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Speaker 1: Yo, what's up, guys.

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Speaker 2: This is Andrew Callahan from Channel five News. Check me

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Speaker 2: out on the Bootleg keV podcast.

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Speaker 3: Bootleg cav Podcast. Man, we got a special guest in here.

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Speaker 3: This guy just dropped a new movie, an amazing documentary.

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Speaker 3: He's got one of my favorite YouTube channels. He's one

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Speaker 3: of my favorite journalists in the world. My guy Andrew

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Speaker 3: from Channel five has officially touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Man, thank you for having me on bro. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'm a big fans the coolest seeing you

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Speaker 1: grow your platform in the past couple of years. So

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Speaker 1: shout out to Bootleg keV. Shot out to Phoenix too.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, it's crazy because I think I want to

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Speaker 3: say I first kind of found you. It was probably

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Speaker 3: like twenty nineteen. It was when you were you interviewed

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Speaker 3: the Joker Guy in Florida.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it made my first videos, like in the winter

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Speaker 2: of twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen was like the beginning

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Speaker 2: of all gas no breaks. I think my first Joker

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Speaker 2: Gang interview was in the September of twenty nineteen and.

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Speaker 1: Golden in Florida.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I used to live in Tampa, right, So

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Speaker 3: I actually lived in Saint Pete. So I remember seeing

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Speaker 3: that guy go viral when I was living there, and

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Speaker 3: like it was funny to kind of like see the

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Speaker 3: Florida man. Yeah, we'll talk, no crazy.

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Speaker 2: So I went to Miami to find him, Like, I

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Speaker 2: went to Miami first, and I was like, yo, I

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Speaker 2: happened to be in Miami because I didn't want to

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Speaker 2: freak him out and be like I'm coming to find it, right,

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Speaker 2: So I went to Miami. I was like, Yo, what up,

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Speaker 2: Joker three zero five ross Chico alive, I'm in this

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Speaker 2: bitch And he was like, bro, I'm in Saint Pete.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, what, How'd that happen? So I

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Speaker 1: drove through the Everglades in like the middle of the night.

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 3: People don't know that's a wild.

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Speaker 1: Drive alligator alley.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: So I get to say, Pete, I go to the

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Speaker 2: south side of town. I'm like, yo, I'm actually here too,

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Speaker 2: you know, it just happened to be here, And he

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Speaker 2: was like for real, met him at the liquor store,

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Speaker 2: busted the interview at.

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Speaker 3: The South side of Saint Pete's serious yeah, serious area

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Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah no, So I mean, obviously you've been

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Speaker 3: leveling up for a long time. Man. I want to

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Speaker 3: talk about the movie real quick, because it was an

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Speaker 3: emotional watch. It was kind of crazy because we like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think you did such a good job,

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Speaker 3: and you do such a good job of like whatever

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Speaker 3: side of politics you might be on, like humanizing everybody. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, whether it's protesters, whether it's people who are

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Speaker 3: coming over. I mean, you know, I'm i'd subscribe to

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Speaker 3: your Is it a Patreon, Yeah, yeah, because I know

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Speaker 3: there's Patreon and locals. Yeah, I subscribe to the pedophile

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Speaker 3: beaters on the locals, the guys who beat up those

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Speaker 3: guys don't play. They don't play. But no, So I like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I watched your entire episodes at the Border.

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Speaker 3: But you're so good at like just providing context and

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Speaker 3: nuance to all these divisive issues. Yeah, which if you

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Speaker 3: just consume like surface level media, that doesn't happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know. And so with this Kelly guy, for people

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Speaker 3: who don't know you were filming this guy for over

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Speaker 3: four years. Without giving away too much of the movie,

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Speaker 3: you kind of dive into this guy named Kelly who

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Speaker 3: was a successful lawyer. Yeah, had a family, ended up

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Speaker 3: losing his house. Blames it on a guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he blames it on a lender named Bill Joyner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh Bill and his whole entire like life

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Speaker 3: just spirals into this like weird like like Maga sphere. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like the craziest of the crazy, like hanging out outside

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Speaker 3: of abortion clinics. That's how the movie's going hard, you know,

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Speaker 3: up getting close with his kids, very close. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: pretty crazy, like for you, man, like, at what point

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's just like there was over

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Speaker 3: And so when when Kelly was at that like that

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Speaker 3: that was the America Festival that just happened in Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: It happens every like Christmas in Phoenix.

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Speaker 3: But that was the one that just happened. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: Filmed at the America Fest one year before.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that all those years, you end up wrapping

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Speaker 2: With well, like I noticed that even back in the day,

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Speaker 2: like the first I guess conspiracy adjacent rallies I go to,

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Speaker 2: like the flat Earth conference in Dallas, Like I would

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or like this is my cousin, Like he got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty crazy too, because it really makes sense

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Speaker 3: if you because it gives you you know, it's so

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Speaker 2: A little bit, Yeah, a little bit at a little

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Speaker 2: they're disappointed. But I'm like, dude, if you look at

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Speaker 2: He's let aside some personal resentments. But yeah, you're right, bro,

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Speaker 2: Like it's way easier to live in your own self

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Speaker 2: as opposed to acknowledging like different shortcomings and saying, you

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Speaker 3: And like the other thing too, is like, you know,

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Speaker 3: Is it because of immigrants? It is because of you

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Speaker 2: And what's crazy about it is like when you look

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the then diagram with people that go is insane.

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Speaker 2: And they're like, all we both fuck with Trump, it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like, you know, I'm an old school liberal,

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Speaker 3: I think he got fucked over. I mean I don't

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Speaker 1: We're paying for that now.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy. But but like you said, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: it's frustrating because I think over the last I would

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Speaker 3: It's like like maybe there's a trans fighting league.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, that'd be the best league.

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Speaker 3: I mean, dude, I remember during the pandemic. I mean

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Speaker 3: For sure, man Bill Joyner is suing you. Yeah, for

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the lawsuit was filed before the film even

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Speaker 3: You're kind of hoping he's seen the movie maybe eases

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Speaker 2: Mean thankfully, like we filed an anti slap motion. It's

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Speaker 3: And you knew that this lawsuit was already kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because the judge dismissed what's called oral argument. So

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I finished the movie, Dear Kelly, one

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Speaker 2: In comparison, the HBO film was picture locked, so finished

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Speaker 3: Damn, do you feel like this is kind of the

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Speaker 3: is like real journalism, Like we like people will see

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Speaker 3: shit on the news, you're actually like going to wherever

439
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Speaker 3: it's happening and yeah and finding out what is going on.

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Speaker 1: In the field. And we really have no bosses.

441
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Speaker 2: A lot of people they masquerade is being independent, you

442
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Speaker 2: know what I mean because you see him on the

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Speaker 2: street with the you know, but they did I'm with

444
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Speaker 2: Vice I journey right, but you know what I mean,

445
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Speaker 2: Like we're actually like not beholden to anybody, which is

446
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Speaker 2: why they don't like us.

447
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Speaker 3: Think, by the way, thank you for not like doing

448
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Speaker 3: like cringey weird shit like Vice used to do, Like

449
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Speaker 3: I did Heroin for thirty days straight. This is what happened.

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Speaker 1: You know what's crazy though, bro, is that Vice.

451
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Speaker 2: When I was a youngster, I'm twenty, well back in

452
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Speaker 2: the day, it was amazing so sick. So I always

453
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Speaker 2: say when people talk shit about Vice, I'm like, yes,

454
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Speaker 2: WECE makes some pretty ass shit nowadays.

455
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Speaker 1: However, it used to be the ship back when they

456
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Speaker 1: would go to the Congo.

457
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Speaker 2: Dude General Button, remember that, or even the David Show

458
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Speaker 2: series Thumbs Up America. Like, without that series, I probably

459
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Speaker 2: wouldn't hitchhiked across the US, I probably wouldn't have made

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Speaker 2: a videos.

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Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have been here.

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Speaker 3: That shit's crazy.

463
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Speaker 2: They made journalism cool again before Advice, I don't think

464
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Speaker 2: there was anybody actually pushing the envelope except for like

465
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Speaker 2: Louis Thorreau in the UK with BBC. But like, journalism

466
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Speaker 2: wasn't like badass until Vice. Do you care about like

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Speaker 2: being accepted? Like, you know, there's so many people who

468
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Speaker 2: a quote unquote journalists that are mainstream. Do you care

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Speaker 2: about their acceptance or like being seen as like a

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Speaker 2: peer of them?

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Speaker 1: No, No, I don't like journalists like that. Yeah, I

472
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Speaker 1: just don't think I don't want to be accepted by

473
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Speaker 1: journalism or you know, they already don't fuck with me, right,

474
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Speaker 1: they never fucked with me, right, They're never going to.

475
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Speaker 1: So even if I wanted to say.

476
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to, you know, have a bunch

477
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Speaker 2: of friends at the Associated Press and sit down with

478
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Speaker 2: some MSNBC fund It's like, you.

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Speaker 1: Think they would fuck with me. No, but that's because

480
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Speaker 1: we're outsiders.

481
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Speaker 3: Trump's press secretary this morning, we just saw it before

482
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Speaker 3: you walked in, actually said that the White House press

483
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Speaker 3: credentials are o been to anyone who has a YouTube channel,

484
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Speaker 3: TikTok account, a Twitter account that has a following and

485
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Speaker 3: it does news based content.

486
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Speaker 1: Wow, I should apply.

487
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Speaker 3: No, they just posted the website today.

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Speaker 1: Oh shit, Yeah, we should apply.

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Speaker 3: So I think you should apply because I think you

490
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Speaker 3: could ask some questions in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually good questions. And I also feel like,

492
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Speaker 2: at the same time, though, that could be bad if

493
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Speaker 2: they reject people based upon like the pressure, if they

494
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Speaker 2: packed the room with just right wing influencers, right, if

495
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Speaker 2: it's just like fucking Charlie Kirk and you know, yeah, whoever,

496
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Speaker 2: they're just glazers, just glazers.

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Speaker 3: Jesus. It is crazy too, though, because it's almost like

498
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Speaker 3: the extreme left getting soaked wild has kind of like

499
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Speaker 3: commercialized so many of these guys on the right. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: to the point where it's like, you know, if you

501
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Speaker 3: think about like Charlie Kirk or or you know, like

502
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Speaker 3: my kids, Like my son's a mixed kid. He's fucking

503
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Speaker 3: eleven years old and he's seen the kids that dos tiktoks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean, Like it's it's it's

505
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Speaker 3: almost like do you feel like because of because you know,

506
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Speaker 3: I had this conversation with a friend of mine and

507
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Speaker 3: I was like, there's always like a pendulum like swinging right.

508
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Speaker 3: It was like, yo, there wasn't anything Trump could have

509
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Speaker 3: done in twenty twenty to win, Like they could have

510
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Speaker 3: ran a fucking they could have ran anybody against him

511
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Speaker 3: and he would have lost.

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Speaker 1: Oh totally.

513
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Speaker 3: And I feel the same way about like I don't

514
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Speaker 3: think there was probably now again there's the Bernie card,

515
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Speaker 3: but they would never play that Bernie card because it

516
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Speaker 3: isn't you know, but or like someone in that same

517
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Speaker 3: vein that speaks to working class Americans Like honestly, but

518
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Speaker 3: I feel like this Trump thing, it was just like

519
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Speaker 3: a very predictable, like you could feel the pendulum swinging yeah,

520
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Speaker 3: like in real I was like, yo, like I just

521
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Speaker 3: don't see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it's because so many young dudes like shifted

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Speaker 2: right because of these like progressive new standards, especially on

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Speaker 2: college campuses, with like this hardcore identity politics banging where

526
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Speaker 2: like that's more important than class, like those issues, like

527
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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what your idea is if as long

528
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Speaker 2: as you are like a certain position on the privilege hierarchy,

529
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Speaker 2: you shouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: Able to say anything. And I get the point.

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Speaker 2: What they're trying to do is like give people who

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Speaker 2: are marginalized like a chance to speak. But what that

533
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Speaker 2: does to somebody who might feel like a young white

534
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Speaker 2: dude with a good idea is he's like, you know what,

535
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Speaker 2: I'm well intentioned, and I'm being basically exiled for speaking

536
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Speaker 2: my mind because of how I look. I'm going to

537
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Speaker 2: go to Turning Point, USA, where they're gonna give me

538
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Speaker 2: exactly exactly what I want, you know. And so unfortunately

539
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Speaker 2: a lot of the progressive new standards have alienated a

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Speaker 2: ton of young people, especially dudes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've noticed that. It's like a lot of like

542
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Speaker 3: young dudes, man are just like, you know, they they

543
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Speaker 3: fucking they and Trump went to all their platforms.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, you know.

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Speaker 3: And like to me, like if Kamala would have just

546
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Speaker 3: like that. The one thing about Kamala that I just

547
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Speaker 3: could not I just could not wrap my head around

548
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Speaker 3: is whoever was running her campaign they just refused to

549
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Speaker 3: put her in uncomfortable situations where she had to talk

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Speaker 3: off the script. Yeah, and it would be like, man,

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Speaker 3: if I could have just seen like this was a

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Speaker 3: human being for like an hour, like a human. Hey.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that she did that did have some

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Speaker 1: good impact is you know the front Horachi's and Phoenix. Yeah,

555
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Speaker 1: so Mahomie Renee is the chef there. She went three

556
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Speaker 1: days before election day to Phoenix and had like a

557
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Speaker 1: Sonora and Sarne. I remember some type of food like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just I just like I was just waiting

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Speaker 3: for her to, like, you know, when she did like

560
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Speaker 3: club Shaysha, I was like, oh, like even if she

561
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Speaker 3: would have did like you know, even the breakfast club thing,

562
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Speaker 3: like I wish you would did it a one on

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Speaker 3: one with Charlemagne and not like a you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why they didn't do that. They're

565
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Speaker 1: just so tapped out.

566
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Speaker 2: But I'm like, I'm saying it's karmaic retribution for them,

567
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Speaker 2: kind of like kicking Bernie Sanders out the picture, because

568
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Speaker 2: Bernie would have talked to the youth. Bernie would have

569
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Speaker 2: gone on every he actually did. He went on Theovon,

570
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Speaker 2: he went on like Joe Rogan back in the day,

571
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Speaker 2: all these platforms where Trump was able to speak directly

572
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Speaker 2: to the youth and stuff, or not even just the youth,

573
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Speaker 2: but just like ages, you know, eighteen to forty.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing too, is like I think if

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Speaker 3: you're a Democrat and you're watching the last week of

576
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Speaker 3: Trump in office, however you feel about whatever he's doing,

577
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: it like shows you how ineffective our politicians are so bad, dude, Like, yo,

578
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Speaker 3: if this guy can come in and make a fucking

579
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Speaker 3: spectacle out of signing these executive orders, whether or not

580
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Speaker 3: they stick or not, like you know, the birthright ship,

581
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 3: like that's a Supreme Court issue. Yeah, but it's like

582
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: performative for his base. Yeah. Like, dude, if you're fucking

583
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Speaker 3: Joe Biden, on day one, you signed the executive order

584
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Speaker 3: for for you know, the George Foyd Police Act. You

585
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Speaker 3: sign an executive order to try to like you just

586
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: you just do some shit to make us feel a

587
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Speaker 3: little better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

589
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Speaker 3: It's like it's like everything is so hard with a Democrat.

590
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 3: But it's like this motherfucker's up here turning ship up

591
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Speaker 3: and bro.

592
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Speaker 2: Honestly, like, if you think about it, I see why

593
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: people view Trump as like an underdog counterculture icon. For sure,

594
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: deployed every single thing they could in the media to

595
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Speaker 2: take him down for years, and the law and the

596
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Speaker 2: and the law system, dude, the law system. Every late

597
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: night TV show became like a Trump mockery platform. Jimmy Cammel,

598
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert, they literally threw their entire integrity out the

599
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Speaker 2: window and became DNC mouthpieces.

