Speaker 1: Yo, what's up, guys.
Speaker 2: This is Andrew Callahan from Channel five News. Check me
Speaker 2: out on the Bootleg keV podcast.
Speaker 3: Bootleg cav Podcast. Man, we got a special guest in here.
Speaker 3: This guy just dropped a new movie, an amazing documentary.
Speaker 3: He's got one of my favorite YouTube channels. He's one
Speaker 3: of my favorite journalists in the world. My guy Andrew
Speaker 3: from Channel five has officially touchdown.
Speaker 1: Man, thank you for having me on bro. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'm a big fans the coolest seeing you
Speaker 1: grow your platform in the past couple of years. So
Speaker 1: shout out to Bootleg keV. Shot out to Phoenix too.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, it's crazy because I think I want to
Speaker 3: say I first kind of found you. It was probably
Speaker 3: like twenty nineteen. It was when you were you interviewed
Speaker 3: the Joker Guy in Florida.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it made my first videos, like in the winter
Speaker 2: of twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen was like the beginning
Speaker 2: of all gas no breaks. I think my first Joker
Speaker 2: Gang interview was in the September of twenty nineteen and.
Speaker 1: Golden in Florida.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I used to live in Tampa, right, So
Speaker 3: I actually lived in Saint Pete. So I remember seeing
Speaker 3: that guy go viral when I was living there, and
Speaker 3: like it was funny to kind of like see the
Speaker 3: Florida man. Yeah, we'll talk, no crazy.
Speaker 2: So I went to Miami to find him, Like, I
Speaker 2: went to Miami first, and I was like, yo, I
Speaker 2: happened to be in Miami because I didn't want to
Speaker 2: freak him out and be like I'm coming to find it, right,
Speaker 2: So I went to Miami. I was like, Yo, what up,
Speaker 2: Joker three zero five ross Chico alive, I'm in this
Speaker 2: bitch And he was like, bro, I'm in Saint Pete.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what, How'd that happen? So I
Speaker 1: drove through the Everglades in like the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 3: People don't know that's a wild.
Speaker 1: Drive alligator alley.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: So I get to say, Pete, I go to the
Speaker 2: south side of town. I'm like, yo, I'm actually here too,
Speaker 2: you know, it just happened to be here, And he
Speaker 2: was like for real, met him at the liquor store,
Speaker 2: busted the interview at.
Speaker 3: The South side of Saint Pete's serious yeah, serious area
Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah no, So I mean, obviously you've been
Speaker 3: leveling up for a long time. Man. I want to
Speaker 3: talk about the movie real quick, because it was an
Speaker 3: emotional watch. It was kind of crazy because we like,
Speaker 3: you know, I think you did such a good job,
Speaker 3: and you do such a good job of like whatever
Speaker 3: side of politics you might be on, like humanizing everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, whether it's protesters, whether it's people who are
Speaker 3: coming over. I mean, you know, I'm i'd subscribe to
Speaker 3: your Is it a Patreon, Yeah, yeah, because I know
Speaker 3: there's Patreon and locals. Yeah, I subscribe to the pedophile
Speaker 3: beaters on the locals, the guys who beat up those
Speaker 3: guys don't play. They don't play. But no, So I like,
Speaker 3: you know, I watched your entire episodes at the Border.
Speaker 3: But you're so good at like just providing context and
Speaker 3: nuance to all these divisive issues. Yeah, which if you
Speaker 3: just consume like surface level media, that doesn't happen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know. And so with this Kelly guy, for people
Speaker 3: who don't know you were filming this guy for over
Speaker 3: four years. Without giving away too much of the movie,
Speaker 3: you kind of dive into this guy named Kelly who
Speaker 3: was a successful lawyer. Yeah, had a family, ended up
Speaker 3: losing his house. Blames it on a guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he blames it on a lender named Bill Joyner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh Bill and his whole entire like life
Speaker 3: just spirals into this like weird like like Maga sphere. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like the craziest of the crazy, like hanging out outside
Speaker 3: of abortion clinics. That's how the movie's going hard, you know,
Speaker 3: and then you know it kind of fo you end
Speaker 3: up getting close with his kids, very close. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: pretty crazy, like for you, man, like, at what point
Speaker 3: in time when you were filmed, because you also put
Speaker 3: out the HBO documentary, but at what point in time
Speaker 3: when you were kind of following Kelly, did you decide like, Okay,
Speaker 3: there we gotta we actually got to put all this
Speaker 3: together and do like a real movie and tell his story.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's just like there was over
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty hours of footage. So the first
Speaker 2: time that I met him was at the White Lives
Speaker 2: Matter rally in Huntington Beach in twenty twenty one, and
Speaker 2: the last shoot was with Uncle Pill at a skate
Speaker 2: park in Oceanside, California, three and a half weeks ago. Right,
Speaker 2: So we had a cumulative like three hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: hours of total footage, and I just looked at it
Speaker 2: all in total, and I was like, bro, we gotta
Speaker 2: do something with this.
Speaker 3: And so when when Kelly was at that like that
Speaker 3: that was the America Festival that just happened in Phoenix.
Speaker 1: It happens every like Christmas in Phoenix.
Speaker 3: But that was the one that just happened. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: that was.
Speaker 1: Filmed at the America Fest one year before.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah was it? Because I wasn't sure how
Speaker 3: soon how close it was, because I was like, I
Speaker 3: thought that thing just happened.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it was twenty twenty three, I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that all those years, you end up wrapping
Speaker 3: it up three three and a half weeks ago, and
Speaker 3: you know, I know you had kind of articulated like
Speaker 3: you wanted to kind of dive into the why. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because we have seen so many people who we deem
Speaker 3: to be like normal, be radicalized on both sides of
Speaker 3: the aisle, definitely, and there's a why, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: and for you, like, what were some of the correlations
Speaker 3: that you kind of realized were consistent.
Speaker 2: With well, like I noticed that even back in the day,
Speaker 2: like the first I guess conspiracy adjacent rallies I go to,
Speaker 2: like the flat Earth conference in Dallas, Like I would
Speaker 2: post somebody like a flat Earth are talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: Hitler having a secret city in an Antarctica and hiding
Speaker 2: the flat Earth truth that type of thing, and the
Speaker 2: comments will be like, Yo, this was my science teacher
Speaker 2: he got fired for like you know, flashing students or.
Speaker 1: Some shit like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like this is my cousin, Like he got
Speaker 2: laid off after he got hurt at work and he's
Speaker 2: never been the same. And so I noticed this like
Speaker 2: com in thread of people having a full blown collapse
Speaker 2: of their core needs like security, significant unection, all collapsing,
Speaker 2: and then they developed this like super negative worldview that's
Speaker 2: very binary as far as like I'm good, I'm a
Speaker 2: good person, and there's this like nebulous evil force that's
Speaker 2: out there, like this dark cloud that's above every hard working,
Speaker 2: red blooded American patriot. It is just trying to sap
Speaker 2: all the life force out of us. And a political
Speaker 2: movement comes around kind of picks up on that angst
Speaker 2: and gives them a way to channel their personal situation
Speaker 2: into a greater spiritual war in the country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty crazy too, because it really makes sense
Speaker 3: if you because it gives you you know, it's so
Speaker 3: easy to not have accountability. Yeah, And I think what
Speaker 3: was dope about the movie is by you know, by
Speaker 3: the end of the movie, it seems like this guy
Speaker 3: ended up taking some accountability.
Speaker 2: A little bit, Yeah, a little bit at a little
Speaker 2: bit without spoiling the whole shit. Like a lot of
Speaker 2: people watch the movie and they see the ending and
Speaker 2: they're disappointed. But I'm like, dude, if you look at
Speaker 2: the very beginning to the end of the movie, that's
Speaker 2: a different guy for sure. He's probably not doing like
Speaker 2: the TLC intervention ninety days later thing where they're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm healed, but he's significantly less angry.
Speaker 2: He's let aside some personal resentments. But yeah, you're right, bro,
Speaker 2: Like it's way easier to live in your own self
Speaker 2: mythology and have a heroic narrative about your own life
Speaker 2: as opposed to acknowledging like different shortcomings and saying, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm gonna do this better in the future
Speaker 2: and keep pushing.
Speaker 3: And like the other thing too, is like, you know,
Speaker 3: if there is like a thread of like validity to
Speaker 3: an issue, and not even necessarily a threat because I
Speaker 3: think with the immigration issue, obviously the border was out
Speaker 3: of control. Yeah, you know, this is a question, This
Speaker 3: is a fact. But it also gives a lot of
Speaker 3: people who are in situations in their lives to point
Speaker 3: the finger at somebody like I have the villain in
Speaker 3: my story as to why I might not be doing better.
Speaker 3: Is it because of immigrants? It is because of you
Speaker 3: know xyz And this is on both sides, you know,
Speaker 3: but it's like very very you know. To me, what
Speaker 3: I've realized is a lot of these folks who are
Speaker 3: like radicalize there, they're really radicalized because they need a villain, yeah,
Speaker 3: and they need a purpose. Like look, it's kind of
Speaker 3: like being a crip for a blood.
Speaker 2: And what's crazy about it is like when you look
Speaker 2: at these conservative events, especially like in the magosphere, you
Speaker 2: can have like a bitcoin libertarian who drinks ayahuasca and
Speaker 2: smokes weed five times a day sitting next to somebody
Speaker 2: who is a non psycho or a pro life evangelical
Speaker 2: Christian who like actually believes that marijuana was created by
Speaker 2: the devil to make white women have interracial children.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the then diagram with people that go is insane.
Speaker 2: And they're like, all we both fuck with Trump, it's
Speaker 2: all good, Whereas on the other side, the liberal side,
Speaker 2: you can't even have a group of five without them
Speaker 2: tearing each other down for dumb shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like, you know, I'm an old school liberal,
Speaker 3: like I voted for Bernie. I'm I'm you know, I
Speaker 3: guess I would be. As you know, I'm pretty aligned
Speaker 3: with Bernie Sanders on mostly everything.
Speaker 1: I same here.
Speaker 3: I think he got fucked over. I mean I don't
Speaker 3: think I know, and.
Speaker 1: We're paying for that now.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. But but like you said, you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's frustrating because I think over the last I would
Speaker 3: say some COVID right, like you're really not allowed to
Speaker 3: step out of line as a liberal on any issue whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Like I'm super pro trans rights, super pro trans rights.
Speaker 3: I think it's fucked up that Trump just spanned them
Speaker 3: from the military. I also think it's like a serious
Speaker 3: conversation to say, like, hey, when it comes to sports,
Speaker 3: like that's a conversation like combat sports, Yeah, we should
Speaker 3: have Like it doesn't make sense not to say that.
Speaker 3: It's like like maybe there's a trans fighting league.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that'd be the best league.
Speaker 3: I'll be like, it's like if you just step out
Speaker 3: a little bit, it's like you get fucking thrown. Like
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, I remember during the pandemic. I mean
Speaker 3: I was spooked, man. I was masked up the whole time.
Speaker 3: Uh for like the first four or five months. Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe even the first three months, but I was wearing
Speaker 3: gloves and ship at the gas. But I remember, like
Speaker 3: I remember Joe Rogan had this doctor name not not
Speaker 3: not not the guy who looks like Kenny Rogers Andrew something,
Speaker 3: but he was like one of the guys who he
Speaker 3: was like like the most published cardiac cardiovascular doctor in
Speaker 3: agg of all time. And they were just talking about
Speaker 3: like you know, the vaccine and like all these alternative things,
Speaker 3: and I remember just bringing up like not even like
Speaker 3: knowing for sure, I just remember bringing some shit up
Speaker 3: in front of my cousin and he was like, are
Speaker 3: you fucking Magan now?
Speaker 1: Bro? Oh shit?
Speaker 3: And I was like what, of course not, what are
Speaker 3: we talking about? And it was like this thing where
Speaker 3: like you couldn't even like question what was going on
Speaker 3: with like some of the like alternative like treatments that
Speaker 3: were available for COVID or even just like the lab
Speaker 3: leak theory, and it just I feel like COVID, like
Speaker 3: we were already super divided from like twenty sixteen oneh
Speaker 3: Q none was cracking, like all this crazy shit was happening.
Speaker 3: But I feel like between like COVID and you know,
Speaker 3: the BLM, you know, George Floyd riots like it just
Speaker 3: I feel like we all just got thrown into a blender.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like also the social policing that COVID created,
Speaker 2: especially in more liberal spaces, made it so conservatives became
Speaker 2: the new counterculture. Like I remember before George Floyd popped
Speaker 2: off in May, there was those two months where the
Speaker 2: only thing that I was covering was freedom rallies. So
Speaker 2: like I remember watching you go to Sturgis. Yeah, Sturgis
Speaker 2: was sick. I went to a Sacramento capital they had.
Speaker 2: This is before the vaccine, so it was just called
Speaker 2: a freedom rally. It was like an anti lockdown protest.
Speaker 2: And dude, like conservative reuniting is like we're going against
Speaker 2: the government, like we're not gonna take it. And before
Speaker 2: then the conservatives were like all about the government narrative.
Speaker 3: And it's funny because when you I mean, obviously I
Speaker 3: don't hold you are, but it's like I feel like,
Speaker 3: prior to COVID, like liberals were supposed to be like yeah, anti.
Speaker 1: Government, yeah, and now they're an anti war and they
Speaker 1: were supporting the censorship of like everybody on social media.
Speaker 2: And now you see what that did. It just pushed
Speaker 2: everybody into tighter echo chambers. And now looks at Trump's
Speaker 2: in office, and.
Speaker 3: Then it pushed everybody because, like you said, if the
Speaker 3: counterculture to something that makes no sense is just the right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And because I've noticed so many people who I know
Speaker 3: who supported Bernie Sanders, I mean people who donate money
Speaker 3: to Bernie Sanders vote for Trump. Yeah, Like there's like
Speaker 3: this weird like who would have thought like that would
Speaker 3: ever be a thing. But it's like, well if the
Speaker 3: other if the option is you know, people kind of
Speaker 3: pick their poison. Yeah, have you noticed that?
Speaker 2: Like definitely, I mean, especially if you think about it now.
Speaker 2: It's crazy to me that Trump ran on this platform
Speaker 2: of like eliminating the deep state bureaucracy, so like the
Speaker 2: DNC and CNN and the media, but now he has
Speaker 2: like a private army of tech oligarchs as his advisor.
Speaker 1: So it's so crazy.
Speaker 2: But going back to a point that I wanted to
Speaker 2: make too, A lot of people watch Dear Kelly and
Speaker 2: they say, Yo, why don't you make a movie.
Speaker 1: About the liberal equivalent of Kelly? And I just want
Speaker 1: to say that does exist.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that, like radical hardcore liberalism is
Speaker 2: created by need collapse. I think it's actually created by
Speaker 2: an oversaturation of court needs. Like people who have everything
Speaker 2: that they need and they're doing so well, they feel bad,
Speaker 2: especially if they participate in gentrification and they're pushing people
Speaker 2: out of neighborhoods like Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: Like I go back, white guilt is.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just paralyzing for them.
Speaker 2: And so I think most like extreme libs that I've seen,
Speaker 2: they come from more conservative families. They come from the suburbs,
Speaker 2: they moved to this city. I grew up in this city,
Speaker 2: so I didn't grow up around any like hard core liberals.
Speaker 1: But there's a correlation.
Speaker 2: The most gentrified neighborhoods in America is where you see
Speaker 2: the most hardcore liberals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. It's funny too, because you know, I
Speaker 3: do a radio show. My co host is James Jefferson,
Speaker 3: who's a big TikTok personality, black guy. But he always
Speaker 3: says he's like yo man. Like most of the time
Speaker 3: there's like a someone like super pissed off or like
Speaker 3: triggered by something in the news that isn't that big
Speaker 3: of a deal. It's always like a white one.
Speaker 1: Always, it's always a white lady.
Speaker 2: During during COVID, during the protest movement, I came into group.
Speaker 2: I came into contact with a group in Portland, Oregon
Speaker 2: called the White Body Shields. And what they would do
Speaker 2: is they would go and all in bulletproof armor to
Speaker 2: black neighborhoods and they would approach older black women usually
Speaker 2: and say, hey, do you need me to walk you
Speaker 2: to the bus stop? Do you need me to walk
Speaker 2: you to the girl store? Just in case a policeman
Speaker 2: tries to kill you, I want to make sure that
Speaker 2: I can be a physical barrier and take those bullets
Speaker 2: for you. And people will be like, no, what the fuck,
Speaker 2: get away from me. But they'd be like, you don't understand.
Speaker 2: This is a divisive time and you're being hunted down
Speaker 2: in the streets.
Speaker 3: You know. It's funny too because I saw this video
Speaker 3: and obviously it was on Twitter, but it was a
Speaker 3: it was like, uh, you know, there's this this this
Speaker 3: overall discussion about like voter ID, and it seems like
Speaker 3: most of the people who are against voter ID are
Speaker 3: like liberal white people and they go through the hood
Speaker 3: and they ask people like, hey, do you got an ID?
