girl store? Just in case a policeman 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:03.880 tries to kill you, I want to make sure that 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.080 I can be a physical barrier and take those bullets 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.720 for you. And people will be like, no, what the fuck, 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.240 get away from me. But they'd be like, you don't understand. 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.680 This is a divisive time and you're being hunted down 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:14.280 in the streets. 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.640 You know. It's funny too because I saw this video 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.400 and obviously it was on Twitter, but it was a 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:22.800 it was like, uh, you know, there's this this this 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.280 overall discussion about like voter ID, and it seems like 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.240 most of the people who are against voter ID are 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.160 like liberal white people and they go through the hood 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.200 and they ask people like, hey, do you got an ID? 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:38.040 And they're like yeah, what the fuck? Like they're like 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.719 are you sure? Are you sure? And it's because it's 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.000 like the argument is like, well, you know, there's certain 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.080 minority communities where it's almost impossible for them to have 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.680 an ID. And it's like it's like it's almost like 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.920 that Democratic lady who said something about the kids in 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.520 the Bronx like they've never seen a computer BeO. 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.040 Oh yeah, they don't even know what computers are. 0:13:56.120 --> 0:14:00.199 It's like, lady, these kids could there they have an iPhone. Yeah, 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.000 they're better at computers than we're seventeen. Yeah, like they 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:04.880 know how to fucking make They know cap cut better 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:05.520 than all of us. 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:07.800 The kids of today are crazy. Bro. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:09.760 I had a cousin, My little cousin. He wakes up 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.880 on Christmas morning before opening his own presence to watch 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.280 his favorite streamer unbox their gifts, and he's more stoked 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:17.800 about like what they're gonna get He's like in the 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:19.640 chat being like L gift, W gift. 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:21.160 So by the time his parents. 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.720 Are like Santa came, He's like, I don't give a 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.600 I got fuck your socks, mom. 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:27.760 Yeah, that sh it's funny. 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:29.600 So the point is the kids from the Bronx to 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.840 the Hamptons, they know about the phone and the computer. 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.240 They know computers. Yeah. No, it's interesting too, man, because 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.200 I think with the movie, like, you know, for me, 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.800 it was just like showing like how his daughter because 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.800 he has a lesbian daughter, right, Kelly has a lesbian daughter, 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.640 and just showing how like, by the way, his kid's badass. 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.200 His son is outside, Kyle's outside, Yeah, he's fucking fucking 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.640 you're talking about his party? Yeah, Like it was a 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:53.200 tight party. 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.200 But it was just dope to kind of see the 0:14:56.240 --> 0:15:00.680 perspective of like how how you know kids are affected 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:02.400 and the fact like his he showed up to a 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:06.200 protest with his dad, I thought was like the nicest thing. Yeah, 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.640 you know, like, hey dude, this is what he's into. 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:10.800 So I'm just gonna show up like I'm I don't know, 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:12.320 you know, like, yeah. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.280 That scene definitely was emotionally impactful for me because I'm like, Wow, 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.160 the links that he'll go to connect with his pops. 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.160 I think a lot of people can relate to that 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:19.600 for sure. 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:25.240 For sure, man Bill Joyner is suing you. Yeah, for 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:29.200 people like he's the boogeyman of this film allegedly, allegedly, 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.920 allegedly he's the And I'm like, to be fair, you 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.200 did not paint him as the boogeyman. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.600 That's what I think. And I try and tell him that, 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:36.560 I try to tell him. 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.840 You you kind of showed the world that hey, this 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.000 guy's this guy didn't really any doing wrong. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.840 Yeah. Well, the lawsuit was filed before the film even 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:45.280 came out. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.440 You're kind of hoping he's seen the movie maybe eases 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:49.000 up a little. 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:49.120 Well. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:50.720 I think that him and his lawyer, from what I 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.880 can see by the court filings, they think that we 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.680 are like, you know, big, that we're on Kelly's exact team, 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.120 and then we're corroborating his narrative about the home foreclosure, 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.280 right but in reality, which is not the case. 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:01.680 No. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:06.000 So the actual lawsuit says violation of the Federal Wiretap Act, 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.080 like he thought we were tapping his phone lines. It 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:12.040 says stalking, emotional distress, like we weren't stalking him or anything, right, 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:13.440 or I mean emotional distress. 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:14.320 I don't know, I don't think. 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.000 So yeah, no, no, no. So are you worried about 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:17.800 the lawsuit at all? 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:18.280 Of course? 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.320 Yeah, but I. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.840 Mean thankfully, like we filed an anti slap motion. It's 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.640 like something basically where if someone sues you for defamation 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.240 or whatever, you can do a slap An anti slap motion, 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.360 which is like slapp basically means like it's within my 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.160 rights as a documentary filmmaker to share someone's perspective even 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:35.080 if you disagree with it. 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.080 And you knew that this lawsuit was already kind of 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.120 in motion and still decided to release the movie. 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.920 Yeah, because the judge dismissed what's called oral argument. So 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:44.960 that's like when they expect both attorneys to show up 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:46.920 and make their case and is deliberating for like one 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:48.800 hundred and eighty day period or something, right, So what 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:50.640 that tells me is that the judge has kind of 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.600 made up her mind to the point that she didn't 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:53.600 even want to hear from my. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.640 Lawyer or Bill's lawyer. It makes sense, So. 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.120 I won't know if she's team Bill or Team Channel 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.000 five for like at least ninety day. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.480 Damn, dude, that's crazy. Yeah, well, good luck. Thanks. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:05.520 I mean it's gonna be fine. 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:09.320 Like I think, I think too, like I think this 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.360 movie like because I know you had opened the movie 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.480 kind of explaineding like hey, you know, because I thought 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:17.960 the HBO documentary was amazing, thank you, But it was 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.560 crazy to see like like even like then, like you 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.480 had to kind of like you know, you're playing by 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.399 the rules a bit when you're doing something with a 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.920 big partner like that, and so this was like straight 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:28.200 to straight to the. 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.040 Yeah, I mean I finished the movie, Dear Kelly, one 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.840 day before it came out, Like I did a final 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.040 color and sound pass and put the right songs on 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:37.440 like literally the day before it came out. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:38.240 So crazy. 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.800 In comparison, the HBO film was picture locked, so finished 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.040 without color and audio nine months before the release date. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.280 Damn, do you feel like this is kind of the 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.480 new way? Because I mean you're doing well, right. It 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:52.800 sold a lot, you know, I saw some I think, 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:54.560 you know, it broke some records. 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.879 I think we got one hundred thousand in sales in 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:58.080 the first weekend. 0:17:57.840 --> 0:17:58.439 Which is amazing. 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.600 Which is like a record since Connie twenty twelve for 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.600 a direct to streamer direct to consumer streaming video. 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.639 Do you feel like that because because at the end 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.280 of the day, you put so much work into like 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:10.119 some of some of these videos you do, which is 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.359 why I think it's important to support the Patreon. Yeah, thanks, 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.840 because you put a ton of work. Bro, Like this 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.080 is like real journalism, Like we like people will see 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.840 shit on the news, you're actually like going to wherever 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.720 it's happening and yeah and finding out what is going on. 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.840 In the field. And we really have no bosses. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.320 A lot of people they masquerade is being independent, you 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:30.520 know what I mean because you see him on the 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:32.639 street with the you know, but they did I'm with 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.000 Vice I journey right, but you know what I mean, 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.240 Like we're actually like not beholden to anybody, which is 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:38.040 why they don't like us. 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.000 Think, by the way, thank you for not like doing 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.840 like cringey weird shit like Vice used to do, Like 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.280 I did Heroin for thirty days straight. This is what happened. 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:46.880 You know what's crazy though, bro, is that Vice. 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.320 When I was a youngster, I'm twenty, well back in 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.240 the day, it was amazing so sick. So I always 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.600 say when people talk shit about Vice, I'm like, yes, 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:55.840 WECE makes some pretty ass shit nowadays. 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:57.840 However, it used to be the ship back when they 0:18:57.840 --> 0:18:59.000 would go to the Congo. 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.360 Dude General Button, remember that, or even the David Show 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.680 series Thumbs Up America. Like, without that series, I probably 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.080 wouldn't hitchhiked across the US, I probably wouldn't have made 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:07.440 a videos. 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:08.359 I probably wouldn't have been here. 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:09.159 That shit's crazy. 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.159 They made journalism cool again before Advice, I don't think 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.919 there was anybody actually pushing the envelope except for like 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.080 Louis Thorreau in the UK with BBC. But like, journalism 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:22.760 wasn't like badass until Vice. Do you care about like 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.919 being accepted? Like, you know, there's so many people who 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.520 a quote unquote journalists that are mainstream. Do you care 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.040 about their acceptance or like being seen as like a 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:31.600 peer of them? 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.119 No, No, I don't like journalists like that. Yeah, I 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.239 just don't think I don't want to be accepted by 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.159 journalism or you know, they already don't fuck with me, right, 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.639 they never fucked with me, right, They're never going to. 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:43.120 So even if I wanted to say. 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:44.800 Yeah, I would love to, you know, have a bunch 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.119 of friends at the Associated Press and sit down with 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:48.760 some MSNBC fund It's like, you. 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.120 Think they would fuck with me. No, but that's because 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:51.879 we're outsiders. 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.800 Trump's press secretary this morning, we just saw it before 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:58.400 you walked in, actually said that the White House press 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:03.000 credentials are o been to anyone who has a YouTube channel, 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:07.240 TikTok account, a Twitter account that has a following and 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:08.560 it does news based content. 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:09.560 Wow, I should apply. 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:11.600 No, they just posted the website today. 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:12.880 Oh shit, Yeah, we should apply. 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:14.480 So I think you should apply because I think you 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:15.840 could ask some questions in there. 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.960 Yeah, it's actually good questions. And I also feel like, 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:19.800 at the same time, though, that could be bad if 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:22.800 they reject people based upon like the pressure, if they 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.000 packed the room with just right wing influencers, right, if 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.080 it's just like fucking Charlie Kirk and you know, yeah, whoever, 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.320 they're just glazers, just glazers. 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.080 Jesus. It is crazy too, though, because it's almost like 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:38.159 the extreme left getting soaked wild has kind of like 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.960 commercialized so many of these guys on the right. Yeah, 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.480 to the point where it's like, you know, if you 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:49.600 think about like Charlie Kirk or or you know, like 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.280 my kids, Like my son's a mixed kid. He's fucking 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.119 eleven years old and he's seen the kids that dos tiktoks. 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.280 Yeah you know what I mean, Like it's it's it's 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:02.359 almost like do you feel like because of because you know, 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:06.080 I had this conversation with a friend of mine and 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:10.920 I was like, there's always like a pendulum like swinging right. 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:14.119 It was like, yo, there wasn't anything Trump could have 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.399 done in twenty twenty to win, Like they could have 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:18.439 ran a fucking they could have ran anybody against him 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:19.040 and he would have lost. 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:19.679 Oh totally. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.000 And I feel the same way about like I don't 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:27.080 think there was probably now again there's the Bernie card, 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:28.720 but they would never play that Bernie card because it 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.280 isn't you know, but or like someone in that same 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:35.199 vein that speaks to working class Americans Like honestly, but 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.119 I feel like this Trump thing, it was just like 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:42.640 a very predictable, like you could feel the pendulum swinging yeah, 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:44.240 like in real I was like, yo, like I just 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:44.760 don't see. 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:45.160 Yeah. 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:47.320 I think it's because so many young dudes like shifted 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:50.720 right because of these like progressive new standards, especially on 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.400 college campuses, with like this hardcore identity politics banging where 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.919 like that's more important than class, like those issues, like 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.280 it doesn't matter what your idea is if as long 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:02.399 as you are like a certain position on the privilege hierarchy, 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:02.960 you shouldn't be. 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:04.639 Able to say anything. And I get the point. 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:06.880 What they're trying to do is like give people who 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.080 are marginalized like a chance to speak. But what that 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:10.880 does to somebody who might feel like a young white 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:13.280 dude with a good idea is he's like, you know what, 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:16.639 I'm well intentioned, and I'm being basically exiled for speaking 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:18.280 my mind because of how I look. I'm going to 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.399 go to Turning Point, USA, where they're gonna give me 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.400 exactly exactly what I want, you know. And so unfortunately 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:26.520 a lot of the progressive new standards have alienated a 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:28.000 ton of young people, especially dudes. 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.240 Yeah, I've noticed that. It's like a lot of like 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:33.400 young dudes, man are just like, you know, they they 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.600 fucking they and Trump went to all their platforms. 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:37.800 Yeah, definitely, you know. 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:39.520 And like to me, like if Kamala would have just 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:41.320 like that. The one thing about Kamala that I just 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:43.359 could not I just could not wrap my head around 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.080 is whoever was running her campaign they just refused to 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:49.400 put her in uncomfortable situations where she had to talk 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.360 off the script. Yeah, and it would be like, man, 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:53.119 if I could have just seen like this was a 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.360 human being for like an hour, like a human. Hey. 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:57.959 The one thing that she did that did have some 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:01.600 good impact is you know the front Horachi's and Phoenix. Yeah, 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:04.160 so Mahomie Renee is the chef there. She went three 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.399 days before election day to Phoenix and had like a 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:09.280 Sonora and Sarne. I remember some type of food like that. 