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Speaker 3: I can't even for fucking years, I can't even watch it, dude.

601
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Speaker 3: I I fully because I grew up a Democrat. My

602
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: parents are Democrat, my grandma's Democrat, and fucking I am

603
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Speaker 3: a fucking When I registered in California because I moved

604
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: from Azy to Cali, Yeah, registered as an independent. I

605
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: don't want no side by both sides.

606
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Speaker 2: Bro, Like the crazy gas lighting is like if you

607
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: don't vote for Kammell or you're voting for Trump, It's like,

608
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Speaker 2: oh whatever, Bro.

609
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Speaker 3: This is what I told everybody because I was an

610
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Speaker 3: RFK guy during because I liked a lot of his

611
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: ideas about UH food and censorship, and you know, I

612
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: hated his stance with the Israel stance, but I was like, yo,

613
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Speaker 3: when I'm talking, while I was talking to my friends,

614
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, they're like no, but it's a

615
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: it's a wasted vote, And I'm like, dude, this is

616
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Speaker 3: the brainwashing over hundreds of years that has been programmed

617
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Speaker 3: into us that will never allow us to have another alternative. Yeah,

618
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 3: because you know that there's a third party candidate that

619
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: is much better than either being offered. But because you're

620
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Speaker 3: you think you're throwing it's your vote.

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Speaker 1: You owe your vote definitely, Like vote with your conscious.

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Speaker 3: That's like to me, like I knew, Like like I'm like, yo,

623
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Speaker 3: like if you feel any type of way about Palestine,

624
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 3: like vote for Jill Stein and know you voted with

625
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: your heart and your conscious and neither side deserved your vote.

626
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Speaker 1: Dude.

627
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Speaker 2: Honestly, if Kamala Harris would have said, like I'm pro

628
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Speaker 2: Palestine or at least I supported two state solutions, she

629
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Speaker 2: would have won the election.

630
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Speaker 3: Fucking rolled Bill Clinton out in Michigan to chastise fucking

631
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Speaker 3: Muslim Americans to their fucking face. Yeah, it was the.

632
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Speaker 2: Craziest shit, and a campaigned with Liz Cheney I'm like,

633
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Speaker 2: it's exactly.

634
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine being on the.

635
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: Fence and being like, oh shit, well Dick Cheney's wife

636
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: fucks with Kamala Harris.

637
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Speaker 3: And to me, that's where they just lost me due

638
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. And I'm just like, so

639
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: we're like, legit the War Party now. Yeah.

640
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: But honestly, dude, if you think about it, this in

641
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: the long run, twenty twenty eight is going to be

642
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 2: a great year because we're gonna have fresh primaries on

643
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Speaker 2: both sides. The Democratic Party is totally done.

644
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Speaker 1: They're never going to rematerialize.

645
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: You're gonna have new progression maybe new Conservative candidate, right, oh,

646
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: they're done.

647
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't. I think that they're so

648
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 3: ignorant on the left. I mean, I don't know.

649
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: At least we're going to get new people.

650
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 3: I hope.

651
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: So we are gonna get new people.

652
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 3: I hope that they find whoever that is.

653
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Speaker 2: We're gonna get new Conservatives and new progressives, Like twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty eight is going to be that year.

655
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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna up being Jade Vance and Vivic.

656
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: I think that'll be the Yeah, we need new dynasties

657
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: like Bro Biden was Obama's vice president. Does nobody think

658
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 2: that's fucking weird? That's insane? Hillary Clinton is Bill Clinton's wife.

659
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 3: It's just Donald Trump.

660
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: It was on the Apprentice, like all these fools are

661
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: already entrench, Like when can we get a Bernie Sanders

662
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: Vermont will rise again?

663
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, Yeah, no, I don't even know who the

664
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 3: new Bernie is. Honestly, that has like actual power, you know,

665
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I guess AOC, but she kind of

666
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: sold out a lot of her you know, a lot

667
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: of her free will. For I would say AOC was

668
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 3: the most disappointing the last couple of years because she

669
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: kind of like chowse up with a couple of times

670
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: and I was like, who, anyway, you have done so

671
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: many crazy like you've literally been in the shits whatever.

672
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: Uh you know issue that's arisen in pop culture, in

673
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: the news, your front lines on is there a situation

674
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: in which you were the most scared for your safety?

675
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: That's the thing, bro, I don't think so it's weird,

676
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: Like I get scared when I watched the footage after

677
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 2: Like when I was at the stash house in Philadelphia

678
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: with the dudes who are manufacturing fucking insane.

679
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: That was also when I insane.

680
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: In the moment. I'm not scared because I'm so like

681
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: focused on getting the video.

682
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: And like those guys were manufacturing trank.

683
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: Trank which is a combination of xylazine which is horse tranquilizer,

684
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: and fentanyl. So basically it makes it so like trank

685
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: is really cheap and also makes a it's a tranquilizer,

686
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: so you can have a bag of fentanyl that's like

687
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: one quarter fent one quarter three quarters trank, and it's

688
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: gonna hit basically the same, just have a little bit

689
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: more of like tranquilizing effect so that you can make

690
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: a bunch of money. And xylazine is maybe one hundred

691
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: times cheaper than fentanyl, and you can buy it legally

692
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: from Chinese manufacturers, like in powder form on WhatsApp. Anyway,

693
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to give too much game. Don't manufacture

694
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: a trank if you're watching this. But anyways, I watched

695
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: the footage back and I was like, bro, what the

696
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: fuck was I doing? You're hopping the border. I'm not

697
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: scared in the moment, but then I'm looking back at

698
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: the footage and I think, damn, like I should have

699
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: been scared, you know. But it's moments like that where

700
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: I need to realize that I am relatively fearless. But

701
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that I shouldn't do dumb shit, right.

702
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: Ye know, that was a wild episode. It's funny because actually,

703
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: you know that hit close to home recently, my son's

704
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: mom passed away in Philadelphia from an overdose.

705
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Speaker 1: Damn rest in peace man.

706
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but I mean it was fentanyl for sure.

707
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: But that trank shit, it hasn't hit LA yet.

708
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: No, No, it's pretty crazy that it hasn't because it's

709
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: hit Baltimore, has a HITD Atlanta, it's Baltimore, DC.

710
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: In Boston.

711
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a people's like limbs get swollen up

712
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: and yeah, so if you miss a van with the

713
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: trank like this condition can happen called necrotizing fasciitis, which

714
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: is a flesh eating bacterial disease or something like that.

715
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: So it literally consumes your limbs and if you don't

716
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: treat it within the first four to five days, amputation

717
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: is the only option, or it can spread to your

718
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: heart and you get sepsis and you really can't survive that.

719
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: So there's this this this problem that many groups in

720
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: Philadelphia have the harm reduction communities where they're like, yo,

721
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: how do we get these people off the streets into

722
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: the hospital immediately?

723
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: And they're withdrawing from dope.

724
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: So like it's just really difficult because you don't have

725
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: to you can't kidnap people. You have to ask them

726
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: to go to treatment.

727
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that Kensington area is so.

728
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Speaker 2: But it's tough because if you go to somebody whose

729
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: arm is falling off and you say, like, bro, you

730
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: have to go to the hospital, and they say no,

731
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: they're they're adult.

732
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Speaker 1: Free human beings. Can't make somebody do something, right, Yeah.

733
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Speaker 3: It's crazy you h You went into the Chaz area too, right, Yeah,

734
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: so I'm from Capitol Hill, Seattle. I would say that

735
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Speaker 3: that's where you're from.

736
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I grew up in Philly in Fair Mountain,

737
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Speaker 1: North Philly. So I was ten.

738
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Speaker 2: My dad was a big grunge fan and he worked

739
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: in the tech end streets. So we moved out to Yeah,

740
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: we moved to Capitol Hill and that's like where Chaz was.

741
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: So that that like that corner Tenth and Pike call

742
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: Anderson Park.

743
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: I grew up like in that neighborhood.

744
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: That's your area.

745
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: So I'm in I'm in Minneapolis right where the actual

746
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: riots popped off, like by Lake Street on the south side.

747
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: And I get a call and someone says, Yo, the

748
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: cops just ran out of the precinct. They abandoned the

749
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: precinct in Capitol Hill. You know, the cops just gave

750
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: it to the protesters.

751
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: I was like what. And so there was a four block.

752
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: Radius initially called the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone and then

753
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: became Capitol Hill Organized Protest. And I was actually there

754
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: basically the entire time, living in a tent. However, the

755
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: footage was never released. M why not, because bro, he's

756
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: embarrassing on some home, on some hometown ship.

757
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: It was.

758
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 1: It was bad, okay. So there was three phases. Phase

759
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: one was like spirit of the Revolution, like Fidel Castro,

760
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: like the people will rise up. Phase two was like

761
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: burning man.

762
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: You have fools coming in on Greyhound buses from northern California,

763
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: Eugene I called the Republic of Islam. That's southern Oregon,

764
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: northern California. Are still slapping Max Dre like they just

765
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: found out about it. And so people are pulling up

766
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: like ooh, so folds are pulling up like you have

767
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: drum circles. People are setting up stages, they're doing dubstep sets,

768
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

769
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: And then the initials Viva a Revolution. Young crowd is like,

770
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: what the fuck fuck these books.

771
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: They start beefing it, and then so they start kind

772
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: of canceling each other for different shit.

773
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, people are living there like they have their apartment

774
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: right there.

775
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: And then week three, the you know, the trappers, the

776
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: hoods in Seattle, like in the South End and Tacoma,

777
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: start figuring out that the cops aren't coming there, so

778
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: they have all their their their fiends go from downtown

779
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: in different areas to Capitol Hill. And then different gangs

780
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: start taking control of different parts of the park.

781
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: So it was Revolution week, what week? And then Gang week.

782
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: I'm there the whole time, my tank keeps getting stolen,

783
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 2: and then so that so literally you had, bro, I've

784
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: never seen something like this in Seattle by the basketball courts.

785
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: Kids fifteen year old kids with shisties and guns fucking

786
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: bigger than their entire bodies. And this is a safe

787
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: urban park in a gateighborhood. So I'm like, bro, this

788
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: is insane, and so what happened?

789
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: I really.

790
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: Remember there was a fatal shooting on the fourth of July.

791
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: I was like, right next to it. I thought it

792
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: was fireworks because it was fourth July. Someone got killed

793
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: right there. And this antiphametic chic, you know, like in

794
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: full costume, comes running up and she goes, there's a

795
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: gang war happening at the park and I'm like, I

796
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: literally look at I go, what gangs are fighting?

797
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: Just say the name of one of the gangs. Since

798
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: you're from Seattle, what are the gangs called?

799
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 3: And she's like, I don't know.

800
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: And so the moment after the fatal shooting happened. The

801
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: next morning, all of the medics and all of the

802
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: organizers and all the wooks and all the revolutionaries they

803
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: leave and the park just becomes like Hamsterdam and the

804
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: wire and then the cops at that point come in

805
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: and shut it down.

806
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: Wow.

807
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: So I filmed the whole thing. I still have the footage.

808
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about putting it out.

809
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: Dude. Honestly, that's that's pretty sick.

810
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy, but I was like, you know,

811
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: it was just real, Like God, Seattle took the l

812
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: on that one.

813
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: You know.

814
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Speaker 3: What's so crazy is I feel like on like like

815
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: when we think about like I think people who are

816
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 3: extreme left and Antifa and and all these people and

817
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: on the other side, the QA non folks. I feel

818
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: like everyone has pretty they feel like they're doing the

819
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: right thing, like they have everybody there, they have like

820
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 3: good intention in their heart right, and I feel like

821
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: there just has to be like, you know, I don't

822
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: know what it is. I think, you know, there just

823
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 3: has to be like there's if everyone feels like they're

824
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: doing the right thing right, Like you know, the the

825
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: White Lives Matter rally that opens up your film. It

826
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: didn't feel like much of a rally, but you know,

827
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: your boy was out there with his flags and then

828
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: they're not playing. They ended up fucking them up. Yeah,

829
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 3: he ends up getting the rest. Do you feel like

830
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: there's like just the option for like uh, I guess

831
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: like positive discourse where people can just agree to disagree.

832
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: Do you just think that shit's out the window? Man?

833
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: You know.

834
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: The thing is though, is like these groups, these vocal minorities,

835
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: get a lot of his ability because they make noise.

836
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: But I think that a good like seventy percent of

837
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: the country is on the same page as you and I.

838
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: You know, they see the shit from Afar. They might

839
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 2: react to a certain thing a certain way or slant,

840
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: but most people are not Antifa or QAnon. The difference is,

841
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 2: I feel like QAnon ideology has bled its way into

842
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: the mainstream conservative right, whereas Antifa and these groups are

843
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: still like a very marginalized left, and liberals reject their.

844
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: Ideas for sure. So I just think that like the

845
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: actual left.

846
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: That Trump always talks about has no actual power over

847
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: the liberals.

848
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: Liberals don't give a fuck about unions, you.

849
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: Know, They're more concerned with like calling Trump supporters Nazis

850
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: and white supremacists and throwing labels on people. So there

851
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: is going to be a point where we can have discourse.

852
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: But like I said, twenty twenty eight's that year.

853
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: You know, there's just this, Like you said, it's on

854
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: the left, dude, Because on the I feel like I

855
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: have conversations with like my cousin, like this is another

856
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 3: thing I stopped talking about. I was a part of this,

857
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 3: like the left that stopped talking to people over Trump

858
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen.

859
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: That was a real thing.

860
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 3: My cousin James, who's like my closest cousin in my life,

861
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: voted for Trump was vocal about it on Facebook, and

862
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: I just stopped talking to him for like two years.

863
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: You guys are good now, yeah, see America is healing.

864
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 3: No. But I felt terrible about it, and I realized, like, dude,

865
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 3: I was fucking tripping, bro. Yeah yeah, bro like I

866
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: was bro. I was one of the guys shaming people

867
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 3: for not getting I shamed this motherfucker for not getting vaccinated.

868
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: Every fucking time we'd go, I'd be like, you're a

869
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: fucking b That was me. And I just realized, like dog, like,

870
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a part of the side that's the most judgmental, Yeah,

871
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: which is crazy because the other side's supposed to be Nazis.

872
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

873
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: I remember back in the day when COVID first popped

874
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: off in Seattle. You could be getting a you could

875
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: be having a picnic in a park.

876
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: Just you and two people.

877
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: If you spread a blanket out and somebody took their

878
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: mask off for a second, you'd have somebody in the

879
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: cut with an N ninety five on like this. They'd

880
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,479
Speaker 2: take a picture of you, They'll put it online. Find

881
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: you're at that, Like, what's this person's at? Super spreader,

882
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 2: super spreader, complicit in the genocide of those who were

883
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 2: disabled and complicit in the genocide of the immune compromise,

884
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: and they would they would lose their job, they would

885
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: lose everything.

886
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: I saw this shit happening in real time. Uh so sad, dude,

887
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: bro I was. I remember when COVID popped off.

888
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: So I was in Seattle and I was like, I

889
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 2: gotta go somewhere more, you know, more hippied out because

890
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, I gotta see somebody. So I went down

891
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: to Eureka, California, and I stayed with my homegirl and

892
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: she told me, she was like, listen, I don't care

893
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: about this COVID shit, or I do care about if

894
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: if if I see you in public with somebody and

895
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: they take a picture of you or they see you

896
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: with somebody else, I'm gonna get in trouble.

897
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you mean trouble? She was like, I

898
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: could lose my job.

899
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: It was the same thing that was I mean in Australia,

900
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 3: it was crazy. Yeah, like people were like going to jail.