Speaker 3: And they're like yeah, what the fuck? Like they're like
Speaker 3: are you sure? Are you sure? And it's because it's
Speaker 3: like the argument is like, well, you know, there's certain
Speaker 3: minority communities where it's almost impossible for them to have
Speaker 3: an ID. And it's like it's like it's almost like
Speaker 3: that Democratic lady who said something about the kids in
Speaker 3: the Bronx like they've never seen a computer BeO.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they don't even know what computers are.
Speaker 3: It's like, lady, these kids could there they have an iPhone. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're better at computers than we're seventeen. Yeah, like they
Speaker 3: know how to fucking make They know cap cut better
Speaker 3: than all of us.
Speaker 1: The kids of today are crazy. Bro.
Speaker 2: I had a cousin, My little cousin. He wakes up
Speaker 2: on Christmas morning before opening his own presence to watch
Speaker 2: his favorite streamer unbox their gifts, and he's more stoked
Speaker 2: about like what they're gonna get He's like in the
Speaker 2: chat being like L gift, W gift.
Speaker 1: So by the time his parents.
Speaker 2: Are like Santa came, He's like, I don't give a
Speaker 2: I got fuck your socks, mom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sh it's funny.
Speaker 2: So the point is the kids from the Bronx to
Speaker 2: the Hamptons, they know about the phone and the computer.
Speaker 3: They know computers. Yeah. No, it's interesting too, man, because
Speaker 3: I think with the movie, like, you know, for me,
Speaker 3: it was just like showing like how his daughter because
Speaker 3: he has a lesbian daughter, right, Kelly has a lesbian daughter,
Speaker 3: and just showing how like, by the way, his kid's badass.
Speaker 1: His son is outside, Kyle's outside, Yeah, he's fucking fucking
Speaker 1: you're talking about his party? Yeah, Like it was a
Speaker 1: tight party.
Speaker 3: But it was just dope to kind of see the
Speaker 3: perspective of like how how you know kids are affected
Speaker 3: and the fact like his he showed up to a
Speaker 3: protest with his dad, I thought was like the nicest thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, like, hey dude, this is what he's into.
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna show up like I'm I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, like, yeah.
Speaker 2: That scene definitely was emotionally impactful for me because I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 2: the links that he'll go to connect with his pops.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people can relate to that
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 3: For sure, man Bill Joyner is suing you. Yeah, for
Speaker 3: people like he's the boogeyman of this film allegedly, allegedly,
Speaker 3: allegedly he's the And I'm like, to be fair, you
Speaker 3: did not paint him as the boogeyman.
Speaker 2: That's what I think. And I try and tell him that,
Speaker 2: I try to tell him.
Speaker 3: You you kind of showed the world that hey, this
Speaker 3: guy's this guy didn't really any doing wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the lawsuit was filed before the film even
Speaker 1: came out.
Speaker 3: You're kind of hoping he's seen the movie maybe eases
Speaker 3: up a little.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I think that him and his lawyer, from what I
Speaker 2: can see by the court filings, they think that we
Speaker 2: are like, you know, big, that we're on Kelly's exact team,
Speaker 2: and then we're corroborating his narrative about the home foreclosure,
Speaker 2: right but in reality, which is not the case.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: So the actual lawsuit says violation of the Federal Wiretap Act,
Speaker 2: like he thought we were tapping his phone lines. It
Speaker 2: says stalking, emotional distress, like we weren't stalking him or anything, right,
Speaker 2: or I mean emotional distress.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't think.
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, no, no. So are you worried about
Speaker 3: the lawsuit at all?
Speaker 1: Of course?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2: Mean thankfully, like we filed an anti slap motion. It's
Speaker 2: like something basically where if someone sues you for defamation
Speaker 2: or whatever, you can do a slap An anti slap motion,
Speaker 2: which is like slapp basically means like it's within my
Speaker 2: rights as a documentary filmmaker to share someone's perspective even
Speaker 2: if you disagree with it.
Speaker 3: And you knew that this lawsuit was already kind of
Speaker 3: in motion and still decided to release the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the judge dismissed what's called oral argument. So
Speaker 2: that's like when they expect both attorneys to show up
Speaker 2: and make their case and is deliberating for like one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty day period or something, right, So what
Speaker 2: that tells me is that the judge has kind of
Speaker 2: made up her mind to the point that she didn't
Speaker 2: even want to hear from my.
Speaker 1: Lawyer or Bill's lawyer. It makes sense, So.
Speaker 2: I won't know if she's team Bill or Team Channel
Speaker 2: five for like at least ninety day.
Speaker 3: Damn, dude, that's crazy. Yeah, well, good luck. Thanks.
Speaker 1: I mean it's gonna be fine.
Speaker 3: Like I think, I think too, like I think this
Speaker 3: movie like because I know you had opened the movie
Speaker 3: kind of explaineding like hey, you know, because I thought
Speaker 3: the HBO documentary was amazing, thank you, But it was
Speaker 3: crazy to see like like even like then, like you
Speaker 3: had to kind of like you know, you're playing by
Speaker 3: the rules a bit when you're doing something with a
Speaker 3: big partner like that, and so this was like straight
Speaker 3: to straight to the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I finished the movie, Dear Kelly, one
Speaker 2: day before it came out, Like I did a final
Speaker 2: color and sound pass and put the right songs on
Speaker 2: like literally the day before it came out.
Speaker 3: So crazy.
Speaker 2: In comparison, the HBO film was picture locked, so finished
Speaker 2: without color and audio nine months before the release date.
Speaker 3: Damn, do you feel like this is kind of the
Speaker 3: new way? Because I mean you're doing well, right. It
Speaker 3: sold a lot, you know, I saw some I think,
Speaker 3: you know, it broke some records.
Speaker 1: I think we got one hundred thousand in sales in
Speaker 1: the first weekend.
Speaker 3: Which is amazing.
Speaker 2: Which is like a record since Connie twenty twelve for
Speaker 2: a direct to streamer direct to consumer streaming video.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like that because because at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, you put so much work into like
Speaker 3: some of some of these videos you do, which is
Speaker 3: why I think it's important to support the Patreon. Yeah, thanks,
Speaker 3: because you put a ton of work. Bro, Like this
Speaker 3: is like real journalism, Like we like people will see
Speaker 3: shit on the news, you're actually like going to wherever
Speaker 3: it's happening and yeah and finding out what is going on.
Speaker 1: In the field. And we really have no bosses.
Speaker 2: A lot of people they masquerade is being independent, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean because you see him on the
Speaker 2: street with the you know, but they did I'm with
Speaker 2: Vice I journey right, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like we're actually like not beholden to anybody, which is
Speaker 2: why they don't like us.
Speaker 3: Think, by the way, thank you for not like doing
Speaker 3: like cringey weird shit like Vice used to do, Like
Speaker 3: I did Heroin for thirty days straight. This is what happened.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy though, bro, is that Vice.
Speaker 2: When I was a youngster, I'm twenty, well back in
Speaker 2: the day, it was amazing so sick. So I always
Speaker 2: say when people talk shit about Vice, I'm like, yes,
Speaker 2: WECE makes some pretty ass shit nowadays.
Speaker 1: However, it used to be the ship back when they
Speaker 1: would go to the Congo.
Speaker 2: Dude General Button, remember that, or even the David Show
Speaker 2: series Thumbs Up America. Like, without that series, I probably
Speaker 2: wouldn't hitchhiked across the US, I probably wouldn't have made
Speaker 2: a videos.
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have been here.
Speaker 3: That shit's crazy.
Speaker 2: They made journalism cool again before Advice, I don't think
Speaker 2: there was anybody actually pushing the envelope except for like
Speaker 2: Louis Thorreau in the UK with BBC. But like, journalism
Speaker 2: wasn't like badass until Vice. Do you care about like
Speaker 2: being accepted? Like, you know, there's so many people who
Speaker 2: a quote unquote journalists that are mainstream. Do you care
Speaker 2: about their acceptance or like being seen as like a
Speaker 2: peer of them?
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't like journalists like that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just don't think I don't want to be accepted by
Speaker 1: journalism or you know, they already don't fuck with me, right,
Speaker 1: they never fucked with me, right, They're never going to.
Speaker 1: So even if I wanted to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to, you know, have a bunch
Speaker 2: of friends at the Associated Press and sit down with
Speaker 2: some MSNBC fund It's like, you.
Speaker 1: Think they would fuck with me. No, but that's because
Speaker 1: we're outsiders.
Speaker 3: Trump's press secretary this morning, we just saw it before
Speaker 3: you walked in, actually said that the White House press
Speaker 3: credentials are o been to anyone who has a YouTube channel,
Speaker 3: TikTok account, a Twitter account that has a following and
Speaker 3: it does news based content.
Speaker 1: Wow, I should apply.
Speaker 3: No, they just posted the website today.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Yeah, we should apply.
Speaker 3: So I think you should apply because I think you
Speaker 3: could ask some questions in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually good questions. And I also feel like,
Speaker 2: at the same time, though, that could be bad if
Speaker 2: they reject people based upon like the pressure, if they
Speaker 2: packed the room with just right wing influencers, right, if
Speaker 2: it's just like fucking Charlie Kirk and you know, yeah, whoever,
Speaker 2: they're just glazers, just glazers.
Speaker 3: Jesus. It is crazy too, though, because it's almost like
Speaker 3: the extreme left getting soaked wild has kind of like
Speaker 3: commercialized so many of these guys on the right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: to the point where it's like, you know, if you
Speaker 3: think about like Charlie Kirk or or you know, like
Speaker 3: my kids, Like my son's a mixed kid. He's fucking
Speaker 3: eleven years old and he's seen the kids that dos tiktoks.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean, Like it's it's it's
Speaker 3: almost like do you feel like because of because you know,
Speaker 3: I had this conversation with a friend of mine and
Speaker 3: I was like, there's always like a pendulum like swinging right.
Speaker 3: It was like, yo, there wasn't anything Trump could have
Speaker 3: done in twenty twenty to win, Like they could have
Speaker 3: ran a fucking they could have ran anybody against him
Speaker 3: and he would have lost.
Speaker 1: Oh totally.
Speaker 3: And I feel the same way about like I don't
Speaker 3: think there was probably now again there's the Bernie card,
Speaker 3: but they would never play that Bernie card because it
Speaker 3: isn't you know, but or like someone in that same
Speaker 3: vein that speaks to working class Americans Like honestly, but
Speaker 3: I feel like this Trump thing, it was just like
Speaker 3: a very predictable, like you could feel the pendulum swinging yeah,
Speaker 3: like in real I was like, yo, like I just
Speaker 3: don't see.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's because so many young dudes like shifted
Speaker 2: right because of these like progressive new standards, especially on
Speaker 2: college campuses, with like this hardcore identity politics banging where
Speaker 2: like that's more important than class, like those issues, like
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what your idea is if as long
Speaker 2: as you are like a certain position on the privilege hierarchy,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: Able to say anything. And I get the point.
Speaker 2: What they're trying to do is like give people who
Speaker 2: are marginalized like a chance to speak. But what that
Speaker 2: does to somebody who might feel like a young white
Speaker 2: dude with a good idea is he's like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm well intentioned, and I'm being basically exiled for speaking
Speaker 2: my mind because of how I look. I'm going to
Speaker 2: go to Turning Point, USA, where they're gonna give me
Speaker 2: exactly exactly what I want, you know. And so unfortunately
Speaker 2: a lot of the progressive new standards have alienated a
Speaker 2: ton of young people, especially dudes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've noticed that. It's like a lot of like
Speaker 3: young dudes, man are just like, you know, they they
Speaker 3: fucking they and Trump went to all their platforms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, you know.
Speaker 3: And like to me, like if Kamala would have just
Speaker 3: like that. The one thing about Kamala that I just
Speaker 3: could not I just could not wrap my head around
Speaker 3: is whoever was running her campaign they just refused to
Speaker 3: put her in uncomfortable situations where she had to talk
Speaker 3: off the script. Yeah, and it would be like, man,
Speaker 3: if I could have just seen like this was a
Speaker 3: human being for like an hour, like a human. Hey.
Speaker 1: The one thing that she did that did have some
Speaker 1: good impact is you know the front Horachi's and Phoenix. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Mahomie Renee is the chef there. She went three
Speaker 1: days before election day to Phoenix and had like a
Speaker 1: Sonora and Sarne. I remember some type of food like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just I just like I was just waiting
Speaker 3: for her to, like, you know, when she did like
Speaker 3: club Shaysha, I was like, oh, like even if she
Speaker 3: would have did like you know, even the breakfast club thing,
Speaker 3: like I wish you would did it a one on
Speaker 3: one with Charlemagne and not like a you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why they didn't do that. They're
Speaker 1: just so tapped out.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I'm saying it's karmaic retribution for them,
Speaker 2: kind of like kicking Bernie Sanders out the picture, because
Speaker 2: Bernie would have talked to the youth. Bernie would have
Speaker 2: gone on every he actually did. He went on Theovon,
Speaker 2: he went on like Joe Rogan back in the day,
Speaker 2: all these platforms where Trump was able to speak directly
Speaker 2: to the youth and stuff, or not even just the youth,
Speaker 2: but just like ages, you know, eighteen to forty.
Speaker 3: And the other thing too, is like I think if
Speaker 3: you're a Democrat and you're watching the last week of
Speaker 3: Trump in office, however you feel about whatever he's doing,
Speaker 3: it like shows you how ineffective our politicians are so bad, dude, Like, yo,
Speaker 3: if this guy can come in and make a fucking
Speaker 3: spectacle out of signing these executive orders, whether or not
Speaker 3: they stick or not, like you know, the birthright ship,
Speaker 3: like that's a Supreme Court issue. Yeah, but it's like
Speaker 3: performative for his base. Yeah. Like, dude, if you're fucking
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, on day one, you signed the executive order
Speaker 3: for for you know, the George Foyd Police Act. You
Speaker 3: sign an executive order to try to like you just
Speaker 3: you just do some shit to make us feel a
Speaker 3: little better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like everything is so hard with a Democrat.
Speaker 3: But it's like this motherfucker's up here turning ship up
Speaker 3: and bro.
Speaker 2: Honestly, like, if you think about it, I see why
Speaker 2: people view Trump as like an underdog counterculture icon. For sure,
Speaker 2: deployed every single thing they could in the media to
Speaker 2: take him down for years, and the law and the
Speaker 2: and the law system, dude, the law system. Every late
Speaker 2: night TV show became like a Trump mockery platform. Jimmy Cammel,
Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert, they literally threw their entire integrity out the
Speaker 2: window and became DNC mouthpieces.
Speaker 3: I can't even for fucking years, I can't even watch it, dude.
Speaker 3: I I fully because I grew up a Democrat. My
Speaker 3: parents are Democrat, my grandma's Democrat, and fucking I am
Speaker 3: a fucking When I registered in California because I moved
Speaker 3: from Azy to Cali, Yeah, registered as an independent. I
Speaker 3: don't want no side by both sides.
Speaker 2: Bro, Like the crazy gas lighting is like if you
Speaker 2: don't vote for Kammell or you're voting for Trump, It's like,
Speaker 2: oh whatever, Bro.
Speaker 3: This is what I told everybody because I was an
Speaker 3: RFK guy during because I liked a lot of his
Speaker 3: ideas about UH food and censorship, and you know, I
Speaker 3: hated his stance with the Israel stance, but I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: when I'm talking, while I was talking to my friends,
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, they're like no, but it's a
Speaker 3: it's a wasted vote, And I'm like, dude, this is
Speaker 3: the brainwashing over hundreds of years that has been programmed
Speaker 3: into us that will never allow us to have another alternative. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because you know that there's a third party candidate that
Speaker 3: is much better than either being offered. But because you're
Speaker 3: you think you're throwing it's your vote.
Speaker 1: You owe your vote definitely, Like vote with your conscious.
Speaker 3: That's like to me, like I knew, Like like I'm like, yo,
Speaker 3: like if you feel any type of way about Palestine,
Speaker 3: like vote for Jill Stein and know you voted with
Speaker 3: your heart and your conscious and neither side deserved your vote.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: Honestly, if Kamala Harris would have said, like I'm pro
Speaker 2: Palestine or at least I supported two state solutions, she
Speaker 2: would have won the election.
Speaker 3: Fucking rolled Bill Clinton out in Michigan to chastise fucking
Speaker 3: Muslim Americans to their fucking face. Yeah, it was the.
Speaker 2: Craziest shit, and a campaigned with Liz Cheney I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's exactly.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being on the.
Speaker 2: Fence and being like, oh shit, well Dick Cheney's wife
Speaker 2: fucks with Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3: And to me, that's where they just lost me due
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. And I'm just like, so
Speaker 3: we're like, legit the War Party now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But honestly, dude, if you think about it, this in
Speaker 2: the long run, twenty twenty eight is going to be
Speaker 2: a great year because we're gonna have fresh primaries on
Speaker 2: both sides. The Democratic Party is totally done.
Speaker 1: They're never going to rematerialize.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have new progression maybe new Conservative candidate, right, oh,
Speaker 2: they're done.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't. I think that they're so
Speaker 3: ignorant on the left. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: At least we're going to get new people.
Speaker 3: I hope.
Speaker 1: So we are gonna get new people.