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:11.600 Yeah. I just I just like I was just waiting 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:13.240 for her to, like, you know, when she did like 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:15.920 club Shaysha, I was like, oh, like even if she 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:19.280 would have did like you know, even the breakfast club thing, 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:20.479 like I wish you would did it a one on 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:22.840 one with Charlemagne and not like a you know. 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:24.440 Yeah, I don't know why they didn't do that. They're 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:25.400 just so tapped out. 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:27.840 But I'm like, I'm saying it's karmaic retribution for them, 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.600 kind of like kicking Bernie Sanders out the picture, because 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:32.320 Bernie would have talked to the youth. Bernie would have 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:34.760 gone on every he actually did. He went on Theovon, 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:36.679 he went on like Joe Rogan back in the day, 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.080 all these platforms where Trump was able to speak directly 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:40.640 to the youth and stuff, or not even just the youth, 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:43.159 but just like ages, you know, eighteen to forty. 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:45.280 And the other thing too, is like I think if 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.479 you're a Democrat and you're watching the last week of 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:51.560 Trump in office, however you feel about whatever he's doing, 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:59.520 it like shows you how ineffective our politicians are so bad, dude, Like, yo, 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:02.400 if this guy can come in and make a fucking 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:06.359 spectacle out of signing these executive orders, whether or not 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.040 they stick or not, like you know, the birthright ship, 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:11.320 like that's a Supreme Court issue. Yeah, but it's like 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:14.560 performative for his base. Yeah. Like, dude, if you're fucking 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:17.800 Joe Biden, on day one, you signed the executive order 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:20.720 for for you know, the George Foyd Police Act. You 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:22.879 sign an executive order to try to like you just 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:25.080 you just do some shit to make us feel a 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:25.760 little better. 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:26.640 Yeah, for sure. 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:31.120 It's like it's like everything is so hard with a Democrat. 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:33.439 But it's like this motherfucker's up here turning ship up 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:34.200 and bro. 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:36.320 Honestly, like, if you think about it, I see why 0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:40.000 people view Trump as like an underdog counterculture icon. For sure, 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.840 deployed every single thing they could in the media to 0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:44.639 take him down for years, and the law and the 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:47.400 and the law system, dude, the law system. Every late 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:51.000 night TV show became like a Trump mockery platform. Jimmy Cammel, 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:54.359 Stephen Colbert, they literally threw their entire integrity out the 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:56.520 window and became DNC mouthpieces. 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:59.560 I can't even for fucking years, I can't even watch it, dude. 0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:02.280 I I fully because I grew up a Democrat. My 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:05.800 parents are Democrat, my grandma's Democrat, and fucking I am 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:09.320 a fucking When I registered in California because I moved 0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:12.000 from Azy to Cali, Yeah, registered as an independent. I 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:14.840 don't want no side by both sides. 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.679 Bro, Like the crazy gas lighting is like if you 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:18.800 don't vote for Kammell or you're voting for Trump, It's like, 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:19.960 oh whatever, Bro. 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:21.879 This is what I told everybody because I was an 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:25.199 RFK guy during because I liked a lot of his 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:28.960 ideas about UH food and censorship, and you know, I 0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:34.560 hated his stance with the Israel stance, but I was like, yo, 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:36.679 when I'm talking, while I was talking to my friends, 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:38.320 I'm like, you know, they're like no, but it's a 0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:40.760 it's a wasted vote, And I'm like, dude, this is 0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:45.200 the brainwashing over hundreds of years that has been programmed 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:48.280 into us that will never allow us to have another alternative. Yeah, 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:53.439 because you know that there's a third party candidate that 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:57.000 is much better than either being offered. But because you're 0:25:57.200 --> 0:25:59.280 you think you're throwing it's your vote. 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.879 You owe your vote definitely, Like vote with your conscious. 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.120 That's like to me, like I knew, Like like I'm like, yo, 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:09.040 like if you feel any type of way about Palestine, 0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.359 like vote for Jill Stein and know you voted with 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:16.720 your heart and your conscious and neither side deserved your vote. 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:17.040 Dude. 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.320 Honestly, if Kamala Harris would have said, like I'm pro 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:21.720 Palestine or at least I supported two state solutions, she 0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:22.679 would have won the election. 0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:28.080 Fucking rolled Bill Clinton out in Michigan to chastise fucking 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.800 Muslim Americans to their fucking face. Yeah, it was the. 0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:34.720 Craziest shit, and a campaigned with Liz Cheney I'm like, 0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:37.639 it's exactly. 0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:38.679 Can you imagine being on the. 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:40.840 Fence and being like, oh shit, well Dick Cheney's wife 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.600 fucks with Kamala Harris. 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:44.919 And to me, that's where they just lost me due 0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:46.960 the last couple of years. And I'm just like, so 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.320 we're like, legit the War Party now. Yeah. 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:51.560 But honestly, dude, if you think about it, this in 0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:53.800 the long run, twenty twenty eight is going to be 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.119 a great year because we're gonna have fresh primaries on 0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:59.600 both sides. The Democratic Party is totally done. 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:01.040 They're never going to rematerialize. 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:05.000 You're gonna have new progression maybe new Conservative candidate, right, oh, 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:05.600 they're done. 0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:07.280 I don't know. I don't. I think that they're so 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:10.719 ignorant on the left. I mean, I don't know. 0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:12.200 At least we're going to get new people. 0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:12.640 I hope. 0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:13.840 So we are gonna get new people. 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.199 I hope that they find whoever that is. 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.040 We're gonna get new Conservatives and new progressives, Like twenty 0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:20.720 twenty eight is going to be that year. 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:22.919 I think it's gonna up being Jade Vance and Vivic. 0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:26.800 I think that'll be the Yeah, we need new dynasties 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:30.920 like Bro Biden was Obama's vice president. Does nobody think 0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:36.199 that's fucking weird? That's insane? Hillary Clinton is Bill Clinton's wife. 0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:37.639 It's just Donald Trump. 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:39.639 It was on the Apprentice, like all these fools are 0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.440 already entrench, Like when can we get a Bernie Sanders 0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:43.680 Vermont will rise again? 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:46.040 Oh? Man, Yeah, no, I don't even know who the 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.639 new Bernie is. Honestly, that has like actual power, you know, 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:50.560 Like I mean, I guess AOC, but she kind of 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:53.600 sold out a lot of her you know, a lot 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.320 of her free will. For I would say AOC was 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.119 the most disappointing the last couple of years because she 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:00.800 kind of like chowse up with a couple of times 0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:05.720 and I was like, who, anyway, you have done so 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:11.880 many crazy like you've literally been in the shits whatever. 0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:15.000 Uh you know issue that's arisen in pop culture, in 0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:20.920 the news, your front lines on is there a situation 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.000 in which you were the most scared for your safety? 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:28.040 That's the thing, bro, I don't think so it's weird, 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.320 Like I get scared when I watched the footage after 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.160 Like when I was at the stash house in Philadelphia 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:35.800 with the dudes who are manufacturing fucking insane. 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:39.040 That was also when I insane. 0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:40.720 In the moment. I'm not scared because I'm so like 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:42.200 focused on getting the video. 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:43.640 And like those guys were manufacturing trank. 0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:47.120 Trank which is a combination of xylazine which is horse tranquilizer, 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.200 and fentanyl. So basically it makes it so like trank 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.840 is really cheap and also makes a it's a tranquilizer, 0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:54.840 so you can have a bag of fentanyl that's like 0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.600 one quarter fent one quarter three quarters trank, and it's 0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.560 gonna hit basically the same, just have a little bit 0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:02.080 more of like tranquilizing effect so that you can make 0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.200 a bunch of money. And xylazine is maybe one hundred 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.640 times cheaper than fentanyl, and you can buy it legally 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:10.880 from Chinese manufacturers, like in powder form on WhatsApp. Anyway, 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:13.000 I don't want to give too much game. Don't manufacture 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.440 a trank if you're watching this. But anyways, I watched 0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:17.520 the footage back and I was like, bro, what the 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.200 fuck was I doing? You're hopping the border. I'm not 0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:22.200 scared in the moment, but then I'm looking back at 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.720 the footage and I think, damn, like I should have 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.440 been scared, you know. But it's moments like that where 0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:31.040 I need to realize that I am relatively fearless. But 0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.480 that doesn't mean that I shouldn't do dumb shit, right. 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.280 Ye know, that was a wild episode. It's funny because actually, 0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.600 you know that hit close to home recently, my son's 0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:41.000 mom passed away in Philadelphia from an overdose. 0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:42.040 Damn rest in peace man. 0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:45.320 Yeah yeah, yeah, but I mean it was fentanyl for sure. 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:49.680 But that trank shit, it hasn't hit LA yet. 0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:51.840 No, No, it's pretty crazy that it hasn't because it's 0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:54.880 hit Baltimore, has a HITD Atlanta, it's Baltimore, DC. 0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:55.520 In Boston. 0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:58.360 Yeah, it's like a people's like limbs get swollen up 0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:00.200 and yeah, so if you miss a van with the 0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.880 trank like this condition can happen called necrotizing fasciitis, which 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.360 is a flesh eating bacterial disease or something like that. 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:08.760 So it literally consumes your limbs and if you don't 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.440 treat it within the first four to five days, amputation 0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:13.120 is the only option, or it can spread to your 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.520 heart and you get sepsis and you really can't survive that. 0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:18.720 So there's this this this problem that many groups in 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.720 Philadelphia have the harm reduction communities where they're like, yo, 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.040 how do we get these people off the streets into 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:25.280 the hospital immediately? 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:26.960 And they're withdrawing from dope. 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:29.280 So like it's just really difficult because you don't have 0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:31.640 to you can't kidnap people. You have to ask them 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:32.520 to go to treatment. 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.280 Yeah, that Kensington area is so. 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:36.280 But it's tough because if you go to somebody whose 0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:37.880 arm is falling off and you say, like, bro, you 0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:39.440 have to go to the hospital, and they say no, 0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:40.560 they're they're adult. 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.680 Free human beings. Can't make somebody do something, right, Yeah. 0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:50.040 It's crazy you h You went into the Chaz area too, right, Yeah, 0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.040 so I'm from Capitol Hill, Seattle. I would say that 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:52.920 that's where you're from. 0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:55.360 Okay, So I grew up in Philly in Fair Mountain, 0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:56.480 North Philly. So I was ten. 0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:59.360 My dad was a big grunge fan and he worked 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.760 in the tech end streets. So we moved out to Yeah, 0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.680 we moved to Capitol Hill and that's like where Chaz was. 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.720 So that that like that corner Tenth and Pike call 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:09.400 Anderson Park. 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:11.080 I grew up like in that neighborhood. 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:11.600 That's your area. 0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.360 So I'm in I'm in Minneapolis right where the actual 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.880 riots popped off, like by Lake Street on the south side. 0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.280 And I get a call and someone says, Yo, the 0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:21.520 cops just ran out of the precinct. They abandoned the 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:23.840 precinct in Capitol Hill. You know, the cops just gave 0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:24.800 it to the protesters. 0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:27.200 I was like what. And so there was a four block. 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:30.120 Radius initially called the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone and then 0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:33.120 became Capitol Hill Organized Protest. And I was actually there 0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:36.240 basically the entire time, living in a tent. However, the 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:40.360 footage was never released. M why not, because bro, he's 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:43.240 embarrassing on some home, on some hometown ship. 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:43.480 It was. 0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.959 It was bad, okay. So there was three phases. Phase 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.560 one was like spirit of the Revolution, like Fidel Castro, 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:52.360 like the people will rise up. Phase two was like 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:53.040 burning man. 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.360 You have fools coming in on Greyhound buses from northern California, 0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.800 Eugene I called the Republic of Islam. That's southern Oregon, 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:04.440 northern California. Are still slapping Max Dre like they just 0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:07.320 found out about it. And so people are pulling up 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:09.720 like ooh, so folds are pulling up like you have 0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:13.240 drum circles. People are setting up stages, they're doing dubstep sets, 0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:13.920 you know what I mean. 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.000 And then the initials Viva a Revolution. Young crowd is like, 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:18.760 what the fuck fuck these books. 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.600 They start beefing it, and then so they start kind 0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:23.360 of canceling each other for different shit. 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:25.840 Meanwhile, people are living there like they have their apartment 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:26.240 right there. 0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:29.280 And then week three, the you know, the trappers, the 0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:31.720 hoods in Seattle, like in the South End and Tacoma, 0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:34.160 start figuring out that the cops aren't coming there, so 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.520 they have all their their their fiends go from downtown 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:40.200 in different areas to Capitol Hill. And then different gangs 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.280 start taking control of different parts of the park. 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.320 So it was Revolution week, what week? And then Gang week. 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.360 I'm there the whole time, my tank keeps getting stolen, 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.479 and then so that so literally you had, bro, I've 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.000 never seen something like this in Seattle by the basketball courts. 0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.120 Kids fifteen year old kids with shisties and guns fucking 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.960 bigger than their entire bodies. And this is a safe 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.600 urban park in a gateighborhood. So I'm like, bro, this 0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:03.480 is insane, and so what happened? 0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:03.880 I really. 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.280 Remember there was a fatal shooting on the fourth of July. 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:07.840 I was like, right next to it. I thought it 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.680 was fireworks because it was fourth July. Someone got killed 0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.440 right there. And this antiphametic chic, you know, like in 0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:15.760 full costume, comes running up and she goes, there's a 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:18.400 gang war happening at the park and I'm like, I 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:20.640 literally look at I go, what gangs are fighting? 0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:22.080 Just say the name of one of the gangs. Since 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:23.520 you're from Seattle, what are the gangs called? 