901
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: And that's my thing is like, you know, uh, I

902
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: just feel like we get so I just feel like

903
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: we stopped questioning shit for a while there where it

904
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 3: was like, hey, like, isn't a little weird that there's

905
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 3: a ticker on the screen on CNN with the death

906
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: total going up like it's a fucking basketball game.

907
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what is like?

908
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 3: And everybody like the fuck? And I'm over here buying

909
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 3: gloves and shit and fucking I got so much sanitizer

910
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: left over from COVID.

911
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: It's crazy abouteah garage. Yeah, I was. I mean I

912
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: I was sort of tweaked out too.

913
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 3: You know.

914
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: It was just a crazy time and I feel like

915
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: we're still kind of living in the shadow of twenty twenty.

916
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: For sure, And then now you look back and you're like, Okay, well,

917
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: you know, I know I dealt with this because I

918
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 3: had two sons, who you know, my kid was fourteen

919
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: and was like dealing with depression because he was just

920
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: stuck at home. And the people who lost their businesses,

921
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: especially here in California. You know, there's like restaurants that

922
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: were losing their businesses while there was like catering on

923
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: movie sets. Yeah shit, And it was like like make

924
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: it make sense, you know, like.

925
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Walmart was open though you know what I

926
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: mean exactly, dispensaries were open.

927
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know that.

928
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, no dispensaries were open. They never closed down dispensaries here,

929
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: which was interesting. But yeah, I don't know, man, I

930
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: just feel like, you know, like you said, man, like

931
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: this is what we get. We get Trump again. Yeah, definitely,

932
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: like all that crazy shit, this is this.

933
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: Is what you get. We earned this shit, We earned it.

934
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: We fucking earned it. Man. Do you feel like there

935
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 3: was a point in time for you where you know,

936
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: you as a as a young journalist, like, was it

937
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 3: always kind of the idea to kind of tell both

938
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: sides because obviously, like you said, you're more of a

939
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: burnie guy, so you yeah, but you know you have

940
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 3: like your your set of values. But to be able

941
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: to kind of cover like people who you harshly disagree with, yeah,

942
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: and show them give them like a fair shake. Was

943
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: that difficult for you?

944
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: No, I've always been like that because you know, I

945
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: grew up, like I said, in the city, always run

946
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: different kinds of people, exposed to different personalities. I also

947
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: went to school in the Deep South in New Orleans,

948
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: so it was like I got I got.

949
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: Exposed to a ton of Southern stuff.

950
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: So by the time I started my career, I was like,

951
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: I want to show people on the West Coast what

952
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: it's like in the South. I want to show people

953
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: in the South what it's like where I'm from in Seattle.

954
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: So I already felt like I had two different upbringings,

955
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: but as far as like the unbiased thing, like I'm

956
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: not unbiased.

957
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: No human being is unbiased.

958
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: No, for sure, but you, I feel like you do

959
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 3: a really good job of of trying to like tell

960
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: both I tell tell the story as much down the

961
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: middle as you can, And definitely, I just feel like

962
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: that's something that that is very like, Yeah.

963
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: I definitely appreciate it.

964
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: I just wanted to make that point because there's so

965
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 2: many journalists claiming to be unbiased, but I'm like everybody

966
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: has biases based upon how they.

967
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: Grew on the planet, has a personal bias exactly.

968
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: Like shit, I use the example the other day, like

969
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 2: whenever the George Floyd thing happened, like I had lost

970
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: a couple friends growing up to police brutality, So as

971
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: soon as that happened, I was sort of on board

972
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: with like whatever had whatever had to happen. I saw

973
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: buildings going up in flames, and I was like, hell, yeah,

974
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: me too. But if I grew up in you know, Iowa,

975
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: and my dad was the police chief and a town

976
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: of five hundred people, and he was rescuing cats from

977
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: trees and helping people. You know, I might be like,

978
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: come on, man, that's just one bad egg, but I

979
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: didn't see it that way because of how I grew up.

980
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: You know, how are you? How's your what is your

981
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: perspective on those protesting riots? You know, what would it

982
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: be five years later? Now, like almost five years four

983
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: and a half years later. I feel like, you know,

984
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 3: black Lives Matter as a statement is obviously a factual statement.

985
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 3: I feel like that the and the intent of that

986
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: movement was was pure and had great intentions, but somehow

987
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 3: it got twisted and used against well.

988
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at every social movement that

989
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: begins organically, there is people out there, grifters and profiteers

990
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: who will figure out a way to make an industry

991
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: out of it. And the same thing happens with every

992
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: social movement in America. It takes about two years, maybe

993
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: three years, for you know, Black Lives Matter LLC to

994
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: become a donation farm to where people were just like

995
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 2: embezzling in mansions.

996
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: That's what happens yeah, you know what I mean.

997
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: And so it's more like I feel like shame on

998
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: somebody for not realizing that, like why are you giving

999
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: money to the Black Lives Matter? Two and a half

1000
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: years later, I thought the protests were great. I think

1001
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: that they began very straightforward and organic, like this is

1002
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: about police brutalizing black people in the streets, period, and

1003
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: then it took only about a month later it kind

1004
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: of became about everybody.

1005
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: You know, they added the black stripe to the Pride

1006
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: flag and you're seeing people out there and I'm like,

1007
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: wait a second, you know, shout out to all the

1008
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: LGBT people out there. But I thought this was about

1009
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: police brutality against Black Americans, and so you just sort

1010
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: of see this forced intersectionality obscure the message, and before

1011
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: you know it, it's not what it was supposed to be.

1012
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: It's not.

1013
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: And that's just what happens because white guilt is so

1014
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 2: powerful that you have white people who have any type

1015
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: of disadvantage, whether it be gender, income level, but mostly

1016
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: it's gender and orientation, and they say, you know what,

1017
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 2: I don't want to be the scarecrow that people were

1018
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: throwing eggs at right now.

1019
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the.

1020
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: Bad part of the bad white out group during this

1021
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: protest movement. Let me figure out how it can join

1022
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: the side of the oppressor by giving myself something to

1023
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: stand on. So they're almost chasing down oppression to almost

1024
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: put on their back, as opposed to the actual purpose

1025
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: of liberation, which is to get away from it. So

1026
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: it's very sad you saw that, especially in Portland, where

1027
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, you had groups actually obviously taking advantage.

1028
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: Of the neighborhood. They ruined Portland downtown.

1029
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: For Yeah, okay, that's one argument, But then if you

1030
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: look at why did downtown Portland, Downtown SF, and downtown

1031
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: Seattle grow the way they did before COVID, it's because

1032
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: all these tech companies were getting taxed, so they moved

1033
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: their offices there.

1034
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: And then they left it. They they once COVID happened,

1035
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: everyone left and they figured out they start out resources out,

1036
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: They figured out.

1037
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: They can make more money having people work on Zoom

1038
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: from home, and they didn't have to pay HR, they

1039
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: didn't have to maintain these office buildings. So you have

1040
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: office buildings like in San Francisco there are thirty six

1041
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: stories where only two of the floors are being used,

1042
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: the rest are vacant, and landlords don't want to go

1043
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: down on price for these tech apartments they built for

1044
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: the workers that are now living in Idaho or wherever

1045
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: they came where they came. So now you got homeless people,

1046
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 2: homeless people on the streets everywhere in Portland and everywhere else.

1047
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: And then you have these fucking assholes coming out and

1048
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: being like, wow, look at the Democrat policy and it's like.

1049
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: This is corporate elite fucking bullshit.

1050
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's I think I think this. I

1051
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: think that's like a perfect example of both though it's

1052
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 3: like it's a it's two things can be true at

1053
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: the same time. It's like, yes, these tech cities where

1054
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: all of this massive income and all these people just

1055
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: decided to just be like deuces. Yeah, that's that's one thing.

1056
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: And then the other side, like in the Bay you know,

1057
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: it's like the Bay's crazy. I go to the Bay lot,

1058
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: you know, it's like, yeah, the basis great chances of

1059
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 3: you're getting bipped out there and or like just like

1060
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 3: you can't like I mean we were we started going

1061
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 3: a lot in like twenty twenty one. Yeah, because I

1062
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 3: was shooting a lot of content out there, and even

1063
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: like all the way up until maybe like late last year,

1064
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 3: it's like damn, like the Walgreens are gone.

1065
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the bipping is out of control. Bro.

1066
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: I was by Lake Merritt in the RV like a

1067
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: year and a half ago. I'm chilling by Lake Marriott.

1068
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: Bro.

1069
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful day, probably two pm, you know, Lake

1070
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: Marrion downtown Oaklyan. So I'm chilling right there in the

1071
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: RV and this valet guy comes up to me and

1072
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: he goes, don't don't park your car here.

1073
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: I go. Why.

1074
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: He goes, it's gonna get bipped. I go no, Like,

1075
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay in the car. It's gonna be fine.

1076
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: He's like, nah, don't even stay in the car. So

1077
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: I'm chilling in the car. I swear to God, I

1078
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: opened the door to like, you know, just get some air.

1079
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: Walk out for a second. A mini van pulls up

1080
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: like a soccer mom van. Three kids in full shisties

1081
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: jump out of the car with bip tools and hands

1082
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: like it like a ninja army and start throwing like

1083
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: bit like spark plugs on fucking wire and ring into

1084
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: the car like it was seriously like a like a.

1085
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: Ninja wild Like my boy Samson, he was pumping gas

1086
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 3: about to return his rental outside of the Oakland Airport.

1087
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: So he's at the car, he's on the phone, pumping gas,

1088
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: and before he knows it, his backpack in his back

1089
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 3: seat is gone. Yeah, and he's running after a car

1090
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: that within seconds they got him. Like the bay is

1091
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: fucking crazy.

1092
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so there's certain shit like that where you

1093
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: that's not just income inequality.

1094
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: That is the cops and well that's not doing their

1095
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: job right.

1096
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 3: And that's just like at the end of the day,

1097
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 3: if there are loopholes that allow you to hit licks, yeah,

1098
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 3: you're gonna take advantage of those loopholes. Yeah, Like it

1099
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 3: is what it is.

1100
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: And one thing that liberals don't understand is this, some

1101
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: fools just like hitting licks.

1102
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like, no matter what happens.

1103
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: It's not like everyone hitting a lick is like I

1104
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: can't afford food.

1105
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: Some fools love hitting licks. I grew up with people

1106
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: who are rich, middle class, impoor. They listen to Chief

1107
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: Keep all day they're trying to hit a lick. It's

1108
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: not like they woke up with not being able to

1109
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,479
Speaker 2: put cornflakes in the bowl.

1110
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: Facts.

1111
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: And I'm just saying that's something that you can't explain

1112
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: to people because you're like, what do you mean they

1113
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: like it? You think there's something about them genetically that

1114
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: made them Like, No, I didn't fucking say that. I

1115
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: just said fools be hitting licks, yes and I and

1116
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: they don't get it, you know what I mean.

1117
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: But we're not going to explain it to them. But

1118
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: if they live in this city for long enough and

1119
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: somebody hits it, hits a lick on your ship, You're

1120
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: not gonna be like, wow, you know what, even though

1121
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: they stole my car, I hope they can feed their family. Like,

1122
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: where do you think we're in? Fucking Darfur? The this

1123
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: is you know.

1124
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, would you would you say based on

1125
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 4: your your you know, obviously your experience being up up

1126
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 4: in the northwest and covering Portland and covering the Bay

1127
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 4: and I go back to your reference of Hamsterdam from

1128
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 4: the wire, based on like just your experience and your perspective,

1129
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 4: because perspective matters.

1130
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: Uh, would you say the Hamsterdam model is one that

1131
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: is sustainable? No?

1132
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: And here's why specifically it might be sustainable if it

1133
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: was like a nationwide policy. But you got to think

1134
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: in all the ordering states to Washington and Oregon, Idaho, Montana,

1135
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: even Utah and states like that.

1136
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I lived in Boise.

1137
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: It's illegal to be homeless in a lot of these states.

1138
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: They will put you in jail for your third vagrancy

1139
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: ticket for ninety days. They'll prosecute, they'll they'll burn your shit.

1140
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1141
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: A lot of people get harassed and they get and

1142
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 2: not only that, but I was in Austin, Texas one time,

1143
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: one time, and I watched the city book two hundred

1144
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: and fifty greyhound bus tickets and sending homeless people from

1145
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 2: Seventh Street in downtown to Portland.

1146
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 3: So what year was that?

1147
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: That was before all this chaos? Twenty fourteen?

1148
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 3: Oh, you know what I mean.

1149
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: So this has been happening.

1150
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: So what happens is if Seattle says, you know what,

1151
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna enact harm reduction policies and open up a

1152
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: needle exchange or something like that for people to not

1153
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: get HIV and have se right here, all of a sudden,

1154
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: these other counties, not even just different states, are like, okay, perfect,

1155
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: Now I know where to send one hundred thousand drug addicts,

1156
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: and so it's impossible to maintain the Hamsterdam model when

1157
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: these different states have such different policies.

1158
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 3: I wonder what is your perspective on and you know,

1159
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: because I think what happened in the last twelve months

1160
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: or so was you noticed a lot of minority communities

1161
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 3: feeling a certain way about like the same places like Chicago,

1162
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: New York City, Like immigration hitting I mean obviously Governor

1163
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: Abbott putting people on buses setting it into New York City,

1164
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: send it into Chicago. But then kind of seeing like

1165
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: the preferential treatment that someone who came in here illegally

1166
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 3: might get, whether it's a visa card loaded with fourteen

1167
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: hundred dollars at an hotel room and all this stuff, did

1168
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 3: you kind of like there's it felt like there was

1169
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: like kind of a divide. Well, it's between two communities

1170
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: that usually would be I guess aligned, if that would

1171
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 3: make sense for me.

1172
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: It's hard to see what's real and true about that,

1173
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: because that particular narrative is perfect for the conservative established right,

1174
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: like Wese see these poor people, working class people don't

1175
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: like migrantcsy either. I don't know how real that actually is,

1176
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: Like if you look at New York City right most

1177
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: of the migrants are being held in shelters in Long

1178
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: Island or by the Roosevelt Hotel in Midtown. It's not

1179
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: like they are going to, you know, minority communities in

1180
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: the Bronx and in Queens or in the Lower East

1181
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: Side and just opening up these gorgeous migrant skyscrapers where

1182
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: they're giving people for dope ass phones.

1183
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: They're like, yo, you got you gotta fucking you gotta

1184
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 3: fucking loft in New York.

1185
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: So I feel like a lot of a lot of

1186
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: it is like Jesse Waters going to the hood in

1187
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: the Bronx and being like, I don't know if you saw,

1188
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: young man, but they just got a free phone down there.

1189
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: And then I was as like, what the fuck a

1190
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 3: fuck that? I don't know if if it's actually accurate.

1191
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: It is Also it's possible for poor and working class

1192
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: people to also be syopped by hypnototic media. Hypnotic media,

1193
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, without.

1194
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: Knowing, because they're if you're poor and you see somebody

1195
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 2: getting free shit, that's how they turn the white working

1196
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: class against the black communities. In the eighties, during a

1197
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: primitive extre so it's it's a little mini version of that.

1198
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: If you go to a poor, poor person anywhere and

1199
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: you show them a video of someone getting free shit,

1200
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 2: they are probably gonna be BacT.

1201
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 3: There and then you're able to take that footage put

1202
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: it on TikTok and then it spreads like a while.

1203
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: It's like showing a rich person a video of somebody

1204
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: breaking into a mansion.

1205
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to the thing I just saw recently

1206
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: that was going viral on TikTok was like this like

1207
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 3: idea that like you could get a reward for turning in,

1208
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: and I think they came out and said it's not real.

1209
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: But it was like, like you mentioned the word sip.