Speaker 3: I hope that they find whoever that is.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get new Conservatives and new progressives, Like twenty
Speaker 2: twenty eight is going to be that year.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna up being Jade Vance and Vivic.
Speaker 2: I think that'll be the Yeah, we need new dynasties
Speaker 2: like Bro Biden was Obama's vice president. Does nobody think
Speaker 2: that's fucking weird? That's insane? Hillary Clinton is Bill Clinton's wife.
Speaker 3: It's just Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: It was on the Apprentice, like all these fools are
Speaker 2: already entrench, Like when can we get a Bernie Sanders
Speaker 2: Vermont will rise again?
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, Yeah, no, I don't even know who the
Speaker 3: new Bernie is. Honestly, that has like actual power, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I guess AOC, but she kind of
Speaker 3: sold out a lot of her you know, a lot
Speaker 3: of her free will. For I would say AOC was
Speaker 3: the most disappointing the last couple of years because she
Speaker 3: kind of like chowse up with a couple of times
Speaker 3: and I was like, who, anyway, you have done so
Speaker 3: many crazy like you've literally been in the shits whatever.
Speaker 3: Uh you know issue that's arisen in pop culture, in
Speaker 3: the news, your front lines on is there a situation
Speaker 3: in which you were the most scared for your safety?
Speaker 2: That's the thing, bro, I don't think so it's weird,
Speaker 2: Like I get scared when I watched the footage after
Speaker 2: Like when I was at the stash house in Philadelphia
Speaker 2: with the dudes who are manufacturing fucking insane.
Speaker 3: That was also when I insane.
Speaker 1: In the moment. I'm not scared because I'm so like
Speaker 1: focused on getting the video.
Speaker 3: And like those guys were manufacturing trank.
Speaker 2: Trank which is a combination of xylazine which is horse tranquilizer,
Speaker 2: and fentanyl. So basically it makes it so like trank
Speaker 2: is really cheap and also makes a it's a tranquilizer,
Speaker 2: so you can have a bag of fentanyl that's like
Speaker 2: one quarter fent one quarter three quarters trank, and it's
Speaker 2: gonna hit basically the same, just have a little bit
Speaker 2: more of like tranquilizing effect so that you can make
Speaker 2: a bunch of money. And xylazine is maybe one hundred
Speaker 2: times cheaper than fentanyl, and you can buy it legally
Speaker 2: from Chinese manufacturers, like in powder form on WhatsApp. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I don't want to give too much game. Don't manufacture
Speaker 2: a trank if you're watching this. But anyways, I watched
Speaker 2: the footage back and I was like, bro, what the
Speaker 2: fuck was I doing? You're hopping the border. I'm not
Speaker 2: scared in the moment, but then I'm looking back at
Speaker 2: the footage and I think, damn, like I should have
Speaker 2: been scared, you know. But it's moments like that where
Speaker 2: I need to realize that I am relatively fearless. But
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that I shouldn't do dumb shit, right.
Speaker 3: Ye know, that was a wild episode. It's funny because actually,
Speaker 3: you know that hit close to home recently, my son's
Speaker 3: mom passed away in Philadelphia from an overdose.
Speaker 1: Damn rest in peace man.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but I mean it was fentanyl for sure.
Speaker 3: But that trank shit, it hasn't hit LA yet.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's pretty crazy that it hasn't because it's
Speaker 2: hit Baltimore, has a HITD Atlanta, it's Baltimore, DC.
Speaker 1: In Boston.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a people's like limbs get swollen up
Speaker 2: and yeah, so if you miss a van with the
Speaker 2: trank like this condition can happen called necrotizing fasciitis, which
Speaker 2: is a flesh eating bacterial disease or something like that.
Speaker 2: So it literally consumes your limbs and if you don't
Speaker 2: treat it within the first four to five days, amputation
Speaker 2: is the only option, or it can spread to your
Speaker 2: heart and you get sepsis and you really can't survive that.
Speaker 2: So there's this this this problem that many groups in
Speaker 2: Philadelphia have the harm reduction communities where they're like, yo,
Speaker 2: how do we get these people off the streets into
Speaker 2: the hospital immediately?
Speaker 1: And they're withdrawing from dope.
Speaker 2: So like it's just really difficult because you don't have
Speaker 2: to you can't kidnap people. You have to ask them
Speaker 2: to go to treatment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that Kensington area is so.
Speaker 2: But it's tough because if you go to somebody whose
Speaker 2: arm is falling off and you say, like, bro, you
Speaker 2: have to go to the hospital, and they say no,
Speaker 2: they're they're adult.
Speaker 1: Free human beings. Can't make somebody do something, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's crazy you h You went into the Chaz area too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I'm from Capitol Hill, Seattle. I would say that
Speaker 3: that's where you're from.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I grew up in Philly in Fair Mountain,
Speaker 1: North Philly. So I was ten.
Speaker 2: My dad was a big grunge fan and he worked
Speaker 2: in the tech end streets. So we moved out to Yeah,
Speaker 2: we moved to Capitol Hill and that's like where Chaz was.
Speaker 2: So that that like that corner Tenth and Pike call
Speaker 2: Anderson Park.
Speaker 1: I grew up like in that neighborhood.
Speaker 3: That's your area.
Speaker 2: So I'm in I'm in Minneapolis right where the actual
Speaker 2: riots popped off, like by Lake Street on the south side.
Speaker 2: And I get a call and someone says, Yo, the
Speaker 2: cops just ran out of the precinct. They abandoned the
Speaker 2: precinct in Capitol Hill. You know, the cops just gave
Speaker 2: it to the protesters.
Speaker 1: I was like what. And so there was a four block.
Speaker 2: Radius initially called the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone and then
Speaker 2: became Capitol Hill Organized Protest. And I was actually there
Speaker 2: basically the entire time, living in a tent. However, the
Speaker 2: footage was never released. M why not, because bro, he's
Speaker 2: embarrassing on some home, on some hometown ship.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was bad, okay. So there was three phases. Phase
Speaker 1: one was like spirit of the Revolution, like Fidel Castro,
Speaker 1: like the people will rise up. Phase two was like
Speaker 1: burning man.
Speaker 2: You have fools coming in on Greyhound buses from northern California,
Speaker 2: Eugene I called the Republic of Islam. That's southern Oregon,
Speaker 2: northern California. Are still slapping Max Dre like they just
Speaker 2: found out about it. And so people are pulling up
Speaker 2: like ooh, so folds are pulling up like you have
Speaker 2: drum circles. People are setting up stages, they're doing dubstep sets,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then the initials Viva a Revolution. Young crowd is like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck fuck these books.
Speaker 2: They start beefing it, and then so they start kind
Speaker 2: of canceling each other for different shit.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, people are living there like they have their apartment
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 2: And then week three, the you know, the trappers, the
Speaker 2: hoods in Seattle, like in the South End and Tacoma,
Speaker 2: start figuring out that the cops aren't coming there, so
Speaker 2: they have all their their their fiends go from downtown
Speaker 2: in different areas to Capitol Hill. And then different gangs
Speaker 2: start taking control of different parts of the park.
Speaker 1: So it was Revolution week, what week? And then Gang week.
Speaker 2: I'm there the whole time, my tank keeps getting stolen,
Speaker 2: and then so that so literally you had, bro, I've
Speaker 2: never seen something like this in Seattle by the basketball courts.
Speaker 2: Kids fifteen year old kids with shisties and guns fucking
Speaker 2: bigger than their entire bodies. And this is a safe
Speaker 2: urban park in a gateighborhood. So I'm like, bro, this
Speaker 2: is insane, and so what happened?
Speaker 1: I really.
Speaker 2: Remember there was a fatal shooting on the fourth of July.
Speaker 2: I was like, right next to it. I thought it
Speaker 2: was fireworks because it was fourth July. Someone got killed
Speaker 2: right there. And this antiphametic chic, you know, like in
Speaker 2: full costume, comes running up and she goes, there's a
Speaker 2: gang war happening at the park and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: literally look at I go, what gangs are fighting?
Speaker 1: Just say the name of one of the gangs. Since
Speaker 1: you're from Seattle, what are the gangs called?
Speaker 3: And she's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: And so the moment after the fatal shooting happened. The
Speaker 2: next morning, all of the medics and all of the
Speaker 2: organizers and all the wooks and all the revolutionaries they
Speaker 2: leave and the park just becomes like Hamsterdam and the
Speaker 2: wire and then the cops at that point come in
Speaker 2: and shut it down.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So I filmed the whole thing. I still have the footage.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about putting it out.
Speaker 3: Dude. Honestly, that's that's pretty sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy, but I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: it was just real, Like God, Seattle took the l
Speaker 2: on that one.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: What's so crazy is I feel like on like like
Speaker 3: when we think about like I think people who are
Speaker 3: extreme left and Antifa and and all these people and
Speaker 3: on the other side, the QA non folks. I feel
Speaker 3: like everyone has pretty they feel like they're doing the
Speaker 3: right thing, like they have everybody there, they have like
Speaker 3: good intention in their heart right, and I feel like
Speaker 3: there just has to be like, you know, I don't
Speaker 3: know what it is. I think, you know, there just
Speaker 3: has to be like there's if everyone feels like they're
Speaker 3: doing the right thing right, Like you know, the the
Speaker 3: White Lives Matter rally that opens up your film. It
Speaker 3: didn't feel like much of a rally, but you know,
Speaker 3: your boy was out there with his flags and then
Speaker 3: they're not playing. They ended up fucking them up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he ends up getting the rest. Do you feel like
Speaker 3: there's like just the option for like uh, I guess
Speaker 3: like positive discourse where people can just agree to disagree.
Speaker 3: Do you just think that shit's out the window? Man?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: The thing is though, is like these groups, these vocal minorities,
Speaker 2: get a lot of his ability because they make noise.
Speaker 2: But I think that a good like seventy percent of
Speaker 2: the country is on the same page as you and I.
Speaker 2: You know, they see the shit from Afar. They might
Speaker 2: react to a certain thing a certain way or slant,
Speaker 2: but most people are not Antifa or QAnon. The difference is,
Speaker 2: I feel like QAnon ideology has bled its way into
Speaker 2: the mainstream conservative right, whereas Antifa and these groups are
Speaker 2: still like a very marginalized left, and liberals reject their.
Speaker 1: Ideas for sure. So I just think that like the
Speaker 1: actual left.
Speaker 2: That Trump always talks about has no actual power over
Speaker 2: the liberals.
Speaker 1: Liberals don't give a fuck about unions, you.
Speaker 2: Know, They're more concerned with like calling Trump supporters Nazis
Speaker 2: and white supremacists and throwing labels on people. So there
Speaker 2: is going to be a point where we can have discourse.
Speaker 2: But like I said, twenty twenty eight's that year.
Speaker 3: You know, there's just this, Like you said, it's on
Speaker 3: the left, dude, Because on the I feel like I
Speaker 3: have conversations with like my cousin, like this is another
Speaker 3: thing I stopped talking about. I was a part of this,
Speaker 3: like the left that stopped talking to people over Trump
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: That was a real thing.
Speaker 3: My cousin James, who's like my closest cousin in my life,
Speaker 3: voted for Trump was vocal about it on Facebook, and
Speaker 3: I just stopped talking to him for like two years.
Speaker 1: You guys are good now, yeah, see America is healing.
Speaker 3: No. But I felt terrible about it, and I realized, like, dude,
Speaker 3: I was fucking tripping, bro. Yeah yeah, bro like I
Speaker 3: was bro. I was one of the guys shaming people
Speaker 3: for not getting I shamed this motherfucker for not getting vaccinated.
Speaker 3: Every fucking time we'd go, I'd be like, you're a
Speaker 3: fucking b That was me. And I just realized, like dog, like,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a part of the side that's the most judgmental, Yeah,
Speaker 3: which is crazy because the other side's supposed to be Nazis.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember back in the day when COVID first popped
Speaker 2: off in Seattle. You could be getting a you could
Speaker 2: be having a picnic in a park.
Speaker 1: Just you and two people.
Speaker 2: If you spread a blanket out and somebody took their
Speaker 2: mask off for a second, you'd have somebody in the
Speaker 2: cut with an N ninety five on like this. They'd
Speaker 2: take a picture of you, They'll put it online. Find
Speaker 2: you're at that, Like, what's this person's at? Super spreader,
Speaker 2: super spreader, complicit in the genocide of those who were
Speaker 2: disabled and complicit in the genocide of the immune compromise,
Speaker 2: and they would they would lose their job, they would
Speaker 2: lose everything.
Speaker 1: I saw this shit happening in real time. Uh so sad, dude,
Speaker 1: bro I was. I remember when COVID popped off.
Speaker 2: So I was in Seattle and I was like, I
Speaker 2: gotta go somewhere more, you know, more hippied out because
Speaker 2: I'm like, I gotta see somebody. So I went down
Speaker 2: to Eureka, California, and I stayed with my homegirl and
Speaker 2: she told me, she was like, listen, I don't care
Speaker 2: about this COVID shit, or I do care about if
Speaker 2: if if I see you in public with somebody and
Speaker 2: they take a picture of you or they see you
Speaker 2: with somebody else, I'm gonna get in trouble.
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you mean trouble? She was like, I
Speaker 1: could lose my job.
Speaker 3: It was the same thing that was I mean in Australia,
Speaker 3: it was crazy. Yeah, like people were like going to jail.
Speaker 3: And that's my thing is like, you know, uh, I
Speaker 3: just feel like we get so I just feel like
Speaker 3: we stopped questioning shit for a while there where it
Speaker 3: was like, hey, like, isn't a little weird that there's
Speaker 3: a ticker on the screen on CNN with the death
Speaker 3: total going up like it's a fucking basketball game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what is like?
Speaker 3: And everybody like the fuck? And I'm over here buying
Speaker 3: gloves and shit and fucking I got so much sanitizer
Speaker 3: left over from COVID.
Speaker 1: It's crazy abouteah garage. Yeah, I was. I mean I
Speaker 1: I was sort of tweaked out too.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It was just a crazy time and I feel like
Speaker 2: we're still kind of living in the shadow of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: For sure, And then now you look back and you're like, Okay, well,
Speaker 3: you know, I know I dealt with this because I
Speaker 3: had two sons, who you know, my kid was fourteen
Speaker 3: and was like dealing with depression because he was just
Speaker 3: stuck at home. And the people who lost their businesses,
Speaker 3: especially here in California. You know, there's like restaurants that
Speaker 3: were losing their businesses while there was like catering on
Speaker 3: movie sets. Yeah shit, And it was like like make
Speaker 3: it make sense, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Walmart was open though you know what I
Speaker 2: mean exactly, dispensaries were open.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no dispensaries were open. They never closed down dispensaries here,
Speaker 3: which was interesting. But yeah, I don't know, man, I
Speaker 3: just feel like, you know, like you said, man, like
Speaker 3: this is what we get. We get Trump again. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 3: like all that crazy shit, this is this.
Speaker 1: Is what you get. We earned this shit, We earned it.
Speaker 3: We fucking earned it. Man. Do you feel like there
Speaker 3: was a point in time for you where you know,
Speaker 3: you as a as a young journalist, like, was it
Speaker 3: always kind of the idea to kind of tell both
Speaker 3: sides because obviously, like you said, you're more of a
Speaker 3: burnie guy, so you yeah, but you know you have
Speaker 3: like your your set of values. But to be able
Speaker 3: to kind of cover like people who you harshly disagree with, yeah,
Speaker 3: and show them give them like a fair shake. Was
Speaker 3: that difficult for you?
Speaker 2: No, I've always been like that because you know, I
Speaker 2: grew up, like I said, in the city, always run
Speaker 2: different kinds of people, exposed to different personalities. I also
Speaker 2: went to school in the Deep South in New Orleans,
Speaker 2: so it was like I got I got.
Speaker 1: Exposed to a ton of Southern stuff.
Speaker 2: So by the time I started my career, I was like,
Speaker 2: I want to show people on the West Coast what
Speaker 2: it's like in the South. I want to show people
Speaker 2: in the South what it's like where I'm from in Seattle.
Speaker 2: So I already felt like I had two different upbringings,
Speaker 2: but as far as like the unbiased thing, like I'm
Speaker 2: not unbiased.
Speaker 1: No human being is unbiased.
Speaker 3: No, for sure, but you, I feel like you do
Speaker 3: a really good job of of trying to like tell
Speaker 3: both I tell tell the story as much down the
Speaker 3: middle as you can, And definitely, I just feel like
Speaker 3: that's something that that is very like, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I definitely appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to make that point because there's so
Speaker 2: many journalists claiming to be unbiased, but I'm like everybody
Speaker 2: has biases based upon how they.
Speaker 3: Grew on the planet, has a personal bias exactly.
Speaker 2: Like shit, I use the example the other day, like
Speaker 2: whenever the George Floyd thing happened, like I had lost
Speaker 2: a couple friends growing up to police brutality, So as
Speaker 2: soon as that happened, I was sort of on board
Speaker 2: with like whatever had whatever had to happen. I saw
Speaker 2: buildings going up in flames, and I was like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 2: me too. But if I grew up in you know, Iowa,
Speaker 2: and my dad was the police chief and a town
Speaker 2: of five hundred people, and he was rescuing cats from
Speaker 2: trees and helping people. You know, I might be like,
Speaker 2: come on, man, that's just one bad egg, but I
Speaker 2: didn't see it that way because of how I grew up.