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:24.560 And she's like, I don't know. 0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:27.840 And so the moment after the fatal shooting happened. The 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.120 next morning, all of the medics and all of the 0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:33.160 organizers and all the wooks and all the revolutionaries they 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:35.840 leave and the park just becomes like Hamsterdam and the 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:38.080 wire and then the cops at that point come in 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:38.760 and shut it down. 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:39.320 Wow. 0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:41.480 So I filmed the whole thing. I still have the footage. 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:42.640 I'm thinking about putting it out. 0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.640 Dude. Honestly, that's that's pretty sick. 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:47.600 Yeah, it was crazy, but I was like, you know, 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.360 it was just real, Like God, Seattle took the l 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:50.880 on that one. 0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:51.160 You know. 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.160 What's so crazy is I feel like on like like 0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:58.360 when we think about like I think people who are 0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:03.280 extreme left and Antifa and and all these people and 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.160 on the other side, the QA non folks. I feel 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:11.680 like everyone has pretty they feel like they're doing the 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:13.759 right thing, like they have everybody there, they have like 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:17.880 good intention in their heart right, and I feel like 0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:21.520 there just has to be like, you know, I don't 0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:25.000 know what it is. I think, you know, there just 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.239 has to be like there's if everyone feels like they're 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.840 doing the right thing right, Like you know, the the 0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:34.880 White Lives Matter rally that opens up your film. It 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:36.880 didn't feel like much of a rally, but you know, 0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:38.920 your boy was out there with his flags and then 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.160 they're not playing. They ended up fucking them up. Yeah, 0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:45.799 he ends up getting the rest. Do you feel like 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:50.640 there's like just the option for like uh, I guess 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:54.560 like positive discourse where people can just agree to disagree. 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:56.160 Do you just think that shit's out the window? Man? 0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:56.400 You know. 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:59.360 The thing is though, is like these groups, these vocal minorities, 0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:01.480 get a lot of his ability because they make noise. 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.040 But I think that a good like seventy percent of 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.000 the country is on the same page as you and I. 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:07.879 You know, they see the shit from Afar. They might 0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:10.240 react to a certain thing a certain way or slant, 0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:14.120 but most people are not Antifa or QAnon. The difference is, 0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.439 I feel like QAnon ideology has bled its way into 0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:21.319 the mainstream conservative right, whereas Antifa and these groups are 0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:25.560 still like a very marginalized left, and liberals reject their. 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:27.120 Ideas for sure. So I just think that like the 0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:28.040 actual left. 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.560 That Trump always talks about has no actual power over 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:31.200 the liberals. 0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:33.399 Liberals don't give a fuck about unions, you. 0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:36.960 Know, They're more concerned with like calling Trump supporters Nazis 0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:39.600 and white supremacists and throwing labels on people. So there 0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.360 is going to be a point where we can have discourse. 0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:44.520 But like I said, twenty twenty eight's that year. 0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:48.040 You know, there's just this, Like you said, it's on 0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:50.360 the left, dude, Because on the I feel like I 0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:53.600 have conversations with like my cousin, like this is another 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:55.359 thing I stopped talking about. I was a part of this, 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.280 like the left that stopped talking to people over Trump 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:00.000 in twenty sixteen. 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:00.839 That was a real thing. 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:04.720 My cousin James, who's like my closest cousin in my life, 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:07.520 voted for Trump was vocal about it on Facebook, and 0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:09.160 I just stopped talking to him for like two years. 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.319 You guys are good now, yeah, see America is healing. 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:13.959 No. But I felt terrible about it, and I realized, like, dude, 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:18.040 I was fucking tripping, bro. Yeah yeah, bro like I 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.080 was bro. I was one of the guys shaming people 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.840 for not getting I shamed this motherfucker for not getting vaccinated. 0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:24.440 Every fucking time we'd go, I'd be like, you're a 0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:30.200 fucking b That was me. And I just realized, like dog, like, 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:34.600 I'm I'm a part of the side that's the most judgmental, Yeah, 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.440 which is crazy because the other side's supposed to be Nazis. 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:37.799 Yeah. 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:40.080 I remember back in the day when COVID first popped 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:42.960 off in Seattle. You could be getting a you could 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:44.360 be having a picnic in a park. 0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:45.280 Just you and two people. 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:47.680 If you spread a blanket out and somebody took their 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:49.480 mask off for a second, you'd have somebody in the 0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:51.319 cut with an N ninety five on like this. They'd 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:53.479 take a picture of you, They'll put it online. Find 0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:55.920 you're at that, Like, what's this person's at? Super spreader, 0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:58.359 super spreader, complicit in the genocide of those who were 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.720 disabled and complicit in the genocide of the immune compromise, 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:05.160 and they would they would lose their job, they would 0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:05.880 lose everything. 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:09.279 I saw this shit happening in real time. Uh so sad, dude, 0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:11.359 bro I was. I remember when COVID popped off. 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:12.759 So I was in Seattle and I was like, I 0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:14.959 gotta go somewhere more, you know, more hippied out because 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:16.759 I'm like, I gotta see somebody. So I went down 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.160 to Eureka, California, and I stayed with my homegirl and 0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:21.960 she told me, she was like, listen, I don't care 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:24.319 about this COVID shit, or I do care about if 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:27.239 if if I see you in public with somebody and 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:29.000 they take a picture of you or they see you 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.360 with somebody else, I'm gonna get in trouble. 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:32.920 Okay, what do you mean trouble? She was like, I 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:33.719 could lose my job. 0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:35.560 It was the same thing that was I mean in Australia, 0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:38.280 it was crazy. Yeah, like people were like going to jail. 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.600 And that's my thing is like, you know, uh, I 0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:44.160 just feel like we get so I just feel like 0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:46.880 we stopped questioning shit for a while there where it 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:49.359 was like, hey, like, isn't a little weird that there's 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:52.320 a ticker on the screen on CNN with the death 0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:54.799 total going up like it's a fucking basketball game. 0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.160 Yeah, like what is like? 0:37:57.760 --> 0:37:59.879 And everybody like the fuck? And I'm over here buying 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.239 gloves and shit and fucking I got so much sanitizer 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:04.080 left over from COVID. 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:07.800 It's crazy abouteah garage. Yeah, I was. I mean I 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:09.399 I was sort of tweaked out too. 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:09.719 You know. 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:11.960 It was just a crazy time and I feel like 0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.440 we're still kind of living in the shadow of twenty twenty. 0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:17.279 For sure, And then now you look back and you're like, Okay, well, 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:19.040 you know, I know I dealt with this because I 0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:21.800 had two sons, who you know, my kid was fourteen 0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:26.160 and was like dealing with depression because he was just 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:30.560 stuck at home. And the people who lost their businesses, 0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:33.480 especially here in California. You know, there's like restaurants that 0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.719 were losing their businesses while there was like catering on 0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:40.279 movie sets. Yeah shit, And it was like like make 0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:41.440 it make sense, you know, like. 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.120 Yeah, and Walmart was open though you know what I 0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:45.239 mean exactly, dispensaries were open. 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:46.640 Yeah, I didn't know that. 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:50.200 Yeah, no dispensaries were open. They never closed down dispensaries here, 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.080 which was interesting. But yeah, I don't know, man, I 0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:54.719 just feel like, you know, like you said, man, like 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:58.440 this is what we get. We get Trump again. Yeah, definitely, 0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:01.400 like all that crazy shit, this is this. 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:03.799 Is what you get. We earned this shit, We earned it. 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:08.600 We fucking earned it. Man. Do you feel like there 0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:11.799 was a point in time for you where you know, 0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:15.480 you as a as a young journalist, like, was it 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:17.879 always kind of the idea to kind of tell both 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.480 sides because obviously, like you said, you're more of a 0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:22.520 burnie guy, so you yeah, but you know you have 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:25.120 like your your set of values. But to be able 0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:28.480 to kind of cover like people who you harshly disagree with, yeah, 0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:31.000 and show them give them like a fair shake. Was 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:31.960 that difficult for you? 0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:33.360 No, I've always been like that because you know, I 0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:35.200 grew up, like I said, in the city, always run 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.759 different kinds of people, exposed to different personalities. I also 0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:39.560 went to school in the Deep South in New Orleans, 0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:41.040 so it was like I got I got. 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:42.320 Exposed to a ton of Southern stuff. 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:43.960 So by the time I started my career, I was like, 0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:46.000 I want to show people on the West Coast what 0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:47.640 it's like in the South. I want to show people 0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:49.360 in the South what it's like where I'm from in Seattle. 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:51.960 So I already felt like I had two different upbringings, 0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:54.200 but as far as like the unbiased thing, like I'm 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:55.200 not unbiased. 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:57.440 No human being is unbiased. 0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:58.480 No, for sure, but you, I feel like you do 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:01.719 a really good job of of trying to like tell 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.520 both I tell tell the story as much down the 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:06.400 middle as you can, And definitely, I just feel like 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:08.920 that's something that that is very like, Yeah. 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:09.480 I definitely appreciate it. 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:11.040 I just wanted to make that point because there's so 0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:14.360 many journalists claiming to be unbiased, but I'm like everybody 0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:16.360 has biases based upon how they. 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.520 Grew on the planet, has a personal bias exactly. 0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:20.480 Like shit, I use the example the other day, like 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:22.959 whenever the George Floyd thing happened, like I had lost 0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:25.000 a couple friends growing up to police brutality, So as 0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:26.880 soon as that happened, I was sort of on board 0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:29.000 with like whatever had whatever had to happen. I saw 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:31.160 buildings going up in flames, and I was like, hell, yeah, 0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:33.000 me too. But if I grew up in you know, Iowa, 0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:34.799 and my dad was the police chief and a town 0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:37.120 of five hundred people, and he was rescuing cats from 0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:39.759 trees and helping people. You know, I might be like, 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:41.759 come on, man, that's just one bad egg, but I 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:43.520 didn't see it that way because of how I grew up. 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:45.239 You know, how are you? How's your what is your 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:50.480 perspective on those protesting riots? You know, what would it 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:52.520 be five years later? Now, like almost five years four 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.400 and a half years later. I feel like, you know, 0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:58.800 black Lives Matter as a statement is obviously a factual statement. 0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:00.920 I feel like that the and the intent of that 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:06.080 movement was was pure and had great intentions, but somehow 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:09.439 it got twisted and used against well. 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:11.560 I mean, if you look at every social movement that 0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:15.640 begins organically, there is people out there, grifters and profiteers 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:17.560 who will figure out a way to make an industry 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:19.960 out of it. And the same thing happens with every 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.759 social movement in America. It takes about two years, maybe 0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:25.799 three years, for you know, Black Lives Matter LLC to 0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.400 become a donation farm to where people were just like 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:30.320 embezzling in mansions. 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:31.960 That's what happens yeah, you know what I mean. 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:34.440 And so it's more like I feel like shame on 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:36.520 somebody for not realizing that, like why are you giving 0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:38.200 money to the Black Lives Matter? Two and a half 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:40.960 years later, I thought the protests were great. I think 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.840 that they began very straightforward and organic, like this is 0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:47.840 about police brutalizing black people in the streets, period, and 0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.120 then it took only about a month later it kind 0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:51.200 of became about everybody. 0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:53.160 You know, they added the black stripe to the Pride 0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:54.719 flag and you're seeing people out there and I'm like, 0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:57.400 wait a second, you know, shout out to all the 0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:59.800 LGBT people out there. But I thought this was about 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:03.319 police brutality against Black Americans, and so you just sort 0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.040 of see this forced intersectionality obscure the message, and before 0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:09.400 you know it, it's not what it was supposed to be. 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:09.840 It's not. 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:12.319 And that's just what happens because white guilt is so 0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:14.879 powerful that you have white people who have any type 0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:18.560 of disadvantage, whether it be gender, income level, but mostly 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.839 it's gender and orientation, and they say, you know what, 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:22.879 I don't want to be the scarecrow that people were 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:23.960 throwing eggs at right now. 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:24.879 I don't want to be the. 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.400 Bad part of the bad white out group during this 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:29.480 protest movement. Let me figure out how it can join 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:31.560 the side of the oppressor by giving myself something to 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:34.200 stand on. So they're almost chasing down oppression to almost 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.440 put on their back, as opposed to the actual purpose 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:38.759 of liberation, which is to get away from it. So 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:42.120 it's very sad you saw that, especially in Portland, where 0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:45.960 you know, you had groups actually obviously taking advantage. 0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:49.120 Of the neighborhood. They ruined Portland downtown. 0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:51.920 For Yeah, okay, that's one argument, But then if you 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:55.840 look at why did downtown Portland, Downtown SF, and downtown 0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:58.359 Seattle grow the way they did before COVID, it's because 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:01.040 all these tech companies were getting taxed, so they moved 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:02.120 their offices there. 0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:04.080 And then they left it. They they once COVID happened, 0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:07.160 everyone left and they figured out they start out resources out, 0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:07.880 They figured out. 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.080 They can make more money having people work on Zoom 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:12.400 from home, and they didn't have to pay HR, they 0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:14.560 didn't have to maintain these office buildings. So you have 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:17.239 office buildings like in San Francisco there are thirty six 0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:19.600 stories where only two of the floors are being used, 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:22.000 the rest are vacant, and landlords don't want to go 0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:24.160 down on price for these tech apartments they built for 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:25.879 the workers that are now living in Idaho or wherever 0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:27.920 they came where they came. So now you got homeless people, 0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:31.399 homeless people on the streets everywhere in Portland and everywhere else. 