1210
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: It felt like it was like this fake thing that

1211
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 3: got thrown out there. And then you would see like

1212
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 3: these tiktoks like like like there was when I saw

1213
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 3: this black girl being like the thousand dollars a person,

1214
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: they're seven who live next door to me, Like that's

1215
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 3: my address type shit, and it's like it's like the again,

1216
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: it's like at the end of the day, man, It's

1217
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 3: like I think with the immigration issue, it's there's a

1218
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 3: lot of things that can be true at the same

1219
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: time yeah, I think, like obviously, man, like there was

1220
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: a lot of people coming over. I was area which

1221
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: was like not sustainable, you know, it's not sustainable for

1222
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: anybody to take.

1223
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: Any and most importantly it's not good for them. Like

1224
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: I have a friend from Senegal or a friend now,

1225
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 2: and I met him at the border. He had just hopped, right,

1226
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: So he gets he goes to border in Arizona.

1227
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: Too, in Arizona right by Lukeville crossing Gringo Pass. Yeah,

1228
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: so he's telling.

1229
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 3: A Rockey point. I go by there.

1230
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm talking to him, and he's excited. He's like,

1231
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get to America and work, you know.

1232
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: Abbot bustes him to New York and he just got

1233
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: his asylum appointment date and it's for twenty twenty nine,

1234
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: so he can't get and he.

1235
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: Can't get his work papers, and he can't get anything.

1236
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: He can't even receive a green card. He can't even

1237
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: be heard by a judge.

1238
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: Because now you're just in limbo for on limbo for

1239
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: years for him, and the shelter says, we can't have

1240
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: space for you. We have more migrants coming in. So

1241
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: he's living on the streets right now trying to see

1242
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: who will hire him for under the table work and

1243
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: paying him in cash. He's getting paid four bucks an

1244
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 2: hour because you got you know, deli owners and shit

1245
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 2: trying to save money asking him to mop the floor.

1246
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: That's not a life he wanted in the US either.

1247
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 3: And how man and that times, however many hundred thousand

1248
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: is happening.

1249
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, there should be there should be a clear path

1250
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: to citizenship, which makes his whole situation avoidable for sure.

1251
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: And then and then that's the thing is like, if

1252
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: there is like an I think that it just kind

1253
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 3: of all got mixed up to where it's like, okay, well,

1254
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: if it's a free for all at the border, then

1255
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 3: whatever bullshit systems in place for people, Like you said,

1256
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: the asylum system, I know, the asylum courts is a

1257
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 3: fucking jokey. It's just not sustainable, dude. Yeah.

1258
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: Also, asylum policies were a conservative thing. I think the

1259
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 2: first asylum policy was during Reagan. It was called wet foot, dryfoot,

1260
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: and that was to inspire Cubans to flee the island

1261
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: during communism. And they said, if you can get in

1262
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: a boat to Miami, the moment you touch sand or soil.

1263
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: You're an American citizen. So it was supposed to incentivize

1264
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: people to defect from communist regimes or enemies of the US.

1265
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: So Venezuela, that's exactly who we want. Because that's good

1266
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: for Trump.

1267
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: They're leaving communism, they're coming here for a better capitalist life.

1268
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: I think that's good for old school Republicans exactly. I

1269
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: feel like the new shit is different.

1270
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: And people are exploiting the asylum system. Wherever you stand

1271
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: left to right, that system is being exploited. Being poor

1272
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 2: is not an asylum.

1273
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: Claim, so if you get here. When I was interviewing

1274
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: Mexicans at the border, these are poor people saying I'm

1275
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: being targeted by the cartel. They're gonna kill me. Every

1276
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: single one of them said that.

1277
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: I also heard like, if you are if you say

1278
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 3: you're lgbt Q, if you're coming from like an area

1279
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 3: that frowns upon it, they grant you asylum too.

1280
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure I mean that.

1281
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 3: Homy and TJ was telling me that. He's like, yeah,

1282
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: he's like, if you just say you, if you just

1283
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: say you're gay at the border, like me, try it.

1284
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. No. He comes back and forth like

1285
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: he lives in TJ and works in the U.

1286
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: Tell him hop the border act as gay as possible,

1287
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: like yo.

1288
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: Come with a boyfriend. You know.

1289
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: No, by the way, speaking to the border, we were

1290
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 2: just to know Paso ware is a couple a couple

1291
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 2: of days ago, wild place wars is crazy.

1292
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: We're just there.

1293
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: And so you know that video of like Trump's first

1294
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: wave of deportations where you see like a bunch of

1295
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: young dudes walking across the border back in New Mexico.

1296
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 2: So speaking to sy Offs, those people had been held

1297
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: there for like three months and we're just being processed,

1298
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: and Trump said, don't process him, send him back right

1299
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: now so we can get the good optics.

1300
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Speaker 1: So they had a camera crew.

1301
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 2: Set up in Warez from Breitbart, from these conservative outlets,

1302
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: being like, the deportations are happening, but those people got apprehended,

1303
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: apprehended under Biden criminal right.

1304
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 3: It's just content manipulation, man, It's what it is. Everyone's

1305
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: fucking playing the TikTok game the fund It's that's fucking wild.

1306
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Jesus.

1307
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 3: You you you based on like your interactions with everybody

1308
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 3: who were coming over the border, because do you know

1309
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 3: there's this narrative that there's all there's this massive spike

1310
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 3: and single Chinese men coming over of military age and.

1311
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: You know, single Chinese men of military age. Imagine being

1312
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: described that way. No, exactly what I'm saying.

1313
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 3: And then you know, we're kind of like in this

1314
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 3: like cold war with China, and they're sending, they're sending,

1315
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 3: they're sending, uh, you know, all these cells.

1316
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: Over every Chinese person works for the Chinese.

1317
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 3: Government apparently, right right, yeah, exactly. There's no poor people

1318
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 3: in China exactly. Yeah, because for people who don't know

1319
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 3: the extreme poverty in Chinese. Yeah, yeah, but it was

1320
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 3: just funny. It's just funny because, like you said, like

1321
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 3: you could kind of like, you know, whatever, whatever side

1322
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 3: of the road you want to be on politically, like

1323
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 3: you can kind of find like an echo chamber within

1324
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: that one immigration issue to be like yeah, I mean,

1325
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 3: but at the same time, you know, it's obviously like

1326
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: there is an issue, you know, with with with that

1327
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 3: influx of people. Would you say there was like a

1328
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 3: concerted because the other thing is is people say by

1329
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 3: people I mean the right, yeah, that that the border

1330
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 3: was opened up on purpose to try to import more

1331
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 3: democratic votes. That's my favorite, which is fucking an insane Well,

1332
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: if that's.

1333
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: The case, it didn't work right. Also, dude, migrants can't vote.

1334
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: They're not citizens, right, They literally can't vote. They can't

1335
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 2: even But I don't even need to get into that.

1336
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 2: The point is the reason you see somebody single men

1337
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 2: at the border hopping the borders because their entire families

1338
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: are back home.

1339
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: So it's like they come and work and they send

1340
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: money back. I mean, this is a very normal thing.

1341
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: How would they take their family?

1342
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: Their family?

1343
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: You want your little kids and your wife to work,

1344
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: she has to take care of the kids.

1345
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want your fucking kids walking across the desert

1346
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: in Arizona in the summertime.

1347
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can die shot. That's a human borders giving

1348
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 1: water to those people.

1349
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's fucking crazy.

1350
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, bro, like, of course it's going to be

1351
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 2: single man, but like it's it's a it's been it's

1352
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 2: been strange.

1353
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, the border being wide open was a huge problem.

1354
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 3: What do you went to Colorado right during the yeah

1355
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 3: gang for trendy Aragua.

1356
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: Yes, td t d A just taken over the apartments,

1357
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: taxing everybody.

1358
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: I mean again, there was a crazy video that went

1359
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: viral now I know. It was like it was like

1360
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 3: red meat.

1361
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I have some really bad news. There's a

1362
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: gang at an apartment building in the hood, and one's like,

1363
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: what the fuck is happening?

1364
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: There's a gang in every apartment building.

1365
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 3: Right, so what did you say? Like going there? What

1366
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: did you did you? What did you?

1367
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the verdict on on Colorado. There was a

1368
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 2: gang in the apartment building period, which caused the landlord

1369
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: to be like, you know what, bro, there's a gang here.

1370
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: He was a slumlord name that from Florida.

1371
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 2: He owned like six different super badly maintained properties, right,

1372
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: so he was like, you.

1373
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: Know what, bro, there's gangs over running the ship.

1374
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: I don't even want to take care of it. I'm

1375
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: abandoning the property. So there was no more, no more

1376
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: landlord services happening, no more plumbing, no more electricity, just

1377
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 2: the services were being under maintained. He was getting sued

1378
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: by the city of Aurora, Colorado, so he hired a

1379
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 2: crisis PR firm called Red Bandon Communications to basically plant

1380
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 2: that story about the gang takeover, to be like, they

1381
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: beat me up and forced me out of the property.

1382
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: So two things were true. At one time. It was

1383
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: a gang of illegally of undocumented viagrants from Venezuela who

1384
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: were gang banging, and you had a shitty landlord. I

1385
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: don't understand how people can't see those two things seem

1386
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: to go hand in hand. I actually think.

1387
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: There's that That's almost always the case. Everywhere you see

1388
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: gangs in the projects, the property is poorly maintained. Have

1389
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: you ever seen a nice apartment building with a gang

1390
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: in it?

1391
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: It's possible.

1392
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 3: No, that's funny. Yeah, Like you said, two things can

1393
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 3: be true at the same time.

1394
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: And also gang see a shitty maintained spot and they're like,

1395
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:46,919
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go gang.

1396
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 3: Did you see the story that came out a couple

1397
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 3: of nights ago. They were like, Yo, in Colorado there

1398
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 3: was a Venezuelan gang house party and we rated it

1399
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 3: got forty gang members off. I'm like, first of all,

1400
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: shout out to those guys were being like brave enough

1401
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 3: to throw a house party. Yeah, in the same week

1402
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 3: Trump gets elected for sure, obviously not the smartest place.

1403
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1404
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: Also, dude, what about the one hundred thousand gang members

1405
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: here in Los Angeles?

1406
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 3: Right?

1407
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: What what are we talking about? Right, it's so crazy.

1408
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: But conservatives have never met a gang member, so they're like,

1409
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: oh my god, the gang members have arrived. It's like

1410
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: the gang members are here, started here, Yes, all the

1411
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: MS thirteens started in Koreatown.

1412
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 3: People don't realize that MS thirteen is a California gang

1413
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 3: that obviously exported Del Salvador.

1414
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and our prison system, Harvest is an incubator for

1415
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: the most powerful gangs in the world.

1416
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: So it's really crazy.

1417
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: When you get people being like, bro, the border's open

1418
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 2: and now people are gang bang. But if you show

1419
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: that clip on Fox News and you're in Little Rock, Arkansas,

1420
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: actually lit Rocks pretty good. Let me use a different example.

1421
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: If you're in Omaha, it's actually pretty good too.

1422
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 3: Okay.

1423
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 2: If you're in Boise, Idaho and the rural outskirts and

1424
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: you see a video of the border and then people

1425
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: gang banging right after, you're like, here we go.

1426
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah crazy. Have you ever covered Mormons at all? And

1427
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 3: you're no, I haven't.

1428
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 2: But you know, when I first got to Salt Lake City,

1429
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: I went to Temple Square and they were in plain

1430
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: clothes and they're like, hey, what's up man? I thought

1431
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: they were fans.

1432
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 3: Like, oh, yeah, good to meet you. Bro.

1433
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: I was like, you want a picture, and they were

1434
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: like a picture.

1435
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 3: Have you read the word? Like ah?

1436
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: Man.

1437
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 3: So I grew up in Mesa, which is outside of Phoenix,

1438
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: like yeah, twenty minutes and it's a big Mormon population.

1439
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 3: So I'm very very intrigued. And then I moved to Boise.

1440
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 3: I did radio and bois for a year, which is

1441
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: the third largest Mormon population. It's just such a very

1442
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 3: very interesting culture of people.

1443
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: They're really nice.

1444
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 3: There's the nicest people ever. Their religion is pretty wild. Yeah,

1445
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 3: it is pretty crazy. Like there's I would love to

1446
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: see you. Is there some more if some more in

1447
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 3: the Mormon shiit pops up? Yeah, I would love to

1448
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 3: see you.

1449
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: I mean I love Salt Lake City.

1450
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: Like there's this bar that they're called Twilight Lounge that

1451
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: I like a lot, you know what I mean. So,

1452
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: and most of the kids who get drunk there every

1453
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 2: day are from Mormon families and they just drink and

1454
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: they just like sit there and be.

1455
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 3: Like oh yeah. Like when I was a kid, like

1456
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: the kids in high school who were like doing like

1457
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 3: real drugs or all Mormons because they were like revolting.

1458
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's people don't know.

1459
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: But Salt Lake City is like a many New Orleans

1460
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 2: when it comes to alcohol consumption because these kids who

1461
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: defect or they kind of break off from the church,

1462
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: they drink like amish people on Rum's from Man.

1463
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: You know, I went to Salt Lake once. We went

1464
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 3: for the day. We went to interview a young boy

1465
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: at his house.

1466
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: Such a good video, bro, Yeah, shout out to him, man,

1467
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite interviews.

1468
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 3: Shout out to young boy. Free that man, Free him.

1469
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: I know.

1470
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: All he had to do was not do that.

1471
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: All he had to do was just just not like

1472
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 3: fake prescriptions. So you have everything like like like what

1473
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 3: that young boy story came out? I was like, really, bro, wait, is.

1474
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: It correct that he went to the Walgreens and said

1475
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm a doctor?

1476
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 3: He called I think it was over the phone. I

1477
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 3: think he called in over the phone as a fake. Again,

1478
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 3: this is all.

1479
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: Can you imagine young boy trying to sound like not

1480
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 2: young boy because somebody's.

1481
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 3: Just hanging out with him like super nice guy. You know.

1482
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, you spent some time here in LA with

1483
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 3: crit Mac, who obviously is incarcerated. Shout out to krypt Mac.

1484
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 3: Do you keep in any contact with him at all.

1485
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit.

1486
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 3: Do you know what's going on with his case?

1487
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: Is there any I mean, he's just gonna do his time.

1488
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: He'll be out next Christmas.

1489
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 3: So he'll be out next Christmas.

1490
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: Nice Christmas.

1491
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, shot. What is your thoughts on like that? I

1492
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: guess because I feel like krit Mac was kind of

1493
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 3: like the beginning of the commercial commercialization in the podcast

1494
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 3: space of like gang banging it's bad. It's like it's

1495
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 3: becoming like a you know, whether it's cam capone you know,

1496
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 3: obviously no jumper at him, you know, you go on.

1497
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: I mean there's it's kind of crazy, like like gang

1498
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 3: politics have now become like real just YouTube content, like it's.

1499
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 2: A serious content farm. What I've noticed though, is like

1500
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: once the lore is kind of oversaturated and figured out,

1501
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 2: people kind of move on. For example, like the Hyracology

1502
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: way of like all the gdbd O block cutard ship

1503
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 2: that had like four years of people figuring out everything,

1504
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 2: and now you hear you've heard every story like every

1505
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: FBG BUTTA interview.

1506
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know that already.

1507
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how I know that, But like you

1508
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 2: got dudes like traploor Ross who are breaking down the

1509
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: scientific moment by moment progression of these beefs and then

1510
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 2: they figure it out and it's kind of just like,

1511
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 2: all right, we understand Chicago.

1512
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 3: Because he did like a four hour King von like

1513
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 3: documentary that was fucking I couldn't get through it.

1514
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: He might be the greatest drill documentarian.

1515
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask you, what are your thoughts on

1516
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 3: a guy like because he obviously fancies himself a journalist.

1517
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely a journalist.

1518
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on Trapel?

1519
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: I think he's dope. I mean I think that.

1520
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 2: You know, last time I went on to Jumper, I

1521
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 2: was pretty critical about like just the gangbang in space

1522
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 2: being commercialized and.