Speaker 3: You know, how are you? How's your what is your
Speaker 3: perspective on those protesting riots? You know, what would it
Speaker 3: be five years later? Now, like almost five years four
Speaker 3: and a half years later. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: black Lives Matter as a statement is obviously a factual statement.
Speaker 3: I feel like that the and the intent of that
Speaker 3: movement was was pure and had great intentions, but somehow
Speaker 3: it got twisted and used against well.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at every social movement that
Speaker 2: begins organically, there is people out there, grifters and profiteers
Speaker 2: who will figure out a way to make an industry
Speaker 2: out of it. And the same thing happens with every
Speaker 2: social movement in America. It takes about two years, maybe
Speaker 2: three years, for you know, Black Lives Matter LLC to
Speaker 2: become a donation farm to where people were just like
Speaker 2: embezzling in mansions.
Speaker 1: That's what happens yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And so it's more like I feel like shame on
Speaker 2: somebody for not realizing that, like why are you giving
Speaker 2: money to the Black Lives Matter? Two and a half
Speaker 2: years later, I thought the protests were great. I think
Speaker 2: that they began very straightforward and organic, like this is
Speaker 2: about police brutalizing black people in the streets, period, and
Speaker 2: then it took only about a month later it kind
Speaker 2: of became about everybody.
Speaker 1: You know, they added the black stripe to the Pride
Speaker 1: flag and you're seeing people out there and I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait a second, you know, shout out to all the
Speaker 1: LGBT people out there. But I thought this was about
Speaker 1: police brutality against Black Americans, and so you just sort
Speaker 1: of see this forced intersectionality obscure the message, and before
Speaker 1: you know it, it's not what it was supposed to be.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 2: And that's just what happens because white guilt is so
Speaker 2: powerful that you have white people who have any type
Speaker 2: of disadvantage, whether it be gender, income level, but mostly
Speaker 2: it's gender and orientation, and they say, you know what,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be the scarecrow that people were
Speaker 2: throwing eggs at right now.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the.
Speaker 2: Bad part of the bad white out group during this
Speaker 2: protest movement. Let me figure out how it can join
Speaker 2: the side of the oppressor by giving myself something to
Speaker 2: stand on. So they're almost chasing down oppression to almost
Speaker 2: put on their back, as opposed to the actual purpose
Speaker 2: of liberation, which is to get away from it. So
Speaker 2: it's very sad you saw that, especially in Portland, where
Speaker 2: you know, you had groups actually obviously taking advantage.
Speaker 3: Of the neighborhood. They ruined Portland downtown.
Speaker 2: For Yeah, okay, that's one argument, But then if you
Speaker 2: look at why did downtown Portland, Downtown SF, and downtown
Speaker 2: Seattle grow the way they did before COVID, it's because
Speaker 2: all these tech companies were getting taxed, so they moved
Speaker 2: their offices there.
Speaker 3: And then they left it. They they once COVID happened,
Speaker 3: everyone left and they figured out they start out resources out,
Speaker 3: They figured out.
Speaker 2: They can make more money having people work on Zoom
Speaker 2: from home, and they didn't have to pay HR, they
Speaker 2: didn't have to maintain these office buildings. So you have
Speaker 2: office buildings like in San Francisco there are thirty six
Speaker 2: stories where only two of the floors are being used,
Speaker 2: the rest are vacant, and landlords don't want to go
Speaker 2: down on price for these tech apartments they built for
Speaker 2: the workers that are now living in Idaho or wherever
Speaker 2: they came where they came. So now you got homeless people,
Speaker 2: homeless people on the streets everywhere in Portland and everywhere else.
Speaker 2: And then you have these fucking assholes coming out and
Speaker 2: being like, wow, look at the Democrat policy and it's like.
Speaker 1: This is corporate elite fucking bullshit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's I think I think this. I
Speaker 3: think that's like a perfect example of both though it's
Speaker 3: like it's a it's two things can be true at
Speaker 3: the same time. It's like, yes, these tech cities where
Speaker 3: all of this massive income and all these people just
Speaker 3: decided to just be like deuces. Yeah, that's that's one thing.
Speaker 3: And then the other side, like in the Bay you know,
Speaker 3: it's like the Bay's crazy. I go to the Bay lot,
Speaker 3: you know, it's like, yeah, the basis great chances of
Speaker 3: you're getting bipped out there and or like just like
Speaker 3: you can't like I mean we were we started going
Speaker 3: a lot in like twenty twenty one. Yeah, because I
Speaker 3: was shooting a lot of content out there, and even
Speaker 3: like all the way up until maybe like late last year,
Speaker 3: it's like damn, like the Walgreens are gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the bipping is out of control. Bro.
Speaker 2: I was by Lake Merritt in the RV like a
Speaker 2: year and a half ago. I'm chilling by Lake Marriott.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful day, probably two pm, you know, Lake
Speaker 2: Marrion downtown Oaklyan. So I'm chilling right there in the
Speaker 2: RV and this valet guy comes up to me and
Speaker 2: he goes, don't don't park your car here.
Speaker 3: I go. Why.
Speaker 2: He goes, it's gonna get bipped. I go no, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay in the car. It's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: He's like, nah, don't even stay in the car. So
Speaker 2: I'm chilling in the car. I swear to God, I
Speaker 2: opened the door to like, you know, just get some air.
Speaker 2: Walk out for a second. A mini van pulls up
Speaker 2: like a soccer mom van. Three kids in full shisties
Speaker 2: jump out of the car with bip tools and hands
Speaker 2: like it like a ninja army and start throwing like
Speaker 2: bit like spark plugs on fucking wire and ring into
Speaker 2: the car like it was seriously like a like a.
Speaker 3: Ninja wild Like my boy Samson, he was pumping gas
Speaker 3: about to return his rental outside of the Oakland Airport.
Speaker 3: So he's at the car, he's on the phone, pumping gas,
Speaker 3: and before he knows it, his backpack in his back
Speaker 3: seat is gone. Yeah, and he's running after a car
Speaker 3: that within seconds they got him. Like the bay is
Speaker 3: fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so there's certain shit like that where you
Speaker 2: that's not just income inequality.
Speaker 1: That is the cops and well that's not doing their
Speaker 1: job right.
Speaker 3: And that's just like at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: if there are loopholes that allow you to hit licks, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're gonna take advantage of those loopholes. Yeah, Like it
Speaker 3: is what it is.
Speaker 2: And one thing that liberals don't understand is this, some
Speaker 2: fools just like hitting licks.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like, no matter what happens.
Speaker 1: It's not like everyone hitting a lick is like I
Speaker 1: can't afford food.
Speaker 2: Some fools love hitting licks. I grew up with people
Speaker 2: who are rich, middle class, impoor. They listen to Chief
Speaker 2: Keep all day they're trying to hit a lick. It's
Speaker 2: not like they woke up with not being able to
Speaker 2: put cornflakes in the bowl.
Speaker 3: Facts.
Speaker 2: And I'm just saying that's something that you can't explain
Speaker 2: to people because you're like, what do you mean they
Speaker 2: like it? You think there's something about them genetically that
Speaker 2: made them Like, No, I didn't fucking say that. I
Speaker 2: just said fools be hitting licks, yes and I and
Speaker 2: they don't get it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But we're not going to explain it to them. But
Speaker 1: if they live in this city for long enough and
Speaker 1: somebody hits it, hits a lick on your ship, You're
Speaker 1: not gonna be like, wow, you know what, even though
Speaker 1: they stole my car, I hope they can feed their family. Like,
Speaker 1: where do you think we're in? Fucking Darfur? The this
Speaker 1: is you know.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, would you would you say based on
Speaker 4: your your you know, obviously your experience being up up
Speaker 4: in the northwest and covering Portland and covering the Bay
Speaker 4: and I go back to your reference of Hamsterdam from
Speaker 4: the wire, based on like just your experience and your perspective,
Speaker 4: because perspective matters.
Speaker 3: Uh, would you say the Hamsterdam model is one that
Speaker 3: is sustainable? No?
Speaker 2: And here's why specifically it might be sustainable if it
Speaker 2: was like a nationwide policy. But you got to think
Speaker 2: in all the ordering states to Washington and Oregon, Idaho, Montana,
Speaker 2: even Utah and states like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I lived in Boise.
Speaker 2: It's illegal to be homeless in a lot of these states.
Speaker 2: They will put you in jail for your third vagrancy
Speaker 2: ticket for ninety days. They'll prosecute, they'll they'll burn your shit.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: A lot of people get harassed and they get and
Speaker 2: not only that, but I was in Austin, Texas one time,
Speaker 2: one time, and I watched the city book two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty greyhound bus tickets and sending homeless people from
Speaker 2: Seventh Street in downtown to Portland.
Speaker 3: So what year was that?
Speaker 1: That was before all this chaos? Twenty fourteen?
Speaker 3: Oh, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So this has been happening.
Speaker 2: So what happens is if Seattle says, you know what,
Speaker 2: We're gonna enact harm reduction policies and open up a
Speaker 2: needle exchange or something like that for people to not
Speaker 2: get HIV and have se right here, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: these other counties, not even just different states, are like, okay, perfect,
Speaker 2: Now I know where to send one hundred thousand drug addicts,
Speaker 2: and so it's impossible to maintain the Hamsterdam model when
Speaker 2: these different states have such different policies.
Speaker 3: I wonder what is your perspective on and you know,
Speaker 3: because I think what happened in the last twelve months
Speaker 3: or so was you noticed a lot of minority communities
Speaker 3: feeling a certain way about like the same places like Chicago,
Speaker 3: New York City, Like immigration hitting I mean obviously Governor
Speaker 3: Abbott putting people on buses setting it into New York City,
Speaker 3: send it into Chicago. But then kind of seeing like
Speaker 3: the preferential treatment that someone who came in here illegally
Speaker 3: might get, whether it's a visa card loaded with fourteen
Speaker 3: hundred dollars at an hotel room and all this stuff, did
Speaker 3: you kind of like there's it felt like there was
Speaker 3: like kind of a divide. Well, it's between two communities
Speaker 3: that usually would be I guess aligned, if that would
Speaker 3: make sense for me.
Speaker 2: It's hard to see what's real and true about that,
Speaker 2: because that particular narrative is perfect for the conservative established right,
Speaker 2: like Wese see these poor people, working class people don't
Speaker 2: like migrantcsy either. I don't know how real that actually is,
Speaker 2: Like if you look at New York City right most
Speaker 2: of the migrants are being held in shelters in Long
Speaker 2: Island or by the Roosevelt Hotel in Midtown. It's not
Speaker 2: like they are going to, you know, minority communities in
Speaker 2: the Bronx and in Queens or in the Lower East
Speaker 2: Side and just opening up these gorgeous migrant skyscrapers where
Speaker 2: they're giving people for dope ass phones.
Speaker 3: They're like, yo, you got you gotta fucking you gotta
Speaker 3: fucking loft in New York.
Speaker 2: So I feel like a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: it is like Jesse Waters going to the hood in
Speaker 2: the Bronx and being like, I don't know if you saw,
Speaker 2: young man, but they just got a free phone down there.
Speaker 3: And then I was as like, what the fuck a
Speaker 3: fuck that? I don't know if if it's actually accurate.
Speaker 1: It is Also it's possible for poor and working class
Speaker 1: people to also be syopped by hypnototic media. Hypnotic media,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, without.
Speaker 2: Knowing, because they're if you're poor and you see somebody
Speaker 2: getting free shit, that's how they turn the white working
Speaker 2: class against the black communities. In the eighties, during a
Speaker 2: primitive extre so it's it's a little mini version of that.
Speaker 2: If you go to a poor, poor person anywhere and
Speaker 2: you show them a video of someone getting free shit,
Speaker 2: they are probably gonna be BacT.
Speaker 3: There and then you're able to take that footage put
Speaker 3: it on TikTok and then it spreads like a while.
Speaker 2: It's like showing a rich person a video of somebody
Speaker 2: breaking into a mansion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to the thing I just saw recently
Speaker 3: that was going viral on TikTok was like this like
Speaker 3: idea that like you could get a reward for turning in,
Speaker 3: and I think they came out and said it's not real.
Speaker 3: But it was like, like you mentioned the word sip.
Speaker 3: It felt like it was like this fake thing that
Speaker 3: got thrown out there. And then you would see like
Speaker 3: these tiktoks like like like there was when I saw
Speaker 3: this black girl being like the thousand dollars a person,
Speaker 3: they're seven who live next door to me, Like that's
Speaker 3: my address type shit, and it's like it's like the again,
Speaker 3: it's like at the end of the day, man, It's
Speaker 3: like I think with the immigration issue, it's there's a
Speaker 3: lot of things that can be true at the same
Speaker 3: time yeah, I think, like obviously, man, like there was
Speaker 3: a lot of people coming over. I was area which
Speaker 3: was like not sustainable, you know, it's not sustainable for
Speaker 3: anybody to take.
Speaker 2: Any and most importantly it's not good for them. Like
Speaker 2: I have a friend from Senegal or a friend now,
Speaker 2: and I met him at the border. He had just hopped, right,
Speaker 2: So he gets he goes to border in Arizona.
Speaker 1: Too, in Arizona right by Lukeville crossing Gringo Pass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's telling.
Speaker 3: A Rockey point. I go by there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm talking to him, and he's excited. He's like,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get to America and work, you know.
Speaker 2: Abbot bustes him to New York and he just got
Speaker 2: his asylum appointment date and it's for twenty twenty nine,
Speaker 2: so he can't get and he.
Speaker 1: Can't get his work papers, and he can't get anything.
Speaker 1: He can't even receive a green card. He can't even
Speaker 1: be heard by a judge.
Speaker 2: Because now you're just in limbo for on limbo for
Speaker 2: years for him, and the shelter says, we can't have
Speaker 2: space for you. We have more migrants coming in. So
Speaker 2: he's living on the streets right now trying to see
Speaker 2: who will hire him for under the table work and
Speaker 2: paying him in cash. He's getting paid four bucks an
Speaker 2: hour because you got you know, deli owners and shit
Speaker 2: trying to save money asking him to mop the floor.
Speaker 2: That's not a life he wanted in the US either.
Speaker 3: And how man and that times, however many hundred thousand
Speaker 3: is happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there should be there should be a clear path
Speaker 2: to citizenship, which makes his whole situation avoidable for sure.
Speaker 3: And then and then that's the thing is like, if
Speaker 3: there is like an I think that it just kind
Speaker 3: of all got mixed up to where it's like, okay, well,
Speaker 3: if it's a free for all at the border, then
Speaker 3: whatever bullshit systems in place for people, Like you said,
Speaker 3: the asylum system, I know, the asylum courts is a
Speaker 3: fucking jokey. It's just not sustainable, dude. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, asylum policies were a conservative thing. I think the
Speaker 2: first asylum policy was during Reagan. It was called wet foot, dryfoot,
Speaker 2: and that was to inspire Cubans to flee the island
Speaker 2: during communism. And they said, if you can get in
Speaker 2: a boat to Miami, the moment you touch sand or soil.
Speaker 2: You're an American citizen. So it was supposed to incentivize
Speaker 2: people to defect from communist regimes or enemies of the US.
Speaker 2: So Venezuela, that's exactly who we want. Because that's good
Speaker 2: for Trump.
Speaker 1: They're leaving communism, they're coming here for a better capitalist life.
Speaker 1: I think that's good for old school Republicans exactly. I
Speaker 1: feel like the new shit is different.
Speaker 2: And people are exploiting the asylum system. Wherever you stand
Speaker 2: left to right, that system is being exploited. Being poor
Speaker 2: is not an asylum.
Speaker 1: Claim, so if you get here. When I was interviewing
Speaker 1: Mexicans at the border, these are poor people saying I'm
Speaker 1: being targeted by the cartel. They're gonna kill me. Every
Speaker 1: single one of them said that.
Speaker 3: I also heard like, if you are if you say
Speaker 3: you're lgbt Q, if you're coming from like an area
Speaker 3: that frowns upon it, they grant you asylum too.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I mean that.
Speaker 3: Homy and TJ was telling me that. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's like, if you just say you, if you just
Speaker 3: say you're gay at the border, like me, try it.
Speaker 3: I don't know. No. He comes back and forth like
Speaker 3: he lives in TJ and works in the U.
Speaker 1: Tell him hop the border act as gay as possible,
Speaker 1: like yo.
Speaker 3: Come with a boyfriend. You know.
Speaker 2: No, by the way, speaking to the border, we were
Speaker 2: just to know Paso ware is a couple a couple
Speaker 2: of days ago, wild place wars is crazy.
Speaker 1: We're just there.
Speaker 2: And so you know that video of like Trump's first
Speaker 2: wave of deportations where you see like a bunch of
Speaker 2: young dudes walking across the border back in New Mexico.