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:33.440 And then you have these fucking assholes coming out and 0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:36.680 being like, wow, look at the Democrat policy and it's like. 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:40.200 This is corporate elite fucking bullshit. 0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:42.239 Yeah, I think it's I think I think this. I 0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.600 think that's like a perfect example of both though it's 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.799 like it's a it's two things can be true at 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:51.080 the same time. It's like, yes, these tech cities where 0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:53.719 all of this massive income and all these people just 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:57.600 decided to just be like deuces. Yeah, that's that's one thing. 0:43:57.640 --> 0:43:59.239 And then the other side, like in the Bay you know, 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:03.520 it's like the Bay's crazy. I go to the Bay lot, 0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:05.920 you know, it's like, yeah, the basis great chances of 0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:09.960 you're getting bipped out there and or like just like 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.279 you can't like I mean we were we started going 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:14.360 a lot in like twenty twenty one. Yeah, because I 0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:16.479 was shooting a lot of content out there, and even 0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:18.680 like all the way up until maybe like late last year, 0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:20.439 it's like damn, like the Walgreens are gone. 0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:22.560 Yeah, it's the bipping is out of control. Bro. 0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:24.640 I was by Lake Merritt in the RV like a 0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:26.840 year and a half ago. I'm chilling by Lake Marriott. 0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:27.000 Bro. 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:29.600 It's a beautiful day, probably two pm, you know, Lake 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:31.840 Marrion downtown Oaklyan. So I'm chilling right there in the 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:33.560 RV and this valet guy comes up to me and 0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:35.160 he goes, don't don't park your car here. 0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:35.799 I go. Why. 0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:37.719 He goes, it's gonna get bipped. I go no, Like, 0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:39.520 I'm gonna stay in the car. It's gonna be fine. 0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:41.719 He's like, nah, don't even stay in the car. So 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:43.839 I'm chilling in the car. I swear to God, I 0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:45.680 opened the door to like, you know, just get some air. 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:48.080 Walk out for a second. A mini van pulls up 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:51.279 like a soccer mom van. Three kids in full shisties 0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:53.640 jump out of the car with bip tools and hands 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:57.160 like it like a ninja army and start throwing like 0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:00.840 bit like spark plugs on fucking wire and ring into 0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:02.719 the car like it was seriously like a like a. 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:07.560 Ninja wild Like my boy Samson, he was pumping gas 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:10.760 about to return his rental outside of the Oakland Airport. 0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:14.040 So he's at the car, he's on the phone, pumping gas, 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:19.239 and before he knows it, his backpack in his back 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:21.359 seat is gone. Yeah, and he's running after a car 0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:23.680 that within seconds they got him. Like the bay is 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:24.440 fucking crazy. 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:26.920 Yeah, And so there's certain shit like that where you 0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:28.680 that's not just income inequality. 0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:30.839 That is the cops and well that's not doing their 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:31.200 job right. 0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:33.239 And that's just like at the end of the day, 0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:37.239 if there are loopholes that allow you to hit licks, yeah, 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:39.719 you're gonna take advantage of those loopholes. Yeah, Like it 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:40.279 is what it is. 0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:42.640 And one thing that liberals don't understand is this, some 0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:44.319 fools just like hitting licks. 0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:46.960 You know what I mean, Like, no matter what happens. 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:48.520 It's not like everyone hitting a lick is like I 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:50.520 can't afford food. 0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:53.080 Some fools love hitting licks. I grew up with people 0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:56.080 who are rich, middle class, impoor. They listen to Chief 0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:58.040 Keep all day they're trying to hit a lick. It's 0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:00.239 not like they woke up with not being able to 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:01.479 put cornflakes in the bowl. 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:02.040 Facts. 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:04.080 And I'm just saying that's something that you can't explain 0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:05.560 to people because you're like, what do you mean they 0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.160 like it? You think there's something about them genetically that 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:10.000 made them Like, No, I didn't fucking say that. I 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:13.080 just said fools be hitting licks, yes and I and 0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:14.640 they don't get it, you know what I mean. 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:16.600 But we're not going to explain it to them. But 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:18.360 if they live in this city for long enough and 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:20.239 somebody hits it, hits a lick on your ship, You're 0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:22.120 not gonna be like, wow, you know what, even though 0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:25.040 they stole my car, I hope they can feed their family. Like, 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:27.560 where do you think we're in? Fucking Darfur? The this 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:28.200 is you know. 0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:31.359 I'm just saying, would you would you say based on 0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:33.880 your your you know, obviously your experience being up up 0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:37.560 in the northwest and covering Portland and covering the Bay 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.080 and I go back to your reference of Hamsterdam from 0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:46.280 the wire, based on like just your experience and your perspective, 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:47.360 because perspective matters. 0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:51.600 Uh, would you say the Hamsterdam model is one that 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:53.120 is sustainable? No? 0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:56.359 And here's why specifically it might be sustainable if it 0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:59.359 was like a nationwide policy. But you got to think 0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:04.319 in all the ordering states to Washington and Oregon, Idaho, Montana, 0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:06.040 even Utah and states like that. 0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:07.080 Yeah, I lived in Boise. 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:09.920 It's illegal to be homeless in a lot of these states. 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:13.040 They will put you in jail for your third vagrancy 0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:16.279 ticket for ninety days. They'll prosecute, they'll they'll burn your shit. 0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:16.799 You know what I mean. 0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:19.120 A lot of people get harassed and they get and 0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:21.879 not only that, but I was in Austin, Texas one time, 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:24.520 one time, and I watched the city book two hundred 0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:27.520 and fifty greyhound bus tickets and sending homeless people from 0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:29.880 Seventh Street in downtown to Portland. 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:31.640 So what year was that? 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:33.960 That was before all this chaos? Twenty fourteen? 0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:34.759 Oh, you know what I mean. 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:35.800 So this has been happening. 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.279 So what happens is if Seattle says, you know what, 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:41.160 We're gonna enact harm reduction policies and open up a 0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:43.640 needle exchange or something like that for people to not 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:45.800 get HIV and have se right here, all of a sudden, 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:49.480 these other counties, not even just different states, are like, okay, perfect, 0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:52.640 Now I know where to send one hundred thousand drug addicts, 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:55.680 and so it's impossible to maintain the Hamsterdam model when 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:57.840 these different states have such different policies. 0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:01.799 I wonder what is your perspective on and you know, 0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:05.239 because I think what happened in the last twelve months 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:11.480 or so was you noticed a lot of minority communities 0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:15.840 feeling a certain way about like the same places like Chicago, 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:22.480 New York City, Like immigration hitting I mean obviously Governor 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:24.640 Abbott putting people on buses setting it into New York City, 0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:27.279 send it into Chicago. But then kind of seeing like 0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:31.080 the preferential treatment that someone who came in here illegally 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:33.320 might get, whether it's a visa card loaded with fourteen 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:37.000 hundred dollars at an hotel room and all this stuff, did 0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:40.239 you kind of like there's it felt like there was 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:43.680 like kind of a divide. Well, it's between two communities 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:47.120 that usually would be I guess aligned, if that would 0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:47.799 make sense for me. 0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:50.520 It's hard to see what's real and true about that, 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:54.440 because that particular narrative is perfect for the conservative established right, 0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:57.040 like Wese see these poor people, working class people don't 0:48:57.120 --> 0:49:00.640 like migrantcsy either. I don't know how real that actually is, 0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:02.920 Like if you look at New York City right most 0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:05.719 of the migrants are being held in shelters in Long 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:08.400 Island or by the Roosevelt Hotel in Midtown. It's not 0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:11.880 like they are going to, you know, minority communities in 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:13.680 the Bronx and in Queens or in the Lower East 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:18.040 Side and just opening up these gorgeous migrant skyscrapers where 0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:20.040 they're giving people for dope ass phones. 0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:22.200 They're like, yo, you got you gotta fucking you gotta 0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:23.439 fucking loft in New York. 0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:25.200 So I feel like a lot of a lot of 0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:27.279 it is like Jesse Waters going to the hood in 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:29.200 the Bronx and being like, I don't know if you saw, 0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:31.799 young man, but they just got a free phone down there. 0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:33.520 And then I was as like, what the fuck a 0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:36.360 fuck that? I don't know if if it's actually accurate. 0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:39.600 It is Also it's possible for poor and working class 0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:44.040 people to also be syopped by hypnototic media. Hypnotic media, 0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:45.640 you know what I mean, without. 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:47.520 Knowing, because they're if you're poor and you see somebody 0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:49.479 getting free shit, that's how they turn the white working 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:51.520 class against the black communities. In the eighties, during a 0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:55.080 primitive extre so it's it's a little mini version of that. 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:57.440 If you go to a poor, poor person anywhere and 0:49:57.480 --> 0:49:59.680 you show them a video of someone getting free shit, 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.440 they are probably gonna be BacT. 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:04.120 There and then you're able to take that footage put 0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:06.319 it on TikTok and then it spreads like a while. 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:08.480 It's like showing a rich person a video of somebody 0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:09.480 breaking into a mansion. 0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:12.400 Yeah, I think to the thing I just saw recently 0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:15.600 that was going viral on TikTok was like this like 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:18.000 idea that like you could get a reward for turning in, 0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:20.120 and I think they came out and said it's not real. 0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:22.360 But it was like, like you mentioned the word sip. 0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:24.840 It felt like it was like this fake thing that 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:26.359 got thrown out there. And then you would see like 0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:29.919 these tiktoks like like like there was when I saw 0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:32.560 this black girl being like the thousand dollars a person, 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:34.440 they're seven who live next door to me, Like that's 0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:37.319 my address type shit, and it's like it's like the again, 0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:39.239 it's like at the end of the day, man, It's 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:43.440 like I think with the immigration issue, it's there's a 0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:45.200 lot of things that can be true at the same 0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:48.759 time yeah, I think, like obviously, man, like there was 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:51.200 a lot of people coming over. I was area which 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:54.680 was like not sustainable, you know, it's not sustainable for 0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:55.560 anybody to take. 0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:57.960 Any and most importantly it's not good for them. Like 0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:00.200 I have a friend from Senegal or a friend now, 0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:02.279 and I met him at the border. He had just hopped, right, 0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:04.560 So he gets he goes to border in Arizona. 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:07.399 Too, in Arizona right by Lukeville crossing Gringo Pass. Yeah, 0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:08.200 so he's telling. 0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:09.160 A Rockey point. I go by there. 0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:10.840 Yeah, I'm talking to him, and he's excited. He's like, 0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:12.759 I can't wait to get to America and work, you know. 0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:15.440 Abbot bustes him to New York and he just got 0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:18.239 his asylum appointment date and it's for twenty twenty nine, 0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:19.799 so he can't get and he. 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:22.200 Can't get his work papers, and he can't get anything. 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:24.200 He can't even receive a green card. He can't even 0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:25.440 be heard by a judge. 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:27.560 Because now you're just in limbo for on limbo for 0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:31.160 years for him, and the shelter says, we can't have 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:32.920 space for you. We have more migrants coming in. So 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:36.080 he's living on the streets right now trying to see 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:38.080 who will hire him for under the table work and 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:40.239 paying him in cash. He's getting paid four bucks an 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:42.439 hour because you got you know, deli owners and shit 0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:44.280 trying to save money asking him to mop the floor. 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:46.600 That's not a life he wanted in the US either. 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:49.800 And how man and that times, however many hundred thousand 0:51:50.000 --> 0:51:50.480 is happening. 0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:52.239 Yeah, there should be there should be a clear path 0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:55.080 to citizenship, which makes his whole situation avoidable for sure. 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.600 And then and then that's the thing is like, if 0:51:57.640 --> 0:52:01.600 there is like an I think that it just kind 0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:03.480 of all got mixed up to where it's like, okay, well, 0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:06.000 if it's a free for all at the border, then 0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:08.799 whatever bullshit systems in place for people, Like you said, 0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:11.160 the asylum system, I know, the asylum courts is a 0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:15.560 fucking jokey. It's just not sustainable, dude. Yeah. 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:18.600 Also, asylum policies were a conservative thing. I think the 0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:21.800 first asylum policy was during Reagan. It was called wet foot, dryfoot, 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:24.120 and that was to inspire Cubans to flee the island 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:25.920 during communism. And they said, if you can get in 0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:28.520 a boat to Miami, the moment you touch sand or soil. 0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:31.680 You're an American citizen. So it was supposed to incentivize 0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:34.359 people to defect from communist regimes or enemies of the US. 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:38.040 So Venezuela, that's exactly who we want. Because that's good 0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:38.520 for Trump. 0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:41.839 They're leaving communism, they're coming here for a better capitalist life. 0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:45.800 I think that's good for old school Republicans exactly. I 0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:47.600 feel like the new shit is different. 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.000 And people are exploiting the asylum system. Wherever you stand 0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:53.560 left to right, that system is being exploited. Being poor 0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:55.280 is not an asylum. 0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:57.520 Claim, so if you get here. When I was interviewing 0:52:57.520 --> 0:53:00.160 Mexicans at the border, these are poor people saying I'm 0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:02.960 being targeted by the cartel. They're gonna kill me. Every 0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:04.120 single one of them said that. 0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:07.640 I also heard like, if you are if you say 0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:11.360 you're lgbt Q, if you're coming from like an area 0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:13.920 that frowns upon it, they grant you asylum too. 0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:15.040 I'm sure I mean that. 0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:16.960 Homy and TJ was telling me that. He's like, yeah, 0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:19.640 he's like, if you just say you, if you just 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:22.120 say you're gay at the border, like me, try it. 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.880 I don't know. No. He comes back and forth like 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:26.239 he lives in TJ and works in the U. 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:29.320 Tell him hop the border act as gay as possible, 0:53:29.600 --> 0:53:30.040 like yo. 0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:31.080 Come with a boyfriend. You know. 0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:33.200 No, by the way, speaking to the border, we were 0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:34.919 just to know Paso ware is a couple a couple 0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:36.880 of days ago, wild place wars is crazy. 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:37.480 We're just there. 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:40.000 And so you know that video of like Trump's first 0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:42.000 wave of deportations where you see like a bunch of 0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:45.000 young dudes walking across the border back in New Mexico. 