1523
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: The way that has been.

1524
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 2: But at the same time, now that I look back,

1525
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: I think the real person to blame is the record labels.

1526
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: I mean, the people pushing this shit in the first place.

1527
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 2: You can't blame journalists and podcasters for responding to that demand.

1528
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't like they pulled these people out of a hat.

1529
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 2: I'm curious about King von No, Atlantic and all these

1530
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: record labels they decide, Okay, we're going to commercialize gang music.

1531
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think too, Like you know, it's interesting because

1532
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys always say this because I'm

1533
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 3: not a big Drill fan, Like it's just never was

1534
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 3: like my shit, you know. But I feel like nowadays

1535
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 3: the kids aren't into like you'll see it all the

1536
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 3: time with like let's say like pull a name out

1537
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 3: of Kwanda Rondo. Yeah, like he's known, but like he

1538
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 3: doesn't really have much big music. No, his interviews are

1539
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 3: still good there, like most of these guys are known

1540
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 3: more like people care about the It's almost like they're

1541
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 3: like like the audience is just watching this real life

1542
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 3: like crime series play out and they have like only

1543
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 3: invested in like the Julio Fulio, Young and Ace is

1544
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 3: the perfect example. Yeah right, it was like people really

1545
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 3: I mean, like not to say they didn't have some

1546
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 3: dope like like Fulio had some dope records, you know,

1547
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 3: but people were more invested in like how's this going

1548
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 3: to end? As opposed to like, yo, let me go

1549
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 3: support this guy's album that came out.

1550
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: I know when Fulio died, like the next day that

1551
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: Young and A song right five in the morning, got

1552
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: a call who is this? One hundred thousand comments? I'm like,

1553
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: just even the comment like just so some.

1554
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 3: Of the comments are just so like people like don't

1555
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 3: have a heart.

1556
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's even beyond that, they don't see them

1557
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 2: as human beings like superheroes and the drill. They don't

1558
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: exactly lives as valuable. I mean, it's it's depressing, but

1559
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: like it's not gonna end.

1560
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 3: It's not gonna end.

1561
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: So it's like I'm a big proponent and like, don't

1562
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: critique things too heavily that you can't stop for sure,

1563
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: you know, And like the youth is hypnotized by violent

1564
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: and violent violence and violent music.

1565
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know. You know you mentioned going

1566
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 3: on to a jumper, Like I think you know. I

1567
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 3: think Adam is to me, Like I always tell people

1568
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 3: when they you know, because I'm tight with Adam. He's

1569
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 3: the home and I always say, like, hey man, Adam's

1570
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 3: reinvented that fucking platform over and over and over. He's

1571
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 3: also responsible for some of like the greatest hip hop

1572
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 3: interviews of all time, if you go back to X

1573
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 3: and the first Juice World interview and and all that

1574
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 3: shit for better or worse, from like twenty sixteen to

1575
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 3: seventeen to now, Like there was this shift in the

1576
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 3: SoundCloud era and like that that platform was very, very

1577
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 3: instrumentaleh in the that wave and like you said, there's

1578
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 3: a demand for that content. So if it's not, and

1579
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 3: I think Adam does a pretty decent job of like

1580
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 3: if you watch the more long form shit, like yeah,

1581
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 3: having some nuance in context to a lot of those

1582
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 3: beefs and stuff. But no matter who, like there's gonna

1583
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 3: be a cam capone, there's gonna be what's the homies name?

1584
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 3: Who does the hood documentaries? That never shows his face.

1585
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 3: I've DMed with him before, fu.

1586
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: DJ small eyes.

1587
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 3: Nah, he does like a glugs No does. He does

1588
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 3: a lot of like Northern Cali shit.

1589
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it before, but Northern California is way

1590
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: more active than here.

1591
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 3: Oh like Stockin's crazy, Yeah yeah, Stockings fucking.

1592
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 2: The cool thing about how Adam has been able to

1593
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 2: develop his platform is like the SoundCloud era was huge, right,

1594
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: and it took place in La obviously like Melrose and Fairfax.

1595
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: But it wasn't an LA scene.

1596
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 3: It was like a Florida thing.

1597
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: But but I mean, like this was this the hub

1598
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: of like media for it for sure, and a lot

1599
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: of like the rappers lived here and like once it

1600
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: fizzled out, like you still he figured it out because

1601
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: he was like, all right, we gotta make something out

1602
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: of just like l a Native rap and there's some

1603
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: sick rappers from La X four RS three. I still

1604
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: listen to Draco every days.

1605
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 3: Amazing the truth. Yeah, long live Draco for you man?

1606
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 3: What is what is like when you put a movie

1607
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 3: out like Dear Kelly and and you know you're getting

1608
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 3: a lot of love for it. It's an amazing documentary.

1609
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 3: I thought, I don't know what is your team? Like?

1610
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 3: Is it how many of you are there?

1611
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 2: So there's me, Susan who's like the senior producer, uh,

1612
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 2: Timmy and Liam who work in the office. And now

1613
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 2: I have four editors Gabe, Wiggy, Ethan, Charlie and then

1614
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: my homie Drew edit from Texas. So I don't know

1615
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 2: how many people that is in total, but it's a

1616
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: it's a nine person team. And then I got correspondence

1617
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: like Hosue in Mexico City.

1618
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 3: I watched, Yeah, I watched his TJ episode.

1619
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the oh that's that's the Homi.

1620
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 2: Beanie from La Okaysuay did the Mexico City gentrification.

1621
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 3: He just did. I just saw that one I saw.

1622
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 3: I saw the Mexico City one.

1623
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 2: I saw it, and he's doing a cock fighting episode

1624
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 2: right now, which is gonna be sick, which is like

1625
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 2: a deep in the country of Mexico. And then we

1626
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: have like correspondent in Israel won in New Zealand, and

1627
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 2: then yeah, but in general, I would say, like, oh,

1628
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: then JP, the homey from New York is the social

1629
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 2: media clips.

1630
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: So I don't know how big your team is. Is

1631
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: it more or less than ten?

1632
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 3: Two?

1633
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: Oh shit, there's got to be a third. There's that

1634
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: my boy Erica Rock helps Okay, so my team is

1635
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: probably like around your size, like under twenty more than three.

1636
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 3: Damn yeah, it's it's crazy. Uh. And the other thing

1637
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 3: you started to do was dub over your videos in

1638
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 3: different languages, which I think mister Beast was Like, was

1639
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 3: it mister Beast who started doing that? Ship?

1640
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the one who made me want to

1641
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 2: do it, now that I watched mister Beasts religiously, but

1642
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: I've seen mister Beat, so I just know, like he

1643
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 2: has a town in North Carolina. It's like a YouTube town,

1644
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 2: right where he has a whole studio there with like

1645
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 2: different overdubbed team for Different.

1646
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 3: Prime show is really good. Oh really Beast Games. It's

1647
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 3: like real life squid games. You have kids, right, yeah,

1648
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 3: that's why you're watching of course, okay, of course. Yeah. Yeah.

1649
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 3: It's like there's no way you get off work and

1650
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 3: you're like here we go. No, there was like it's

1651
01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 3: good though, it's yeah.

1652
01:07:58,640 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1653
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 3: So I was gonna ask you because you did you

1654
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 3: you talked about your correspondence. You did a really dope

1655
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 3: video about it was it took place, and there was

1656
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 3: you kind of showed both perspectives in terms of what

1657
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 3: was going on in Lebanon. Yeah, and I think you

1658
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 3: said the video would did get demonetized.

1659
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 2: I mean that video has been like a nightmare. Like

1660
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 2: every correspondent who is in that video is now mad

1661
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: at me for some reason. Wow, you know, because I

1662
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 2: had someone in Israel and someone eleven.

1663
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 3: Because you had someone on the Israeli side talk and

1664
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 3: someone on the Lebed East side talk, and.

1665
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 2: Some British guys interviewed this hes blow dude, and they're

1666
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 2: mad because I didn't put him in the credits because

1667
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 2: I forgot to, And like it's just that that that

1668
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 2: piece was a trilateral nightmare. Damn.

1669
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: But it was good man. Thank you. I'm glad you

1670
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 3: liked it, bro, because I feel like it's important because

1671
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 3: I feel like, again, there's just these there's there's especially

1672
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 3: with that situation. It's like, you know, it just sucks

1673
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 3: because I'm sure we probably aligned pretty closely in terms

1674
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 3: of how we feel about that. The war that's been

1675
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 3: happening for over a year. Definitely this bullshit ceasefire that

1676
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 3: is probably going to result in. I mean, Trump just

1677
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 3: said they want he wants to fucking displace the entire country.

1678
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is crazy.

1679
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, for you, like interviewing a Hesbela

1680
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 3: member on camera, that's a risk for you. Yeah. I

1681
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 3: didn't do it though, no I know, but just it's

1682
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 3: your platform. So like telling the side of the Hesbela.

1683
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 2: Dude, I thought, soldier, I thought that covering MAGA and

1684
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 2: Antifa shit opened me up to criticism.

1685
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: Brother. You should have seen when I dropped the Hesbela interview.

1686
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 3: Dude.

1687
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 2: People were calling me like a pro terrorism platform, like

1688
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I had comments in Hebrew

1689
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 2: like wishing death upon me and shit.

1690
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: I was like, this is they don't play about them at.

1691
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 3: Least would you, because I think the other story that

1692
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 3: I really would like to see somebody really trying to

1693
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 3: tackle in like as is like what's going on in

1694
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 3: the West Bank. Yeah, yeah when the settlers and like

1695
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:51,799
Speaker 3: there's like a it's pretty fucked.

1696
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, those settlers are on some shit. You seen videos

1697
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: of them? Oh my god, what's wrong with them?

1698
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 3: What is wrong?

1699
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:57,759
Speaker 1: Seriously?

1700
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 3: They're like maniac like yeah, like what nightmares are made of.

1701
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 3: Like there's this lady who's just so mean and evil.

1702
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like homeless people with ars.

1703
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 3: They're like homeless people with ars. Bingo. But like you said, dude,

1704
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 3: like this shit, it's like almost like there's like this

1705
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 3: like you just can't talk about it.

1706
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: No, well, I mean you can, but it's just like

1707
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: you're opening yourself up so much, like dude.

1708
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 3: Because again with the labels you're anti Semitic or it's

1709
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 3: the same thing with like if you disagree with anything

1710
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 3: on the left, Yeah, you're a trumper, you're a Nazi.

1711
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's even worse when you're talking about Israel

1712
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 2: Palestine though, because you get your channel really taken down.

1713
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting too because it's like to see kind

1714
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 3: of like the MAGA correlation with like Israel. Yeah, and

1715
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 3: then you know, but then there's like the outliers on

1716
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 3: the right who are like so far like anti Israel, like, uh,

1717
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 3: what's the guy's name with the beer, the fucking Dan Basaria, And.

1718
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that shit's so funny.

1719
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 2: It's also just been so funny to see like MAGA

1720
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 2: aligned with is because like for two years they.

1721
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: Were like the Jewish Cabal of deep state apac elites or.

1722
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 3: The Q fuck.

1723
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, these Q fucks yeah yeah, and then and then

1724
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:11,919
Speaker 2: now they're lying, they're like funk terrorism.

1725
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.

1726
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's hell of funny. But yeah, man, I'm

1727
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 2: definitely not done covering the Middle East, but I'm taking

1728
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 2: a little breather and trying to figure it out. Next

1729
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 2: time I'm gonna go out there, be careful, Yeah, I'll

1730
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 2: be Yeah.

1731
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 3: Belly has a line he did in a freestyle where

1732
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 3: he said hero villain, it's all perspective, and it's like, yeah, yeah,

1733
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 3: it's crazy, it's crazy. What are your thoughts on, because

1734
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 3: you know, it's been an interesting first week and a

1735
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 3: half of President Trump's What are your thoughts on the

1736
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 3: first week and a half?

1737
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 2: Well, I'll say this man, if Trump does some good

1738
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 2: things for the country and the quality of life improves

1739
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: for average American, I'm not gonna go above and beyond

1740
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 2: to try and make him look bad. I'm not this

1741
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 2: like weird guy who's just like operating on some anti

1742
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 2: Trump spighte. If things get good, I'll cover that too.

1743
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 2: So I look at it as like we have no

1744
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 2: choice but to just hope for the best. So, I mean,

1745
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 2: I try to look past the sort of like anti

1746
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 2: trans shit, and I just just really think, like, Okay,

1747
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 2: is he going to eliminate the extreme poverty and inequality

1748
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: that we have.

1749
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 3: Which is always like I mean, that's what the craziest

1750
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 3: thing is is the you know, the extreme poverty is growing,

1751
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 3: and then just the wealth gap is just getting It's

1752
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 3: almost like, you know, the shit that's happening with trying.

1753
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 2: To buy homes in America and American dream is over,

1754
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 2: and the gap of regional understanding is crazy. Like, for example,

1755
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 2: California is being overtaken by tech transplants and rich people

1756
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 2: from other places, causing working class Californians to flee to

1757
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 2: Arizona and Texas. And then they say, don't California, my

1758
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 2: Texas and they look at them as the problem when

1759
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 2: their problem is low key.

1760
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 3: Them fucking with Black California.

1761
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 2: It's just like this cycle and black Rock owns everything

1762
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 2: and everything's all bad. But like I said Brad twenty

1763
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:52,759
Speaker 2: twenty eighth that year.

1764
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah I hope, so man, I sure hope. So yeah, yeah,

1765
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 3: I think it's it's just it's just it's disheartening because

1766
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 3: it's like, damn, dude, like I can I don't imagine,

1767
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 3: Like if I was like twenty two to twenty three

1768
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 3: right now, I wouldn't even even like the thought of

1769
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 3: like buying an entry level condo couldn't even cross my mind.

1770
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't own anything.

1771
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean.

1772
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah, except by in my two thousand and

1773
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: seven Tacoma the car. But I mean, aside from that,

1774
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 2: I don't even want to buy a house. If I

1775
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 2: do buy a house, it's gonna be in the cut

1776
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 2: in the country. Like young boy, So you were in

1777
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 2: Phoenix for a while, I lived in Phoenix.

1778
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: For an entire year.

1779
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna blow the lid off that no one knows

1780
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 2: that I was on forty fourth and camel Back, living

1781
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 2: behind the village it's an athletic club. Great area, holding

1782
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,560
Speaker 2: it down, Indian School, Chopper John's.

1783
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,759
Speaker 1: Siparadia, Yeah, Arcadia, Arcadia, Scottsdale, CUSP.

1784
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, great area. Yeah, so you enjoyed it? Did you

1785
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 3: enjoy your year?

1786
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: I love Phoenix, bro, I'm not gonna lie.

1787
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 2: I was a major Tucson flag staff guy and I

1788
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 2: moved to Phoenix and I said, you know what, I'm

1789
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 2: a figure out. Had to make this place as fun

1790
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 2: as possible, and I figured out my spots.

1791
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: And I got a lot of love for Phoenix.

1792
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 3: Now.

1793
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Phoenix, I always thought it was like the

1794
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: Dallas of the West. It's like a gross, infinite sprawl

1795
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,839
Speaker 1: of nothingness and identical suburban cul de sacs. But Phoenix

1796
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: is tight.

1797
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 3: No, it is tight for sure. Yeah. I mean you

1798
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 3: were in a good area too. Great food around there.

1799
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: Good food, good vegan food, you know. I mean.

1800
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 2: The only part I don't like Phoenix really, and I

1801
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 2: hate to be negative, is like the downtown Scottsdale area.

1802
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, old town.

1803
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just not my thing.

1804
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I could see why not. It's very

1805
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you own a club, a club

1806
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 3: in old Town Scott's.

1807
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 1: Which is a good business play.

1808
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and it's also the only black club

1809
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 3: in Scottsdale, so you know it's a hip hop club.