Speaker 2: So speaking to sy Offs, those people had been held
Speaker 2: there for like three months and we're just being processed,
Speaker 2: and Trump said, don't process him, send him back right
Speaker 2: now so we can get the good optics.
Speaker 1: So they had a camera crew.
Speaker 2: Set up in Warez from Breitbart, from these conservative outlets,
Speaker 2: being like, the deportations are happening, but those people got apprehended,
Speaker 2: apprehended under Biden criminal right.
Speaker 3: It's just content manipulation, man, It's what it is. Everyone's
Speaker 3: fucking playing the TikTok game the fund It's that's fucking wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Jesus.
Speaker 3: You you you based on like your interactions with everybody
Speaker 3: who were coming over the border, because do you know
Speaker 3: there's this narrative that there's all there's this massive spike
Speaker 3: and single Chinese men coming over of military age and.
Speaker 2: You know, single Chinese men of military age. Imagine being
Speaker 2: described that way. No, exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And then you know, we're kind of like in this
Speaker 3: like cold war with China, and they're sending, they're sending,
Speaker 3: they're sending, uh, you know, all these cells.
Speaker 1: Over every Chinese person works for the Chinese.
Speaker 3: Government apparently, right right, yeah, exactly. There's no poor people
Speaker 3: in China exactly. Yeah, because for people who don't know
Speaker 3: the extreme poverty in Chinese. Yeah, yeah, but it was
Speaker 3: just funny. It's just funny because, like you said, like
Speaker 3: you could kind of like, you know, whatever, whatever side
Speaker 3: of the road you want to be on politically, like
Speaker 3: you can kind of find like an echo chamber within
Speaker 3: that one immigration issue to be like yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: but at the same time, you know, it's obviously like
Speaker 3: there is an issue, you know, with with with that
Speaker 3: influx of people. Would you say there was like a
Speaker 3: concerted because the other thing is is people say by
Speaker 3: people I mean the right, yeah, that that the border
Speaker 3: was opened up on purpose to try to import more
Speaker 3: democratic votes. That's my favorite, which is fucking an insane Well,
Speaker 3: if that's.
Speaker 2: The case, it didn't work right. Also, dude, migrants can't vote.
Speaker 2: They're not citizens, right, They literally can't vote. They can't
Speaker 2: even But I don't even need to get into that.
Speaker 2: The point is the reason you see somebody single men
Speaker 2: at the border hopping the borders because their entire families
Speaker 2: are back home.
Speaker 3: So it's like they come and work and they send
Speaker 3: money back. I mean, this is a very normal thing.
Speaker 1: How would they take their family?
Speaker 3: Their family?
Speaker 1: You want your little kids and your wife to work,
Speaker 1: she has to take care of the kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want your fucking kids walking across the desert
Speaker 3: in Arizona in the summertime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can die shot. That's a human borders giving
Speaker 1: water to those people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, bro, like, of course it's going to be
Speaker 2: single man, but like it's it's a it's been it's
Speaker 2: been strange.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the border being wide open was a huge problem.
Speaker 3: What do you went to Colorado right during the yeah
Speaker 3: gang for trendy Aragua.
Speaker 1: Yes, td t d A just taken over the apartments,
Speaker 1: taxing everybody.
Speaker 3: I mean again, there was a crazy video that went
Speaker 3: viral now I know. It was like it was like
Speaker 3: red meat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I have some really bad news. There's a
Speaker 2: gang at an apartment building in the hood, and one's like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is happening?
Speaker 1: There's a gang in every apartment building.
Speaker 3: Right, so what did you say? Like going there? What
Speaker 3: did you did you? What did you?
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the verdict on on Colorado. There was a
Speaker 2: gang in the apartment building period, which caused the landlord
Speaker 2: to be like, you know what, bro, there's a gang here.
Speaker 1: He was a slumlord name that from Florida.
Speaker 2: He owned like six different super badly maintained properties, right,
Speaker 2: so he was like, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, bro, there's gangs over running the ship.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to take care of it. I'm
Speaker 2: abandoning the property. So there was no more, no more
Speaker 2: landlord services happening, no more plumbing, no more electricity, just
Speaker 2: the services were being under maintained. He was getting sued
Speaker 2: by the city of Aurora, Colorado, so he hired a
Speaker 2: crisis PR firm called Red Bandon Communications to basically plant
Speaker 2: that story about the gang takeover, to be like, they
Speaker 2: beat me up and forced me out of the property.
Speaker 1: So two things were true. At one time. It was
Speaker 1: a gang of illegally of undocumented viagrants from Venezuela who
Speaker 1: were gang banging, and you had a shitty landlord. I
Speaker 1: don't understand how people can't see those two things seem
Speaker 1: to go hand in hand. I actually think.
Speaker 2: There's that That's almost always the case. Everywhere you see
Speaker 2: gangs in the projects, the property is poorly maintained. Have
Speaker 2: you ever seen a nice apartment building with a gang
Speaker 2: in it?
Speaker 1: It's possible.
Speaker 3: No, that's funny. Yeah, Like you said, two things can
Speaker 3: be true at the same time.
Speaker 2: And also gang see a shitty maintained spot and they're like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go gang.
Speaker 3: Did you see the story that came out a couple
Speaker 3: of nights ago. They were like, Yo, in Colorado there
Speaker 3: was a Venezuelan gang house party and we rated it
Speaker 3: got forty gang members off. I'm like, first of all,
Speaker 3: shout out to those guys were being like brave enough
Speaker 3: to throw a house party. Yeah, in the same week
Speaker 3: Trump gets elected for sure, obviously not the smartest place.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, dude, what about the one hundred thousand gang members
Speaker 2: here in Los Angeles?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: What what are we talking about? Right, it's so crazy.
Speaker 2: But conservatives have never met a gang member, so they're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, the gang members have arrived. It's like
Speaker 2: the gang members are here, started here, Yes, all the
Speaker 2: MS thirteens started in Koreatown.
Speaker 3: People don't realize that MS thirteen is a California gang
Speaker 3: that obviously exported Del Salvador.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and our prison system, Harvest is an incubator for
Speaker 2: the most powerful gangs in the world.
Speaker 1: So it's really crazy.
Speaker 2: When you get people being like, bro, the border's open
Speaker 2: and now people are gang bang. But if you show
Speaker 2: that clip on Fox News and you're in Little Rock, Arkansas,
Speaker 2: actually lit Rocks pretty good. Let me use a different example.
Speaker 2: If you're in Omaha, it's actually pretty good too.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: If you're in Boise, Idaho and the rural outskirts and
Speaker 2: you see a video of the border and then people
Speaker 2: gang banging right after, you're like, here we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah crazy. Have you ever covered Mormons at all? And
Speaker 3: you're no, I haven't.
Speaker 2: But you know, when I first got to Salt Lake City,
Speaker 2: I went to Temple Square and they were in plain
Speaker 2: clothes and they're like, hey, what's up man? I thought
Speaker 2: they were fans.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, yeah, good to meet you. Bro.
Speaker 1: I was like, you want a picture, and they were
Speaker 1: like a picture.
Speaker 3: Have you read the word? Like ah?
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: So I grew up in Mesa, which is outside of Phoenix,
Speaker 3: like yeah, twenty minutes and it's a big Mormon population.
Speaker 3: So I'm very very intrigued. And then I moved to Boise.
Speaker 3: I did radio and bois for a year, which is
Speaker 3: the third largest Mormon population. It's just such a very
Speaker 3: very interesting culture of people.
Speaker 1: They're really nice.
Speaker 3: There's the nicest people ever. Their religion is pretty wild. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it is pretty crazy. Like there's I would love to
Speaker 3: see you. Is there some more if some more in
Speaker 3: the Mormon shiit pops up? Yeah, I would love to
Speaker 3: see you.
Speaker 1: I mean I love Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2: Like there's this bar that they're called Twilight Lounge that
Speaker 2: I like a lot, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 2: and most of the kids who get drunk there every
Speaker 2: day are from Mormon families and they just drink and
Speaker 2: they just like sit there and be.
Speaker 3: Like oh yeah. Like when I was a kid, like
Speaker 3: the kids in high school who were like doing like
Speaker 3: real drugs or all Mormons because they were like revolting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's people don't know.
Speaker 2: But Salt Lake City is like a many New Orleans
Speaker 2: when it comes to alcohol consumption because these kids who
Speaker 2: defect or they kind of break off from the church,
Speaker 2: they drink like amish people on Rum's from Man.
Speaker 3: You know, I went to Salt Lake once. We went
Speaker 3: for the day. We went to interview a young boy
Speaker 3: at his house.
Speaker 1: Such a good video, bro, Yeah, shout out to him, man,
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite interviews.
Speaker 3: Shout out to young boy. Free that man, Free him.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: All he had to do was not do that.
Speaker 3: All he had to do was just just not like
Speaker 3: fake prescriptions. So you have everything like like like what
Speaker 3: that young boy story came out? I was like, really, bro, wait, is.
Speaker 1: It correct that he went to the Walgreens and said
Speaker 1: I'm a doctor?
Speaker 3: He called I think it was over the phone. I
Speaker 3: think he called in over the phone as a fake. Again,
Speaker 3: this is all.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine young boy trying to sound like not
Speaker 2: young boy because somebody's.
Speaker 3: Just hanging out with him like super nice guy. You know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you spent some time here in LA with
Speaker 3: crit Mac, who obviously is incarcerated. Shout out to krypt Mac.
Speaker 3: Do you keep in any contact with him at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 3: Do you know what's going on with his case?
Speaker 1: Is there any I mean, he's just gonna do his time.
Speaker 1: He'll be out next Christmas.
Speaker 3: So he'll be out next Christmas.
Speaker 1: Nice Christmas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shot. What is your thoughts on like that? I
Speaker 3: guess because I feel like krit Mac was kind of
Speaker 3: like the beginning of the commercial commercialization in the podcast
Speaker 3: space of like gang banging it's bad. It's like it's
Speaker 3: becoming like a you know, whether it's cam capone you know,
Speaker 3: obviously no jumper at him, you know, you go on.
Speaker 3: I mean there's it's kind of crazy, like like gang
Speaker 3: politics have now become like real just YouTube content, like it's.
Speaker 2: A serious content farm. What I've noticed though, is like
Speaker 2: once the lore is kind of oversaturated and figured out,
Speaker 2: people kind of move on. For example, like the Hyracology
Speaker 2: way of like all the gdbd O block cutard ship
Speaker 2: that had like four years of people figuring out everything,
Speaker 2: and now you hear you've heard every story like every
Speaker 2: FBG BUTTA interview.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know that already.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how I know that, But like you
Speaker 2: got dudes like traploor Ross who are breaking down the
Speaker 2: scientific moment by moment progression of these beefs and then
Speaker 2: they figure it out and it's kind of just like,
Speaker 2: all right, we understand Chicago.
Speaker 3: Because he did like a four hour King von like
Speaker 3: documentary that was fucking I couldn't get through it.
Speaker 1: He might be the greatest drill documentarian.
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask you, what are your thoughts on
Speaker 3: a guy like because he obviously fancies himself a journalist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely a journalist.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on Trapel?
Speaker 1: I think he's dope. I mean I think that.
Speaker 2: You know, last time I went on to Jumper, I
Speaker 2: was pretty critical about like just the gangbang in space
Speaker 2: being commercialized and.
Speaker 1: The way that has been.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, now that I look back,
Speaker 2: I think the real person to blame is the record labels.
Speaker 2: I mean, the people pushing this shit in the first place.
Speaker 2: You can't blame journalists and podcasters for responding to that demand.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like they pulled these people out of a hat.
Speaker 2: I'm curious about King von No, Atlantic and all these
Speaker 2: record labels they decide, Okay, we're going to commercialize gang music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think too, Like you know, it's interesting because
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys always say this because I'm
Speaker 3: not a big Drill fan, Like it's just never was
Speaker 3: like my shit, you know. But I feel like nowadays
Speaker 3: the kids aren't into like you'll see it all the
Speaker 3: time with like let's say like pull a name out
Speaker 3: of Kwanda Rondo. Yeah, like he's known, but like he
Speaker 3: doesn't really have much big music. No, his interviews are
Speaker 3: still good there, like most of these guys are known
Speaker 3: more like people care about the It's almost like they're
Speaker 3: like like the audience is just watching this real life
Speaker 3: like crime series play out and they have like only
Speaker 3: invested in like the Julio Fulio, Young and Ace is
Speaker 3: the perfect example. Yeah right, it was like people really
Speaker 3: I mean, like not to say they didn't have some
Speaker 3: dope like like Fulio had some dope records, you know,
Speaker 3: but people were more invested in like how's this going
Speaker 3: to end? As opposed to like, yo, let me go
Speaker 3: support this guy's album that came out.
Speaker 1: I know when Fulio died, like the next day that
Speaker 1: Young and A song right five in the morning, got
Speaker 1: a call who is this? One hundred thousand comments? I'm like,
Speaker 1: just even the comment like just so some.
Speaker 3: Of the comments are just so like people like don't
Speaker 3: have a heart.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's even beyond that, they don't see them
Speaker 2: as human beings like superheroes and the drill. They don't
Speaker 2: exactly lives as valuable. I mean, it's it's depressing, but
Speaker 2: like it's not gonna end.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna end.
Speaker 2: So it's like I'm a big proponent and like, don't
Speaker 2: critique things too heavily that you can't stop for sure,
Speaker 2: you know, And like the youth is hypnotized by violent
Speaker 2: and violent violence and violent music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know. You know you mentioned going
Speaker 3: on to a jumper, Like I think you know. I
Speaker 3: think Adam is to me, Like I always tell people
Speaker 3: when they you know, because I'm tight with Adam. He's
Speaker 3: the home and I always say, like, hey man, Adam's
Speaker 3: reinvented that fucking platform over and over and over. He's
Speaker 3: also responsible for some of like the greatest hip hop
Speaker 3: interviews of all time, if you go back to X
Speaker 3: and the first Juice World interview and and all that
Speaker 3: shit for better or worse, from like twenty sixteen to
Speaker 3: seventeen to now, Like there was this shift in the
Speaker 3: SoundCloud era and like that that platform was very, very
Speaker 3: instrumentaleh in the that wave and like you said, there's
Speaker 3: a demand for that content. So if it's not, and
Speaker 3: I think Adam does a pretty decent job of like
Speaker 3: if you watch the more long form shit, like yeah,
Speaker 3: having some nuance in context to a lot of those
Speaker 3: beefs and stuff. But no matter who, like there's gonna
Speaker 3: be a cam capone, there's gonna be what's the homies name?
Speaker 3: Who does the hood documentaries? That never shows his face.
Speaker 3: I've DMed with him before, fu.
Speaker 1: DJ small eyes.
Speaker 3: Nah, he does like a glugs No does. He does
Speaker 3: a lot of like Northern Cali shit.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it before, but Northern California is way
Speaker 1: more active than here.
Speaker 3: Oh like Stockin's crazy, Yeah yeah, Stockings fucking.
Speaker 2: The cool thing about how Adam has been able to
Speaker 2: develop his platform is like the SoundCloud era was huge, right,
Speaker 2: and it took place in La obviously like Melrose and Fairfax.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't an LA scene.
Speaker 3: It was like a Florida thing.
Speaker 1: But but I mean, like this was this the hub
Speaker 1: of like media for it for sure, and a lot
Speaker 1: of like the rappers lived here and like once it
Speaker 1: fizzled out, like you still he figured it out because
Speaker 1: he was like, all right, we gotta make something out
Speaker 1: of just like l a Native rap and there's some
Speaker 1: sick rappers from La X four RS three. I still
Speaker 1: listen to Draco every days.
Speaker 3: Amazing the truth. Yeah, long live Draco for you man?
Speaker 3: What is what is like when you put a movie
Speaker 3: out like Dear Kelly and and you know you're getting
Speaker 3: a lot of love for it. It's an amazing documentary.
Speaker 3: I thought, I don't know what is your team? Like?
Speaker 3: Is it how many of you are there?
Speaker 2: So there's me, Susan who's like the senior producer, uh,
Speaker 2: Timmy and Liam who work in the office. And now
Speaker 2: I have four editors Gabe, Wiggy, Ethan, Charlie and then
Speaker 2: my homie Drew edit from Texas. So I don't know
Speaker 2: how many people that is in total, but it's a
Speaker 2: it's a nine person team. And then I got correspondence
Speaker 2: like Hosue in Mexico City.
Speaker 3: I watched, Yeah, I watched his TJ episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the oh that's that's the Homi.
Speaker 2: Beanie from La Okaysuay did the Mexico City gentrification.
Speaker 3: He just did. I just saw that one I saw.
Speaker 3: I saw the Mexico City one.
Speaker 2: I saw it, and he's doing a cock fighting episode
Speaker 2: right now, which is gonna be sick, which is like
Speaker 2: a deep in the country of Mexico. And then we
Speaker 2: have like correspondent in Israel won in New Zealand, and
Speaker 2: then yeah, but in general, I would say, like, oh,
Speaker 2: then JP, the homey from New York is the social
Speaker 2: media clips.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how big your team is. Is
Speaker 1: it more or less than ten?
Speaker 3: Two?