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:47.879 So speaking to sy Offs, those people had been held 0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:50.279 there for like three months and we're just being processed, 0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:53.080 and Trump said, don't process him, send him back right 0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:54.480 now so we can get the good optics. 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:55.920 So they had a camera crew. 0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:59.720 Set up in Warez from Breitbart, from these conservative outlets, 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:03.400 being like, the deportations are happening, but those people got apprehended, 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:05.600 apprehended under Biden criminal right. 0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:08.360 It's just content manipulation, man, It's what it is. Everyone's 0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:11.680 fucking playing the TikTok game the fund It's that's fucking wild. 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:13.880 Yeah yeah, Jesus. 0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:17.719 You you you based on like your interactions with everybody 0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:19.719 who were coming over the border, because do you know 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:22.520 there's this narrative that there's all there's this massive spike 0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:28.280 and single Chinese men coming over of military age and. 0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:32.920 You know, single Chinese men of military age. Imagine being 0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:35.520 described that way. No, exactly what I'm saying. 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:38.359 And then you know, we're kind of like in this 0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:41.240 like cold war with China, and they're sending, they're sending, 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:44.200 they're sending, uh, you know, all these cells. 0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:46.799 Over every Chinese person works for the Chinese. 0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:49.720 Government apparently, right right, yeah, exactly. There's no poor people 0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:52.319 in China exactly. Yeah, because for people who don't know 0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:54.440 the extreme poverty in Chinese. Yeah, yeah, but it was 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:56.319 just funny. It's just funny because, like you said, like 0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:59.959 you could kind of like, you know, whatever, whatever side 0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:01.840 of the road you want to be on politically, like 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:04.600 you can kind of find like an echo chamber within 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:07.480 that one immigration issue to be like yeah, I mean, 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.040 but at the same time, you know, it's obviously like 0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:13.200 there is an issue, you know, with with with that 0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:16.400 influx of people. Would you say there was like a 0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:19.839 concerted because the other thing is is people say by 0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:24.400 people I mean the right, yeah, that that the border 0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:26.719 was opened up on purpose to try to import more 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:30.799 democratic votes. That's my favorite, which is fucking an insane Well, 0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:31.480 if that's. 0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:34.799 The case, it didn't work right. Also, dude, migrants can't vote. 0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:39.000 They're not citizens, right, They literally can't vote. They can't 0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:40.759 even But I don't even need to get into that. 0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:42.799 The point is the reason you see somebody single men 0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:45.360 at the border hopping the borders because their entire families 0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:46.080 are back home. 0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:47.640 So it's like they come and work and they send 0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:49.080 money back. I mean, this is a very normal thing. 0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:50.120 How would they take their family? 0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:50.680 Their family? 0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:52.600 You want your little kids and your wife to work, 0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:53.600 she has to take care of the kids. 0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:55.440 Yeah, you want your fucking kids walking across the desert 0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:56.640 in Arizona in the summertime. 0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:58.919 Yeah, you can die shot. That's a human borders giving 0:55:58.960 --> 0:55:59.720 water to those people. 0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:01.160 Yeah, that's it's fucking crazy. 0:56:01.280 --> 0:56:02.719 But yeah, bro, like, of course it's going to be 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:04.759 single man, but like it's it's a it's been it's 0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:05.360 been strange. 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:07.520 But yeah, the border being wide open was a huge problem. 0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:10.799 What do you went to Colorado right during the yeah 0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:12.800 gang for trendy Aragua. 0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:16.160 Yes, td t d A just taken over the apartments, 0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:17.280 taxing everybody. 0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:20.160 I mean again, there was a crazy video that went 0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:23.840 viral now I know. It was like it was like 0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:24.439 red meat. 0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:27.359 Yeah, like I have some really bad news. There's a 0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:29.799 gang at an apartment building in the hood, and one's like, 0:56:29.920 --> 0:56:31.560 what the fuck is happening? 0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:33.759 There's a gang in every apartment building. 0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:36.239 Right, so what did you say? Like going there? What 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:37.520 did you did you? What did you? 0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:40.440 Okay, here's the verdict on on Colorado. There was a 0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:43.880 gang in the apartment building period, which caused the landlord 0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:45.680 to be like, you know what, bro, there's a gang here. 0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:47.560 He was a slumlord name that from Florida. 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:50.480 He owned like six different super badly maintained properties, right, 0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:51.160 so he was like, you. 0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:53.000 Know what, bro, there's gangs over running the ship. 0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:55.600 I don't even want to take care of it. I'm 0:56:55.640 --> 0:56:57.920 abandoning the property. So there was no more, no more 0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:01.600 landlord services happening, no more plumbing, no more electricity, just 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:04.960 the services were being under maintained. He was getting sued 0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:07.279 by the city of Aurora, Colorado, so he hired a 0:57:07.280 --> 0:57:11.320 crisis PR firm called Red Bandon Communications to basically plant 0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:13.839 that story about the gang takeover, to be like, they 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:15.680 beat me up and forced me out of the property. 0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:18.200 So two things were true. At one time. It was 0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:24.680 a gang of illegally of undocumented viagrants from Venezuela who 0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:27.080 were gang banging, and you had a shitty landlord. I 0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:29.880 don't understand how people can't see those two things seem 0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:31.720 to go hand in hand. I actually think. 0:57:31.600 --> 0:57:34.760 There's that That's almost always the case. Everywhere you see 0:57:34.800 --> 0:57:38.120 gangs in the projects, the property is poorly maintained. Have 0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:40.240 you ever seen a nice apartment building with a gang 0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:40.480 in it? 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:41.120 It's possible. 0:57:41.200 --> 0:57:43.000 No, that's funny. Yeah, Like you said, two things can 0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:43.720 be true at the same time. 0:57:43.760 --> 0:57:46.160 And also gang see a shitty maintained spot and they're like, 0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:46.919 I'm gonna go gang. 0:57:47.000 --> 0:57:48.760 Did you see the story that came out a couple 0:57:48.760 --> 0:57:51.960 of nights ago. They were like, Yo, in Colorado there 0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:56.320 was a Venezuelan gang house party and we rated it 0:57:56.440 --> 0:57:59.360 got forty gang members off. I'm like, first of all, 0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:01.560 shout out to those guys were being like brave enough 0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:03.439 to throw a house party. Yeah, in the same week 0:58:03.440 --> 0:58:06.200 Trump gets elected for sure, obviously not the smartest place. 0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:06.520 Yeah. 0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:09.360 Also, dude, what about the one hundred thousand gang members 0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:10.800 here in Los Angeles? 0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:11.120 Right? 0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:13.720 What what are we talking about? Right, it's so crazy. 0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:16.280 But conservatives have never met a gang member, so they're like, 0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:18.800 oh my god, the gang members have arrived. It's like 0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:22.280 the gang members are here, started here, Yes, all the 0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:24.200 MS thirteens started in Koreatown. 0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:27.240 People don't realize that MS thirteen is a California gang 0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:29.320 that obviously exported Del Salvador. 0:58:29.440 --> 0:58:32.440 Yeah, and our prison system, Harvest is an incubator for 0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:34.360 the most powerful gangs in the world. 0:58:34.520 --> 0:58:35.520 So it's really crazy. 0:58:35.320 --> 0:58:37.360 When you get people being like, bro, the border's open 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:39.880 and now people are gang bang. But if you show 0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:42.400 that clip on Fox News and you're in Little Rock, Arkansas, 0:58:42.440 --> 0:58:44.360 actually lit Rocks pretty good. Let me use a different example. 0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:46.040 If you're in Omaha, it's actually pretty good too. 0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:47.439 Okay. 0:58:47.440 --> 0:58:50.080 If you're in Boise, Idaho and the rural outskirts and 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:52.600 you see a video of the border and then people 0:58:52.680 --> 0:58:55.000 gang banging right after, you're like, here we go. 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:58.760 Yeah crazy. Have you ever covered Mormons at all? And 0:58:58.800 --> 0:58:59.760 you're no, I haven't. 0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:01.560 But you know, when I first got to Salt Lake City, 0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:03.880 I went to Temple Square and they were in plain 0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:05.720 clothes and they're like, hey, what's up man? I thought 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:06.280 they were fans. 0:59:06.360 --> 0:59:07.560 Like, oh, yeah, good to meet you. Bro. 0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:09.000 I was like, you want a picture, and they were 0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:09.760 like a picture. 0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:12.040 Have you read the word? Like ah? 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:12.480 Man. 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:18.680 So I grew up in Mesa, which is outside of Phoenix, 0:59:18.800 --> 0:59:22.000 like yeah, twenty minutes and it's a big Mormon population. 0:59:22.760 --> 0:59:24.919 So I'm very very intrigued. And then I moved to Boise. 0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:26.600 I did radio and bois for a year, which is 0:59:26.680 --> 0:59:30.160 the third largest Mormon population. It's just such a very 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:32.160 very interesting culture of people. 0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:33.000 They're really nice. 0:59:33.080 --> 0:59:36.840 There's the nicest people ever. Their religion is pretty wild. Yeah, 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:39.640 it is pretty crazy. Like there's I would love to 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:41.440 see you. Is there some more if some more in 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:43.160 the Mormon shiit pops up? Yeah, I would love to 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:43.400 see you. 0:59:43.600 --> 0:59:44.800 I mean I love Salt Lake City. 0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:47.280 Like there's this bar that they're called Twilight Lounge that 0:59:47.320 --> 0:59:48.720 I like a lot, you know what I mean. So, 0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:50.560 and most of the kids who get drunk there every 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:52.800 day are from Mormon families and they just drink and 0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:53.800 they just like sit there and be. 0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:55.320 Like oh yeah. Like when I was a kid, like 0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:57.040 the kids in high school who were like doing like 0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:59.280 real drugs or all Mormons because they were like revolting. 0:59:59.440 --> 1:00:00.640 Yeah, that's people don't know. 1:00:00.720 --> 1:00:02.720 But Salt Lake City is like a many New Orleans 1:00:02.760 --> 1:00:05.080 when it comes to alcohol consumption because these kids who 1:00:05.160 --> 1:00:07.120 defect or they kind of break off from the church, 1:00:07.440 --> 1:00:09.760 they drink like amish people on Rum's from Man. 1:00:09.920 --> 1:00:12.120 You know, I went to Salt Lake once. We went 1:00:12.240 --> 1:00:14.480 for the day. We went to interview a young boy 1:00:14.560 --> 1:00:15.040 at his house. 1:00:15.280 --> 1:00:17.680 Such a good video, bro, Yeah, shout out to him, man, 1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:19.000 that's one of my favorite interviews. 1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:21.840 Shout out to young boy. Free that man, Free him. 1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:22.200 I know. 1:00:22.440 --> 1:00:23.760 All he had to do was not do that. 1:00:24.000 --> 1:00:26.200 All he had to do was just just not like 1:00:26.360 --> 1:00:31.160 fake prescriptions. So you have everything like like like what 1:00:31.280 --> 1:00:35.080 that young boy story came out? I was like, really, bro, wait, is. 1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:36.960 It correct that he went to the Walgreens and said 1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:37.600 I'm a doctor? 1:00:37.840 --> 1:00:40.040 He called I think it was over the phone. I 1:00:40.120 --> 1:00:44.080 think he called in over the phone as a fake. Again, 1:00:44.160 --> 1:00:44.560 this is all. 1:00:44.680 --> 1:00:46.640 Can you imagine young boy trying to sound like not 1:00:46.800 --> 1:00:49.120 young boy because somebody's. 1:00:48.760 --> 1:00:51.000 Just hanging out with him like super nice guy. You know. 1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:53.920 But yeah, you spent some time here in LA with 1:00:54.000 --> 1:00:58.600 crit Mac, who obviously is incarcerated. Shout out to krypt Mac. 1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:01.000 Do you keep in any contact with him at all. 1:01:01.120 --> 1:01:01.680 Yeah, a little bit. 1:01:02.120 --> 1:01:03.360 Do you know what's going on with his case? 1:01:03.440 --> 1:01:05.120 Is there any I mean, he's just gonna do his time. 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:06.200 He'll be out next Christmas. 1:01:06.360 --> 1:01:07.480 So he'll be out next Christmas. 1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:08.520 Nice Christmas. 1:01:08.880 --> 1:01:13.360 Yeah, shot. What is your thoughts on like that? I 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:15.480 guess because I feel like krit Mac was kind of 1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:21.560 like the beginning of the commercial commercialization in the podcast 1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:24.919 space of like gang banging it's bad. It's like it's 1:01:24.960 --> 1:01:29.680 becoming like a you know, whether it's cam capone you know, 1:01:29.720 --> 1:01:32.720 obviously no jumper at him, you know, you go on. 1:01:32.920 --> 1:01:35.840 I mean there's it's kind of crazy, like like gang 1:01:35.920 --> 1:01:40.560 politics have now become like real just YouTube content, like it's. 1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:42.560 A serious content farm. What I've noticed though, is like 1:01:42.720 --> 1:01:45.760 once the lore is kind of oversaturated and figured out, 1:01:45.840 --> 1:01:49.600 people kind of move on. For example, like the Hyracology 1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:52.320 way of like all the gdbd O block cutard ship 1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:55.440 that had like four years of people figuring out everything, 1:01:55.640 --> 1:01:57.960 and now you hear you've heard every story like every 1:01:58.120 --> 1:01:59.240 FBG BUTTA interview. 1:01:59.240 --> 1:02:00.520 I'm like, I know that already. 1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:02.200 I'm not sure how I know that, But like you 1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:04.720 got dudes like traploor Ross who are breaking down the 1:02:04.880 --> 1:02:08.520 scientific moment by moment progression of these beefs and then 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:10.280 they figure it out and it's kind of just like, 1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:11.440 all right, we understand Chicago. 1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:13.600 Because he did like a four hour King von like 1:02:14.040 --> 1:02:16.320 documentary that was fucking I couldn't get through it. 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:18.280 He might be the greatest drill documentarian. 1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:19.520 I was gonna ask you, what are your thoughts on 1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:22.360 a guy like because he obviously fancies himself a journalist. 1:02:22.480 --> 1:02:23.640 Yeah, he's definitely a journalist. 1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:24.760 What are your thoughts on Trapel? 1:02:25.000 --> 1:02:26.400 I think he's dope. I mean I think that. 1:02:27.120 --> 1:02:28.560 You know, last time I went on to Jumper, I 1:02:28.640 --> 1:02:32.120 was pretty critical about like just the gangbang in space 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:33.240 being commercialized and. 1:02:33.240 --> 1:02:34.280 The way that has been. 1:02:34.360 --> 1:02:36.720 But at the same time, now that I look back, 1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:39.960 I think the real person to blame is the record labels. 1:02:40.080 --> 1:02:42.120 I mean, the people pushing this shit in the first place. 1:02:42.360 --> 1:02:45.600 You can't blame journalists and podcasters for responding to that demand. 1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:47.840 It wasn't like they pulled these people out of a hat. 1:02:48.240 --> 1:02:51.120 I'm curious about King von No, Atlantic and all these 1:02:51.160 --> 1:02:54.680 record labels they decide, Okay, we're going to commercialize gang music. 1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:58.760 Yeah, I think too, Like you know, it's interesting because 1:02:58.760 --> 1:03:01.040 a lot of these guys always say this because I'm 1:03:01.080 --> 1:03:03.480 not a big Drill fan, Like it's just never was 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:07.440 like my shit, you know. But I feel like nowadays 1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:09.440 the kids aren't into like you'll see it all the 1:03:09.520 --> 1:03:12.600 time with like let's say like pull a name out 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:16.040 of Kwanda Rondo. Yeah, like he's known, but like he 1:03:16.080 --> 1:03:18.600 doesn't really have much big music. No, his interviews are 1:03:18.640 --> 1:03:21.200 still good there, like most of these guys are known 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:24.760 more like people care about the It's almost like they're 1:03:25.120 --> 1:03:28.720 like like the audience is just watching this real life 1:03:28.880 --> 1:03:32.360 like crime series play out and they have like only 1:03:32.440 --> 1:03:35.040 invested in like the Julio Fulio, Young and Ace is 1:03:35.080 --> 1:03:37.440 the perfect example. Yeah right, it was like people really 1:03:37.720 --> 1:03:38.880 I mean, like not to say they didn't have some 1:03:39.040 --> 1:03:41.160 dope like like Fulio had some dope records, you know, 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:45.560 but people were more invested in like how's this going 1:03:45.640 --> 1:03:49.440 to end? As opposed to like, yo, let me go 1:03:49.560 --> 1:03:51.320 support this guy's album that came out. 1:03:51.440 --> 1:03:53.440 I know when Fulio died, like the next day that 1:03:53.840 --> 1:03:56.960 Young and A song right five in the morning, got 1:03:57.080 --> 1:03:59.920 a call who is this? One hundred thousand comments? I'm like, 1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:01.560 just even the comment like just so some. 1:04:01.600 --> 1:04:03.919 Of the comments are just so like people like don't 1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:04.520 have a heart. 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:07.120 Well, it's it's even beyond that, they don't see them 1:04:07.160 --> 1:04:10.560 as human beings like superheroes and the drill. They don't 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:14.040 exactly lives as valuable. I mean, it's it's depressing, but 1:04:14.200 --> 1:04:15.640 like it's not gonna end. 1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:16.320 It's not gonna end. 1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:19.280 So it's like I'm a big proponent and like, don't 1:04:19.320 --> 1:04:21.960 critique things too heavily that you can't stop for sure, 1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:24.920 you know, And like the youth is hypnotized by violent 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:26.360 and violent violence and violent music. 