1810
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 3: We're booking like fucking whoever you could think of it.

1811
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 3: We just had Boston Richie Friday.

1812
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: Oh really sick. That's tight. I like Tempi though.

1813
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. The Tempe's a vibe. Downtown Phoenix is a vibe.

1814
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: You see. They had a candlelight vigil last night in

1815
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: Tempe for the goon for naughticham alone, Oh my god,

1816
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: goon in Heaven. Goon too soon?

1817
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 3: Dude, that this whole fucking guy becoming like the mascot

1818
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 3: for gooning on Twitter.

1819
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 1: It's horrible, bro.

1820
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 3: It's so funny. My kids were like, my my son

1821
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 3: is like, yo, dad, you see they had a they

1822
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 3: had a they had a fucking they had a gooner role.

1823
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, what.

1824
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: The full text to me? The dude organize. He's like,

1825
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 1: you gotta pull up and I was already here and

1826
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, oh that would have been

1827
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 1: fired all right.

1828
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, there was like for people who don't know,

1829
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 3: there's like this guy's fucking forever on internet. Brain what

1830
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 3: brought Hall of fame. This guy who caught my friend

1831
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 3: owns that.

1832
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: Place, Bikini Breast Bikini Beans.

1833
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, my friend Ben owns that place. Oh shit, so

1834
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,560
Speaker 3: he posts. It's funny because he posted the video. He

1835
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 3: was the first guy that posted, and I just reposted

1836
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 3: it on my story within seconds. I was like, yo,

1837
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 3: track this creeped out.

1838
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, and then like, I don't know.

1839
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 3: Two days later it was like the guy killed himself

1840
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 3: and I felt kind of bad, yeah, because I was like, fuck,

1841
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 3: I shared that video.

1842
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: Fuck was it two full days?

1843
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 3: I don't even know.

1844
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: I thought he went straight to a parking lot in

1845
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: Goodyear and just did the deed that.

1846
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know all the deats. I

1847
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 3: just know this guy is now, you know, fucking I

1848
01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 3: didn't even know what dooning he was before two weeks ago.

1849
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: You know about the Gilbert Goons, though, right, of course

1850
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: have you them?

1851
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 3: Have you? Have you done anything? No Gilbert Good? No,

1852
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 3: I didn't.

1853
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 2: I was focused on the border and I was like,

1854
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about this ship. But now,

1855
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 2: looking back, I wish I had an exclusive.

1856
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Gilbert Goons. For people who don't know, it's

1857
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 3: like this Gilbert is like the nicest area you could

1858
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 3: possibly live in. It's like one of them is pretty

1859
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 3: big Mormon area too. But just these fucking they get it.

1860
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: They killed somebody, right, Rich kid gangs, rich kid Gary's

1861
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: you know, but like, dude, real ones, No, rich high

1862
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: school kid gangs are terrifying.

1863
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 2: They catch bodies. There was one in Laurel Canyon, the

1864
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 2: Wonderland Gang. Yeah, the three eleven Boys in Las Vegas

1865
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: and Seattle. You had a gang called Spruce Mob that

1866
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 2: would hit licks at every house party. They never caught

1867
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 2: a body. But these kids got none to lose, no money.

1868
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 3: Their parents are by.

1869
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: Lawyers charged as juveniles.

1870
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 3: Their daddy didn't love them enough, wasn't around enough. And

1871
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 3: what are they listening to? Fucking Chief Keef and fucking

1872
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 3: NBA young boy.

1873
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: And so we're not gonna blame no Jumper for that, yo.

1874
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 3: It's so oh my god, that's funny. Dude. You're obviously

1875
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 3: a big hip hop fan. Who were your like like like, like,

1876
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 3: who would you say he is like your favorite hip

1877
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 3: hop artists of all time?

1878
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 2: I mean I grew up in like the litl Be

1879
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 2: Chief Key Cooks and Space Ghost Purp generation, you know,

1880
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 2: in between odd Future and trippy red if that makes.

1881
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 3: Sense, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean this is good

1882
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 3: hip hop in there.

1883
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was kind of my era. I mean now,

1884
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 2: like I listened to a lot of Lah. I listened

1885
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 2: to a lot of sped up Florida music. Like I

1886
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 2: listened to a lot of jack Boy obviously Kodak, but

1887
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 2: you ever heard a nine to five to four fast

1888
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 2: pitch before DJ Frisco, DJ Fetti Fee.

1889
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of.

1890
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 3: Shit like that. The crazy shit is I had, you know,

1891
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 3: me and Denzel career homies and where I was like, yo, man,

1892
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 3: like first of all, Space Ghost Perp. He don't get

1893
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 3: enough fucking love for the influence he had. But like

1894
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 3: if Raider Clan and Asap Mob never beefed, yeah, Like,

1895
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 3: there was just so many possibilities that could have played out, dude.

1896
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 2: And you know, we remember a public school breakfast when

1897
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 2: you going to give you the apple wrapped in plastic

1898
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 2: and a couple of eggs. So when I was in

1899
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 2: sixth grade, I used to go to public school breakfas

1900
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 2: and there was this dude that would sit at the

1901
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 2: table across from me. His name was Keishawn. He ended

1902
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 2: up joining Raider Clan and he was the only Seattle member.

1903
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 2: He's a rapper named key Niata. So we got to

1904
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 2: meet some of like the og Raider Clan people at

1905
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 2: one of his first concerts in Capitol Hills. So I

1906
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 2: had met like space Cohos, Purp and Denzel Curry and

1907
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 2: young Sammy when I was like fourteen, And I thought

1908
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 2: about that too, like if the asap Purp thing never happened,

1909
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 2: which was all about the vocabulary and the Vale replacement

1910
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: with the excess and V's being taken, if that didn't happen,

1911
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what would have happened. But Purp is legend,

1912
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 2: little Bee also legend.

1913
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I wish I had more for you,

1914
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: but just the whole.

1915
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 3: When you're a kid in Seattle, do you just like

1916
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 3: fucking Maclamore.

1917
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 2: Let's go, well, the thing about Malcilmore and this is

1918
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 2: why Seattle guy, by the way, I fucked with Macklimore.

1919
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 2: This is why Seattle is such a hater city. Bro

1920
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 2: is because Malcilmore was the most respected underground legend.

1921
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 3: For yeah No for a few years, Like he was

1922
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 3: like an underground rapper bro.

1923
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 2: He went to Garfield High School. He's not a suburban cat.

1924
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 2: Malcolm was a certified, respected battle rapper, freestyle rapper from

1925
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 2: the inner city of Seattle who had the most respect.

1926
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 2: The moment Thrift Shop comes out, it hits a billion views,

1927
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's the people in Seattle are like, haha, Mackelmore,

1928
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 2: this and that instantaneously hometown hate and jealousy.

1929
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,879
Speaker 3: Which is crazy because it's like, dude, this guy's such.

1930
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: A good guy, such a good that's a band man.

1931
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,560
Speaker 1: He's from the same neighborhood as me.

1932
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Yeah, he's such a good guy, dude, and

1933
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, I think it's been just dope

1934
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 3: to see him like unapologetically take a stand for a

1935
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:34,799
Speaker 3: fucking what's going on in Palestine.

1936
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 1: He goes MLK on him, he does, he said some

1937
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: I forget what he said. No, he talks like MLK

1938
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 1: on him. You ever hear him fucking Malcolm wore being

1939
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: like I'm taking a stand, you know, it's of Yeah,

1940
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:47,560
Speaker 1: he does it once every five years, and when he

1941
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 1: does it, he's not fucking playing.

1942
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 3: I remember when he jumped on the fuck Donald Trump remix.

1943
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: Oh shit, damn that song.

1944
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 3: I forgot about He's on the Fuck Donald Trump remix?

1945
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 3: It was I think it was him and G Easy.

1946
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 3: I think it was why Yeah, it was y G.

1947
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 3: G Easy in Maclamore.

1948
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 2: G Easy went to the small Catholic Catholic college that

1949
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 2: I went to in New Orleans. But check it out

1950
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 2: when that when I hear that instrumental from Fuck Donald Trump,

1951
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 2: it gives me goosebumps because that was it was being

1952
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: played during all the riots in Minneapolis. I can smell,

1953
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 2: I can feel the flames from the precinct burning on

1954
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 2: my face when I hear that instrumental.

1955
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 3: Holy shit, you know what I mean?

1956
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 2: That one and the beginning of the Fuck the Police

1957
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 2: instrumental before Boosey starts rapping with those two songs.

1958
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: You'll never experience life until you're around a burning cop

1959
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: car with the song's playing.

1960
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 3: What's what's next?

1961
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: Man?

1962
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 3: I'm this obviously. I know you you're gonna keep the

1963
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 3: channel growing and doing big ship, but like, you know,

1964
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 3: are you going to continue to do documentaries?

1965
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1966
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 3: Do you think that with the success of this is

1967
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 3: the goal that I get to deal with Netflix, maybe

1968
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 3: be able to sell the next one to one of

1969
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 3: these bigger platforms.

1970
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to work with them really.

1971
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 2: I mean, actually, you know what, I just don't want

1972
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 2: to be put in a position again to where my

1973
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 2: future is in the hands of somebody and some people

1974
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. So I would definitely work with NETFLI

1975
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 2: in a licensing capacity, but I want every movie that

1976
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 2: I drop, I want to drop by myself first on

1977
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 2: my own websites, and I'm gonna go to them with

1978
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 2: the numbers and say, hey, if you like this, would

1979
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 2: you like to license it for a year. I won't

1980
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 2: post it on my platform. You guys can make as

1981
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 2: much money off you want off of it as you want,

1982
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 2: like masterp that style. Because whenever you're a documentary filmmaker

1983
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 2: and you go to a streaming platform HBO and Netflix,

1984
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 2: Prime to be whatever, they're going to calculate how much

1985
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 2: money that they're going to give you based upon a

1986
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 2: minimum guarantee, which is calculated by your engagement. So if

1987
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,440
Speaker 2: you're in obscurity, if you're in nobody with a dope documentary,

1988
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 2: they're going to be incentivized to give you a small number.

1989
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 2: But if you're somebody who can say, hey, dear Kelly

1990
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 2: did fifty thousand streams in the first month.

1991
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,839
Speaker 1: Here's how much money we made. Here's the reaction.

1992
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 2: How would you like to go into business together? You

1993
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 2: license it, do as much as you want with it,

1994
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 2: then give it back one day so I can die

1995
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 2: with the ip.

1996
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: That is the best situation. They tell you you can't

1997
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:56,560
Speaker 1: do that.

1998
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 3: Has anyone done it before? No?

1999
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: No, because because what the platform say is, I know

2000
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 2: it's not that much money, and I know that we're

2001
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 2: going to own it. It's not going to be years,

2002
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 2: but you're going to be famous, and then that exposure

2003
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 2: is going to be your gateway into owning your content

2004
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 2: in the future one day. This is a model that

2005
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 2: I thought of, and once I explained it to my agent,

2006
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, that's possible, and I was like, oh shit, really.

2007
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: He's like yeah yeah.

2008
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 3: I mean if you show why wouldn't they want Because

2009
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you have such a

2010
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 3: niche audience, and if it's something that you've already shown

2011
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 3: the proof of concept for like hey, no, it worked,

2012
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 3: we have this is then this is what we did.

2013
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 3: This is the buzz behind the movie. I mean, why

2014
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 3: wouldn't they license it?

2015
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: Not a few reasons, but I mean, you know, in general.

2016
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 2: Obviously I've had some controversy in the past that makes

2017
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 2: it difficult for them, and secondly marketing budget.

2018
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 3: The controversy that you had, I thought it was. I mean,

2019
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 3: you don't have to speak on it, but I think

2020
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 3: just from a perspective of somebody who follows you and

2021
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 3: I think I gather what transpired. Yeah, I just thought

2022
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 3: it was It was very very uh Aziz an Zari

2023
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 3: type situation. In my opinion, it was like, yeah, are

2024
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 3: we really trying to cancel this guy?

2025
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,480
Speaker 1: And what happened behind the scenes is more unbelievable.

2026
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 3: Yet to speak on it, but the point is is

2027
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 3: that I just felt like, you know, I felt like

2028
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 3: your situation and DISEASA situation was like the personification of

2029
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 3: cancel culture getting a little fucking out of hand. Yeah,

2030
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,600
Speaker 3: like what are we doing here? But that's just me,

2031
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 3: I know, you know, like you said, you haven't spoke

2032
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 3: about behind the scenes, I'm sure.

2033
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,759
Speaker 2: I mean, it was basically, without giving too much information

2034
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 2: out because it's going to all come at at one time. Yeah,

2035
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 2: it was a lawyer and a group of people who

2036
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 2: most of whom I didn't know, trying to bait me

2037
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 2: into a civil settlement to give them a portion of

2038
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 2: the HBO movie payout. But I didn't play ball with

2039
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 2: these people. They sent out press releases to the media

2040
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 2: outlets who basically ran these pieces as a pressure tactic.

2041
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 2: So I had to the only way out of that

2042
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 2: situation really was to kind of like just bite the

2043
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 2: bullet and move on.

2044
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 3: Wow. So they really try to, yeah, bully you into

2045
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 3: a payday.

2046
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't do it. But I had to

2047
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: deal with you know, I had to really make a choice.

2048
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 3: You had to face it.

2049
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if I were to pay the money to

2050
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 2: these people, then there'd be an NDA and nobody would

2051
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: learn about it. That's what most of the celebrities in

2052
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 2: the industry do. I was actually advised to do that

2053
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 2: by some of the people I was working with. They said,

2054
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 2: you know what, this is a part of becoming famous.

2055
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 2: You're going to have people who try to get money

2056
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 2: out of you. The best thing to do is take

2057
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 2: the L financially and hold on to your career. And

2058
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I'm actually not going to

2059
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 2: take the L financially because if I pay somebody out

2060
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 2: for something I didn't do, then what's going to happen?

2061
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 2: Five years down the line, if I continue to have

2062
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 2: success and they have that on me, it's going to.

2063
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 1: Go up and up and up. I just I didn't

2064
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: want to be on that hook.

2065
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 2: But the point is because I haven't really spoke too

2066
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 2: much about that situation with receipts, yet I still have

2067
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: this issue to where like even today, People Magazine was

2068
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 2: supposed to run a feature on me. They had the

2069
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 2: whole thing written, and then ten minutes before it's supposed

2070
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 2: to come out, up the editor in chief, because of

2071
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 2: the controversy, decided to nix the story.

2072
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,640
Speaker 3: These guys are pussies, but.

2073
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 2: That's the world they live in. It's so crazy, So

2074
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 2: I'd be crazy to pretend like that's not a road

2075
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 2: block to getting my shit on Netflix, you know what

2076
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 2: I mean?

2077
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think if there's anything that hopefully,

2078
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 3: you know, we think about the positives that could happen

2079
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 3: with fucking old fucking orange face being president again, is

2080
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 3: like a lot of that shit gets eased up and

2081
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 3: and and you know it sucks too because you also

2082
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 3: see like a lot of these fools just bend in

2083
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 3: the kneed to trump and like getting rid of, like,

2084
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 3: you know, shit just to bend the need of Trump. Yeah,

2085
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 3: but it's like, yo, man, like we got to stop

2086
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:36,679
Speaker 3: fucking like just getting people out of here for no reason.

2087
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 3: And it's become like, you know, there's a real economy

2088
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 3: behind it, Like there's an economy behind, there's commerce behind

2089
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 3: making us hate each other. Yeah, and there isn't it.

2090
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 3: There's this there's a whole black market, you know, economy

2091
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 3: behind trying to cancel people or blackmail im legally and

2092
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 3: cold legally blackmail people.

2093
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2094
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 2: And you asked about, you know, the BLM movement too,

2095
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 2: and I think it's the same thing with the me

2096
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 2: too movement. A lot of things start off with a

2097
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,719
Speaker 2: genuine purpose, but then the tail end becomes an industry.