Speaker 1: Oh shit, there's got to be a third. There's that
Speaker 1: my boy Erica Rock helps Okay, so my team is
Speaker 1: probably like around your size, like under twenty more than three.
Speaker 3: Damn yeah, it's it's crazy. Uh. And the other thing
Speaker 3: you started to do was dub over your videos in
Speaker 3: different languages, which I think mister Beast was Like, was
Speaker 3: it mister Beast who started doing that? Ship?
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the one who made me want to
Speaker 2: do it, now that I watched mister Beasts religiously, but
Speaker 2: I've seen mister Beat, so I just know, like he
Speaker 2: has a town in North Carolina. It's like a YouTube town,
Speaker 2: right where he has a whole studio there with like
Speaker 2: different overdubbed team for Different.
Speaker 3: Prime show is really good. Oh really Beast Games. It's
Speaker 3: like real life squid games. You have kids, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's why you're watching of course, okay, of course. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like there's no way you get off work and
Speaker 3: you're like here we go. No, there was like it's
Speaker 3: good though, it's yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I was gonna ask you because you did you
Speaker 3: you talked about your correspondence. You did a really dope
Speaker 3: video about it was it took place, and there was
Speaker 3: you kind of showed both perspectives in terms of what
Speaker 3: was going on in Lebanon. Yeah, and I think you
Speaker 3: said the video would did get demonetized.
Speaker 2: I mean that video has been like a nightmare. Like
Speaker 2: every correspondent who is in that video is now mad
Speaker 2: at me for some reason. Wow, you know, because I
Speaker 2: had someone in Israel and someone eleven.
Speaker 3: Because you had someone on the Israeli side talk and
Speaker 3: someone on the Lebed East side talk, and.
Speaker 2: Some British guys interviewed this hes blow dude, and they're
Speaker 2: mad because I didn't put him in the credits because
Speaker 2: I forgot to, And like it's just that that that
Speaker 2: piece was a trilateral nightmare. Damn.
Speaker 3: But it was good man. Thank you. I'm glad you
Speaker 3: liked it, bro, because I feel like it's important because
Speaker 3: I feel like, again, there's just these there's there's especially
Speaker 3: with that situation. It's like, you know, it just sucks
Speaker 3: because I'm sure we probably aligned pretty closely in terms
Speaker 3: of how we feel about that. The war that's been
Speaker 3: happening for over a year. Definitely this bullshit ceasefire that
Speaker 3: is probably going to result in. I mean, Trump just
Speaker 3: said they want he wants to fucking displace the entire country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, for you, like interviewing a Hesbela
Speaker 3: member on camera, that's a risk for you. Yeah. I
Speaker 3: didn't do it though, no I know, but just it's
Speaker 3: your platform. So like telling the side of the Hesbela.
Speaker 2: Dude, I thought, soldier, I thought that covering MAGA and
Speaker 2: Antifa shit opened me up to criticism.
Speaker 1: Brother. You should have seen when I dropped the Hesbela interview.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: People were calling me like a pro terrorism platform, like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I had comments in Hebrew
Speaker 2: like wishing death upon me and shit.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is they don't play about them at.
Speaker 3: Least would you, because I think the other story that
Speaker 3: I really would like to see somebody really trying to
Speaker 3: tackle in like as is like what's going on in
Speaker 3: the West Bank. Yeah, yeah when the settlers and like
Speaker 3: there's like a it's pretty fucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those settlers are on some shit. You seen videos
Speaker 1: of them? Oh my god, what's wrong with them?
Speaker 3: What is wrong?
Speaker 1: Seriously?
Speaker 3: They're like maniac like yeah, like what nightmares are made of.
Speaker 3: Like there's this lady who's just so mean and evil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like homeless people with ars.
Speaker 3: They're like homeless people with ars. Bingo. But like you said, dude,
Speaker 3: like this shit, it's like almost like there's like this
Speaker 3: like you just can't talk about it.
Speaker 1: No, well, I mean you can, but it's just like
Speaker 1: you're opening yourself up so much, like dude.
Speaker 3: Because again with the labels you're anti Semitic or it's
Speaker 3: the same thing with like if you disagree with anything
Speaker 3: on the left, Yeah, you're a trumper, you're a Nazi.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's even worse when you're talking about Israel
Speaker 2: Palestine though, because you get your channel really taken down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting too because it's like to see kind
Speaker 3: of like the MAGA correlation with like Israel. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then you know, but then there's like the outliers on
Speaker 3: the right who are like so far like anti Israel, like, uh,
Speaker 3: what's the guy's name with the beer, the fucking Dan Basaria, And.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that shit's so funny.
Speaker 2: It's also just been so funny to see like MAGA
Speaker 2: aligned with is because like for two years they.
Speaker 1: Were like the Jewish Cabal of deep state apac elites or.
Speaker 3: The Q fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these Q fucks yeah yeah, and then and then
Speaker 2: now they're lying, they're like funk terrorism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: You know, it's hell of funny. But yeah, man, I'm
Speaker 2: definitely not done covering the Middle East, but I'm taking
Speaker 2: a little breather and trying to figure it out. Next
Speaker 2: time I'm gonna go out there, be careful, Yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: be Yeah.
Speaker 3: Belly has a line he did in a freestyle where
Speaker 3: he said hero villain, it's all perspective, and it's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's crazy, it's crazy. What are your thoughts on, because
Speaker 3: you know, it's been an interesting first week and a
Speaker 3: half of President Trump's What are your thoughts on the
Speaker 3: first week and a half?
Speaker 2: Well, I'll say this man, if Trump does some good
Speaker 2: things for the country and the quality of life improves
Speaker 2: for average American, I'm not gonna go above and beyond
Speaker 2: to try and make him look bad. I'm not this
Speaker 2: like weird guy who's just like operating on some anti
Speaker 2: Trump spighte. If things get good, I'll cover that too.
Speaker 2: So I look at it as like we have no
Speaker 2: choice but to just hope for the best. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: I try to look past the sort of like anti
Speaker 2: trans shit, and I just just really think, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: is he going to eliminate the extreme poverty and inequality
Speaker 2: that we have.
Speaker 3: Which is always like I mean, that's what the craziest
Speaker 3: thing is is the you know, the extreme poverty is growing,
Speaker 3: and then just the wealth gap is just getting It's
Speaker 3: almost like, you know, the shit that's happening with trying.
Speaker 2: To buy homes in America and American dream is over,
Speaker 2: and the gap of regional understanding is crazy. Like, for example,
Speaker 2: California is being overtaken by tech transplants and rich people
Speaker 2: from other places, causing working class Californians to flee to
Speaker 2: Arizona and Texas. And then they say, don't California, my
Speaker 2: Texas and they look at them as the problem when
Speaker 2: their problem is low key.
Speaker 3: Them fucking with Black California.
Speaker 2: It's just like this cycle and black Rock owns everything
Speaker 2: and everything's all bad. But like I said Brad twenty
Speaker 2: twenty eighth that year.
Speaker 3: Yeah I hope, so man, I sure hope. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's it's just it's just it's disheartening because
Speaker 3: it's like, damn, dude, like I can I don't imagine,
Speaker 3: Like if I was like twenty two to twenty three
Speaker 3: right now, I wouldn't even even like the thought of
Speaker 3: like buying an entry level condo couldn't even cross my mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't own anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah, except by in my two thousand and
Speaker 2: seven Tacoma the car. But I mean, aside from that,
Speaker 2: I don't even want to buy a house. If I
Speaker 2: do buy a house, it's gonna be in the cut
Speaker 2: in the country. Like young boy, So you were in
Speaker 2: Phoenix for a while, I lived in Phoenix.
Speaker 1: For an entire year.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna blow the lid off that no one knows
Speaker 2: that I was on forty fourth and camel Back, living
Speaker 2: behind the village it's an athletic club. Great area, holding
Speaker 2: it down, Indian School, Chopper John's.
Speaker 1: Siparadia, Yeah, Arcadia, Arcadia, Scottsdale, CUSP.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great area. Yeah, so you enjoyed it? Did you
Speaker 3: enjoy your year?
Speaker 1: I love Phoenix, bro, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I was a major Tucson flag staff guy and I
Speaker 2: moved to Phoenix and I said, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: a figure out. Had to make this place as fun
Speaker 2: as possible, and I figured out my spots.
Speaker 1: And I got a lot of love for Phoenix.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Phoenix, I always thought it was like the
Speaker 1: Dallas of the West. It's like a gross, infinite sprawl
Speaker 1: of nothingness and identical suburban cul de sacs. But Phoenix
Speaker 1: is tight.
Speaker 3: No, it is tight for sure. Yeah. I mean you
Speaker 3: were in a good area too. Great food around there.
Speaker 1: Good food, good vegan food, you know. I mean.
Speaker 2: The only part I don't like Phoenix really, and I
Speaker 2: hate to be negative, is like the downtown Scottsdale area.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, old town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just not my thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I could see why not. It's very
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you own a club, a club
Speaker 3: in old Town Scott's.
Speaker 1: Which is a good business play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and it's also the only black club
Speaker 3: in Scottsdale, so you know it's a hip hop club.
Speaker 3: We're booking like fucking whoever you could think of it.
Speaker 3: We just had Boston Richie Friday.
Speaker 1: Oh really sick. That's tight. I like Tempi though.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The Tempe's a vibe. Downtown Phoenix is a vibe.
Speaker 1: You see. They had a candlelight vigil last night in
Speaker 1: Tempe for the goon for naughticham alone, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: goon in Heaven. Goon too soon?
Speaker 3: Dude, that this whole fucking guy becoming like the mascot
Speaker 3: for gooning on Twitter.
Speaker 1: It's horrible, bro.
Speaker 3: It's so funny. My kids were like, my my son
Speaker 3: is like, yo, dad, you see they had a they
Speaker 3: had a they had a fucking they had a gooner role.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, what.
Speaker 1: The full text to me? The dude organize. He's like,
Speaker 1: you gotta pull up and I was already here and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, oh that would have been
Speaker 1: fired all right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, there was like for people who don't know,
Speaker 3: there's like this guy's fucking forever on internet. Brain what
Speaker 3: brought Hall of fame. This guy who caught my friend
Speaker 3: owns that.
Speaker 1: Place, Bikini Breast Bikini Beans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my friend Ben owns that place. Oh shit, so
Speaker 3: he posts. It's funny because he posted the video. He
Speaker 3: was the first guy that posted, and I just reposted
Speaker 3: it on my story within seconds. I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: track this creeped out.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, and then like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Two days later it was like the guy killed himself
Speaker 3: and I felt kind of bad, yeah, because I was like, fuck,
Speaker 3: I shared that video.
Speaker 1: Fuck was it two full days?
Speaker 3: I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I thought he went straight to a parking lot in
Speaker 1: Goodyear and just did the deed that.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know all the deats. I
Speaker 3: just know this guy is now, you know, fucking I
Speaker 3: didn't even know what dooning he was before two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: You know about the Gilbert Goons, though, right, of course
Speaker 1: have you them?
Speaker 3: Have you? Have you done anything? No Gilbert Good? No,
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I was focused on the border and I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about this ship. But now,
Speaker 2: looking back, I wish I had an exclusive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Gilbert Goons. For people who don't know, it's
Speaker 3: like this Gilbert is like the nicest area you could
Speaker 3: possibly live in. It's like one of them is pretty
Speaker 3: big Mormon area too. But just these fucking they get it.
Speaker 1: They killed somebody, right, Rich kid gangs, rich kid Gary's
Speaker 1: you know, but like, dude, real ones, No, rich high
Speaker 1: school kid gangs are terrifying.
Speaker 2: They catch bodies. There was one in Laurel Canyon, the
Speaker 2: Wonderland Gang. Yeah, the three eleven Boys in Las Vegas
Speaker 2: and Seattle. You had a gang called Spruce Mob that
Speaker 2: would hit licks at every house party. They never caught
Speaker 2: a body. But these kids got none to lose, no money.
Speaker 3: Their parents are by.
Speaker 1: Lawyers charged as juveniles.
Speaker 3: Their daddy didn't love them enough, wasn't around enough. And
Speaker 3: what are they listening to? Fucking Chief Keef and fucking
Speaker 3: NBA young boy.
Speaker 1: And so we're not gonna blame no Jumper for that, yo.
Speaker 3: It's so oh my god, that's funny. Dude. You're obviously
Speaker 3: a big hip hop fan. Who were your like like like, like,
Speaker 3: who would you say he is like your favorite hip
Speaker 3: hop artists of all time?
Speaker 2: I mean I grew up in like the litl Be
Speaker 2: Chief Key Cooks and Space Ghost Purp generation, you know,
Speaker 2: in between odd Future and trippy red if that makes.
Speaker 3: Sense, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean this is good
Speaker 3: hip hop in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was kind of my era. I mean now,
Speaker 2: like I listened to a lot of Lah. I listened
Speaker 2: to a lot of sped up Florida music. Like I
Speaker 2: listened to a lot of jack Boy obviously Kodak, but
Speaker 2: you ever heard a nine to five to four fast
Speaker 2: pitch before DJ Frisco, DJ Fetti Fee.
Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of.
Speaker 3: Shit like that. The crazy shit is I had, you know,
Speaker 3: me and Denzel career homies and where I was like, yo, man,
Speaker 3: like first of all, Space Ghost Perp. He don't get
Speaker 3: enough fucking love for the influence he had. But like
Speaker 3: if Raider Clan and Asap Mob never beefed, yeah, Like,
Speaker 3: there was just so many possibilities that could have played out, dude.
Speaker 2: And you know, we remember a public school breakfast when
Speaker 2: you going to give you the apple wrapped in plastic
Speaker 2: and a couple of eggs. So when I was in
Speaker 2: sixth grade, I used to go to public school breakfas
Speaker 2: and there was this dude that would sit at the
Speaker 2: table across from me. His name was Keishawn. He ended
Speaker 2: up joining Raider Clan and he was the only Seattle member.
Speaker 2: He's a rapper named key Niata. So we got to
Speaker 2: meet some of like the og Raider Clan people at
Speaker 2: one of his first concerts in Capitol Hills. So I
Speaker 2: had met like space Cohos, Purp and Denzel Curry and
Speaker 2: young Sammy when I was like fourteen, And I thought
Speaker 2: about that too, like if the asap Purp thing never happened,
Speaker 2: which was all about the vocabulary and the Vale replacement
Speaker 2: with the excess and V's being taken, if that didn't happen,
Speaker 2: I don't know what would have happened. But Purp is legend,
Speaker 2: little Bee also legend.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I wish I had more for you,
Speaker 1: but just the whole.
Speaker 3: When you're a kid in Seattle, do you just like
Speaker 3: fucking Maclamore.
Speaker 2: Let's go, well, the thing about Malcilmore and this is
Speaker 2: why Seattle guy, by the way, I fucked with Macklimore.
Speaker 2: This is why Seattle is such a hater city. Bro
Speaker 2: is because Malcilmore was the most respected underground legend.
Speaker 3: For yeah No for a few years, Like he was
Speaker 3: like an underground rapper bro.
Speaker 2: He went to Garfield High School. He's not a suburban cat.
Speaker 2: Malcolm was a certified, respected battle rapper, freestyle rapper from
Speaker 2: the inner city of Seattle who had the most respect.
Speaker 2: The moment Thrift Shop comes out, it hits a billion views,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's the people in Seattle are like, haha, Mackelmore,
Speaker 2: this and that instantaneously hometown hate and jealousy.
Speaker 3: Which is crazy because it's like, dude, this guy's such.
Speaker 1: A good guy, such a good that's a band man.
Speaker 1: He's from the same neighborhood as me.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Yeah, he's such a good guy, dude, and
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, I think it's been just dope
Speaker 3: to see him like unapologetically take a stand for a
Speaker 3: fucking what's going on in Palestine.
Speaker 1: He goes MLK on him, he does, he said some
Speaker 1: I forget what he said. No, he talks like MLK
Speaker 1: on him. You ever hear him fucking Malcolm wore being
Speaker 1: like I'm taking a stand, you know, it's of Yeah,
Speaker 1: he does it once every five years, and when he
Speaker 1: does it, he's not fucking playing.
Speaker 3: I remember when he jumped on the fuck Donald Trump remix.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, damn that song.
Speaker 3: I forgot about He's on the Fuck Donald Trump remix?
Speaker 3: It was I think it was him and G Easy.
Speaker 3: I think it was why Yeah, it was y G.
Speaker 3: G Easy in Maclamore.
Speaker 2: G Easy went to the small Catholic Catholic college that
Speaker 2: I went to in New Orleans. But check it out
Speaker 2: when that when I hear that instrumental from Fuck Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: it gives me goosebumps because that was it was being
Speaker 2: played during all the riots in Minneapolis. I can smell,
Speaker 2: I can feel the flames from the precinct burning on
Speaker 2: my face when I hear that instrumental.
Speaker 3: Holy shit, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: That one and the beginning of the Fuck the Police
Speaker 2: instrumental before Boosey starts rapping with those two songs.
Speaker 1: You'll never experience life until you're around a burning cop
Speaker 1: car with the song's playing.