1:04:26.600 --> 1:04:28.400 Yeah, I think you know. You know you mentioned going 1:04:28.440 --> 1:04:29.960 on to a jumper, Like I think you know. I 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:32.240 think Adam is to me, Like I always tell people 1:04:32.280 --> 1:04:33.920 when they you know, because I'm tight with Adam. He's 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:36.280 the home and I always say, like, hey man, Adam's 1:04:37.560 --> 1:04:40.360 reinvented that fucking platform over and over and over. He's 1:04:40.360 --> 1:04:42.400 also responsible for some of like the greatest hip hop 1:04:42.480 --> 1:04:44.000 interviews of all time, if you go back to X 1:04:44.080 --> 1:04:47.080 and the first Juice World interview and and all that 1:04:47.200 --> 1:04:51.760 shit for better or worse, from like twenty sixteen to 1:04:51.880 --> 1:04:53.960 seventeen to now, Like there was this shift in the 1:04:54.000 --> 1:04:57.600 SoundCloud era and like that that platform was very, very 1:04:57.720 --> 1:05:02.280 instrumentaleh in the that wave and like you said, there's 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:05.760 a demand for that content. So if it's not, and 1:05:05.840 --> 1:05:07.920 I think Adam does a pretty decent job of like 1:05:08.200 --> 1:05:10.280 if you watch the more long form shit, like yeah, 1:05:10.360 --> 1:05:12.240 having some nuance in context to a lot of those 1:05:12.280 --> 1:05:15.800 beefs and stuff. But no matter who, like there's gonna 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:19.080 be a cam capone, there's gonna be what's the homies name? 1:05:19.120 --> 1:05:21.840 Who does the hood documentaries? That never shows his face. 1:05:22.040 --> 1:05:23.640 I've DMed with him before, fu. 1:05:23.760 --> 1:05:24.600 DJ small eyes. 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:29.960 Nah, he does like a glugs No does. He does 1:05:29.960 --> 1:05:31.400 a lot of like Northern Cali shit. 1:05:32.000 --> 1:05:34.120 I haven't seen it before, but Northern California is way 1:05:34.160 --> 1:05:34.800 more active than here. 1:05:34.880 --> 1:05:37.919 Oh like Stockin's crazy, Yeah yeah, Stockings fucking. 1:05:38.040 --> 1:05:39.720 The cool thing about how Adam has been able to 1:05:39.760 --> 1:05:42.800 develop his platform is like the SoundCloud era was huge, right, 1:05:43.120 --> 1:05:47.240 and it took place in La obviously like Melrose and Fairfax. 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:48.280 But it wasn't an LA scene. 1:05:48.320 --> 1:05:49.360 It was like a Florida thing. 1:05:49.440 --> 1:05:51.840 But but I mean, like this was this the hub 1:05:52.040 --> 1:05:54.000 of like media for it for sure, and a lot 1:05:54.040 --> 1:05:55.920 of like the rappers lived here and like once it 1:05:55.960 --> 1:05:58.880 fizzled out, like you still he figured it out because 1:05:58.920 --> 1:06:00.480 he was like, all right, we gotta make something out 1:06:00.480 --> 1:06:02.880 of just like l a Native rap and there's some 1:06:03.000 --> 1:06:06.640 sick rappers from La X four RS three. I still 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:08.240 listen to Draco every days. 1:06:08.280 --> 1:06:12.720 Amazing the truth. Yeah, long live Draco for you man? 1:06:13.280 --> 1:06:15.280 What is what is like when you put a movie 1:06:15.280 --> 1:06:17.120 out like Dear Kelly and and you know you're getting 1:06:17.200 --> 1:06:19.080 a lot of love for it. It's an amazing documentary. 1:06:19.120 --> 1:06:21.680 I thought, I don't know what is your team? Like? 1:06:21.840 --> 1:06:23.160 Is it how many of you are there? 1:06:23.360 --> 1:06:26.840 So there's me, Susan who's like the senior producer, uh, 1:06:27.320 --> 1:06:29.800 Timmy and Liam who work in the office. And now 1:06:29.840 --> 1:06:35.760 I have four editors Gabe, Wiggy, Ethan, Charlie and then 1:06:35.760 --> 1:06:38.320 my homie Drew edit from Texas. So I don't know 1:06:38.360 --> 1:06:40.120 how many people that is in total, but it's a 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:43.000 it's a nine person team. And then I got correspondence 1:06:43.040 --> 1:06:44.320 like Hosue in Mexico City. 1:06:44.360 --> 1:06:46.040 I watched, Yeah, I watched his TJ episode. 1:06:46.120 --> 1:06:48.000 Yeah, the oh that's that's the Homi. 1:06:47.840 --> 1:06:50.920 Beanie from La Okaysuay did the Mexico City gentrification. 1:06:51.120 --> 1:06:52.880 He just did. I just saw that one I saw. 1:06:53.280 --> 1:06:54.320 I saw the Mexico City one. 1:06:54.360 --> 1:06:56.120 I saw it, and he's doing a cock fighting episode 1:06:56.160 --> 1:06:57.640 right now, which is gonna be sick, which is like 1:06:57.720 --> 1:06:59.600 a deep in the country of Mexico. And then we 1:06:59.680 --> 1:07:02.280 have like correspondent in Israel won in New Zealand, and 1:07:02.320 --> 1:07:04.280 then yeah, but in general, I would say, like, oh, 1:07:04.320 --> 1:07:05.960 then JP, the homey from New York is the social 1:07:05.960 --> 1:07:06.520 media clips. 1:07:06.640 --> 1:07:07.880 So I don't know how big your team is. Is 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:09.000 it more or less than ten? 1:07:09.520 --> 1:07:09.680 Two? 1:07:10.880 --> 1:07:13.040 Oh shit, there's got to be a third. There's that 1:07:13.160 --> 1:07:15.880 my boy Erica Rock helps Okay, so my team is 1:07:15.920 --> 1:07:18.480 probably like around your size, like under twenty more than three. 1:07:19.160 --> 1:07:22.400 Damn yeah, it's it's crazy. Uh. And the other thing 1:07:22.640 --> 1:07:26.200 you started to do was dub over your videos in 1:07:26.240 --> 1:07:29.200 different languages, which I think mister Beast was Like, was 1:07:29.240 --> 1:07:30.560 it mister Beast who started doing that? Ship? 1:07:30.600 --> 1:07:32.200 I mean, he's the one who made me want to 1:07:32.240 --> 1:07:34.120 do it, now that I watched mister Beasts religiously, but 1:07:34.200 --> 1:07:37.760 I've seen mister Beat, so I just know, like he 1:07:37.840 --> 1:07:40.200 has a town in North Carolina. It's like a YouTube town, 1:07:40.360 --> 1:07:42.600 right where he has a whole studio there with like 1:07:42.760 --> 1:07:44.960 different overdubbed team for Different. 1:07:45.040 --> 1:07:48.240 Prime show is really good. Oh really Beast Games. It's 1:07:48.280 --> 1:07:50.320 like real life squid games. You have kids, right, yeah, 1:07:50.320 --> 1:07:53.000 that's why you're watching of course, okay, of course. Yeah. Yeah. 1:07:53.080 --> 1:07:54.520 It's like there's no way you get off work and 1:07:54.560 --> 1:07:57.840 you're like here we go. No, there was like it's 1:07:57.880 --> 1:07:58.560 good though, it's yeah. 1:07:58.640 --> 1:07:58.920 Yeah. 1:07:59.760 --> 1:08:01.680 So I was gonna ask you because you did you 1:08:01.800 --> 1:08:04.480 you talked about your correspondence. You did a really dope 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:08.400 video about it was it took place, and there was 1:08:08.680 --> 1:08:11.080 you kind of showed both perspectives in terms of what 1:08:11.240 --> 1:08:14.840 was going on in Lebanon. Yeah, and I think you 1:08:14.880 --> 1:08:16.600 said the video would did get demonetized. 1:08:16.600 --> 1:08:18.640 I mean that video has been like a nightmare. Like 1:08:18.800 --> 1:08:21.519 every correspondent who is in that video is now mad 1:08:21.560 --> 1:08:23.880 at me for some reason. Wow, you know, because I 1:08:23.960 --> 1:08:25.840 had someone in Israel and someone eleven. 1:08:25.720 --> 1:08:27.640 Because you had someone on the Israeli side talk and 1:08:27.680 --> 1:08:28.960 someone on the Lebed East side talk, and. 1:08:29.040 --> 1:08:31.280 Some British guys interviewed this hes blow dude, and they're 1:08:31.320 --> 1:08:32.800 mad because I didn't put him in the credits because 1:08:32.800 --> 1:08:34.479 I forgot to, And like it's just that that that 1:08:34.920 --> 1:08:38.240 piece was a trilateral nightmare. Damn. 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:40.320 But it was good man. Thank you. I'm glad you 1:08:40.479 --> 1:08:42.719 liked it, bro, because I feel like it's important because 1:08:42.720 --> 1:08:45.960 I feel like, again, there's just these there's there's especially 1:08:46.040 --> 1:08:50.200 with that situation. It's like, you know, it just sucks 1:08:50.320 --> 1:08:53.559 because I'm sure we probably aligned pretty closely in terms 1:08:53.600 --> 1:08:55.640 of how we feel about that. The war that's been 1:08:55.680 --> 1:08:59.760 happening for over a year. Definitely this bullshit ceasefire that 1:09:00.120 --> 1:09:03.000 is probably going to result in. I mean, Trump just 1:09:03.000 --> 1:09:05.960 said they want he wants to fucking displace the entire country. 1:09:06.200 --> 1:09:07.479 Yeah, which is crazy. 1:09:07.880 --> 1:09:12.719 Yeah, but you know, for you, like interviewing a Hesbela 1:09:12.840 --> 1:09:16.400 member on camera, that's a risk for you. Yeah. I 1:09:16.439 --> 1:09:18.080 didn't do it though, no I know, but just it's 1:09:18.080 --> 1:09:21.840 your platform. So like telling the side of the Hesbela. 1:09:21.560 --> 1:09:24.120 Dude, I thought, soldier, I thought that covering MAGA and 1:09:24.160 --> 1:09:26.120 Antifa shit opened me up to criticism. 1:09:26.439 --> 1:09:28.960 Brother. You should have seen when I dropped the Hesbela interview. 1:09:29.040 --> 1:09:29.240 Dude. 1:09:29.560 --> 1:09:32.479 People were calling me like a pro terrorism platform, like 1:09:32.520 --> 1:09:34.519 you know what I mean. I had comments in Hebrew 1:09:34.640 --> 1:09:36.160 like wishing death upon me and shit. 1:09:36.200 --> 1:09:37.960 I was like, this is they don't play about them at. 1:09:38.040 --> 1:09:41.479 Least would you, because I think the other story that 1:09:41.560 --> 1:09:43.920 I really would like to see somebody really trying to 1:09:43.960 --> 1:09:46.880 tackle in like as is like what's going on in 1:09:46.920 --> 1:09:49.760 the West Bank. Yeah, yeah when the settlers and like 1:09:50.120 --> 1:09:51.799 there's like a it's pretty fucked. 1:09:51.880 --> 1:09:53.920 Yeah, those settlers are on some shit. You seen videos 1:09:53.960 --> 1:09:55.840 of them? Oh my god, what's wrong with them? 1:09:56.160 --> 1:09:56.920 What is wrong? 1:09:57.280 --> 1:09:57.759 Seriously? 1:09:57.960 --> 1:10:02.200 They're like maniac like yeah, like what nightmares are made of. 1:10:02.360 --> 1:10:05.000 Like there's this lady who's just so mean and evil. 1:10:05.160 --> 1:10:06.960 Yeah, they're like homeless people with ars. 1:10:07.200 --> 1:10:13.000 They're like homeless people with ars. Bingo. But like you said, dude, 1:10:13.080 --> 1:10:15.160 like this shit, it's like almost like there's like this 1:10:16.240 --> 1:10:17.720 like you just can't talk about it. 1:10:17.960 --> 1:10:19.800 No, well, I mean you can, but it's just like 1:10:19.880 --> 1:10:22.080 you're opening yourself up so much, like dude. 1:10:21.880 --> 1:10:26.040 Because again with the labels you're anti Semitic or it's 1:10:26.080 --> 1:10:27.960 the same thing with like if you disagree with anything 1:10:28.000 --> 1:10:29.559 on the left, Yeah, you're a trumper, you're a Nazi. 1:10:29.640 --> 1:10:32.439 It's yeah, it's even worse when you're talking about Israel 1:10:32.439 --> 1:10:35.040 Palestine though, because you get your channel really taken down. 1:10:35.400 --> 1:10:38.320 Yeah, it's interesting too because it's like to see kind 1:10:38.360 --> 1:10:44.120 of like the MAGA correlation with like Israel. Yeah, and 1:10:44.280 --> 1:10:47.400 then you know, but then there's like the outliers on 1:10:47.560 --> 1:10:53.000 the right who are like so far like anti Israel, like, uh, 1:10:53.000 --> 1:10:55.559 what's the guy's name with the beer, the fucking Dan Basaria, And. 1:10:55.680 --> 1:10:56.719 Yeah, that shit's so funny. 1:10:56.840 --> 1:10:59.360 It's also just been so funny to see like MAGA 1:10:59.400 --> 1:11:01.719 aligned with is because like for two years they. 1:11:01.600 --> 1:11:05.360 Were like the Jewish Cabal of deep state apac elites or. 1:11:05.400 --> 1:11:06.040 The Q fuck. 1:11:06.439 --> 1:11:10.040 Yeah, these Q fucks yeah yeah, and then and then 1:11:10.120 --> 1:11:11.919 now they're lying, they're like funk terrorism. 1:11:12.160 --> 1:11:13.080 Yeah, it's crazy. 1:11:13.200 --> 1:11:15.960 You know, it's hell of funny. But yeah, man, I'm 1:11:16.000 --> 1:11:18.200 definitely not done covering the Middle East, but I'm taking 1:11:18.240 --> 1:11:19.920 a little breather and trying to figure it out. Next 1:11:19.960 --> 1:11:22.639 time I'm gonna go out there, be careful, Yeah, I'll 1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:23.960 be Yeah. 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:26.519 Belly has a line he did in a freestyle where 1:11:26.520 --> 1:11:30.000 he said hero villain, it's all perspective, and it's like, yeah, yeah, 1:11:30.439 --> 1:11:35.160 it's crazy, it's crazy. What are your thoughts on, because 1:11:35.600 --> 1:11:37.960 you know, it's been an interesting first week and a 1:11:38.000 --> 1:11:42.160 half of President Trump's What are your thoughts on the 1:11:42.200 --> 1:11:42.960 first week and a half? 1:11:43.240 --> 1:11:45.599 Well, I'll say this man, if Trump does some good 1:11:45.640 --> 1:11:48.200 things for the country and the quality of life improves 1:11:48.280 --> 1:11:51.000 for average American, I'm not gonna go above and beyond 1:11:51.080 --> 1:11:53.120 to try and make him look bad. I'm not this 1:11:53.320 --> 1:11:55.840 like weird guy who's just like operating on some anti 1:11:55.960 --> 1:11:58.360 Trump spighte. If things get good, I'll cover that too. 1:11:58.720 --> 1:12:00.600 So I look at it as like we have no 1:12:00.840 --> 1:12:03.080 choice but to just hope for the best. So, I mean, 1:12:03.160 --> 1:12:05.080 I try to look past the sort of like anti 1:12:05.240 --> 1:12:08.000 trans shit, and I just just really think, like, Okay, 1:12:08.360 --> 1:12:11.160 is he going to eliminate the extreme poverty and inequality 1:12:11.200 --> 1:12:11.519 that we have. 1:12:11.640 --> 1:12:14.200 Which is always like I mean, that's what the craziest 1:12:14.240 --> 1:12:18.120 thing is is the you know, the extreme poverty is growing, 1:12:18.200 --> 1:12:21.599 and then just the wealth gap is just getting It's 1:12:21.600 --> 1:12:25.280 almost like, you know, the shit that's happening with trying. 1:12:25.120 --> 1:12:28.320 To buy homes in America and American dream is over, 1:12:28.479 --> 1:12:31.559 and the gap of regional understanding is crazy. Like, for example, 1:12:31.840 --> 1:12:35.479 California is being overtaken by tech transplants and rich people 1:12:35.560 --> 1:12:38.720 from other places, causing working class Californians to flee to 1:12:38.800 --> 1:12:41.600 Arizona and Texas. And then they say, don't California, my 1:12:41.720 --> 1:12:43.760 Texas and they look at them as the problem when 1:12:43.760 --> 1:12:45.240 their problem is low key. 1:12:45.320 --> 1:12:46.960 Them fucking with Black California. 1:12:47.080 --> 1:12:49.599 It's just like this cycle and black Rock owns everything 1:12:49.640 --> 1:12:51.720 and everything's all bad. But like I said Brad twenty 1:12:51.800 --> 1:12:52.759 twenty eighth that year. 1:12:52.800 --> 1:12:57.000 Yeah I hope, so man, I sure hope. So yeah, yeah, 1:12:57.080 --> 1:12:59.320 I think it's it's just it's just it's disheartening because 1:12:59.320 --> 1:13:01.200 it's like, damn, dude, like I can I don't imagine, 1:13:01.200 --> 1:13:02.680 Like if I was like twenty two to twenty three 1:13:02.760 --> 1:13:05.240 right now, I wouldn't even even like the thought of 1:13:05.360 --> 1:13:08.360 like buying an entry level condo couldn't even cross my mind. 1:13:08.439 --> 1:13:09.679 Yeah, I don't. I don't own anything. 1:13:09.880 --> 1:13:10.599 Yeah you know what I mean. 1:13:11.240 --> 1:13:13.560 Yeah, that's yeah, except by in my two thousand and 1:13:13.600 --> 1:13:16.080 seven Tacoma the car. But I mean, aside from that, 1:13:16.360 --> 1:13:17.600 I don't even want to buy a house. If I 1:13:17.640 --> 1:13:19.000 do buy a house, it's gonna be in the cut 1:13:19.080 --> 1:13:21.360 in the country. Like young boy, So you were in 1:13:21.439 --> 1:13:23.960 Phoenix for a while, I lived in Phoenix. 1:13:23.680 --> 1:13:24.559 For an entire year. 1:13:24.760 --> 1:13:26.960 I'm gonna blow the lid off that no one knows 1:13:27.040 --> 1:13:29.280 that I was on forty fourth and camel Back, living 1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:32.439 behind the village it's an athletic club. Great area, holding 1:13:32.520 --> 1:13:35.560 it down, Indian School, Chopper John's. 1:13:35.720 --> 1:13:39.759 Siparadia, Yeah, Arcadia, Arcadia, Scottsdale, CUSP. 1:13:40.000 --> 1:13:42.680 Yeah, great area. Yeah, so you enjoyed it? Did you 1:13:42.800 --> 1:13:43.360 enjoy your year? 1:13:43.439 --> 1:13:44.960 I love Phoenix, bro, I'm not gonna lie. 1:13:45.080 --> 1:13:48.040 I was a major Tucson flag staff guy and I 1:13:48.160 --> 1:13:49.760 moved to Phoenix and I said, you know what, I'm 1:13:49.800 --> 1:13:51.479 a figure out. Had to make this place as fun 1:13:51.520 --> 1:13:54.080 as possible, and I figured out my spots. 1:13:53.680 --> 1:13:55.000 And I got a lot of love for Phoenix. 1:13:55.080 --> 1:13:55.200 Now. 1:13:55.400 --> 1:13:57.360 Yeah, and Phoenix, I always thought it was like the 1:13:57.439 --> 1:14:00.439 Dallas of the West. It's like a gross, infinite sprawl 1:14:00.520 --> 1:14:03.839 of nothingness and identical suburban cul de sacs. But Phoenix 1:14:03.920 --> 1:14:04.160 is tight. 1:14:04.320 --> 1:14:05.720 No, it is tight for sure. Yeah. I mean you 1:14:05.760 --> 1:14:07.479 were in a good area too. Great food around there. 1:14:07.560 --> 1:14:10.000 Good food, good vegan food, you know. I mean. 1:14:10.040 --> 1:14:14.080 The only part I don't like Phoenix really, and I 1:14:14.200 --> 1:14:17.439 hate to be negative, is like the downtown Scottsdale area. 1:14:17.840 --> 1:14:18.599 Oh yeah, old town. 1:14:18.880 --> 1:14:19.880 Yeah, it's just not my thing. 1:14:20.320 --> 1:14:22.479 Yeah, I mean I could see why not. It's very 1:14:22.640 --> 1:14:24.479 I mean, I know you own a club, a club 1:14:24.560 --> 1:14:25.720 in old Town Scott's. 1:14:25.439 --> 1:14:26.679 Which is a good business play. 1:14:26.920 --> 1:14:28.599 Yeah, I mean, and it's also the only black club 1:14:28.640 --> 1:14:30.880 in Scottsdale, so you know it's a hip hop club. 1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:33.760 We're booking like fucking whoever you could think of it. 1:14:33.880 --> 1:14:35.120 We just had Boston Richie Friday. 1:14:35.320 --> 1:14:37.599 Oh really sick. That's tight. I like Tempi though. 1:14:37.680 --> 1:14:40.880 Yeah. The Tempe's a vibe. Downtown Phoenix is a vibe. 1:14:41.000 --> 1:14:43.760 You see. They had a candlelight vigil last night in 1:14:43.800 --> 1:14:46.559 Tempe for the goon for naughticham alone, Oh my god, 1:14:46.760 --> 1:14:48.880 goon in Heaven. Goon too soon? 1:14:49.439 --> 1:14:55.320 Dude, that this whole fucking guy becoming like the mascot 1:14:55.439 --> 1:14:56.479 for gooning on Twitter. 1:14:56.760 --> 1:14:57.639 It's horrible, bro. 1:14:57.880 --> 1:15:01.559 It's so funny. My kids were like, my my son 1:15:01.760 --> 1:15:03.800 is like, yo, dad, you see they had a they 1:15:03.840 --> 1:15:06.080 had a they had a fucking they had a gooner role. 1:15:06.680 --> 1:15:07.360 I'm like, man, what. 1:15:09.200 --> 1:15:10.840 The full text to me? The dude organize. He's like, 1:15:10.840 --> 1:15:12.240 you gotta pull up and I was already here and 1:15:12.320 --> 1:15:14.000 I was like, oh man, oh that would have been 1:15:14.080 --> 1:15:14.880 fired all right. 1:15:15.040 --> 1:15:17.519 So yeah, no, there was like for people who don't know, 1:15:17.560 --> 1:15:20.080 there's like this guy's fucking forever on internet. Brain what 1:15:20.280 --> 1:15:23.559 brought Hall of fame. This guy who caught my friend 1:15:23.680 --> 1:15:24.080 owns that. 1:15:24.240 --> 1:15:26.400 Place, Bikini Breast Bikini Beans. 1:15:26.479 --> 1:15:28.760 Yeah, my friend Ben owns that place. Oh shit, so 1:15:28.960 --> 1:15:32.560 he posts. It's funny because he posted the video. He 1:15:32.720 --> 1:15:34.599 was the first guy that posted, and I just reposted 1:15:34.600 --> 1:15:36.200 it on my story within seconds. I was like, yo, 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:37.360 track this creeped out. 1:15:37.520 --> 1:15:40.000 Yeah for sure, and then like, I don't know. 1:15:40.120 --> 1:15:42.040 Two days later it was like the guy killed himself 1:15:42.040 --> 1:15:44.200 and I felt kind of bad, yeah, because I was like, fuck, 1:15:44.240 --> 1:15:45.160 I shared that video. 1:15:45.560 --> 1:15:47.080 Fuck was it two full days? 1:15:47.760 --> 1:15:48.360 I don't even know. 1:15:48.560 --> 1:15:50.439 I thought he went straight to a parking lot in 1:15:50.520 --> 1:15:52.040 Goodyear and just did the deed that. 1:15:52.160 --> 1:15:53.880 I don't know. I don't know all the deats. I 1:15:54.000 --> 1:15:57.400 just know this guy is now, you know, fucking I 1:15:57.439 --> 1:15:59.479 didn't even know what dooning he was before two weeks ago. 1:15:59.720 --> 1:16:01.960 You know about the Gilbert Goons, though, right, of course 1:16:02.479 --> 1:16:02.920 have you them? 1:16:03.320 --> 1:16:05.840 Have you? Have you done anything? No Gilbert Good? No, 1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:06.599 I didn't. 1:16:07.080 --> 1:16:08.600 I was focused on the border and I was like, 1:16:08.680 --> 1:16:10.000 I don't want to hear about this ship. But now, 1:16:10.080 --> 1:16:11.559 looking back, I wish I had an exclusive. 1:16:11.640 --> 1:16:13.280 Yeah, the Gilbert Goons. For people who don't know, it's 1:16:13.320 --> 1:16:15.760 like this Gilbert is like the nicest area you could 1:16:15.760 --> 1:16:17.439 possibly live in. It's like one of them is pretty 1:16:17.479 --> 1:16:21.080 big Mormon area too. But just these fucking they get it. 1:16:21.120 --> 1:16:24.559 They killed somebody, right, Rich kid gangs, rich kid Gary's 1:16:25.200 --> 1:16:27.840 you know, but like, dude, real ones, No, rich high 1:16:27.880 --> 1:16:29.439 school kid gangs are terrifying. 1:16:29.520 --> 1:16:31.519 They catch bodies. There was one in Laurel Canyon, the 1:16:31.560 --> 1:16:34.080 Wonderland Gang. Yeah, the three eleven Boys in Las Vegas 1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:36.200 and Seattle. You had a gang called Spruce Mob that 1:16:36.200 --> 1:16:38.200 would hit licks at every house party. They never caught 1:16:38.200 --> 1:16:41.200 a body. But these kids got none to lose, no money. 1:16:41.400 --> 1:16:42.599 Their parents are by. 1:16:42.560 --> 1:16:44.280 Lawyers charged as juveniles. 1:16:44.560 --> 1:16:46.760 Their daddy didn't love them enough, wasn't around enough. And 1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:49.599 what are they listening to? Fucking Chief Keef and fucking 1:16:49.760 --> 1:16:50.559 NBA young boy. 1:16:50.720 --> 1:16:55.479 And so we're not gonna blame no Jumper for that, yo. 1:16:55.600 --> 1:16:58.559 It's so oh my god, that's funny. Dude. You're obviously 1:16:58.560 --> 1:17:02.519 a big hip hop fan. Who were your like like like, like, 1:17:02.680 --> 1:17:03.960 who would you say he is like your favorite hip 1:17:03.960 --> 1:17:04.760 hop artists of all time? 1:17:04.840 --> 1:17:06.280 I mean I grew up in like the litl Be 1:17:06.840 --> 1:17:10.040 Chief Key Cooks and Space Ghost Purp generation, you know, 1:17:10.240 --> 1:17:13.479 in between odd Future and trippy red if that makes. 1:17:13.320 --> 1:17:15.280 Sense, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean this is good 1:17:15.360 --> 1:17:15.880 hip hop in there. 1:17:15.960 --> 1:17:17.960 Yeah, yeah, that was kind of my era. I mean now, 1:17:18.240 --> 1:17:20.200 like I listened to a lot of Lah. I listened 1:17:20.200 --> 1:17:22.040 to a lot of sped up Florida music. Like I 1:17:22.160 --> 1:17:24.840 listened to a lot of jack Boy obviously Kodak, but 1:17:24.880 --> 1:17:26.200 you ever heard a nine to five to four fast 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:28.880 pitch before DJ Frisco, DJ Fetti Fee. 1:17:29.479 --> 1:17:30.200 I listened to a lot of. 1:17:30.160 --> 1:17:32.920 Shit like that. The crazy shit is I had, you know, 1:17:33.000 --> 1:17:35.960 me and Denzel career homies and where I was like, yo, man, 1:17:36.080 --> 1:17:38.200 like first of all, Space Ghost Perp. He don't get 1:17:38.280 --> 1:17:40.880 enough fucking love for the influence he had. But like 1:17:40.960 --> 1:17:45.680 if Raider Clan and Asap Mob never beefed, yeah, Like, 1:17:47.120 --> 1:17:51.040 there was just so many possibilities that could have played out, dude. 1:17:51.040 --> 1:17:54.240 And you know, we remember a public school breakfast when 1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:56.200 you going to give you the apple wrapped in plastic 1:17:56.280 --> 1:17:57.920 and a couple of eggs. So when I was in 1:17:58.040 --> 1:18:00.000 sixth grade, I used to go to public school breakfas 1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:02.120 and there was this dude that would sit at the 1:18:02.160 --> 1:18:05.559 table across from me. His name was Keishawn. He ended 1:18:05.640 --> 1:18:08.720 up joining Raider Clan and he was the only Seattle member. 1:18:08.760 --> 1:18:11.439 He's a rapper named key Niata. So we got to 1:18:11.560 --> 1:18:14.120 meet some of like the og Raider Clan people at 1:18:14.160 --> 1:18:16.680 one of his first concerts in Capitol Hills. So I 1:18:16.720 --> 1:18:19.040 had met like space Cohos, Purp and Denzel Curry and 1:18:19.080 --> 1:18:21.800 young Sammy when I was like fourteen, And I thought 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:24.519 about that too, like if the asap Purp thing never happened, 1:18:24.560 --> 1:18:28.320 which was all about the vocabulary and the Vale replacement 1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:30.479 with the excess and V's being taken, if that didn't happen, 1:18:31.000 --> 1:18:33.280 I don't know what would have happened. But Purp is legend, 1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:34.679 little Bee also legend. 1:18:35.120 --> 1:18:36.680 I'm trying to think. I wish I had more for you, 1:18:36.880 --> 1:18:37.439 but just the whole. 1:18:37.600 --> 1:18:39.200 When you're a kid in Seattle, do you just like 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:40.920 fucking Maclamore. 1:18:41.040 --> 1:18:43.080 Let's go, well, the thing about Malcilmore and this is 1:18:43.160 --> 1:18:46.479 why Seattle guy, by the way, I fucked with Macklimore. 1:18:46.880 --> 1:18:49.120 This is why Seattle is such a hater city. Bro 1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:53.160 is because Malcilmore was the most respected underground legend. 1:18:52.960 --> 1:18:54.920 For yeah No for a few years, Like he was 1:18:55.000 --> 1:18:56.280 like an underground rapper bro. 1:18:56.439 --> 1:18:59.240 He went to Garfield High School. He's not a suburban cat. 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:03.640 Malcolm was a certified, respected battle rapper, freestyle rapper from 1:19:03.680 --> 1:19:06.360 the inner city of Seattle who had the most respect. 