2098
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 2: It's based upon generating capital.

2099
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the me too thing got pretty out

2100
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,440
Speaker 3: of hand quick. It was like, yeah, fucking Harvey Weinstein's

2101
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 3: a fucking steaming pile of dog shit. And this is

2102
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 3: something that obviously happens and it should be addressed. But

2103
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 3: if someone hits on you, that doesn't mean that they

2104
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 3: sexually like, it's just like it shit, Like I think

2105
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 3: I think I don't remember all the details of his

2106
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 3: ease thing, but I think he flirted with someone and

2107
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 3: it didn't go well, and like he I think he

2108
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 3: lost his show on Netflix definitely. I mean he's yet

2109
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 3: to return, you know, which is crazy because he's like

2110
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:37,719
Speaker 3: one of the guys.

2111
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to if you really want to have

2112
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 2: a mind fuck, the person who leads the Creating Evidence Lab,

2113
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 2: which is an online workshop that teaches you how to

2114
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 2: basically extract a confession from somebody, is Harvey Weinstein's defense attorney.

2115
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 3: What.

2116
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like it's it's like a black Mirror episode,

2117
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 2: Like this shit is really this shit's really full circle.

2118
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 3: What is your opinion on a guy like Joe Rogan?

2119
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 2: I like him, Yeah, I mean, obviously I disagree with

2120
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 2: some of the things he said, but I think that

2121
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 2: as a podcaster, what he's been able to achieve in

2122
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 2: some of the conversations that I've I've seen him have before,

2123
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 2: I think he does a great job. I mean, especially

2124
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 2: if you think about, like the fact that when he

2125
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 2: came onto the scene, you know, podcasting wasn't what it

2126
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 2: was today, and so I almost feel like he kind

2127
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 2: of paved the way for podcasts to be taken more seriously. Yeah,

2128
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,759
Speaker 2: you know, I know, he's like an easy person to target,

2129
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 2: and you know, I did meet him one time and

2130
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 2: he wasn't the nicest to me.

2131
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. But you know, I feel

2132
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 3: like you're gonna end up on that show.

2133
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: I hope so, bro.

2134
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 3: But at the same time, like, but then when you

2135
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 3: go on there, when you go on there, they're gonna

2136
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:51,759
Speaker 3: be like because now you know, obviously Joe Rogan's a Nazi,

2137
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 3: you know, so.

2138
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna be you know.

2139
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 3: And I think with Rogan is like I always just

2140
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 3: appreciate the fact that like he just I've learned about

2141
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 3: like archaeology on his podcast and I never would have

2142
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 3: or fucking self sustained farming or just like the most

2143
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:10,600
Speaker 3: random shit, it's tight. And when it comes to like

2144
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 3: political shit, like he'll have like I remember there was

2145
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:15,560
Speaker 3: like two a couple of years ago. He had like

2146
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 3: one guy who was uh, pro climate change and then

2147
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:22,799
Speaker 3: another guy who was anti climate change, and he interviewed

2148
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 3: them and back to back days and then got them

2149
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 3: together to have like a discussion, and I'm like, well

2150
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 3: that and it was like four hours long. Yeah, I mean,

2151
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 3: you're not getting that.

2152
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: You're not going to see shit like that elsewhere.

2153
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 2: And I think it also speaks to like people's attention

2154
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 2: attention span, even though the social media algorithm would tell

2155
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 2: you that people have like a short attention span. People

2156
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 2: are still watching three and a half hour podcast for sure.

2157
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 2: Foples are still going to watch this whole podcast and

2158
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 2: they're gonna like it.

2159
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 3: You know, what are your thoughts on? Uh, you were

2160
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:52,799
Speaker 3: on the ground for January sixth. I was nearby nearby.

2161
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 3: Oh you weren't there, Okay, okay, okay, yeah, okay, so

2162
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 3: you weren't there, that's right.

2163
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 2: I was there for like three different pump fakes where

2164
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 2: they said like we're gonna take the Capitol and they

2165
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,759
Speaker 2: would get close and be like not today.

2166
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 3: So I want to know your thoughts because I thought

2167
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 3: it was I thought that with the j sixers, I

2168
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 3: guess I think that there was probably some people who

2169
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 3: probably should have been pardoned who walked into a building,

2170
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,839
Speaker 3: and then I think there were people who deservingly attacked

2171
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 3: Capitol police officers. Yeah, there was like this blanket party

2172
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 3: where I was like, I don't know if you should

2173
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 3: have partnered all of them, like maybe half like, because

2174
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 3: I do think that there was genuinely people. I mean,

2175
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 3: there was a dude who got arrested who shot his

2176
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 3: mixtape cover in the Capitol that day, whoa like some

2177
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 3: rapper just because he was there, and like they that's hard. Yeah, yeah,

2178
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 3: but I feel like there were people there who just

2179
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 3: like genuinely like walked in with their phones, like, oh,

2180
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 3: this is crazy, we're in the Capitol.

2181
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 1: I hate to be that guy, but like, dude, the

2182
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 1: people who should be in jail for January sixth is

2183
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 1: like Trump, if you really want to start locking people

2184
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 1: up for that, it's the people who told these these

2185
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 1: masses that the election was stolen and that they had

2186
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 1: to take their country back. Yeah.

2187
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 3: I think too, is they. I think that that Trump

2188
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 3: knew it wasn't stolen. That's the problem. If Trump truly

2189
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 3: believed the election was stolen, then okay, But I don't

2190
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 3: think he truly believed the election was stolen. I think

2191
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:11,600
Speaker 3: it's just like Rudy Giuliotti, by the way, he's a

2192
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 3: piece of shit, God Jesus, the most cringiest. I feel like, yeah,

2193
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 3: out of everybody from the last eight years, I should

2194
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 3: just love to see him fucking just eat shit.

2195
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 1: Fuck Rudy Giuliani. Yeah, especially because he was like a

2196
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 1: nine to eleven hero and he had.

2197
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 3: To fucked around and do this such a piece of shit, dude.

2198
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but honestly, like if you look at some of

2199
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 1: their prison sentences, some of them were just.

2200
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 3: Outrageous, outrageous and like some people like I think we're

2201
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 3: just being held without a court date all this time,

2202
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, if this teacher like stumbled into

2203
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 3: the as long there were people who showed up with

2204
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 3: zip ties like attacked officers, that guy should be in

2205
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:51,719
Speaker 3: jail for sure. He should never you know, one hundred percent.

2206
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on because you you have covered

2207
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 3: the Proud Boys. I know, the Proud Boys leader in

2208
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 3: Rique what's his last Enrique Tarrio, he just got pardoned.

2209
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm close with a lot of people

2210
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 2: who got pardoned. Yeah, I mean they probably don't like

2211
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 2: me now because of the HBO documentary. Unfortunately, the way

2212
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 2: I was made to posture in that film burned a

2213
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 2: lot of bridges with the conservatives.

2214
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:14,759
Speaker 3: Really yeah, yeah.

2215
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: They basically made me.

2216
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 2: They tried to like posture me into this like misinformation Watchdog,

2217
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 2: who was like super blue pillar that just existed to like,

2218
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 2: you know, just a Trump and exposed expose white nationalism.

2219
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 2: I'm obviously like, I will do that if that's what's

2220
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 2: happening with the They made me editorialize it so much

2221
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,560
Speaker 2: to where like I'm saying shit at the end on

2222
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 2: this director's chair monologue that I didn't have a choice

2223
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 2: a choice in where I'm saying like Enrique Tario couldn't even.

2224
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: Stomach the fire that he'd fueled, just like pussy as

2225
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 1: shit like that.

2226
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 3: I wonder because from when I get I one time

2227
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:51,640
Speaker 3: we were in Vegas, me and my boys, and we

2228
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 3: just happened to be there the night Trump had a

2229
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 3: he had a fucking rally, And I think we're staying

2230
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 3: at Treasure Island or some Sure, we're staying some and

2231
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 3: we happen to be staying where the Proud Boys are staying. Yeah,

2232
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 3: So I'm playing Roulette and these and I'm like, real,

2233
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 3: like my boy he's like hey, He's like, I think

2234
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 3: we're surrounded by Proud boys.

2235
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 1: Where they were in Fred Perry's, they were wearing like.

2236
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 3: Polo shirts yeah, golden yellow gold yeah right yeah, And

2237
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:23,600
Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, but like what, like I

2238
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 3: want to say, only one of the dudes at the

2239
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 3: roulette table with us was actually white.

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01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if.

2241
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 3: Would you consider the Proud Boys. I'm not saying that

2242
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 3: I agree with anything they do because I think they're

2243
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 3: like more of like a pro masculinity group. But would

2244
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:40,720
Speaker 3: you consider them a white supremacist group, because that is

2245
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:42,680
Speaker 3: the Yeah, No, not at all.

2246
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 2: They're like a nationalist group, like a nationalist drinking club.

2247
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 2: They're kind of like soccer hooligans, you know what I mean,

2248
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 2: they just get fucked up together and like they yell

2249
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 2: about sports and also politics.

2250
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, because I remember because one of the guys

2251
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 3: who started the Proud Boys is one of the founders

2252
01:32:58,200 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 3: of Vice.

2253
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gavin mckinnis. I think that he has some white

2254
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:01,839
Speaker 2: supremacist tendencies.

2255
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, he because he would dress like fucking you just

2256
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 3: see that motherfucker. Oh, he definitely he's leaning into that shit.

2257
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:10,680
Speaker 2: He definitely fucks with Hitler. But I mean a lot

2258
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 2: of them, I feel like they support nationalist governments. But

2259
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 2: there's also been nationalist governments like Pinochette Pinochet and Chile.

2260
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 2: He wasn't white, right, you know, but he was still

2261
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 2: a dictator. There's been plenty of brown fascists.

2262
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what people you know, there's this like

2263
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 3: when we talked a little bit earlier about like kind

2264
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 3: of like the intersection of like Biden or not Biden,

2265
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 3: of Bernie and Trump. Yeah, and like I guess the

2266
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 3: quote unquote like America first approach. Yeah, and it's like

2267
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 3: it's it's it's not necessary. It's just it's not uh,

2268
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,560
Speaker 3: it's not if it's if Bernie says it is not

2269
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 3: white supremacy. Yeah, but they align even if it's on

2270
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 3: like twenty percent of that.

2271
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 2: I mean, some of the Proud Boys are like urbanized,

2272
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 2: like trendy people. I remember in twenty seventeen, I was

2273
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 2: at a bar in New York City called Mehnada, which

2274
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 2: was like this gay bar, and all the gay Proud

2275
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 2: Boys had their annual meeting there.

2276
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 1: So I walk up in there.

2277
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 2: It'saw all these like trendy gay dudes with like earrings

2278
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 2: and shit, and they're wearing the Fred Perry yellow and

2279
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 2: black polos and Maga hats, talking about you know, these

2280
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 2: gay dudes talking about how you know Trump's gonna help

2281
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 2: the gaze out because they're like gay people who don't

2282
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 2: like trans people, so they're just like raging about trans people.

2283
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 2: So I'm in there right, I'm kicking it. Was an accident, right,

2284
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 2: I'm just getting to drink. Like, they don't recognize me.

2285
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 2: So I'm just chilling and I go outside and there's

2286
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 2: like this black dude chilling out there.

2287
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 1: I look at him. I'm like, are you a gay

2288
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,680
Speaker 1: proud boy? And he was like, what the fuck? I'm

2289
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: not one of those motherfuckers. And I was like, oh,

2290
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: my bad dog. Yeah, I was joking around. He's like,

2291
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:37,640
Speaker 1: you think I'm part of that.

2292
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 2: White supremacist shit. You think I'm gay too. I was like, no,

2293
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 2: I'm just joking. He was like, fuck you hoe me

2294
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 2: my back inside, and that she was. So I still

2295
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 2: think about that all the time.

2296
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 3: Is there anything you're are you? Are you plotting on

2297
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 3: trying to maybe cover like any of these part and

2298
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 3: folks to just see what you know. I'm so over

2299
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 3: I know you've said that in the documentary.

2300
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:56,639
Speaker 1: You're over this shit, dude. It's not that interesting.

2301
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 2: That's the thing is, Like I'm on this platform talking

2302
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 2: about or Kelly because I worked on it for so

2303
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:03,839
Speaker 2: long and I think it has some level of like relevance,

2304
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 2: and so does January sixth. But I've been like in

2305
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 2: the January sixth media realm for like four years. I

2306
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 2: want to move on to like actually cool shit, Like

2307
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 2: I got this project coming out soon about like different

2308
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 2: sovereignty movements in the US and also like endangered languages

2309
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 2: in the US, like Cajun, French, Golageechee, Navajo language, some

2310
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 2: like Alaskan dude, all types.

2311
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've done it yet because you've

2312
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 3: done so much, but I think the I think there

2313
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,719
Speaker 3: has to be the story of like the reservations across

2314
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 3: the country.

2315
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've done a little bit.

2316
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 2: But like when I was that was the best thing

2317
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 2: about living in Arizona Navajo. I got super tapped in

2318
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 2: with the natives. Yeah, shout out talking about Homie Kenneth.

2319
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, shouts of the natives. Man, And like it's kind

2320
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 3: of crazy, Like, you know, there's like a real fucking

2321
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:51,679
Speaker 3: like if you drive through the res houses are they're

2322
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 3: fucking living on, Like it's kind of crazy how a

2323
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:57,880
Speaker 3: lot of these houses are constructed. Yeah, trailer parks. There's

2324
01:35:57,880 --> 01:35:59,600
Speaker 3: a lot of drug use, there's a lot of alcoholism,

2325
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 3: and it's like I just feel like, you know, that's

2326
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 3: a very interesting story that needs to be told.

2327
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,879
Speaker 2: Also, the difference is between the different reservations in Arizona.

2328
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:09,720
Speaker 2: Like if you go to Cells, which is in the

2329
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,600
Speaker 2: Tahona Odom Nation west of Tucson, that place looks like

2330
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 2: it's in the Third World country. I mean, it is

2331
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 2: broken down. You go somewhere like window Rock, which is

2332
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 2: in the Four Corners area in the Navajo Reservation, and

2333
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 2: you're like, damn, they got their shit together right for sure.

2334
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 2: And it shows how the Bureau of Indian Affairs kind

2335
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 2: of picks and shoeses where where it gets investment. And

2336
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 2: so that was the coolest shit about Arizona living there

2337
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,600
Speaker 2: is learning about the different reservations, the cultural differences. And

2338
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm actually producing my first ever like fictional TV show

2339
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:37,839
Speaker 2: with an all native cast from Arizona.

2340
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 3: Most Oh.

2341
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 2: It's called Borders. We're still like getting the pilot done,

2342
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 2: but I play a journalist in it.

2343
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 1: And it's sick.

2344
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 2: It's about it's sort of about the tahonah Odem Reservation

2345
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:47,560
Speaker 2: on the border. So it has to do with the

2346
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 2: idea of like multiple borders in one state. There's cartel characters.

2347
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 2: We got Danny Trejo's son Gilbert on that bitch. We

2348
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 2: got hell of different shit. I'm excited and so you're

2349
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 2: producing that to pitch it essentially, Yeah, yeah, I think

2350
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 2: for a TV show, I'd rather pitch it as opposed

2351
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 2: to drop it or independently. Of course, if nobody wants

2352
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 2: to take it, I'll post it on Channel five and

2353
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 2: the whole cast will be there at the end in

2354
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 2: a dark room being like.

2355
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 1: Please pick this up.

2356
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 3: It's not a bad idea. Man. Is there anything that

2357
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 3: you have besides the Chatz thing that, because of safety

2358
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 3: or because you just think it wasn't in good taste,

2359
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 3: ended up being something you decided not to release. Yeah.