Speaker 3: What's what's next?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: I'm this obviously. I know you you're gonna keep the
Speaker 3: channel growing and doing big ship, but like, you know,
Speaker 3: are you going to continue to do documentaries?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do you think that with the success of this is
Speaker 3: the goal that I get to deal with Netflix, maybe
Speaker 3: be able to sell the next one to one of
Speaker 3: these bigger platforms.
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to work with them really.
Speaker 2: I mean, actually, you know what, I just don't want
Speaker 2: to be put in a position again to where my
Speaker 2: future is in the hands of somebody and some people
Speaker 2: I don't know. So I would definitely work with NETFLI
Speaker 2: in a licensing capacity, but I want every movie that
Speaker 2: I drop, I want to drop by myself first on
Speaker 2: my own websites, and I'm gonna go to them with
Speaker 2: the numbers and say, hey, if you like this, would
Speaker 2: you like to license it for a year. I won't
Speaker 2: post it on my platform. You guys can make as
Speaker 2: much money off you want off of it as you want,
Speaker 2: like masterp that style. Because whenever you're a documentary filmmaker
Speaker 2: and you go to a streaming platform HBO and Netflix,
Speaker 2: Prime to be whatever, they're going to calculate how much
Speaker 2: money that they're going to give you based upon a
Speaker 2: minimum guarantee, which is calculated by your engagement. So if
Speaker 2: you're in obscurity, if you're in nobody with a dope documentary,
Speaker 2: they're going to be incentivized to give you a small number.
Speaker 2: But if you're somebody who can say, hey, dear Kelly
Speaker 2: did fifty thousand streams in the first month.
Speaker 1: Here's how much money we made. Here's the reaction.
Speaker 2: How would you like to go into business together? You
Speaker 2: license it, do as much as you want with it,
Speaker 2: then give it back one day so I can die
Speaker 2: with the ip.
Speaker 1: That is the best situation. They tell you you can't
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: Has anyone done it before? No?
Speaker 2: No, because because what the platform say is, I know
Speaker 2: it's not that much money, and I know that we're
Speaker 2: going to own it. It's not going to be years,
Speaker 2: but you're going to be famous, and then that exposure
Speaker 2: is going to be your gateway into owning your content
Speaker 2: in the future one day. This is a model that
Speaker 2: I thought of, and once I explained it to my agent,
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, that's possible, and I was like, oh shit, really.
Speaker 1: He's like yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean if you show why wouldn't they want Because
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you have such a
Speaker 3: niche audience, and if it's something that you've already shown
Speaker 3: the proof of concept for like hey, no, it worked,
Speaker 3: we have this is then this is what we did.
Speaker 3: This is the buzz behind the movie. I mean, why
Speaker 3: wouldn't they license it?
Speaker 1: Not a few reasons, but I mean, you know, in general.
Speaker 2: Obviously I've had some controversy in the past that makes
Speaker 2: it difficult for them, and secondly marketing budget.
Speaker 3: The controversy that you had, I thought it was. I mean,
Speaker 3: you don't have to speak on it, but I think
Speaker 3: just from a perspective of somebody who follows you and
Speaker 3: I think I gather what transpired. Yeah, I just thought
Speaker 3: it was It was very very uh Aziz an Zari
Speaker 3: type situation. In my opinion, it was like, yeah, are
Speaker 3: we really trying to cancel this guy?
Speaker 1: And what happened behind the scenes is more unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Yet to speak on it, but the point is is
Speaker 3: that I just felt like, you know, I felt like
Speaker 3: your situation and DISEASA situation was like the personification of
Speaker 3: cancel culture getting a little fucking out of hand. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like what are we doing here? But that's just me,
Speaker 3: I know, you know, like you said, you haven't spoke
Speaker 3: about behind the scenes, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was basically, without giving too much information
Speaker 2: out because it's going to all come at at one time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a lawyer and a group of people who
Speaker 2: most of whom I didn't know, trying to bait me
Speaker 2: into a civil settlement to give them a portion of
Speaker 2: the HBO movie payout. But I didn't play ball with
Speaker 2: these people. They sent out press releases to the media
Speaker 2: outlets who basically ran these pieces as a pressure tactic.
Speaker 2: So I had to the only way out of that
Speaker 2: situation really was to kind of like just bite the
Speaker 2: bullet and move on.
Speaker 3: Wow. So they really try to, yeah, bully you into
Speaker 3: a payday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't do it. But I had to
Speaker 1: deal with you know, I had to really make a choice.
Speaker 3: You had to face it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if I were to pay the money to
Speaker 2: these people, then there'd be an NDA and nobody would
Speaker 2: learn about it. That's what most of the celebrities in
Speaker 2: the industry do. I was actually advised to do that
Speaker 2: by some of the people I was working with. They said,
Speaker 2: you know what, this is a part of becoming famous.
Speaker 2: You're going to have people who try to get money
Speaker 2: out of you. The best thing to do is take
Speaker 2: the L financially and hold on to your career. And
Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I'm actually not going to
Speaker 2: take the L financially because if I pay somebody out
Speaker 2: for something I didn't do, then what's going to happen?
Speaker 2: Five years down the line, if I continue to have
Speaker 2: success and they have that on me, it's going to.
Speaker 1: Go up and up and up. I just I didn't
Speaker 1: want to be on that hook.
Speaker 2: But the point is because I haven't really spoke too
Speaker 2: much about that situation with receipts, yet I still have
Speaker 2: this issue to where like even today, People Magazine was
Speaker 2: supposed to run a feature on me. They had the
Speaker 2: whole thing written, and then ten minutes before it's supposed
Speaker 2: to come out, up the editor in chief, because of
Speaker 2: the controversy, decided to nix the story.
Speaker 3: These guys are pussies, but.
Speaker 2: That's the world they live in. It's so crazy, So
Speaker 2: I'd be crazy to pretend like that's not a road
Speaker 2: block to getting my shit on Netflix, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think if there's anything that hopefully,
Speaker 3: you know, we think about the positives that could happen
Speaker 3: with fucking old fucking orange face being president again, is
Speaker 3: like a lot of that shit gets eased up and
Speaker 3: and and you know it sucks too because you also
Speaker 3: see like a lot of these fools just bend in
Speaker 3: the kneed to trump and like getting rid of, like,
Speaker 3: you know, shit just to bend the need of Trump. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's like, yo, man, like we got to stop
Speaker 3: fucking like just getting people out of here for no reason.
Speaker 3: And it's become like, you know, there's a real economy
Speaker 3: behind it, Like there's an economy behind, there's commerce behind
Speaker 3: making us hate each other. Yeah, and there isn't it.
Speaker 3: There's this there's a whole black market, you know, economy
Speaker 3: behind trying to cancel people or blackmail im legally and
Speaker 3: cold legally blackmail people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you asked about, you know, the BLM movement too,
Speaker 2: and I think it's the same thing with the me
Speaker 2: too movement. A lot of things start off with a
Speaker 2: genuine purpose, but then the tail end becomes an industry.
Speaker 2: It's based upon generating capital.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the me too thing got pretty out
Speaker 3: of hand quick. It was like, yeah, fucking Harvey Weinstein's
Speaker 3: a fucking steaming pile of dog shit. And this is
Speaker 3: something that obviously happens and it should be addressed. But
Speaker 3: if someone hits on you, that doesn't mean that they
Speaker 3: sexually like, it's just like it shit, Like I think
Speaker 3: I think I don't remember all the details of his
Speaker 3: ease thing, but I think he flirted with someone and
Speaker 3: it didn't go well, and like he I think he
Speaker 3: lost his show on Netflix definitely. I mean he's yet
Speaker 3: to return, you know, which is crazy because he's like
Speaker 3: one of the guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to if you really want to have
Speaker 2: a mind fuck, the person who leads the Creating Evidence Lab,
Speaker 2: which is an online workshop that teaches you how to
Speaker 2: basically extract a confession from somebody, is Harvey Weinstein's defense attorney.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like it's it's like a black Mirror episode,
Speaker 2: Like this shit is really this shit's really full circle.
Speaker 3: What is your opinion on a guy like Joe Rogan?
Speaker 2: I like him, Yeah, I mean, obviously I disagree with
Speaker 2: some of the things he said, but I think that
Speaker 2: as a podcaster, what he's been able to achieve in
Speaker 2: some of the conversations that I've I've seen him have before,
Speaker 2: I think he does a great job. I mean, especially
Speaker 2: if you think about, like the fact that when he
Speaker 2: came onto the scene, you know, podcasting wasn't what it
Speaker 2: was today, and so I almost feel like he kind
Speaker 2: of paved the way for podcasts to be taken more seriously. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I know, he's like an easy person to target,
Speaker 2: and you know, I did meet him one time and
Speaker 2: he wasn't the nicest to me.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. But you know, I feel
Speaker 3: like you're gonna end up on that show.
Speaker 1: I hope so, bro.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, like, but then when you
Speaker 3: go on there, when you go on there, they're gonna
Speaker 3: be like because now you know, obviously Joe Rogan's a Nazi,
Speaker 3: you know, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna be you know.
Speaker 3: And I think with Rogan is like I always just
Speaker 3: appreciate the fact that like he just I've learned about
Speaker 3: like archaeology on his podcast and I never would have
Speaker 3: or fucking self sustained farming or just like the most
Speaker 3: random shit, it's tight. And when it comes to like
Speaker 3: political shit, like he'll have like I remember there was
Speaker 3: like two a couple of years ago. He had like
Speaker 3: one guy who was uh, pro climate change and then
Speaker 3: another guy who was anti climate change, and he interviewed
Speaker 3: them and back to back days and then got them
Speaker 3: together to have like a discussion, and I'm like, well
Speaker 3: that and it was like four hours long. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: you're not getting that.
Speaker 1: You're not going to see shit like that elsewhere.
Speaker 2: And I think it also speaks to like people's attention
Speaker 2: attention span, even though the social media algorithm would tell
Speaker 2: you that people have like a short attention span. People
Speaker 2: are still watching three and a half hour podcast for sure.
Speaker 2: Foples are still going to watch this whole podcast and
Speaker 2: they're gonna like it.
Speaker 3: You know, what are your thoughts on? Uh, you were
Speaker 3: on the ground for January sixth. I was nearby nearby.
Speaker 3: Oh you weren't there, Okay, okay, okay, yeah, okay, so
Speaker 3: you weren't there, that's right.
Speaker 2: I was there for like three different pump fakes where
Speaker 2: they said like we're gonna take the Capitol and they
Speaker 2: would get close and be like not today.
Speaker 3: So I want to know your thoughts because I thought
Speaker 3: it was I thought that with the j sixers, I
Speaker 3: guess I think that there was probably some people who
Speaker 3: probably should have been pardoned who walked into a building,
Speaker 3: and then I think there were people who deservingly attacked
Speaker 3: Capitol police officers. Yeah, there was like this blanket party
Speaker 3: where I was like, I don't know if you should
Speaker 3: have partnered all of them, like maybe half like, because
Speaker 3: I do think that there was genuinely people. I mean,
Speaker 3: there was a dude who got arrested who shot his
Speaker 3: mixtape cover in the Capitol that day, whoa like some
Speaker 3: rapper just because he was there, and like they that's hard. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I feel like there were people there who just
Speaker 3: like genuinely like walked in with their phones, like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is crazy, we're in the Capitol.
Speaker 1: I hate to be that guy, but like, dude, the
Speaker 1: people who should be in jail for January sixth is
Speaker 1: like Trump, if you really want to start locking people
Speaker 1: up for that, it's the people who told these these
Speaker 1: masses that the election was stolen and that they had
Speaker 1: to take their country back. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think too, is they. I think that that Trump
Speaker 3: knew it wasn't stolen. That's the problem. If Trump truly
Speaker 3: believed the election was stolen, then okay, But I don't
Speaker 3: think he truly believed the election was stolen. I think
Speaker 3: it's just like Rudy Giuliotti, by the way, he's a
Speaker 3: piece of shit, God Jesus, the most cringiest. I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 3: out of everybody from the last eight years, I should
Speaker 3: just love to see him fucking just eat shit.
Speaker 1: Fuck Rudy Giuliani. Yeah, especially because he was like a
Speaker 1: nine to eleven hero and he had.
Speaker 3: To fucked around and do this such a piece of shit, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but honestly, like if you look at some of
Speaker 1: their prison sentences, some of them were just.
Speaker 3: Outrageous, outrageous and like some people like I think we're
Speaker 3: just being held without a court date all this time,
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, if this teacher like stumbled into
Speaker 3: the as long there were people who showed up with
Speaker 3: zip ties like attacked officers, that guy should be in
Speaker 3: jail for sure. He should never you know, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on because you you have covered
Speaker 3: the Proud Boys. I know, the Proud Boys leader in
Speaker 3: Rique what's his last Enrique Tarrio, he just got pardoned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm close with a lot of people
Speaker 2: who got pardoned. Yeah, I mean they probably don't like
Speaker 2: me now because of the HBO documentary. Unfortunately, the way
Speaker 2: I was made to posture in that film burned a
Speaker 2: lot of bridges with the conservatives.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: They basically made me.
Speaker 2: They tried to like posture me into this like misinformation Watchdog,
Speaker 2: who was like super blue pillar that just existed to like,
Speaker 2: you know, just a Trump and exposed expose white nationalism.
Speaker 2: I'm obviously like, I will do that if that's what's
Speaker 2: happening with the They made me editorialize it so much
Speaker 2: to where like I'm saying shit at the end on
Speaker 2: this director's chair monologue that I didn't have a choice
Speaker 2: a choice in where I'm saying like Enrique Tario couldn't even.
Speaker 1: Stomach the fire that he'd fueled, just like pussy as
Speaker 1: shit like that.
Speaker 3: I wonder because from when I get I one time
Speaker 3: we were in Vegas, me and my boys, and we
Speaker 3: just happened to be there the night Trump had a
Speaker 3: he had a fucking rally, And I think we're staying
Speaker 3: at Treasure Island or some Sure, we're staying some and
Speaker 3: we happen to be staying where the Proud Boys are staying. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I'm playing Roulette and these and I'm like, real,
Speaker 3: like my boy he's like hey, He's like, I think
Speaker 3: we're surrounded by Proud boys.
Speaker 1: Where they were in Fred Perry's, they were wearing like.
Speaker 3: Polo shirts yeah, golden yellow gold yeah right yeah, And
Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, but like what, like I
Speaker 3: want to say, only one of the dudes at the
Speaker 3: roulette table with us was actually white.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if.
Speaker 3: Would you consider the Proud Boys. I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: I agree with anything they do because I think they're
Speaker 3: like more of like a pro masculinity group. But would
Speaker 3: you consider them a white supremacist group, because that is
Speaker 3: the Yeah, No, not at all.
Speaker 2: They're like a nationalist group, like a nationalist drinking club.
Speaker 2: They're kind of like soccer hooligans, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: they just get fucked up together and like they yell
Speaker 2: about sports and also politics.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, because I remember because one of the guys
Speaker 3: who started the Proud Boys is one of the founders
Speaker 3: of Vice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gavin mckinnis. I think that he has some white
Speaker 2: supremacist tendencies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he because he would dress like fucking you just
Speaker 3: see that motherfucker. Oh, he definitely he's leaning into that shit.
Speaker 2: He definitely fucks with Hitler. But I mean a lot
Speaker 2: of them, I feel like they support nationalist governments. But
Speaker 2: there's also been nationalist governments like Pinochette Pinochet and Chile.
Speaker 2: He wasn't white, right, you know, but he was still
Speaker 2: a dictator. There's been plenty of brown fascists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what people you know, there's this like
Speaker 3: when we talked a little bit earlier about like kind
Speaker 3: of like the intersection of like Biden or not Biden,
Speaker 3: of Bernie and Trump. Yeah, and like I guess the
Speaker 3: quote unquote like America first approach. Yeah, and it's like
Speaker 3: it's it's it's not necessary. It's just it's not uh,
Speaker 3: it's not if it's if Bernie says it is not
Speaker 3: white supremacy. Yeah, but they align even if it's on
Speaker 3: like twenty percent of that.
Speaker 2: I mean, some of the Proud Boys are like urbanized,
Speaker 2: like trendy people. I remember in twenty seventeen, I was
Speaker 2: at a bar in New York City called Mehnada, which
Speaker 2: was like this gay bar, and all the gay Proud
Speaker 2: Boys had their annual meeting there.
Speaker 1: So I walk up in there.
Speaker 2: It'saw all these like trendy gay dudes with like earrings
Speaker 2: and shit, and they're wearing the Fred Perry yellow and
Speaker 2: black polos and Maga hats, talking about you know, these
Speaker 2: gay dudes talking about how you know Trump's gonna help
Speaker 2: the gaze out because they're like gay people who don't
Speaker 2: like trans people, so they're just like raging about trans people.
Speaker 2: So I'm in there right, I'm kicking it. Was an accident, right,
Speaker 2: I'm just getting to drink. Like, they don't recognize me.
Speaker 2: So I'm just chilling and I go outside and there's
Speaker 2: like this black dude chilling out there.
Speaker 1: I look at him. I'm like, are you a gay
Speaker 1: proud boy? And he was like, what the fuck? I'm
Speaker 1: not one of those motherfuckers. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: my bad dog. Yeah, I was joking around. He's like,
Speaker 1: you think I'm part of that.