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:09.519 The moment Thrift Shop comes out, it hits a billion views, 1:19:09.720 --> 1:19:12.840 all of a sudden, he's the people in Seattle are like, haha, Mackelmore, 1:19:12.960 --> 1:19:16.360 this and that instantaneously hometown hate and jealousy. 1:19:16.240 --> 1:19:18.879 Which is crazy because it's like, dude, this guy's such. 1:19:18.720 --> 1:19:21.519 A good guy, such a good that's a band man. 1:19:21.840 --> 1:19:23.560 He's from the same neighborhood as me. 1:19:23.720 --> 1:19:25.880 Oh wow, Yeah, he's such a good guy, dude, and 1:19:25.920 --> 1:19:29.639 he's like, you know, I think it's been just dope 1:19:29.680 --> 1:19:32.840 to see him like unapologetically take a stand for a 1:19:32.920 --> 1:19:34.799 fucking what's going on in Palestine. 1:19:34.840 --> 1:19:37.640 He goes MLK on him, he does, he said some 1:19:37.960 --> 1:19:40.360 I forget what he said. No, he talks like MLK 1:19:40.479 --> 1:19:42.720 on him. You ever hear him fucking Malcolm wore being 1:19:42.800 --> 1:19:45.880 like I'm taking a stand, you know, it's of Yeah, 1:19:45.920 --> 1:19:47.560 he does it once every five years, and when he 1:19:47.600 --> 1:19:48.599 does it, he's not fucking playing. 1:19:48.640 --> 1:19:51.040 I remember when he jumped on the fuck Donald Trump remix. 1:19:52.240 --> 1:19:53.559 Oh shit, damn that song. 1:19:53.600 --> 1:19:55.679 I forgot about He's on the Fuck Donald Trump remix? 1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:57.599 It was I think it was him and G Easy. 1:19:58.960 --> 1:20:01.840 I think it was why Yeah, it was y G. 1:20:02.080 --> 1:20:03.640 G Easy in Maclamore. 1:20:04.160 --> 1:20:07.479 G Easy went to the small Catholic Catholic college that 1:20:07.520 --> 1:20:09.599 I went to in New Orleans. But check it out 1:20:09.600 --> 1:20:11.719 when that when I hear that instrumental from Fuck Donald Trump, 1:20:12.000 --> 1:20:14.040 it gives me goosebumps because that was it was being 1:20:14.080 --> 1:20:17.000 played during all the riots in Minneapolis. I can smell, 1:20:17.160 --> 1:20:19.720 I can feel the flames from the precinct burning on 1:20:19.760 --> 1:20:21.040 my face when I hear that instrumental. 1:20:21.120 --> 1:20:22.240 Holy shit, you know what I mean? 1:20:22.320 --> 1:20:24.519 That one and the beginning of the Fuck the Police 1:20:24.560 --> 1:20:27.400 instrumental before Boosey starts rapping with those two songs. 1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:30.280 You'll never experience life until you're around a burning cop 1:20:30.360 --> 1:20:31.240 car with the song's playing. 1:20:32.160 --> 1:20:33.040 What's what's next? 1:20:33.120 --> 1:20:33.280 Man? 1:20:33.360 --> 1:20:35.960 I'm this obviously. I know you you're gonna keep the 1:20:36.040 --> 1:20:38.960 channel growing and doing big ship, but like, you know, 1:20:39.080 --> 1:20:41.040 are you going to continue to do documentaries? 1:20:41.200 --> 1:20:41.639 Yeah? 1:20:41.840 --> 1:20:44.120 Do you think that with the success of this is 1:20:44.200 --> 1:20:46.040 the goal that I get to deal with Netflix, maybe 1:20:46.080 --> 1:20:47.240 be able to sell the next one to one of 1:20:47.280 --> 1:20:48.120 these bigger platforms. 1:20:48.160 --> 1:20:49.400 No, I don't want to work with them really. 1:20:49.520 --> 1:20:52.040 I mean, actually, you know what, I just don't want 1:20:52.040 --> 1:20:53.880 to be put in a position again to where my 1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:56.519 future is in the hands of somebody and some people 1:20:56.560 --> 1:20:59.960 I don't know. So I would definitely work with NETFLI 1:21:01.160 --> 1:21:04.040 in a licensing capacity, but I want every movie that 1:21:04.120 --> 1:21:06.320 I drop, I want to drop by myself first on 1:21:06.400 --> 1:21:08.400 my own websites, and I'm gonna go to them with 1:21:08.479 --> 1:21:12.000 the numbers and say, hey, if you like this, would 1:21:12.040 --> 1:21:14.080 you like to license it for a year. I won't 1:21:14.640 --> 1:21:16.439 post it on my platform. You guys can make as 1:21:16.479 --> 1:21:18.360 much money off you want off of it as you want, 1:21:18.920 --> 1:21:23.679 like masterp that style. Because whenever you're a documentary filmmaker 1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:26.080 and you go to a streaming platform HBO and Netflix, 1:21:26.120 --> 1:21:28.720 Prime to be whatever, they're going to calculate how much 1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:30.640 money that they're going to give you based upon a 1:21:30.720 --> 1:21:33.720 minimum guarantee, which is calculated by your engagement. So if 1:21:33.760 --> 1:21:36.440 you're in obscurity, if you're in nobody with a dope documentary, 1:21:36.640 --> 1:21:39.000 they're going to be incentivized to give you a small number. 1:21:39.240 --> 1:21:41.360 But if you're somebody who can say, hey, dear Kelly 1:21:41.479 --> 1:21:43.479 did fifty thousand streams in the first month. 1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:45.839 Here's how much money we made. Here's the reaction. 1:21:46.240 --> 1:21:49.280 How would you like to go into business together? You 1:21:49.479 --> 1:21:51.240 license it, do as much as you want with it, 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:52.800 then give it back one day so I can die 1:21:52.840 --> 1:21:53.280 with the ip. 1:21:53.840 --> 1:21:56.280 That is the best situation. They tell you you can't 1:21:56.360 --> 1:21:56.560 do that. 1:21:57.720 --> 1:21:59.080 Has anyone done it before? No? 1:21:59.360 --> 1:22:02.240 No, because because what the platform say is, I know 1:22:02.320 --> 1:22:03.880 it's not that much money, and I know that we're 1:22:03.920 --> 1:22:05.400 going to own it. It's not going to be years, 1:22:05.439 --> 1:22:07.960 but you're going to be famous, and then that exposure 1:22:08.040 --> 1:22:09.960 is going to be your gateway into owning your content 1:22:10.040 --> 1:22:12.240 in the future one day. This is a model that 1:22:12.320 --> 1:22:15.120 I thought of, and once I explained it to my agent, 1:22:15.240 --> 1:22:18.960 he said, yeah, that's possible, and I was like, oh shit, really. 1:22:18.880 --> 1:22:20.479 He's like yeah yeah. 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:22.679 I mean if you show why wouldn't they want Because 1:22:22.680 --> 1:22:23.880 at the end of the day, you have such a 1:22:24.000 --> 1:22:27.559 niche audience, and if it's something that you've already shown 1:22:28.320 --> 1:22:30.280 the proof of concept for like hey, no, it worked, 1:22:30.400 --> 1:22:33.000 we have this is then this is what we did. 1:22:33.240 --> 1:22:36.280 This is the buzz behind the movie. I mean, why 1:22:36.320 --> 1:22:37.240 wouldn't they license it? 1:22:38.840 --> 1:22:41.080 Not a few reasons, but I mean, you know, in general. 1:22:42.120 --> 1:22:44.280 Obviously I've had some controversy in the past that makes 1:22:44.320 --> 1:22:47.519 it difficult for them, and secondly marketing budget. 1:22:47.920 --> 1:22:51.559 The controversy that you had, I thought it was. I mean, 1:22:52.320 --> 1:22:53.599 you don't have to speak on it, but I think 1:22:53.680 --> 1:22:55.760 just from a perspective of somebody who follows you and 1:22:56.080 --> 1:22:59.960 I think I gather what transpired. Yeah, I just thought 1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:06.320 it was It was very very uh Aziz an Zari 1:23:06.400 --> 1:23:09.320 type situation. In my opinion, it was like, yeah, are 1:23:09.400 --> 1:23:11.080 we really trying to cancel this guy? 1:23:11.320 --> 1:23:13.480 And what happened behind the scenes is more unbelievable. 1:23:13.720 --> 1:23:15.800 Yet to speak on it, but the point is is 1:23:15.880 --> 1:23:17.840 that I just felt like, you know, I felt like 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:23.000 your situation and DISEASA situation was like the personification of 1:23:23.200 --> 1:23:25.680 cancel culture getting a little fucking out of hand. Yeah, 1:23:25.920 --> 1:23:27.600 like what are we doing here? But that's just me, 1:23:27.800 --> 1:23:29.439 I know, you know, like you said, you haven't spoke 1:23:29.479 --> 1:23:30.479 about behind the scenes, I'm sure. 1:23:30.720 --> 1:23:33.759 I mean, it was basically, without giving too much information 1:23:33.880 --> 1:23:36.000 out because it's going to all come at at one time. Yeah, 1:23:36.200 --> 1:23:39.120 it was a lawyer and a group of people who 1:23:39.479 --> 1:23:41.760 most of whom I didn't know, trying to bait me 1:23:41.840 --> 1:23:44.000 into a civil settlement to give them a portion of 1:23:44.040 --> 1:23:47.040 the HBO movie payout. But I didn't play ball with 1:23:47.160 --> 1:23:50.240 these people. They sent out press releases to the media 1:23:50.240 --> 1:23:52.840 outlets who basically ran these pieces as a pressure tactic. 1:23:52.960 --> 1:23:54.640 So I had to the only way out of that 1:23:54.760 --> 1:23:57.240 situation really was to kind of like just bite the 1:23:57.280 --> 1:23:58.040 bullet and move on. 1:23:58.400 --> 1:24:00.960 Wow. So they really try to, yeah, bully you into 1:24:01.000 --> 1:24:01.519 a payday. 1:24:01.640 --> 1:24:03.479 Yeah, but I didn't do it. But I had to 1:24:03.560 --> 1:24:05.920 deal with you know, I had to really make a choice. 1:24:06.160 --> 1:24:07.080 You had to face it. 1:24:07.640 --> 1:24:10.320 Yeah, because if I were to pay the money to 1:24:10.439 --> 1:24:13.080 these people, then there'd be an NDA and nobody would 1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:15.519 learn about it. That's what most of the celebrities in 1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:18.479 the industry do. I was actually advised to do that 1:24:18.720 --> 1:24:20.479 by some of the people I was working with. They said, 1:24:20.520 --> 1:24:22.240 you know what, this is a part of becoming famous. 1:24:22.439 --> 1:24:24.000 You're going to have people who try to get money 1:24:24.040 --> 1:24:25.760 out of you. The best thing to do is take 1:24:25.800 --> 1:24:28.320 the L financially and hold on to your career. And 1:24:28.439 --> 1:24:30.160 I said, you know what, I'm actually not going to 1:24:30.200 --> 1:24:32.599 take the L financially because if I pay somebody out 1:24:32.680 --> 1:24:34.599 for something I didn't do, then what's going to happen? 1:24:34.640 --> 1:24:36.680 Five years down the line, if I continue to have 1:24:36.800 --> 1:24:38.800 success and they have that on me, it's going to. 1:24:38.800 --> 1:24:41.599 Go up and up and up. I just I didn't 1:24:41.600 --> 1:24:42.519 want to be on that hook. 1:24:43.000 --> 1:24:45.519 But the point is because I haven't really spoke too 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:48.120 much about that situation with receipts, yet I still have 1:24:48.240 --> 1:24:52.000 this issue to where like even today, People Magazine was 1:24:52.040 --> 1:24:53.920 supposed to run a feature on me. They had the 1:24:54.000 --> 1:24:57.000 whole thing written, and then ten minutes before it's supposed 1:24:57.000 --> 1:24:59.800 to come out, up the editor in chief, because of 1:24:59.840 --> 1:25:01.639 the controversy, decided to nix the story. 1:25:02.560 --> 1:25:04.640 These guys are pussies, but. 1:25:04.880 --> 1:25:07.439 That's the world they live in. It's so crazy, So 1:25:07.680 --> 1:25:10.120 I'd be crazy to pretend like that's not a road 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:12.000 block to getting my shit on Netflix, you know what 1:25:12.000 --> 1:25:12.280 I mean? 1:25:12.720 --> 1:25:15.920 Yeah, I mean I think if there's anything that hopefully, 1:25:16.080 --> 1:25:17.760 you know, we think about the positives that could happen 1:25:17.840 --> 1:25:20.280 with fucking old fucking orange face being president again, is 1:25:20.320 --> 1:25:21.760 like a lot of that shit gets eased up and 1:25:21.960 --> 1:25:24.240 and and you know it sucks too because you also 1:25:24.280 --> 1:25:26.080 see like a lot of these fools just bend in 1:25:26.080 --> 1:25:27.920 the kneed to trump and like getting rid of, like, 1:25:28.080 --> 1:25:30.639 you know, shit just to bend the need of Trump. Yeah, 1:25:30.720 --> 1:25:32.559 but it's like, yo, man, like we got to stop 1:25:32.640 --> 1:25:36.679 fucking like just getting people out of here for no reason. 1:25:36.800 --> 1:25:39.000 And it's become like, you know, there's a real economy 1:25:39.080 --> 1:25:43.880 behind it, Like there's an economy behind, there's commerce behind 1:25:45.600 --> 1:25:48.120 making us hate each other. Yeah, and there isn't it. 1:25:48.320 --> 1:25:52.479 There's this there's a whole black market, you know, economy 1:25:52.560 --> 1:25:55.320 behind trying to cancel people or blackmail im legally and 1:25:55.360 --> 1:25:56.599 cold legally blackmail people. 1:25:56.760 --> 1:25:56.960 Yeah. 1:25:57.040 --> 1:25:59.680 And you asked about, you know, the BLM movement too, 1:25:59.800 --> 1:26:01.240 and I think it's the same thing with the me 1:26:01.320 --> 1:26:03.160 too movement. A lot of things start off with a 1:26:03.240 --> 1:26:05.719 genuine purpose, but then the tail end becomes an industry. 1:26:05.760 --> 1:26:07.120 It's based upon generating capital. 1:26:07.200 --> 1:26:08.680 Yeah, I think the me too thing got pretty out 1:26:08.680 --> 1:26:11.440 of hand quick. It was like, yeah, fucking Harvey Weinstein's 1:26:11.439 --> 1:26:13.800 a fucking steaming pile of dog shit. And this is 1:26:14.160 --> 1:26:17.120 something that obviously happens and it should be addressed. But 1:26:17.439 --> 1:26:20.880 if someone hits on you, that doesn't mean that they 1:26:20.960 --> 1:26:25.439 sexually like, it's just like it shit, Like I think 1:26:25.479 --> 1:26:27.240 I think I don't remember all the details of his 1:26:27.439 --> 1:26:29.320 ease thing, but I think he flirted with someone and 1:26:29.400 --> 1:26:32.200 it didn't go well, and like he I think he 1:26:32.320 --> 1:26:34.639 lost his show on Netflix definitely. I mean he's yet 1:26:34.680 --> 1:26:36.920 to return, you know, which is crazy because he's like 1:26:37.040 --> 1:26:37.719 one of the guys. 1:26:38.080 --> 1:26:40.120 Yeah, I mean to if you really want to have 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:44.040 a mind fuck, the person who leads the Creating Evidence Lab, 1:26:44.160 --> 1:26:46.880 which is an online workshop that teaches you how to 1:26:47.320 --> 1:26:52.559 basically extract a confession from somebody, is Harvey Weinstein's defense attorney. 1:26:52.880 --> 1:26:52.920 What. 1:26:53.840 --> 1:26:57.639 Yeah, So it's like it's it's like a black Mirror episode, 1:26:57.680 --> 1:26:59.920 Like this shit is really this shit's really full circle. 1:27:00.200 --> 1:27:05.559 What is your opinion on a guy like Joe Rogan? 1:27:05.960 --> 1:27:08.400 I like him, Yeah, I mean, obviously I disagree with 1:27:08.520 --> 1:27:10.439 some of the things he said, but I think that 1:27:11.160 --> 1:27:13.800 as a podcaster, what he's been able to achieve in 1:27:13.920 --> 1:27:16.719 some of the conversations that I've I've seen him have before, 1:27:17.080 --> 1:27:19.559 I think he does a great job. I mean, especially 1:27:19.600 --> 1:27:22.160 if you think about, like the fact that when he 1:27:22.240 --> 1:27:25.519 came onto the scene, you know, podcasting wasn't what it 1:27:25.680 --> 1:27:28.080 was today, and so I almost feel like he kind 1:27:28.080 --> 1:27:31.800 of paved the way for podcasts to be taken more seriously. Yeah, 1:27:31.880 --> 1:27:34.759 you know, I know, he's like an easy person to target, 1:27:35.360 --> 1:27:37.200 and you know, I did meet him one time and 1:27:37.280 --> 1:27:38.400 he wasn't the nicest to me. 1:27:38.680 --> 1:27:41.000 You know what I mean. But you know, I feel 1:27:41.040 --> 1:27:42.240 like you're gonna end up on that show. 1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:43.320 I hope so, bro. 1:27:43.640 --> 1:27:46.160 But at the same time, like, but then when you 1:27:46.280 --> 1:27:48.280 go on there, when you go on there, they're gonna 1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:51.759 be like because now you know, obviously Joe Rogan's a Nazi, 1:27:51.800 --> 1:27:52.160 you know, so. 1:27:52.400 --> 1:27:54.800 Yeah, they're gonna be you know. 1:27:54.920 --> 1:27:56.920 And I think with Rogan is like I always just 1:27:57.000 --> 1:28:02.040 appreciate the fact that like he just I've learned about 1:28:02.479 --> 1:28:04.840 like archaeology on his podcast and I never would have 1:28:05.080 --> 1:28:08.479 or fucking self sustained farming or just like the most 1:28:08.600 --> 1:28:10.600 random shit, it's tight. And when it comes to like 1:28:10.680 --> 1:28:14.000 political shit, like he'll have like I remember there was 1:28:14.080 --> 1:28:15.560 like two a couple of years ago. He had like 1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:20.680 one guy who was uh, pro climate change and then 1:28:20.680 --> 1:28:22.799 another guy who was anti climate change, and he interviewed 1:28:22.800 --> 1:28:24.240 them and back to back days and then got them 1:28:24.280 --> 1:28:26.479 together to have like a discussion, and I'm like, well 1:28:26.520 --> 1:28:28.599 that and it was like four hours long. Yeah, I mean, 1:28:28.880 --> 1:28:29.439 you're not getting that. 1:28:29.560 --> 1:28:31.200 You're not going to see shit like that elsewhere. 1:28:31.240 --> 1:28:33.479 And I think it also speaks to like people's attention 1:28:33.680 --> 1:28:37.360 attention span, even though the social media algorithm would tell 1:28:37.360 --> 1:28:39.400 you that people have like a short attention span. People 1:28:39.479 --> 1:28:41.760 are still watching three and a half hour podcast for sure. 1:28:41.760 --> 1:28:43.519 Foples are still going to watch this whole podcast and 1:28:43.520 --> 1:28:44.200 they're gonna like it. 1:28:44.280 --> 1:28:47.639 You know, what are your thoughts on? Uh, you were 1:28:47.720 --> 1:28:52.799 on the ground for January sixth. I was nearby nearby. 1:28:53.240 --> 1:28:55.519 Oh you weren't there, Okay, okay, okay, yeah, okay, so 1:28:55.560 --> 1:28:56.400 you weren't there, that's right. 1:28:56.479 --> 1:28:59.040 I was there for like three different pump fakes where 1:28:59.040 --> 1:29:01.040 they said like we're gonna take the Capitol and they 1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:03.759 would get close and be like not today. 1:29:04.080 --> 1:29:06.040 So I want to know your thoughts because I thought 1:29:06.080 --> 1:29:09.320 it was I thought that with the j sixers, I 1:29:09.400 --> 1:29:13.000 guess I think that there was probably some people who 1:29:13.640 --> 1:29:16.439 probably should have been pardoned who walked into a building, 1:29:16.840 --> 1:29:19.839 and then I think there were people who deservingly attacked 1:29:19.920 --> 1:29:22.920 Capitol police officers. Yeah, there was like this blanket party 1:29:22.960 --> 1:29:24.080 where I was like, I don't know if you should 1:29:24.080 --> 1:29:25.960 have partnered all of them, like maybe half like, because 1:29:25.960 --> 1:29:28.559 I do think that there was genuinely people. I mean, 1:29:28.600 --> 1:29:30.640 there was a dude who got arrested who shot his 1:29:30.760 --> 1:29:34.680 mixtape cover in the Capitol that day, whoa like some 1:29:34.880 --> 1:29:39.439 rapper just because he was there, and like they that's hard. Yeah, yeah, 1:29:39.800 --> 1:29:41.600 but I feel like there were people there who just 1:29:41.720 --> 1:29:43.840 like genuinely like walked in with their phones, like, oh, 1:29:43.920 --> 1:29:45.240 this is crazy, we're in the Capitol. 1:29:45.320 --> 1:29:46.880 I hate to be that guy, but like, dude, the 1:29:46.960 --> 1:29:49.200 people who should be in jail for January sixth is 1:29:49.240 --> 1:29:51.479 like Trump, if you really want to start locking people 1:29:51.560 --> 1:29:54.720 up for that, it's the people who told these these 1:29:54.880 --> 1:29:57.280 masses that the election was stolen and that they had 1:29:57.360 --> 1:29:58.760 to take their country back. Yeah. 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:01.120 I think too, is they. I think that that Trump 1:30:01.200 --> 1:30:03.800 knew it wasn't stolen. That's the problem. If Trump truly 1:30:03.880 --> 1:30:07.080 believed the election was stolen, then okay, But I don't 1:30:07.120 --> 1:30:09.439 think he truly believed the election was stolen. I think 1:30:09.479 --> 1:30:11.600 it's just like Rudy Giuliotti, by the way, he's a 1:30:11.880 --> 1:30:16.200 piece of shit, God Jesus, the most cringiest. I feel like, yeah, 1:30:16.320 --> 1:30:19.519 out of everybody from the last eight years, I should 1:30:19.640 --> 1:30:21.960 just love to see him fucking just eat shit. 1:30:22.520 --> 1:30:24.800 Fuck Rudy Giuliani. Yeah, especially because he was like a 1:30:24.880 --> 1:30:26.320 nine to eleven hero and he had. 1:30:26.240 --> 1:30:29.240 To fucked around and do this such a piece of shit, dude. 1:30:29.360 --> 1:30:31.479 Yeah, but honestly, like if you look at some of 1:30:31.560 --> 1:30:33.360 their prison sentences, some of them were just. 1:30:33.560 --> 1:30:37.040 Outrageous, outrageous and like some people like I think we're 1:30:37.080 --> 1:30:39.360 just being held without a court date all this time, 1:30:39.439 --> 1:30:42.559 and it's like, well, if this teacher like stumbled into 1:30:42.600 --> 1:30:45.000 the as long there were people who showed up with 1:30:45.080 --> 1:30:48.000 zip ties like attacked officers, that guy should be in 1:30:48.080 --> 1:30:51.719 jail for sure. He should never you know, one hundred percent. 1:30:52.240 --> 1:30:55.360 What are your thoughts on because you you have covered 1:30:55.400 --> 1:30:57.840 the Proud Boys. I know, the Proud Boys leader in 1:30:58.000 --> 1:31:01.200 Rique what's his last Enrique Tarrio, he just got pardoned. 1:31:01.280 --> 1:31:02.719 Yeah, I mean I'm close with a lot of people 1:31:02.760 --> 1:31:04.920 who got pardoned. Yeah, I mean they probably don't like 1:31:05.000 --> 1:31:08.840 me now because of the HBO documentary. Unfortunately, the way 1:31:08.880 --> 1:31:11.080 I was made to posture in that film burned a 1:31:11.120 --> 1:31:12.920 lot of bridges with the conservatives. 1:31:13.439 --> 1:31:14.759 Really yeah, yeah. 1:31:15.000 --> 1:31:15.920 They basically made me. 1:31:16.160 --> 1:31:20.360 They tried to like posture me into this like misinformation Watchdog, 1:31:20.439 --> 1:31:22.880 who was like super blue pillar that just existed to like, 1:31:23.360 --> 1:31:26.720 you know, just a Trump and exposed expose white nationalism. 1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:30.000 I'm obviously like, I will do that if that's what's 1:31:30.040 --> 1:31:33.439 happening with the They made me editorialize it so much 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:35.560 to where like I'm saying shit at the end on 1:31:35.760 --> 1:31:38.320 this director's chair monologue that I didn't have a choice 1:31:38.680 --> 1:31:42.080 a choice in where I'm saying like Enrique Tario couldn't even. 1:31:41.920 --> 1:31:45.280 Stomach the fire that he'd fueled, just like pussy as 1:31:45.400 --> 1:31:45.840 shit like that. 1:31:46.400 --> 1:31:49.200 I wonder because from when I get I one time 1:31:49.320 --> 1:31:51.640 we were in Vegas, me and my boys, and we 1:31:51.800 --> 1:31:53.439 just happened to be there the night Trump had a 1:31:54.320 --> 1:31:57.200 he had a fucking rally, And I think we're staying 1:31:57.240 --> 1:32:00.800 at Treasure Island or some Sure, we're staying some and 1:32:00.920 --> 1:32:03.840 we happen to be staying where the Proud Boys are staying. Yeah, 1:32:04.120 --> 1:32:07.080 So I'm playing Roulette and these and I'm like, real, 1:32:07.240 --> 1:32:10.599 like my boy he's like hey, He's like, I think 1:32:10.640 --> 1:32:12.320 we're surrounded by Proud boys. 1:32:12.840 --> 1:32:14.840 Where they were in Fred Perry's, they were wearing like. 1:32:15.280 --> 1:32:18.960 Polo shirts yeah, golden yellow gold yeah right yeah, And 1:32:19.040 --> 1:32:23.600 I was like, oh shit, but like what, like I 1:32:23.680 --> 1:32:25.200 want to say, only one of the dudes at the 1:32:25.320 --> 1:32:27.160 roulette table with us was actually white. 1:32:27.400 --> 1:32:28.559 Yeah, and if. 1:32:30.360 --> 1:32:33.400 Would you consider the Proud Boys. I'm not saying that 1:32:33.439 --> 1:32:35.040 I agree with anything they do because I think they're 1:32:35.080 --> 1:32:37.360 like more of like a pro masculinity group. But would 1:32:37.400 --> 1:32:40.720 you consider them a white supremacist group, because that is 1:32:40.840 --> 1:32:42.680 the Yeah, No, not at all. 1:32:42.720 --> 1:32:46.280 They're like a nationalist group, like a nationalist drinking club. 1:32:46.560 --> 1:32:48.960 They're kind of like soccer hooligans, you know what I mean, 1:32:49.000 --> 1:32:50.960 they just get fucked up together and like they yell 1:32:51.040 --> 1:32:53.720 about sports and also politics. 1:32:53.479 --> 1:32:56.639 Right, Yeah, because I remember because one of the guys 1:32:56.640 --> 1:32:58.160 who started the Proud Boys is one of the founders 1:32:58.200 --> 1:32:58.439 of Vice. 1:32:58.560 --> 1:33:00.800 Yeah, Gavin mckinnis. I think that he has some white 1:33:00.800 --> 1:33:01.839 supremacist tendencies. 1:33:02.000 --> 1:33:05.479 Yeah, he because he would dress like fucking you just 1:33:05.520 --> 1:33:08.760 see that motherfucker. Oh, he definitely he's leaning into that shit. 1:33:08.840 --> 1:33:10.680 He definitely fucks with Hitler. But I mean a lot 1:33:10.720 --> 1:33:13.240 of them, I feel like they support nationalist governments. But 1:33:13.280 --> 1:33:17.599 there's also been nationalist governments like Pinochette Pinochet and Chile. 1:33:18.000 --> 1:33:20.280 He wasn't white, right, you know, but he was still 1:33:20.320 --> 1:33:22.760 a dictator. There's been plenty of brown fascists. 