2360
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:26,800
Speaker 2: After the George Floyd riots, I went back to the

2361
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:29,479
Speaker 2: Target and the kmart that got looted the next morning

2362
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 2: and did like a consumer research study about all the

2363
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 2: items that didn't get looted, you know. So it was like,

2364
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 2: this is a message to Target corporate, like there are

2365
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 2: certain items that you have that are so undesirable that

2366
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 2: even when it's open season, that's going to be left

2367
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,640
Speaker 2: on the racks. And it was like Honica sweaters, and

2368
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 2: like certain game systems that like fools just would not steal.

2369
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 3: What game systems would they stay?

2370
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 2: I don't know that well, they wanted the PlayStations in

2371
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 2: the Xbox, but it was like some of the off

2372
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:55,719
Speaker 2: brand VR headsets were just left right, We're just gonna

2373
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 2: leave those. Yeah, and even like beats by Dre they

2374
01:37:58,160 --> 01:37:59,719
Speaker 2: had some left right there, and I was like, damn.

2375
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 2: So I feel like it was important market research. And

2376
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:04,560
Speaker 2: so it was called what they Didn't Loot and it

2377
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 2: was just like a you know, an item by item analysis.

2378
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 2: But then I sent it to my boss and he's like,

2379
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 2: this is a trespassing charge and I was.

2380
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 3: Like, you still keep in contact with with Kelly?

2381
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2382
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because you you got pretty emotional. Well,

2383
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 3: I would say you got emotional in the movie at

2384
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 3: a certain point. I don't want to spoil the movie,

2385
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 3: but obviously, being you know, around somebody for so long,

2386
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 3: you guys become friends, you know, yeah, how often you

2387
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 3: guys talk? And what does he think about the movie?

2388
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 1: He loves the movie, Yeah, which is relatively surprising.

2389
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's not. I mean, I think you end

2390
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 3: up kind of I watched that movie and I ended

2391
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 3: up like like feeling for the guy.

2392
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 2: The movie is not anti Kelly, it's not. It's also

2393
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 2: not about converting someone to becoming a liberal. No, it's

2394
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 2: just a study of family and the intersection of politics

2395
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 2: between generations with an American family that's sort of splintered

2396
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:56,640
Speaker 2: by it.

2397
01:38:58,360 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he likes it.

2398
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 2: Only like I was hoping and I'm still hoping that

2399
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 2: there's kind of a breakthrough that happens after he sees it.

2400
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 3: You know.

2401
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 2: I like to think that the movie maybe is the

2402
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 2: missing piece and all of this. But he's seen it

2403
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 2: several times. He came to two different tour dates on

2404
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 2: the Channel five tour last summer, and then he also

2405
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 2: came to the premiere in Huntington Beach two and a

2406
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 2: half weeks ago, and each.

2407
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 1: Time he was kind of like hell yeah, like sick.

2408
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: So it's a bit confusing.

2409
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 3: I thought what I actually loved about was that he

2410
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,559
Speaker 3: left you a voicemail when you were going through your shit. Yeah,

2411
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 3: and you play that voicemail and it was like, damn,

2412
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 3: Like this dude, he's a good dude. Yeah, Like he's

2413
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 3: not a bad guy.

2414
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 1: Like, and he's capable of giving really good advice when

2415
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 1: it matters.

2416
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like he's obviously he's obviously a smart guy,

2417
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 3: because you don't become a lawyer and not be it.

2418
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 3: And I mean, I would say they aren't fucking idiots

2419
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 3: or lawyers. But it's like this guy had like a

2420
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,719
Speaker 3: like when you were showing some of his like family

2421
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:52,840
Speaker 3: footage with like all the animals they owned, and shit,

2422
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, this dude really had the American dream,

2423
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 3: like fucking figure it out for real.

2424
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 2: And that's kind of one of the subtexts of the

2425
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:00,639
Speaker 2: film too, is like he did achieve the American dream,

2426
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 2: and what the American dream is on paper is literally

2427
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 2: shifting classes, being able to go from a working class.

2428
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 3: Because he grew up in like I said, trailer trailer park.

2429
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 2: And boom, dude, imagine that twenty years later, after hard

2430
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,720
Speaker 2: work and dedication, you go to Pepperdine for law and

2431
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 2: you're in Laguna Hills living like Zoe one oh one,

2432
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 2: and then boom, all of a sudden, it goes away

2433
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 2: and the American Dream breaks in front of your eyes.

2434
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 2: And especially if you're conditioned by the Reagan era with

2435
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 2: that like hyper positivity Bootstrafts mentality, that is like it

2436
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 2: might as well be the fabric of space time warping

2437
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 2: when that happens.

2438
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's crazy, man. It's such a good movie, dude, people,

2439
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 3: and you know you can ran.

2440
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:37,439
Speaker 1: It for five bucks, five dollars and fifty five cents.

2441
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I think I think everyone should check it out.

2442
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:44,719
Speaker 3: I feel like, especially if you're like a fucking hardcore lefty.

2443
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the thing is like a lot of a

2444
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:49,719
Speaker 2: lot of hardcore a lot of hardcore lefties.

2445
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:52,560
Speaker 1: They want to pretend like these people don't exist.

2446
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:54,599
Speaker 3: Or they're not like people, like they're not like hey,

2447
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 3: like just be like, yes, they're crazy. They're holding the

2448
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 3: signs and they're on the they're screaming at you outside.

2449
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 3: But what is like that's a person at the end

2450
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 3: of the day in a backstory.

2451
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 2: A huge backstory, And in a way, this movie is

2452
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 2: kind of for them to say, Hey, if you do

2453
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 2: want a revolution, if you want a progressive future, you

2454
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 2: have to figure out how to incorporate the millions and

2455
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 2: millions of people like Kelly who have valid economic grievances,

2456
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 2: who were hypnotized by political media and are now working

2457
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 2: for the enemy as they see it. Right, you can't

2458
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 2: just have a utopian future without figuring out a path

2459
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 2: to stability and mental mental strength and solitude for these people.

2460
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 2: Not solitude mental like whatever the word is, like a

2461
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like for sure, mental health services,

2462
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 2: but you know, not every Trump supporters.

2463
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 1: It's like a head case. I'm just saying no for sure.

2464
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 3: No, no, I think And then I think that's the

2465
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:40,560
Speaker 3: other thing too, man is I just think like what

2466
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:42,760
Speaker 3: you do is you have context and nuanced to just

2467
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 3: so many divisive issues. And I feel like, you know,

2468
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 3: if somebody watched, like you know, any of your coverage

2469
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:52,599
Speaker 3: that you've had over the years, Bro, it's like it's like, Yo,

2470
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 3: there's not it's not. We're all in the gray area

2471
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 3: and we act like it's black or white.

2472
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's more people in that zone than

2473
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:00,599
Speaker 1: you like to think.

2474
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 3: So would you do a podcast?

2475
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it, bro, I'm thinking about it. But

2476
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 1: the thing that scares me about.

2477
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:08,839
Speaker 2: A podcast is like you look at dudes like Stevo

2478
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,520
Speaker 2: who have had crazy lives, but they've done a million podcasts.

2479
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:15,680
Speaker 2: At some point you've told every story and the lore

2480
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 2: kind of goes away, at least for somebody like me

2481
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 2: that has a sort of like in field mystique to myself.

2482
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:22,600
Speaker 3: Now that's fair, Yeah, no, that's fair. I think I

2483
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 3: think you're not overexposed personally, right.

2484
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to tell people and I'm also like,

2485
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,679
Speaker 2: I'm kind of smart, but I'm more of a listener

2486
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 2: than a talker, Like you've been in the radio, like

2487
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,600
Speaker 2: you know what you're doing. Not saying I'm a bad podcaster,

2488
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:35,799
Speaker 2: but I don't know if I have a take for everything.

2489
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I do feel like what you do is

2490
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 3: like a version of I mean, it's all content, right, podcasts,

2491
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 3: the content of v logs, content, a mini documentaries, content Like,

2492
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 3: So I think what you do, man, is I think

2493
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 3: unless you think you're doing a podcast will add to

2494
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:57,600
Speaker 3: like the overall like mission of journalism. Yeah, then you know,

2495
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 3: just double down on the ship you're doing.

2496
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2497
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 2: One thing that I would do is like a hybrid

2498
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:05,479
Speaker 2: between I guess Channel five and software Underbelly. I want

2499
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 2: to get an ambulance, buy an ambulance and kind of

2500
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 2: gut the back and turn it into a mobile studio

2501
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:13,720
Speaker 2: where I can talk to just like random people, not

2502
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 2: just like.

2503
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:16,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pull up the Yeah, I'm gonna pull up

2504
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 3: wherever sweet yeah right, kid row. It could be fucking yeah,

2505
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 3: the White Lives Matter in Huntington Beach. It could be anything.

2506
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 2: So I would do a podcast with like random people

2507
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 2: and sometimes famous people. But not just famous people, right,

2508
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 2: you know because famous.

2509
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:30,960
Speaker 3: Well, you're the only person I think that's interviewed to Yeat.

2510
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 2: Actually Complex got him, which was very unfortunate, but they

2511
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 2: didn't do it.

2512
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 3: Like yeah, but I felt like, did you have like

2513
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:38,559
Speaker 3: the first interview with Yeat?

2514
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2515
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:42,720
Speaker 3: Well actually our Generation Music got him before, but I

2516
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 3: had early. They were pretty early.

2517
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had the first post blow up interview.

2518
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Year, He's I I can't wait for hip because

2519
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 3: I feel like he EA's a pretty interesting guy. Heard

2520
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:54,160
Speaker 3: he owns a ton of guns. He's from Portland.

2521
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Heat's awesome, Like he's like, uh yeah, I just

2522
01:43:57,960 --> 01:43:59,040
Speaker 1: I want to know more about him.

2523
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:00,120
Speaker 3: But he's so fucking was there.

2524
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 2: Like yeah right, and so like I want to be

2525
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 2: somewhere in between that and Steve O and Steve O'shit's cool.

2526
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:07,639
Speaker 1: It's I'm not hating on Steve.

2527
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool.

2528
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 1: Just saying everyone knows every story now almost for she's

2529
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:13,680
Speaker 1: done a thousand podcasts.

2530
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 3: Is there anything man for you that you just want

2531
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 3: to kind of like like, Okay, let's say you had

2532
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 3: to kind of you know, twenty years from now, man,

2533
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 3: what do you do you what would you say you

2534
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 3: would want your legacy to be man, hey, man, just

2535
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 3: never fold.

2536
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, just yeah, it's basically it never fold. Just hope

2537
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 1: the war. I hope we're still fighting.

2538
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, not the war in God's obviously no no no,

2539
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:39,680
Speaker 3: but just the.

2540
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 2: War message to myself in twenty years. I hope that

2541
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 2: we're still on top, we're still doing our shit. I

2542
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,519
Speaker 2: hope we never compromise. I hope we never sell out.

2543
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:50,920
Speaker 2: I hope we never let somebody control us. I hope

2544
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 2: we never let a bureaucratic, corporate media establishment own a

2545
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 2: single percent in Channel five.

2546
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:59,639
Speaker 1: And I hope that the media establishment is dead and gone.

2547
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 3: I think it's happening.

2548
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it.

2549
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 3: I think slowly but surely, and you know, I think

2550
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 3: it has to. Man. I just feel like, you know,

2551
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 3: CNN and all these fucks, they're all full of shit.

2552
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 1: Bro, they're full of shit.

2553
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:16,640
Speaker 2: But the problem is, you know's maybe more full of

2554
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:19,680
Speaker 2: shit clickbait reactionary podcasters.

2555
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:20,760
Speaker 3: Oh you know what I mean.

2556
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,600
Speaker 1: So that's the thing is you're taking one swamp and

2557
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 1: you're kind of starting a new.

2558
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 3: And it's a bigger swamp that the entry level was zero,

2559
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:30,960
Speaker 3: and you can let anybody can turn a camera on. No,

2560
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:33,639
Speaker 3: for sure, it's it's fucking crazy. It's crazy.

2561
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 1: CNN has to get caught in a lie, you know

2562
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

2563
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 3: I think they've been caught in a few. I don't

2564
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:42,720
Speaker 3: understand why Rogan never sued them for the They made

2565
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 3: his skin yellow, and that whole ivermectin thing was just crazy.

2566
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 1: They made his skin yellow when they put him on TV.

2567
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 3: Yes, they live in Mexico. They made him look like

2568
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:54,639
Speaker 3: he was sick when he did his It was fucking crazy.

2569
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 1: Damn bro, that's whack.

2570
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I just they did that for real.

2571
01:45:58,080 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 1: Yes, that's unbelievable.

2572
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 3: But it's in saying and I'm like he always said,

2573
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 3: he was like, you know, I could sue him, but

2574
01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 3: I just this is not worth it. I'm like, yeah,

2575
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:07,240
Speaker 3: you could sue, sue somebody for putting a tent on

2576
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:10,040
Speaker 3: you because they were trying to make it that. I

2577
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:11,760
Speaker 3: think the whole angle of the.

2578
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Speaker 2: Story was he was sick. He's getting jaundice from ivermactin. Yeah,

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01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 2: like that's the vibe, right, Like his skin is turning yellow,

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01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 2: like he's going in septic shop.

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Speaker 3: I guess so, man, But yeah, I think I think, man,

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01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 3: you're doing good work, bro keep it up, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I look forward to seeing you guys expand with the

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01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 3: different correspondence you have all over the world. Any any

2585
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 3: areas you're looking, I would love to see, like somebody

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01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 3: maybe in Africa like.

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Speaker 1: There, I had a homegirl in the UH in the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Republic of Congo that I.

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Speaker 3: Would say Congo specifically.

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01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 1: But our policy is if you're going to cover something,

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01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:42,440
Speaker 1: you have to be from that area.

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01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 3: At least you know what I'm saying. I mean, that's

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01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 3: the thing. Though it's also dangerous, like covering those fucking

2594
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:48,840
Speaker 3: minds in Congo are crazy. Yeah.

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01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:51,360
Speaker 2: Well, if you're an African person who wants to work

2596
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:54,200
Speaker 2: for Channel five, tap it and you're not scared by

2597
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 2: emails Andrew at Channel five dot news.

2598
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 3: There it is, my guy. I appreciate you coming through.

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01:46:58,560 --> 01:46:59,320
Speaker 3: Go get the movie.

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01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 2: Dear Kelly to www dot Dear kellyfilm dot com five

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Speaker 2: dollars fifty five cents rental.

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Speaker 3: It is amazing. Buy it for fifteen dollars if you

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01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 3: want to. Yeah, support you gotta support this guy's got

2604
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 3: lawyer fees.

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01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 1: Support me. I need new ties.

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01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:11,840
Speaker 2: Shout to pop Eye, Shout out to pop Eye Man

2607
01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:15,519
Speaker 2: you know, you know loves this tie Kelly Lefty gunplay

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Speaker 2: interview coming soon.

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01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 3: Oh you interviewed Lefty? Yeah? How how off the shits

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01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 3: was he at the time he was doing He's a

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01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:22,519
Speaker 3: good friend of mine.

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01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:23,320
Speaker 1: He was doing good.

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01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he's doing Oh he's the best. Yeah,

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01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:29,280
Speaker 3: he might be the most. I mean since listen. I

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01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 3: don't want to compare him to krypt Mac because he

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01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:33,160
Speaker 3: would hate that, But since Krip Mac, I'm not sure

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01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 3: we've had a more entertaining personality hit. These internets agreed.

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01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 2: Shout out to Lefty, shout out to Bootleg keV, shout

2619
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 2: out to Phoenix, shout out to Kelly, shout out to

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Speaker 2: Bill Joyner.

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Speaker 3: I hope you dropped Bill Joying to drop the fuck

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Speaker 3: it soap bro boom my guy appreciate you rather Yeah,