Speaker 2: White supremacist shit. You think I'm gay too. I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm just joking. He was like, fuck you hoe me
Speaker 2: my back inside, and that she was. So I still
Speaker 2: think about that all the time.
Speaker 3: Is there anything you're are you? Are you plotting on
Speaker 3: trying to maybe cover like any of these part and
Speaker 3: folks to just see what you know. I'm so over
Speaker 3: I know you've said that in the documentary.
Speaker 1: You're over this shit, dude. It's not that interesting.
Speaker 2: That's the thing is, Like I'm on this platform talking
Speaker 2: about or Kelly because I worked on it for so
Speaker 2: long and I think it has some level of like relevance,
Speaker 2: and so does January sixth. But I've been like in
Speaker 2: the January sixth media realm for like four years. I
Speaker 2: want to move on to like actually cool shit, Like
Speaker 2: I got this project coming out soon about like different
Speaker 2: sovereignty movements in the US and also like endangered languages
Speaker 2: in the US, like Cajun, French, Golageechee, Navajo language, some
Speaker 2: like Alaskan dude, all types.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've done it yet because you've
Speaker 3: done so much, but I think the I think there
Speaker 3: has to be the story of like the reservations across
Speaker 3: the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've done a little bit.
Speaker 2: But like when I was that was the best thing
Speaker 2: about living in Arizona Navajo. I got super tapped in
Speaker 2: with the natives. Yeah, shout out talking about Homie Kenneth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shouts of the natives. Man, And like it's kind
Speaker 3: of crazy, Like, you know, there's like a real fucking
Speaker 3: like if you drive through the res houses are they're
Speaker 3: fucking living on, Like it's kind of crazy how a
Speaker 3: lot of these houses are constructed. Yeah, trailer parks. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of drug use, there's a lot of alcoholism,
Speaker 3: and it's like I just feel like, you know, that's
Speaker 3: a very interesting story that needs to be told.
Speaker 2: Also, the difference is between the different reservations in Arizona.
Speaker 2: Like if you go to Cells, which is in the
Speaker 2: Tahona Odom Nation west of Tucson, that place looks like
Speaker 2: it's in the Third World country. I mean, it is
Speaker 2: broken down. You go somewhere like window Rock, which is
Speaker 2: in the Four Corners area in the Navajo Reservation, and
Speaker 2: you're like, damn, they got their shit together right for sure.
Speaker 2: And it shows how the Bureau of Indian Affairs kind
Speaker 2: of picks and shoeses where where it gets investment. And
Speaker 2: so that was the coolest shit about Arizona living there
Speaker 2: is learning about the different reservations, the cultural differences. And
Speaker 2: I'm actually producing my first ever like fictional TV show
Speaker 2: with an all native cast from Arizona.
Speaker 3: Most Oh.
Speaker 2: It's called Borders. We're still like getting the pilot done,
Speaker 2: but I play a journalist in it.
Speaker 1: And it's sick.
Speaker 2: It's about it's sort of about the tahonah Odem Reservation
Speaker 2: on the border. So it has to do with the
Speaker 2: idea of like multiple borders in one state. There's cartel characters.
Speaker 2: We got Danny Trejo's son Gilbert on that bitch. We
Speaker 2: got hell of different shit. I'm excited and so you're
Speaker 2: producing that to pitch it essentially, Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: for a TV show, I'd rather pitch it as opposed
Speaker 2: to drop it or independently. Of course, if nobody wants
Speaker 2: to take it, I'll post it on Channel five and
Speaker 2: the whole cast will be there at the end in
Speaker 2: a dark room being like.
Speaker 1: Please pick this up.
Speaker 3: It's not a bad idea. Man. Is there anything that
Speaker 3: you have besides the Chatz thing that, because of safety
Speaker 3: or because you just think it wasn't in good taste,
Speaker 3: ended up being something you decided not to release. Yeah.
Speaker 2: After the George Floyd riots, I went back to the
Speaker 2: Target and the kmart that got looted the next morning
Speaker 2: and did like a consumer research study about all the
Speaker 2: items that didn't get looted, you know. So it was like,
Speaker 2: this is a message to Target corporate, like there are
Speaker 2: certain items that you have that are so undesirable that
Speaker 2: even when it's open season, that's going to be left
Speaker 2: on the racks. And it was like Honica sweaters, and
Speaker 2: like certain game systems that like fools just would not steal.
Speaker 3: What game systems would they stay?
Speaker 2: I don't know that well, they wanted the PlayStations in
Speaker 2: the Xbox, but it was like some of the off
Speaker 2: brand VR headsets were just left right, We're just gonna
Speaker 2: leave those. Yeah, and even like beats by Dre they
Speaker 2: had some left right there, and I was like, damn.
Speaker 2: So I feel like it was important market research. And
Speaker 2: so it was called what they Didn't Loot and it
Speaker 2: was just like a you know, an item by item analysis.
Speaker 2: But then I sent it to my boss and he's like,
Speaker 2: this is a trespassing charge and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, you still keep in contact with with Kelly?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because you you got pretty emotional. Well,
Speaker 3: I would say you got emotional in the movie at
Speaker 3: a certain point. I don't want to spoil the movie,
Speaker 3: but obviously, being you know, around somebody for so long,
Speaker 3: you guys become friends, you know, yeah, how often you
Speaker 3: guys talk? And what does he think about the movie?
Speaker 1: He loves the movie, Yeah, which is relatively surprising.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's not. I mean, I think you end
Speaker 3: up kind of I watched that movie and I ended
Speaker 3: up like like feeling for the guy.
Speaker 2: The movie is not anti Kelly, it's not. It's also
Speaker 2: not about converting someone to becoming a liberal. No, it's
Speaker 2: just a study of family and the intersection of politics
Speaker 2: between generations with an American family that's sort of splintered
Speaker 2: by it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he likes it.
Speaker 2: Only like I was hoping and I'm still hoping that
Speaker 2: there's kind of a breakthrough that happens after he sees it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I like to think that the movie maybe is the
Speaker 2: missing piece and all of this. But he's seen it
Speaker 2: several times. He came to two different tour dates on
Speaker 2: the Channel five tour last summer, and then he also
Speaker 2: came to the premiere in Huntington Beach two and a
Speaker 2: half weeks ago, and each.
Speaker 1: Time he was kind of like hell yeah, like sick.
Speaker 1: So it's a bit confusing.
Speaker 3: I thought what I actually loved about was that he
Speaker 3: left you a voicemail when you were going through your shit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you play that voicemail and it was like, damn,
Speaker 3: Like this dude, he's a good dude. Yeah, Like he's
Speaker 3: not a bad guy.
Speaker 1: Like, and he's capable of giving really good advice when
Speaker 1: it matters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like he's obviously he's obviously a smart guy,
Speaker 3: because you don't become a lawyer and not be it.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I would say they aren't fucking idiots
Speaker 3: or lawyers. But it's like this guy had like a
Speaker 3: like when you were showing some of his like family
Speaker 3: footage with like all the animals they owned, and shit,
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, this dude really had the American dream,
Speaker 3: like fucking figure it out for real.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of one of the subtexts of the
Speaker 2: film too, is like he did achieve the American dream,
Speaker 2: and what the American dream is on paper is literally
Speaker 2: shifting classes, being able to go from a working class.
Speaker 3: Because he grew up in like I said, trailer trailer park.
Speaker 2: And boom, dude, imagine that twenty years later, after hard
Speaker 2: work and dedication, you go to Pepperdine for law and
Speaker 2: you're in Laguna Hills living like Zoe one oh one,
Speaker 2: and then boom, all of a sudden, it goes away
Speaker 2: and the American Dream breaks in front of your eyes.
Speaker 2: And especially if you're conditioned by the Reagan era with
Speaker 2: that like hyper positivity Bootstrafts mentality, that is like it
Speaker 2: might as well be the fabric of space time warping
Speaker 2: when that happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's crazy, man. It's such a good movie, dude, people,
Speaker 3: and you know you can ran.
Speaker 1: It for five bucks, five dollars and fifty five cents.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I think I think everyone should check it out.
Speaker 3: I feel like, especially if you're like a fucking hardcore lefty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the thing is like a lot of a
Speaker 2: lot of hardcore a lot of hardcore lefties.
Speaker 1: They want to pretend like these people don't exist.
Speaker 3: Or they're not like people, like they're not like hey,
Speaker 3: like just be like, yes, they're crazy. They're holding the
Speaker 3: signs and they're on the they're screaming at you outside.
Speaker 3: But what is like that's a person at the end
Speaker 3: of the day in a backstory.
Speaker 2: A huge backstory, And in a way, this movie is
Speaker 2: kind of for them to say, Hey, if you do
Speaker 2: want a revolution, if you want a progressive future, you
Speaker 2: have to figure out how to incorporate the millions and
Speaker 2: millions of people like Kelly who have valid economic grievances,
Speaker 2: who were hypnotized by political media and are now working
Speaker 2: for the enemy as they see it. Right, you can't
Speaker 2: just have a utopian future without figuring out a path
Speaker 2: to stability and mental mental strength and solitude for these people.
Speaker 2: Not solitude mental like whatever the word is, like a
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like for sure, mental health services,
Speaker 2: but you know, not every Trump supporters.
Speaker 1: It's like a head case. I'm just saying no for sure.
Speaker 3: No, no, I think And then I think that's the
Speaker 3: other thing too, man is I just think like what
Speaker 3: you do is you have context and nuanced to just
Speaker 3: so many divisive issues. And I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: if somebody watched, like you know, any of your coverage
Speaker 3: that you've had over the years, Bro, it's like it's like, Yo,
Speaker 3: there's not it's not. We're all in the gray area
Speaker 3: and we act like it's black or white.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's more people in that zone than
Speaker 1: you like to think.
Speaker 3: So would you do a podcast?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it, bro, I'm thinking about it. But
Speaker 1: the thing that scares me about.
Speaker 2: A podcast is like you look at dudes like Stevo
Speaker 2: who have had crazy lives, but they've done a million podcasts.
Speaker 2: At some point you've told every story and the lore
Speaker 2: kind of goes away, at least for somebody like me
Speaker 2: that has a sort of like in field mystique to myself.
Speaker 3: Now that's fair, Yeah, no, that's fair. I think I
Speaker 3: think you're not overexposed personally, right.
Speaker 2: I don't want to tell people and I'm also like,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of smart, but I'm more of a listener
Speaker 2: than a talker, Like you've been in the radio, like
Speaker 2: you know what you're doing. Not saying I'm a bad podcaster,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if I have a take for everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I do feel like what you do is
Speaker 3: like a version of I mean, it's all content, right, podcasts,
Speaker 3: the content of v logs, content, a mini documentaries, content Like,
Speaker 3: So I think what you do, man, is I think
Speaker 3: unless you think you're doing a podcast will add to
Speaker 3: like the overall like mission of journalism. Yeah, then you know,
Speaker 3: just double down on the ship you're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One thing that I would do is like a hybrid
Speaker 2: between I guess Channel five and software Underbelly. I want
Speaker 2: to get an ambulance, buy an ambulance and kind of
Speaker 2: gut the back and turn it into a mobile studio
Speaker 2: where I can talk to just like random people, not
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pull up the Yeah, I'm gonna pull up
Speaker 3: wherever sweet yeah right, kid row. It could be fucking yeah,
Speaker 3: the White Lives Matter in Huntington Beach. It could be anything.
Speaker 2: So I would do a podcast with like random people
Speaker 2: and sometimes famous people. But not just famous people, right,
Speaker 2: you know because famous.
Speaker 3: Well, you're the only person I think that's interviewed to Yeat.
Speaker 2: Actually Complex got him, which was very unfortunate, but they
Speaker 2: didn't do it.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, but I felt like, did you have like
Speaker 3: the first interview with Yeat?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well actually our Generation Music got him before, but I
Speaker 3: had early. They were pretty early.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had the first post blow up interview.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Year, He's I I can't wait for hip because
Speaker 3: I feel like he EA's a pretty interesting guy. Heard
Speaker 3: he owns a ton of guns. He's from Portland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Heat's awesome, Like he's like, uh yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I want to know more about him.
Speaker 3: But he's so fucking was there.
Speaker 2: Like yeah right, and so like I want to be
Speaker 2: somewhere in between that and Steve O and Steve O'shit's cool.
Speaker 1: It's I'm not hating on Steve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 1: Just saying everyone knows every story now almost for she's
Speaker 1: done a thousand podcasts.
Speaker 3: Is there anything man for you that you just want
Speaker 3: to kind of like like, Okay, let's say you had
Speaker 3: to kind of you know, twenty years from now, man,
Speaker 3: what do you do you what would you say you
Speaker 3: would want your legacy to be man, hey, man, just
Speaker 3: never fold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just yeah, it's basically it never fold. Just hope
Speaker 1: the war. I hope we're still fighting.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, not the war in God's obviously no no no,
Speaker 3: but just the.
Speaker 2: War message to myself in twenty years. I hope that
Speaker 2: we're still on top, we're still doing our shit. I
Speaker 2: hope we never compromise. I hope we never sell out.
Speaker 2: I hope we never let somebody control us. I hope
Speaker 2: we never let a bureaucratic, corporate media establishment own a
Speaker 2: single percent in Channel five.
Speaker 1: And I hope that the media establishment is dead and gone.
Speaker 3: I think it's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it.
Speaker 3: I think slowly but surely, and you know, I think
Speaker 3: it has to. Man. I just feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: CNN and all these fucks, they're all full of shit.
Speaker 1: Bro, they're full of shit.
Speaker 2: But the problem is, you know's maybe more full of
Speaker 2: shit clickbait reactionary podcasters.
Speaker 3: Oh you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing is you're taking one swamp and
Speaker 1: you're kind of starting a new.
Speaker 3: And it's a bigger swamp that the entry level was zero,
Speaker 3: and you can let anybody can turn a camera on. No,
Speaker 3: for sure, it's it's fucking crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: CNN has to get caught in a lie, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think they've been caught in a few. I don't
Speaker 3: understand why Rogan never sued them for the They made
Speaker 3: his skin yellow, and that whole ivermectin thing was just crazy.
Speaker 1: They made his skin yellow when they put him on TV.
Speaker 3: Yes, they live in Mexico. They made him look like
Speaker 3: he was sick when he did his It was fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: Damn bro, that's whack.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I just they did that for real.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: But it's in saying and I'm like he always said,
Speaker 3: he was like, you know, I could sue him, but
Speaker 3: I just this is not worth it. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you could sue, sue somebody for putting a tent on
Speaker 3: you because they were trying to make it that. I
Speaker 3: think the whole angle of the.
Speaker 2: Story was he was sick. He's getting jaundice from ivermactin. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that's the vibe, right, Like his skin is turning yellow,
Speaker 2: like he's going in septic shop.
Speaker 3: I guess so, man, But yeah, I think I think, man,
Speaker 3: you're doing good work, bro keep it up, and you know,
Speaker 3: I look forward to seeing you guys expand with the
Speaker 3: different correspondence you have all over the world. Any any
Speaker 3: areas you're looking, I would love to see, like somebody
Speaker 3: maybe in Africa like.
Speaker 1: There, I had a homegirl in the UH in the
Speaker 1: Democratic Republic of Congo that I.
Speaker 3: Would say Congo specifically.
Speaker 1: But our policy is if you're going to cover something,
Speaker 1: you have to be from that area.
Speaker 3: At least you know what I'm saying. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: the thing. Though it's also dangerous, like covering those fucking
Speaker 3: minds in Congo are crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're an African person who wants to work
Speaker 2: for Channel five, tap it and you're not scared by
Speaker 2: emails Andrew at Channel five dot news.
Speaker 3: There it is, my guy. I appreciate you coming through.
Speaker 3: Go get the movie.
Speaker 2: Dear Kelly to www dot Dear kellyfilm dot com five
Speaker 2: dollars fifty five cents rental.
Speaker 3: It is amazing. Buy it for fifteen dollars if you
Speaker 3: want to. Yeah, support you gotta support this guy's got
Speaker 3: lawyer fees.
Speaker 1: Support me. I need new ties.
Speaker 2: Shout to pop Eye, Shout out to pop Eye Man
Speaker 2: you know, you know loves this tie Kelly Lefty gunplay
Speaker 2: interview coming soon.
Speaker 3: Oh you interviewed Lefty? Yeah? How how off the shits
Speaker 3: was he at the time he was doing He's a
Speaker 3: good friend of mine.
Speaker 1: He was doing good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he's doing Oh he's the best. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he might be the most. I mean since listen. I
Speaker 3: don't want to compare him to krypt Mac because he
Speaker 3: would hate that, But since Krip Mac, I'm not sure
Speaker 3: we've had a more entertaining personality hit. These internets agreed.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Lefty, shout out to Bootleg keV, shout
Speaker 2: out to Phoenix, shout out to Kelly, shout out to
Speaker 2: Bill Joyner.
Speaker 3: I hope you dropped Bill Joying to drop the fuck
Speaker 3: it soap bro boom my guy appreciate you rather Yeah,