1:33:23.320 --> 1:33:26.439 Yeah, I think what people you know, there's this like 1:33:26.520 --> 1:33:28.200 when we talked a little bit earlier about like kind 1:33:28.240 --> 1:33:30.880 of like the intersection of like Biden or not Biden, 1:33:30.960 --> 1:33:34.400 of Bernie and Trump. Yeah, and like I guess the 1:33:34.479 --> 1:33:38.240 quote unquote like America first approach. Yeah, and it's like 1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:43.840 it's it's it's not necessary. It's just it's not uh, 1:33:44.880 --> 1:33:47.560 it's not if it's if Bernie says it is not 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:50.920 white supremacy. Yeah, but they align even if it's on 1:33:51.040 --> 1:33:52.400 like twenty percent of that. 1:33:52.720 --> 1:33:55.000 I mean, some of the Proud Boys are like urbanized, 1:33:55.120 --> 1:33:58.120 like trendy people. I remember in twenty seventeen, I was 1:33:58.160 --> 1:34:00.240 at a bar in New York City called Mehnada, which 1:34:00.320 --> 1:34:02.519 was like this gay bar, and all the gay Proud 1:34:02.560 --> 1:34:04.040 Boys had their annual meeting there. 1:34:04.120 --> 1:34:04.960 So I walk up in there. 1:34:05.000 --> 1:34:07.320 It'saw all these like trendy gay dudes with like earrings 1:34:07.320 --> 1:34:09.439 and shit, and they're wearing the Fred Perry yellow and 1:34:09.520 --> 1:34:12.559 black polos and Maga hats, talking about you know, these 1:34:12.640 --> 1:34:15.120 gay dudes talking about how you know Trump's gonna help 1:34:15.160 --> 1:34:17.559 the gaze out because they're like gay people who don't 1:34:17.640 --> 1:34:20.360 like trans people, so they're just like raging about trans people. 1:34:20.600 --> 1:34:22.840 So I'm in there right, I'm kicking it. Was an accident, right, 1:34:22.880 --> 1:34:24.880 I'm just getting to drink. Like, they don't recognize me. 1:34:24.920 --> 1:34:27.120 So I'm just chilling and I go outside and there's 1:34:27.160 --> 1:34:28.400 like this black dude chilling out there. 1:34:28.760 --> 1:34:30.080 I look at him. I'm like, are you a gay 1:34:30.160 --> 1:34:32.680 proud boy? And he was like, what the fuck? I'm 1:34:32.720 --> 1:34:34.240 not one of those motherfuckers. And I was like, oh, 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:36.960 my bad dog. Yeah, I was joking around. He's like, 1:34:37.000 --> 1:34:37.640 you think I'm part of that. 1:34:37.640 --> 1:34:40.040 White supremacist shit. You think I'm gay too. I was like, no, 1:34:40.360 --> 1:34:41.960 I'm just joking. He was like, fuck you hoe me 1:34:42.240 --> 1:34:44.960 my back inside, and that she was. So I still 1:34:45.000 --> 1:34:46.000 think about that all the time. 1:34:46.400 --> 1:34:48.400 Is there anything you're are you? Are you plotting on 1:34:48.479 --> 1:34:50.080 trying to maybe cover like any of these part and 1:34:50.120 --> 1:34:52.800 folks to just see what you know. I'm so over 1:34:53.000 --> 1:34:54.400 I know you've said that in the documentary. 1:34:54.439 --> 1:34:56.639 You're over this shit, dude. It's not that interesting. 1:34:56.760 --> 1:34:59.559 That's the thing is, Like I'm on this platform talking 1:34:59.600 --> 1:35:01.360 about or Kelly because I worked on it for so 1:35:01.479 --> 1:35:03.839 long and I think it has some level of like relevance, 1:35:04.080 --> 1:35:06.120 and so does January sixth. But I've been like in 1:35:06.200 --> 1:35:08.800 the January sixth media realm for like four years. I 1:35:08.840 --> 1:35:10.880 want to move on to like actually cool shit, Like 1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:13.360 I got this project coming out soon about like different 1:35:13.479 --> 1:35:17.080 sovereignty movements in the US and also like endangered languages 1:35:17.120 --> 1:35:20.800 in the US, like Cajun, French, Golageechee, Navajo language, some 1:35:21.040 --> 1:35:22.639 like Alaskan dude, all types. 1:35:22.800 --> 1:35:24.040 I don't know if you've done it yet because you've 1:35:24.040 --> 1:35:26.840 done so much, but I think the I think there 1:35:27.000 --> 1:35:30.719 has to be the story of like the reservations across 1:35:31.160 --> 1:35:31.639 the country. 1:35:31.840 --> 1:35:33.000 Yeah, yeah, I've done a little bit. 1:35:33.080 --> 1:35:35.760 But like when I was that was the best thing 1:35:35.800 --> 1:35:39.240 about living in Arizona Navajo. I got super tapped in 1:35:39.320 --> 1:35:41.360 with the natives. Yeah, shout out talking about Homie Kenneth. 1:35:41.479 --> 1:35:43.599 Yeah, shouts of the natives. Man, And like it's kind 1:35:43.640 --> 1:35:48.000 of crazy, Like, you know, there's like a real fucking 1:35:48.120 --> 1:35:51.679 like if you drive through the res houses are they're 1:35:51.720 --> 1:35:55.120 fucking living on, Like it's kind of crazy how a 1:35:55.160 --> 1:35:57.880 lot of these houses are constructed. Yeah, trailer parks. There's 1:35:57.880 --> 1:35:59.600 a lot of drug use, there's a lot of alcoholism, 1:35:59.720 --> 1:36:02.080 and it's like I just feel like, you know, that's 1:36:02.160 --> 1:36:04.960 a very interesting story that needs to be told. 1:36:05.200 --> 1:36:07.879 Also, the difference is between the different reservations in Arizona. 1:36:08.040 --> 1:36:09.720 Like if you go to Cells, which is in the 1:36:09.760 --> 1:36:12.600 Tahona Odom Nation west of Tucson, that place looks like 1:36:12.640 --> 1:36:14.439 it's in the Third World country. I mean, it is 1:36:14.640 --> 1:36:17.360 broken down. You go somewhere like window Rock, which is 1:36:17.439 --> 1:36:19.960 in the Four Corners area in the Navajo Reservation, and 1:36:20.000 --> 1:36:22.000 you're like, damn, they got their shit together right for sure. 1:36:22.080 --> 1:36:24.160 And it shows how the Bureau of Indian Affairs kind 1:36:24.160 --> 1:36:26.720 of picks and shoeses where where it gets investment. And 1:36:26.880 --> 1:36:29.240 so that was the coolest shit about Arizona living there 1:36:29.360 --> 1:36:32.600 is learning about the different reservations, the cultural differences. And 1:36:32.640 --> 1:36:35.920 I'm actually producing my first ever like fictional TV show 1:36:36.160 --> 1:36:37.839 with an all native cast from Arizona. 1:36:37.880 --> 1:36:38.320 Most Oh. 1:36:38.600 --> 1:36:40.880 It's called Borders. We're still like getting the pilot done, 1:36:40.960 --> 1:36:42.120 but I play a journalist in it. 1:36:42.560 --> 1:36:43.040 And it's sick. 1:36:43.080 --> 1:36:45.599 It's about it's sort of about the tahonah Odem Reservation 1:36:45.880 --> 1:36:47.560 on the border. So it has to do with the 1:36:47.680 --> 1:36:51.160 idea of like multiple borders in one state. There's cartel characters. 1:36:51.200 --> 1:36:54.120 We got Danny Trejo's son Gilbert on that bitch. We 1:36:54.280 --> 1:36:56.599 got hell of different shit. I'm excited and so you're 1:36:56.640 --> 1:36:59.400 producing that to pitch it essentially, Yeah, yeah, I think 1:36:59.439 --> 1:37:01.400 for a TV show, I'd rather pitch it as opposed 1:37:01.439 --> 1:37:03.840 to drop it or independently. Of course, if nobody wants 1:37:03.880 --> 1:37:06.360 to take it, I'll post it on Channel five and 1:37:06.439 --> 1:37:08.160 the whole cast will be there at the end in 1:37:08.280 --> 1:37:09.280 a dark room being like. 1:37:09.560 --> 1:37:10.559 Please pick this up. 1:37:11.439 --> 1:37:16.080 It's not a bad idea. Man. Is there anything that 1:37:16.479 --> 1:37:20.559 you have besides the Chatz thing that, because of safety 1:37:20.600 --> 1:37:22.240 or because you just think it wasn't in good taste, 1:37:22.320 --> 1:37:24.519 ended up being something you decided not to release. Yeah. 1:37:24.680 --> 1:37:26.800 After the George Floyd riots, I went back to the 1:37:26.920 --> 1:37:29.479 Target and the kmart that got looted the next morning 1:37:29.600 --> 1:37:32.479 and did like a consumer research study about all the 1:37:32.560 --> 1:37:35.200 items that didn't get looted, you know. So it was like, 1:37:35.320 --> 1:37:37.080 this is a message to Target corporate, like there are 1:37:37.080 --> 1:37:39.800 certain items that you have that are so undesirable that 1:37:39.960 --> 1:37:41.920 even when it's open season, that's going to be left 1:37:41.960 --> 1:37:44.640 on the racks. And it was like Honica sweaters, and 1:37:44.800 --> 1:37:47.920 like certain game systems that like fools just would not steal. 1:37:48.120 --> 1:37:49.519 What game systems would they stay? 1:37:49.680 --> 1:37:51.680 I don't know that well, they wanted the PlayStations in 1:37:51.720 --> 1:37:53.320 the Xbox, but it was like some of the off 1:37:53.400 --> 1:37:55.719 brand VR headsets were just left right, We're just gonna 1:37:55.800 --> 1:37:58.120 leave those. Yeah, and even like beats by Dre they 1:37:58.160 --> 1:37:59.719 had some left right there, and I was like, damn. 1:38:00.040 --> 1:38:02.120 So I feel like it was important market research. And 1:38:02.200 --> 1:38:04.560 so it was called what they Didn't Loot and it 1:38:04.680 --> 1:38:07.080 was just like a you know, an item by item analysis. 1:38:07.520 --> 1:38:09.040 But then I sent it to my boss and he's like, 1:38:09.080 --> 1:38:10.960 this is a trespassing charge and I was. 1:38:10.960 --> 1:38:15.000 Like, you still keep in contact with with Kelly? 1:38:15.360 --> 1:38:15.559 Yeah? 1:38:15.800 --> 1:38:18.639 Yeah, I mean because you you got pretty emotional. Well, 1:38:18.680 --> 1:38:20.240 I would say you got emotional in the movie at 1:38:20.240 --> 1:38:21.880 a certain point. I don't want to spoil the movie, 1:38:21.960 --> 1:38:25.800 but obviously, being you know, around somebody for so long, 1:38:26.840 --> 1:38:30.160 you guys become friends, you know, yeah, how often you 1:38:30.200 --> 1:38:32.040 guys talk? And what does he think about the movie? 1:38:32.240 --> 1:38:35.880 He loves the movie, Yeah, which is relatively surprising. 1:38:36.400 --> 1:38:38.240 Yeah, because he's not. I mean, I think you end 1:38:38.320 --> 1:38:41.800 up kind of I watched that movie and I ended 1:38:41.840 --> 1:38:43.800 up like like feeling for the guy. 1:38:44.080 --> 1:38:47.040 The movie is not anti Kelly, it's not. It's also 1:38:47.240 --> 1:38:50.840 not about converting someone to becoming a liberal. No, it's 1:38:50.920 --> 1:38:53.679 just a study of family and the intersection of politics 1:38:53.720 --> 1:38:56.439 between generations with an American family that's sort of splintered 1:38:56.479 --> 1:38:56.640 by it. 1:38:58.360 --> 1:38:59.120 Yeah, he likes it. 1:39:00.120 --> 1:39:02.960 Only like I was hoping and I'm still hoping that 1:39:03.280 --> 1:39:05.800 there's kind of a breakthrough that happens after he sees it. 1:39:06.240 --> 1:39:06.400 You know. 1:39:06.439 --> 1:39:08.040 I like to think that the movie maybe is the 1:39:08.160 --> 1:39:10.439 missing piece and all of this. But he's seen it 1:39:10.600 --> 1:39:13.120 several times. He came to two different tour dates on 1:39:13.280 --> 1:39:15.880 the Channel five tour last summer, and then he also 1:39:16.280 --> 1:39:17.920 came to the premiere in Huntington Beach two and a 1:39:17.920 --> 1:39:19.479 half weeks ago, and each. 1:39:19.360 --> 1:39:22.240 Time he was kind of like hell yeah, like sick. 1:39:23.080 --> 1:39:24.000 So it's a bit confusing. 1:39:24.200 --> 1:39:27.120 I thought what I actually loved about was that he 1:39:27.280 --> 1:39:29.559 left you a voicemail when you were going through your shit. Yeah, 1:39:29.640 --> 1:39:31.519 and you play that voicemail and it was like, damn, 1:39:31.640 --> 1:39:34.240 Like this dude, he's a good dude. Yeah, Like he's 1:39:34.280 --> 1:39:34.920 not a bad guy. 1:39:35.080 --> 1:39:37.519 Like, and he's capable of giving really good advice when 1:39:37.560 --> 1:39:38.000 it matters. 1:39:38.439 --> 1:39:41.519 Yeah, And like he's obviously he's obviously a smart guy, 1:39:41.560 --> 1:39:43.479 because you don't become a lawyer and not be it. 1:39:43.600 --> 1:39:45.160 And I mean, I would say they aren't fucking idiots 1:39:45.240 --> 1:39:47.080 or lawyers. But it's like this guy had like a 1:39:47.680 --> 1:39:50.719 like when you were showing some of his like family 1:39:50.760 --> 1:39:52.840 footage with like all the animals they owned, and shit, 1:39:52.880 --> 1:39:55.240 I was like, damn, this dude really had the American dream, 1:39:55.400 --> 1:39:56.800 like fucking figure it out for real. 1:39:56.880 --> 1:39:58.400 And that's kind of one of the subtexts of the 1:39:58.479 --> 1:40:00.639 film too, is like he did achieve the American dream, 1:40:00.680 --> 1:40:03.200 and what the American dream is on paper is literally 1:40:03.560 --> 1:40:06.800 shifting classes, being able to go from a working class. 1:40:06.680 --> 1:40:09.160 Because he grew up in like I said, trailer trailer park. 1:40:09.160 --> 1:40:11.479 And boom, dude, imagine that twenty years later, after hard 1:40:11.520 --> 1:40:13.720 work and dedication, you go to Pepperdine for law and 1:40:13.760 --> 1:40:16.120 you're in Laguna Hills living like Zoe one oh one, 1:40:16.520 --> 1:40:18.760 and then boom, all of a sudden, it goes away 1:40:19.080 --> 1:40:21.240 and the American Dream breaks in front of your eyes. 1:40:21.680 --> 1:40:23.760 And especially if you're conditioned by the Reagan era with 1:40:23.840 --> 1:40:27.519 that like hyper positivity Bootstrafts mentality, that is like it 1:40:27.600 --> 1:40:29.400 might as well be the fabric of space time warping 1:40:29.439 --> 1:40:30.040 when that happens. 1:40:30.280 --> 1:40:32.920 Yeah, no, it's crazy, man. It's such a good movie, dude, people, 1:40:33.439 --> 1:40:34.880 and you know you can ran. 1:40:34.760 --> 1:40:37.439 It for five bucks, five dollars and fifty five cents. 1:40:38.200 --> 1:40:41.360 Uh yeah, I think I think everyone should check it out. 1:40:41.360 --> 1:40:44.719 I feel like, especially if you're like a fucking hardcore lefty. 1:40:45.479 --> 1:40:47.680 Yeah, because the thing is like a lot of a 1:40:47.760 --> 1:40:49.719 lot of hardcore a lot of hardcore lefties. 1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:52.560 They want to pretend like these people don't exist. 1:40:52.600 --> 1:40:54.599 Or they're not like people, like they're not like hey, 1:40:54.760 --> 1:40:57.200 like just be like, yes, they're crazy. They're holding the 1:40:57.280 --> 1:40:59.559 signs and they're on the they're screaming at you outside. 1:40:59.720 --> 1:41:01.800 But what is like that's a person at the end 1:41:01.840 --> 1:41:03.439 of the day in a backstory. 1:41:03.160 --> 1:41:05.160 A huge backstory, And in a way, this movie is 1:41:05.240 --> 1:41:07.280 kind of for them to say, Hey, if you do 1:41:07.360 --> 1:41:10.000 want a revolution, if you want a progressive future, you 1:41:10.080 --> 1:41:12.439 have to figure out how to incorporate the millions and 1:41:12.600 --> 1:41:16.080 millions of people like Kelly who have valid economic grievances, 1:41:16.280 --> 1:41:18.920 who were hypnotized by political media and are now working 1:41:19.000 --> 1:41:21.080 for the enemy as they see it. Right, you can't 1:41:21.160 --> 1:41:23.479 just have a utopian future without figuring out a path 1:41:23.760 --> 1:41:27.559 to stability and mental mental strength and solitude for these people. 1:41:27.680 --> 1:41:30.519 Not solitude mental like whatever the word is, like a 1:41:31.280 --> 1:41:33.559 you know what I mean, Like for sure, mental health services, 1:41:33.600 --> 1:41:35.040 but you know, not every Trump supporters. 1:41:35.280 --> 1:41:37.479 It's like a head case. I'm just saying no for sure. 1:41:37.400 --> 1:41:38.720 No, no, I think And then I think that's the 1:41:38.760 --> 1:41:40.560 other thing too, man is I just think like what 1:41:40.720 --> 1:41:42.760 you do is you have context and nuanced to just 1:41:42.840 --> 1:41:45.920 so many divisive issues. And I feel like, you know, 1:41:46.120 --> 1:41:49.559 if somebody watched, like you know, any of your coverage 1:41:49.600 --> 1:41:52.599 that you've had over the years, Bro, it's like it's like, Yo, 1:41:52.720 --> 1:41:55.200 there's not it's not. We're all in the gray area 1:41:55.240 --> 1:41:56.519 and we act like it's black or white. 1:41:56.880 --> 1:41:59.120 Yeah, I think there's more people in that zone than 1:41:59.600 --> 1:42:00.599 you like to think. 1:42:00.800 --> 1:42:02.280 So would you do a podcast? 1:42:02.800 --> 1:42:04.720 I'm thinking about it, bro, I'm thinking about it. But 1:42:04.840 --> 1:42:06.160 the thing that scares me about. 1:42:05.960 --> 1:42:08.839 A podcast is like you look at dudes like Stevo 1:42:09.200 --> 1:42:12.520 who have had crazy lives, but they've done a million podcasts. 1:42:12.840 --> 1:42:15.680 At some point you've told every story and the lore 1:42:15.800 --> 1:42:17.840 kind of goes away, at least for somebody like me 1:42:18.000 --> 1:42:20.920 that has a sort of like in field mystique to myself. 1:42:21.000 --> 1:42:22.600 Now that's fair, Yeah, no, that's fair. I think I 1:42:22.640 --> 1:42:24.439 think you're not overexposed personally, right. 1:42:24.479 --> 1:42:26.040 I don't want to tell people and I'm also like, 1:42:26.080 --> 1:42:28.679 I'm kind of smart, but I'm more of a listener 1:42:28.760 --> 1:42:30.960 than a talker, Like you've been in the radio, like 1:42:31.040 --> 1:42:33.600 you know what you're doing. Not saying I'm a bad podcaster, 1:42:34.000 --> 1:42:35.799 but I don't know if I have a take for everything. 1:42:36.040 --> 1:42:37.360 Yeah, and I do feel like what you do is 1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:40.240 like a version of I mean, it's all content, right, podcasts, 1:42:40.280 --> 1:42:43.960 the content of v logs, content, a mini documentaries, content Like, 1:42:44.920 --> 1:42:47.320 So I think what you do, man, is I think 1:42:47.400 --> 1:42:50.280 unless you think you're doing a podcast will add to 1:42:50.520 --> 1:42:57.600 like the overall like mission of journalism. Yeah, then you know, 1:42:58.400 --> 1:43:00.240 just double down on the ship you're doing. 1:43:00.320 --> 1:43:00.479 Yeah. 1:43:00.520 --> 1:43:02.280 One thing that I would do is like a hybrid 1:43:02.360 --> 1:43:05.479 between I guess Channel five and software Underbelly. I want 1:43:05.520 --> 1:43:08.200 to get an ambulance, buy an ambulance and kind of 1:43:08.240 --> 1:43:11.120 gut the back and turn it into a mobile studio 1:43:11.439 --> 1:43:13.720 where I can talk to just like random people, not 1:43:13.920 --> 1:43:14.320 just like. 1:43:14.520 --> 1:43:16.400 I'm gonna pull up the Yeah, I'm gonna pull up 1:43:16.439 --> 1:43:19.080 wherever sweet yeah right, kid row. It could be fucking yeah, 1:43:19.200 --> 1:43:21.240 the White Lives Matter in Huntington Beach. It could be anything. 1:43:21.280 --> 1:43:23.840 So I would do a podcast with like random people 1:43:24.360 --> 1:43:27.800 and sometimes famous people. But not just famous people, right, 1:43:28.000 --> 1:43:29.080 you know because famous. 1:43:28.760 --> 1:43:30.960 Well, you're the only person I think that's interviewed to Yeat. 1:43:31.880 --> 1:43:34.880 Actually Complex got him, which was very unfortunate, but they 1:43:34.880 --> 1:43:35.280 didn't do it. 1:43:35.360 --> 1:43:37.000 Like yeah, but I felt like, did you have like 1:43:37.080 --> 1:43:38.559 the first interview with Yeat? 1:43:38.720 --> 1:43:38.880 Yeah? 1:43:39.360 --> 1:43:42.720 Well actually our Generation Music got him before, but I 1:43:42.800 --> 1:43:44.080 had early. They were pretty early. 1:43:44.360 --> 1:43:47.160 Yeah, I had the first post blow up interview. 1:43:47.680 --> 1:43:50.400 Yeah. Year, He's I I can't wait for hip because 1:43:50.520 --> 1:43:52.479 I feel like he EA's a pretty interesting guy. Heard 1:43:52.520 --> 1:43:54.160 he owns a ton of guns. He's from Portland. 1:43:54.880 --> 1:43:57.920 Yeah, Heat's awesome, Like he's like, uh yeah, I just 1:43:57.960 --> 1:43:59.040 I want to know more about him. 1:43:59.040 --> 1:44:00.120 But he's so fucking was there. 1:44:00.360 --> 1:44:02.760 Like yeah right, and so like I want to be 1:44:02.840 --> 1:44:06.360 somewhere in between that and Steve O and Steve O'shit's cool. 1:44:06.640 --> 1:44:07.639 It's I'm not hating on Steve. 1:44:07.760 --> 1:44:08.240 Yeah, it's cool. 1:44:08.400 --> 1:44:12.160 Just saying everyone knows every story now almost for she's 1:44:12.240 --> 1:44:13.680 done a thousand podcasts. 1:44:14.320 --> 1:44:16.519 Is there anything man for you that you just want 1:44:16.560 --> 1:44:20.599 to kind of like like, Okay, let's say you had 1:44:20.680 --> 1:44:24.240 to kind of you know, twenty years from now, man, 1:44:24.240 --> 1:44:25.400 what do you do you what would you say you 1:44:25.400 --> 1:44:28.519 would want your legacy to be man, hey, man, just 1:44:28.760 --> 1:44:29.400 never fold. 1:44:30.720 --> 1:44:33.720 Yeah, just yeah, it's basically it never fold. Just hope 1:44:33.760 --> 1:44:35.800 the war. I hope we're still fighting. 1:44:36.120 --> 1:44:39.040 Yeah yeah, not the war in God's obviously no no no, 1:44:39.240 --> 1:44:39.680 but just the. 1:44:40.120 --> 1:44:43.120 War message to myself in twenty years. I hope that 1:44:43.200 --> 1:44:45.880 we're still on top, we're still doing our shit. I 1:44:45.920 --> 1:44:48.519 hope we never compromise. I hope we never sell out. 1:44:48.760 --> 1:44:50.920 I hope we never let somebody control us. I hope 1:44:50.920 --> 1:44:54.880 we never let a bureaucratic, corporate media establishment own a 1:44:55.000 --> 1:44:56.280 single percent in Channel five. 1:44:56.439 --> 1:44:59.639 And I hope that the media establishment is dead and gone. 1:45:00.240 --> 1:45:01.280 I think it's happening. 1:45:01.479 --> 1:45:02.240 Yeah, I think it. 1:45:02.360 --> 1:45:07.240 I think slowly but surely, and you know, I think 1:45:07.320 --> 1:45:09.960 it has to. Man. I just feel like, you know, 1:45:10.120 --> 1:45:13.240 CNN and all these fucks, they're all full of shit. 1:45:13.320 --> 1:45:14.360 Bro, they're full of shit. 1:45:14.479 --> 1:45:16.640 But the problem is, you know's maybe more full of 1:45:16.680 --> 1:45:19.680 shit clickbait reactionary podcasters. 1:45:19.800 --> 1:45:20.760 Oh you know what I mean. 1:45:20.800 --> 1:45:23.600 So that's the thing is you're taking one swamp and 1:45:23.640 --> 1:45:24.880 you're kind of starting a new. 1:45:25.040 --> 1:45:27.920 And it's a bigger swamp that the entry level was zero, 1:45:28.200 --> 1:45:30.960 and you can let anybody can turn a camera on. No, 1:45:31.120 --> 1:45:33.639 for sure, it's it's fucking crazy. It's crazy. 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:35.760 CNN has to get caught in a lie, you know 1:45:35.800 --> 1:45:36.200 what I'm saying. 1:45:36.800 --> 1:45:39.439 I think they've been caught in a few. I don't 1:45:39.560 --> 1:45:42.720 understand why Rogan never sued them for the They made 1:45:42.760 --> 1:45:46.479 his skin yellow, and that whole ivermectin thing was just crazy. 1:45:46.600 --> 1:45:48.920 They made his skin yellow when they put him on TV. 1:45:49.280 --> 1:45:52.360 Yes, they live in Mexico. They made him look like 1:45:52.400 --> 1:45:54.639 he was sick when he did his It was fucking crazy. 1:45:54.800 --> 1:45:55.880 Damn bro, that's whack. 1:45:56.160 --> 1:45:57.920 Yeah, no, I just they did that for real. 1:45:58.080 --> 1:45:59.240 Yes, that's unbelievable. 1:45:59.280 --> 1:46:02.040 But it's in saying and I'm like he always said, 1:46:02.040 --> 1:46:03.360 he was like, you know, I could sue him, but 1:46:03.400 --> 1:46:04.880 I just this is not worth it. I'm like, yeah, 1:46:04.880 --> 1:46:07.240 you could sue, sue somebody for putting a tent on 1:46:07.360 --> 1:46:10.040 you because they were trying to make it that. I 1:46:10.080 --> 1:46:11.760 think the whole angle of the. 1:46:11.800 --> 1:46:15.200 Story was he was sick. He's getting jaundice from ivermactin. Yeah, 1:46:15.240 --> 1:46:17.360 like that's the vibe, right, Like his skin is turning yellow, 1:46:17.400 --> 1:46:18.559 like he's going in septic shop. 1:46:18.720 --> 1:46:20.800 I guess so, man, But yeah, I think I think, man, 1:46:20.840 --> 1:46:24.200 you're doing good work, bro keep it up, and you know, 1:46:24.240 --> 1:46:25.880 I look forward to seeing you guys expand with the 1:46:25.920 --> 1:46:29.000 different correspondence you have all over the world. Any any 1:46:29.520 --> 1:46:31.439 areas you're looking, I would love to see, like somebody 1:46:31.520 --> 1:46:32.400 maybe in Africa like. 1:46:33.560 --> 1:46:35.320 There, I had a homegirl in the UH in the 1:46:35.360 --> 1:46:37.120 Democratic Republic of Congo that I. 1:46:37.120 --> 1:46:38.320 Would say Congo specifically. 1:46:38.479 --> 1:46:40.880 But our policy is if you're going to cover something, 1:46:40.960 --> 1:46:42.440 you have to be from that area. 1:46:42.240 --> 1:46:44.000 At least you know what I'm saying. I mean, that's 1:46:44.040 --> 1:46:46.519 the thing. Though it's also dangerous, like covering those fucking 1:46:47.040 --> 1:46:48.840 minds in Congo are crazy. Yeah. 1:46:48.880 --> 1:46:51.360 Well, if you're an African person who wants to work 1:46:51.400 --> 1:46:54.200 for Channel five, tap it and you're not scared by 1:46:54.280 --> 1:46:56.120 emails Andrew at Channel five dot news. 1:46:56.320 --> 1:46:58.160 There it is, my guy. I appreciate you coming through. 1:46:58.560 --> 1:46:59.320 Go get the movie. 1:46:59.400 --> 1:47:02.439 Dear Kelly to www dot Dear kellyfilm dot com five 1:47:02.479 --> 1:47:03.679 dollars fifty five cents rental. 1:47:03.800 --> 1:47:06.000 It is amazing. Buy it for fifteen dollars if you 1:47:06.040 --> 1:47:08.280 want to. Yeah, support you gotta support this guy's got 1:47:08.320 --> 1:47:08.800 lawyer fees. 1:47:08.840 --> 1:47:10.080 Support me. I need new ties. 1:47:10.080 --> 1:47:11.840 Shout to pop Eye, Shout out to pop Eye Man 1:47:12.280 --> 1:47:15.519 you know, you know loves this tie Kelly Lefty gunplay 1:47:15.560 --> 1:47:16.280 interview coming soon. 1:47:16.439 --> 1:47:20.519 Oh you interviewed Lefty? Yeah? How how off the shits 1:47:20.640 --> 1:47:21.880 was he at the time he was doing He's a 1:47:21.920 --> 1:47:22.519 good friend of mine. 1:47:22.560 --> 1:47:23.320 He was doing good. 1:47:23.520 --> 1:47:26.320 Yeah, I know he's doing Oh he's the best. Yeah, 1:47:26.400 --> 1:47:29.280 he might be the most. I mean since listen. I 1:47:29.320 --> 1:47:31.040 don't want to compare him to krypt Mac because he 1:47:31.080 --> 1:47:33.160 would hate that, But since Krip Mac, I'm not sure 1:47:33.200 --> 1:47:36.800 we've had a more entertaining personality hit. These internets agreed. 1:47:36.840 --> 1:47:39.120 Shout out to Lefty, shout out to Bootleg keV, shout 1:47:39.160 --> 1:47:41.360 out to Phoenix, shout out to Kelly, shout out to 1:47:41.439 --> 1:47:42.000 Bill Joyner. 1:47:42.000 --> 1:47:43.680 I hope you dropped Bill Joying to drop the fuck 1:47:43.720 --> 1:47:47.280 it soap bro boom my guy appreciate you rather Yeah,